Here's another reason for GW to hate Canada.
As is bing reported on various Canadain news sources(CBC, Globe and Mail, National Post); the Supreme Court ruled this morning that if the Federal Government so desires a law allowing same-sex marriage would be legal.
The Justice Minister is preparing such legislation for introduction next month.
;D

Here's another reason for GW to hate Canada.
As is bing reported on various Canadain news sources(CBC, Globe and Mail, National Post); the Supreme Court ruled this morning that if the Federal Government so desires a law allowing same-sex marriage would be legal.
The Justice Minister is preparing such legislation for introduction next month.
;D




Oh, yeah, if George W. Bush and his friends were not mad before, they are definetly going to be mad now.

Oh, yeah, if George W. Bush and his friends were not mad before, they are definetly going to be mad now.



not really, it will just reinforce their world view about Canada being some sort of leftist paradise or something stupid like that.

YAY, CANADA! 



Cat

not really, it will just reinforce their world view about Canada being some sort of leftist paradise or something stupid like that.

It is a shame that some of the most prominant voices in the media--Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly--use their platform generate more resentment against America.  What goes around comes around.  The more the U.S. condemns other nations for being "left" or "liberal," the more other nations will take action in that direction.  It's a natural reaction against those who put you down.

YAY, CANADA! 



Cat


Ditto. :)

Marriage by definition is a man and a woman uniting as one.....

Now I don't have a problem with 2 men or 2 women being together and truly loving eachother....Hell I got gay friends..and although I'm not like them I don't hate them...

regardless of whether they call it "marriage" or not it's not marriage...you can't something from it's source and give it your own definition just to fit your needs.

Marriage by definition is a man and a woman uniting as one.....

Now I don't have a problem with 2 men or 2 women being together and truly loving eachother....Hell I got gay friends..and although I'm not like them I don't hate them...

regardless of whether they call it "marriage" or not it's not marriage...you can't something from it's source and give it your own definition just to fit your needs.


Citizenship was once defined as excluding blacks, even when they lived in free states.  My point is that legal definitions can and do change.  How a church dfefines marriage is its own business, but the legal definition can (and I think should) change to include gay unions because of the equal protection language in the Constitution.

Good going Canada, you're looking better and better.

I think you nailed that one right on the head, Chucky.  Hmm... I wonder how long it'll be 'til we rush the border, guns a-blazin', to liberate the Canadians from their evil leftist overlords? 


Excuse me, I think I will move to Alaska.... right about..... now!  ::)

Citizenship was once defined as excluding blacks, even when they lived in free states.  My point is that legal definitions can and do change.  How a church dfefines marriage is its own business, but the legal definition can (and I think should) change to include gay unions because of the equal protection language in the Constitution.

Good going Canada, you're looking better and better.


They didn't make up marriage as a law...it their long before the United States made all of their "Laws"

Marriage is a word taken straight from the bible which says, "man and woman"  so although two men or two women could be together and all the other stuff they could never be truly "married" cause it's a contridiction of the term.

Picture a Round square....a round square...it's not possible...you can change the shape of the square to an oval or a circle but then it's no longer a square...round square isn't possible...same principal applies to gay marriage.

They haven't legalized it yet, just said that the federal government can if they want to, and already we got some liberals jumping up and down acting like some arabs after 9/11.  It seems like such a nice way to force this sh** on western Canada too.  This is CANADA we are talking about people, now Canada can fall to the ranks of the middle ages (when gay marriage was allowed,) the Netherlands and Belgium (the only other countries that allow gay marriage....some real advanced people there.)  Hell France, Germany, and England don't even allow gay marriage.

Canada is looking better and better to boycott.  Especially since we buy somewhere around 85% of their exports, we are their best customer.  We can economically ruin them if we wanted to.  Maybe, Bill O'Reilly, who the French government credits for losing billions of dollars in exports and tourism, will call for Canada's boycott next.

Marriage is a word taken straight from the bible which says, "man and woman"  so although two men or two women could be together and all the other stuff they could never be truly "married" cause it's a contridiction of the term.


prove it.  show me the etymology of the word on a reputable site like the oxford english dictionary or some other reputable site.

Marriage is a word taken straight from the bible which says, "man and woman"  so although two men or two women could be together and all the other stuff they could never be truly "married" cause it's a contridiction of the term.



