wow when was that?

wow when was that?


Right after Hogan turned on Savage.  I think they were fighting over leadership of NWO.

can't remember the exact year but it must have been around 98-99.

The Rumble looks interesting... my prediction for the rumble will have to wait until after Armaggedon.. well ok i will explain.

Basically if Eddie Guerrero or The Undertaker wins, then i think it will be either one of them that lost or Booker T. (I wanna see RVD win but he won't)

However if it is a Raw winner, i would like to see Jericho win it.. and i can actually see him doing so.

He isn't involved in anything big at the moment, and Vince ain't that stupid, he knows Jericho is a big draw.



I expect for JBL to probably cheat his way to keeping his title at Armageddon.I think JBL is starting to be a title hog just like HHH is now. ::)


Howard

http://repository.wwe.com/galleries/smackdown/120904/images/02.jpg

Who saw Hiroko's reaction to the crowd last night on Smackdown? ;D



Howard

Since when?  As far as I can figure it, Hogan is just as good now as he ever was, but that's because he never could wrestle. He was just a magician with the crowd.


That's very much it. Hogan was not there for wrestling in it's technical form (though I know he can wrestle and have seen him do it). He may be a crap actor outside the ring but he puts a performance on selling his opponents moves before the hulk-up.

I believe his lack of in-ring imagination is probably what makes audiences like him as well. It's all familiar and safe to the fans.

That's very much it. Hogan was not there for wrestling in it's technical form (though I know he can wrestle and have seen him do it). He may be a crap actor outside the ring but he puts a performance on selling his opponents moves before the hulk-up.

I believe his lack of in-ring imagination is probably what makes audiences like him as well. It's all familiar and safe to the fans.


You can't get any clearer or on the money than that.

Ultimate Warrior couldn't win a title for bupkus after the late 90's ;D



Howard


I think Evil Warrior is exactley what the WWE needs to boost ratings. It would be cool.  All right reserved. heheh :P

I think Evil Warrior is exactley what the WWE needs to boost ratings. It would be cool.  All right reserved. heheh :P



not in today's WWF would it work. ::)


Howard

Did anyone see that picture of Hiroko I posted a few posts above?
She was so suprised to see the guys gawk at her. ;D


Howard

LOLOLOL.. Yeah.

I wonder what Bischoff will say on Monday? What do you think Howard?

I am going to predict that at New Years Revelouiton 6 men will enter the Elimination Chamber.

Triple H, Edge, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho and then either a returning Kane, (it's too early for a HBK return) or maybe somebody like Maven or with any luck Christian.

LOLOLOL.. Yeah.

I wonder what Bischoff will say on Monday? What do you think Howard?


I think Bischoff will strip HHH of the title and the belt will be up for grabs at The Royal Rumble.


Howard

He will strip HHH of it, but it will be up for grabs at New Years Reveloution.. which is the next RAW Pay Per View

not in today's WWF would it work. ::)


You are right, Howard. It wouldn't work because before 1998, the WWF had a different mentality (focusing on role models and heros). When Steve Austin became the anti-hero in 1997, role models and heros in their proper sense were no more.

Which some may say was for the better.. of course they are trying to establish heroes and anti heroes now and it just isn't working

Which some may say was for the better.. of course they are trying to establish heroes and anti heroes now and it just isn't working


and which some would say was for the Worse....WWE is going down hill...and it's because of the HUGE short success...what goes up...must come down.

Yeah but if it hadn't been done they would have just.. well not been here at all.

Basically it was a choice between go out on a limb and chance it.. or slowly fade away in to non existance

and which some would say was for the Worse....WWE is going down hill...and it's because of the HUGE short success...what goes up...must come down.



the reason of it being poor was the fight between the pandas.I want the F back in already. >:(

Howard

The F had to get the F out and isn't allowed back the world wildlife fund sued again a few months ago

You are right, Howard. It wouldn't work because before 1998, the WWF had a different mentality (focusing on role models and heros). When Steve Austin became the anti-hero in 1997, role models and heros in their proper sense were no more.


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/u/ultimatewarrior/06.jpg

Do you this warrior picture would work in today's WWF or not? ;D



Howard

The F had to get the F out and isn't allowed back the world wildlife fund sued again a few months ago


Now what did they sue for this time? Don't they have better things to do with themselves than to pick on The WWF? ::)



Howard

'Fraid not Howard.. much as i think the Warrior was awesome.. the days of power & paint are long gone.. now it's Puppies and Politics


Now what did they sue for this time? Don't they have better things to do with themselves than to pick on The WWF? ::)


Some documentary had a WWF Logo in it.. something like that

'Fraid not Howard.. much as i think the Warrior was awesome.. the days of power & paint are long gone.. now it's Puppies and Politics

Some documentary had a WWF Logo in it.. something like that


someone should go to the World Wildlife Fund and punch a panda. >:(



Howard

awwww.. the Panda didn't do it.. i have it on good knowledge that Panda's like wrestling

So,why don't the pandas make an appearance on RAW or Smackdown? ;D


Howard

Duh.. you never seen Rob Van Dam?

Which some may say was for the better.. of course they are trying to establish heroes and anti heroes now and it just isn't working


I liked the idea that wrestlers had stable motives for what they did and everything was done in context. For example, Spike Dudley turns from being the runt of the litter to 'Little Napolean' without any kind of character development. Once you have watched ECW, the idea of D-Von and Bubba Ray following Spike's every whim seems all the more ludicrous.

I couldn't imagine 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan, 'Ravashing' Rick Rude or The Ultimate Warrior changing personalities!

By the way, is it me or does the Armageddon P-P-V card look pretty awful?

Armaggedon has started i think.. yeah it looks sheeshe!

So,why don't the pandas make an appearance on RAW or Smackdown? ;D


I would rather watch a couple of pandas beat each other up than most of the WWE's rosta at the moment.  ::)  ;D

Armaggedon has started i think.. yeah it looks sheeshe!


Anybody have a clue what this John Cena and Jesus thing is all about?

Kinda...jesus twatted cena with the chain.. so they have a street fight..  ::)

Kinda...jesus twatted cena with the chain.. so they have a street fight..  ::)


Oh right lol. I saw the line-up on a website (without prior knowledge of what was going on) and I thought John Cena was wrestling with religious issues.  ;D

Yes fitting that 'Jesus' is wrestling at Armaggedon isn't it. That puts the bejeezuz up my soon to be jewish arse.

"I have come to Tampa tonight to cleans the world of those who beseech me.. ANDREW! where are you sneaking off to boy.."

Yes fitting that 'Jesus' is wrestling at Armaggedon isn't it. That puts the bejeezuz up my soon to be jewish arse.


What are your reasons for becoming Jewish, Alchoholica?

Back to wrestling: Yeah it is fitting.  ???  ;D

Oh... just that it makes more sense to me.. so little of the bullsheesh.. and i feel the catholic church is the most corrupt, hypocritical organisation in the world.. save for Microsoft, Fox and the Republican party.

RVD & Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Dupree & Suziki

RVD is out first along with his partner Rey Mysterio Jr. This match is for the tag team titles and next out we have Suziki and Dupree. RVD leads off as he hammers on Suziki, but then quickly gets Rey Jr. tagged in. Rey takes a knee to the midsection as he is grounded to the mat and Dupree is tagged in.

RVD finally gets the tag and he hammers on both members of Suziki/Dupree connection. RVD tosses Dupree back into the ring and Rey Jr. goes to work on him.

Double team by RVD and Rey Jr. with a monkeyflip and kick to the chin and pin attempt, but Dupree is able to kick out.

Finally Dupree gains the advantage and sends Rey Jr. to the outside. He then goes on the offense against RVD and tags in Suziki when he returns to the ring apron.

Suziki locks in a reverse chin lock in the middle of the ring as Rey tries to get the crowd up to help RVD fight out of the move.

RVD delivers a kick to the jaw of Kenzo and gets over to Rey for the tag. Mysterio hammers on Dupree now in the corner as he runs in. Dupree is able to take advantage when the referee is distracted and they gain the advantage.

Torrie Wilson runs out to the ring apron to aid RVD & Rey Mysterio from outside interference. Dupree continues to work on Rey Mysterio on the inside of the ring. Dupree places a knee in the small of Rey’s back.

The crowd tries to rally Mysterio as Suziki now works him over in the middle of the ring. Rey tries to get to the corner, but Dupree is able to cut him off and then turns around and delivers a cheap shot to RVD which sends him off the corner. As RVD tries to crawl into the ring and return the favor the referee is distracted and a double team ensues.

Suziki nails Rey with a huge right hand. They now have Rey backed into their corner. Rey Jr. is still in the ring and is hurting. He hasn’t been able to make a tag in quite sometime. Finally Rey hits the hunacanrana and he tries to make the tag. He finally does and RVD hits the ring taking out Dupree. RVD hits a moonsault and goes for the cover, but Dupree is able to kick out.

Rolling Thunder by RVD and then a cover attempt, but Kenzo breaks up the count. Rey finally is able to aid RVD as he hits a double 619 on both Kenzo and Dupree. Then RVD goes up top and hits the frogsplash and the champions retain the titles in tonight’s opening matchup.

Winners: Rey Mysterio & RVD

Kurt Angle vs. Santa Clause

Kurt Angle’s music hits as he is escorted to the ring with two armed security guards. Angle tells us that he is going to put his gold medal on the line tonight in a match with Santa Clause. Santa Clause hits the ring wearing his suit and with a bag of gifts.

Angle tells Santa that he “does not like him” because all his daughter only wants to write to Santa Clause. Angle hits the olympic slam and an ankle lock on Santa as Santa taps out. Not quite sure what that was all about.

Winner: Kurt Angle


No i didn't make that last bit up
I will update this until i go to sleep..

Tough Enough Boxing

Next up is the Tough Enough Boxing Match as they recap the entire show up until this point. I will try to do this round by round as each round is one minute long.

Miznan is first out to the ring, wearing his boxing trunks and gloves. Next out is Puder. They have a boxing referee for this and are using boxing rules, such as no knockdown rule etc…

Round one begins and headgear will be used. The guys are going nuts on one another…Miznan actually has done well and Puder goes down, but the referee ruled it a slip. They are slugging at one another pretty hard.

