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Subject: One last flip-flop.
Written By: GWBush2004 on 11/06/04 at 1:32 pm
By Ann Coulter
I guess John Kerry went into the primary without a plan to win the election.
The Democrats threw everything they had at this election. They ran a phony Vietnam War hero and a phony Southerner. They had middle-aged women executives at MTV hawking "Rock the Vote" to entice the most uninformed young people to vote for Kerry. They had Bruce Springsteen, Dave Matthews and New York Times darling Eminem. They had documentaries, books, the universities, Hollywood (and the French!) on their side.
They had liberal thugs ransacking Bush-Cheney headquarters, stealing Bush-Cheney signs and slashing the tires of Bush-Cheney get-out-the-vote vans on Election Day. In Colorado, they traded voter registrations for crack cocaine. In Ohio, they registered Mary Poppins and Dick Tracy. In South Carolina, Emily's List called Republican households and gave them incorrect information about the location of polling places.
The media campaigned heavily for Kerry with endless Abu Ghraib coverage, phony National Guard documents and, days before the election, false news reports that hundreds of tons of munitions had been looted in Iraq.
The Democrats' cheating never stopped. The big story of this election is the fraudulent exit polls on Election Day. Strange as it seems to me, it is well acknowledged that people are more likely to come out and vote for a winner. Early exit polls showing Kerry the clear winner could be expected to depress the vote for Bush.
Stunningly inaccurate exit polls released around noon on Election Day convinced news anchors, talking heads and even the campaigns that Kerry would win walking away. But at 9 p.m., when the first actual results began to come in, the election flipped to Bush. It was the first Kerry flip-flop that actually served the national interest.
The exit polls were absurd: They showed Kerry winning Pennsylvania by 20 points and Bush tied with Kerry in Mississippi. Only monkey business can explain the wildly pro-Kerry exit polls – admittedly hard to believe with a party that has behaved so honorably throughout this campaign. Michael Barone speculates that the sites of exit polling were leaked to the Democrats, and Democrats sent large numbers of voters to those polls to take exit polls and throw the results.
But for all their chicanery, vote-stealing, Hollywood starlets, fake polls and faux patriotism, the Democrats were wiped out on Election Day.
Bush won the largest popular vote in history with a 3.5 million margin. Indeed, simply by getting a majority of the country to vote for him – the left's most hated politician since Richard Nixon – Bush did something "rock star" Bill Clinton never did. Bush maintained or increased his vote in every state but Vermont. Republicans picked up seats in the House and Senate, and continue to dominate state governorships. Also making history of a sort, Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle lost his election, marking the first time in half a century a Senate leader has been defeated.
To Michael Moore, George Soros, Terry McAuliffe, Dan Rather, Al Franken and the whole gang at Air America Radio – you were great, guys! Thanks for the help! We couldn't have done it without you!
Of course, we could have done it a lot earlier on election night but for "Boy Genius" Karl Rove. It's absurd that the election was as close as it was. The nation is at war, Bush is a magnificent wartime leader, and the night before the election we didn't know if a liberal tax-and-spend, Vietnam War-protesting senator from Massachusetts would beat him.
If Rove is "the architect" – as Bush called him in his acceptance speech – then he is the architect of high TV ratings, not a Republican victory. By keeping the race so tight, Rove ensured that a race that should have been a runaway Bush victory would not be over until the wee hours of the morning.
As we now know, the most important issue to voters was not terrorism, but moral values. Marriage amendments won by lopsided majorities in all 11 states where they were on the ballot. Even in Oregon, the state targeted by gay marriage advocates as their best shot of defeating a marriage amendment, the amendment passed by 57 percent – a figure noticeable for being larger than the percentage of votes cast for Bush in Oregon. In the great state of Mississippi, the marriage amendment passed with 88 percent of the vote.
Seventy percent to 80 percent of Americans oppose gay marriage and partial-birth abortion. Far from appealing exclusively to a narrow Republican base, opposition to gay marriage is strongest among the Democratic base: blacks, Hispanics, blue-collar workers and the elderly. There were marriage amendments on the ballot in Michigan and Ohio. Bush won Ohio narrowly and lost Michigan by only 2 points. How different might that have been if Bush hadn't run from the issue.
But Rove concluded Bush should stay mum on gay marriage and partial-birth abortion – contravening the politicians' rule of thumb: Talk about your positions that are wildly popular with voters. "Boy Genius" Rove decided Bush shouldn't even run radio ads on gay marriage, and at the last minute, Bush started claiming he was in favor of civil unions, just like John Kerry.
