That's the point! Why would the DA put a witness on the stand to help out the defense? SOunds to me like someone reminded her at the last minute what would happen to her kids if MJ were to go to prison, and she changed her story.

The DA put Debbie Rowe on the stand because he thought it would help his case alot if MJ's ex-wife testified against him.
Tom Sneddon and other prosecution attorney's met with Debbie Rowe the night before her tetsimony to have dinner.
I don't know what was said during that dinner, but I know whatever it was made Debbie think, "This is not right. I'm not going to get on the stand and say what these guys are telling to say about my ex-husband. I'm going to say what I truly think. Stuff them."

*His first witness Martin Bashir refused to answer any questions.

*The "child porn" was revealed as copies of Playboy and Hustler. not true also  It included magazines -- with titles such as “Barely Legal” and “Teenage”
There was not "Teenage". But yes your right, there were things like "Barely legal", "Finally legal" but notice the word "legal". They are not classified as child pron, AND they were females, no males at all.
There was Teenage, I got it off of this site.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7220437/

*The accuser admitted to previosuly saying MJ never touched him.- so he won't get picked on at school
Not a good enough reason. It was a school deen. The deen's not going to go around spreading rumours that he was moelsted by Michael Jackson. Overall, the boy's testimony was just rubbish. His testimony was flooded with "I dont know", "I don't recall", "I'm not sure".
Most kids try to forget when stuff like that happens, some don't remember till years later

*The past acts were probably the strongest part of the DA's case, despite how weak the tetsimony's were.- past acts that were paid off
It proves nothing. He "paid off" Jordy Chandler and Jason Franscia. But both of these accuser's could of pursued a criminal trial against Michael Jackson. Why did both these accuser's file for a civil lawsuit? If I was molested, I'd want justice, not money.


*Debbie Rowe was lined up as a prosecution witness but helped the defense and set back the prosecution majorly. It backfired on Sneddon!! - she is trying to get her kids back- I know I would lie to protect my kids
You're just like the media. As soon as someone helps out the defense, they are lying. Will this be the same throughout the whole defense's case? I've heard people say that there is no way all those past acts witnesses were lying. Will you still have the same opinion when the defense present their case? Will you still say there is no way all those defense witnesses are lying?

the defense witnesses probably believe nothing happenes, pedophiles are good at hiding what they really are, plus Debbie rowe did say she lied in the rebutal tape about him being a good father. Before you could ask, I found that at the bottom of this site

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7220437/

Sorry, You are right, there was a magazine called "Teenage", I stand corrected.

Sorry, You are right, there was a magazine called "Teenage", I stand corrected.

I don't know about "Teenage," but "Barely Legal" is published by Larry Flynt.  All models are at least 18 y.o.  Any above-ground porn outfit is careful as h*ll about not letting minors in.  There are too many DAs who would love to make their political hay busting pornographers.  There is too much money at stake, and nobody wants to go to prison as a "child pornographer."  I mean, if it was legal for 14-year olds to participate in porn, Larry Flynt's people would do it.  They don't care about anybody as an individual.  They just wanna make money.
I do not condone exposing kids to porn, but how old were you when you saw your first porno mag?  I used sneak-peek my dad's Penthouses and Hustlers (not that the old man went to lengths to hide 'em) and it didn't do me any harm.  I mean, the photos of naked women weren't harmful.  Hustler particularly featured other items of racist, violent, misogynistic, pathological, and scatological natures that were rather toxic for a kid.
Anyway, if MJ was using porno mags as a prelude to molestation, they are worthwhile evidence even if they are legal and vanilla. 

I don't know about "Teenage," but "Barely Legal" is published by Larry Flynt.  All models are at least 18 y.o.   Any above-ground porn outfit is careful as h*ll about not letting minors in.  There are too many DAs who would love to make their political hay busting pornographers.  There is too much money at stake, and nobody wants to go to prison as a "child pornographer."  I mean, if it was legal for 14-year olds to participate in porn, Larry Flynt's people would do it.  They don't care about anybody as an individual.  They just wanna make money.
I do not condone exposing kids to porn, but how old were you when you saw your first porno mag?  I used sneak-peek my dad's Penthouses and Hustlers (not that the old man went to lengths to hide 'em) and it didn't do me any harm.  I mean, the photos of naked women weren't harmful.  Hustler particularly featured other items of racist, violent, misogynistic, pathological, and scatological natures that were rather toxic for a kid.
Anyway, if MJ was using porno mags as a prelude to molestation, they are worthwhile evidence even if they are legal and vanilla. 