Round 2 begins and Miznan comes out firing and Puder catches him on the back of the head. Not alot of action, because they look to be tiring. It looks as though Puder won that round. Puder did get a sucker punch in however.

Round 3 starts and Miznan is out of breath, but he is giving it his all. He is really laying all out there and is actually doing very well, because he was not supposed to win this thing. Puder got one good shot in and Miznan got some small shots in.

Since there was no knockdown the crowd gets to choose the winner.

It was somewhat close on the crowd reaction, but they give it to Daniel Puder.

As i expected, Puder is talented.. let's see how he goes

That Kurt Angle and Santa Clause thing is pathetic! Typical WWE toss.

I thought he was involved in a handicap match against The Bald Show? Maybe he will feature in that later on - and Saint Nick.

looks like a crap show. :P What happened to Dawn Marie and Miss Jackie,4 way for the WWF title with JBL,Undertaker,Eddie G.and Booker T? ???


Howard

I liked the idea that wrestlers had stable motives for what they did and everything was done in context. For example, Spike Dudley turns from being the runt of the litter to 'Little Napolean' without any kind of character development. Once you have watched ECW, the idea of D-Von and Bubba Ray following Spike's every whim seems all the more ludicrous.

I couldn't imagine 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan, 'Ravashing' Rick Rude or The Ultimate Warrior changing personalities!

By the way, is it me or does the Armageddon P-P-V card look pretty awful?



I don't care what anyone says, and evil warrior would rule.  Just have him cause chaos on everyone... face heel whatever.

They need an excuse to shake things up anyways.

I don't care what anyone says, and evil warrior would rule.  Just have him cause chaos on everyone... face heel whatever.

They need an excuse to shake things up anyways.



that could work in today's WWF. ???


Howard

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/j/jackiegayda/08.jpg


I'm suprised that Charlie Haas broke all ties with Jackie Gayda and called Dawn Marie a slut at the PPV last night.Jackie is such a hot number. :o


Howard

I don't care what anyone says, and evil warrior would rule.  Just have him cause chaos on everyone... face heel whatever.

They need an excuse to shake things up anyways.


I suppose a completely neutral warrior wrecking havoc is a nice idea.

I suppose a completely neutral warrior wrecking havoc is a nice idea.



but without the talking of the demons garbage he always mentioned. ::)


Howard

ok off topic here..BUT - I got 25 days off for christmas..and one of the things I look forward to doing is watching RAW.....I ain't seen it in 3 months!  Most likely, I'll be disappointed in it and flip back and forth between another show..but I'm looking forward to giving it a chance..none the less!  I'm praying that it can be like the good ole days when I used to be glued to that screen and would flip if I missed anything while going to the bathroom for a commerical.

Raw was excellent last night.. i guess you missed it (i d/l it off the net)  ;) But it was good.. and yes the World Heavyweight Title will be decided in the Elimination Chamber at New Years Revolution... much like a handsome gent posted here about a week ago  :)

Raw was excellent last night.. i guess you missed it (i d/l it off the net)  ;) But it was good.. and yes the World Heavyweight Title will be decided in the Elimination Chamber at New Years Revolution... much like a handsome gent posted here about a week ago  :)


also Gene Snitsky choked Christy Hemme until Lita came out and talked trash to Gene.


Howard

ok off topic here..BUT - I got 25 days off for christmas..and one of the things I look forward to doing is watching RAW.....I ain't seen it in 3 months!  Most likely, I'll be disappointed in it and flip back and forth between another show..but I'm looking forward to giving it a chance..none the less!   I'm praying that it can be like the good ole days when I used to be glued to that screen and would flip if I missed anything while going to the bathroom for a commerical.



nope.I don't think RAW will be like it used to be.It still sucks sometimes. ::)


Howard

New year Revolution? I guess that is before Royal Rumble (usually held in January) - my God! That is overkill!

New year Revolution? I guess that is before Royal Rumble (usually held in January) - my God! That is overkill!


I read in 2005 that WWF will go way overboard the PPVs.That's 2 in one month.That is way too much. ::)


Howard

nope.I don't think RAW will be like it used to be.It still sucks sometimes. ::)


Howard


Well if it does suck...it won't surprise me much

I read in 2005 that WWF will go way overboard the PPVs.That's 2 in one month.That is way too much. ::)


Yes, I heard that too. A Raw and Smackdown P-P-V every month! I very much doubt that is the way to increase revenue.

Yeah.. this is because survivor series got a 1.17 buy rate or something awful.. they wanna make lots of sheeshe PPV's and get the revnue by having lots...

Looks like JBL and Angle are gonna fued.. good... they wont have angle job to him

Yeah.. this is because survivor series got a 1.17 buy rate or something awful.. they wanna make lots of sheeshe PPV's and get the revnue by having lots...

Looks like JBL and Angle are gonna fued.. good... they wont have angle job to him


1.7 buy rate for The Survivor Series!?! Shocking! They want to make the whole thing a grand 4 on 4 elimination contests thing and then get enough decent tag teams to make those classic 10 team matches. I bet they won't get a 1.7 crappy buy-rate for that!

Yeah.. they so need to sort out the tag division.. i despair i really do.. they have had so many great opportunites and squanderd them. TNA is superb.. the cage match between Americas Most Wanted and Triple X was phenominal.. it was one of the greatest matches i have EVER SEEN!

Yes, I heard that too. A Raw and Smackdown P-P-V every month! I very much doubt that is the way to increase revenue.


Why would they flood the market with something there is no demand for?  I bet the cost of putting on the show will be more than they make (j/k... well probably :P)

I read somewhere that JBL will be champion for a while up until Wrestlemania.looks like were in for a long winter. ::)


Howard

Yeah.. this is because survivor series got a 1.17 buy rate or something awful.. they wanna make lots of sheeshe PPV's and get the revnue by having lots...

Looks like JBL and Angle are gonna fued.. good... they wont have angle job to him



sheeshti PPV's with PPV names and sheeshti matches make bad shows. >:(


Howard

Why would they flood the market with something there is no demand for?  I bet the cost of putting on the show will be more than they make (j/k... well probably :P)


I thought about this too, SkyLowLow. You are probably right. With the amount of money they pay on pyrotechnics and the like, I can't see how a P-P-V every two weeks is going to make this up. Especially when people will realise the whole idea is boring and will refuse to pay for it (me being one of them).

As for JBL, if he enters Wrestlemania in the main event, well . . . Forget Wrestlemania next year lads.  ;D

Yeah.. they so need to sort out the tag division.. i despair i really do.. they have had so many great opportunites and squanderd them. TNA is superb.. the cage match between Americas Most Wanted and Triple X was phenominal.. it was one of the greatest matches i have EVER SEEN!


The WWE tag team division has been pitiful ever since 1991 (tellingly, when The Hart Foundation split up after Wrestlemania 7). The main problem is that the WWE seem to lump any old Tom, Dick or Harry with each other and make the fans swallow it. I doubt we will ever have another Demolition, Rockers or Hart Foundation ever again because the whole thing is based on chemistry. If the chemistry or conviction isn't there between wrestlers then what's the point?

I long for the WWE tag team hey-dey of 1987/1988. Here is how much things have changed, at Royal Rumble 1989, 8 tag teams entered the battle royal and that's excluding The Hart Foundation and The Fabulous Rougeaus who had a 2-3 falls match the same night! That's some tag team rosta (admittedly, Hulk and Machoman were a tag team but at least, as The Megapowers, they were singles wrestlers who tagged up for a length of time for a reason).

I thought about this too, SkyLowLow. You are probably right. With the amount of money they pay on pyrotechnics and the like, I can't see how a P-P-V every two weeks is going to make this up. Especially when people will realise the whole idea is boring and will refuse to pay for it (me being one of them).

As for JBL, if he enters Wrestlemania in the main event, well . . . Forget Wrestlemania next year lads.  ;D


JBL is like HHH.a title hog. >:(


Howard

The WWE tag team division has been pitiful ever since 1991 (tellingly, when The Hart Foundation split up after Wrestlemania 7). The main problem is that the WWE seem to lump any old Tom, dip or Harry with each other and make the fans swallow it. I doubt we will ever have another Demolition, Rockers or Hart Foundation ever again because the whole thing is based on chemistry. If the chemistry or conviction isn't there between wrestlers then what's the point?

I long for the WWE tag team hey-dey of 1987/1988. Here is how much things have changed, at Royal Rumble 1989, 8 tag teams entered the battle royal and that's excluding The Hart Foundation and The Fabulous Rougeaus who had a 2-3 falls match the same night! That's some tag team rosta (admittedly, Hulk and Machoman were a tag team but at least, as The Megapowers, they were singles wrestlers who tagged up for a length of time for a reason).


tag teams seem to break up for some stupidass reason.EGOS! ::)


Howard

JBL is like HHH.a title hog. >:(


I don't believe he's a title hog as such but I certainly don't want to see him in the main event at Wrestlemania. He doesn't belong there.

I don't believe he's a title hog as such but I certainly don't want to see him in the main event at Wrestlemania. He doesn't belong there.



He's trying to keep the title without losing it.bad guys sometimes have a way of cheating. ::)


Howard

He's trying to keep the title without losing it.bad guys sometimes have a way of cheating. ::)


Yeah but he's got to take advantage of his push while he can. I doubt he will get another one.  ;D

Yeah but he's got to take advantage of his push while he can. I doubt he will get another one.  ;D


He beat 3 guys this past year.Eddie,Booker and Undertaker.


Howard

I think the WWE should be looking for a way to retire The Undertaker right now, otherwise he will end up like Terry Funk!  ;D

I think the WWE should be looking for a way to retire The Undertaker right now, otherwise he will end up like Terry Funk!  ;D


Mark Calloway has had it.his bad back and knees are probably killing him.I mean 15 freakin'years? ::)
I wonder how many more opponents does Undertaker have before retiring already? ::)


Howard

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/wwow/wwow-christmascreature/christmascreature0.jpg

The Christmas Creature (aka Glen Jacobs,Kane,Fake Diesel) ::)^


Howard

I think the WWE should be looking for a way to retire The Undertaker right now, otherwise he will end up like Terry Funk!  ;D


He's is still pretty popular, although I have noticed some backlash from the attempt to become undertaker again. Personally I don't think anyone is going to go the way of Terry Funk.  He's an anomally.

