Saying that.. it is easier to get Heat alll you have to do is act like a jerk (which face it anybody can do) and you will get booed.


Yeah, but there is good heat and bad heat.  Shawn Michaels got good heat most of the time while JBL gets bad heat.  Problem is it doesn't seem like the brass know the difference.

True True..I think that at the end of the day as long as the Heel is being booed it dosen't matter... if you really just think JBL sucks.. ok so he hasn't as such earnt that heat however the end result is the same is it now.. you still want him to lose, you will still say Yeah i want Show, Guerrero etc to beat that Jerk.

True True..I think that at the end of the day as long as the Heel is being booed it dosen't matter... if you really just think JBL sucks.. ok so he hasn't as such earnt that heat however the end result is the same is it now.. you still want him to lose, you will still say Yeah i want Show, Guerrero etc to beat that Jerk.





But hey,JBL is still the WWF Champion on Smackdown.I'm hoping Big Show beats him for the title. >:(



Howard

I think, despite The Dudley Boys, Tajiri has faired quite well in the WWE - but he is so mediocre, it hurts. Andy, we need to give wrestling fans an education . . .  ;D



look at Tajiri.He used to be mediocre now he's the cruiserweight champion. ;D
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Howard

Saying that.. it is easier to get Heat alll you have to do is act like a jerk (which face it anybody can do) and you will get booed.


when you say something or act stupid like Angle has,you will get booed.




Howard

True True..I think that at the end of the day as long as the Heel is being booed it dosen't matter... if you really just think JBL sucks.. ok so he hasn't as such earnt that heat however the end result is the same is it now.. you still want him to lose, you will still say Yeah i want Show, Guerrero etc to beat that Jerk.




True True... what happens when he gets a push like this though...

...it just pisses most people off.  I do agree mind you, I think that storyline and fued heat ends up being better in the long run.

look at Tajiri.He used to be mediocre now he's the cruiserweight champion. ;D
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/s/shofunaki/11.jpg




Howard


Is this some  sort of bad joke  ;D

Me thinks Howard wasn't an ECW Fan.. Tajiri is like sooooo much lower than he was.. he was at one point wrestling with some of the top wrestlers in the world.. now.. well now he's on yuck.. smackdown.

Here is a new topic.. does anybody else confuse people by talking smark lol..

I was watching this movie the other day with some friends.. anyway Nick said why is that guy such an asshole.. i said he is just trying to get heat.. blank stare.. he is the top heel he needs the heat or the whole movie wont work dumbass... blank stare lol.. i say it on like soap operas as well.. like oh he needed killing i wonder who will be top heel now?

Me thinks Howard wasn't an ECW Fan.. Tajiri is like sooooo much lower than he was.. he was at one point wrestling with some of the top wrestlers in the world.. now.. well now he's on yuck.. smackdown.

Here is a new topic.. does anybody else confuse people by talking smark lol..

I was watching this movie the other day with some friends.. anyway Nick said why is that guy such an a-hole.. i said he is just trying to get heat.. blank stare.. he is the top heel he needs the heat or the whole movie wont work dum****... blank stare lol.. i say it on like soap operas as well.. like oh he needed killing i wonder who will be top heel now?


Not with my buds, but yeah I have had some similar reactions.  Personally I was watching wrestling in it's heyday; I even remember watching WM 1 on television for goodness sake! I think I was about 8 or so. Back then there was no confusion with storylines or whatnot.  A heel was a bad guy that you booed, and a face was a vitamin eating, prayer saying, Wheaties coverboy.

When I hit around 13 the lines started to become blurred for me as I realized that, for the most part, it was all just an act.  I think Bobby Heenan was the first 'heel' I thought was funny, and then I soon started to get a kick out of guys like The Honky Tonk Man in the ring and Jesse Ventura in the booth. Back then it was even apparent to a 13 year old know-nothing that you really had to take everything with a grain of salt. 