Amazingly, it was the Democrats – the ones who support gay marriage – who used the gay issue for political advantage, most famously when Kerry gay-baited Mary Cheney during the third debate.
The one toss-up Senate seat lost by the Republicans was Pete Coors in Colorado, where the Democrats did not hesitate to run commercials of a bacchanalian gay festival in Canada sponsored by Coors Brewing Co. The most narrow Republican win in a toss-up Senate race was in Alaska, where the Republican candidate was another "progressive" on the social issues.
When contemplating a former New York mayor as their next presidential candidate, Republicans should remember: This election should have been over sometime in August, not 1 a.m. election night.
--I got some comments:
1.As stated in the above article, every state except for Vermont gave a higher percentage of the vote to President Bush. What is the deal with Vermont, they were the first state to elect a socialist. They seem more like an island off Europe than part of America.
2.It sucks in a way that Senator Kerry lost, we will now never know that plan of his.
3.Bush's popular vote is now near 52%, it may hit that mark when the military absentee ballots are counted (it is now 51.9%,) is that not a mandate?
4.What is all this talk about a mandate? We never heard this talk from the left about Clinton when he never hit 50%, he did whatever the hell he wanted to. (By the way the only thing Clinton ever did that I liked was pass DOMA, I respect him for that.)
5.It must irk the democrats that Bush is more popular then Clinton will ever be.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: Leo Jay on 11/06/04 at 1:57 pm
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Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: Don Carlos on 11/06/04 at 3:28 pm
And you believe Ann Coulter? What rot.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: Alchoholica on 11/06/04 at 4:27 pm
By Ann Coulter
5.It must irk the democrats that Bush is more popular then Clinton will ever be.
Just a little point here.. Bush is Despised.. pretty much Globally..
Clinton is thought of as a pretty freakin awesome guy... Globally..
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/06/04 at 7:05 pm
Just a little point here.. Bush is Despised.. pretty much Globally..
Clinton is thought of as a pretty freakin awesome guy... Globally..
I didn't read the Coulter article, I'd rather poke myself in the eye with fish hook. However, I don't care how popular Bush is versus Clinton. What disgusts me is you have a fascist who can't even make the trains run on time, and the people CHOOSE to put him back in office. As Lewis Black said the other day: "Last night we heard the voice of the people, but I will not imitate it out of respect for the mentally retarded!"
::)
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: philbo on 11/06/04 at 7:52 pm
The media campaigned heavily for Kerry with endless Abu Ghraib coverage, phony National Guard documents and, days before the election, false news reports that hundreds of tons of munitions had been looted in Iraq.
Now ain't that just dandy? Reporting US troops torturing *INNOCENT* Iraqi civilians is somehow unfair? And "false" news reports? So WTF are these 220 tons of HE still unaccounted for (ignoring the RDX which may have been moved out rather than stolen)?
The Democrats' cheating never stopped. The big story of this election is the fraudulent exit polls on Election Day. Strange as it seems to me, it is well acknowledged that people are more likely to come out and vote for a winner. Early exit polls showing Kerry the clear winner could be expected to depress the vote for Bush.
OK... democrat "cheating" from overstating exit polls... strange she doesn't mention Republican cheating by throwing away democrat registration forms, isn't it?
Michael Barone speculates that the sites of exit polling were leaked to the Democrats, and Democrats sent large numbers of voters to those polls to take exit polls and throw the results.
And again we have more unproven speculation dressed as fact.
But for all their chicanery, vote-stealing, Hollywood starlets, fake polls and faux patriotism, the Democrats were wiped out on Election Day.
I'm starting to wonder if this sort of thing might have had anything to do with it: http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
A simple breakdown of actual turnout against registered voters for each party by state in Florida - it becomes interesting to see that it varies with the type of voting machine used - the optical scanning ones showed a hugely greater Republican turnout than expected and a decreased Democrat turnout... what I have been trying to figure out is how such a skewing of the actual vote/expected vote ratio can be voting-machine dependent (without jumping to the obvious conclusion that their programming had something to do with it)
Any suggestions, anyone?
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: Dagwood on 11/06/04 at 9:39 pm
The whole touch screen/computerized voting still scares the living he|| out of me. If a 15 y.o. can hack into the Pentagon in a matter of minutes, how hard do you think it would be to hack into those? Just a thought....
I agree, Cheer. Scary thought.
I didn't read the Coulter article, I'd rather poke myself in the eye with fish hook.
Same here, Max. This woman scares me. I heard an interview with her just after one of her books. She basically said all Democrats are evil. Scary scary woman.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: McDonald on 11/07/04 at 2:04 am
It's this sort of crap that is meant to widen the divide between Americans.
