^ With all due respect, not everyone has to agree with the Republicrats to be a "patriot".  Love your country, love it well.


I agree. If you're talking about political affiliation, thay may be from any party. I happen to be a Conservative, however I agree and disagree with affiliates from all parties.

I'm going to stay inside because it's frickin' nasty and windy outside. I'm watching all the leaves blowing around through my patio door. It must be gusting up to 40mph. :P

I'm going to stay inside because it's frickin' nasty and windy outside. I'm watching all the leaves blowing around through my patio door. It must be gusting up to 40mph. :P


40 MPH isn't wind.

Just send Rice to do everything.

Just send Rice to do everything.


I can't. He got out of it by going to school/work. Which means I have to pick him up later. Maybe I should just leave him at the station.

I can't. He got out of it by going to school/work. Which means I have to pick him up later. Maybe I should just leave him at the station.


How far's the station.. he dosen't have a bike?  ;D

How far's the station.. he dosen't have a bike?  ;D


About 8 miles, but you have to go on a highway and a dangerous road. Actually, all the roads around here are dangerous because people don't know how to f*cking drive. But yeah.

He has a unicycle. NOW that would be amusing to see.

About 8 miles, but you have to go on a highway and a dangerous road. Actually, all the roads around here are dangerous because people don't know how to f*cking drive. But yeah.

He has a unicycle. NOW that would be amusing to see.


Indiana is easy. I like it, higher speed limit than Ill-e-noize. Plus.. I've never..ever..ever seen a cop in Indiana. The fuzz is all over Ill-e-noize.

Indiana is easy. I like it, higher speed limit than Ill-e-noize. Plus.. I've never..ever..ever seen a cop in Indiana. The fuzz is all over Ill-e-noize.



/begin rant like my dad


YOU DON'T PRONOUNCE THE "S" IN ILLINOIS!!  THERE IS NO "S" TO PRONOUNCE!!

/end rant like my dad

/begin rant like my dad


YOU DON'T PRONOUNCE THE "S" IN ILLINOIS!!  THERE IS NO "S" TO PRONOUNCE!!

/end rant like my dad



/Ashley joins Beth's dad's rant


WHAT BETH'S DAD SAID!


/ends rant

/begin rant like my dad


YOU DON'T PRONOUNCE THE "S" IN ILLINOIS!!  THERE IS NO "S" TO PRONOUNCE!!

/end rant like my dad


/Ashley joins Beth's dad's rant


WHAT BETH'S DAD SAID!


/ends rant
What ^ & ^^ said 8)

I think I'm going to play hooky today and clean the house....

What ^ & ^^ said 8)

I think I'm going to play hooky today and clean the house....


If you're going to play hooky you should do something fun, like go shopping, or sit on the couch and watch soap operas.  Don't waste your wonderful hooky on house work!

If you're going to play hooky you should do something fun, like go shopping, or sit on the couch and watch soap operas.  Don't waste your wonderful hooky on house work!




Hey.....housework is fun!  Well......sorta.  I mean, it can be.  Okay it's a pain in the ass and no one wants to do it, but I'm doing it today too.  :)

/begin rant like my dad


YOU DON'T PRONOUNCE THE "S" IN ILLINOIS!!  THERE IS NO "S" TO PRONOUNCE!!

/end rant like my dad



/Ashley joins Beth's dad's rant


WHAT BETH'S DAD SAID!


/ends rant


What ^ & ^^ said 8)


No S.. in Ill-e-noize... I beg to differ.

No S.. in Ill-e-noize... I beg to differ.


Well beg yourself silly - you're still wrong.

I just finished cleaning off my desk.

I volunteered

I volunteered


No you didn't. I asked for help and everyone ran away.  ;D :D

No you didn't. I asked for help and everyone ran away.  ;D :D


Help for what?

Help for what?


Cleaning my desk  :)

Cleaning my desk  :)


A Lot of Clutter?

Reorganize my room.

A Lot of Clutter?



A lot of dust bunnies.  ;D

Use my computer for the rest of the night

But I do think that if a hunter kills an animal to feed his family, it is perfectly fine. 


If that were a necessesity in this day and age it'd be one thing, but its not.

Went out to lunch with Beth this afternoon, went with her as she got a new job....went over to my parent's house, and out with my mom and Beth to get her laptop for school.

sounds fun. i worked a lot...since we did everything, we will probablay get the weekend off.
yay!!!

came home from washed and sliced up some celery, carrots, & cukes to go with the ranch dip I made for tomorrows little potluck at work. I have an appt. with my dentist at 8am to get a small filling, then I'll get in to work around 11 so I won't be up too late tonight.

Mike, I was right!

First visit to the Doctor - basic antibiotics.
Second visit to the Doctor - tells me it will clear up on it's own.
Third visit to the Doctor (in an hour) - I'll be told it's gotten worse and need another course of antibiotics.

This is one month after I first started to have problems with my throat, the past 3 mornings, I've woke up at around 4am not able to breath because my throat has swelled so much. Socialised healthcare and it's finest ladies and gentlemen. Fuc.king Liberals.

Waiting for my friend to come round so we can go shopping. Thankfully the torrential rain has eased even a hardened shopper like myself was thinking 'perhaps not' seeing that weather!

Fuc.king Liberals.


They're not and maybe that's the problem!  If the LIb Dems get in things might change (but I won't hold my breath on that one)

Thanks to those birthday wishes for my daughter.  The party is tomorrow but we are going to a place in Leicester who do everything.  I just have to supply the cake.  Elizabeth is really happy because her friend Timothy will be at the party.  he's the one who had the tumour removed recently and is waiting to start chemo.  He's coming along for about half the time there.

They're not and maybe that's the problem!  If the LIb Dems get in things might change (but I won't hold my breath on that one)


I hardly think so. The private sector needs to be heavily involved, remove the red tape and encourage competition.

If that were a necessesity in this day and age it'd be one thing, but its not.


So I take it, (not trying to start an arguement here) that you've decided rather than addressing the hunting issue with facts, you'll just resort to name calling and ignore the real issue??

That tells me one of two things....you either live in some sort of metro suburbia area and are having your young mind polluted and are not getting both sides of the story so you can realize there are 2 sides to the story, or

since there have been a few people in addition to myself on this thread that agree with the principal of hunting, regardless of whether or not they personally hunt, you have not yet learned the ability to admit when you are wrong.

Your commment above about necessity alone proves that you've probably never left the safe warm confines of your little metro area.  I'm sure that you have great parents who have provided everything for you.  Once you grow up some and get out in the real world on your own, you'll discover if you travel to other areas of this country, that there are places where people need to harvest those animals in order to provide.  Not every area of the country has, or can live by your "Alice in Wonderland" ideology.

Personally, I do not need to hunt in order to provide for my family as I am a very successful contractor and make plenty of money to never have to raise a finger or go anywhere except the grocery store for food.  However, I believe in conservation far more strongly than I can only guess you ever will, due in part to your foolish attitude toward hunting.  I practice conservation in almost every aspect of what I do in nature.

I harvest the animals that need to be harvested, thats already been specified.  When I clear trees, I do it both for firewood and to promote growth of remaining trees by thinning out and allowing the correct distance between remaining trees.  For every tree I cut down, and this includes those annoying little saplings that choke a forest rapidly if allowed to remain and grow, I plant 2 trees in it's place.

What have you done for the environment today to promote good conservation practices??

So I take it, (not trying to start an arguement here) that you've decided rather than addressing the hunting issue with facts, you'll just resort to name calling and ignore the real issue??

That tells me one of two things....you either live in some sort of metro suburbia area and are having your young mind polluted and are not getting both sides of the story so you can realize there are 2 sides to the story, or

since there have been a few people in addition to myself on this thread that agree with the principal of hunting, regardless of whether or not they personally hunt, you have not yet learned the ability to admit when you are wrong.

Your commment above about necessity alone proves that you've probably never left the safe warm confines of your little metro area.  I'm sure that you have great parents who have provided everything for you.  Once you grow up some and get out in the real world on your own, you'll discover if you travel to other areas of this country, that there are places where people need to harvest those animals in order to provide.  Not every area of the country has, or can live by your "Alice in Wonderland" ideology.

