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Subject: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: ChuckyG on 11/18/05 at 9:20 pm
pretty sad.
Murtha's proposed bill:
Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That:
Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.
Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.
Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.
what the GOP pushed to a vote:
RESOLUTION
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that
the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.
Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces
in Iraq be terminated immediately.
We then get the Republicans (Jean Schmidt) smearing Murhta. Calling a Veteran Marine a coward on the House floor. Withdrawing it only after being threatend with censure.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/13206311.htm
Very classy folks the GOP. Force a vote to try and make the Democrats look bad, so they can use it in sound bites. I'm sure the "liberal" media will be fooled into making the GOP look better than they deserve from this one. The folks on the right-wing blogs are already calling Jean Schmidt a "hero" for insulting a war veteran on the House floor. God forbid they actually hold an actual debate on the issue. Just scoring points with the rabid folks in their fan base.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: GWBush2004 on 11/18/05 at 9:34 pm
It's a stunt, that I know.
But it's no more or less of a stunt then what the democrats did a week or so ago by putting the senate into closed session.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/18/05 at 11:53 pm
Stunt? Ha! Rhymes with stunt, I'll stay the much!
:-X
It's reminds me of a tweaked-out husband screaming at his wife, "Whaddya want me to do, turn the car around right here in the middle of the freeway?"
Pretty dopy.
I love that Democrat from PA, though! He's a bad Murtha-shut-your-mouth!
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: IanWinn on 11/19/05 at 12:08 am
Here's a link that doesn't require you to submit personal info to read their news:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/connecticut/ny-bc-ct--murtha-connreax1118nov18,0,626768.story?coll=ny-region-apconnecticut
Congress-critters are so pathetic, no matter what letter follows their name. The only exception I can see is Ron Paul. No matter who's in power or who's in the White House, Ron calls foul when they do foul things.
Others join him when he goes after their enemies, then abandon him when he goes after their friends.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: GWBush2004 on 11/19/05 at 12:16 am
I love that Democrat from PA, though!
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: IanWinn on 11/19/05 at 12:23 am
The guy's a member of ClearChannel. Why am I not surprised at his attitude?
"Keep up the war! Goldstein...err...Osama is out there somewhere!"
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: GWBush2004 on 11/19/05 at 12:38 am
The guy's a member of ClearChannel.
I know. I listen to Michael Savage only.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/19/05 at 2:37 am
A Traitor's Tirade: Rep. John Murtha Soils The Corps
By: Bob Newman
11/18/2005
In a statement that has angered, embarrassed and humiliated Marines around the globe, one of our own -- a retired Marine Corps Reserve colonel -- has called for the legendary fighting force to retreat from Iraq and surrender to the terrorist organization that has killed thousands of Americans at home and abroad. He has even called for the United States to enter into negotiations with al Qaeda. This vermin s demand for retreat, surrender and negotiations with the enemy is so committed to assisting al Qaeda in their efforts in Iraq that he has posted his unspeakable demands on his website in the form of an official statement (www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr051117iraq.html).
Oh, boo-hoo!
Newman should spit his venom at the right-wing dipsy-doodles who took over the government, strong-armed the military into engaging in this rotten war, and are now squawking as the confused little chickenhawks they are because our country has lost thousands of American lives and untold hundreds of billions of dollars on a foolish imperial game we can't win!
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: ChuckyG on 11/19/05 at 8:44 am
It's a stunt, that I know.
But it's no more or less of a stunt then what the democrats did a week or so ago by putting the senate into closed session.
really? They forced the Republicans to finally vote for an investigation they've been avoiding like the plague for two years. That vote accomplished something
This vote has a known outcome, and is strictly done to try and stop debate on an issue.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: danootaandme on 11/19/05 at 9:22 am
What is with these guys who obviously want to fight just to fight. It doesn't really matter to them whether
the motives are good or bad. They just want to fight and want to win, for the sake of fighting and
winning alone. That is why we remained in Viet Nam and that is why we continue in Iraq.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/19/05 at 9:56 am
so apparently they did this to keep the murthas of the congress from continuing to call for an immediate withdrawal and thereby embarrassing the war supporters? who, incidentally, have much to be embarrassed about?
