We won't miss you Bin Laden.  ::) 8-P

Turns out someone else has said what I was thinking..

I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy.

..trust some old dead guy to have got there first.

neocons are crying now that Bush doesn't get enough credit for Bin Laden's death

all I have in response are some words from Bush himself:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

..trust some old dead guy to have got there first.

..except that it turns out, he didn't.

Fanstastic thing, the internet, ain't it?

neocons are crying now that Bush doesn't get enough credit for Bin Laden's death

all I have in response are some words from Bush himself:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)




I was planning to post that quote.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o


Cat

neocons are crying now that Bush doesn't get enough credit for Bin Laden's death

all I have in response are some words from Bush himself:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)





Stealing this to post elsewhere.

I was planning to post that quote.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o


Cat


Stealing this too  ;)

The Bushes and the Bin Ladens were business buddies.

So, Osama wasn't in some dank cave in Afghanistan but in a million-dollar compound in the suburbs of Islamabad.

"Never rat on you friends,
And always keep your mouth shut."

-- Jimmy Conway

Maybe they kinda did and kinda didn't know where Osama was. 

Anyway, can't we all just breathe a sigh of relief they got the bastard?
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/07/nixweiss.gif

The Bushes and the Bin Ladens were business buddies.

So, Osama wasn't in some dank cave in Afghanistan but in a million-dollar compound in the suburbs of Islamabad.

"Never rat on you friends,
And always keep your mouth shut."

-- Jimmy Conway

Maybe they kinda did and kinda didn't know where Osama was. 

Anyway, can't we all just breathe a sigh of relief they got the bastard?
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/07/nixweiss.gif

Well put, Max. Let's end this ridiculous feuding now. If nothing else, we should all be dancing and cheering together over the destruction of our common enemy!

Still Trying To Be A Pal,
Doc
:D

http://www.thecitrusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/osama_bin_laden_killed-605x665.png


I always thought they should have dressed Osama up in a pink bunny suit.

neocons are crying now that Bush doesn't get enough credit for Bin Laden's death


But perhaps George W. Bush does deserve some credit in all this.

I mean, in 2008 one of the campaign promises Barack Obama made was that as soon as he took office, he was going to close the Guantanamo Bay facilities and end all use of "enhanced interrogation techniques," two of the things which the Bush administration was so vilified for. Yet after he was sworn in, Obama changed nothing.

And in the speech he gave to the nation announcing the successful mission to terminate bin Laden, Obama mentioned that some of the information used to locate OBL was obtained from by using enhanced interrogation techniques on detainees in Guantanamo Bay.

President Obama certainly deserves praise for having the courage to make the right decision here, but he also mentioned that the initial lead which ultimately helped US intelligence locate bin Laden was first discovered 4 years ago, well before he took office, and he was simply continuing the policies which Bush first implemented while he was still in office.

And although I never was exactly a big fan of W, perhaps this may vindicate his policies some.

And in the speech he gave to the nation announcing the successful mission to terminate bin Laden, Obama mentioned that some of the information used to locate OBL was obtained from by using enhanced interrogation techniques on detainees in Guantanamo Bay.

Could you point to a reference where Obama has actually said that?

When I've googled, most of what I've found are right-wing torture-apologists saying that he said this, no actual reports.

And this page where (unlike the pages saying Obama has agreed that torture works) he actually links to his sources.

http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/88336/1304367270/Buriedatseamyass8.gif

But perhaps George W. Bush does deserve some credit in all this.

I mean, in 2008 one of the campaign promises Barack Obama made was that as soon as he took office, he was going to close the Guantanamo Bay facilities and end all use of "enhanced interrogation techniques," two of the things which the Bush administration was so vilified for. Yet after he was sworn in, Obama changed nothing.

And in the speech he gave to the nation announcing the successful mission to terminate bin Laden, Obama mentioned that some of the information used to locate OBL was obtained from by using enhanced interrogation techniques on detainees in Guantanamo Bay.

President Obama certainly deserves praise for having the courage to make the right decision here, but he also mentioned that the initial lead which ultimately helped US intelligence locate bin Laden was first discovered 4 years ago, well before he took office, and he was simply continuing the policies which Bush first implemented while he was still in office.

And although I never was exactly a big fan of W, perhaps this may vindicate his policies some.


