There is a definite difference between how you see your interaction on this forum and how it comes across to everyone else.

You post some things that are pure and simply ill-thought-out rubbish, and your reaction when this is pointed out is to claim attacks and some kind of victim status.

If you want to leave with dignity, it is far more dignified to admit you've been wrong about something and move on than it is to whinge about people being against you.  You really do need to reassess some of your deeply-held beliefs (and here I mean political rather than simply religious.. though actually giving the latter some analytical thought can never be a bad thing) because you're taking faith-based positions on matters that are easily proven not to be correct.


Yeah, and in an extremely "in your face" manner

Nice weather we are having.



Cat

Nice weather we are having.



Cat


Yes, it's quite lovely over here, but so darned cold still. :P

Hello, Mother Nature?  Yes, it's SPRING now.  Please shut off the Winter.

Yes, it's quite lovely over here, but so darned cold still. :P

Hello, Mother Nature?  Yes, it's SPRING now.  Please shut off the Winter.

I think we've got it over here- just had the warmest April since records began, and it's still pretty hot.

Maybe you were stationed with my friend Scott Hay from the sixth grade!
:P

Thanks, Max. And for your sake, I hope Scott never reads this post! 8-P


I LOL at this heartily, considering the fact you sent me a suck up PM about calling a truce, yet you still keep on talking that BS about me persecuting you.

Jessica, Please! check the times and take note of which post came first! Maybe I explained it all to Max this way because of something else SNOZ said, And now she's jumping on me for an extra Z in her name! If it's all the same, I would like, from now on, for us to simply agree to disagree. Can we do that?

Besides, Max has reminded us about what really matters:
http://memebase.com/2011/05/02/memes-osama-bin-laden/
Later, folks!


Some People's Pal,
Doc
::)

Thanks, Max. And for your sake, I hope Scott never reads this post! 8-P

Jessica, Please! check the times and take note of which post came first! Maybe I explained it all to Max this way because of something else SNOZ said, And now she's jumping on me for an extra Z in her name! If it's all the same, I would like, from now on, for us to simply agree to disagree. Can we do that?

Besides, Max has reminded us about what really matters:
http://memebase.com/2011/05/02/memes-osama-bin-laden/
Later, folks!


Some People's Pal,
Doc
::)


I was talking about the post I quoted, dude.  You wrote it the day after the PM.  Contrary to popular belief, I do have a brain rattling around in this fat head of mine, and the dates and times were the first thing I checked.  So yeah.  You were still bleating on about being attacked by me the day after you sent the PM asking for a truce.

As for attacking you, let me send you back to that magical time when you called me an "ignorant slut" and a "commie" merely because I said Palin was a twat.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go enjoy the rest of my day.  It is warm outside now and the sun is calling me.

As for attacking you, let me send you back to that magical time when you called me an "ignorant slut" and a "commie" merely because I said Palin was a twat.

Well, if you're going to compliment Palin in such an effusive way...

<ducks>

I was talking about the post I quoted, dude.  You wrote it the day after the PM.  Contrary to popular belief, I do have a brain rattling around in this fat head of mine, and the dates and times were the first thing I checked.  So yeah.  You were still bleating on about being attacked by me the day after you sent the PM asking for a truce.

As for attacking you, let me send you back to that magical time when you called me an "ignorant slut" and a "commie" merely because I said Palin was a twat.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go enjoy the rest of my day.  It is warm outside now and the sun is calling me.


If you're gonna make statements and get the song stuck in my head I'm gonna post it here so it can be stuck in yours as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaCCG7QkM_c

If you're gonna make statements and get the song stuck in my head I'm gonna post it here so it can be stuck in yours as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaCCG7QkM_c


Holy moly, the Brady Bunch!?  Wow, haven't seen those guys since the '90s at least, did they take reruns off the air at some point in the millennials or something?

If you're gonna make statements and get the song stuck in my head I'm gonna post it here so it can be stuck in yours as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaCCG7QkM_c



Oh great. Now YOU are going to get that song in my head all day. Well, I guess paybacks huh?  ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D




Cat

If you're gonna make statements and get the song stuck in my head I'm gonna post it here so it can be stuck in yours as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaCCG7QkM_c
Can I take back the karma I just gave you? ;)

I didn't even watch/listen to the damn thing and the song's stuck 8-P

Oh great. Now YOU are going to get that song in my head all day. Well, I guess paybacks huh?  ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D




Cat


Exactly.  ;D

Can I take back the karma I just gave you? ;)

I didn't even watch/listen to the damn thing and the song's stuck 8-P


Ha ha ha.  And NOPE  :P

Are YOU better off than you were TWO Years Ago?