Personally, I do not need to hunt in order to provide for my family as I am a very successful contractor and make plenty of money to never have to raise a finger or go anywhere except the grocery store for food.  However, I believe in conservation far more strongly than I can only guess you ever will, due in part to your foolish attitude toward hunting.  I practice conservation in almost every aspect of what I do in nature.

I harvest the animals that need to be harvested, thats already been specified.  When I clear trees, I do it both for firewood and to promote growth of remaining trees by thinning out and allowing the correct distance between remaining trees.  For every tree I cut down, and this includes those annoying little saplings that choke a forest rapidly if allowed to remain and grow, I plant 2 trees in it's place.

What have you done for the environment today to promote good conservation practices??
I bet he doesn't like fishing either, but would have no qualms about sitting down to a nice fish dinner......

I bet he doesn't like fishing either, but would have no qualms about sitting down to a nice fish dinner......


that's what I don't understand about people. I mean, if you are this big vegetarian and refuse to NEVER eat meat, etc...than I can see your point in arguing about this...however, if your meals daily consist of meat that someone inevitably had to kill in order for it to end up on your plate....how can one complain so much? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? ???

So like I said, I urge everyone to check out this site ---> http://www.forgotten-ny.com    I found this after searching around this one site that Carol (lorac) posted in the "Show Us What Your Hometown Looks Like" thread. 


It is a great site.  New York is incredible, it's not all tall buildings and traffic!



Anywhoozles  ;),  today I'm going to pick up the new valances for my son's room, clean, pick my daughter up from school,  figure out what to fix for dinner and maybe after the kiddos go to sleep I'll wrap some X-mas presents.

that's what I don't understand about people. I mean, if you are this big vegetarian and refuse to NEVER eat meat, etc...than I can see your point in arguing about this...however, if your meals daily consist of meat that someone inevitably had to kill in order for it to end up on your plate....how can one complain so much? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? ???



It's hunting for sport, as opposed to hunting in order to survive.  I find what happens in slaughterhouses to be as disgusting as hunting for SPORT.

that's what I don't understand about people. I mean, if you are this big vegetarian and refuse to NEVER eat meat, etc...than I can see your point in arguing about this...however, if your meals daily consist of meat that someone inevitably had to kill in order for it to end up on your plate....how can one complain so much? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? ???


The meat on your plate almost certainly wasn't shot through the head either.

Let me ask you this. If you were given the option of being shot through the head or forced through a grinder, which would you go for?

The meat on your plate almost certainly wasn't shot through the head either.

Let me ask you this. If you were given the option of being shot through the head or forced through a grinder, which would you go for?



shot in the head, most definitely.  It's a much more humane way.  The animals in the slaughterhouses have to go through torture, while hunted ones, normally don't. ;)

Years ago when my husband and I were first married, we we so completely broke that we were lucky if we had gas for our car (and sometimes I even paid in rolls of pennies), my mother would even send care packages with canned goods to help us out.  Going to the grocery store was horrible, I would have to pick the most needed items.  If it hadn't been for my husband killing a deer or a turkey or catching fish we would not have had any meat. 

These days, we can afford what we want but my husband still hunts and goes fishing.  We eat most of what is killed or caught.  If we don't eat it, we give it to someone who does. 

I went hunting once, I will never go again.  Not my thing but I'm not against it as long as it is done legally and the meat is used and not wasted.  I think poachers should be arrested and those big game ranches (where they set up hunting trips) are wrong.

Years ago when my husband and I were first married, we we so completely broke that we were lucky if we had gas for our car (and sometimes I even paid in rolls of pennies), my mother would even send care packages with canned goods to help us out.  Going to the grocery store was horrible, I would have to pick the most needed items.  If it hadn't been for my husband killing a deer or a turkey or catching fish we would not have had any meat. 

These days, we can afford what we want but my husband still hunts and goes fishing.  We eat most of what is killed or caught.  If we don't eat it, we give it to someone who does. 

I went hunting once, I will never go again.  Not my thing but I'm not against it as long as it is done legally and the meat is used and not wasted.  I think poachers should be arrested and those big game ranches (where they set up hunting trips) are wrong.


Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.

I think a lot of people are missing the point on this.

1. The people who are advocating hunting aren't doing it for sport, they're either doing it to control the population of animals that has grown too big or they want unprocessed fresh meat....except for Davey, I think he's just sadistic. ;D

2. Hunting has been a part of life for thousands and thousands of years. You're not going to change the mentality of man just by protesting that it's "wrong" or "inhumane" or by CALLING PEOPLE NAMES.

3. Why the hell are we still talking about hunting? :D

except for Davey, I think he's just sadistic. ;D


I never said I was hunting deer.. or other animals.. just big game. MUHAHAHA!  ;D

Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.

I think a lot of people are missing the point on this.

1. The people who are advocating hunting aren't doing it for sport, they're either doing it to control the population of animals that has grown too big or they want unprocessed fresh meat....except for Davey, I think he's just sadistic. ;D

2. Hunting has been a part of life for thousands and thousands of years. You're not going to change the mentality of man just by protesting that it's "wrong" or "inhumane" or by CALLING PEOPLE NAMES.

3. Why the hell are we still talking about hunting? :D


I don't have anything against hunting, just hunting for fun. If you don't plan to eat it, then why kill it!?

I never said I was hunting deer.. or other animals.. just big game. MUHAHAHA!  ;D


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I don't have anything against hunting, just hunting for fun. If you don't plan to eat it, then why kill it!?


Some people do it to control the overpopulation. I think that's been touched on before. Even then, I'm sure the meat is eaten. Unless you're talking about hunting for sport and mounting deerheads on the walls. Does anyone know how common that is nowadays? ???

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Some people do it to control the overpopulation. I think that's been touched on before. Even then, I'm sure the meat is eaten. Unless you're talking about hunting for sport and mounting deerheads on the walls. Does anyone know how common that is nowadays? ???


I don't know, I'm fine with it as long as you're eating it. I mean... Humans are overpopulating Earth, and nobody's hunting them.

I don't know, I'm fine with it as long as you're eating it. I mean... Humans are overpopulating Earth, and nobody's hunting them.


You sure about that? http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/09/shotgun.gif

You sure about that? http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/09/shotgun.gif


That's just creepy.

That's just creepy.


It's true though. Don't you remember that movie Surviving the Game?

It could happen! And it probably is.

It's true though. Don't you remember that movie Surviving the Game?

It could happen! And it probably is.


Nu... Nu I don't, BUT! There is that story "The Dangerous Game".

I mean... Humans are overpopulating Earth, and nobody's hunting them.


That's the fault of Liberals. They're all "Noooo, you can't hunt people, you must love your brother man." I'm all about the human hunt. Think about it, people are always complaining about being hungry and poor.. there's a solution.

Actually you may want ot blame that on conservatives too.  But then again if it wasn't for them you would have less game. :-\\

Volunteered at my hospital

 
Some people do it to control the overpopulation. I think that's been touched on before. Even then, I'm sure the meat is eaten. Unless you're talking about hunting for sport and mounting deerheads on the walls. Does anyone know how common that is nowadays? ???


Jessica, absolutely right!  Even in circumstances where there is no motivation for the harvesting of deer EXCEPT to reduce the population(usually in metro areas where car deer accidents are far too common), the meat is processed by licensed facilities and is given to the needy or as I stated in an earlier post, many hunters donate their animal of harvest to battered womens shelters, soup kitchens, local Churches, etc.

To listen to "the dude" you'd be inclined to think that all of us hunters are nothing more, as he put it, savages who kill for fun, leave the animals to rot in the woods and then go kill some more.  I have no idea what his reasoning(or lack of it) is prompted by, but it's painfully obvious he doesn't have one fact to bring to the table here.  Hunters (not poachers, as they are a lowlife class all of their own) are generally the most ethical conservationists you'll ever meet.  Our license fees go back into wildlife programs, making the environment a healthier place for all wildlife, so that both human and animals benefit.  It promotes education about the environment as well and creates new generations of ethical sportsmen and women. 

