I can imagine him chasing people around the party with a pair of shears, "I'lll be cutting and a strutting yeah!"



That might wind up being dangerous. ;D

what was the name of the one-legged wrestler? and whatever happened to that guy?

what was the name of the one-legged wrestler? and whatever happened to that guy?



Zach Gowen?

He is still wrestling on the Indy Circuit

what was the name of the one-legged wrestler? and whatever happened to that guy?


Zack Gowen sucked.anyone remember in 2002 when Brock Lesnar pushed Zack down the stairs that day?
Brock Lesnar reminded me of a huge lunatic on Smackdown ;D

Who thinks John Cena is getting a little bit way too cocky for himself? ::)

The way I look at wrestling is if the guy is playing a bad guy and you really hate him, then he's good, HHH makes people hate him so he's good. I hate the distract the referee and cheat tactic, it is the most over used cheat in wrestling but I guess there isn't much else you can do with millions watching in plain sight  :D


When you have watched it for as long as I have Jiminy, your perspective changes. When I was 10 years old (first watched a P-P-V: Wrestlemania 3), I guess it was a basic drive for the 'Good vs Evil' mentality. Now I am grown up, I need character in the plot lines (not realising this was what got me hooked into wrestling to start with) and that is from both heels and faces.

I don't hate HHH for the sake of hating him, I am just very bored of him. Also there is this unhealthy attitude that faces can only achieve greatness if they become heels. That is not positive feedback.

When you have watched it for as long as I have Jiminy, your perspective changes. When I was 10 years old (first watched a P-P-V: Wrestlemania 3), I guess it was a basic drive for the 'Good vs Evil' mentality. Now I am grown up, I need character in the plot lines (not realising this was what got me hooked into wrestling to start with) and that is from both heels and faces.

I don't hate HHH for the sake of hating him, I am just very bored of him. Also there is this unhealthy attitude that faces can only achieve greatness if they become heels. That is not positive feedback.


So Bob,who do you actually hate besides HHH?
I myself hate Kurt Angle because of his ranting and raving. ::)

When you have watched it for as long as I have Jiminy, your perspective changes. When I was 10 years old (first watched a P-P-V: Wrestlemania 3), I guess it was a basic drive for the 'Good vs Evil' mentality. Now I am grown up, I need character in the plot lines (not realising this was what got me hooked into wrestling to start with) and that is from both heels and faces.

I don't hate HHH for the sake of hating him, I am just very bored of him. Also there is this unhealthy attitude that faces can only achieve greatness if they become heels. That is not positive feedback.

I don't think it's HHH, to me it's the quility of good wrestlers, it  just isn't there anymore, they are taking second rate wrestlers and making stars out of them

I don't think it's HHH, to me it's the quility of good wrestlers, it  just isn't there anymore, they are taking second rate wrestlers and making stars out of them


You're just now notcing that?  They've been taken third rate talent since 1997 and making stars out of them. Curt Hennig and Rick Rude used to complain about this all the time, and they were right.

You're just now notcing that?  They've been taken third rate talent since 1997 and making stars out of them. Curt Hennig and Rick Rude used to complain about this all the time, and they were right.

I've noticed this for a long time now, I haven't watched wrestling regularly since The Rock left, they still have Ric Flair, I think they should let him run his mouth, his wrestling days are over (or should be over) so let him talk

I don't think it's HHH, to me it's the quility of good wrestlers, it  just isn't there anymore, they are taking second rate wrestlers and making stars out of them


IMO, I don't like Shane Douglas, Albert, Jeff Jarrett, Test - even Edge and Christian because they wouldn't have been worthy of being the successes they are since 1997 and it tells:

Shane had to jump ship to get wrestling success before coming back to the WWF to mess it up again (end of 1994/9?) and Jeff Jarrett got the intercontinental title at one stage but was a very average wrestler (anyone remember his debut at Royal Rumble 1994, lasting less than two minutes when Savage knocked him over the top rope?  ;D).