It is alway risky to take things from the bible given its contradictory nature.  I would like to point out(in this
the season to be jolly) that in the bible the word "virgin" originally meant  "an unmarried woman",ooooh!!!
Canada seems to be deciding that it is time for the government to get out of the bedroom.  At the same time
the Ukrainians have to decided to take control of the government, and not get railroaded in a questionable election.  It seems we have alot to learn from both.

This is CANADA we are talking about people, now Canada can fall to the ranks of the middle ages (when gay marriage was allowed,) the Netherlands and Belgium (the only other countries that allow gay marriage....some real advanced people there.)  Hell France, Germany, and England don't even allow gay marriage.


Right, i don't know what 'and england' means there. We aren't a Leftist paradise, unfortunatley. Soon we will be forced to carry I.D and Blair is following Bush in to having trials with no Jury, i ask you, what has happened to the rights of an Englishman, it used to be that us Brits were better protected then anybody. We could go over to places like Africa, kill some natives, come home and nothing would happen. I know that sounds ridiculous but it's true. (Not that i would want to have done that)
However on the flip side, we do have some ridiculously Liberal laws, a lot of places aren't allowed to celebrate christmas anymore, because it could be offensive to other faiths. Even though in citys all over the country there are Diwali fireworks and big flag thingys up for Rammadan (i think).

Gay Marriage has been discussed here, from a property point of view more than anything. (I.e when somebody's gay partner dies they don't get anything).
I am very split on the subject, i believe that a Homosexual couple should be able to live together and share similar rights to a man and a woman who are married. However i don't think that actual Marriage should be bestowed. It's a technicality really. If they had something called, i dunno just Gay Marriage which was theres, then that would be fine.

Oh and GW Holland and Belgium are actually more right wing than you would imagine, the Government just let's the citizens vote on things.. such as laws... and in rare cases.. 'ELECTIONS!'

I am very split on the subject, i believe that a Homosexual couple should be able to live together and share similar rights to a man and a woman who are married. However i don't think that actual Marriage should be bestowed. It's a technicality really. If they had something called, i dunno just Gay Marriage which was theres, then that would be fine.


THANK YOU!  I have said I supported civil unions, which would give gay people a lot of those rights, but yet they keep saying no and want their radical gay agenda, ie gay marriage, the removal of "Don't ask, don't tell," forced on everyone.  I agree with you.  But the left won't compromise.

Here is where we disagree, i don't think it's the Left won't compromise, i think it's more.. the right won't compromise.

I am not as clear on the situation in the states so i can't really comment but a lot of Liberals won't Gay people to have these rights, i can't imagine they wouldn't be willing to negotiate.

Canada seems to be deciding that it is time for the government to get out of the bedroom. 


Not unless they have legalized sex with children.

Ukrainians have to decided to take control of the government, and not get railroaded in a questionable election.

Okay, I guess our election is questionable because your candidate LOST.  They had multiple tapes showing all this election fraud, why don't you shows yours?

Call CBS or CNN and ask something like "why aren't you talking about election fraud, don't you see we got some websites here?"  If you took all your evidence of a "questionable" US election to any court, they would laugh you out of the room.  The left knows they lost, their plan is to try and raise a doubt in peoples' minds about this election in an attempt to delegitimize President Bush's and the republicans recent huge victory over the democrats and John Kerry.  Loser.

And I spit on Canada.

Here is where we disagree, i don't think it's the Left won't compromise, i think it's more.. the right won't compromise.

I am not as clear on the situation in the states so i can't really comment but a lot of Liberals won't Gay people to have these rights, i can't imagine they wouldn't be willing to negotiate.


Here in America, places like Vermont and California have "civil unions," something to designed to put a gay couple together in the government's eyes, and give them a lot of the rights married people have.  The only real difference?  It is not called marriage.  The left has said over and over again that civil unions aren't good enough, they are the ones who won't compromise.

We'll.. i'll agree to disagree at the moment, like i say my knowledge of this is slightly limited.

I don't know how you can..

spit on Canada.


I feel Canada is one of the greatest Nations on the face of the earth, they have a great health care system, real political groups, I wont say real elections.. well ok i have  ;), good schools and of course are part of the Commonwealth.

Not unless they have legalized sex with children.



And I spit on Canada.

Funny how you bring up topics that have nothing to do with the subject at hand....no one has said sex with children is legal, in fact there are some VERY strong laws making their ways through our system.

