----
11/5/04

Dear Friends,

Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash
it all in, let's, in the words of Monty Python,
'always look on the bright side of life!' There IS
some good news from Tuesday's election.

Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:

1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for
president again.

2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting
president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

3. The only age group in which the majority voted for
Kerry was young adults (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%),
proving once again that your parents are always wrong
and you should never listen to them.

4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans
still think the
country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think
the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve
of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to
foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out.  It's an
American thing, like Pop Tarts.)

5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof
60-seat majority in the Senate. If the Democrats do
their job, Bush won't be able to pack the Supreme
Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the
Democrats do their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch
this one.

6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire
Northeast, the birthplace of our democracy. So did 6
of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West Coast!
Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the
fresh water, all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We
can dehydrate them or bury them in lava. And no more
show tunes!

7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a
nut, and not just any old nut -- a poisonous nut. A
great nation was felled by a poisonous nut.
May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces
Michigan.

8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50
years, America will no longer have a white majority.
Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If you're ten
years old and reading this, your golden years will be
truly golden and you will be well cared for in your
old age.

9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on
Tuesday, cannot get married in 11 new states. Thank
God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't
have to buy now.

10. Five more African Americans were elected as
members of Congress, including the return of Cynthia
McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to have more
blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our
candidates can't.

11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in
Colorado. Drink up!

12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want
them to go away.

13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked
up a net of at least 3 chambers in Tuesday's
elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state
legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate),
Democrats went into the 2004 elections in control of
44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53 chambers, and 1
chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control
47 chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1
chamber is tied and 1 chamber (Montana House) is still
undecided.

14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no
greater moment than the one he's having this week.
It's all downhill for him from here on out -- and,
more significantly, he's just not going to want to do
all the hard work that will be expected of him. It'll
be like everyone's last month in 12th grade -- you've
already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll
treat the
next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even
more time at the ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why
shouldn't he? He's already proved his point, avenged
his father and kicked our ass.

15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take
this country down a very dark road, it is also just as
likely that either of the following two scenarios will
happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to
the Christian conservatives again to get elected,
someone may whisper in his ear
that he should spend these last four years building "a
legacy" so that
history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus
he will not push for too aggressive a right-wing
agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and arrogant --
and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of
such major proportions that even his own party will
have to remove him from office.

16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200
million of them of voting age. We only lost by three
and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it means
we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If
you had 58 yards to go before you reached the goal
line and then you barreled down 55 of those yards,
would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the
ball and go
home crying -- especially when you get to start the
next down on the three yard line? Of course not! Buck
up! Have hope! More sports analogies are coming!!!

17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million
Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1
Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total
number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I,
Clinton or Gore.
Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the
media are looking for a trend it should be this --
that so many Americans were, for the first time since
Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal.
The country has always been filled with evangelicals
-- that is not news. What IS news is that so many
people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In
fact,
that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the
mainstream media, the ones
who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real
truth about November
2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll
need the element of surprise in 2008.

Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me
yesterday, "My Romanian grandfather used to say to me,
'Remember, Morton, this is such a wonderful country
  -- it doesn't even need a president!'"

But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again
tomorrow.

Yours,

Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com

Oh great, Michael Moron.  I do thank him for his help in getting Bush reelected, but now his relevance is the same as Ralph Nader's.  He is useless. 

Hey Michael Moore, where is that victory party you promised us on your website on November 1st, 2004?

He forgot:

18.  Four more years of ME making a living bitching about the president.

We all reserve the right(or left) to do that, for any reason, at any time. ;)

Oh great, Michael Moron.  I do thank him for his help in getting Bush reelected, but now his relevance is the same as Ralph Nader's.  He is useless. 

Hey Michael Moore, where is that victory party you promised us on your website on November 1st, 2004?


You do love your personal attacks on Michael Moore, but you have never once refuted any of the claims he has made, NOT ONCE.  I guess you just can't stand the truth.
He forgot:

18. Four more years of ME making a living bitching about the president.


"The role of the true journalist (and the true patriot) is to comfort the afflicted and to affict the comfortable."
---H.L. Menken

When you people can advance logical, fact based arguments disproving M.M.'s claims, the rest of us might pay attention.  Meanwhile, you are just raving.

WE leftist and liberals are certainly disappointed, but get this straight, WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY, unless your fascist friends in congress allow all the blue states to become part of a new "United Provinces of Canada".  Then you all can become "Jesusland", and good luck to you without the financial, industrialm and technological might that makes this country a power house.  Canada would become the hegemon (look it up).

He forgot:

18.   Four more years of ME making a living bitching about the president.


Yeah he did make about as much money on the election as George Soros spent on it.

Yeah he did make about as much money on the election as George Soros spent on it.


And from where did Lil' Georgie get his hundreds of millions if not from rich patrons?

----
11/5/04

Dear Friends,

Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash
it all in, let's, in the words of Monty Python,
'always look on the bright side of life!' There IS
some good news from Tuesday's election.

Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:

1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for
president again.