But that was to a 13 year old who watched wrestling religiously since the first big event in 85. Nowadays I have trouble with people that buy the storylines because they all tend to be so ridiculous.  BUUUUUTTT, my cousin, poor poor young and inexperienced guy he was, watched Lesnar win his first title against the Rock in SS (I think) and he ate it all up.  He took the notion that his sister gave him, "I watch it for the stories not the wrestling."

I soon set him straight with a, "It's about the violence, all about the violence.  I couldn't give two craps about the storyline, just watch the wrestling. Wrestling is one helluva acrobatic and scientific sport!"

I think I might have confused him with the word 'storyline'.  But as it was we were on the edge of our seats, him cheering for Rock, me for Lesnar until the big 3 count.

:\'( I like to think I made a difference that day...

Two more things...

was Honky not one of the damnd funniest characters in the ring or not?

And... I love hearing stories about the pre-Wrestlemania days, especially when things were all done in territories.  You would have a lot of fueds that were real as real could be.

Yeah, but there is good heat and bad heat.  Shawn Michaels got good heat most of the time while JBL gets bad heat.  Problem is it doesn't seem like the brass know the difference.


Exactly. I may boo both Shawn Michaels and JBL. But I will look forward to seeing anybody against Shawn Michaels above JBL. Shawn Michael's heat is more of an adrenaline heat as JBL's is more of a 'let's just get this match over and done with' fed-up thing. Oddly enough, the same kind of feeling when I watch HHH.  ::)

Modified just to add that heels back in the old days of wrestling caused riots. 'Gorgeous' George (the wrestler not 'Machoman's woman) was one of the first to use the heel role effectively. In fact, I think the heel thing is too one-dimensional these days. A heel could simply be anybody you don't like but now there are mere templates/stereotypes for wrestlers to use. Some of the WWE's favourites include the arrogant guy (Mr Perfect type), foreign aggressor (Yokozuna type), miscellaneously aggressive (Bad news Brown type), power hungry ('Million Dollar Man' Ted Dibiase) and sadist (Jake Roberts after Summerslam 1991).

It seems the WWE is scared to use humour in it's shows these days. When it does, it is of such low quality that you wonder why they even bothered.

Two more things...

was Honky not one of the damnd funniest characters in the ring or not?

And... I love hearing stories about the pre-Wrestlemania days, especially when things were all done in territories.  You would have a lot of fueds that were real as real could be.


One of the funniest guys I have ever seen. If you haven't seen Survivor Series 1989, watch it as he is at his funniest in his match against The Dream Team.

Me thinks Howard wasn't an ECW Fan.. Tajiri is like sooooo much lower than he was.. he was at one point wrestling with some of the top wrestlers in the world.. now.. well now he's on yuck.. smackdown.

I think using Tajiri the way they have has cheapened his ability in the ring. Tajiri is one of those wrestlers that doesn't need storylines.

Here is a new topic.. does anybody else confuse people by talking smark lol..

I was watching this movie the other day with some friends.. anyway Nick said why is that guy such an a-hole.. i said he is just trying to get heat.. blank stare.. he is the top heel he needs the heat or the whole movie wont work dum****... blank stare lol.. i say it on like soap operas as well.. like oh he needed killing i wonder who will be top heel now?


Lol. I have used the term 'blade' once or twice.  ;D

Modifed to correct my first sentence. The WWE used him, not me. I would have used him more effectively.  ;D

Exactly.. Tajiri can have a great match just through him wanting to win.

Exactly.. Tajiri can have a great match just through him wanting to win.


If you think about it, most of the old WWF was like that really. That is the only motive most wrestlers should need to wrestle in the first place (especially when a title is up for grabs). I think 'Machoman' Randy Savage/Hulk Hogan collectively changed this part of the wrestling industry around Wrestlemania 4 (The jealousy angle between him and Hulk Hogan as the Megapowers). IMO The change was complete around Summerslam 1991 with the Randy/Elizabeth wedding (which, IMO, was an elaborate time-filler).