I can state that I have no heads on my walls, and I have never gone hunting solely for the purpose of taking a "trophy" animal.  I do however, have the right in NYS to get as many as 5 permits to harvest deer every year, and I do that and willl continue to do so.  20 years ago, in NYS you were allowed one deer, and could consider yourself lucky if you managed to harvest one.  Now,  due to overpopulation, (many reasons for this), including mild winters, lack of understanding of the environment by a bigger majority of adults (one of which has posted on here), lack of predators in the deers natural environment, we have way too many.  In some ways, the billions of dollars of damage the natural deer herd is causing is as bad if not worse than some of the man made ecological disasters we continually bring upon ourselves.

Besides, venison to myself and many others is far better tasting than beef, so there is another reason to harvest these magnificent animals.  I'll tell you a story about "game feeds" some day when we approach that topic......

Thanks to all of you on here who have posted and have been open minded, regardless of whether or not you yourself enjoy hunting!!

stay in for the rest of the night

Tomorrow we are heading north and have brunch with my step-daughter to celebrate her birthday (which is on Sunday). Then we are going to see a Beatles tribute band. Should be fun.




Cat

Jessica, absolutely right!  Even in circumstances where there is no motivation for the harvesting of deer EXCEPT to reduce the population(usually in metro areas where car deer accidents are far too common), the meat is processed by licensed facilities and is given to the needy or as I stated in an earlier post, many hunters donate their animal of harvest to battered womens shelters, soup kitchens, local Churches, etc.

To listen to "the dude" you'd be inclined to think that all of us hunters are nothing more, as he put it, savages who kill for fun, leave the animals to rot in the woods and then go kill some more.  I have no idea what his reasoning(or lack of it) is prompted by, but it's painfully obvious he doesn't have one fact to bring to the table here.  Hunters (not poachers, as they are a lowlife class all of their own) are generally the most ethical conservationists you'll ever meet.  Our license fees go back into wildlife programs, making the environment a healthier place for all wildlife, so that both human and animals benefit.  It promotes education about the environment as well and creates new generations of ethical sportsmen and women. 

I can state that I have no heads on my walls, and I have never gone hunting solely for the purpose of taking a "trophy" animal.  I do however, have the right in NYS to get as many as 5 permits to harvest deer every year, and I do that and willl continue to do so.  20 years ago, in NYS you were allowed one deer, and could consider yourself lucky if you managed to harvest one.  Now,  due to overpopulation, (many reasons for this), including mild winters, lack of understanding of the environment by a bigger majority of adults (one of which has posted on here), lack of predators in the deers natural environment, we have way too many.  In some ways, the billions of dollars of damage the natural deer herd is causing is as bad if not worse than some of the man made ecological disasters we continually bring upon ourselves.

Besides, venison to myself and many others is far better tasting than beef, so there is another reason to harvest these magnificent animals.  I'll tell you a story about "game feeds" some day when we approach that topic......

Thanks to all of you on here who have posted and have been open minded, regardless of whether or not you yourself enjoy hunting!!


I'm sorry for not being open-minded about sadism.

Its not necessary to hunt in order to eat these days. Therefore any hunting is purely for sport, whether or not you eat the meat.

Laugh hysterically at all the insanity! :D

Today I've stayed at home all day, doing nothing eventful. I was feeling crummy this afternoon so I rested...not because the server was slower than molasses eight hours ago, but because I may have been stressed over other things this week.

Tomorrow we are heading north and have brunch with my step-daughter to celebrate her birthday (which is on Sunday). Then we are going to see a Beatles tribute band. Should be fun.




Cat
what a treat, which tribute band is this. I've seen Rain & they're excellent.  Those Beatles shows are good & the 2 shows I've seen covered the music spanning most of the Beatles careers.  have fun Cat

Tomorrow we are heading north and have brunch with my step-daughter to celebrate her birthday (which is on Sunday). Then we are going to see a Beatles tribute band. Should be fun.




Cat

I certainly hope it is fun. :)

Actually you may want ot blame that on conservatives too.  But then again if it wasn't for them you would have less game. :-\\


Vive la Regan Revolution!

Going for a walk, pay a few bills at the Post Office, buy food for the day and home!!!

I *MUST* pay the electric bill today or else on Monday we won't have any...  :\'(

My walk did not last long for there is a nasty cold nip in the air.

I'm sorry for not being open-minded about sadism.




Always keep that thought in mind as you eat your hamburger.

I'm glad in this day and age there are still children out there that prove the adage about "Children should be seen and not heard"

Just got in from work, I left the fridge defrosting so I'm relieved I didn't come home to a lake of water on the floor! I'm off food shopping shortly and then it's either tackle my wardrobe and sort it out or watch a DVD.................I wonder which one will win!!  ;D

...Christmas shopping... today, it begins in earnest!  :D

...Christmas shopping... today, it begins in earnest!  :D
Good Luck!  I went yesterday and got a fair few presents, I always feel better when I've got the bulk of it out of the way!

Always keep that thought in mind as you eat your hamburger.


I'm sorry you can't understand my point.

I've said from the beginning its unfortunate how we have to rely on animals for food, and my point is going out and hunting is just killing more of them than necessary for this purpose. There is plenty of beef, poultry, fish etc. available in supermarkets already. Why do you think its right to cause even more death than there is already?



I'm glad in this day and age there are still children out there that prove the adage about "Children should be seen and not heard"


You're gonna play the age card on me? Get bent! My father is 58 years old and my uncle is 54, both most likely older than you, and they feel the same way about hunting and hunters.

Also go ahead and call me a child however I am a high school graduate and have a full-time job.

Rake leaves with my dad......go shopping with my sister.

Need to go get stuff for Thanksgiving.

I'm sorry you can't understand my point.

I've said from the beginning its unfortunate how we have to rely on animals for food, and my point is going out and hunting is just killing more of them than necessary for this purpose. There is plenty of beef, poultry, fish etc. available in supermarkets already. Why do you think its right to cause even more death than there is already?





Hunters who provide for their families don't kill more than necessary, they only kill what they are going to use now or in the near future. 

And do you have any idea how much of the meat that is available at the grocery store goes to waste? 

Yeah, there is plenty of beef, poultry and fish in the stores, but if more people had to provide their own food then maybe we could end some of this...


http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/wi_veal09.jpg

http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/chicken1.jpg

http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/pigs15.jpg

Anyway, I know I'll never change your mind about hunting. 

I'm aware of the horrors of slaughterhouses and such. I think its wrong(they should find more humane ways to do it even if it costs them more $$), just like hunting.

Well, the raking with my dad has been cancelled.  He's going down to a friend's house to watch the Michigan/OSU game.  So.....I'll be raking by myself today, but it's all good.......it is GORGEOUS outside.  A good day to go get some color in your cheeks. 

Color in your cheeks, what an unusual expression.

Went to Kohl's and got a pair of Lee Black Jeans for $19.99

Color in your cheeks, what an unusual expression.
In the U.K it's a very common expression.

In the U.K it's a very common expression.



My mom uses it a lot.  I was always a rosy-cheeked baby (and I still am) and whenever I've been outside working or something, she always tells me I have roses in my cheeks.  That's how my mom could tell when I was sick....if I had no color in my cheeks, she'd know to take me to the doctor. 

If I was hanging around indoors too much I would be told to go out and get some colour in my cheeks!

I'm sorry you can't understand my point.

I've said from the beginning its unfortunate how we have to rely on animals for food, and my point is going out and hunting is just killing more of them than necessary for this purpose. There is plenty of beef, poultry, fish etc. available in supermarkets already. Why do you think its right to cause even more death than there is already?

You're gonna play the age card on me? Get bent! My father is 58 years old and my uncle is 54, both most likely older than you, and they feel the same way about hunting and hunters.


Well, when the day comes when you become a vegetarian in every meaning of the word, then you can speak out against the death of animals.  Since you have a choice in what you eat, and still continue to eat red meat, and I'm also assuming poultry and fish, then your whole basis for arguement is invalid.

