SoDamn Insane was supposed to have the materials for making nuclear weapons, including "Yellow Cake Uranium".  When they did the actual search, the only containers of "Yellow Cake" that were there had "Betty Crocker" on them!  There were also reports of aluminum tubes that were used in the refining process, until, after study, they were found to be the wrong kind of aluminum.

Furthermore, I have to ask, what kind of dictator allows his people to keep firearms?  Including full-auto AK-47's?  We in the US can't own such weapons, unless we pay the $200 "tax" to the BATFE.  And let's not forget RPG's.  They had them over there, and still do.  We can't have them no matter what.

We HAVE been lied to, about why we are in Iraq, just as we were lied to about why we have troops stationed around the world.  We need to have our troops recalled from overseas and placed on our borders, northern and southern.  Sadly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Don Carlos, you said, "As to "carry on America", which way?  We can be a beacon of freedom and hope for the world, but we are not that now.  Now we are the "evil empire" bent on world domination through military strength, and you know what?  It has never worked in the past and it ain't going to work this time."  You are so right.  As someone else on the Net has said, "Is it any wonder that I hear The Imperial March (from Star Wars) running through my head?"

I appreciate the comments as I can use them as well when I hear someone trying to skew them their way..I know many now who supported the war to get rid of Sadman and then the other 'friends' we keep...our eternal friends the Saudi's for instance?? The people are fine..I just speak of the machine that needs some looking at but we accept it until enough speak out..enjoy the % of gas money going right back to them to supply the terrorists...then there's V FOX...

The carry on should be a department of people working to find our good and quell the bad  choices of ours..but then MONEY (bribes-underground clubs), will continue to secretly hurt us.

GLAD I'M NOT IN FRANCE..THAT'S ALL :o

SoDamn Insane was supposed to have the materials for making nuclear weapons, including "Yellow Cake Uranium".  When they did the actual search, the only containers of "Yellow Cake" that were there had "Betty Crocker" on them!  There were also reports of aluminum tubes that were used in the refining process, until, after study, they were found to be the wrong kind of aluminum.

Furthermore, I have to ask, what kind of dictator allows his people to keep firearms?  Including full-auto AK-47's?  We in the US can't own such weapons, unless we pay the $200 "tax" to the BATFE.  And let's not forget RPG's.  They had them over there, and still do.  We can't have them no matter what.

We HAVE been lied to, about why we are in Iraq, just as we were lied to about why we have troops stationed around the world.  We need to have our troops recalled from overseas and placed on our borders, northern and southern.  Sadly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Don Carlos, you said, "As to "carry on America", which way?  We can be a beacon of freedom and hope for the world, but we are not that now.  Now we are the "evil empire" bent on world domination through military strength, and you know what?  It has never worked in the past and it ain't going to work this time."  You are so right.  As someone else on the Net has said, "Is it any wonder that I hear The Imperial March (from Star Wars) running through my head?"


It makes me very sad to say those things.  And I want everyone to understand that I love this country both profoundly and deeply. I do hate many of the things that have done in my name as an American and I have protested against them, and will continue to do so.  To translate the quote below the Photo of Abisu Compos, "the true patriot is always a critic of his government".  We need more patriots.  Thanks for your support.

SORRY BUT WHEN FACED WITH THE TRUTH...THE LIBS PULL OUT THE RHETORIC THAT AVOIDS THE ISSUE.....LE VIE

"I ain't never told the truth, so the how the h*ll can I tell a lie!"
--Tom Waits

So...pour yourself another tall cool pitcher!

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What is "Bush Lied" anyway?  Was that Schubert?

"I ain't never told the truth, so the how the h*ll can I tell a lie!"
--Tom Waits

So...pour yourself another tall cool pitcher!

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What is "Bush Lied" anyway?  Was that Schubert?



MMM yum..Kool aid goes great while watching others squirm to find documentation to prove ones accusations... I'll sit back while you look......blah blah blah..he lied, he planned this,uh,... his dad told him to....and bring me some of that pudding the proof is in..... 

Saver, you've managed to brush aside the evidence presented before you, evidence which is clearly and easily verifiable (ie, the yellow cake uranium, and the aluminum tubes), saying essentially, "It doesn't matter."

Well, here's the root of it all:  Bush says that a terrorist cell hijacked the planes, which brought down the Twin Towers.  That is the lie that started it all.  Here's what a physics professor has to say about the destruction of the WTC.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,635160132,00.html



Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC
By Elaine Jarvik
Deseret Morning News
      The physics of 9/11 â€â€Â� including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell â€â€Â� prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor.
      In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones.
      In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html.
Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations.
      "It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes â€â€Â� which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.
      As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation." (Emphasis by Ian; note: while there have been various whitewashes about the collapse of the WTC buildings, no scientific investigation has happened, as the article will show)
      Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says. The official explanation â€â€Â� that fires caused structural damage that caused the buildings to collapse â€â€Â� can't be backed up by either testing or history, he says.
      Jones acknowledges that there have been "junk science" conspiracy theories about what happened on 9/11, but "the explosive demolition hypothesis better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony and therefore is not 'junk science.' "
In a 9,000-word article that Jones says will be published in the book "The Hidden History of 9/11," by Elsevier, Jones offers these arguments:

      • The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" â€â€Â� and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."

      • No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.

      • WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors â€â€Â� and intact steel support columns â€â€Â� the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.

      • With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing â€â€Â� and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."(Note by Ian: this process is known as pulverizaton

      • Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.

      • Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel â€â€Â� and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.

      • Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.

      • Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.

      Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding."
      Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September.
      Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.

E-mail: jarvik@desnews.com

ummmm......MAX is not the one who seems to be squirming ::)


Do you hear ME rustling around TRYING to find news to back up what I laid out...like all others who throw out the same old-
blah blah..I stand firm and say back up what one says (as I have), BEFORE any Kool Aid is poured..

sounds like  Sgt. Schulz 'I KNOW NUTTING!'... 

Do you hear ME rustling around TRYING to find news to back up what I laid out...like all others who throw out the same old-
blah blah..I stand firm and say back up what one says (as I have), BEFORE any Kool Aid is poured..

sounds like  Sgt. Schulz 'I KNOW NUTTING!'... 


seems to me the arguments and evidence were presented here, and you're just ignoring it. :)

That's funny, Saver, because I FOUND information pertinent to the topic (Bush lied), and you have yet to comment on it.  You seem to prefer ignoring the facts.

Chug that Kool-Aid. like a good little state-worshipper.  Ignore any bitter taste.  It's only arsenic, and it's good for you.

Saver, you've managed to brush aside the evidence presented before you, evidence which is clearly and easily verifiable (ie, the yellow cake uranium, and the aluminum tubes), saying essentially, "It doesn't matter."

Well, here's the root of it all:  Bush says that a terrorist cell hijacked the planes, which brought down the Twin Towers.  That is the lie that started it all.  Here's what a physics professor has to say about the destruction of the WTC.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,635160132,00.html




E-mail: jarvik@desnews.com


THis is interesting stuff.  Hard to concieve of such a enormous conspiracy though.