Well sure, but doesn't that mean also four years of inactivity on W's part, only for Obama to finally decide to act?  Maybe I'm reading it wrong but that's what I'm seeing.

But perhaps George W. Bush does deserve some credit in all this.

I mean, in 2008 one of the campaign promises Barack Obama made was that as soon as he took office, he was going to close the Guantanamo Bay facilities and end all use of "enhanced interrogation techniques," two of the things which the Bush administration was so vilified for. Yet after he was sworn in, Obama changed nothing.

And in the speech he gave to the nation announcing the successful mission to terminate bin Laden, Obama mentioned that some of the information used to locate OBL was obtained from by using enhanced interrogation techniques on detainees in Guantanamo Bay.

President Obama certainly deserves praise for having the courage to make the right decision here, but he also mentioned that the initial lead which ultimately helped US intelligence locate bin Laden was first discovered 4 years ago, well before he took office, and he was simply continuing the policies which Bush first implemented while he was still in office.

And although I never was exactly a big fan of W, perhaps this may vindicate his policies some.


I must have listened to the wrong speech. Because Obama never said it was from "enhanced interrogation techniques" aka torture. 

Debate over torture reignited with death of Osama bin Laden

An Associated Press report, quoting unnamed U.S. officials, states that Mohammed confirmed knowing the courier, but downplayed the man’s significance. Relying on interviews with White House and intelligence sources, the New York Times said that Mohammed’s vehement denial of ever hearing the courier’s name made his interrogators suspicious.

...

Furthermore, it appears the true identity of al-Kuwaiti surfaced thanks to CIA case officers on the ground in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The only real useful information turned up in the last two years since all the black sites were shut down and Obama shut down the torture rooms. Six years of torture and they didn't have a city name or even confirmation the courier was real or what his name really was.  Real "useful" information.

Bush had the hard choice of deciding whether to risk large American casualties in Tora Bora for a chance to get Osama and he wussed out.  Obama had to make a similar choice last week and made the right one.  He could have easily ended up looking like Jimmy Carter had the raid not been successful, or if it wasn't really Osama's hideout.

an even better explanation of why the torture produced very little in the way of useful information from Wired

Osama bin Laden had 500 euros and two secret telephone numbers sewn into his clothes when he was killed, US sources have revealed.

On a night of such victory, you seriously want to start a fight? UN-FIX IT! If you listened to Obama's statement last night, he graciously gave George W. proper credit for his role in this victory, just as you never would. Beyond that, he gave all the remaining credit to the CIA and our Armed Forces. Just like you, I don't appreciate my words being twisted around, especially in this Michael-Moore-style.

Doc
>:(


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/05/04/how-to-fight-the-lie-that-obama-doesnt-deserve-credit-for-bin-ladens-death/

Some light reading for those amongst us that wish to downplay Obama's role in the entire "killing of Osama"....pay special attention to the lines "Many are also trying their best to give Bush all the credit due to partisan politics rather than the facts...Osama bin Laden didn’t kill anyone on 9/11 but he did order the mission and he gets blamed for it doesn’t he? Our president is the Commander in Chief and in this case he had a very difficult call to make which he got absolutely right."  Rather hard to dispute ANY of those statements....

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/05/04/how-to-fight-the-lie-that-obama-doesnt-deserve-credit-for-bin-ladens-death/

Some light reading for those amongst us that wish to downplay Obama's role in the entire "killing of Osama"....pay special attention to the lines "Many are also trying their best to give Bush all the credit due to partisan politics rather than the facts...Osama bin Laden didn’t kill anyone on 9/11 but he did order the mission and he gets blamed for it doesn’t he? Our president is the Commander in Chief and in this case he had a very difficult call to make which he got absolutely right."  Rather hard to dispute ANY of those statements....



KARMA OWED.....


O0

KARMA OWED.....


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I got her for ya.



Cat

I got her for ya.



Cat


thank you.... and I got you....... for me! ;)

One thing hasn't been mentioned (at least I don't think it has), is the fact that this mission was NOT outsourced to the likes of Blackwater or some other mercenary government contractor. Our military can do the job, thank you without spending boocoo bucks.



Cat

thank you.... and I got you....... for me! ;)




I WAS going to say, "Right back at ya" but I got this: Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 24 hours.  :\'( :\'(



Cat

I WAS going to say, "Right back at ya" but I got this: Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 24 hours.  :\'( :\'(



Cat


'sokay....I can wait!