His matches are brutal, he has no cartalige in his knees, and he won't retire completely until he he can't walk.

Even then who knows  ;D  Amazing that I still like him, or maybe hat's why I do.

He's is still pretty popular, although I have noticed some backlash from the attempt to become undertaker again. Personally I don't think anyone is going to go the way of Terry Funk.  He's an anomally.

His matches are brutal, he has no cartalige in his knees, and he won't retire completely until he he can't walk.

Even then who knows  ;D  Amazing that I still like him, or maybe hat's why I do.



How many more matches does Undertaker have? What's next after his feud with Heindenreich?


Howard

How many more matches does Undertaker have? What's next after his feud with Heindenreich?


Howard


Uhhhh...??? Trish :P

Uhhhh...??? Trish :P


Well,I'm thinking after Heidenreich for a few more months then he'll take another few months off till Wrestlemania 21 then have a special retirement match to end his 15 years in the WWF.


Howard

Well,I'm thinking after Heidenreich for a few more months then he'll take another few months off till Wrestlemania 21 then have a special retirement match to end his 15 years in the WWF.


Howard


Really? Is it just a hunch or are their rumours going around?

Really? Is it just a hunch or are their rumours going around?



I guess it's a rumor right now but eventually we'll know soon enough.He doesn't have that many more matches to go anyway.
He's fighting Heidenreich tonight on a special edition of Smackdown in Iraq.


Howard

Well,I'm thinking after Heidenreich for a few more months then he'll take another few months off till Wrestlemania 21 then have a special retirement match to end his 15 years in the WWF.


It wouldn't be quite 15 years though, Howard. I am being a little pedantic but his debut was around November 1990. That means he ought to retire at The Survivor Series next year - and not come back as a biker.

It wouldn't be quite 15 years though, Howard. I am being a little pedantic but his debut was around November 1990. That means he ought to retire at The Survivor Series next year - and not come back as a biker.


Well I was just saying in 2005 it will be 15 years.I understand his debut was November 1990 so I'm thinking they should give him a good sendoff with a tribute to Mark Calloway(The Undertaker) on Smackdown.


Howard

Well I was just saying in 2005 it will be 15 years.I understand his debut was November 1990 so I'm thinking they should give him a good sendoff with a tribute to Mark Calloway(The Undertaker) on Smackdown.


The trouble with giving The Undertaker a send-off is that he is supposed to be a wrestler without sentiment or emotion, especially since he has reverted back to his old gimmick.

I think messing The Undertaker up with that 'Bad Ass' gimmick was the worst thing the WWE could have done with him. Even his special move looked inferior (The Tombstone was much more impressive than The Last Ride).

The trouble with giving The Undertaker a send-off is that he is supposed to be a wrestler without sentiment or emotion, especially since he has reverted back to his old gimmick.

I think messing The Undertaker up with that 'Bad a**' gimmick was the worst thing the WWE could have done with him. Even his special move looked inferior (The Tombstone was much more impressive than The Last Ride).


They're trying to make Undertaker look more like a zombie without any emotion but a year or 2 ago,I thought I saw him weeping or on Smackdown or maybe it was just me? ;D


Howard

They're trying to make Undertaker look more like a zombie without any emotion but a year or 2 ago,I thought I saw him weeping or on Smackdown or maybe it was just me? ;D


Continuity errors are always going to occur in wrestling. One of my favourites is the one between Jake Roberts and Rick Martel. The two feuded with a passion from 1990 to Wrestlemania 7. Come the run-up to Wrestlemania 8, who is on Jake Roberts side in a wrestling quiz? Rick Martel!

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/05/snaketaker1.jpg

Or how about when Jake Roberts beat up on the Undertaker in 1992? ;D

Howard

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/05/snaketaker1.jpg

Or how about when Jake Roberts beat up on the Undertaker in 1992? ;D


There was no continuity errors in that feud, Howard. It seemed that, at least in P-P-V, the two have not even met each other after Jake left the WWF after Wrestlemania 8 (even when Jake came back in 1996 and left around 1997).

There was no continuity errors in that feud, Howard. It seemed that, at least in P-P-V, the two have not even met each other after Jake left the WWF after Wrestlemania 8 (even when Jake came back in 1996 and left around 1997).



Jake Roberts came back briefly.8 years ago,he didn't look like himself.gained weight and bible-thumped.wound up in some miniscule feuds with Mankind,Justin Hawk Bradshaw and Jerry Lawler.Undertaker at the time was WWF champion or I think he was? ???



Howard

Jake Roberts came back briefly.8 years ago,he didn't look like himself.gained weight and bible-thumped.wound up in some miniscule feuds with Mankind,Justin Hawk Bradshaw and Jerry Lawler.Undertaker at the time was WWF champion or I think he was? ???


The 'alchoholic' feud with Jerry Lawler was pretty pathetic IMO.

I think Jake has lost a bit of weight since.

The 'alchoholic' feud with Jerry Lawler was pretty pathetic IMO.

I think Jake has lost a bit of weight since.


Probably from his crack habit.

Probably from his crack habit.


;D

;D


If I didn't say it someone else might have.  I just can't look at Jake the same way after watching 'Beyond the Mat'.

If I didn't say it someone else might have.  I just can't look at Jake the same way after watching 'Beyond the Mat'.


Yeah I saw that. I was a bit disconcerted too. I heard something about the fact that he avoids his daughter too.

Yeah I saw that. I was a bit disconcerted too. I heard something about the fact that he avoids his daughter too.


Basically after over 2 years of not seeing his daughter, Jake decides that he has to go to 'sleep' before he even talks to her.  The next day he talks to her for a short amount of time. She is a bitter physchology student who was ignored as a child.

My impression of either of them was lukewarm as people.  But to see Jake's relationship with his Dad was pretty strange and it goes to show that it's easier to be a father if you have one.

Other than that, he smokes crack in front of the camera and goes into a little monologue about his life and how he got there.  The movie does a piece on him coming to a small town and his thoughts on the locals meeting the 'Great' Jake "the Snake" Roberts. 

Overall, it was pretty entertaining.

My impression of either of them was lukewarm as people.  But to see Jake's relationship with his Dad was pretty strange and it goes to show that it's easier to be a father if you have one.


Yes, it takes a strong person to break the problematic negligent parent cycle.

The 'alchoholic' feud with Jerry Lawler was pretty pathetic IMO.

I think Jake has lost a bit of weight since.


Here is a picture of him from a few years ago.He's also balding. ;D

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/j/jakeroberts/21.jpg





Howard

Here is a picture of him from a few years ago.He's also balding. ;D

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/j/jakeroberts/21.jpg


Jake has been balding since 1989.  ;D

So,for 15 years he's been going bald? ;D




Howard

What was your favorite Jake Roberts storyline? mine was when he disrespected Undertaker by slamming his hand in the casket and DDT'd-ing Paul Bearer on the floor.


Howard

So,for 15 years he's been going bald? ;D


Roughly. It got more noticeable around 1990/1 though.

My favourite Jake Robert's storyline was definitely him against Rick Martel. There was a straight-forward motive (Martel squirted 'Arrogance' perfume in Jake's eyes) and followed up with Jake getting treated by a medic which culminated in The Blindfold Match at Wrestlemania 7. It wasn't what I would call a wrestling classic but it was certainly entertaining and an ideal way of blowing off the feud.

Roughly. It got more noticeable around 1990/1 though.

My favourite Jake Robert's storyline was definitely him against Rick Martel. There was a straight-forward motive (Martel squirted 'Arrogance' perfume in Jake's eyes) and followed up with Jake getting treated by a medic which culminated in The Blindfold Match at Wrestlemania 7. It wasn't what I would call a wrestling classic but it was certainly entertaining and an ideal way of blowing off the feud.


I thought Jake Roberts faking the eye injury was funny.



Howard

I thought Jake Roberts faking the eye injury was funny.


Ever the performer, he sold it very well.  :)

Ever the performer, he sold it very well.  :)



the Arrogance spray can was convincing. ;D


Howard

Ever the performer, he sold it very well.  :)


Yup, you gotta give him that.

Well,I thought of bringing back this topic from last year cause I know that Bobby enjoys wrestling and all the crappy gimmicks that have been seen on RAW and Smackdown lately. Mordecai,John Layfield,Bikini Contests,etc...I don't know what's going on with Vince but WWF is getting to be a borefest once again.The ratings seem to tumble more and no one's tuning in! I think Great American Bash should be called Great American Trash! >:( :P



Howard


Wrestling today is pure crap. Give me the Von Erichs/FreeBirds, Iceman King Parsons, etc any day of the week.....wrestling back in those days proved you didn't need a cheesy gimmick or stupid storyline to sell a match.

Vince relys waaaaay too much on "eye candy" (the divas) to distract us from the fact that the finished product sucks.

Heh heh. I'm just repeating the angst that almost every true wrestling fan has while watching the WWE and now defunct WCW. I just started watching wrestling NWA-TNA on TWC and I am concerned that it is heading in the same way WCW did - In fact, there are a few similarities it's quite uncanny (Mike Tenay announcing, Jeff Jarrett's control over the federation etc). I may be behind on things but there was a big build-up to a Jeff Jarrett/AJ Styles match for a P-P-V but it was executed so ridiculously, that I was put off the match (Jeff Jarrett unconvincingly storming into a radio show and beating up a disc-jockey and millions of interviews from wrestlers that are hardly involved in the match took place in strange surroundings . . .) With a bit more thought, subtlety and a sense of adventure, this match could have been booked to an explosive conclusion.

I have started to get into the Japanese wrestling (especially NOAH and New Japan). These guys do wrestling in a big way - the intensity is incredible and it looks like they put the wrestling before pandering to the crowd.  ;)


It's my opinion that the low-budget federations (the indy feds) do a better show than WWE. They have to rely on their wrestling skills, whereas WWE could just have the divas dance around for 2 hours, and still get the same results as before because of "brand marketing".