it'd be interesting if murtha and his allies -- if he can find any; it's lame how the democrats left him out to dry -- started calling for a phased withdrawal with a timetable. maybe the pro-war guys would then try the same thing, but a timetable is a lot more likely to pass.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: saver on 11/19/05 at 2:02 pm
Funny how those who thought more was against the war found out quick ..almost like having water thrown on them uhuhuhuhuh...guess there is something to this war... like,... America's honor... Does anyone realize how just pulling away from it will splash OUR countrys name around in headlines of the like :AMERICA SURRENDERS?
Our reasons for going were discovered to not turn anything up, but we left a mark of removing a vicious dictator..so some good was done...now we need to pull up the weeds and give it a nice American makeover..We are also wise to know,sure, if you fight others with BIGGER weapons you'll both have a whole lot of holes and destruction leftover and who really wins..but if you go after little start up countries THAT COULD LEAD to being bigger, you KILL the ROACHES in their tracks!
Maybe we could be the self appointed world exterminators..but leaving the war now would put egg on our faces and imagine the Russia/China alliance that could be formed against US.
We have over 60000 troops there and we will let a small number of goofasses chase us away..is this David and Goliath time?
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/19/05 at 2:07 pm
Funny how those who thought more was against the war found out quick ..almost like having water thrown on them uhuhuhuhuh...guess there is something to this war... like,... America's honor... Does anyone realize how just pulling away from it will splash OUR countrys name around in headlines of the like :AMERICA SURRENDERS?
Our reasons for going were discovered to not turn anything up, but we left a mark of removing a vicious dictator..so some good was done...now we need to pull up the weeds and give it a nice American makeover..We are also wise to know,sure, if you fight others with BIGGER weapons you'll both have a whole lot of holes and destruction leftover and who really wins..but if you go after little start up countries THAT COULD LEAD to being bigger, you KILL the ROACHES in their tracks!
Maybe we could be the self appointed world exterminators..but leaving the war now would put egg on our faces and imagine the Russia/China alliance that could be formed against US.
We have over 60000 troops there and we will let a small number of goofasses chase us away..is this David and Goliath time?
Well, america
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Davester on 11/19/05 at 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: CatwomanofV on 11/19/05 at 3:26 pm
Add to that the Iraq-had-nothing-to-do-with-9/11 thing and the No-WMD-found-in-Iraq thing...
I don't want to see the Red, White and Blue receive a black eye any more than anyone else, but from here on, Americans will have no choice but to come to grips with the fact that we rashly, naiively intervened in Iraq. Americans will come to understand the hard truth that we have irrevocably destroyed Iraq's viability as a state. Americans will inevitably have to face the reality that over 2,000 KIAs, untold numbers of US wounded, and untold numbers of innocent victims were all sacrificed for a colossal delusion. Disgrace is hard to accept, but gradually we will do just that and move on.
As Kevin Kline said in A Fish Called Wanda about losing the Viet Nam war, "We didn't lose. It was a tie." ::)
Cat
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/19/05 at 3:31 pm
What is with these guys who obviously want to fight just to fight.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/19/05 at 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/19/05 at 3:41 pm
As Kevin Kline said in A Fish Called Wanda about losing the Viet Nam war, "We didn't lose. It was a tie."
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Billy Florio on 11/19/05 at 4:13 pm
It's a stunt, that I know.
But it's no more or less of a stunt then what the democrats did a week or so ago by putting the senate into closed session.
I love double standards.....
plus, I havent heard anyone not give all of these facts on the news. The Republicans were effectivly called on the chicanary. What was that you guys said about the media now?
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: IanWinn on 11/19/05 at 4:23 pm
Oh, they don't want to fight. They want other people and other people's children to do the fighting. They just wanna strut around in full costume-shop regalia rattling their plastic sabres.
And I can't emphasize strongly enough, it isn't about winning, as in winning blow-for-blow. Iraq was never a military threat to America. It's important not to call it winning versus losing. It's more a matter of not being able to accomplish our mission. Our military is occupying a country that doesn't want us there, and our government is lying to us about it. As long as the so-called insurgents can rustle up guns and bullets, automobiles and explosives, our soldiers are at risk and the citizens of Iraq are at risk of being torn to pieces.