I gotcha' both ;)

As a friend of mine (who's a DIEHARD Conservative {Catholic} Republican) on Facebook said:

I'm no fan of Obama, but, like him or not, HE signed the order. He's the CinC. Legally speaking, he as good as pulled the trigger. Deal with it.

I gotcha' both ;)

As a friend of mine (who's a DIEHARD Conservative {Catholic} Republican) on Facebook said:

I'm no fan of Obama, but, like him or not, HE signed the order. He's the CinC. Legally speaking, he as good as pulled the trigger. Deal with it.


See that's all I want to hear. I just want the man the credit he's owed. No he wasn't in the battle but the people in charge rarely are. 

They killed him in a mansion, so I'm sort of doubting the whole cave thing now.

For once we agree! All those videos were misinformation, too bad we didn't bury his ashes in a cave, the irony would have been hilarious!

And Speaking Of That...
My hand to the Almighty, Jessica. When i made that joke I had no idea you were too young to remember the source, and I only meant it in jest. I never meant it intending to create an enemy for life! by my posting this link, I hope to heaven you will understand. Let's not do this blog warfare anymore, life is too short.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/anl-point-counterpoint-on-nuclear-power-generation-jane-curtin/4ae287e43404ee874dc14ae287e43404ee874dc1-889078351201?q=youtube+jane+you+ignorant+snl+video&FROM=LKVR5&GT1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR3
Have a nice day.

Your Political Rival,
Doc
::)

^ I am old enough to remember the source. I got the reference right away. It was still rude and offensive and I found no humor in your posting it.
Especially in the heat of an argument. It was vicious, vile and immature. An adult would apologize rather than try to excuse at as a lane attempt at humor. Even if tgat really was your true intention it obviously backfired.

For once we agree! All those videos were misinformation, too bad we didn't bury his ashes in a cave, the irony would have been hilarious!

And Speaking Of That...
My hand to the Almighty, Jessica. When i made that joke I had no idea you were too young to remember the source, and I only meant it in jest. I never meant it intending to create an enemy for life! by my posting this link, I hope to heaven you will understand. Let's not do this blog warfare anymore, life is too short.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/anl-point-counterpoint-on-nuclear-power-generation-jane-curtin/4ae287e43404ee874dc14ae287e43404ee874dc1-889078351201?q=youtube+jane+you+ignorant+snl+video&FROM=LKVR5&GT1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR3
Have a nice day.

Your Political Rival,
Doc
::)

So it doesn't count as insulting if you're only quoting a joke?

In that case, you're obviously the sort of man we used to describe at school as a complete prick. If I may use a gardening simile here, if your entire family may be likened to a compost heap (and I think they can) then you are the biggest weed growing out of it. You're the sort of man people emigrate to avoid. Either this man is suffering from serious brain damage or the new vacuum cleaner's arrived.  I spurn you as I would spurn a rabid dog.



(obviously, I'm looking forward to using the same speech when my own daughters get married)

So it doesn't count as insulting if you're only quoting a joke?

In that case, you're obviously the sort of man we used to describe at school as a complete prick. If I may use a gardening simile here, if your entire family may be likened to a compost heap (and I think they can) then you are the biggest weed growing out of it. You're the sort of man people emigrate to avoid. Either this man is suffering from serious brain damage or the new vacuum cleaner's arrived.  I spurn you as I would spurn a rabid dog.



(obviously, I'm looking forward to using the same speech when my own daughters get married)

Yes, Snoz, it did blow up in my face, and I'm still waiting for my eyebrows to grow back! Of course, that hasn't stopped YOU, who I never insulted, from pouring salt in the wounds!
And Philbo? You dare drag my FAMILY into this!? No one on this board has sunk THAT low! I tried to make peace and this is what I get? Clearly some people just thrive on being "vicious, vile, and immature. I certainly hope your girls take after their mother, after that little spew!

Your Bludgeoned-With His-Own-Olive-Branch Co-Poster,
Doc
>:(

So it doesn't count as insulting if you're only quoting a joke?

In that case, you're obviously the sort of man we used to describe at school as a complete prick. If I may use a gardening simile here, if your entire family may be likened to a compost heap (and I think they can) then you are the biggest weed growing out of it. You're the sort of man people emigrate to avoid. Either this man is suffering from serious brain damage or the new vacuum cleaner's arrived.  I spurn you as I would spurn a rabid dog.