I'm sorry but I think silly gimmicks should be done away with.Such as guys like Mordecai,Eugene,Hurricane and Rosey & Bradshaw.What do you guys think? ???



Howard


Well stated.....Eugene is just another generic "lunatic". Hurricane looks like a page from a Marvel comic book (which is where it should remain).....I have a hard time taking anybody named "Rosey" seriously.

At least John Layfeld is going by his given name.

It's my opinion that the low-budget federations (the indy feds) do a better show than WWE. They have to rely on their wrestling skills, whereas WWE could just have the divas dance around for 2 hours, and still get the same results as before because of "brand marketing".


Ring of Honor and FWA are pretty good and I enjoy watching the Japanese wrestling. They put on a better show than the WWE has done as of late (to the point of not caring about the P-P-Vs). However, as usual I look forward to The Royal Rumble - which has got better in recent years (despite still being as predictable as ever).

Ring of Honor and FWA are pretty good and I enjoy watching the Japanese wrestling. They put on a better show than the WWE has done as of late (to the point of not caring about the P-P-Vs). However, as usual I look forward to The Royal Rumble - which has got better in recent years (despite still being as predictable as ever).


It seems like the staple of WWE PPVs are diva cat-fights, or the bra-and-panty matches.

Wrestling today is pure crap. Give me the Von Erichs/FreeBirds, Iceman King Parsons, etc any day of the week.....wrestling back in those days proved you didn't need a cheesy gimmick or stupid storyline to sell a match.

Vince relys waaaaay too much on "eye candy" (the divas) to distract us from the fact that the finished product sucks.



The only eye candy in WWF these days is Trish,Victoria,Tori,Dawn Marie & Miss Jackie.everything else just about sucks. :P






Howard

It seems like the staple of WWE PPVs are diva cat-fights, or the bra-and-panty matches.



Well,Vince gets a hard-on for those types of matches.He probably watches them backstage on those big monitors while his wife is away. ;D




Howard

Who saw The Great Debate with Jerry Lawler and Muhammad Hussan last night on RAW?
It's stupid and Jim Ross didn't even deserve to get the crap beat out of him since it was his birthday yesterday.
Jerry Lawler seems like he's always been shooting his mouth off more now that he's a face character. ::)





Howard

Who saw The Great Debate with Jerry Lawler and Muhammad Hussan last night on RAW?
It's stupid and Jim Ross didn't even deserve to get the crap beat out of him since it was his birthday yesterday.
Jerry Lawler seems like he's always been shooting his mouth off more now that he's a face character. ::)





Howard


When did he go from beating up Andy Kaufman to saying "boobies, puppies, etc..?"

Oh yeah, that's right, when he couldn't wrestle anymore.

Give me Bobby "The brain, The weasle, Boobsie" Heenan anyday.  I guess it could be worse though, we could have Al Snow on the mic all the time :)

When did he go from beating up Andy Kaufman to saying "boobies, puppies, etc..?"

Oh yeah, that's right, when he couldn't wrestle anymore.

Give me Bobby "The brain, The weasle, Boobsie" Heenan anyday.  I guess it could be worse though, we could have Al Snow on the mic all the time :)



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/03/kingtorrie.jpg





Here is Jerry with a bikini clad Tori Wilson from a PPV.I can betcha he had a hard-on after the show.him and Vince work well together. ::)



Howard

It seems like the staple of WWE PPVs are diva cat-fights, or the bra-and-panty matches.


Yeah. The sexual orientation of the WWE started around 1998 when the 'Attitude' era began. Sable and Deborah McMichael started the whole thing off. I used to hate Deborah's teasing because, the way I saw it, it's half-way house. Either they do what they suggest they are going to do or don't show it. The WWE are wanting their demographic cake and eating it.

Yeah. The sexual orientation of the WWE started around 1998 when the 'Attitude' era began. Sable and Deborah McMichael started the whole thing off. I used to hate Deborah's teasing because, the way I saw it, it's half-way house. Either they do what they suggest they are going to do or don't show it. The WWE are wanting their demographic cake and eating it.



and also that stupid HLA garbage with lesbians few years ago. ::)



Howard

and also that stupid HLA garbage with lesbians few years ago. ::)


Yes, that was when using divas really jumped the shark.  ;D

Yes, that was when using divas really jumped the shark.  ;D



and the crowd always chanted HLA,HLA,HLA ::)


Howard

and the crowd always chanted HLA,HLA,HLA ::)


Howard


Small Explaination Boys?

I missed that one.

Small Explaination Boys?

I missed that one.


Eric Bischoff always mentioned it on RAW as HOT LESBIAN ACTION.But,there was no HLA at all.those girls were complete phonies to begin with.I don't even know how lesbians and The WWF even mixed years ago? ::)


Howard

Who thought that Sable and Tori were lesbians on Smackdown when Tori was teasing Sable with her lollipop and making her suck it and rubbing it against her breasts? Wasn't that storyline ridiculous? ::)






Howard

Who thought that Sable and Tori were lesbians on Smackdown when Tori was teasing Sable with her lollipop and making her suck it and rubbing it against her breasts? Wasn't that storyline ridiculous? ::)


Would you believe the plots involving sex haven't got any better?  ;D

Would you believe the plots involving sex haven't got any better?  ;D


They still suck(no pun intended) >:(


you had angles involving pregnancy,lesbians,penis jokes with DX and some others. ::)




Howard

They still suck(no pun intended) >:(


It probably would get more interesting if they did.  ;D

It probably would get more interesting if they did.  ;D



the ratings would be much higher than what it is right now.



Howard

Who thought that Sable and Tori were lesbians on Smackdown when Tori was teasing Sable with her lollipop and making her suck it and rubbing it against her breasts? Wasn't that storyline ridiculous? ::)






Howard


Prolly the same people who enjoyed the Val Venus skits (remember "land of the Rising Venus")?

Prolly the same people who enjoyed the Val Venus skits (remember "land of the Rising Venus")?


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/v/valvenis/04.jpg


or how about this picture? ::)




Howard

Anyone remember when Foley accidentaly unvieled Val's Member to the world  :o

Anyone remember when Foley accidentaly unvieled Val's Member to the world  :o



Was there actually a storyline to this? :o I don't think I remember. ;D





Howard

Val stole Mr Socko and had him in his tights.. Mick pulled mr socko out and as Foley so brilliantly put it unvieled Val's Mr Cocko.

Val stole Mr Socko and had him in his tights.. Mick pulled mr socko out and as Foley so brilliantly put it unvieled Val's Mr Cocko.




Oh,I see.I guess that storyline died out later. ;D




Howard

Me Thinks yes

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/02/battleroyal.jpg


speaking of the Rumble,anyone remember this one?^


Howard

Not sure.. what are they all looking at... is that the one HHH won?

Not sure.. what are they all looking at... is that the one HHH won?



yes.I think it is. 2002.





Howard

Ok i thought so.. cus that's the only one where Hogan appeared in his ridiculous red and white jumpsuit

Ok i thought so.. cus that's the only one where Hogan appeared in his ridiculous red and white jumpsuit



Hogan never got to win the rumble that day.poor guy. ;D




Howard

Hogan.. meh... the less said the better really.

Hogan.. meh... the less said the better really.



they said he might appear at Wrestlemania 21. ::)



Howard

Hopefully against Flair.. so Flair could kick his ass!

Hopefully against Flair.. so Flair could kick his a**!


It's so funny how you have a thing against Hogan but Flairs your man.

It's like comparing crap to s**t, I don't care what anyone says.

LOL...

Flair isn't my man... in fact im sure you will be able to find one or two posts where i rag on him.. it's just that he is the logical opponent for Hogan (in my opinion).

There is no way you can say Flair isn't talented, yeah he is past it now, but it pisses me off to this day that Hogan the moving sack of crap recives accolade after accolade because he was shoved down peoples throats whereas Flair was pushed to the back when Wrestling went mainstream and wasn't bought to the forefront again until he was reaching the end of his career.

Flair vs Steamboat is arguably the greatest match EVER... compare that to some of Hogans apparent greatest matches. The Ultimate challenge was good in my opinion.. because Warrior made it good.. Hogan was always Flairs lesser.. it just seems that the powers that used to be didnt figure that out.

LOL...

Flair isn't my man... in fact im sure you will be able to find one or two posts where i rag on him.. it's just that he is the logical opponent for Hogan (in my opinion).

There is no way you can say Flair isn't talented, yeah he is past it now, but it pisses me off to this day that Hogan the moving sack of crap recives accolade after accolade because he was shoved down peoples throats whereas Flair was pushed to the back when Wrestling went mainstream and wasn't bought to the forefront again until he was reaching the end of his career.

Flair vs Steamboat is arguably the greatest match EVER... compare that to some of Hogans apparent greatest matches. The Ultimate challenge was good in my opinion.. because Warrior made it good.. Hogan was always Flairs lesser.. it just seems that the powers that used to be didnt figure that out.


I absolutely think Falir is one of the most over-hyped wrestlers today.  I really do not appreciate what he or his company stood at the time when he was most lucrative.  The way I figure it, he was a champion so many times because he was such a company stooge that he might have been the most trust-worthy to put-over when needed.

In fact, I have the Steamboat vs. Flair match on my computer and while it was good, I wouldn't place either Hogan or Flair anywhere near the top of my list in my favorite technical matches.  As much as it might frustrate you Flair never has or never will receive the kind of Pop that Hogan did. Which just goes to show why wrestling is so great to watch, there are so many things that you can look for and respect in wrestlers.