There are too many cry-baby's who concentrate on what's not important for the business's long-term success.

I think wrestlers nowadays care about paychecks in their hands.They do what they have to do and get paid for it.

I've noticed this for a long time now, I haven't watched wrestling regularly since The Rock left, they still have Ric Flair, I think they should let him run his mouth, his wrestling days are over (or should be over) so let him talk


Ric Flair should just give it up already.Too many "woos". ;D

IMO, I don't like Shane Douglas, Albert, Jeff Jarrett, Test - even Edge and Christian because they wouldn't have been worthy of being the successes they are since 1997 and it tells:

Shane had to jump ship to get wrestling success before coming back to the WWF to mess it up again (end of 1994/9?) and Jeff Jarrett got the intercontinental title at one stage but was a very average wrestler (anyone remember his debut at Royal Rumble 1994, lasting less than two minutes when Savage knocked him over the top rope?  ;D).

There are too many cry-baby's who concentrate on what's not important for the business's long-term success.


I agree with your conlsion but most of the wrestlers you mentioned are good wrestlers who are willing to take risks and bumps to make others and the company to look good.
I am no fan of The Franchise.. his ECW stuff was good, but in no way great. Ja-ha-reh-ha-ha--reh-het hasn't got all that much discernable talent, he just had a good gimmick.

Test & Albert.. neither of them will amount to anything great, but they are relativley solid workers, they can do the whole monster thing and are capable of selling for people and making them look good.

How in the blue hell can you say Edge & Christian don't deserve the spots they have. IMO it should be the other way around with Christian in Edge's postition. Both are fabulous athletes, both are willing to do pretty much anything, both make other workers look good. They are both exceptional workers, plus Christian is totally 'Captain Charisma'. He cuts exceptional promos and his facial expressions are priceless.

I've noticed this for a long time now, I haven't watched wrestling regularly since The Rock left, they still have Ric Flair, I think they should let him run his mouth, his wrestling days are over (or should be over) so let him talk


I never thought I would say this but...

DA/\/\N I MISS THE ROCK!

They are both exceptional workers, plus Christian is totally 'Captain Charisma'. He cuts exceptional promos and his facial expressions are priceless.



When is Christian gonna get his due?  You know I have been saying that since his first days with the WWE, simply because I thought he took the best bumps.  But for the past couple of years there have been rumblings, keep in mind I live in Canada, about CLB.

I think the Basic Instinct parody could have been the best thing to happen to his career since TLC.

How in the blue hell can you say Edge & Christian don't deserve the spots they have. IMO it should be the other way around with Christian in Edge's postition. Both are fabulous athletes, both are willing to do pretty much anything, both make other workers look good. They are both exceptional workers, plus Christian is totally 'Captain Charisma'. He cuts exceptional promos and his facial expressions are priceless.


Their personalities bore me, Andy, and change incohesively from one plot angle to the next. Captain Charisma indeed.  ;D

I think wrestlers nowadays care about paychecks in their hands.They do what they have to do and get paid for it.


I don't think wrestlers can afford to do otherwise. In a business like that, which has no union and no benefits, they have to look out for themselves -- because no one else is going to do that for them, including their peers. Of course they should take pride in their work, but they better try to get as much money as they possibly can, too.

Hey Guys I was thinking, of wrestlers who never really had any time in WCW, WWE, or ECW, yet they still made names for themselves and are very well known through out the pro wrestling world.


No time or Little Time in the BIG 3 Yet still are Very Well Renouwned and Popular

Abdullah the Butcher
Shark Boy
Gary Hart
Brandi Mankowietz
Bill Dundee
The Great Muta


Help me think of more guys(and girls...I say guys I mean both boys and girls)

Their personalities bore me, Andy, and change incohesively from one plot angle to the next. Captain Charisma indeed.  ;D




Speaking of charisma Bobby, what do you think of Warrior's latest rant at the University?