Yeah, I am, too.  And I was actually worried that Obama was going to live up to all the stuff the hippies wanted, until the debates.  

The funny thing about the 2008 campaign was that Obama was the only guy campaigning on doing what Wall Street wanted, namely carrying out the Bernanke/Paulson/Geithner bailout plan.  During the Presidential debates, McCain got his talking points... well, I don't know where he got 'em, but he lost the Street during the debates (heck, we even had some threads here back in 2008) and he lost the election.  And if Wall Street ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

Seriously, dude, stop taking everything so seriously.  It's just politics.  Trillions of dollars up in smoke, billions shoveled to campaign donors, millions of lives ruined, thousands killed, and not a one of us has any appreciable say in how it plays out.  Win, lose, draw, it's just a game.  Treat your jousting opponent with respect, no matter how vehemently you may disagree with 'em.  (And always question your teammates, no matter how fervently you may agree with 'em.)  Your preferred candidate's opponent probably wouldn't have done much worse.

But the whole lunging forward only to backpedal furiously?  That's fail.  At least make it funny.  If you're going to open, for example, by arguing for the nuclear annihilation of the spotted owls, and some environmentalist suggests that your approach might be a bit wasteful, don't say it's just a joke.  At least admit the environmentalist has a point, and that you're taking a moderate position, like the barbecuing of spotted owls, as long as you get to use old-growth forest to make the charcoal.  Spotted owls are rare, and if you're gonna eat 'em, you use the good charcoal, do you not?  Such an approach would, after all, result in tasty owls for everyone, and leave enough of the forest standing for future logging endeavors.

Yeah, I am, too.  And I was actually worried that Obama was going to live up to all the stuff the hippies wanted, until the debates.  

The funny thing about the 2008 campaign was that Obama was the only guy campaigning on doing what Wall Street wanted, namely carrying out the Bernanke/Paulson/Geithner bailout plan.  During the Presidential debates, McCain got his talking points... well, I don't know where he got 'em, but he lost the Street during the debates (heck, we even had some threads here back in 2008) and he lost the election.  And if Wall Street ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

Seriously, dude, stop taking everything so seriously.  It's just politics.  Trillions of dollars up in smoke, billions shoveled to campaign donors, millions of lives ruined, thousands killed, and not a one of us has any appreciable say in how it plays out.  Win, lose, draw, it's just a game.  Treat your jousting opponent with respect, no matter how vehemently you may disagree with 'em.  (And always question your teammates, no matter how fervently you may agree with 'em.)  Your preferred candidate's opponent probably wouldn't have done much worse.

But the whole lunging forward only to backpedal furiously?  That's fail.  At least make it funny.  If you're going to open, for example, by arguing for the nuclear annihilation of the spotted owls, and some environmentalist suggests that your approach might be a bit wasteful, don't say it's just a joke.  At least admit the environmentalist has a point, and that you're taking a moderate position, like the barbecuing of spotted owls, as long as you get to use old-growth forest to make the charcoal.  Spotted owls are rare, and if you're gonna eat 'em, you use the good charcoal, do you not?  Such an approach would, after all, result in tasty owls for everyone, and leave enough of the forest standing for future logging endeavors.



Oh great. Now I'm in the mood for barbeque owl.  :D ;D ;D ;D



Cat

Yeah, I am, too.  And I was actually worried that Obama was going to live up to all the stuff the hippies wanted, until the debates.  



The thing about the "hippies" is they were a loose affiliation of idealists, hedonists, intellectuals, revolutionaries, spiritualists, dopers, drop-outs, and what-have-you.  A great many were highly suggestible and later became Born Again Christians, Scientologists, Libertarians, and Objectivists.  What a hippie wanted when he was 22 rarely turned out to be what he wanted when he was 42 or 62.

Steve Jobs just happened to have some great ideas about computers.  The radical Yippie Jerry Rubin went to Wall Street and made a fortune and became a devout capitalist.  Stewart Brand, editor of the back-to-the-land hippie bible, the Whole Earth Catalog, is now an avid pro-nuker.  Ben & Jerry made some great ice cream.