Is the administration asking us to babysit a contrived democracy long enough to stave off a civil war? How long will that take? Five, ten, twenty years? What's the cost in human lives, what's the cost in dollars? May we see an honest-to-God cost benefits analysis here?
The people who hatched this scheme lived in a fantasy world right-wing ideology and toy soldiers. They didn't know what they were doing, and they still don't. Some of them need to be committed to institutions for the safety of humanity!
All too true, Maxwell. A favorite bumper sticker of mine says, "Draft Jenna Bush!"
Now there's an idea! Those politicians who advocate war will have to have their children join the military once they reach the age of service. If a politician has no children, then THAT politician must serve in the military. They would have no choice of where to serve; their place would be determined by the same ASVAB test that everyone else takes.
Sadly, they're not about to do that. (sarcasm)Nobility and royalty are exempt from the laws, donchaknow? If no one were left to carry on the family dynasty, some unworthy slob (who actually believes in the Constitution! Horror of horrors!) might get into office and change the direction of the body politic from dictatorship to freedom! Can't have that now, can we?(/sarcasm)
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/19/05 at 4:40 pm
All too true, Maxwell.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: IanWinn on 11/19/05 at 6:58 pm
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Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/19/05 at 7:08 pm
All too true, Maxwell.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: saver on 11/19/05 at 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/19/05 at 7:22 pm
^hmm. yeah, easy to forget JFK and bush 41 both fought in WWII -- saw some pretty ugly action too. this whole chickenhawk thing is a pretty recent development.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/19/05 at 7:23 pm
Oh, here's another good one:
http://theheretik.typepad.com/the_heretik/images/bush_twins_go_to_war_heretik_071705_1.jpg
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/19/05 at 7:32 pm
Tia wroteAs John Stewart said, "Uh, excuse me, we're actually trying to win this thing!"
http://www.woodka.com/wp-content/stuff/jenna_barbara.jpg
haha! this just shows she knows to hit the deck in the face of incoming fire.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: danootaandme on 11/20/05 at 3:11 pm
Anyone see George Stephanopolous(I try not to miss it)? He had rumsfeld on and rumsfeld tried
to distance himself from any decision in the Iraq debacle. It was just unbelievable. Fareed Zakaria
hit the nail on the head when he said that rumsfeld appeared to make himself no more than a potted
plant. I think even he was surprised when he said it, but it was what everyone was thinking.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/20/05 at 3:24 pm
Anyone see George Stephanopolous(I try not to miss it)?
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: ChuckyG on 11/21/05 at 11:44 am
so apparently they did this to keep the murthas of the congress from continuing to call for an immediate withdrawal and thereby embarrassing the war supporters? who, incidentally, have much to be embarrassed about?
it'd be interesting if murtha and his allies -- if he can find any; it's lame how the democrats left him out to dry -- started calling for a phased withdrawal with a timetable. maybe the pro-war guys would then try the same thing, but a timetable is a lot more likely to pass.
Murtha didn't call for an immediate withdrawawl. The REPUBLICANS put up a non-binding resolution asking for it though.
Murtha wasn't left to hang out and dry. You clearly didn't follow the hearing at all. He was given a standing ovation by the Democrats when he entered the chamber friday night.
Just this week, one of the generals in charge of Iraq put together a plan for a withdrawl over the next six months. Which is EXACTLY what Murtha is calling for. I guess that general is now a coward too?
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/21/05 at 1:32 pm
Murtha didn't call for an immediate withdrawawl.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/21/05 at 8:39 pm
We cannot worry about some raging Jihadists declaring victory if we leave.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: GWBush2004 on 11/21/05 at 8:55 pm
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/17/MNGV2FPT755.DTL
"Murtha calls for immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq
Edward Epstein, Chronicle Washington Bureau
I like what J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) did. Murtha says he didn't call for immediate withdrawal. But then he held up the New York Times newspaper and it said Murtha called for immediate withdrawal. Then he did the same thing with the Washington Post. And it ended with him holding up a print of the front page from Al-Jazeera's website and Mr. Hayworth said "yes, sadly even Al-Jazeera is saying it's an immediate pullout."