2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting
president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

3. The only age group in which the majority voted for
Kerry was young adults (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%),
proving once again that your parents are always wrong
and you should never listen to them.

4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans
still think the
country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think
the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve
of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to
foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out.  It's an
American thing, like Pop Tarts.)

5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof
60-seat majority in the Senate. If the Democrats do
their job, Bush won't be able to pack the Supreme
Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the
Democrats do their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch
this one.

6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire
Northeast, the birthplace of our democracy. So did 6
of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West Coast!
Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the
fresh water, all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We
can dehydrate them or bury them in lava. And no more
show tunes!

7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a
nut, and not just any old nut -- a poisonous nut. A
great nation was felled by a poisonous nut.
May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces
Michigan.

8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50
years, America will no longer have a white majority.
Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If you're ten
years old and reading this, your golden years will be
truly golden and you will be well cared for in your
old age.

9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on
Tuesday, cannot get married in 11 new states. Thank
God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't
have to buy now.

10. Five more African Americans were elected as
members of Congress, including the return of Cynthia
McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to have more
blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our
candidates can't.

11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in
Colorado. Drink up!

12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want
them to go away.

13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked
up a net of at least 3 chambers in Tuesday's
elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state
legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate),
Democrats went into the 2004 elections in control of
44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53 chambers, and 1
chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control
47 chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1
chamber is tied and 1 chamber (Montana House) is still
undecided.

14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no
greater moment than the one he's having this week.
It's all downhill for him from here on out -- and,
more significantly, he's just not going to want to do
all the hard work that will be expected of him. It'll
be like everyone's last month in 12th grade -- you've
already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll
treat the
next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even
more time at the ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why
shouldn't he? He's already proved his point, avenged
his father and kicked our a**.

15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take
this country down a very dark road, it is also just as
likely that either of the following two scenarios will
happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to
the Christian conservatives again to get elected,
someone may whisper in his ear
that he should spend these last four years building "a
legacy" so that
history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus
he will not push for too aggressive a right-wing
agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and arrogant --
and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of
such major proportions that even his own party will
have to remove him from office.

16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200
million of them of voting age. We only lost by three
and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it means
we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If
you had 58 yards to go before you reached the goal
line and then you barreled down 55 of those yards,
would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the
ball and go
home crying -- especially when you get to start the
next down on the three yard line? Of course not! Buck
up! Have hope! More sports analogies are coming!!!

17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million
Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1
Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total
number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I,
Clinton or Gore.
Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the
media are looking for a trend it should be this --
that so many Americans were, for the first time since
Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal.
The country has always been filled with evangelicals
-- that is not news. What IS news is that so many
people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In
fact,
that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the
mainstream media, the ones
who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real
truth about November
2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll
need the element of surprise in 2008.

Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me
yesterday, "My Romanian grandfather used to say to me,
'Remember, Morton, this is such a wonderful country
  -- it doesn't even need a president!'"

But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again
tomorrow.

Yours,

Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com


OMG! Here we go again with that fat @ss...AND AOL...who I just read was blocking Anti-Kerry sites but not Anti-Bush sites before the election! BUT....I did NOT vote for Pete Coors....I like Ken Salazar. Just because he's a Democrat doesn't make him bad :)

OMG! Here we go again with that fat @ss...AND AOL...who I just read was blocking Anti-Kerry sites but not Anti-Bush sites before the election! BUT....I did NOT vote for Pete Coors....I like Ken Salazar. Just because he's a Democrat doesn't make him bad :)


So  as I suspected, RRF, there is hope for you yet (I am, of course, teasing you  ;) Hope you don't mind).

Dear Friends,

blah blah blah blah

Yours,

Michael Moore





Dear Michael Moore,

Thanks for helping Bush get reelected.  Now how about you shut the hell up for the next four years until we need you to help another republican win election.

Yours,

51% of America

So  as I suspected, RRF, there is hope for you yet (I am, of course, teasing you  ;) Hope you don't mind).
No Problem, Don Carlos. Seems you and I understand the term "Sense of humor"  :)

You do love your personal attacks on Michael Moore, but you have never once refuted any of the claims he has made, NOT ONCE.  I guess you just can't stand the truth.

"The role of the true journalist (and the true patriot) is to comfort the afflicted and to affict the comfortable."
---H.L. Menken

When you people can advance logical, fact based arguments disproving M.M.'s claims, the rest of us might pay attention.  Meanwhile, you are just raving.

WE leftist and liberals are certainly disappointed, but get this straight, WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY, unless your fascist friends in congress allow all the blue states to become part of a new "United Provinces of Canada".  Then you all can become "Jesusland", and good luck to you without the financial, industrialm and technological might that makes this country a power house.  Canada would become the hegemon (look it up).


I agree with you. All they have on Moore is that he's obese.

Dear Michael Moore,

Thanks for helping Bush get reelected.  Now how about you shut the hell up for the next four years until we need you to help another republican win election.