Coulter obfuscates the truth at every opportunity. MTVs "Rock the Vote" was a completely non-partisan campaign to get young, eligible voters to voice there own opinions at the polls. It's her aim to discredit any effort to bring young people to the polls by calling it 'liberal'. Well I'm sure she would love to keep people from voting, especially if those people are more likely to support a Democrat. But sorry, Anne, you money-scavenging whore, in a free country, we expect all eligible voters to perform their civic duty no matter what their probable affilliations.
Michael Barone speculates that the sites of exit polling were leaked to the Democrats, and Democrats sent large numbers of voters to those polls to take exit polls and throw the results.
Oh, this Barone character 'speculates,' eh? Alas, any intelligent consumer of your bull$h!t is going to need a little more than mere speculation... something more along the lines of proof.
1.As stated in the above article, every state except for Vermont gave a higher percentage of the vote to President Bush. What is the deal with Vermont, they were the first state to elect a socialist. They seem more like an island off Europe than part of America.
Sure, demean an entire state by dubbing them un-American if the popular consensus of the state's population differs from you fascist vision for this country. Stop acting like you won in some kind of miraculous landslide, 8!+¢#, because it was a mere 3.5 million. In a country with about 220 million eligible voters, half of which turned up to vote, 3.5 million is not a 'wipe out' by any means.
And last time I checked, John Kerry was in combat in Vietnam, and John Edwards is from the south... so what exactly makes them a 'phony war hero' and a 'phony southerner,' respectively? Is it that these two aforesaid facts are simply untrue, or did you mean to say that though Kerry is a war hero, and though Edwards is a southerner... they're both just phonies? Well I guess we'll never know because a dagger-eyed vixen with a mouth that won't quit, is expected to spout off bull$h!t... not back it up with any proof.
Ann Coulter is a $h!t-stain, and I hope she dies. (Not really, but I do hate her.)
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: GWBush2004 on 11/07/04 at 10:19 am
Just a little point here.. Bush is Despised.. pretty much Globally..
Clinton is thought of as a pretty freakin awesome guy... Globally..
We are not talking about globally, I'm talking about the greatest country on earth, the United States of America. But it is funny how when democrats talk about globally they seem to only talk about old Europe and Canada, as though those are the only nations outside the United States. Maybe you didn't know this, but the majority of the population in Nigeria, Singapore, Poland, Russia, and Israel wanted Bush, but I guess those nations don't count, and I guess their opinions are not as good as France. Great job cherry-picking countries.
And by the way, I am not trying to be mean, but I don't give a rats' a** what someone in another country thinks, or who they want to be President of America. And I don't care who they elect. Keep it in your own country.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: Alchoholica on 11/07/04 at 10:33 am
Being in continuous contact with the Israeli embassy in London i can tell you there line on it was that 'personally' Kerry was seen as a kind of mixed signal guy and that Bush would be fine, he wouldn't cut funding which is the main thing.
Singapore.. Jesus, i didn't think Bushie was too keen on them?
Nigeria is a half Muslim country, i'm sure they love him...
I'm positive that Vlad the... let's think.. Vlad the Horrific Dictator, is very happy Bushie is in again, after all they share so many similar views. Like.. how to supress there citizens and how to make everyone in the world live in fear of them.
Let's not discuss Poland.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/07/04 at 12:43 pm
We are not talking about globally, I'm talking about the greatest country on earth, the United States of America. But it is funny how when democrats talk about globally they seem to only talk about old Europe and Canada, as though those are the only nations outside the United States. Maybe you didn't know this, but the majority of the population in Nigeria, Singapore, Poland, Russia, and Israel wanted Bush, but I guess those nations don't count, and I guess their opinions are not as good as France. Great job cherry-picking countries.
And by the way, I am not trying to be mean, but I don't give a rats' a** what someone in another country thinks, or who they want to be President of America. And I don't care who they elect. Keep it in your own country.
Arrogance accompanies the downfall of every empire. America remains the "greatest country on earth" thanks to big loans from Japanese bankers. When the Japanese decide the dollar is no longer a suitable risk, and invests in the euro instead, Yamamoto will have his revenge!
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: Alchoholica on 11/07/04 at 1:07 pm
Of course as long as Americans keep buying Japanese cars that will never happen. If all of a sudden Bushie put a ban on all imports from Japan, there Economy would collapse and be totally crippled for a long time.