So instead of discussing this topic, which will debated forever I suppose, lets compile some of our own favorite moments:

Best "Pop" in a match:

- Hogan vs. Rock (Crowd Reaction = Absolutely Shocking)
- Goldberg vs. Nash (Goldberg's first loss, Nash received huge credibility and hatred for the cheat)
- Flair vs Steamboat (Lot of good matches, title change being the best)
- Santana vs. Hammer (For the IC, crowd was more nervous than boisterous, until the title changed)
- Shawn Michaels vs. Anyone (Love him or Hate him, everyone knew where they stood)
- Hogan vs. Andre the Giant WM III (Andre was all but crippled, fortunately the crowd did not know how much)
- Demolition vs. Strike Force ( I actually watched this title change on television!  Can you beleive that!)
- Hogan vs. Warrior (Title change in the middle of the ring, the crowd erupted for Warrior)
- Undertaker vs. Mankind Hell in the Cell (We can still hear about it constantly)
- Superfly Snuka vs. Don Maraco Steel Cage (The one where Snuka jumped off the top of the cage)


Best "Technical Matches:

- Jerhico vs. HHH (For the United Title)
- Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels 3 falls match (Great, great Match)
- Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart Steel Cage for title
- Sgt. Slaughter vs. Pat Patterson (can't remember the name of this one but it's a 'bloody' classic)
- Eddie vs. Chavo (they just have chemistry working together or against each other)


Worst Title Holders:

- JBL (Not too many gonna argue with me on this one)
- CCC (Apple shmapple... or should I say Apple Snapple?)
- Bob Backlund (Man oh man was wrestling hurting when this man was at the thrown)

Best Heavyweight Title Holders:

- Flair (Let the Flair vs. Hogan debates continue)
- Hogan (or let them stop, either way I'm happy)
- Harley Race
- Bruno Sammartino

Best IC Title Holders:

- Shawn Michaels
- Bret Hart
- 70's/80's Tito Santana
- Ultimate Warrior

Add or subtract to this, anyone :)

Some other amazing Technical Matches.. ok

Take your pick of Super Crazy vs Tajiri matches from the mid to late 90's in ECW
Juventued Guerrera vs Rey Mysterio at Big Ass Extreme Bash
Savage vs Steamboat... this one told an amazing story as the match went on
Dusty Rhodes vs Tully Blanchard (again there are several great ones the best being there ladder match in '87)
I can think of loads from Japan (where technical wrestling takes the front seat whilst 'sports entertainment' takes the back seat)
These involve Jericho, Malenko (arguably one of the best technicals ever) Jerry Lynn and others...

Some other amazing Technical Matches.. ok

Take your pick of Super Crazy vs Tajiri matches from the mid to late 90's in ECW
Juventued Guerrera vs Rey Mysterio at Big a** Extreme Bash
Savage vs Steamboat... this one told an amazing story as the match went on
Dusty Rhodes vs Tully Blanchard (again there are several great ones the best being there ladder match in '87)
I can think of loads from Japan (where technical wrestling takes the front seat whilst 'sports entertainment' takes the back seat)
These involve Jericho, Malenko (arguably one of the best technicals ever) Jerry Lynn and others...


Amazing how I could forget about guys like Malenko when I'm putting down technical matches.

But I just wouldn't have the time to put in all the exceptional lightweight matches I have witnessed over the years.  My favorites continue to be Ultimo Dragon and Psychosis.

ah yes... Psychosis.. see i have never been a fan of Ultimo Dragon.. he is kind of in between lightweight speed and middle weight technicality.. a lot like him.. the best dragon of course is american dragon.

You seen any of his matches?

ah yes... Psychosis.. see i have never been a fan of Ultimo Dragon.. he is kind of in between lightweight speed and middle weight technicality.. a lot like him.. the best dragon of course is american dragon.

You seen any of his matches?



I've seen Ultimo Dragon in WWF on Smackdown and that's about it.didn't see him anywhere else.



Howard

He wrestled in Japan Howard.. but was given a lot more freedom i think... he seems stiffled on SD!

Hopefully against Flair.. so Flair could kick his a**!



Hogan and Brooke vs.Stephanie and Vince at Wrestlemania 21. ::)



Howard

He wrestled in Japan Howard.. but was given a lot more freedom i think... he seems stiffled on SD!



probably that's why they fired him. ::)




Howard

Hogan & Brooke :o ARRRRGGHHHHHH!!!!

I'd like to see Hogan v Flair or Foley v Flair

Looks like Abyss from TNA will be joining the Smackdown ranks

Hogan & Brooke :o ARRRRGGHHHHHH!!!!

I'd like to see Hogan v Flair or Foley v Flair

Looks like Abyss from TNA will be joining the Smackdown ranks



Well,Hogan and Brooke as tag team is just a rumor right now.If it is,I want Hogan to kick Vince's ass just once more time for good measures. ;D



Howard

No No No.. other way round.. I want Vince to kick Hogans ass.. embaress him in front of the dozens and dozens  ;) of Hulkamaniacs

No No No.. other way round.. I want Vince to kick Hogans a**.. embaress him in front of the dozens and dozens  ;) of Hulkamaniacs



Well Al,we'll see what kind of crap matches they'll give us this time.I'm hoping some legends will show up at this Wrestlemania.




Howard

Im sure we'll get some 'legends'

Hogan never got to win the rumble that day.poor guy. ;D


That's because he didn't enter it. That picture of yours with Hogan in it must have been after the Rumble.

That's because he didn't enter it. That picture of yours with Hogan in it must have been after the Rumble.



Yeah.I think it was. ;D




Howard

Some other amazing Technical Matches.. ok

Take your pick of Super Crazy vs Tajiri matches from the mid to late 90's in ECW
Juventued Guerrera vs Rey Mysterio at Big a** Extreme Bash
Savage vs Steamboat... this one told an amazing story as the match went on


You got that right, Andy.  :D

Here are some more classics for people to get a look at it (if not seen already . . .)

Hart Foundation V Brain Busters (Summerslam 1989 - opening match for crying out loud!)
Rockers V Orient Express (Royal Rumble 1991 - opening match again for crying out loud - what is the matter with WWF/E?)
Bret Hart V Gosh! Mr Perfect (Summerslam 1991) Roddy Piper (Wrestlemania 8) British Bulldog (Summerslam 1992)
Roddy Piper V 'Ravashing' Rick Rude - Cage match (Saturday Night Main Event)
Bret Hart V Owen Hart (Wrestlemania 10)

WCW

Four man match (I think it was Juventud Guerrero, Blitzkreig, Psychosis and Billy Kidman) - Nitro

ECW

Chris Candido V Tommy Rogers (November to Remember 1997)
Almost anything with Jerry Lynn in it
Almost anything with Rob Van Dam in it
Scaffold match - Tommy Dreamer V 'Prime Time' Brian Lee (1996 I think)
Super Crazy V Yoshiro Tajiri V Little Guido (I think this was Anarchy Rulz 1999 but Guilty as Charged 1999 was a cracker as well!)

Im sure we'll get some 'legends'



Jimmy Snuka,Bob Backlund,Sgt.Slaughter,etc...




Howard

Jimmy Snuka,Bob Backlund,Sgt.Slaughter,etc...


Forget Backlund, Howard - He really is awful!  ;D

I would love to see Greg Valentine wrestle one more match and maybe . . .

Ted Dibiase (though I doubt that would happen)
'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan
'Machoman' Randy Savage
Bret 'Hitman' Hart

Bret could still be possible.. although i wouldn't count on it.

We'll get Jesse V again.. he always turns out.. im just waiting for when he runs for President.. saaaaahweet. I'd vote for him.. We do need a wrestler in the white house.

Bret could still be possible.. although i wouldn't count on it.

There have been rumours. I'm not sure. I believe it would depend on how badly Bret needs the money.

We'll get Jesse V again.. he always turns out.. im just waiting for when he runs for President.. saaaaahweet. I'd vote for him.. We do need a wrestler in the white house.

I dunno, there seems to be right motley crew of people in government in USA. Mickey Mouse will stand for president next.

Anyway, I will stress this is a wrestling thread and will deliberately ignore politics here.  ;)

Indeed it is.. no Politics.

Bob.. were you an ECW fan.. i may have a deal for you.. I am selling a load of ECW Videos.. along with some other wrestling DVD's and Video's.. PM me if your interested.

Indeed it is.. no Politics.

Bob.. were you an ECW fan.. i may have a deal for you.. I am selling a load of ECW Videos.. along with some other wrestling DVD's and Video's.. PM me if your interested.


I am an ECW fan, Andy but I have a ton of ECW videos/DVDs already (wardrobe full). What DVDs do you have?

I mainly have WWF/E DVD's... PPV's generally.. last 3 Wrestlemania's etc

I mainly have WWF/E DVD's... PPV's generally.. last 3 Wrestlemania's etc


Hmm I will have to decline your offer and I will tell you why. There is this relatively new thing called 'Tagged Classics' that has come out which features two P-P-V events on each DVD. I think I will work on those for the moment.

Thanks anyway.  :)

Yeah i have seen those as well... Double Summerslam, Survivor Series, Mania and KOTR

There have been rumours. I'm not sure. I believe it would depend on how badly Bret needs the money.



Bret's fine for money, he's actually doing very well in a Canadian production of Alladin that has gotten good reviews and he is constantly on television.  He is really a homegrown hero up here.

He has, in fact, squashed his fued with MacMahon. To his credit, Vince came by to see Bret a few times since Owen, and then after Bret's bike accident that caused his stroke.  They were recently in negotiations for a Bret Hart DVD, which should be coming out sometime soon. Vince needs to do something to help rinse the bad taste in most of Canadian's mouth since SS 97' and having Hart in the next Wrestlemania woud be nice.  But, since he will never wrestle again (one thing I am sure of) they need to find a decent place for him.

I bet Vince didn't have a clue that doing to Bret what he has done to countless other wrestlers would have had such terrible reprocussions, but it did here.

So you definately can't fully count out the Hitman.

Yeah i have seen those as well... Double Summerslam, Survivor Series, Mania and KOTR


They are excellent. I have all of them to date (except the Fab Four/Manchester double because I think that is rubbish and won't help my collection one little bit).

I have Wrestlemania 1 - 4 on DVD, Royal Rumble 1989 - 1992, King of the Ring 1993 - 1994, Survivor Series 1987 & 1988, Summerslam 1988 & 1989 and In Your House 1 and 2. I'm looking forward to the end of February because that's when Wrestlemania's 5 & 6 come out (at last - I'm sure 'Mania 7 & 8 will follow shortly).