Now, if Obama could deliver on the pop culture notions of what the hippies wanted -- world peace, no government, no money system, peaceful cooperation and good will among all people, all the great drugs and sex you can handle -- I think you'd enjoy it just as much as the next fellow!
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Personally I'm in it for the environmental causes.

Yeah, I am, too.  And I was actually worried that Obama was going to live up to all the stuff the hippies wanted, until the debates.  

The funny thing about the 2008 campaign was that Obama was the only guy campaigning on doing what Wall Street wanted, namely carrying out the Bernanke/Paulson/Geithner bailout plan.  During the Presidential debates, McCain got his talking points... well, I don't know where he got 'em, but he lost the Street during the debates (heck, we even had some threads here back in 2008) and he lost the election.  And if Wall Street ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.Seriously, dude, stop taking everything so seriously.  It's just politics.  Trillions of dollars up in smoke, billions shoveled to campaign donors, millions of lives ruined, thousands killed, and not a one of us has any appreciable say in how it plays out.  Win, lose, draw, it's just a game.  Treat your jousting opponent with respect, no matter how vehemently you may disagree with 'em.  (And always question your teammates, no matter how fervently you may agree with 'em.)  Your preferred candidate's opponent probably wouldn't have done much worse.

But the whole lunging forward only to backpedal furiously?  That's fail.  At least make it funny.  If you're going to open, for example, by arguing for the nuclear annihilation of the spotted owls, and some environmentalist suggests that your approach might be a bit wasteful, don't say it's just a joke.  At least admit the environmentalist has a point, and that you're taking a moderate position, like the barbecuing of spotted owls, as long as you get to use old-growth forest to make the charcoal.  Spotted owls are rare, and if you're gonna eat 'em, you use the good charcoal, do you not?  Such an approach would, after all, result in tasty owls for everyone, and leave enough of the forest standing for future logging endeavors.
Wall Street? Wall Street is in New York and 1984 was the last time a Republican President won New York State in terms of electoral votes. Winning New York State doesn't mean nothing in a Presidential Election.

Wall Street? Wall Street is in New York and 1984 was the last time a Republican President won New York State in terms of electoral votes. Winning New York State doesn't mean nothing in a Presidential Election.


My point exactly.  Why does anybody think that it matters to Wall Street (or, for that matter, Main Street) whether the Mayor, Governor, or President has a jackass or an elephant on his campaign literature?

My point exactly.  Why does anybody think that it matters to Wall Street (or, for that matter, Main Street) whether the Mayor, Governor, or President has a jackass or an elephant on his campaign literature?


It's rigged at the POTUS level so that he who would act against Wall Street's interests can never get the money to win the election.  Wouldn't matter if it was Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders.  Wall Street is in the driver's seat and you're Mary Jo Kopechne!
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..just when you thought it couldn't get much more surreal..

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/266730/gingrich-will-announce-presidential-run-wednesday-katrina-trinko

Another really credible Republican candidate.  Not.

..just when you thought it couldn't get much more surreal..

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/266730/gingrich-will-announce-presidential-run-wednesday-katrina-trinko

Another really credible Republican candidate.  Not.



Gotta love how they make an announcement that they are going to make an announcement that an announcement will be coming later.




Cat

Gotta love how they make an announcement that they are going to make an announcement that an announcement will be coming later.


Yo dawg, I heard you liked announcements...

Yo dawg, I heard you liked announcements...


Announcement to follow...

Yo dawg, I heard you liked announcements...



There you go, talking about my sister again.  ;) :D



Cat

..brings me back round to the question: is there a Republican candidate even close to the calibre required to challenge Obama?  Not so much "in the same ballpark" but "on the same planet"?

..brings me back round to the question: is there a Republican candidate even close to the calibre required to challenge Obama?  Not so much "in the same ballpark" but "on the same planet"?



Not really. The only ones who are close (at this point in time) are Tim Pawlenty & Rick Santorum and that is stretching it REALLY far.



Cat

..brings me back round to the question: is there a Republican candidate even close to the calibre required to challenge Obama?  Not so much "in the same ballpark" but "on the same planet"?
Yeah but Obama's approval ratings were medicocre(like 45%) before the Bin Laden thing gave him a temporary jump in his approval ratings. Even Obama's approval with hispanics he was shedding hispanics popularity wise like so steadily before the Bin Laden thing. You guys are making like Obama has JFK like approval ratings.