Well, the prosecution claim Michael used porno mags to seduce the boy. But I have a big problem with this. I can't put my head around why someone would use adult, heterosexual porn to seduce a a boy into engaging in homersexual activities. It doesn't make sense. Do you agree that it doesn't seem very logical?
I don't believe MJ used porn to seduce the boy. It doesn't seem logical, AND the defense has a witness (a Neverland empoyee) who accidentaly walked in on the boy looking at Michael porn and masturbating (Michael was not in the room). There were fingerprints of Michael and the accuser found on one of the pron mags, but Michael's prints were on a different page to the boy's and it's obvious as to how the boy's prints got there if a Neverland employee saw the boy looking at it in private and masturbating.

First off, if these kids were so out of control, the employees saw them stealing, drinking, wrecking go karts, running wild, masturbating, etc. why were they allowed back?  Or did this all happen in one day?  ::) Second, why not use regular porn to get the kid horny so he (MJ) could "take care of that for him"?  My molester used "Hustler" to show me that what we were doing was "totally natural"...
I strongly sympathize for you, and I completely understand if you don't feel like you can answer this question. But, if you don't mind me asking, was your attacker a man? Because if he was, then it makes sense for him to try and seduce you with heterosexual porn. The fact that MJ's accuser is also male, makes it hard for me to believe that heterosexual porn would seduce him into engaging in homosexual activities.
To answer your question, yes, it did happen in one day. Apparently Michael let the boys roam around the house freely while he went off to do something else. The boy's found liquor, got drunk and went wild at Neverland. They were reported and the reports of the damages caused by the kids are being used as evidence. I don't think they ever came back after that. Again, I'm not sure because the timeline has changed so many times. I can't keep up.

I strongly sympathize for you, and I completely understand if you don't feel like you can answer this question. But, if you don't mind me asking, was your attacker a man? Because if he was, then it makes sense for him to try and seduce you with heterosexual porn. The fact that MJ's accuser is also male, makes it hard for me to believe that heterosexual porn would seduce him into engaging in homosexual activities.
To answer your question, yes, it did happen in one day. Apparently Michael let the boys roam around the house freely while he went off to do something else. The boy's found liquor, got drunk and went wild at Neverland. They were reported and the reports of the damages caused by the kids are being used as evidence. I don't think they ever came back after that. Again, I'm not sure because the timeline has changed so many times. I can't keep up.
Whatever! You may want to get more familiar with the term "Delusional" since it seems you and flit-boy share that trait ;)

Whatever! You may want to get more familiar with the term "Delusional" since it seems you and flit-boy share that trait ;)

Call me what you want, but there's no looking past the facts. When in comes down to it, the facts will decide this case, and the facts point to "NOT GUILTY!"
This is why the only person's opinion I truly value is crazymom's. Atleast she can back up her statements, and atleast she has a point. You just personally attack Michael and his fans and somehow think that if you keep doing it, it'll prove his guilty or something. I don't know what runs through you head but jokes, and personal attacks wont prove anything. But nice try. I suppose if evidence and facts can't prove his guilt than you have to resort to personal attacks.

Call me what you want, but there's no looking past the facts. When in comes down to it, the facts will decide this case, and the facts point to "NOT GUILTY!"
This is why the only person's opinion I truly value is crazymom's. Atleast she can back up her statements, and atleast she has a point. You just personally attack Michael and his fans and somehow think that if you keep doing it, it'll prove his guilty or something. I don't know what runs through you head but jokes, and personal attacks wont prove anything. But nice try. I suppose if evidence and facts can't prove his guilt than you have to resort to personal attacks.
Hey...let's not forget how "Jealous" I am ::) :D ;)

Hey...let's not forget how "Jealous" I am ::) :D ;)

Whatever. I'm just sick of people who think they can say whatever they want about Michael Jackson.

I just want this trial to end all ready.  ::)

Whatever. I'm just sick of people who think they can say whatever they want about Michael Jackson.
Hey, same here..."King of the ladies"...yeah, right, pal ::)

Whatever. I'm just sick of people who think they can say whatever they want about Michael Jackson.

In America, you can say anything you want about a public figure and say it, with a few narrowly defined exceptions, with impunity.  Thank God for that!

In America, you can say anything you want about a public figure and say it, with a few narrowly defined exceptions, with impunity.  Thank God for that!
Don't forget that you can also "Blindly" follow people, no matter how criminal/strange thier activity. BTW, I think "Smooth Criminal" was a autobiographical song for flit-boy...at least the title describes him/her/it accuratly  ;D

Don't forget that you can also "Blindly" follow people, no matter how criminal/strange thier activity. BTW, I think "Smooth Criminal" was a autobiographical song for flit-boy...at least the title describes him/her/it accuratly  ;D

Might be a good epithet for Dubya, too, but Dubya isn't even smooth.  MJ isn't smooth either, but only children follow him.  Grownups by the millions follow Dubya, and, unlike MJ, Dubya can't dance, can't sing, and can't even write a goofy love song.  Go figure!
:D

Might be a good epithet for Dubya, too, but Dubya isn't even smooth.  MJ isn't smooth either, but only children follow him.  Grownups by the millions follow Dubya, and, unlike MJ, Dubya can't dance, can't sing, and can't even write a goofy love song.  Go figure!
:D
Hey, I'm not a huge Bush fan but it's really fun to drive arounfd and tease people that STILL have thier Kerry stickers on thier cars ;D Anyway, I agree with you about Bush ::)

From what I have read Jackson is a long term, unrepentant pedophile.  He certainly is a scarry little creep.  His celebrity and wealth should not shield him.  What a sick-o.