He has, in fact, squashed his fued with MacMahon. To his credit, Vince came by to see Bret a few times since Owen, and then after Bret's bike accident that caused his stroke.  They were recently in negotiations for a Bret Hart DVD, which should be coming out sometime soon. Vince needs to do something to help rinse the bad taste in most of Canadian's mouth since SS 97' and having Hart in the next Wrestlemania woud be nice.  But, since he will never wrestle again (one thing I am sure of) they need to find a decent place for him.

I bet Vince didn't have a clue that doing to Bret what he has done to countless other wrestlers would have had such terrible reprocussions, but it did here.

So you definately can't fully count out the Hitman.


It all sounds promising. I would look forward to seeing an appearance of The Hitman just as a closure thing (a bit like 'Big' John Studd's appearance at Wrestlemania 5 or Andre the Giant's appearance at Wrestlemania 7).

HBK Hart anybody  ::)

HBK Hart anybody   ::)


It would be nice to see one last match between the pair. I think my favourite match of theirs was probably Survivor Series 1992 when the whole idea of two men, both leaving their tag team careers behind, to face each other for the IC title.

I am one of the rare people that didn't think their iron man match at Wrestlemania 12 was the best ever.

Don't worry you aren't alone. The Ironman match was a good match.. but that's it.. for me Benoit - HHH - HBK did more to please.

I have heard rumors that Vince wants Foley v Flair.. whats the bet Foley is forced to put over Flair?

Don't ya'll worry if you didn't order New Years Rev.. as long as i'm awake i'll make updates

Tyson Tomko & Christian vs. Eugene & William Regal

The event kicks off LIVE from Puerto Rico.(heads up Carlos) Tyson Tomko and Christian are making their way to the ring to get this night underway. William Regal & Eugene are next out to the ring. It looks like there is a nice crowd on hand tonight for the Pay Per view.

Eugene is in the ring and is terrorizing Christian and gives him a wedgie. Eugene has on a “Hulkster” shirt. Christian finally gets it going and attacks Eugene and then locks on a side headlock. Eugene is all over the ring, running around outside saying hello to the fans among other things. Eugene finally gets back in the ring where he knocks Tomko out of the ring and almost rolls up Christian. He then goes for the airplane spin. Tomko finally gets in while the ref is distracted and knocks Eugene to the ground and now Christian takes control of the match.

Tomko gets the tag and he is now back in the ring. Quickly Christian is back in the ring and he “hulk” up and blocks Christian’s offensive attempts. He then makes the tag to William Regal, but Regal runs into Tomko who almost takes his head off with a big clothesline.

Tomko then lands an elbow and goes for a quick cover, but Regal is able to kick out. Tomko now isolates Regal in the corner with his front face lock and takes control of the match. Regal’s nose is busted open. Ross comments that he would be surprised if it was not broken. Regal is still in trouble as Christian and Tomko continue to work on him. Tomko hits a back body flip. Regal continues to bleed out of his nose. Regal finally gets a knee up and gets some offense, but Christian gets in a cheap shot which stops all of that.

Regal almost gets a tag, but he is pulled back in the ring by Tomko. Regal again gets free and is trying to get to the right corner to make the tag. Regal just can’t make the tag. He keeps going to the wrong corner. Regal is barely able to stand, but somehow makes a tag to Eugene.

Eugene is in the ring and scoring with several right hands as he ducks a clothesline. He then hits a dropkick. Eugene looks like he hurt his leg as he is barely able to get the rollup pin to retain the title for his team. That ending seemed to be botched, so Eugene may have really hurt his leg in that match.

Winner: William Regal & Eugene

Sounds rivetting.  ::)

Bret could still be possible.. although i wouldn't count on it.

We'll get Jesse V again.. he always turns out.. im just waiting for when he runs for President.. saaaaahweet. I'd vote for him.. We do need a wrestler in the white house.


Jesse Ventura is definitely a possibility.




Howard

They show Christy Hemme outside by the pool in her bikini earlier today talking about everyone being down in Puerto Rico.

King and Ross talk about the upcoming Women’s Championship match, that looks like it will be up next.

Trish comes out wearing all black and looking very nice and she is followed by Lita who is wearing a pink top with camo pants.

Lita vs. Trish Stratus

Lita quickly sends Trish over the ropes and out to the floor. Lita takes a huge leap through the ropes and now she is holding her knee. No offense, but Lita’s boobs are about to pop out of her top as you can see below. I can’t tell if Lita really hurt her leg, but it looks like it may also be a legit injury as she can barely stand also.

Trish is now hammering away on Lita’s other leg in the middle of the ring. Trish goes for a quick cover, but Lita is able to kick out. They continue to show the replay of the injury to Lita. It looks like it may be legit. Trish then quickly pins Lita now. It looks like the injury may be legit as Lita was not even able to stand up. People are now out in the ring looking at Lita’s leg.

Winner: Trish

Not sure if that was a botched match either, but I would be willing to bet that Lita is hurt. That match was VERY quick as you can take a look at the replay and see where her leg buckles. They are trying to help her out of the ring as I type this now.

Back outside we see Maria taking off her clothes by the pool. We get a good look at her. Backstage we see Edge trying to convince Eric Bischoff to let him out of the Elimination Chamber tonight and let Christian in his place, but only under the circumstances that Edge gets a shot at the title tomorrow night on RAW. Bischoff says NO. Edge argues that there is no way HBK will let him win this match tonight. We then see HBK walk backstage, saying he is gonna call tonight’s match down the middle.

Shelton Benjamin vs. Maven

Shelton Benjamin makes his way down to the ring. Maven makes his way down to the ring next for this IC Title matchup. It appears that Eugene’s injury was legit. Ross just announced he has a dislocated kneecap. You can check out the injury via the live images below. As this match gets started, Shelton gets the fans into the match as they start to really get on Maven’s case. Maven gets out of the ring and walks around the outside.

Maven goes and gets on the microphone. He says that he can’t understand what they are saying? He tell’s Shelton he will deal with him in a minute. Maven then makes fun of the crowd and say’s he will talk real slow for them. He tells the crowd he can’t concentrate with them screaming. This is nothing more than a time killer if you ask me. They are running short on time because of the previous two injuries that occured. Maven continues to mouth off saying he is gonna leave the ring etc…

Maven pretends that he is leaving and then quickly jumps back in the ring, but as he does, he is rolled up and pinned by Shelton. That was VERY quick.

Winner: Shelton Benjamin

Maven then gets on the microphone and say’s that did not happen. He want’s a REMATCH right now. He then taunts Benjamin saying they now have “two women’s champions.” Maven acts like he is disgusted because of what has happened. Shelton starts to walk back towards the ring. Shelton runs back to the ring and hits a T-Bone suplex and defeats Maven again!

Winner: Shelton Benjamin

Looks like they are giving the Elimination chamber plenty of time

Bret's fine for money, he's actually doing very well in a Canadian production of Alladin that has gotten good reviews and he is constantly on television.  He is really a homegrown hero up here.

He has, in fact, squashed his fued with MacMahon. To his credit, Vince came by to see Bret a few times since Owen, and then after Bret's bike accident that caused his stroke.  They were recently in negotiations for a Bret Hart DVD, which should be coming out sometime soon. Vince needs to do something to help rinse the bad taste in most of Canadian's mouth since SS 97' and having Hart in the next Wrestlemania woud be nice.  But, since he will never wrestle again (one thing I am sure of) they need to find a decent place for him.

I bet Vince didn't have a clue that doing to Bret what he has done to countless other wrestlers would have had such terrible reprocussions, but it did here.

So you definately can't fully count out the Hitman.



I doubt if Bret will show up.I'd like to see him punch out Vince for good measure. ;D



Howard

are they up to Jerry Lawler vs.Muhammad Hassan?




Howard

more or less

So far Lita is injured... her leg buckled bad... and Eugene looks like he twisted his knee... this dosent look good.

Three pretty fast matches.. well thats ok with any luck they will give the Elimination Chamber 50-60 mins

What's up with these matches, Andy? If an elimination chamber match is what we are getting, it better be a good one.  :-\\

So far Lita is injured... her leg buckled bad... and Eugene looks like he twisted his knee... this dosent look good.

Three pretty fast matches.. well thats ok with any luck they will give the Elimination Chamber 50-60 mins



They're gonna give The Elimination Chamber 1 hour? :o



Howard

What's up with these matches, Andy? If an elimination chamber match is what we are getting, it better be a good one.  :-\\


We don't need no screwjob ending. ::)



Howard

It will be somewhat of a screw.. special ref matches always are.

Well considering that 3 matches have already come and gone and there is only Kane v Snitksy left as a real match. Hassan vs Lawler won't go on more than 10 minuets.. i can assume we shall see an hour or so long main event. Superb.. WWE aren't totally stupid, they know that all this PPV is.. is the elimination chamber the fueds have been built up for months and that they can't screw with it.

We don't need no screwjob ending. ::)


I'm so glad I'm not paying to see this pathetic showing.  ;D

Hassan vs. Jerry Lawler

Hassan hits the ring first, followed by Jerry Lawler. J.R. has left the announce booth, so we have no announcer for this match, which is weird. Lawler gets in a bit of offense as this match starts off slowly. The King is able to get in some offense. Hassan tries to take the turnbuckle off the top rope, but as he does, Lawler rolls him up. The ref was distracted so he was unable to make a count.

Hassan now gets advantage in the match and goes for a quick cover, but Lawler is able to kick out.

Hassan now hooks Lawler into a submission move in the middle of the ring. It looks to be a version of the camel clutch, but he lets Lawler out of it. He then continues to beat down Lawler.

Hassan goes for a cover, but Lawler is able to kick out. Hassan now hits a suplex in the middle of the ring for another cover. Lawler finally begins to fight out, but as he does Hassan counters and again goes for another cover attempt. Hassan then hooks on a reverse neck breaker as Lawler is laid out in the middle of the ring. Hassan then sends Lawler into the turnbuckle and the crowd begins to chant boring, as this match is very slow paced.

