There is a bill in the House to try to get a voting congressperson for Washington D.C. (they have a non-voting Rep now). I can't remember who has introduced the bill but what I think is b.s. is he is also trying to get another rep from Utah so the balance will be the same (D.C. would most definately have a Democrat and Utah would most definately have a Republican.) Personally, I think it is a good thing to have a repersentive from D.C. There are some D.C. licence plates that have "Taxation without Repersentation".


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what does a non-voting rep do?

There is a bill in the House to try to get a voting congressperson for Washington D.C. (they have a non-voting Rep now). I can't remember who has introduced the bill but what I think is b.s. is he is also trying to get another rep from Utah so the balance will be the same (D.C. would most definately have a Democrat and Utah would most definately have a Republican.) Personally, I think it is a good thing to have a repersentive from D.C. There are some D.C. licence plates that have "Taxation without Repersentation".


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I wouldn't say that Utah's rep would most definately be Republican.  We do have a dem in congress.  If the local Repubs try gerrymandering again, we would get another dem.  I think the people of the state of Utah are tired of the tyranical rule of the self righteous twits running our state. 

I think DC should have a voting rep.  They pay taxes, don't they?  They should have a say in how the country is ran, too.

I think the people of D.C. should have a voting representative in Congress. 
Republicans, of course, will be deadset against it.  Too many urban liberals, too many people of color who don't have any money!
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Again?

This bill was filed by Mr. Nortan.  This bill is like Ron Paul's HR-1146, which seeks to withdraw the US from the UN: every year it's filed, every year it fails, every year somebody tries again.

Now I wonder why democrats want a US House member and two US Senators to be elected from Washington DC....hmm...

I wouldn't say that Utah's rep would most definately be Republican....

I would.  The state is currently tied with Idaho for the most republican state.  The state went more for Bush than any other state (over 71% of the people in Utah voted for Bush in 2004.)

Both of Utah's US Senators are republicans, and two out of it's three US House members are republicans.

And what about that one democrat Utah elected to the US House?  Well his name is James Matheson, a democrat that puts Zell Miller to shame.  As a Mormon (remember he is from Utah) he voted for the partial birth abortion ban, he voted for the Laci Peterson bill, he voted for the bill to legalize all firearms in Washington DC (that bill is going to pass this year), he voted for a bill that would ban lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition, and has a high mark from the NRA.

I'm not going to write it all, but you might as well call Mr. Matheson a republican.  It's not his fault the Marxist democrats from the northeast make moderate democrats from every other part of America look bad.

Congressperson for Washington, DC

That is very politically correct.

I would.  The state is currently tied with Idaho for the most republican state.  The state went more for Bush than any other state (over 71% of the people in Utah voted for Bush in 2004.)

Both of Utah's US Senators are republicans, and two out of it's three US House members are republicans.

And what about that one democrat Utah elected to the US House?  Well his name is James Matheson, a democrat that puts Zell Miller to shame.  As a Mormon (remember he is from Utah) he voted for the partial birth abortion ban, he voted for the Laci Peterson bill, he voted for the bill to legalize all firearms in Washington DC (that bill is going to pass this year), he voted for a bill that would ban lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition, and has a high mark from the NRA.

I'm not going to write it all, but you might as well call Mr. Matheson a republican.  It's not his fault the Marxist democrats from the northeast make moderate democrats from every other part of America look bad.



You don't have to quote the Utah stats to me, I am in Utah.  I understand the balance of Republicans to Democrats in this state.  One other thing, Matheson's religion shouldn't matter.  There are lots of people against Partial Birth Abortion that aren't mormon.  And, just because you are from this state doesn't mean you are Mormon.  Trust me, I was born and raised here and am not nor will I ever be Mormon.  Idaho actually has more Mormons per capita than Utah does.

Do they not get to vote for president? 


They do get to vote for president.  Washington DC has three electoral votes.

  It's not his fault the Marxist democrats from the northeast make moderate democrats from every other part of America look bad.




Marxist Democrates?  On which planet?  And by the way, has anyone on this board besides me actually READ Karl Marx?  My guess is that if you had, his name would not be such a buzz word.