Yeah but Obama's approval ratings were medicocre(like 45%) before the Bin Laden thing gave him a temporary jump in his approval ratings. Even Obama's approval with hispanics he was shedding hispanics popularity wise like so steadily before the Bin Laden thing. You guys are making like Obama has JFK like approval ratings.


...and Republicans are making like bush actually did some good. 

Not really. The only ones who are close (at this point in time) are Tim Pawlenty & Rick Santorum and that is stretching it REALLY far.



Cat
I could vote for Rick if he wasn't with the extreme right on the issue of abortion.

...and Republicans are making like bush actually did some good. 
I was not pleased with Bush(W.) either in his last few years as president. I voted for Bush(W.) in 2004 and Obama in 2008 and both of them were/are dissapointments in those presidential terms.

Yeah but Obama's approval ratings were medicocre(like 45%) before the Bin Laden thing gave him a temporary jump in his approval ratings. Even Obama's approval with hispanics he was shedding hispanics popularity wise like so steadily before the Bin Laden thing. You guys are making like Obama has JFK like approval ratings.

That's 100% typical of right-wing American politics: I ask for something (anything!) positive about potential Republican offerings, and all you can come back with is negative stuff about Obama.

Ignore Obama then - who is there on the right who might conceivably mount a realistic challenge?  Who is the very best they have at the moment?  Because every single potential presidential candidate mentioned so far has been utterly laughable.  Obama, or Daffy Duck for that matter, would have to be catastrophically bad to lose to any of them.

I was not pleased with Bush(W.) either in his last few years as president. I voted for Bush(W.) in 2004 and Obama in 2008 and both of them were/are dissapointments in those presidential terms.


I'd still rather have Obama than McCain/Pallin, even though I too am disappointed with Obama.

I'm hugely disappointed with Obama, too - and I started off with fairly low expectations.

He was far more effective as a campaigner than he has been as a president.. but McCain/Palin as a ticket was a disaster waiting to happen.  If McCain had got elected, and done basically what Obama has, I'd be breathing a huge sigh of relief that the world was still relatively intact.

I'm hugely disappointed with Obama, too - and I started off with fairly low expectations.

He was far more effective as a campaigner than he has been as a president.. but McCain/Palin as a ticket was a disaster waiting to happen.  If McCain had got elected, and done basically what Obama has, I'd be breathing a huge sigh of relief that the world was still relatively intact.


I shiver imagining McCain bungling to and fro in a senile haze while Palin belts out inane malapropisms at state functions!
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That's 100% typical of right-wing American politics: I ask for something (anything!) positive about potential Republican offerings, and all you can come back with is negative stuff about Obama.

Ignore Obama then - who is there on the right who might conceivably mount a realistic challenge?  Who is the very best they have at the moment?  Because every single potential presidential candidate mentioned so far has been utterly laughable.  Obama, or Daffy Duck for that matter, would have to be catastrophically bad to lose to any of them.Wasn't the same thing said about the 1992 Presidential Dem Party Nominees that was said about the Republican Field now? We got Bill Clinton out of that deal in 1992 which wasn't bad. You think Romney or Huckabee couldn't beat Obama? I think they could.

I'm hugely disappointed with Obama, too - and I started off with fairly low expectations.

He was far more effective as a campaigner than he has been as a president.. but McCain/Palin as a ticket was a disaster waiting to happen.  If McCain had got elected, and done basically what Obama has, I'd be breathing a huge sigh of relief that the world was still relatively intact.
McCain should have picked John Thune or Pawlenty as his vice president not Palin.

Wasn't the same thing said about the 1992 Presidential Dem Party Nominees that was said about the Republican Field now? We got Bill Clinton out of that deal in 1992 which wasn't bad. You think Romney or Huckabee couldn't beat Obama? I think they could.

There wasn't much of an internet back in 92, so I didn't get anything like the background info about US politics as I do today.

You can't really be serious about Romney & Huckabee, can you?  One is slimier than the nastiest of things you might get on the underside of your shoe, and the other's a cretinous creationist whose reply when running 50 points behind was "I believe in miracles".. neither of them managed to beat McCain, let alone Obama.


McCain should have picked John Thune or Pawlenty as his vice president not Palin.

McCain should have picked Tina Fey as his running mate, not Palin.

McCain should have picked Tina Fey as his running mate, not Palin.



;D ;D ;D ;D Karma for making me laugh.