Hassan nails Lawler with a right hand, but Lawler fights it off and looks upset. He begins to “hulk” up and nails Hassan with a few bigshots. Lawler then hits a nice dropkick. Lawler goes to the second rope and hits Hassan, but Hassan is able to kick out.

Lawler almost gets a 3 count, but Hassan gets a leg on the rope. Lawler then goes on the outside, but gets distracted and when he gets back in the ring is decked and covered for three.

Winner: Hussan


Yeah less than 10 mins

Wow! What an end result. Lawler will rarely job to people. Still, sounds like a crappy match though.

Hassan vs. Jerry Lawler

Hassan hits the ring first, followed by Jerry Lawler. J.R. has left the announce booth, so we have no announcer for this match, which is weird. Lawler gets in a bit of offense as this match starts off slowly. The King is able to get in some offense. Hassan tries to take the turnbuckle off the top rope, but as he does, Lawler rolls him up. The ref was distracted so he was unable to make a count.

Hassan now gets advantage in the match and goes for a quick cover, but Lawler is able to kick out.

Hassan now hooks Lawler into a submission move in the middle of the ring. It looks to be a version of the camel clutch, but he lets Lawler out of it. He then continues to beat down Lawler.

Hassan goes for a cover, but Lawler is able to kick out. Hassan now hits a suplex in the middle of the ring for another cover. Lawler finally begins to fight out, but as he does Hassan counters and again goes for another cover attempt. Hassan then hooks on a reverse neck breaker as Lawler is laid out in the middle of the ring. Hassan then sends Lawler into the turnbuckle and the crowd begins to chant boring, as this match is very slow paced.

Hassan nails Lawler with a right hand, but Lawler fights it off and looks upset. He begins to “hulk” up and nails Hassan with a few bigshots. Lawler then hits a nice dropkick. Lawler goes to the second rope and hits Hassan, but Hassan is able to kick out.

Lawler almost gets a 3 count, but Hassan gets a leg on the rope. Lawler then goes on the outside, but gets distracted and when he gets back in the ring is decked and covered for three.

Winner: Hussan


Yeah less than 10 mins



Lawler's an idiot.What the hell is with these distractions in wrestling these days? >:(


Howard

Well now the elimination chamber was an amazing match right.. however.. have a wild guess who won... ohhh dosen't take much guessing to say TRIPLE H does it.. Bullsheesh my friends.. we now know for sure who controls this promotion.

Going in to this match he has consistantly been getting no crowd reaction, his ring work has been stiff and his promos have been lacking. Yeah yeah you can say oh well HHH is the standard bearer, he will have to be in the mania main event. Yeah whatever, face it, there are a good 6-7 people who are.. for lack of better words.. BETTER! Than he is.

Haitch, we are all on to your game.. drop it.

Well now the elimination chamber was an amazing match right.. however.. have a wild guess who won... ohhh dosen't take much guessing to say TRIPLE H does it.. balony my friends.. we now know for sure who controls this promotion.

Going in to this match he has consistantly been getting no crowd reaction, his ring work has been stiff and his promos have been lacking. Yeah yeah you can say oh well HHH is the standard bearer, he will have to be in the mania main event. Yeah whatever, face it, there are a good 6-7 people who are.. for lack of better words.. BETTER! Than he is.

Haitch, we are all on to your game.. drop it.


Just wanna say thanks man... that was a great play-by-play...

...not like you could have done anythign with the elimination chamber without taking 4 pages :P

Well now the elimination chamber was an amazing match right.. however.. have a wild guess who won... ohhh dosen't take much guessing to say TRIPLE H does it.. balony my friends.. we now know for sure who controls this promotion.

Going in to this match he has consistantly been getting no crowd reaction, his ring work has been stiff and his promos have been lacking. Yeah yeah you can say oh well HHH is the standard bearer, he will have to be in the mania main event. Yeah whatever, face it, there are a good 6-7 people who are.. for lack of better words.. BETTER! Than he is.

Haitch, we are all on to your game.. drop it.



HHH always finds a sneaky way to keep and hold on to his precious WWF title.like anyone gives a rat's a-s-s anymore! >:(



Howard

I bet Batista will turn on HHH tonight and set the match up for Wrestlemania 21. Batista vs.Hunter Hearst Helmsley.What do you guys think?




Howard

My Prediction is Hunter vs Batista vs Orton in a Triple threat match

Either Batista or Orton will win the Royal Rumble and not suprisingly Haitch will carry the strap to Mania.

My Prediction is Hunter vs Batista vs Orton in a Triple threat match

Either Batista or Orton will win the Royal Rumble and not suprisingly Haitch will carry the strap to Mania.



or The Evolution break up with Hunter vs.Batista vs.Orton vs.Flair.How about this one? ;D



Howard

Woooooo... nah they will want Flair in some sort of Legend match

Woooooo... nah they will want Flair in some sort of Legend match



Evolution will have to break up someday so why not do it at Wrestlemania? ;D




Howard

Well i think Evolution will begin to break up in the next month and then at Mania.. it will explode

Well i think Evolution will begin to break up in the next month and then at Mania.. it will explode



Batista has becoming more popular with the fans and so has HHH in some way.



Howard

I'd like to see HHH Turn face but take a step out of the limelight but as long as he is married to steph.. he will run the show

Woooooo Major news.. New Jack (The origional Gangster) is having a tryout match on Raw tonight. I assume he will be in a dark match.

I am in two minds here.. New Jack is great fun to watch.. and contrary to popular belief is a half decent wrestler.

However im sure we all heard about him stabbing a guy 14 times in the head with a razor blade a few months ago....

Well now the elimination chamber was an amazing match right.. however.. have a wild guess who won... ohhh dosen't take much guessing to say TRIPLE H does it.. balony my friends.. we now know for sure who controls this promotion.

Going in to this match he has consistantly been getting no crowd reaction, his ring work has been stiff and his promos have been lacking. Yeah yeah you can say oh well HHH is the standard bearer, he will have to be in the mania main event. Yeah whatever, face it, there are a good 6-7 people who are.. for lack of better words.. BETTER! Than he is.

Haitch, we are all on to your game.. drop it.


I'm with you all the way on this one. HHH has never been a good wrestler. He started mediocre and has just got bigger in physique. IMO Foley, Rock and Austin have carried him through matches in the past and I'll never forget that under-a-minute job he did for The Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania 12! Hmm . . . Maybe this is why HHH is in the limelight these days - because McMahon never forgot HHH's selfless job for the Warrior.  ::)

HHH = Sports no entertainment

As for New Jack, I wonder if they will allow him to fly off the balcony like he did in ECW? I regard New Jack as a garbage wrestler (wrestler who wrestles mainly in weapon hardcore matches) so to see him wrestle would be interesting.

Yes, I remember hearing about that. A bit stupid really.

Woooooo Major news.. New Jack (The origional Gangster) is having a tryout match on Raw tonight. I assume he will be in a dark match.

I am in two minds here.. New Jack is great fun to watch.. and contrary to popular belief is a half decent wrestler.

However im sure we all heard about him stabbing a guy 14 times in the head with a razor blade a few months ago....



New Jack is cool.I'd like to see him on RAW. :o



Howard

I'm with you all the way on this one. HHH has never been a good wrestler. He started mediocre and has just got bigger in physique. IMO Foley, Rock and Austin have carried him through matches in the past and I'll never forget that under-a-minute job he did for The Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania 12! Hmm . . . Maybe this is why HHH is in the limelight these days - because McMahon never forgot HHH's selfless job for the Warrior.  ::)

HHH = Sports no entertainment

As for New Jack, I wonder if they will allow him to fly off the balcony like he did in ECW? I regard New Jack as a garbage wrestler (wrestler who wrestles mainly in weapon hardcore matches) so to see him wrestle would be interesting.

Yes, I remember hearing about that. A bit stupid really.


New Jack vs.HHH? :o


Howard

New Jack vs.HHH? :o


Lol. Actually that sounds like a cool idea, Howard. As long as they don't use New Jack in the same way they used Mick Foley.

Lol. Actually that sounds like a cool idea, Howard. As long as they don't use New Jack in the same way they used Mick Foley.


If it happens I don't want New Jack to job or he'll wind up being called New Joke. ;D



Howard

If it happens I don't want New Jack to job or he'll wind up being called New Joke. ;D


Lol. Good one, Howard.  ;D

Lol. Good one, Howard.  ;D


I might actually watch RAW tonight!!!

Yeah!...

We all wanna see.. New Jack vs HHH Razor Blade matchup ;D

We all wanna see.. New Jack vs HHH Razor Blade matchup ;D


Hmm . . . A taipei death match anyone (where's Ian Rotten when you need him?  ;D)

Have you seen the no way out logo.. it's surrounded by barbed wire.. an omen?

Have you seen the no way out logo.. it's surrounded by barbed wire.. an omen?



The WWF might wanna try out the barbed wire matches and see what happens.



Howard

We all wanna see.. New Jack vs HHH Razor Blade matchup ;D



New Jack would absolutely KILL him(literally) ;D



Howard

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/jotw/jotw-barryo/barryo0.jpg

to change the subject for a second here,would  anyone remember Barry O also known as Barry Orton? ;D


Howard

LOL no i dont Howard.. when was he around?

LOL no i dont Howard.. when was he around?



he was around during the cartoon era of The WWF basically during the early 1990's.I read in wrestlecrap that Barry O(Orton) is actually a brother of Randy Orton.I may have to check that again.



Howard

Really.. he looks a bit old to be his Brother.. maybe it is his uncle? Barry & Bob the orton brothers?

Really.. he looks a bit old to be his Brother.. maybe it is his uncle? Barry & Bob the orton brothers?



When Randy Orton made his debut in the WWE a few years ago, it was shoved down everyone's throat that he was a "third generation" this, and a "third generation" that. Heck, Jim Ross kept spewing out his family history until he was blue in the face. While JR may have informed the newer viewers about the Orton family tree and the past in-ring exploits of Randy's father and grandfather - Bob Orton Sr. and "Cowboy" Bob Orton Jr. - it seems he forgot to mention one infamous family member. Most families usually have that one "wacky" uncle running around, and Randy's clan is certainly no different. JR may have forgotten about him, but anybody who followed the WWF in the 80's definitely never will. He is this week's Jobber Of The Week - from the fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada - Barry O.