Exactly, my point was that they DO vote for president, they ARE citizens & the laws/bills passed by Congress affect them so why do they not have a vote regarding said laws/bills?


I don't know.  I always thought it was because they wanted the white house to be in an independent city, free from the jurisdiction of any state legislature.

Marxist Democrates?  On which planet?  And by the way, has anyone on this board besides me actually READ Karl Marx?  My guess is that if you had, his name would not be such a buzz word.


"All i know is that I am not a marxist" - Karl Marx, from my political quotes page-a-day calendar


    I've never actuaally read Marx, but I've learned that he believed economics to be the most important driving force in politics and he had a five step theory about political evolution which I don't remember all that well at the moment.

"All i know is that I am not a marxist" - Karl Marx, from my political quotes page-a-day calendar


    I've never actuaally read Marx, but I've learned that he believed economics to be the most important driving force in politics and he had a five step theory about political evolution which I don't remember all that well at the moment.


Yes, he did say that - to an admirer (who's name escapes me) and who had started a quasi-religious movement that accepted everything "The Moor" said as gospel.

If you take "economics" in its broadest terms, yes, it is central to his analysis of capitalism.  He agrued that the material forces of production and the social relations of production constituted the base of society, and that all else, forms of government, art, religion, etc, could only vary within bounds established by that economic base.  For example, fuedalism is based on unfree relations of production, landlords and serfs, so "democracy" was beyond the boundries.  Capitalism, on the other hand, is based on a "free" (from feudal obligations and rights) and mobile work force.  Thus, "democracy" falls within  the boundries set by the economic base.  As my Ukranian ex-patriot Western Civ professor (Taras Hunzak - love that name) who assigned Marx (The German Ideology to freshmen, use to say, "You MUST READ".

I am curious though.  Who else has read Marx?  He is tough going and no mistake, but the guy had lots of (I think) valid insights.  Oh, and in the same vien that Marx said he was not a marxist, neither am I.

Again?

This bill was filed by Mr. Nortan.  This bill is like Ron Paul's HR-1146, which seeks to withdraw the US from the UN: every year it's filed, every year it fails, every year somebody tries again.

Now I wonder why democrats want a US House member and two US Senators to be elected from Washington DC....hmm...


I'm not going to write it all, but you might as well call Mr. Matheson a republican.  It's not his fault the Marxist democrats from the northeast make moderate democrats from every other part of America look bad.

That is very politically correct.


Yeah, Congressmen, that's the manly man's way to say it!  None of this new-fangled "gender netural" hogwash!  Now, where's that Ann Coulter, she was supposed to come back to my place, bake me an apple pie, knit me a sweater, and give me a b*** j**!
Senators for DC?  I don't know, might as well go for full-fledged statheood.  The only problem I have with that is disproportionate power for the state of Columbia because it is home to the federal government.  That's what we wanted to avoid in the first place.  Perhaps it's time to reduce the DC to just the non-residential federal district, call it "Federal City," and incorporate Columbia into Maryland or Virginia.  "Not on your life!," Annapolis and Richmond would say!

Marxist Democrats?
I wish, I wish, I wish, oh how I wish!  More like military-petroleum big-money religious-zealot suck up Democrats!
Hope Bernie Sanders wins that Senate seat!  A bona-fide socialist senator would be awesome!
:)

Hope Bernie Sanders wins that Senate seat!  A bona-fide socialist senator would be awesome!
:)



He will. They did a poll against a few Republicans and Bernie was ahead in ALL of them.




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He will. They did a poll against a few Republicans and Bernie was ahead in ALL of them.




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So I hear!  Funny how a New York City socialist has done so well up in Vermont.  Could it be because Vermont has merely been repopulated by other New York City socialists?, or could it be that Sanders does right by Vermonters of every stripe?
???

So I hear!  Funny how a New York City socialist has done so well up in Vermont.  Could it be because Vermont has merely been repopulated by other New York City socialists?, or could it be that Sanders does right by Vermonters of every stripe?
???



I think both.




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