(obviously, I'm looking forward to using the same speech when my own daughters get married)



Billy Madison?

Perhaps he who dishes it out should also learn how to take it like a man.

Yes, Snoz, it did blow up in my face, and I'm still waiting for my eyebrows to grow back! Of course, that hasn't stopped YOU, who I never insulted, from pouring salt in the wounds!
And Philbo? You dare drag my FAMILY into this!? No one on this board has sunk THAT low! I tried to make peace and this is what I get? Clearly some people just thrive on being "vicious, vile, and immature. I certainly hope your girls take after their mother, after that little spew!

Your Bludgeoned-With His-Own-Olive-Branch Co-Poster,
Doc
>:(



A) you offended me more than once with the stuff you type

B) you insulted someone I consider a friend

C) when you call one woman a slut (even in "jest") it is offensive to all women

D) you're the one who opened that wound in the first place


The thing is we have different political views....that's fine that's what this country is based on but I will not stand by and listen to your hateful rhetoric about our president  your side lost this time (and hopefully next time too) Deal with it and move on.

Perhaps he who dishes it out should also learn how to take it like a man.



and what Rice said....

Billy Madison?

No, Rowan Atkinson (from "Not the Nine-O'Clock News")

A) you offended me more than once with the stuff you type

B) you insulted someone I consider a friend

C) when you call one woman a slut (even in "jest") it is offensive to all women

D) you're the one who opened that wound in the first place


The thing is we have different political views....that's fine that's what this country is based on but I will not stand by and listen to your hateful rhetoric about our president  your side lost this time (and hopefully next time too) Deal with it and move on.

That's strange, all i've ever gotten from you and Jess)who I've tried to make peace with) is ridicule and 'hateful rhetoric' about the last man who led our country, and he did not wait nearly two and a half years to get anything done. Your arguements seem to be based more on shooting me down than dealing with facts. Now, I am trying to leave this debate with some semblance of dignity. Life is too short for this, let's ALL move on!

Nursing the Offered(And Crushed) Hand,
Doc
>:(

That's strange, all i've ever gotten from you and Jess)who I've tried to make peace with) is ridicule and 'hateful rhetoric' about the last man who led our country, and he did not wait nearly two and a half years to get anything done. Your arguements seem to be based more on shooting me down than dealing with facts. Now, I am trying to leave this debate with some semblance of dignity. Life is too short for this, let's ALL move on!

Nursing the Offered(And Crushed) Hand,
Doc
>:(


I think the problem is when you're presented with facts or a valid retort you choose to ignore it.

That's strange, all i've ever gotten from you and Jess)who I've tried to make peace with) is ridicule and 'hateful rhetoric' about the last man who led our country, and he did not wait nearly two and a half years to get anything done. Your arguements seem to be based more on shooting me down than dealing with facts. Now, I am trying to leave this debate with some semblance of dignity. Life is too short for this, let's ALL move on!



I refer the honorable gentleman to the answer I gave in the other thread:


There is a definite difference between how you see your interaction on this forum and how it comes across to everyone else.

You post some things that are pure and simply ill-thought-out rubbish, and your reaction when this is pointed out is to claim attacks and some kind of victim status.

If you want to leave with dignity, it is far more dignified to admit you've been wrong about something and move on than it is to whinge about people being against you.  You really do need to reassess some of your deeply-held beliefs (and here I mean political rather than simply religious.. though actually giving the latter some analytical thought can never be a bad thing) because you're taking faith-based positions on matters that are easily proven not to be correct.

I refer the honorable gentleman to the answer I gave in the other thread:



dammit....we need to change the karma rule!

That's strange, all i've ever gotten from you and Jess)who I've tried to make peace with) is ridicule and 'hateful rhetoric' about the last man who led our country, and he did not wait nearly two and a half years to get anything done. Your arguements seem to be based more on shooting me down than dealing with facts. Now, I am trying to leave this debate with some semblance of dignity. Life is too short for this, let's ALL move on!