Also I would
NEVER SPIT on someone else, it doesn't surprise me that Americans have such a bad reputation outside of the US.  I would never spit on another human or another people. All Americans I've met are decent people even if their belief system differersrom mine. You have the right to believe in something different and prprofesshose beliefs as long as you aren't promoting hatered which is what you are verging on.
No wonder an Arizona company is selling fake Canadian identitiesor those travelling outside the country.

Based on our Constitutionnd the equality rights granted therein it is illegal to disallow gay marriage and that's what the court said.  Who knows under your own constitution it may be illegal as well but the case hasn't been brought forth.

Also the Supreme Court ruled that churches DO NOT have to preform such ceremonies since it infringes on their right of religion so it's not being forced on any group to perform only on the government to recognize.

Grow up.

THANK YOU!  I have said I supported civil unions, which would give gay people a lot of those rights, but yet they keep saying no and want their radical gay agenda, ie gay marriage, the removal of "Don't ask, don't tell," forced on everyone.  I agree with you.  But the left won't compromise.


How is a gay couple's desire to be able to say theu are married radical? That is some hysterical wording.

Marriage is a word taken straight from the bible

Bah! "Marriage" is a word taken straight out of the Indo-European word pool. We happen to have gotten it from Old French, who got it from Latin. The Bible was written in many languages originally but the only one even remotely related to ours was Greek, and these specific books were written in the A.D. era (i.e. long after Jewish law regarding marriage was laid out). The Bible was translated into our languages and the word "marriage" already existed for them to use if they needed to. If you were referring to the concept of marriage, it's been around long before Christianity, Christ, the Bible, Jews, or Judaism. It has always had the conventional implication of man-woman union (since that is the social and natural norm in all cultures), but there is nothing wrong with changing that connotation to accomadate the modern world. We have done this time and again with many other social concepts like (as noted by Carlos) the concept of citizenship.

Bah! "Marriage" is a word taken straight out of the Indo-European word pool. We happen to have gotten it from Old French, who got it from Latin. The Bible was written in many languages originally but the only one even remotely related to ours was Greek, and these specific books were written in the A.D. era (i.e. long after Jewish law regarding marriage was laid out). The Bible was translated into our languages and the word "marriage" already existed for them to use if they needed to. If you were referring to the concept of marriage, it's been around long before Christianity, Christ, the Bible, Jews, or Judaism. It has always had the conventional implication of man-woman union (since that is the social and natural norm in all cultures), but there is nothing wrong with changing that connotation to accomadate the modern world. We have done this time and again with many other social concepts like (as noted by Carlos) the concept of citizenship.


You mean the Bible wasn't written in English!?!?!?!? Well no Shaaaaaaaaaaa it.......Sue me for not knowing Hebrew!

Funny how you bring up topics that have nothing to do with the subject at hand....no one has said sex with children is legal, in fact there are some VERY strong laws making their ways through our system.



I know that buddy.  Danoota said that Canada was staying out of peoples' bedrooms, and I stated that Canada was not doing so fully unless they have legalized sex with children (even though Canada already somewhat has, with the age of consent up there being FOURTEEN.)

Fourteen.. Bloody hell that's a bit low isn't it

I feel Canada is one of the greatest Nations on the face of the earth, they have a great health care system, real political groups, I wont say real elections.. well ok i have  ;), good schools and of course are part of the Commonwealth.


I couldn't agree with you more. I really do believe that the U.S. could learn a lot more from our northern neighbors. It really is the attitude of people like GW that gives the world the impression of "ugly Americans." I truly hope that the people on this board who are from Canada, the UK, Australia or any place else, realize that not all of us shares GW's views.



Cat



Cat

I couldn't agree with you more. I really do believe that the U.S. could learn a lot more from our northern neighbors. It really is the attitude of people like GW that gives the world the impression of "ugly Americans." I truly hope that the people on this board who are from Canada, the UK, Australia or any place else, realize that not all of us shares GW's views.


Yeah we all realise.. i do share some of his views.. but not many  ;)

When i do my big trip to see where i wanna go live.. i am taking in big parts of Canada as well.. i feel Canada has the best of both the UK and the US.. seems a great place.

I truly hope that the people on this board who are from Canada, the UK, Australia or any place else, realize that not all of us shares GW's views.






I truly hope they understand that President Bush, someone the left likes to call the most conservative President since Ronald Reagan, was reelected, and beat John Kerry by around 3.5 million votes.

i am taking in big parts of Canada as well.. i feel Canada has the best of both the UK and the US.. seems a great place.


