I would like to see Doink and The Repo Man on either RAW or Smackdown and see what kind of feud they'll be getting into. ;D


Howard

I finally watched some wrestling after not watching for months, Did Ric Flair get plastic surgery or is that natural aging?
I had to look twice, he doesn't even look like Flair

I finally watched some wrestling after not watching for months, Did Ric Flair get plastic surgery or is that natural aging?
I had to look twice, he doesn't even look like Flair


There is something unsettling about Ric these days. He's given up on the fluffy hair and decided to go for the wet back appearance - which looks pervy.  :P

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/brianadams/01.jpg

another cartoon character that failed.The Hawaiian Punch Crush. ;D


Bryan Adams (would you believe is his real name) was the victim of loads of identity failures. He started off his WWF career at Summerslam 1990 as 'Crush' of Demolition, this finished after Wrestlemania 7 after their upset loss against two Japanese guys who were almost unheard of in the US.

What is ironic is that Crush's first opponent after getting repackaged in 1992 was Repoman (Barry Darsow) - 'Smash' of Demolition. The two guys of Demolition fought against each other in the ring at Summerslam 1992 and was the second time since 'Ax' and 'Smash' picked No's 1 and 2 at Royal Rumble 1989.  ;D

He turned into this Japanese bad guy type thing (complete with face make-up that made no sense whatsoever) and lasted a while, having a rather bland feud with Randy Savage (notable for the first falls count anywhere match in WWF history?). I think that lasted until 1994.

Adams entered WCW as part of the team Kronic (who looked good but were handled awfully). The last I saw of him was as 'The Kiss Demon' complete with Kiss make-up, food colouring around the mouth and the most stupid dance ever!

If that didn't kill off Mr Adams career, nothing will to be honest.

he reminds me of Jay Leno


Good observation, Jiminy.  ;D

I finally watched some wrestling after not watching for months, Did Ric Flair get plastic surgery or is that natural aging?
I had to look twice, he doesn't even look like Flair



Ric Flair is an old man.When will he finally give it up already? He's a dinosaur. ;D


Howard

Bryan Adams (would you believe is his real name) was the victim of loads of identity failures. He started off his WWF career at Summerslam 1990 as 'Crush' of Demolition, this finished after Wrestlemania 7 after their upset loss against two Japanese guys who were almost unheard of in the US.

What is ironic is that Crush's first opponent after getting repackaged in 1992 was Repoman (Barry Darsow) - 'Smash' of Demolition. The two guys of Demolition fought against each other in the ring at Summerslam 1992 and was the second time since 'Ax' and 'Smash' picked No's 1 and 2 at Royal Rumble 1989.  ;D

He turned into this Japanese bad guy type thing (complete with face make-up that made no sense whatsoever) and lasted a while, having a rather bland feud with Randy Savage (notable for the first falls count anywhere match in WWF history?). I think that lasted until 1994.

Adams entered WCW as part of the team Kronic (who looked good but were handled awfully). The last I saw of him was as 'The Kiss Demon' complete with Kiss make-up, food colouring around the mouth and the most stupid dance ever!

If that didn't kill off Mr Adams career, nothing will to be honest.



I think he's in TNA these days like all the others from WWF. ;D


Howard

Adams entered WCW as part of the team Kronic (who looked good but were handled awfully). The last I saw of him was as 'The Kiss Demon' complete with Kiss make-up, food colouring around the mouth and the most stupid dance ever!


That poor bastard was the Kiss Demon! Man oh Man that was weak, although I have a hate on for KISS in general so my opinion won't hold a lot of water with the KISS fans.

I actually liked him when he was wrestling as Bryan Adams in WCW.  I remember the best match I saw him in.  He was fighting Scott Hall, who was totally wasted at the time, and he proceeded to kick the living crap out of him.  Scott didn't even put up a fight because he was so out of it.

The ending was priceless...

...Bryan goes to the corner to climb the turnbuckle and flaunt to the crowd, which he should have from beating Hall for at least 7 minutes without any retaliation from the boozing wonder.