Apparently then, the lack of concern for nature and wildlife runs in your family, since you claim your Dad and uncle both have the same feelings for persons who do their part to ensure that wildlife doesn't suffer needlessly.

Just as a final thought, if, as you claim you are aware of the horrors of slaughterhouses and still continue to eat meat, giving slaughterhouses a reason to exist, what exactly does that make you?? 

Can we stop this stupid pissing match already?  Damn.  Neither side is going to change their minds so let it go.

I was going to rake, but it's too much work to do by myself, unfortunately.

I was going to rake, but it's too much work to do by myself, unfortunately.
I may rake leaves later, or perhaps tomorrow

Can we stop this stupid pissing match already?  Damn.  Neither side is going to change their minds so let it go.


What's happening?

What's happening?



Can't you tell?  It's two different people bickering about hunting, and neither side is changing their opinions.

Can't you tell?  It's two different people bickering about hunting, and neither side is changing their opinions.


Now that's stupid! ::)

Kicking back with a bottle of London Pride beer, watching Cadfael. 

Can't you tell?  It's two different people bickering about hunting, and neither side is changing their opinions.


Actually, it's NOT about hunting.  It's more about conservation practices, damage reaching into the billions of dollars in nature, excessive automobile insurance costs, starvation of an overpopulated species, disease, and most of all hypocrisy.

The topic of this is using hunting as a means of conveyance, but it goes far beyond the act of hunting itself.  Individuals who choose to keep it a hunting topic by calling it savage, stupid, foolish, etc, are ignoring the real problem. 

The only real problem I have with The Dude is the fact he resorts to name calling rather than challenge anything I've stated with fact, when he indeed is a meat eater himself.  Thats hypocritical.

Actually, it's NOT about hunting.  It's more about conservation practices, damage reaching into the billions of dollars in nature, excessive automobile insurance costs, starvation of an overpopulated species, disease, and most of all hypocrisy.

The topic of this is using hunting as a means of conveyance, but it goes far beyond the act of hunting itself.  Individuals who choose to keep it a hunting topic by calling it savage, stupid, foolish, etc, are ignoring the real problem. 

The only real problem I have with The Dude is the fact he resorts to name calling rather than challenge anything I've stated with fact, when he indeed is a meat eater himself.  Thats hypocritical.



Just let it drop.  Who cares anymore?!

Actually, it's NOT about hunting.  It's more about conservation practices, damage reaching into the billions of dollars in nature, excessive automobile insurance costs, starvation of an overpopulated species, disease, and most of all hypocrisy.

The topic of this is using hunting as a means of conveyance, but it goes far beyond the act of hunting itself.  Individuals who choose to keep it a hunting topic by calling it savage, stupid, foolish, etc, are ignoring the real problem. 

The only real problem I have with The Dude is the fact he resorts to name calling rather than challenge anything I've stated with fact, when he indeed is a meat eater himself.  Thats hypocritical.
so what did you or are you gonna do today esoxslayer?  :)

God bless you, Mike.

God bless you, Mike.
thanks, I specialize in diffusing volatile situations , but I really was seriously asking him. plus if nally comes on here and sees the off topic posts, they'd really be in for it.  ;D

thanks, I specialize in diffusing volatile situations , but I really was seriously asking him. plus if nally comes on here and sees the off topic posts, they'd really be in for it.  ;D
Send him to the christmas thread he'll explode!  ;D

thanks, I specialize in diffusing volatile situations , but I really was seriously asking him. plus if nally comes on here and sees the off topic posts, they'd really be in for it.  ;D



LOL!

Send him to the christmas thread he'll explode!  ;D



LOL x2!

Send him to the christmas thread he'll explode!  ;D
  http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/05/grenade.gif

so what did you or are you gonna do today esoxslayer?  :)


Actually I cleared another acre of trees today, got it all bucked and stacked and cleared the saplings plus about 100 yards of trail through the woods.

I have 100 hardwood saplings ordered and will be making preparations this next week to get them planted before the first freeze.

With another stress on the boards, I am wondering what is on television tonight.

With another stress on the boards, I am wondering what is on television tonight.
;D  I'm watching Cadfael personally.

So the point is to clear the trees so that they're spaced farther apart and have more room to grow, right?

Where do the new trees get planted?


What I'm doing is cutting down any "junk" trees, and any that have been either windstorm or ice storm damaged.  According to the local timber experts up here, trees (hardwoods) need approximately 13 feet between them in order to get enough sunlight to grow strong and straight.  I have some major overgrown hickory trees, but also a lot of maple and oaks.

Firewood is in high demand up here, so not only do I serve to line my pockets with some cash for a fuel source, I promote conservation by eliminating old garbage trees that would otherwise rot and die and replace them with new trees.  On the cycle I have the woodlot on, I'll have a harvestable (for lumber) growth of trees every 20 years.

The new trees get planted in a field near my woodlot and also to fill in the excess spaces created by removing the damaged trees.  As a side note, the "tops" of the trees I cut down provide a nice little shelter for deer and other wildlife in the winter.  I stack them in large long piles and they knock the wind down providing some relief in what can be an otherwise brutal winter....

Where is it you are based?

That is very woodsmanly of you sir :)  I didn't know all this eco stuff but it sounds very interesting and also seems a good workout.

Where is it you are based?


If that question was directed to me, I live in upstate NY, about 10 minutes from the Canadian border...

If that question was directed to me, I live in upstate NY, about 10 minutes from the Canadian border...
It was yes, I used to work with a guy who did a similar job in Canada.

Today my mom & dad, Chris, Vaughn, and I went to the Holiday parade....it was a really nice one, about 2 hours long.  Now we are just relaxing around the house, it's warm in here...and cold outside. :)

That is very woodsmanly of you sir :)  I didn't know all this eco stuff but it sounds very interesting and also seems a good workout.


Thanks!!  I'm not a big advocate of cutting down hardwoods and replacing them with soft wood trees...I like to replace with the same thing I've taken down, with the exception of hickories, beechs and birch trees.

Beech trees will flourish in almost any condition up here, they are the majority of the saplings I remove daily, usually numbering in the hundreds....

;D  I'm watching Cadfael personally.
Later tonight Perfomance is on, made in the early 70s, stars Mick Jagger and James Fox, and was shot around the area where I now live.

Actually I cleared another acre of trees today, got it all bucked and stacked and cleared the saplings plus about 100 yards of trail through the woods.

I have 100 hardwood saplings ordered and will be making preparations this next week to get them planted before the first freeze.
that's a lot of work. I've done some of that when i was younger, but back then we were lucky to get $35 a cord  for either oak or almond. I prefer almond for firewood because the fire colors are quite striking and when seasoned right, it burns very nicely and easily, however my fireplace isn't too big so we just throw in a duraflame and while it doesn't heat as well as firewood, it provides some warmth & comfort. It sounds like a wide variety of trees on your area. i've got three birch trees, and a couple of maple in my backyard that are beautiful and dropping a million leaves for me to pick up.

I am working on a list of hubby's Star Trek novel collection (they number in the hundreds and I've just begun)

that's a lot of work. I've done some of that when i was younger, but back then we were lucky to get $35 a cord  for either oak or almond. I prefer almond for firewood because the fire colors are quite striking and when seasoned right, it burns very nicely and easily, however my fireplace isn't too big so we just throw in a duraflame and while it doesn't heat as well as firewood, it provides some warmth & comfort. It sounds like a wide variety of trees on your area. i've got three birch trees, and a couple of maple in my backyard that are beautiful and dropping a million leaves for me to pick up.


Have never burned almond, but I know metro dwellers prefer birch because of the flame colors, and ironwood (actually classified as a weed) because of the flame colors as well.  Hickory will burn with a blue flame as opposed to yellow/orange, and has a remarkable capability of being burned green...you can cut it today and burn it tonight if you desire...if you ever get a batch of hickory to burn, be forewarned on this stuff.  It burns extremely hot and "damping down" the fire when it starts appearing to be too hot will be futile...