From what I have read Jackson is a long term, unrepentant pedophile.  He certainly is a scarry little creep.  His celebrity and wealth should not shield him.  What a sick-o.


  Allegedly

From what I have read Jackson is a long term, unrepentant pedophile.  He certainly is a scarry little creep.  His celebrity and wealth should not shield him.  What a sick-o.
GOTTA stick the word "Allegedly" in there...you know...like when OJ was "Allegedly" accused of murder ::)

GOTTA stick the word "Allegedly" in there...you know...like when OJ was "Allegedly" accused of murder ::)


You do!!..

how the Hell did OJ get off with that??

You do!!..

how the Hell did OJ get off with that??
The same way flit-boy will...get some high priced lawyers and pay off the judge. Jackson WILL get away with these crimes of molestation...but as with the OJ trial...I won't like it >:(

I assume 'flit' is some American term for paedo related activity..is it??

I assume 'flit' is some American term for paedo related activity..is it??
All I know is a DJ uttered the term about sicko, years ago. I do know it's NOT a term of endearment though ;)

Rock Fan, you say MJ will got off like OJ did. Why compare MJ to OJ? MJ deserves a fair trial like every other American, and people shouldn't let his celebrity status overcloud the trial, the evidence, the facts etc. If you look at what has happened thus far in the trial, it's obvious Michael Jackson is not guilty. Why can't you just treat him like any other person who is under trial?
The DA is loosing badly, and it's only goign to get worse when the defense present their case. This case is nothing more than a big waste of tax payers money. What Sneddon is trying to do is ruin Michael Jackson's reputation. He doesn't care for putting Michael Jackson in jail, or convicting him. He just wanted his last case before he retires to be the big one, the Michael Jackson case.
I'm not blidnly following anyone. I truly believe he is innocent and I don't understand how you people can look past the facts. In the end this trial will be decided on the facts. And the facts say Michael Jackson is innocent. 

I truly believe he is innocent and I don't understand how you people can look past the facts. In the end this trial will be decided on the facts. And the facts say Michael Jackson is innocent. 
This coming from the same person who said I was "Jealous" of Jackson and that he's the king of the ladies? Yeah, I'll be sure and take YOU seriously :D

This coming from the same person who said I was "Jealous" of Jackson and that he's the king of the ladies? Yeah, I'll be sure and take YOU seriously :D

You wont get off it will you?
Maybe I took it too far calling him "King of the ladies", but I can't understand how people can say Michael has never ahd a healthy adult relationship. That's ridculous. He's got ladies lining up for him. Did you see Debbie Rowe's testimony? Geez.
Any, sorry if I took it too far but I also recall somone calling him "King of Molestation".
Just get off it. This allwasy ahppens with you. You get stuck on one thing,a nd you wont let it go. Just like the PJ episode. You couldn't get off it and you kept saying, "well, atleast i don't turn up to court in PJ's".
GET OFF IT! 

You wont get off it will you?
Maybe I took it too far calling him "King of the ladies", but I can't understand how people can say Michael has never ahd a healthy adult relationship. That's ridculous. He's got ladies lining up for him. Did you see Debbie Rowe's testimony? Geez.
Any, sorry if I took it too far but I also recall somone calling him "King of Molestation".
Just get off it. This allwasy ahppens with you. You get stuck on one thing,a nd you wont let it go. Just like the PJ episode. You couldn't get off it and you kept saying, "well, atleast i don't turn up to court in PJ's".
GET OFF IT! 
He disrespected a court of law and his fans laugh it off as a joke. As for the "Line" of ladies....they want his MONEY! Enjoy his victory ;)

He disrespected a court of law and his fans laugh it off as a joke. As for the "Line" of ladies....they want his MONEY! Enjoy his victory ;)

I'm sure I will. On vindication day there's gonna be a huge party all round the worl'!

I assume 'flit' is some American term for paedo related activity..is it??

"Flit" is an outdated pejorative for a homosexual. 

I find myself getting more and more excited about the DA's case ending. To think that this 12 year nightmare is ending in a matter or 2 days, is WONDERFUL!! 12 years.... crap we've been through alot. I just can't wait for it to be ove. Two more days until the 12 year nightmare is over. Finally Michael gets to raise his voice. Sneddon's been speaking out about Michael for 12 fudgeing years and it's about bloody time Michael got the chance to stand up for himself.
To the world, he may be one person. But to one person he means the world!