The ONLY move Scott did was (sneaking) under Adams legs and giving him a Razors Edge.  One of the funniest things I have seen in wrestling to date.  Sort of a funny because it's so sad thing.

Oh by the way... I'm glad to be back, I was without Internet for a while so pardon my fuming...

...I'm a B.Sc. (Computer Information Systems) graduate who networks mid-sized companies for a living, and I still get to deal with a bunch of BS on technical support.  Just so everyone else out there feels okay about when they get  a bunch of BS, it makes no difference if you have all the knowledge or none.... It's still a pain in the Ashe :)

well the unique thing about Bryan Adams, is that although his costume and attitude often changed, his name never did.

He was a completely different person, but was always known as Crush, until he entered WCW. I think something as simple as a name change would have done him some good.

Demolition Crush
Hawaiian Punch Crush
Japanese Anti/American Crush
Punk/criminal Crush

He had cool theme music as Hawaiian  punch crush, and he went on a date with Pamela Anderson once too, which could swing on the pendelom.

I've noticed a lot on this board that we make fun of the older gimmicks a lot, and put them down, but in all sense of reality it's the gimmicks of not so long ago that were truly stupid.

BadAss Billy Gunn, The Godfather, not only were these gimmicks stupid but they were downright degrading to our sense of character and values.

Give me an immortal Hulk Hogan that tells me to pray and take my vitamins over a Godfather that tells me to be a womanizer any day of the week.

What are some classic wrestling moves that you no longer see and would like to see brought back? I remember in the mid to late 70s the "iron claw" I think i first saw Ivan Koloff use this move, he would take his hand and apply pressure on both temples, it hurt like hell, I remember having it done to me in backyard wrestling. I don't see the figure four any more, I don't hear the words suplex anymore, a Ric Flair move long before the figure four.


Last time I saw the iron claw was with Kurrigan back around 97-98. He had a habit of sticking the claw on someone for the win then dragging the victim back to the locker room by his head. I see the figure four on occasion, primarily since Flair is wrestling again. He uses it quite often and people use it against him (seen at least Shawn Michaels, and I believe someone else as well) just to upset him. As for suplexes, it's more of a matter of what kind. Watch any Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, or Eddie Guerrero match and you're pretty much guaranteed to see suplexes, in many cases several different types. You can expect Belly-to-Belly overhead release ones from Angle, German Suplexes (rolling or release) from both Angle and Benoit, Snap Suplexes from Benoit, and Vertical (again, rolling) from Guerrero. Occasionally you might even see Fishermans, T-bones, Back, or other variations as well. Btw, if you really want to see a match with a lot of suplexes, go back a few years and watch Angle's first every match with Stone Cold Steve Austin. Angle must have snapped 25-30 suplexes of various types throughout that match. He was tossing Austin all over the ring with ease.



Moves you rarely see anymore . . .

Aereoplane spin: Last time I saw someone do that was Roddy Piper to Ric Flair at Royal Rumble 1992.

Head spin: Similar thing were you grab someone by the head and spin them around.

Helicopter spin: I've only seen this performed once (Sid Vicious did it to some poor squash guy) and that is lift a guy into the air so that he spins in mid-air and lands on the canvas! Absolutely awesome watching that for the first time.

You rarely see the reverse chinlock, front facelock or even the beloved hiptoss so much these days. I'm going on a limb to say that the abdominal stretch move is not happening as much as it used to either.


Eugene does the airplane spin from time to time, but then he has a tendency to do older moves from time to time. I saw the helicopter spin not too long ago, but it was the first time I've seen it in ages. I see the abdominal stretch from time to time as well, but it's usually in a tag team match (heels using the ropes or each other for leverage). Think the reason you don't see the reverse chinlock all that much nowadays is because people are more inclined to use a sleeper hold.