I will say Canada is the greatest country if you're super poor and unwilling to work.

I will say Canada is the greatest country if you're super poor and unwilling to work.


And why exactly do you say that? England pays out more welfare per head than Canada does...


I truly hope they understand that President Bush, someone the left likes to call the most conservative President since Ronald Reagan, was reelected, and beat John Kerry by around 3.5 million votes.


Hmm.. i won't debate that Bush didn't win, because he did.. at the end of the day.. the.. man (i won't say better) won. However i think we all know that his 3.5 million margian has been inflated slightly. We won't know exactly how many votes he won by for some time.

Yeah we all realise.. i do share some of his views.. but not many  ;)

When i do my big trip to see where i wanna go live.. i am taking in big parts of Canada as well.. i feel Canada has the best of both the UK and the US.. seems a great place.


Thanks to both of you.  Come on up for a visit, August is just beautiful here.
Personnaly I think GW should leave Georgia it is right?  And visit some other countries.
We aren't the great leftist paradise Fox News and it's talking heads go on about, we are just different as is the UK, Austrailia, Peru, Iraq...etc.
I think many are afraid that there may be something out there different and maybe better (or worse) and they are worried.  We envy the US as well, better weather, more opportunities due to the sheer size of the population and economy but we don't envy the violence, poverty or the president.
We aren't dying in the streets from bad prescription drugs, only perverts are having sex with kids, the socialists are not in power, gangs are not killing eachother with guns, our budgets are balanced, our beer is stronger and our winters colder...it no big deal

Thanks to both of you.  Come on up for a visit, August is just beautiful here.
Personnaly I think GW should leave Georgia it is right?  And visit some other countries.
We aren't the great leftist paradise Fox News and it's talking heads go on about, we are just different as is the UK, Austrailia, Peru, Iraq...etc.
I think many are afraid that there may be something out there different and maybe better (or worse) and they are worried.  We envy the US as well, better weather, more opportunities due to the sheer size of the population and economy but we don't envy the violence, poverty or the president.
We aren't dying in the streets from bad prescription drugs, only perverts are having sex with kids, the socialists are not in power, gangs are not killing eachother with guns, our budgets are balanced, our beer is stronger and our winters colder...it no big deal


While I do live in the state of Georgia and have so for 38 years, I have been to other places.  Granted, not many other countries, but I have been to 49 of America's 50 states, and I have been to the district of Columbia.

Not to attack Canada again, but I HATE cold weather, which is one reason I dread moving to Alaska.  Why else would I live in sunny north Georgia with summers that easily reach into the 100's.  And "our budgets are balanced" and national healthcare comes at price.  Want to compare the amount of taxes we pay?

To me, Canada seems better in some ways.  BUT, it comes at a cost.  The cost of freedom.  Big government.  I can't stand big government, look at your healthcare, jobs, taxes, gun laws, and various other things.  All big government.  Granted, Bush isn't my favorite President ever, he is somewhat increasing the size of government.  He scares me on some issues, because I am a small government conservative, and a nationalist.  Immigration and spending are the only problems I have with Bush, but those two problems leave a bad taste in my mouth.

The last things I need is government telling me to do anything, and having any real control over my life.  And what is worse if the federal government, which the democrats love, mostly because it keeps government as far away from people as possible rather than let states and local governments handle it.  Canada can keep it's big government to itself, I'm trying to hard to keep it from spreading here.

And I certainly don't envy Paul Martin.

Canada is looking better and better to boycott.  Especially since we buy somewhere around 85% of their exports, we are their best customer.  We can economically ruin them if we wanted to.  Maybe, Bill O'Reilly, who the French government credits for losing billions of dollars in exports and tourism, will call for Canada's boycott next.


I guess we know where you got that idea now...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200412010011

Fourteen.. Bloody hell that's a bit low isn't it


Trust me, there's some states in the US where the age of consent is either 14 or 15.

I think you nailed that one right on the head, Chucky.  Hmm... I wonder how long it'll be 'til we rush the border, guns a-blazin', to liberate the Canadians from their evil leftist overlords? 


Canadian Bacon

Trust me, there's some states in the US where the age of consent is either 14 or 15.


Or 13....as in New Mexico.  :o

Age of consent for the United States: State by state.