I can see Russia from my house.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_S4rSFna4U



Cat

Well there's no way in hell I'm voting for Huckabee or Romney, so yes I will probably vote for Obama again in 2012.

;D ;D ;D ;D Karma for making me laugh.

:)

IMHO, Tina Fey's Palin was the best thing to come out of the '08 election campaign.

There wasn't much of an internet back in 92, so I didn't get anything like the background info about US politics as I do today.

You can't really be serious about Romney & Huckabee, can you?  One is slimier than the nastiest of things you might get on the underside of your shoe, and the other's a cretinous creationist whose reply when running 50 points behind was "I believe in miracles".. neither of them managed to beat McCain, let alone Obama.
McCain should have picked Tina Fey as his running mate, not Palin.Phil thats not even funny.

There wasn't much of an internet back in 92, so I didn't get anything like the background info about US politics as I do today.

You can't really be serious about Romney & Huckabee, can you?  One is slimier than the nastiest of things you might get on the underside of your shoe, and the other's a cretinous creationist whose reply when running 50 points behind was "I believe in miracles".. neither of them managed to beat McCain, let alone Obama.
McCain should have picked Tina Fey as his running mate, not Palin.
Please some of the liberal dems are alot slimier than Romney. Was Obama slimy when he tried to play poliitical football with the immigration issue yesterday? I admit its a good startegy for Obama to nail the GOP on the immigration issue but in the end its just a game of political football.

Phil thats not even funny.



Yes it is.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Cat

Please some of the liberal dems are alot slimier than Romney.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave earlier

The general sliminess of politicians of any stripe is not relevant to whether a particular Republican is an appropriate calibre for a presidential candidate.


Was Obama slimy when he tried to play poliitical football with the immigration issue yesterday? I admit its a good startegy for Obama to nail the GOP on the immigration issue but in the end its just a game of political football.

Haven't seen any US news over the last couple of days, so I'll withhold judgment on that.

..but Obama would need a transplant of slug glands to approach Romney's slime levels

Not really. The only ones who are close (at this point in time) are Tim Pawlenty & Rick Santorum and that is stretching it REALLY far.


Three concepts I do not want to hear in the same sentence: "Tim and Rick", "stretching it really far", and "Santorum".

Yo dcanine, karma, 'cuz you just evened things out :)

I shiver imagining McCain bungling to and fro in a senile haze while Palin belts out inane malapropisms at state functions!
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So what's the downside?  That's the upside.

I hate to be ageist, but McCain was the right candidate for 2000, and with a good running mate, could have been a credible candidate in 2008.  With Palin as his running mate, and his age, he was not a credible candidate for 2008.  President McCain?  President Palin?  Packing my bags unless I know damn well who's pulling her strings, and nobody knew who was managing her.  If she couldn't stay on message during a campaign, what hope would her handlers have had, Dobbs Forbid, if she'd accidentally found herself President.

So what's the downside?  That's the upside.

I hate to be ageist, but McCain was the right candidate for 2000, and with a good running mate, could have been a credible candidate in 2008.  With Palin as his running mate, and his age, he was not a credible candidate for 2008.  President McCain?  President Palin?  Packing my bags unless I know damn well who's pulling her strings, and nobody knew who was managing her.  If she couldn't stay on message during a campaign, what hope would her handlers have had, Dobbs Forbid, if she'd accidentally found herself President.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv13ZnkpWos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv13ZnkpWos


That's just the single.  I wanted the extended version! Fine, I'll

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Bonzo Goes to Washington, 5 Minutes, ca. 1984.

The difference between Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, McCain, and Palin, is that Palin wouldn't have known whether she was joking or not.  Fortunately, it never came to that.

This is rather a trick question, with the presupposition.

So what's the downside?  That's the upside.

I hate to be ageist, but McCain was the right candidate for 2000, and with a good running mate, could have been a credible candidate in 2008.  With Palin as his running mate, and his age, he was not a credible candidate for 2008.  President McCain?  President Palin?  Packing my bags unless I know damn well who's pulling her strings, and nobody knew who was managing her.  If she couldn't stay on message during a campaign, what hope would her handlers have had, Dobbs Forbid, if she'd accidentally found herself President.
I think  there was a generational gap with voters with McCain in 2008. Obama won ages 18-29 voters 66%-32% in 2008.  Obama was just hip to young people where as McCain was from the "old guard" if you will to later xers/generation Y people.

I agree with your comment about Palin and her handlers too during the 2008 presidential campaign.