There are 2 moves that I miss seeing. The first is the Brainbuster, which Eddie Guerrero used to use as a set up for the Frog Splash before he started doing the triple Vertical Suplexes. I loved that moved ever since Koko B. Ware used his version (Ghostbuster) back in the 80s. The other move I really miss is the Vertibreaker (called the Brainbreaker in some of the wrestling games). The only person I've ever seen use it is the Hurricane. He used to use it quite in WCW after Three Count broke up and he started going solo. I've only seen him use it once in the WWE. :(

Kryllith

Where would The 4 Horsemen end up? RAW Or Smackdown?


Howard

Flair and Batista flashed the Four Horseman sign at each other last night on RAW. Of course, that was before Batista decked him with a closeline. I'd have to say RAW would be the more likely option, considering that Flair and Benoit are both there already (and even though he's not wrestling, I imagine they wouldn't have much problems having Anderson cut promos as a manager).

Kryllith

There are 2 moves that I miss seeing. The first is the Brainbuster, which Eddie Guerrero used to use as a set up for the Frog Splash before he started doing the triple Vertical Suplexes. I loved that moved ever since Koko B. Ware used his version (Ghostbuster) back in the 80s.

I have seen Koko in quite a few P-P-Vs and never seen him use 'The Ghostbuster' once.  ;D

Flair and Batista flashed the Four Horseman sign at each other last night on RAW. Of course, that was before Batista decked him with a closeline. I'd have to say RAW would be the more likely option, considering that Flair and Benoit are both there already (and even though he's not wrestling, I imagine they wouldn't have much problems having Anderson cut promos as a manager).


It would be special if Sid Vicious and Barry Windham would join them. With Barry, you never know in wrestling, it might happen. Last time he wrestled with the WWE was 1997 as part of the 'New Blackjacks'. He's about 45 now and, considering he wrestled up until WCW's end - and considering Flair's still wrestling, you never know!

As for Sid, wishful thinking on my part. I doubt he's got over that severe leg injury he recieved jumping off the top rope on one of WCW's events towards the end of it's run.

Welcome back Kryllith.  :)

well the unique thing about Bryan Adams, is that although his costume and attitude often changed, his name never did.

He was a completely different person, but was always known as Crush, until he entered WCW. I think something as simple as a name change would have done him some good.

Demolition Crush
Hawaiian Punch Crush
Japanese Anti/American Crush
Punk/criminal Crush

He had cool theme music as Hawaiian  punch crush, and he went on a date with Pamela Anderson once too, which could swing on the pendelom.


I personally didn't like Crush when he entered Demolition, it was about the time I stopped watching WWF.  How can you go into one of the most popular tag teams of all time and not dissapoint a ton of people?

Other than that, I actually didn't even know he had a persona besides Bryan Adams.  I think that could be a gimick as well :). Imagine talking to someone who didn't watch wrestling,

"You gotta see Bryan Adams, he's wresting in the WCW"

"Bryan Adams?"

"Yeah, he's really shaped up, about 250lbs of thick muscle."

"Bryan Adams?!"

"Man, oh man, the last match I watched he threw the Macho Man at least 20 feet."

"WTF?! Bryan Adams, I gotta watch this!"

"Yeah, it was so intense I got thirsty, so I got myself a Hawaiian Punch  :P"

Bud dum dum

I've noticed a lot on this board that we make fun of the older gimmicks a lot, and put them down, but in all sense of reality it's the gimmicks of not so long ago that were truly stupid.

BadAss Billy Gunn, The Godfather, not only were these gimmicks stupid but they were downright degrading to our sense of character and values.

Give me an immortal Hulk Hogan that tells me to pray and take my vitamins over a Godfather that tells me to be a womanizer any day of the week.


I totally agree that the gimmicks back in the day were better than they are today.  Yeah, you would see the odd Akeem or Tugboat.  But for each of those you would have a Demolition, Killer Bees, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, and Million Dollar Man.

Which I think still rule.

I totally agree that the gimmicks back in the day were better than they are today.  Yeah, you would see the odd Akeem or Tugboat.  But for each of those you would have a Demolition, Killer Bees, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, and Million Dollar Man.

Which I think still rule.