Alabama-16
Alaska-18
Arizona-18
Arkansas-18
California-18
Colorado-18
Connecticut-15
Delaware-16
District of Columbia-16
Florida-18
Georgia-16
Hawaii-14
Idaho-16
Illinois-16
Indiana-16
Iowa-14
Kansas-16
Kentucky-16
Louisana-17
Maine-14
Maryland-16
Massachusetts-16
Minnesota-16
Michigan-16
Mississippi-14
Missouri-17
Montana-16
Nebraska-17
Nevada-16
New Hampshire-18
New Jersey-18
New Mexico-13
New York-17
North Carolina-16
North Dakota-16
Ohio-16
Oklahoma-16
Oregon-18
Pennsylvania-16
Rhode Island-16
South Carolina-16
South Dakota-16
Tennessee-18
Texas-17
Utah-18
Vermont-16
Virginia-15
Washington-18
West Virginia-16
Wisconsin-18
Wyoming-19

--So the lowest is New Mexico at 13, and the highest is Wyoming at 19.

They didn't make up marriage as a law...it their long before the United States made all of their "Laws"

Marriage is a word taken straight from the bible which says, "man and woman"  so although two men or two women could be together and all the other stuff they could never be truly "married" cause it's a contridiction of the term.

Picture a Round square....a round square...it's not possible...you can change the shape of the square to an oval or a circle but then it's no longer a square...round square isn't possible...same principal applies to gay marriage.


Sorry, but I beg to diusagree.  When Cat and I married, we got a licence from the state, required to make it a legal, state sanctioned union.  As long as the state gets itself in the business of legalizing unions, the right to participate in those priveleges and responsibilities should be available to all consenting adults.  Maybe what the state needs to do, following your logic, is issue "Civil Union" licenses to everybody and let the churches "marry" people.  That, I think, would answer your concern.

It is alway risky to take things from the bible given its contradictory nature.  I would like to point out(in this
the season to be jolly) that in the bible the word "virgin" originally meant  "an unmarried woman",ooooh!!!
Canada seems to be deciding that it is time for the government to get out of the bedroom.  At the same time
the Ukrainians have to decided to take control of the government, and not get railroaded in a questionable election.  It seems we have alot to learn from both.


Amen to that, sister!

Not unless they have legalized sex with children.


And I spit on Canada.


Get real.

And my guess is that neither Canada nor Canadians give a flying f... how you feel about them. how can you be so arrogant?

Here in America, places like Vermont and California have "civil unions," something to designed to put a gay couple together in the government's eyes, and give them a lot of the rights married people have.  The only real difference?  It is not called marriage.  The left has said over and over again that civil unions aren't good enough, they sir, are the ones who won't compromise.


Yea, we Vermonters have Civil Unions, which you seem to think are ok.  Are you advocating for them down there in Stars 'n Bars land?

And my guess is that neither Canada nor Canadians give a flying f... how you feel about them. how can you be so arrogant?


And I care about what Canada thinks?  No.  Do I care what anybody from outside of the state of Georgia think?  No.  Do I care about local and state government?  Yes.  I'm arrogant because I dislike Canada right?  But the Bush-haters up there are just fine with you, right?  I ain't the arrogant one, buddy.  If Canada has not legalized sex with children, you cannot possibly say they are not in peoples' bedrooms, especially since they allow gay marriage.  Gay sex is legal in America, that is the bedroom.  Granted it was illegal in Florida and Texas until a few years ago, but it is legal in all 50 states and the district of columbia.  Remember, Danoota said that Canada is leaving the bedroom, marriage has nothing to do with the bedroom in today's world.

Today's school shooting brought to you by gun-control works Canada: http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20041210-011/page.asp

You mean the Bible wasn't written in English!?!?!?!? Well no Shaaaaaaaaaaa it.......Sue me for not knowing Hebrew!




The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the New testament was written in Aramaic and Greek.

Translation is a funy thing, and meaning can be distorted.  For example in Spanish there are two verbs meaning "to be", ser and estar.  Ser denotes perminant condition, ie yo soy un hombre (I am a man - a perminamt condition), while estoy infiermo (I am sick) is, hopefully temporary.  On a trip to Equidor this got a friend of mine into an embarrasing cituation.  She got a bit lost and told a cop that "soy perdido" (literally, I'm damned, perminently lost).  He said that he would take her to a priest, who would give her absolution.  What she meant was estoy perdido, I don't know where I am and can't find my way home.  The point being that translation is a subtle and difficult art, and one can never be sure that one has captured the original meaning.