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Ophrah on 11/21/05 at 9:32 pm
A Traitor's Tirade: Rep. John Murtha Soils The Corps
By: Bob Newman
11/18/2005
In a statement that has angered, embarrassed and humiliated Marines around the globe, one of our own -- a retired Marine Corps Reserve colonel -- has called for the legendary fighting force to retreat from Iraq and surrender to the terrorist organization that has killed thousands of Americans at home and abroad. He has even called for the United States to enter into negotiations with al Qaeda. This vermin s demand for retreat, surrender and negotiations with the enemy is so committed to assisting al Qaeda in their efforts in Iraq that he has posted his unspeakable demands on his website in the form of an official statement (www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr051117iraq.html).
The traitor, Democratic Rep. John P. Murtha, agrees 100% with Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al Zarqawi that the Marine Corps, which is mangling the enemy on a daily basis in Iraq and suffering comparatively light casualties, should lay down its arms, call it quits, and abandon the people they are defending in the fledgling democracy of Iraq.
Furious Marines from wars as far back as World War II are spitting mad at the cowardly colonel and many want his head on a stake in the middle of the Marine Corps Commandant's lawn. Personally, I would not soil that good earth with so vile and despicable a piece of offal.
Encouraging retreat is viewed as aiding the enemy by the Marines and is a violation of Article 104 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which is punishable by death. Currently serving Marines, active duty or reserve, who encourage surrender are in violation of Article 100 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, an offense also punishable by death. Because Murtha is retired, he is virtually assured of not being prosecuted.
However, he will be celebrated by al Qaeda and other terrorists around the world. At this very moment, al Qaeda communications specialists are likely prepping pieces of propaganda using Murtha s traitorous tirade as a tool to recruit fresh killers by showing them that even an American Marine (apologies to Puller) believes his allegedly beloved Corps is so inept in battle that retreat and surrender are the Marines best option and perhaps should, in fact, be added for the first time to the Leathernecks vast, quasi-mythical repertoire of operational art and battlefield strategy.
Murtha joins the likes of traitor Clayton Lonetree, the Marine security guard who gave top-secret intelligence to the Soviets, and traitor Robert Garwood, the Marine who went over to the enemy during the Vietnam War and was involved in holding and abusing US prisoners of war in North Vietnam while wearing the uniform of the enemy.
The Marine Corps is famous for its members standing their ground and winning fights against outrageous odds. Battles with names like the Peking Legation, Belleau Wood, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, the Chosin Reservoir, Khe Sanh and Fallujah decorate the hallowed halls of Corps history. Especially repugnant is how Murtha is insisting upon surrender while the Marines are decimating the enemy en masse.
Marines should ask Murtha if Chesty Puller would order retreat and surrender before the enemy.
John "The Jellyfish" Murtha should be shunned by all Marines and, if possible, legal steps should be taken to prevent this betrayer from being buried in a national cemetery upon his demise.
Bob Newman, a decorated, retired US Marine, is host of the Gunny Bob Show on Newsradio 850 KOA in Denver, and host of Anger-Management Hour on 630 KHOW, also in Denver. A ground-combat veteran, he is the director of international security & counterterrorism services for The GeoScope Group and is the military science & terrorism columnist for The Denver Daily News. He can be reached at bobnewman@clearchannel.com.
Link: http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/bnewman_20051118.html
Calling someone an oreo is horrible. But it's okay to call a Marine vet congressman a "jellyfish", a "coward", and "vermin" who should be "shunned by Marines" and who is unfit for burial in a national cemetery.
Ok. Long as we have our standards of civil discoure in order. ;)
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/21/05 at 9:34 pm
Calling someone an oreo is horrible.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/22/05 at 8:21 am
Oh they're just mad because their war is a giant dud!
hear hear. i like how cheney called murtha a cut-and-runner, or whatever tripe he trotted out, and murtha brings up the multiple-deferment thing. uh, kinda got you there, huh, dick?
it's hilarious, they asked bush about it while he was riding bikes in china and bush sez, the vice-president's service isn't relevant. i'm like, what service?