Roddy Piper and Davey 'Boy' Smith had the best gimmicks ever - their own heritage. It was as if they were the gimmick and you could believe in it. Roddy wearing a kilt and sporan with a t-shirt proudly stating 'Hot Rod' and The British Bulldog wearing The Union Jack walking Matilda up the aisle were incredible images - why Davey wore the dreadlocks though I don't know.  ???

I totally agree that the gimmicks back in the day were better than they are today.  Yeah, you would see the odd Akeem or Tugboat.  But for each of those you would have a Demolition, Killer Bees, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, and Million Dollar Man.

Which I think still rule.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/f/fredottman/04.jpg


Tugboat had a good gimmick.though it was pretty cheesy to have him "toot"every time he came down the aisle but it was interesting.I liked him better as Typhoon.


Howard

I personally didn't like Crush when he entered Demolition, it was about the time I stopped watching WWF.  How can you go into one of the most popular tag teams of all time and not dissapoint a ton of people?

Other than that, I actually didn't even know he had a persona besides Bryan Adams.  I think that could be a gimick as well :). Imagine talking to someone who didn't watch wrestling,

"You gotta see Bryan Adams, he's wresting in the WCW"

"Bryan Adams?"

"Yeah, he's really shaped up, about 250lbs of thick muscle."

"Bryan Adams?!"

"Man, oh man, the last match I watched he threw the Macho Man at least 20 feet."

"WTF?! Bryan Adams, I gotta watch this!"

"Yeah, it was so intense I got thirsty, so I got myself a Hawaiian Punch  :P"

Bud dum dum



I always wondered why didn't his gimmick "The Hawaiian Punch" moniker failed with the fans back then? Was it because it was too cheesy? ;D


Howard

I've noticed a lot on this board that we make fun of the older gimmicks a lot, and put them down, but in all sense of reality it's the gimmicks of not so long ago that were truly stupid.

BadAss Billy Gunn, The Godfather, not only were these gimmicks stupid but they were downright degrading to our sense of character and values.

Give me an immortal Hulk Hogan that tells me to pray and take my vitamins over a Godfather that tells me to be a womanizer any day of the week.



Billy Gunn's gimmick was all about his butt and how women should enjoy staring at it.The Godfather was all about his pimps and ho's. ;D


Howard

Tugboat had a good gimmick.though it was pretty cheesy to have him "toot"every time he came down the aisle but it was interesting.I liked him better as Typhoon.


Howard


I dunno, I'm no homophobe, but that makes him look slightly effeminate  and I'm not even sure why...

...maybe because my buddies always do the, "Hey there sailor" with a good thick lisp.

I totally liked him better as Typhoon with Earthquake, now that was a pretty decent gimmick.

Roddy Piper and Davey 'Boy' Smith had the best gimmicks ever - their own heritage. It was as if they were the gimmick and you could believe in it. Roddy wearing a kilt and sporan with a t-shirt proudly stating 'Hot Rod' and The British Bulldog wearing The Union Jack walking Matilda up the aisle were incredible images - why Davey wore the dreadlocks though I don't know.  ???



When you have personalities bigger than life, you don't need a gimmick.  Piper was definately the voice of the heel back when.  I still like him to this day because of it.

Billy Gunn's gimmick was all about his butt and how women should enjoy staring at it.The Godfather was all about his pimps and ho's. ;D


Howard


I guess you have to take a lot of it with a grain of salt.  I didn't mind the Godfather because I knew the ho's weren't real, but if I was ten years younger I might have gotten confused.  Also, I was a total mark for the Ho Tain move that he did.

As for Mr. Ass, I just always though that it was so damn funny.

Do you think that the average age of fans now has changed so much that they are getting raunchier to appease them, or have they just forced younger children away by displaying all the skin and adult content?

I know that if my daughter was 10 I would not let her watch it.  Whereas when I was 10, the only thing I was told is that it was phoney, but to go ahead and have fun.

I totally agree that the gimmicks back in the day were better than they are today.  Yeah, you would see the odd Akeem or Tugboat.  But for each of those you would have a Demolition, Killer Bees, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, and Million Dollar Man.

Which I think still rule.


The third member of Demolition just DID NOT work

Although they look cool in this picture.