He's losing it more n' more daily...

Speaking of charisma Bobby, what do you think of Warrior's latest rant at the University?

He's losing it more n' more daily...


The last I heard about The Warrior going to universities to talk was from Billy Florio. What did he say? LOL!!!  ;D

The last I heard about The Warrior going to universities to talk was from Billy Florio. What did he say? LOL!!!  ;D


Heheheh.... man this guy would be worth paying to see just for the theatrics..

The Warrior Attacks
By Joe Wentzel

What was to be a lecture on the differences between liberalism and conservatism became heated Tuesday when the man known simply as Warrior came to the Dodd Center.

The night quickly changed from a love fest over the Ultimate Warrior and his career in what was then known as the World Wrestling Federation (WWF) to an attack on his personal beliefs. The Warrior - who Norm Moghtaderi, a 10th-semester sociology and history major, felt was homophobic and racist - was met with unhappy members of the Tent City protest group.

"People like this should not be allowed to spat this off without being countered," said Geoff Traugh, a 4th-semester peace studies and political science major.

The dispute between Traugh and Warrior escalated. Warrior screamed back and stomped on the stage saying questions would be answered during the question and answer segment.

Many people in the audience yelled and verbally attacked Warrior and his views during his hour-and-a-half discussion.

"How do you think, I feel I have to protect him," Maj. Sgt. Linda Killarney said. She called three other officers to the scene for backup. The crowd was warned if this was not stopped, it would end.

The College Republicans, who sponsored the event with the Undergraduate Student Government, said the organization was just trying to add another point of view to the discussion.

"We are truly sorry that the Warrior did not measure up to our standards," College Republicans Spokesman Heath Fahle said.

The group said they had worked hard to bring another view to add to respectful debates. They thought Warrior would represent news ideas after members saw him live. The organization felt compelled to send out a press release apologizing for the e vent.

"We do not feel that happened tonight," Fahle said. He said the College Republicans had wanted a respectful debate.

Warrior got an unfavorable response from the crowd when he discussed homosexuals.

"Queering don't make the world work," Warrior said.

He also discussed how all rights require responsibilities. He wanted people to know rights come with responsibilities. Traugh fired back with the comment life is a right that comes without responsibility.

Warrior's comments forced one man to yell at him and ask him to apologize to Moghtaderi. While listening to Moghtaderi, Warrior said he needed to get a towel. Moghtaderi is Iranian and his friend took offense, causing an outburst.
Warrior said America is a super power and being a super power hurt the liberalism debate. He argued there are no absolutes in liberalism.

"Don't fall for the lie that both sides are right," Warrior said. "Government won' t work unless people work."

The beginning video presentation itself showed sentiments about the war in Iraq. The video showed the Warrior ripping up the Iraqi flag. The video not only showed this event. It accented the event by showing it from four different camera angles.
Warrior also said he had taken steroids to keep up with the rigors of traveling on the road for wrestling and he that he was upfront with his steroid use and wanted other athletes to step forward.

"Yes, I did it to keep up with the road," Warrior said.

He discussed a story about a professional shot putter who worked out at his school. He said the shot putter never used steroids to get the No. 3 ranking in the world. But, he said to get to the No. 1 ranking, there was a different set of rules. Warrior said he never did steroids until he got to 295 pounds and then he never thought about it again.

After the event eased down, Warrior answered questions about wrestling. Students wanted to discuss the feeling of winning, if the matches were planned and if he was still in contact with Hulk Hogan.

The Warrior said he left the WWF after 12 years because of a dispute with Vince McMahon, who is the owner of what is now known as World Wrestling Entertainment. The dispute spurred a five-year legal battle, but the Warrior did not say who won.

The Warrior rose from simple beginnings. In high school, he was chosen as least likely to succeed. He told the audience the story of how a rusty workout machine became his friend. This machine changed his life.

"Exercise made the quality of my life better," Warrior said.