Plots had steadily got more relationship/emotionally focused after that. There was a love triangle angle at Wrestlemania 8 (Machoman V Ric Flair), Brother V Brother in law at Summerslam 1992 (Bret Hart V British Bulldog), Brother V Brother in 1993/1994 (Bret Hart V Owen Hart), Gang V Gang in 1997 (featuring D.O.A (Disciples of Apocylpse), Los Borricuos and Nation of Domination) and then the big employee V employer angle at the end of 1998/1999 (Steve Austin V Vince McMahon). Now, it has got to the point where you will rarely see a wrestling match for wrestling's sake in the WWE.  :-\\

Exactly.. Tajiri can have a great match just through him wanting to win.


I am quite surprised the WWE have allowed him to do that kick combo which ends with a hard smack to the back of the head with his foot.

They appear to let a lot of stuff that will hurt go.. maybe it's to keep them in line  ;D

They appear to let a lot of stuff that will hurt go.. maybe it's to keep them in line  ;D


I wouldn't be surprised if McMahon uses wrestlers in this way. McMahon telling the offender's opponents to give extra stiff shots to him doesn't sound that far-fetched to me.

Of course, this wouldn't help McMahon if the wrestler is off with injuries, getting his insurance money.  ;D

He let Bob Holly basically kick the crap out of rene dupree...

Dupree must have done McMahon's head in that night.  ;D

No it was all to do with Dupree borrowing Holly's rental car and then getting a ticket.. and not sorting it out. McMahon allowed Holly to whelp on him which really is just.. justice.

No it was all to do with Dupree borrowing Holly's rental car and then getting a ticket.. and not sorting it out. McMahon allowed Holly to whelp on him which really is just.. justice.


Really? Lol.  ;D

I did have a link to it.. but it's been updated. Holly had to appear in Court and everything.. poor old Bob, i suppose it's retribution for his part in the Penis Suplex

I did have a link to it.. but it's been updated. Holly had to appear in Court and everything.. poor old Bob, i suppose it's retribution for his part in the Penis Suplex


A penis suplex?  ???  ;D

LOL.. Read Foley is Good.. or search for The Penis suplex bob holly mick foley al snow on Google.. it may have the story. 'Legend of the penis suplex' actually LOL.

It's.. interesting.

Is this some  sort of bad joke  ;D



They kinda felt bad for Funaki so they wound up handing the belt over to him.


Howard

One of the funniest guys I have ever seen. If you haven't seen Survivor Series 1989, watch it as he is at his funniest in his match against The Dream Team.



wanna know what's funny? Greg Valentine and Honky Tonk Man(Rhythm And Blues) :P



Howard

Jake Roberts was arrested last week for coke and marajuana possession again.The cops knew he had a crack pipe in his drawers and tried to hide it from them.His girlfriend must've snitched on Jake.some people never learn. ::)



Howard

wanna know what's funny? Greg Valentine and Honky Tonk Man(Rhythm And Blues) :P


I have never known a wrestler look so hilariously awkward as Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine (with died jet black hair) performing 'Hunka Hunka Honky Love' at Wrestlemania 6. You knew he hadn't got a clue what to do with that guitar.  ;D

I have never known a wrestler look so hilariously awkward as Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine (with died jet black hair) performing 'Hunka Hunka Honky Love' at Wrestlemania 6. You knew he hadn't got a clue what to do with that guitar.  ;D



It was the worst mistake he made.He even sounded retarded. ::)



Howard

I have never known a wrestler look so hilariously awkward as Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine (with died jet black hair) performing 'Hunka Hunka Honky Love' at Wrestlemania 6. You knew he hadn't got a clue what to do with that <a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=guitar" onmouseover="window.status='guitar'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">guitar</a>.  ;D


Your telling me Bobby, although I think the "hammer" is one of the most underrated superstars of his era and of all time.  I think he never got pushed much because he didn't have the Character that most did back then, although today he'd be Hulk Hogan compared to the competition and I also believe that even though Greg was a superior technichian because he didnt' look like Mr. Muscle he was often discriminated against as a pro wrestler.


Although I still dont' see this fitting too well with the Hammer, can you imagine anyone else as the Honkey's tag partner?