Right now it's going for 50 a face cord picked up here and 55 delivered.

Have seen it advertised in the papers for as much as 65 a cord, but to me thats too much...

Apparently then, the lack of concern for nature and wildlife runs in your family, since you claim your Dad and uncle both have the same feelings for persons who do their part to ensure that wildlife doesn't suffer needlessly. 


Thats such B.S., its just an excuse.

I have been busy for a good part of the day, so I haven't been able to come here until just now.

In the morning I had to go out shopping for gifts for my mom's birthday; and then in the afternoon we did some cleaning around the house. Also I mowed the lawn in the backyard; it had been a couple weeks since that got done.

Later on I might work on the final draft of my paper.

Thats such B.S., its just an excuse.



Tell ya what Dude..how about we start a thread over in the politics section and then we don't bother these people on here who don't want to read about the ethics of hunting??

Ya got what it takes??  Or is your resume on this subject limited to name calling and no facts??

Ya got what it takes??  Or is your resume on this subject limited to name calling and no facts??


Its not about facts, its about ethics. I just don't understand how you can see it as good to kill them, at least out in the wild they have a chance at survival. You shoot them, they're definitely not going to be surving. :D

Its not about facts, its about ethics. I just don't understand how you can see it as good to kill them, at least out in the wild they have a chance at survival. You shoot them, they're definitely not going to be surving. :D


Thats not what I asked you...I asked if you were willing to go and start a seperate thread so we don't bother other members on here....

Its not about facts, its about ethics. I just don't understand how you can see it as good to kill them, at least out in the wild they have a chance at survival. You shoot them, they're definitely not going to be surving. :D


Ethics are subjective.  The fact is, as has been pointed out before (sigh) that without direct human intervention, the cute cuddly deer overpopulate and starve and die, which unfortunately (sigh) you've decided to ignore.  So sad.

My son is watching Blue's Clues on my Xbox 360 which I didn't have to wait 3 freezing days in line for :D

Thats not what I asked you...I asked if you were willing to go and start a seperate thread so we don't bother other members on here....


I think I've said all I need to say on the subject.


Ethics are subjective.  The fact is, as has been pointed out before (sigh) that without direct human intervention, the cute cuddly deer overpopulate and starve and die, which unfortunately (sigh) you've decided to ignore.  So sad.



They definitely won't survive if someone shoots them.

we had a small 2.3 earthquake here about 40minutes ago. felt like something large bumbed against the house. we get used to them and that's just a baby one. I'm sittin here at the computer listebing to Diane & Julie cheering and screaming as they watch to Cal/USC game. noisy women bug me.

Stupid Cal...they're gonna have to punt again.

Stupid Cal...they're gonna have to punt again.
damn cheater referees took a touchdown away from them on a fumble recovery they said was an incomplete pass. those bastards.  :o (is damn &  bastards profanity?) Tam's gonna probably have to have a talk w/me  :-[

Edit yourself ;)

Cal might have dodged a bullet, they are forcing USC to kick FG.

Edit yourself ;)
I think Tam's post on profanity actually also said that editing/manipulating swears and cusses with marks instead of letters wasn't acceptable either.

(is damn &  bastards profanity?)

Apparently not...those words are not autocensored. (But one of them used to be.)

Don't use hashmarks, use synonyms...i.e. "punks" and "darn" :D

Cal is playing fine, they just keep doing stupid stuff.  That's why they lost the AZ game...grrr.
commentators are biased towards nallys side of the state  >:(  and probably don't want Cal in the Rose Bowl so that's probably why they showed clips Cal losing last week.  hold the phone Chuck!!!!!  TOUCHDOWN CAL!!!!!!!!



Apparently not...those words are not autocensored. (But one of them used to be.)
I use them too much, maybe I need to clean up and censor myself a little better.

Hail to California, alma mater dear...

We went to run a few errands tonight, and rented a movie, "Little Man", which Chris and I are gonna watch in about an hour.

We went to run a few errands tonight, and rented a movie, "Little Man", which Chris and I are gonna watch in about an hour.


We rented "Nacho Libre" and "An American Haunting". We also bought "The DaVinci Code".

But right now I'm running back and forth cleaning up stuff and drinking whisky and listening to my friend's radio show.

Hail to California, alma mater dear...
Roll On You Bears........... That is my wifes alma mater and where she currently works UC BERK, the city of berkeley is a unique place

I tried to stay on campus most of the time, not a big fan of Berkeley the city, but Berkeley the university was awesome ;)

We rented "Nacho Libre" and "An American Haunting". We also bought "The DaVinci Code".

But right now I'm running back and forth cleaning up stuff and drinking whisky and listening to my friend's radio show.



I saw, "Nacho Libre"...it was ok, but not one of my favorites from Jack Black (nothing beats School of Rock, IMO ;)), I tried to rent, "The DaVinci Code" tonight, but they were all out of it.

I tried to stay on campus most of the time, not a big fan of Berkeley the city, but Berkeley the university was awesome ;)
yeah, Berzerkely is different, especially Telegraph av, but speaking of Telegraph av I got 2 word for you that should bring back memories.  Blondie's Pizza

Blondie's Pizza


Blondie's is the roxxorz!!1!1!1!holycraplookatallthatgrease!!1!1  :D :D :D

Fat Slice was pretty good too.  I miss IB's Hoagies as well.

I saw, "Nacho Libre"...it was ok, but not one of my favorites from Jack Black (nothing beats School of Rock, IMO ;)), I tried to rent, "The DaVinci Code" tonight, but they were all out of it.


Yeah, we were going to rent it, but it was out. So I just bought it. I figured that I loved the book, so the movie should be good....except for Tom Hanks' godawful mullet 'do going on. ;D

Yeah, we were going to rent it, but it was out. So I just bought it. I figured that I loved the book, so the movie should be good....except for Tom Hanks' godawful mullet 'do going on. ;D



oh ya, what the heck WAS up with that 'do of his? ;D :D

Blondie's is the roxxorz!!1!1!1!holycraplookatallthatgrease!!1!1  :D :D :D

Fat Slice was pretty good too.  I miss IB's Hoagies as well.
IB's is great, and we went to Kip's a few times. I need me a big slice of Blondies pepperoni pizza. I need to make a run to Berkeley tomorrow  ;D

It's an Oscar winning mullet.

"...and the Academy Award winner for Best Mullet is...Tom Hanks!"

I got the Christmas tree up and the lights on, I don't know what happened to the garland and christmas bulbs (maybe the tree ate them sometime during the year).  I guess I'll have to go buy some more, although it's kinda pretty with just the strings of lights on it.

In the process of drying my second load of laundry.  The dryer in our apartment complex sucks big time.  I had to dry it for 2 hours to finally get it done.  Just put another load in the dryer.  The rules say that you are supposed to have all laundry done by 10 p.m. but I can't help it if their dryer doesn't work.  ::)  I might just run them to a laundromat later to dry them.  I don't want to be up all night drying clothes.  I still have two loads to dry which obvisously aren't gonna dry by 10 p.m.  Oh well.

gotta go, Diane wants to type something, geez, it's probably just some college application stuff for Julie. Can't it wait until I'm finished  ;D  see ya guys.

I got the Christmas tree up and the lights on, I don't know what happened to the garland and christmas bulbs (maybe the tree ate them sometime during the year).  I guess I'll have to go buy some more, although it's kinda pretty with just the strings of lights on it.





we are getting our decorations down from the attic at the end of next week...then we will have fun decorating too! :)

My sister and I played the new Pop Culture Trivial Pursuit that uses the DVD.....so much fun.

My sister and I played the new Pop Culture Trivial Pursuit that uses the DVD.....so much fun.
I wanna play. I bet it is fun.  :)

I wanna play. I bet it is fun.  :)



You can play one of two ways; use the cards like you would on the other versions, or play using the DVD. 

You can play one of two ways; use the cards like you would on the other versions, or play using the DVD. 
DVD,  DVD!!!!  did you win?

DVD,  DVD!!!!  did you win?



