Interesting.  And I am sure I can find reverse flip-flops from the Democratic camp.  So what?  You are just proving that politicians try play political games with our servicemembers.

And where were all of you now who scream against Bush 8 years ago?  How many of you were screaming against Clinton when he got us involved in Yugoslavia and Somalia?  How many screamed in protest when Clinton launched air strikes and cruise missles against Iraq?  I bet most of you were silent.

Myself, I supported both actions.  You see, bad people in the world need to be stopped, by force if nessicary.  I place the lives of people above the desire to bash a political opponent.

In fact, the only thing I complained about was when Clinton put that "Military Gag Order" in place on servicemembers.  I never questioned the need to go in and stop genocide and mass killings of civilians.

And where were all of you now who scream against Bush 8 years ago?  How many of you were screaming against Clinton when he got us involved in Yugoslavia and Somalia?  How many screamed in protest when Clinton launched air strikes and cruise missles against Iraq?  I bet most of you were silent.


There was a great deal of protest against Clinton's air strikes on Iraq. Remember all those people who heckled Madeline Albright at town hall meetings?

And many people on the left opposed the air strikes against Yugoslavia in 1999, as well. While they were happening, a very left wing publication in my hometown printed several pieces denouncing what they viewed as an unnecessary use of force.

There was a great deal of protest against Clinton's air strikes on Iraq. Remember all those people who heckled Madeline Albright at town hall meetings?

And many people on the left opposed the air strikes against Yugoslavia in 1999, as well. While they were happening, a very left wing publication in my hometown printed several pieces denouncing what they viewed as an unnecessary use of force.


You will always have a "peace at any cost" fringe out there.  In much the same way you will always have a "blow them all up and let God sort them out" fringe.

Believe me when I say that I am neither of those!  To me, the use of military force is a last resort.  It should also never be used for any reason, other then to protect the lives of people (both in the US, and abroad).  If I really believed that this was a "war for oil", I would be against it myself.  Having been in the military for 10 years, the last thing I would have wanted to do is to risk my life in order to give greater profits to others.

Clinton was involved in 2 major military actions, Yugoslavia and Somalia.  I strongly supported both actions.  I even remember fighting with my father-in-law, who was much more Conservative then I am.  All I saw was that in both places Genocide was happening, and it needed to be stopped.  If anything, I thought CLinton did not go far enough.  I thought he had not learned from our mistakes in Lebanon in the 1980's, and repeated a lot of them.  But I never disagreed with the need to be there, nor the cause.

His strikes on Iraq I questioned partially.  I questioned the timing, but not the need.

In fact, the last militay action I can say that I wuestioned the need for was when the US Army sent troops down to Honduras.  That action I am talking about was way back during the Reagan Administration!

In fact, I have talked in here before how we need to be involved in more areas (mostly because the UN is to frapping lazy or apathetic to do anything about it).  The most horrendous crime in my mind is genocide.  It is happening all over in Africa now, and nobody seems to give a damn.

Hey, Bob Geldolf, instead of having "Live 8" to tell people to stop African Hunger, how about having a "Life 9" concert, urging the world to do something about genocide?  If you do that, then the farmers can return to the fields, and stop a lot of the poverty.  It is hard for a farmer to grow food for his family, when the local warlord puts a gun in his hand and forces him to fight the neighbors to the South.

Quotes can be fun.

Who said it, Cindy Sheehan or David Duke?



Did you put those together?  Very clever!
So does this mean Sheehan is a white supremecist?
???

Interesting.  And I am sure I can find reverse flip-flops from the Democratic camp.  So what?  You are just proving that politicians try play political games with our servicemembers.

And where were all of you now who scream against Bush 8 years ago?  How many of you were screaming against Clinton when he got us involved in Yugoslavia and Somalia?  How many screamed in protest when Clinton launched air strikes and cruise missles against Iraq?  I bet most of you were silent.

Myself, I supported both actions.  You see, bad people in the world need to be stopped, by force if nessicary.  I place the lives of people above the desire to bash a political opponent.

In fact, the only thing I complained about was when Clinton put that "Military Gag Order" in place on servicemembers.  I never questioned the need to go in and stop genocide and mass killings of civilians.


here's the difference.  3 years after those wars (fought with the support of the UN) we no longer have 100.000+ troops stationed in those countries.  How many US soldiers were killed in action in those conflicts?  Notice how the politicans instantly drew comparisions to Vietnam in those quotes, but cry bloody murder when similar comparisions are made to the current war?  Did the US left come out and call everyone who spoke out against those conflicts traitors to the country (like the right did when the Iraq war was questioned)?

here's the difference.  3 years after those wars (fought with the support of the UN) we no longer have 100.000+ troops stationed in those countries.  How many US soldiers were killed in action in those conflicts?  Notice how the politicans instantly drew comparisions to Vietnam in those quotes, but cry bloody murder when similar comparisions are made to the current war?  Did the US left come out and call everyone who spoke out against those conflicts traitors to the country (like the right did when the Iraq war was questioned)?


Our leaving Somalia (along with the UN) I feel is a disgrace.  It is estimated that between 20,000-1000,000 have died in fighting since the pullout.  The warlords still controll the country, and the people are the ones that suffer.  That was Osama's first victory, and he proved his belief that if you want to force the US out of an area, just kill a few dozen of it servicemembers.  Then they tuck their tail between their legs and run away.

But it does not matter, Genocide in other countries do not seem to bother people anymore.  As long as it is not our people being killed.  And unlike some with no stomach, I did not scream for a pull-out when the "Blackhawk Down" incident occured.  I thought we should have gone in with even more force.

Instead, we now have a warlord who is benefiting from his experience as a US Marine who is controlling the area where his father once ruled.  Hussein Mohamed Aidid has been just as bloodthirsty as his father was.