Nursing the Offered(And Crushed) Hand,
Doc
>:(



He waited 2 & 1/2 years to get anything done? I beg to differ. Here is the SHORT list:


MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT (LARGEST EVER)

CHRYSLER SAVED

GM SAVED/GOVERNMENT LOANS REPAID

800,000 MONTHLY JOB LOSSES NOW MONTHLY GAINS

EDUCATION SPENDING INCREASED

STUDENT LOAN COSTS DECREASED

HATE CRIME LAWS STRENGTHENED

AFFORDABLE CARE ACT

CHIPS EXPANDED

ENFORCEMENT OF CHILD LABOR LAWS

WALL STREET REFORM

CREDIT CARD REFORM

PREDATORY LENDING TO SOLDIERS RESTRICTED

TROOPS PAID FOR STOP LOSS TIME

TORTURE STOPPED

VA SPENDING INCREASED

WOMEN CAN SERVE ON SUBS

EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN

NUCLEAR ARMS REDUCTION AND DISPOSAL

BP AGREES TO $20 BILLION CLEAN-UP FUND

(WHICH SAVES US TAXPAYERS $20 BILLION)

EPA STRENGTHENED

FDA POWERS BROADENED

9/11 RESPONDERS HEALTHCARE FUNDING

DADT REPEALED





Oh yeah, and he got Osama Bin Laden.



Cat

He waited 2 & 1/2 years to get anything done? I beg to differ. Here is the SHORT list:

But he hasn't invaded a single country!  What kind of wimp lame-ass president do you have now?  If Bush had still been there, you'd have a standing army in Iran and probably France, costing the taxpayer even more trillions and causing much whooping amongst the red-blooded right-wing Christian types who seem to love that kind of thing.

<ducks>

But he hasn't invaded a single country!  What kind of wimp lame-ass president do you have now?  If Bush had still been there, you'd have a standing army in Iran and probably France, costing the taxpayer even more trillions and causing much whooping amongst the red-blooded right-wing Christian types who seem to love that kind of thing.

<ducks>


you forgot to mention North Korea....  ;)



Karma Cat!

But he hasn't invaded a single country!  What kind of wimp lame-ass president do you have now?  If Bush had still been there, you'd have a standing army in Iran and probably France, costing the taxpayer even more trillions and causing much whooping amongst the red-blooded right-wing Christian types who seem to love that kind of thing.

<ducks>



;D ;D ;D ;D

Karma.



you forgot to mention North Korea....  ;)



Karma Cat!



Right back at ya. (The karma button was working this time.  ;) )



Cat

;D ;D ;D ;D

Karma.



Right back at ya. (The karma button was working this time.  ;) )



Cat



mine too fortunately too bad it wouldn't let me karma philbo again I owe him two more....at least two more  ;D

mine too fortunately too bad it wouldn't let me karma philbo again I owe him two more....at least two more  ;D

Not meaning to sound ungrateful, but you owe me nothing - I'm pleased you enjoyed the comments, thats enough for me :)


you forgot to mention North Korea....  ;)

:)

..do you think they'd have been invaded, or nuked to a pile of ashes?

PS.. does cracking jokes to people give me karma make me a Karma Comedian? (with apologies to Culture Club)

..do you think they'd have been invaded, or nuked to a pile of ashes?



We wouldn't go into North Korea. They don't have oil.



Cat

Not meaning to sound ungrateful, but you owe me nothing - I'm pleased you enjoyed the comments, thats enough for me :)
:)

..do you think they'd have been invaded, or nuked to a pile of ashes?



oh I think they would have been invaded, neutralized and then nuked....  ;)

We wouldn't go into North Korea. They don't have oil.



Cat


but they could hiding some super secret squirrel technology we don't know about... I mean in a country where they have no social structure or recreational livelyhood what else could they be doing but creating the next best invention since the iPad.....  :D

PS.. does cracking jokes to people give me karma make me a Karma Comedian? (with apologies to Culture Club)


;D

Darn karma rule gets in my way...

We wouldn't go into North Korea. They don't have oil.



Cat


But, unlike Iraq, they DO have weapons of mass destruction.

But, unlike Iraq, they DO have weapons of mass destruction.


that too...

but they could hiding some super secret squirrel technology we don't know about... I mean in a country where they have no social structure or recreational livelyhood what else could they be doing but creating the next best invention since the iPad.....   :D





Well, they do dance.



Cat

BTW... I'm thinking it would've been more likely for GWB to invade Libya. At least there's some oil there.