Of course.  :)  But I only beat my sister by 1 category. 

Of course.  :)  But I only beat my sister by 1 category. 
do you guys have the  Scene It game too? I've played that with friends and we played as couples. Lady Di & I kicked butt.

do you guys have the  Scene It game too? I've played that with friends and we played as couples. Lady Di & I kicked butt.



We have Scene-It on our Comcast On-Demand.  We play that quite a bit, but I want to buy the Sports version so I can really kick her ass.

We have Scene-It on our Comcast On-Demand.  We play that quite a bit, but I want to buy the Sports version so I can really kick her ass.



oh, my husband wants that sports edition...sadly, he would always win...he's the only one that knows everything about every sport! :D ;D

We have Scene-It on our Comcast On-Demand.  We play that quite a bit, but I want to buy the Sports version so I can really kick her ass.
I'm sure she'd love to give you that opportunity......not!!!  my friend has the movie version only.

It's a beautiful sunny day here but I have to stay inside and do some chores. Even now I hear the dishes calling my name. *SIGH*

Just been watching Countryfile on tv. I am tempted for a walk but my back says no!

Maybe to the Museum of Science, then across the street to one of our larger antique collectives that is going out of business(damn that Ebay, loveit hateit)

Nothing going on today.

I woke up early and cleaned up after the kids, and now I am ripping some of my sister's Christmas CD's so I can have them on my MP3 player.  Later we're going to my dad's house for dinner.  We always have Sunday dinner with the family. 

btw, the sleepover was a hoot.  We had 4 of the kids here until 4:00 yesterday, so we just played games and stuff all day.  It was so great.  I want to start doing it more often.  :)

do you guys have the  Scene It game too? I've played that with friends and we played as couples. Lady Di & I kicked butt.


I LOVE both Trivial Pursuit and Scene it.  I am a trivia junkie.  My husband says I am overflowing with useless information.  We bought the Scene It Music about a month ago, and then last week we got the Movies and TV add-ons.  They're great!

I wish I had something to do or somewhere to go.

-Lex

I visitied with my mom yesterday and am going to later work on a kitchen remodel with my boyfriend in the next hour. I need to get in the shower now..

what a treat, which tribute band is this. I've seen Rain & they're excellent.  Those Beatles shows are good & the 2 shows I've seen covered the music spanning most of the Beatles careers.  have fun Cat



I certainly hope it is fun. :)



They were called 1964 and they were pretty good. Played the Beatles earlier stuff. Not only did they sound like the Fab Four, but they looked like them, too. And yeah, we had fun.



Cat

;D  I'm watching Cadfael personally.



Ooh, which one(s)? We have all of them on DVD plus all the books, too. (The books are so much better then the show but Derek Jacoby and the rest of the cast were excellent).




Cat

Well then, today I've not really done much of anything apart from watch movies and feel sorry for myself.  ;D

Yesterday however was a looong busy day, which is why I think is a big contributing factor as to why I feel so crappy today.
It was the wedding of two of my best friends.. a great day, I took a shed load of drugs (nothing illegal) and tried my best to feel good. Me and my bro played a set at the grooms request, 7 songs in all, even with tonsilitis I don't think I sounded too bad.

Because I was part of the wedding party I had my drinks paid for me... big mistake.. to avoid feeling even worse today I just suck to the Guinness all night, but I put away about 15 pints in all.. and.. probably half a bottle of champagne. Still, it was medicinal.  ;D

Beautiful wedding but by the end I was very grouchy.. got to sleep around 3 and woke up at about 5.  :( I've not worked for almost a week due to a combination of bad weather and a small amount of work to do.. now I have this. It's a good thing I own part of the company or I'd be going down to the shelter for my soup.  ;D

They were called 1964 and they were pretty good. Played the Beatles earlier stuff. Not only did they sound like the Fab Four, but they looked like them, too. And yeah, we had fun.



Cat


Girl, I LOVE 1964!  My in-laws have seen them every year since forever, and I've been twice.  They're fabulous!

Getting high stress levels from the server

Ooh, which one(s)? We have all of them on DVD plus all the books, too. (The books are so much better then the show but Derek Jacoby and the rest of the cast were excellent).




Cat
Virgin in the ice.. I have the boxed set on dvd, most of the books and a few on audio tape as well !

Now I'm listing stuff on Ebay and watching the House of Eliott.

Virgin in the ice.. I have the boxed set on dvd, most of the books and a few on audio tape as well !

Now I'm listing stuff on Ebay and watching the House of Eliott.



That's one of my favorites-even though they didn't have my favorite Hugh. I like the first Hugh they had (from One Corpse Too Many). Any idea why they had 3 different Hughs?




Cat

Getting high stress levels from the server


Same here.. all day.. and on a Sunday. The server seems to be suffering more and more.

That's one of my favorites-even though they didn't have my favorite Hugh. I like the first Hugh they had (from One Corpse Too Many). Any idea why they had 3 different Hughs?




Cat
Funny he's my favourite Hugh *swoon*  ;D
Granted Sean Pertwee was good as Hugh but not my type, the last one was the worst. No I've no idea why there were three, I think Sean left to do films but the other two have only done a handful of things on T.V since.

I finished decorating the Christmas tree with garland I purchased today.  The cat insists on pawing at the garland, so I don't know how long it will actually be *on* the tree.  ::)

Got the envelopes done for alot of my Christmas cards.  I still have to buy stamps, and maybe another box of cards, in case I think of someone else to send cards to.

Went to Half Price bookstore, but didn't buy anything.  Got breakfast at Golden Corral (which was tasty).

Did dishes, folded laundry.  Boy am I beat.  ;D

They were called 1964 and they were pretty good. Played the Beatles earlier stuff. Not only did they sound like the Fab Four, but they looked like them, too. And yeah, we had fun.



Cat
awesome, no doubt you jad a good time. I'll see if they have a website and check their tour schedule, perhaps they're coming to California.

Funny he's my favourite Hugh *swoon*  ;D
Granted Sean Pertwee was good as Hugh but not my type, the last one was the worst. No I've no idea why there were three, I think Sean left to do films but the other two have only done a handful of things on T.V since.



I agree that the last Hugh was the worst. What kind of bothers me about the shows is when they have Hugh & Cadfael arguing and they never really did in the books. They ALWAYS got along and even if they did disagree with other, there was never any anamosity between them (like St. Peter's Fair-one of my least favorites of the shows-the book was SOOOOO much better).



Cat

awesome, no doubt you jad a good time. I'll see if they have a website and check their tour schedule, perhaps they're coming to California.



They said that were going to preform at Carnegie Hall-for the seventh time.  :o :o


Edited to add: I just found this:  http://www.1964thetribute.com/




Cat

They said that were going to preform at Carnegie Hall-for the seventh time.  :o :o


Edited to add: I just found this:  http://www.1964thetribute.com/




Cat
thanks, it's a cool website and they have a full schedule for next year & are going to be in Long Beach California 3/21/07 but it says it is a Private Function and coincidently we are going to Long Beach in January to check out the college for Julie so no concert for us, plus it's private. 

thanks, it's a cool website and they have a full schedule for next year & are going to be in Long Beach California 3/21/07 but it says it is a Private Function and coincidently we are going to Long Beach in January to check out the college for Julie so no concert for us, plus it's private. 



In May, they are going to be in Carmel & Fresno. I don't know how far you are from those two places.




Cat

I just beat my sister at Trivial Pursuit......we might play later.  So I can beat her again.  :)

In May, they are going to be in Carmel & Fresno. I don't know how far you are from those two places.




Cat
I didn't look that far ahead into their schedule. Carmel would be great & only about 2 hours away. Carmel is one of the most scenic, beautiful California coastal towns around. We've been a couple times but it's been a few years and you may have helped me devise my plans for a nice weekend away for our anniversary. thanks Cat

I went bowling with a group of people then went to Panera for dinner.

You went bowling? That's nice...How well did you bowl?

You went bowling? That's nice...How well did you bowl?


I'm starting to suck now,125 and a 84.I've decided to give up bowling altogether.