When all was said and done, Warrior said he felt that the event was a success. His associates also saw the event as an exchange of ideas. Many students waited outside the event. Many of them hoped to get one last glimpse of the man who had come to give a lecture. But they never did.

Lady's & Gentlemen.. Presenting.. A Has Been.

It's such a shame that a man who was once a phenominal athlete has become a bitter and resentfull bigot.

Lady's & Gentlemen.. Presenting.. A Has Been.

It's such a shame that a man who was once a phenominal athlete has become a bitter and resentfull bigot.


Everyone is intitled to their opinion I guess.

RD from Wrestlecrap said that he should definately write a book. 

I think that would be the only wrestling book, besides Hart's upcoming one, that I would actually want to buy.

Everyone is intitled to their opinion I guess.

RD from Wrestlecrap said that he should definately write a book. 

I think that would be the only wrestling book, besides Hart's upcoming one, that I would actually want to buy.


Foleys are very entertaining..


Hey Guys I was thinking, of wrestlers who never really had any time in WCW, WWE, or ECW, yet they still made names for themselves and are very well known through out the pro wrestling world.

Abdullah the Butcher
Shark Boy
Gary Hart
Brandi Mankowietz
Bill Dundee
The Great Muta


Abby had a fair run in WCW, i believe he was in the WWF for a while as well.. granted not years and years, but he had mainstream exposure.

I love wrestling but I consider it a " sports soap opera ". No idea if that has been mentioned before 'cause I don't have 2 hours to scroll through 140 pages of comments. I will say it takes alot of physical shape, athletics, and acrobatics to do well and I consider it a sport, but one that has built up drama alot more than other sports.

Lady's & Gentlemen.. Presenting.. A Has Been.

It's such a shame that a man who was once a phenominal athlete has become a bitter and resentfull bigot.


I'm inclined to agree. Anyway, I like to think of him as he was back then. Defeating Hogan at Wrestlemania 6, Savage at Wrestlemania 7 - I always knew he was off his case. Probably one of the main reasons why I like him.  :)

I love wrestling but I consider it a " sports soap opera ". No idea if that has been mentioned before 'cause I don't have 2 hours to scroll through 140 pages of comments. I will say it takes alot of physical shape, athletics, and acrobatics to do well and I consider it a sport, but one that has built up drama alot more than other sports.

I can't remember all that has been said, but that pretty much hits it. Professional wrestling, as it is presented today, probably has drawn more from the gladitorial events of Rome than from other competitive sports. I've read in a few places that Roman gladiators do many of the things that we see in the WWE... planning who's going to win, choregraphing fights, perhaps even blading (not sure about this for sure, but apparently they did use the blood of animals to fake injuries or even deaths. From what I understand, they rarely ever were seriously wounded/killed since doing so would leave them with a smaller pool of gladiators to choose from. If someone "died" they could simply put a mask on him and let him fight under a different name (again, we see similar things in professional wrestling.)

Well,I thought of bringing back this topic from last year cause I know that Bobby enjoys wrestling and all the crappy gimmicks that have been seen on RAW and Smackdown lately. Mordecai,John Layfield,Bikini Contests,etc...I don't know what's going on with Vince but WWF is getting to be a borefest once again.The ratings seem to tumble more and no one's tuning in! I think Great American Bash should be called Great American Trash! >:( :P



Howard



Oh Gosh, Howard. That is very considerate of you. I'm not too sure how many people will be tuning into this thread but if there is anything you folks want to know then I will be glad to answer your questions (if I can  ;)).


Wow, can you believe that nearly a year ago this thread was started?!!! Wholly Shmokes!

My thanks to Howard and Bobby.

Wow, can you believe that nearly a year ago this thread was started?!!! Wholly Shmokes!

My thanks to Howard and Bobby.


Lol. It's definitely been fun to talk wrestling. Nearly a year heh?  :)

It's been a pleasure, SkyLowLow.  ;)