He waited 2 & 1/2 years to get anything done? I beg to differ. Here is the SHORT list:
CHRYSLER SAVED
GM SAVED/GOVERNMENT LOANS REPAID
800,000 MONTHLY JOB LOSSES NOW MONTHLY GAINS
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
WALL STREET REFORM
CREDIT CARD REFORM
NUCLEAR ARMS REDUCTION AND DISPOSAL
VA SPENDING INCREASED
WOMEN CAN SERVE ON SUBS
DADT REPEALED

I really don't want to argue anymore, but this argument is exceptionally well-thought-out, rather than being an assalut on me personally.

GM as not exactly saved so much as salvaged. Those 800,000 job losses you mention included the entire Pontiac and Saturn car companies, which were owned by GM.

Wall Street and Credit cards have been reformed, yes, but the damage to our economy caused by them in the first place has not been repaired., the unemployment rate is still unacceptably high.

The U.S. does not really need our nuclear weapons reduced and disposed of nearly as much as we need that done in countries like North Korea and Iran, something I think we can all agree on.

Women serving on Subs, and the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy has been abolished? I'm all for equal rights, but how much impact does that really have on your life, unless you're serving in the military? Besides, I am sick and tired of seeing the issue of Homosexual rights on the news. This should not even BE AN ISSUE, because someone's sexual preference in is, in all truth, NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS. Aside from preventing hate crimes, don't we have far bigger problems to focus on?

And affordable health care/VA spending? I would know nothing about that, because my own father, a Vietnam Veteran, was denied coverage by the Veterna's Administration for his most recent surgery(I prefer not to giving details) because it needed to be done in a non-VA hospital that had more advanced medicine, so I don't know what it will cost he & my mother in medical bills.

Incidentally, it was because of this development in my life that I wish to end all debate and personal/political attacks. As I said before,
Life is too short to waste time arguing. And so, now I'm done.

Your... associate for now,
Doc
:-X

I really don't want to argue anymore, but this argument is exceptionally well-thought-out, rather than being an assalut on me personally.

GM as not exactly saved so much as salvaged. Those 800,000 job losses you mention included the entire Pontiac and Saturn car companies, which were owned by GM.

Wall Street and Credit cards have been reformed, yes, but the damage to our economy caused by them in the first place has not been repaired., the unemployment rate is still unacceptably high.

The U.S. does not really need our nuclear weapons reduced and disposed of nearly as much as we need that done in countries like North Korea and Iran, something I think we can all agree on.

Women serving on Subs, and the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy has been abolished? I'm all for equal rights, but how much impact does that really have on your life, unless you're serving in the military? Besides, I am sick and tired of seeing the issue of Homosexual rights on the news. This should not even BE AN ISSUE, because someone's sexual preference in is, in all truth, NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS. Aside from preventing hate crimes, don't we have far bigger problems to focus on?

And affordable health care/VA spending? I would know nothing about that, because my own father, a Vietnam Veteran, was denied coverage by the Veterna's Administration for his most recent surgery(I prefer not to giving details) because it needed to be done in a non-VA hospital that had more advanced medicine, so I don't know what it will cost he & my mother in medical bills.

Incidentally, it was because of this development in my life that I wish to end all debate and personal/political attacks. As I said before,
Life is too short to waste time arguing. And so, now I'm done.

Your... associate for now,
Doc
:-X


The thing is with DADT, men & women were being outted and kicked out of the military. Many of them were Farsi speakers who the military needs-especially with our activities in the Middle East. So, in a sense, that does have an impact on your life as it has an impact on our national security.

I am sorry that your father was denied coverage by the V.A. Without knowing the details, it is hard to say if there was a reason for it. I have had good luck dealing with the V.A. for the most part. They tried to deny funding for my annual mammogram that I have done at our local hospital but I just called Bernie Sanders office and it was taken care of.


Cat 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTl8M0CRt6s

I really don't want to argue anymore, but this argument is exceptionally well-thought-out, rather than being an assalut on me personally.

GM as not exactly saved so much as salvaged. Those 800,000 job losses you mention included the entire Pontiac and Saturn car companies, which were owned by GM.

Wall Street and Credit cards have been reformed, yes, but the damage to our economy caused by them in the first place has not been repaired., the unemployment rate is still unacceptably high.