I'm starting to suck now,125 and a 84.I've decided to give up bowling altogether.

Did you used to be better?

For the record, the best I've bowled (to date) was 109, and that was seven years ago.

I'm starting to suck now,125 and a 84.I've decided to give up bowling altogether.



You shouldn't quit just because you're not bowling what you used to.  Do you enjoy spending time with these people anyway? 

Did you used to be better?

For the record, the best I've bowled (to date) was 109, and that was seven years ago.


I was on a bowling league for 3 years.

You shouldn't quit just because you're not bowling what you used to.  Do you enjoy spending time with these people anyway? 


yeah of course I enjoyed spending time with them

I was on a bowling league for 3 years.

That's good. I used to have a friend who was on a bowling league (and he was really good at bowling!), but he sadly died five years ago at age 19. He had problems with seizures for most of his life. :\'( :\'(

yeah of course I enjoyed spending time with them



Then you shouldn't quit just because you're bowling an 84.  I think the whole point of doing stuff like that is just to spend time with people you like and have a good time.  Your score shouldn't really matter, should it?

What have I done today? Not a whole lot...but I do need to work on my paper. So I think I'll sign off soon and work on it.

Then you shouldn't quit just because you're bowling an 84.  I think the whole point of doing stuff like that is just to spend time with people you like and have a good time.  Your score shouldn't really matter, should it?


True.I just want to focus on another hobby.

True.I just want to focus on another hobby.



What other hobbies are you interested in?

That's good. I used to have a friend who was on a bowling league (and he was really good at bowling!), but he sadly died five years ago at age 19. He had problems with seizures for most of his life. :\'( :\'(


I sprained my hamstring while bowling in my league in 2002

What other hobbies are you interested in?


I like music

Well, I helped my mom organize costumes for our Christmas program that is coming up in a few weeks, then we went to Bob Evans for lunch. After that, I came home and spent the rest of the day with Vaughn and Chris.

clean all day until it's time for Dexter!

clean all day until it's time for Dexter!
This Dexter guy, he expects a clean house when he comes by?   


I'm going to post my 14,000 post in a moment

This Dexter guy, he expects a clean house when he comes by?   


I'm going to post my 14,000 post in a moment


wow!!!! this is exciting!

i'm on my way to 10, 000.  i'm gong to stay logged on and watch.

wow!!!! this is exciting!

i'm on my way to 10, 000.  i'm gong to stay logged on and watch.

KKay, forgive me for making you wait so long and just for being loyal and patient I'm gonna do it with you on your post  8)
14,000

KKay, forgive me for making you wait so long and just for being loyal and patient I'm gonna do it with you on your post  8)
14,000



that was fantastic.  I need a cigarette.
8)


Congratulations!

that was fantastic.   I need a cigarette.
8)


Congratulations!
thanks, & go easy there girl or you'll have the mods all over us  ;D
it was good wasn't it.  ;D

thanks, & go easy there girl or you'll have the mods all over us  ;D
it was good wasn't it.  ;D


"mods all over us" ??!!!
and you tell me to go easy! ;D

good work.
keep up the good posting

"mods all over us" ??!!!
and you tell me to go easy! ;D

good work.
keep up the good posting
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^ a simple slip of the tongue, at least there was no profanity or substitute expletives.  I'm suddenly feelin sleepy now

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^ a simple slip of the tongue, at least there was no profanity or substitute expletives.  I'm suddenly feelin sleepy now


me too. after my 11:30 snack , it's bedtime.

me too. after my 11:30 snack , it's bedtime.
I'm not really sleepy, I've still got energy to burn tonight. you probably get up earlier than me for work. I get up at 830am and start at 10a

I'm not really sleepy, I've still got energy to burn tonight. you probably get up earlier than me for work. I get up at 830am and start at 10a


I get up at 7 and walk the dog and stuff....then work at 9. but i live about 5 miles away.

I get up at 7 and walk the dog and stuff....then work at 9. but i live about 5 miles away.
7am is too early for me, and you drive to work?  I'm 26 miles away and it takes about 35min to get there with no traffic jams.
I'm going to have a short work week with Thursday & Friday off for Thanksgiving so this week should be a piece of crumb cake. 

7am is too early for me, and you drive to work?  I'm 26 miles away and it takes about 35min to get there with no traffic jams.
I'm going to have a short work week with Thursday & Friday off for Thanksgiving so this week should be a piece of crumb cake. 


great short week is right!

yeah i live about ...ok. 7 miles away. and it takes me 20 minutes by car.  there is really only one main road to my office and it's always crowded with express bussses

great short week is right!

yeah i live about ...ok. 7 miles away. and it takes me 20 minutes by car.  there is really only one main road to my office and it's always crowded with express bussses
If I started at 9am it would take me 45-50min but the traffic has thinned out by my commute time and there will be less cars on the road with people leaving for the Holidays.

I agree that the last Hugh was the worst. What kind of bothers me about the shows is when they have Hugh & Cadfael arguing and they never really did in the books. They ALWAYS got along and even if they did disagree with other, there was never any anamosity between them (like St. Peter's Fair-one of my least favorites of the shows-the book was SOOOOO much better).



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I know it was dreadful compared to the book! I think it's a bit like they did with the Poirot T.V series, alot of what you read is his thought process which wouldn't work on T.V. So they have to give the main character a sounding board questioming what he's doing so that his reasoning can be seen and understood.

I've just been watching some filming for the film of the Philip Pullman his dark materials trilogy. I can't remember what it's called but Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig are in it.

Right now, nothing.  However when my sister gets back from her afternoon class, we're having Subway for lunch and then I'll probably end up cleaning the bathroom.  Or something like that.

Well...I've been vacuuming, and cleaning the house and stuff...and later tonight, I have my rehearsal for our Christmas program at church.

Getting ready for my dad's visit.  He'll be here tomorrow. 

Yesterday I cleaned the house from top to bottom except for the 2 bathrooms so I have to do that today.  I have to pick up a few groceries and then pick up my daughter...

I too am planning housework whan I get home. I have all of Ian's laundry from his weekend away and we are having an agency inspection on wednesday so the house has to be pristine.

Laid off on Friday, so I got up and went to the union hall. 

Laid off on Friday, so I got up and went to the union hall. 


Well that just sucks.  >:(  And right before the holidays too!  I am so sorry!

Well that just sucks.  >:(  And right before the holidays too!  I am so sorry!


That's the way the building trade goes.. you get laid off one big job.. quite often go straight in to another one.

Well that just sucks.  >:(  And right before the holidays too!  I am so sorry!



That's the way the building trade goes.. you get laid off one big job.. quite often go straight in to another one.


Like Davey says, that's construction.  I'm not an office worker, or factory worker where this would be much more devastating.  I get my money then call the business agents and/or go to the union hall and hope something comes up.  This has been a rocky year, but I plan for this sort of thing. 

Like Davey says, that's construction.  I'm not an office worker, or factory worker where this would be much more devastating.  I get my money then call the business agents and/or go to the union hall and hope something comes up.  This has been a rocky year, but I plan for this sort of thing. 


In my opinion it's a great way to do things. Most of the year I'll make better money than anybody I know.. but ya know, there'll be 8-10 weeks a year with no work. Hey - great, it all works out. I end up earning as much as most folks, but with way more time off to spend with friends, family... whatever one does in their spare time.

In my opinion it's a great way to do things. Most of the year I'll make better money than anybody I know.. but ya know, there'll be 8-10 weeks a year with no work. Hey - great, it all works out. I end up earning as much as most folks, but with way more time off to spend with friends, family... whatever one does in their spare time.


Too true.  To me layoff = vacation.  I make great money when I'm working, and as long as I get 1100 hours work a year I get my benefits for the following year.  I don't know many who have the package that I do, and none non-union.  Health, Dental, Eyeglasses, Pension(fully funded and guaranteed), and Annuity. 

Too true.  To me layoff = vacation.  I make great money when I'm working, and as long as I get 1100 hours work a year I get my benefits for the following year.  I don't know many who have the package that I do, and none non-union.  Health, Dental, Eyeglasses, Pension(fully funded and guaranteed), and Annuity. 