Eventually they may find some sort of larger market in Europe.. but it wouldn't compare to the US Market. By the way.. even though i have two countries to pick from, neither is the best, although both rank up there..
If i had to pick the best, i would say maybe Canada, or.. and GW is gonna hate this, France.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/07/04 at 2:04 pm
Of course as long as Americans keep buying Japanese cars that will never happen. If all of a sudden Bushie put a ban on all imports from Japan, there Economy would collapse and be totally crippled for a long time.
Eventually they may find some sort of larger market in Europe.. but it wouldn't compare to the US Market. By the way.. even though i have two countries to pick from, neither is the best, although both rank up there..
If i had to pick the best, i would say maybe Canada, or.. and GW is gonna hate this, France.
Why rank countries at all? I think it's a puerile way of looking at the world.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/07/04 at 2:13 pm
Same here, Max. This woman scares me. I heard an interview with her just after one of her books. She basically said all Democrats are evil. Scary scary woman.
She's only a scary because the Right has found a spokesperson in a sociopathic spoiled rich chick whose father was a union-busting lawyer from Greenwich (or was it Darien) Connecticut. Her books are packed with lies and gibberish. If you trace back her footnotes, they tend to go back to propagandistic research conducted by right-wing thinktanks--research which itself is horsesh*t!
It also troubles me that people seem to think she is "beautiful" because she's a skinny blonde. She's not "beautiful" to me, she's got eyes like a crocodile. Beauty is not merely cosmetic, and true ugliness comes from deep within, and Coulter's got that deep ugly!
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: McDonald on 11/07/04 at 2:22 pm
The UN Quality of Living Index has consistently rated Canada number one, year after year. This is what happens when a government puts its people's quality of life first.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/07/04 at 2:37 pm
The UN Quality of Living Index has consistently rated Canada number one, year after year. This is what happens when a government puts its people's quality of life first.
I don't doubt humane and sane social policy is part of Canada's success...especially if Canada is number one over tiny Scandinavian countries such as Norway and Sweden who have tiny homogenious populations.
It's also important to remember America is a far different country from Canada. America has a population nearly ten times the size of Canada's and has a much bloodier social and political history. The US cannot imitate Canada for that reason. However, the US must resolve the terrible poverty and privations that do exist within her borders, and must resolve the ever-widening gap between the haves and the have-nots.
Rightwing sleazeburgers such as Ben Stein and the National Review guys like to sell the idea that poverty and racism are largely "over" in America. They lie.
Subject: Re: One last flip-flop.
Written By: Alchoholica on 11/07/04 at 3:29 pm
True comments there from Mr Smart...
My basis for saying Canada and France are two of the best are slightly different to the UN basis i expect.
My main reason for liking France is that they havent screwd there country up the way we have here. They still have excellent family values, respect one another (for the most part) and work very sociable hours. There culture is how they want it to be, not the enforced americanised model that a lot of county's are almost forced in to accepting nowadays. Also kudos to Chiraq for not backing down on the headscarf issue, he wasn't just banning head scarves he was banning all relgious symbols from schools so as to lessen tension, if some jerk off's in Iraq didn't like it i have a solution for them. Don't send your 84 Children to a French school.
The Canadian thing is slightly more complicated. Yes due to having such a low population (it's something like half of the UK population in what i think is the 2nd biggest country in the world) things like health care, education etc are much easier to keep at a high standard. However, Canada has far less money at it's disposal, now i don't have any facts in front of me, but i think i am right in assumeing that the state of California alone has a larger economy than Canada.
Thus, at least theoretically, Bushie could tomorrow enact all sorts of new laws, pass new bills and divert spending so as to 'catch up to canada'.
The reason that standard of life in the US, UK etc is lower is because of three main reasons which i have already coverd but will once again provide illuminations on...
1) Awful Corporate Mentality - People are forced to work longer hours with the threat of termination lingering over them all the time.
2) Policeing the world - Imagine if the money spent on Iraq was put in to the Education system.
3) Letting Culture slip away - Now most of the people who will read this are forward thinking, well enlightend individuals, however... next time you walk around in the evening, see just how many people sit on there asses watching the Idiot Box. I watch nearly no TV, this is not because i think it's 'bad' or violent or whatever, it's just not stimulating. TV is the new opium for the masses.. it engrosses you and yet you don't have to do anything...And a programme about Art is just not as good as going to a gallery. I remember as a kid going to the Art Institue Of Chiacgo with my uncle. That really opened my eyes and now i have a big interest in not just art, but the things that are spin off's from it, History, Geography, Politics, Religion etc.. Further your minds and become more Canadian ::)