The U.S. does not really need our nuclear weapons reduced and disposed of nearly as much as we need that done in countries like North Korea and Iran, something I think we can all agree on.

Women serving on Subs, and the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy has been abolished? I'm all for equal rights, but how much impact does that really have on your life, unless you're serving in the military? Besides, I am sick and tired of seeing the issue of Homosexual rights on the news. This should not even BE AN ISSUE, because someone's sexual preference in is, in all truth, NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS. Aside from preventing hate crimes, don't we have far bigger problems to focus on?

And affordable health care/VA spending? I would know nothing about that, because my own father, a Vietnam Veteran, was denied coverage by the Veterna's Administration for his most recent surgery(I prefer not to giving details) because it needed to be done in a non-VA hospital that had more advanced medicine, so I don't know what it will cost he & my mother in medical bills.

Incidentally, it was because of this development in my life that I wish to end all debate and personal/political attacks. As I said before,
Life is too short to waste time arguing. And so, now I'm done.

Your... associate for now,
Doc
:-X


So what you're saying is that you don't like what Obama has done, fine, but that's much different than saying he hasn't done anything. 

C) when you call one woman a slut (even in "jest") it is offensive to all women

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80nW6AOhTs

Toronto Slut Walk  :o



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOCnZOcr8w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80nW6AOhTs


Unless you're dan ackroyd. I think the trick is to know your audience and when doc referenced that very bit and called jess an ignorant slut in the heat of battle it was not well timed and def not well received

Toronto Slut Walk   :o



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOCnZOcr8w


I totally get what they're doing and good for them.
I firmly believe a woman should be able to walk down the street naked if she wants and not get harassed, manhandled or raped.

I also believe I should be able to walk away from MY car with iPhone, iPad, wallet and cash in plain view and leave the keys in the ignition. Yet I always hide my valuables and lock my door.  Just because I have the right to do something doesn't make it any less ill advised.

Thank you, SnoZ. I'm glad someone realized that I was not trying to demean all women, let alone start a posting war. I don't know why I was notified of these new posts, I was sure I had shut the service off, but reading that, now I'm glad they let me know. Peace!

Done Arguing,
Doc
:)

P.S.: You are also right with your 'slutwalk' comments. I would have no objection to anybody (m or f) allowed to walk along the road naked. However, with society the way it is, there's NO WAY I could recommend it! :o

Thank you, SnoZ. I'm glad someone realized that I was not trying to demean all women, let alone start a posting war.

Done Arguing,
Doc
:)

P.S.: You are also right with your 'slutwalk' comments. I would have no objection to anybody (m or f) allowed to walk along the road naked. However, with society the way it is, there's NO WAY I could recommend it! :o

Unless you're dan ackroyd. I think the trick is to know your audience and

when doc referenced that very bit and called jess an ignorant slut in the heat of battle it was not well timed and def not well received


I thought the "by myself and others" part was implied since I already said my piece earlier but apparently I needed to add to it for those who read stuff and see what they want to see in what they read  ::)

"Jane, you ignorant slut" is a reference to a canonical SNL skit, so I'm willing to give Doc the benefit of the doubt - even if I might disagree with him on mostly everything else.


Toronto Slut Walk   :o


Glad you beat me to it.  Not every usage of the word "slut" is misogynist.  Kicking it west coast style, Dossie Easton and Catherine Liszt approve, although I have a hunch Doc Brown wouldn't :)

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But seeing as how this is a thread about the death of OBL, let's sing!

Thank you, SnoZ. I'm glad someone realized that I was not trying to demean all women, let alone start a posting war. I don't know why I was notified of these new posts, I was sure I had shut the service off, but reading that, now I'm glad they let me know. Peace!

Done Arguing,
Doc
:)

P.S.: You are also right with your 'slutwalk' comments. I would have no objection to anybody (m or f) allowed to walk along the road naked. However, with society the way it is, there's NO WAY I could recommend it! :o


In Montpelier VT they have an annual naked bike ride - never seen it tho

I once got a call from a former student employee (he didn't last long because he had integrity issues which will soon be apparent)  He called to report a girl who was intoxicated and passed out on the street.... he was calling because someone was attempting to steal her watch.  He said that he'd been standing there for 20 minutes watching people grope her and stuff... that didn't alarm him but when they started taking her watch he felt that was wrong  :o  ::)  >:(