What trade are you in??

Too true.  To me layoff = vacation.  I make great money when I'm working, and as long as I get 1100 hours work a year I get my benefits for the following year.  I don't know many who have the package that I do, and none non-union.  Health, Dental, Eyeglasses, Pension(fully funded and guaranteed), and Annuity. 


There are exceptions to your comment, although in the majority of the cases you are absolutely right.  When I worked for a commercial outfit (non-union), I had all the bennies you had listed plus did not have any union dues to contend with.

We did mostly jobs involving state and federal monies, so prevailing wage was paid to all employees and routinely checked by turning in
"certified payroll" sheets.  Our fringes went into a 401K account of our choice and was planned that way for retirement due to the lack of unions up this way.

The St Lawrence Seaway project ruined the trade unions up here.  While it was being constructed, the unions hired anybody they could get their hands on, and after the project was completed there were NO jobs available, hence a lot of union members who had paid into the system and got locked out in the cold.  The wounds ran deep and still haven't healed in many cases.

Right now, Ft Drum has pulled a fast one with the expansion up here, they're created a special wage bracket for carpenters, and the scale wage is under 13 an hour, no fringes.  Talked to a superintendent up there a few weeks ago, and they can't get carpenters, they're getting Pizza Hut, KFC, Wal-Mart employees who've never worked outside(especially in winter) and don't know a speed square from a 2x4, but they can't get experienced carpenters because of the low wages being paid.....

Good luck with the trip to the union hall, I mean that with all sincerity, I hope they have something available for you.

Too true.  To me layoff = vacation.  I make great money when I'm working, and as long as I get 1100 hours work a year I get my benefits for the following year.   I don't know many who have the package that I do, and none non-union.  Health, Dental, Eyeglasses, Pension(fully funded and guaranteed), and Annuity. 


Wow...that's pretty cool.


I'm not sorry anymore.  :P    ;)

Too true.  To me layoff = vacation.  I make great money when I'm working, and as long as I get 1100 hours work a year I get my benefits for the following year.  I don't know many who have the package that I do, and none non-union.  Health, Dental, Eyeglasses, Pension(fully funded and guaranteed), and Annuity. 


Who the hell would work in an office!  ;D

Working today and not sure what I'm doing afterwards.

Moved around some furniture in the living room

Did a wee bit of grocery shopping, it was insane around the frozen turkey case!

Still alot to be done with housework, but it's getting there.

What trade are you in??


Heavy Equipment Operators (IUOE). 




We did mostly jobs involving state and federal monies, so prevailing wage was paid to all employees and routinely checked by turning in
"certified payroll" sheets.  Our fringes went into a 401K account of our choice and was planned that way for retirement due to the lack of unions up this way.

The St Lawrence Seaway project ruined the trade unions up here.  While it was being constructed, the unions hired anybody they could get their hands on, and after the project was completed there were NO jobs available, hence a lot of union members who had paid into the system and got locked out in the cold.  The wounds ran deep and still haven't healed in many cases..



Massachusetts is pretty much a union state, we have prevailing wage, but the unions did become bloated with workers during the Big Dig.  Alot of out-of-towners were let in, too, and decided to stay. The problem is that to many come in for the rate without understanding the whys and wherefores of unions and the reasons we have the rules we have.  Greed abounds.  Jobs are tight right now and some are grumbling. During the Dig there were lots of jobs and lots of overtime, they overspent during the good years,now they blame the union for not getting them the same kind of jobs, actually get mad because they get 40 hours a week.  No sympathy there from me.  They were told "If you can't afford it on an unemployment check, you can't afford it"  Too, true.
Our benefits are administered by the local, not by the individual companies, and by law have to be fully funded so we are pretty well set up, we don't have to worry about an Enron type of debacle, everything is overseen by (hopefully) reputable outside firm.  So far my retirement is looking real good.  :)

Went to my program

Heavy Equipment Operators (IUOE). 



And what equipment do you mainly run??

My Dad was local 545, Operating Engineers during the years he worked union....

stay home for the rest of the evening

It's 630pm & my day at work is done & now I can go home.

Worked.

Since there's about 2 hours left in the day, I'm going to spend them at my new favorite website, forgotten-ny.com

uhhh, i gotta go. there's a Charlie Brown Thanksgiving special on

Today will consist of work and more work for me.

Today will consist of work and more work for me.
I put in 8 hours yesterday & will do the same today

I put in 8 hours yesterday & will do the same today
Yesterday was a long day for me.

Yesterday was a long day for me.
me too, but I snuck in 2 cat naps in the atrium lounge area. it was dark & quiet so I took my breaks in there.

me too, but I snuck in 2 cat naps in the atrium lounge area. it was dark & quiet so I took my breaks in there.
There is no chance to sleep at my work.

There is no chance to sleep at my work.
I have more freedom now than I used to, and I get my work done first.

Work, my only excitement is an Alexander Technique lesson this lunchtime.

Today I'm going to college up to lunchtime only because I'm feeling very tired and low. I might have SAD (Seasonally affected disorder).

Today I'm going to college up to lunchtime only because I'm feeling very tired and low. I might have SAD (Seasonally affected disorder).


It's a lot more common than people think.  You should see your doctor because there are things that can really help.  Good luck to you!


Right now I am working.  Afterwards I have to go to our cable company and exchange our remote because it isn't working.  Then I am going to go and help my sister in her floral shop, and after that go grocery shopping for Thanksgiving.  This year I'm making the stuffing and a pistachio salad.

I'm about to go home, cook some dinner and hole up infront of the T.V. One of the main characters is going to be killed off tonight in my one T.V obssession Holby City, so I shall be watching with tissues at the ready.  :\'( 

Well, I am in the middle of some major organizing today! LOL! ;D  I tackled Vaughn's closet, got rid of the too small clothes....and I've been working on listing on Ebay today (it's 20 cent insertion fee day...yippee!).

Today I'm going to college up to lunchtime only because I'm feeling very tired and low. I might have SAD (Seasonally affected disorder).


If you truly have SAD the best thing to do is not to stay inside.  They say a big problem is the fact that with the cold weather people tend to stay in and that exacerbates the problem.  Corny as it may sound a brisk half hour walk during the daytime is one of the best things you can do. 

Tonight we took my mom out for her birthday at a nice restaurant; when we got home my dad and I gave my mom her gifts. :)

Tonight we took my mom out for her birthday at a nice restaurant; when we got home my dad and I gave my mom her gifts. :)



sounds like a lovely day, Jeff! :)

sounds like a lovely day, Jeff! :)

Thanks Erin...she had to work in the morning and afternoon, though.

I've got a small turkey in the oven for work potluck tomorrow and it's looking and smelling good

Well..........today probably just some more organizing/cleaning around the house...and then tonight we are going to this place near us that sells Christmas stuff...it's always decorated so pretty...with neat train/house displays and TONS of Christmas trees....I've been going there every year since I was little...and now Vaughn loves to go. :)

Today I'm off work at NOON! and then it's off to the house. Then we (me. wife and kiddos) load up the truck and head up to East Texas to stay with my Grands for the Thanksgiving Holiday. It's only a 3 hour dive but I don't get "back home" NEAR as often as I should. I was raised by my Grandparents on a farm and it's really great when we go back and stay for a while. I can smell the smoke house as I type!  :)

I'm ready to get going......

Soon I will be settling down to watch televsion

Waiting for my parents to call in, I bought a cake. They did say they might not be able to come so I could well be left with a whole cake to eat.............. ;D 

I'm working now, then a few errands, and tonight I'll be cooking.  I am making the stuffing for tomorrow and a pistachio salad.  I went grocery shopping last night and bought three loaves of bread.  I also had french bread and bagels, so the girl who was bagging my order commented on all of it.  I told her I was making stuffing, and she looked at me kind of blankly and asked me what I meant.  After I explained it all to her, she said "I didn't know you could make it.  I just thought it came in a box."  Oh the horror!  There is nothing better than homemade stuffing!