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: danootaandme on 11/22/05 at 8:44 am
hear hear. i like how cheney called murtha a cut-and-runner, or whatever tripe he trotted out, and murtha brings up the multiple-deferment thing. uh, kinda got you there, huh, dick?
it's hilarious, they asked bush about it while he was riding bikes in china and bush sez, the vice-president's service isn't relevant. i'm like, what service?
Self-Service is more like it
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: ChuckyG on 11/22/05 at 10:24 am
I like what J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) did. Murtha says he didn't call for immediate withdrawal. But then he held up the New York Times newspaper and it said Murtha called for immediate withdrawal. Then he did the same thing with the Washington Post. And it ended with him holding up a print of the front page from Al-Jazeera's website and Mr. Hayworth said "yes, sadly even Al-Jazeera is saying it's an immediate pullout."
So you're saying when these sources say something you agree with, you'll believe them? typical
I already posted the full text of the Murtha proposal as the first post. That was what he proposed, not what the paper headline said.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: McDonald on 11/22/05 at 10:46 am
Calling someone an oreo is horrible.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: ChuckyG on 11/22/05 at 11:30 am
Remember, it's not about what's actually right and wrong, it's about how many times the Dems can be caught doing something wrong versus how many times the Repugs can. It's all a numbers game. :D
I'm going to concentrate on all the things the Democrats do wrong, and ignore all the things the repugs do wrong, and that way I run no risk of actually having to examine my beliefs, and I'll never have to stick my foot in my mouth again!
Hooray for doublethink!!!
totally missing the point. It's not WHAT was said, but WHERE it was said.
If you have evidence of a Democrat calling a black Republican an oreo on the House floor while in session, then you have an argument here. Otherwise, it's just another strawman.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/22/05 at 1:07 pm
totally missing the point.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: McDonald on 11/22/05 at 1:17 pm
totally missing the point.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: ChuckyG on 11/22/05 at 2:52 pm
I'm not sure I understand this. My post was sarcastic.
sorry. sarcasm doesn't always translate well online
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: ChuckyG on 11/22/05 at 4:55 pm
it appears Schmidt lied during her statement
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/13234676.htm
The person she was quoting never mentioned Murtha, so how could he have been the one being quoted in her speech? Oh that's right, facts are necessary to create a nice soundbite for TV. Something Regan taught all his disciples a long time ago.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/22/05 at 11:37 pm
it appears Schmidt lied during her statement
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/13234676.htm
The person she was quoting never mentioned Murtha, so how could he have been the one being quoted in her speech?
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: ChuckyG on 11/23/05 at 11:25 am
Now she says she's sorry! Wasn't it Connie Francis who used to sing "Who's sorry now?"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1339193
Here's a good scoop on Rep. Bubp from the Daily Kos:
http://land-of-enchantment.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/19/9737/0749
Colonel Danny Bubp, gimme a break! Is he related to George "The Gipper" Gipp?
Schmidt might as well have said, "None of you knew Danny Bubp, he was before your time, but I have a message from him to get out there and 'Win one for the Bubber!'"
:D
I like this quote from when she was campaigning:
"I pledge to walk in the shoes of my colleagues and refrain from name-calling or the questioning of character," Schmidt said then. "It is easy to quickly sink to the lowest form of political debate. Harsh words often lead to headlines, but walking this path is not a victimless crime. This great House pays the price."
She narrowly won election, I guess the people of Ohio are wondering why now. She took what, two months to sink to the lowest form of political debate?
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: Tia on 11/23/05 at 11:47 am
i was reading about this in the paper this morning, having a good chuckle. man, did she ever step in it. she's all, okay, when i called murtha a coward, i didn't mean he was a coward, per se...
so WEAK.
Subject: Re: GOP strawman vote tonight on withdrawing troops
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/23/05 at 7:47 pm
She can always get a job with FOX News if her constituents vote her out next time!