Here is a little story about the infamous Barry O.


Howard

Does anyone see a resemblance between Barry and Randy? ;D




Howard

LOL not really.. except for the thing he does with his hands

Because Randy likes to show off his chisseled Physique.. or something like that.. i wouldn't know  :-\\ ::)

Because Randy likes to show off his chisseled Physique.. or something like that.. i wouldn't know  :-\\ ::)



Back in the days of the WWF,most of the wrestlers had some crazy hand symbols and gestures.Barry O was one of them. ;D



Howard

LOL not really.. except for the thing he does with his hands



Barry O was making the "O"symbol with his hands.



Howard

Do you remember the Blitzkreig thingy guy.. WTF was with his hand sign???

Do you remember the Blitzkreig thingy guy.. WTF was with his hand sign???



Who the hell was he? Was that Ludvig Borga? ???



Howard

Could have been.. let's ask Bob..

Bob.. was he?

Hey Bob,who was that Blitzkreig guy? ;D



Howard

Have you seen the no way out logo.. it's surrounded by barbed wire.. an omen?


Well, it's one of two things to me: either Mick Foley is coming out of retirement or maybe the WWE are brave enough to enter the territory of barbed wire matches (in fact, Wrestlemania 14 was to have a barbed wire match - New age outlaws V Mick Foley/Terry Funk. Last minute changes became the introduction of the dumpster match).

I have only seen two barbed wire matches. Cactus Jack V Sandman which is pretty good and Terry Funk V Sabu (which really was a mess of a match - it ended up with both men locked together in barbed wire).

Sabu is the master.. oh god Sabu is the master... THE SUICIDAL.. HOMICIDAL.. GENOOOCIDAL... SABU!!!

Looks like Super Crazy is gonna sign with WWE... hmm we shall see if they missue him... yes ::)

Blitzkrieg was not Ludvig Borga. Unlike Borga, Blitzkreig was one hell of a wrestler! He had a great feud with Juventud Guerrero if I remember correctly . . .

I always got 911 and Blitzkrieg confused.. cus i am retarded to be honest  ::)

Blitzkrieg was not Ludvig Borga. Unlike Borga, Blitzkreig was one hell of a wrestler! He had a great feud with Juventud Guerrero if I remember correctly . . .



I don't remember. ???



Howard

remember when Diesel put up his fist as a hand symbol? ;D




Howard

Sabu is the master.. oh god Sabu is the master... THE SUICIDAL.. HOMICIDAL.. GENOOOCIDAL... SABU!!!

Looks like Super Crazy is gonna sign with WWE... hmm we shall see if they missue him... yes ::)


and also New Jack,maybe.



Howard

Sabu is the master.. oh god Sabu is the master... THE SUICIDAL.. HOMICIDAL.. GENOOOCIDAL... SABU!!!

Looks like Super Crazy is gonna sign with WWE... hmm we shall see if they missue him... yes ::)


Sabu was one nutjob. Very well known for taping up his injuries in the ring! That's just crazy.

Talking crazy, I am happy, and sad, if Super Crazy does sign with the WWE. I am just anticipating how much the WWE will waste his talent. Andy knows how excellent that man is.

Here is some news. If anyone has an X-Box console, WWF Wrestlemania 21 is coming out for it. I am wetting myself with anticipation (well . . . I'm very excited about the whole idea).

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/578/578065p1.html

Sabu was one nutjob. Very well known for taping up his injuries in the ring! That's just crazy.

Talking crazy, I am happy, and sad, if Super Crazy does sign with the WWE. I am just anticipating how much the WWE will waste his talent. Andy knows how excellent that man is.

Here is some news. If anyone has an X-Box console, WWF Wrestlemania 21 is coming out for it. I am wetting myself with anticipation (well . . . I'm very excited about the whole idea).

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/578/578065p1.html



Sabu is one crazy MF. :o



Howard

Do you remember the Arabian facebuster off the ramp on to.. me thinks Tazz

Do you remember the Arabian facebuster off the ramp on to.. me thinks Tazz


Oh yes. Those brilliant springboard jumps he did off chairs were incredible!

well this was about 15 feet..

Just watched the Rise and Fall of ECW and man oh man have I got a new respect for Heyman.  Not particularily how he ran the company, but how he treated a lot of the stars.

Not enough on Lance Storm, but I guess that makes sense even though he was a multi, multi, multi, champion in WCW and WWE he only felt heat for a short amount of time.

Anyways, it let me see a little bit more of New Jack, and I take it back.  I don't think he will really be a factor in WWE.  They just would not let things slide like they did in ECW.

Great Movie though.

BTW, can you beleive this used to be Scott Steiner??
http://www.wedinconsulting.com/steinersandtazz.bmp

I certainly can believe that was Scott Steiner Skylowlow but that is because I have been watching wrestling since 1991. In fact, The Steiner Brothers were certainly a contributing factor to why I love wrestling so much (that was until Steiner turned stupid and became 'Big Poppa Pump' (did anyone in the business realise how stupid that sounds?)).

Lance Storm was great in ECW.

You may unfortunately be right on the New Jack issue. They may allow him to blade on a regular basis but that is probably it. I mean, look at what they did to the man himself, Tommy Dreamer?

Just looks at the WWE Talent that used to be in ECW... Raven, left because he was underused.. aldo montoya.. need i say anymore...RVD.. forced to use the same move set every weekl, no wonder people are bored... Tommy Dreamer, he is now just a walking punch bag, or was until he became a trainer.. Steve Richards.. stevie heat?... Rhyno lost in the midcard and there are more.

Taz was really the only one that got a proper push and then of coure he ended up hurt.

Just looks at the WWE Talent that used to be in ECW... Raven, left because he was underused.. aldo montoya.. need i say anymore...RVD.. forced to use the same move set every weekl, no wonder people are bored... Tommy Dreamer, he is now just a walking punch bag, or was until he became a trainer.. Steve Richards.. stevie heat?... Rhyno lost in the midcard and there are more.

Taz was really the only one that got a proper push and then of coure he ended up hurt.


I would say that Raven is never happy...

And at least Tommy, RVD, and Richards still have jobs in WWE.

Well tommy is a trainer.. stevie will never get off heat and RVD will never be where he should be

Well tommy is a trainer.. stevie will never get off heat and RVD will never be where he should be


Yeah your right, but compare them to the rest of the cast minus the Dudleys.  They are doing a whole lot better.

True True... RVD.. if he wasnt forced to use exactly the same.. well basiclaly do the same match again and again would get better crowd reactions.. he is far more talented than most of the roster. I'd love to see him turn heel and fued with Guerrero.

Just watched the Rise and Fall of ECW and man oh man have I got a new respect for Heyman.  Not particularily how he ran the company, but how he treated a lot of the stars.

Not enough on Lance Storm, but I guess that makes sense even though he was a multi, multi, multi, champion in WCW and WWE he only felt heat for a short amount of time.

Anyways, it let me see a little bit more of New Jack, and I take it back.  I don't think he will really be a factor in WWE.  They just would not let things slide like they did in ECW.

Great Movie though.

BTW, can you beleive this used to be Scott Steiner??
http://www.wedinconsulting.com/steinersandtazz.bmp





http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/s/scottsteiner/15.jpg


Big Poppa Dump? :P


I'm glad WWF kicked him out.They didn't need him anymore.He had an injury.He was out for a while so they let him go after he wasn't appearing for a long time.Good Riddance. >:(




Howard

True True... RVD.. if he wasnt forced to use exactly the same.. well basiclaly do the same match again and again would get better crowd reactions.. he is far more talented than most of the roster. I'd love to see him turn heel and fued with Guerrero.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/ppv/u03/08.jpg


Rob Van D-A-M-N will never turn heel.fans love him to death.I think he's cool. 8)



Howard

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/ppv/u03/08.jpg

Rob Van D-A-M-N will never turn heel.fans love him to death.I think he's cool. 8)


That man can do it all, Howard. I've seen him pick up a lot of heat as 'Mr Monday night'.

Just looks at the WWE Talent that used to be in ECW... Raven, left because he was underused.. aldo montoya.. need i say anymore...RVD.. forced to use the same move set every weekl, no wonder people are bored... Tommy Dreamer, he is now just a walking punch bag, or was until he became a trainer.. Steve Richards.. stevie heat?... Rhyno lost in the midcard and there are more.

Taz was really the only one that got a proper push and then of coure he ended up hurt.


I think, despite The Dudley Boys, Tajiri has faired quite well in the WWE - but he is so mediocre, it hurts. Andy, we need to give wrestling fans an education . . .  ;D

BRING BACK FONZIE! If there is anybody that you can hate on sight it's Bill Alfonso. Have RVD & Sabu team up, reak havoc on the Tag divison, attack Taz (who is such a face now), and then fued with Eddie Guerrero and maybe... oh hell Tajiri (he and Eddie were a great team) Oh yes what an angle that would be. Thursday evenings would be A'OK!

BRING BACK FONZIE! If there is anybody that you can hate on sight it's Bill Alfonso. Have RVD & Sabu team up, reak havoc on the Tag divison, attack Taz (who is such a face now), and then fued with Eddie Guerrero and maybe... oh hell Tajiri (he and Eddie were a great team) Oh yes what an angle that would be. Thursday evenings would be A'OK!


Fonzie was such a headcase. You wouldn't believe he had a cameo at Wrestlemania 9 as a referee checking under the ring after the Crush V Doink 'match'.

DId he..LOL i never knew that.. yeah he was a complete Psycho... i used to hate him (then became a smark ;)) and grew to respect how well he got you to hate people  ;D

DId he..LOL i never knew that.. yeah he was a complete Psycho... i used to hate him (then became a smark ;)) and grew to respect how well he got you to hate people  ;D


When you understand that the heels have to come across as effectively as the faces, that's when you truly appreciate the wrestlers.

Saying that.. it is easier to get Heat alll you have to do is act like a jerk (which face it anybody can do) and you will get booed.