Yours,

51% of America




Yeah, I bet you would like Michael Moore and the rest of us to shut the hell up. Remember there is a little thing called the First Admendement (at least it is still in place at this moment) where we have the RIGHT to speak our minds. And I can bet that if Kerry won, you would have a few things to say. We will NOT SHUT THE HELL UP!!! We will keep talking and talking. This is a discussion board. How can you have a discussion if you don't want people to speak? At least MM speaks the truth unlike many of those people over at Faux News where they make it up as they go.



Cat

Yeah, I bet you would like Michael Moore and the rest of us to shut the hell up. Remember there is a little thing called the First Admendement (at least it is still in place at this moment) where we have the RIGHT to speak our minds. And I can bet that if Kerry won, you would have a few things to say. We will NOT SHUT THE HELL UP!!! We will keep talking and talking. This is a discussion board. How can you have a discussion if you don't want people to speak? At least MM speaks the truth unlike many of those people over at Faux News where they make it up as they go.



Cat
You absolutely have the right to speak...and I will respect you though our opinions may differ sometimes :) As for Moore, his movie is packed full of lies....as is the media. You liked his movie, I didn't....no biggie ;)

You absolutely have the right to speak...and I will respect you though our opinions may differ sometimes :) As for Moore, his movie is packed full of lies....as is the media. You liked his movie, I didn't....no biggie ;)



What specifically did he lie about?




Cat

A film that bases itself on a big lie and a big misrepresentation can only sustain itself by a dizzying succession of smaller falsehoods, beefed up by wilder and (if possible) yet more-contradictory claims. President Bush is accused of taking too many lazy vacations. (What is that about, by the way? Isn't he supposed to be an unceasing planner for future aggressive wars?) But the shot of him "relaxing at Camp David" shows him side by side with Tony Blair. I say "shows," even though this photograph is on-screen so briefly that if you sneeze or blink, you won't recognize the other figure. A meeting with the prime minister of the United Kingdom, or at least with this prime minister, is not a goof-off.

The president is also captured in a well-worn TV news clip, on a golf course, making a boilerplate response to a question on terrorism and then asking the reporters to watch his drive. Well, that's what you get if you catch the president on a golf course. If Eisenhower had done this, as he often did, it would have been presented as calm statesmanship. If Clinton had done it, as he often did, it would have shown his charm. More interesting is the moment where Bush is shown frozen on his chair at the infant school in Florida, looking stunned and useless for seven whole minutes after the news of the second plane on 9/11. Many are those who say that he should have leaped from his stool, adopted a Russell Crowe stance, and gone to work. I could even wish that myself. But if he had done any such thing then (as he did with his "Let's roll" and "dead or alive" remarks a month later), half the Michael Moore community would now be calling him a man who went to war on a hectic, crazed impulse. The other half would be saying what they already say—that he knew the attack was coming, was using it to cement himself in power, and couldn't wait to get on with his coup. This is the line taken by Gore Vidal and by a scandalous recent book that also revives the charge of FDR's collusion over Pearl Harbor. At least Moore's film should put the shameful purveyors of that last theory back in their paranoid box.



Perhaps vaguely aware that his movie so completely lacks gravitas, Moore concludes with a sonorous reading of some words from George Orwell. The words are taken from 1984 and consist of a third-person analysis of a hypothetical, endless, and contrived war between three superpowers. The clear intention, as clumsily excerpted like this (...) is to suggest that there is no moral distinction between the United States, the Taliban, and the Baath Party and that the war against jihad is about nothing. If Moore had studied a bit more, or at all, he could have read Orwell really saying, and in his own voice, the following:

The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …

If Michael Moore had had his way, Slobodan Milosevic would still be the big man in a starved and tyrannical Serbia. Bosnia and Kosovo would have been cleansed and annexed. If Michael Moore had been listened to, Afghanistan would still be under Taliban rule, and Kuwait would have remained part of Iraq. And Iraq itself would still be the personal property of a psychopathic crime family, bargaining covertly with the slave state of North Korea for WMD. You might hope that a retrospective awareness of this kind would induce a little modesty. To the contrary, it is employed to pump air into one of the great sagging blimps of our sorry, mediocre, celeb-rotten culture. Rock the vote, indeed.


What footage Moore chooses to put in his movie to support his stating of a fact, that Dubya has had more vacation time than any other president in history, is purely intended for a captive audience. His films are well-composed unlike other trendy documentaries (like "Super-Size Me" which was one of the most boring documentaries I've ever seen). In order to make a good documentary, one not only has to inform, but entertain. Moore succeeds in doing both in every one of his films.

The scene at Emma E. Booker Elementary in Sarasota, F.L. on 9/11, is not meant to be seen as a statement of facts (i.e. What Dubya was really thinking), but it is more of an introduction to a long visual essay. It is meant to introduce the film's thesis: that George W. Bush does not always have the best interest of the American people in mind, as much as he does the best interests of Big Business and the Saudis. The other facts presented in the film support that thesis. Moore showed clearly the strong connections between the Bush family and the Saudi Royals, and the Bin Laden family. He showed the connection between the Bushes and United Defense, and Cheney and Halliburton. Throw in some heartwrenching sob story of a woman who lost her son in Iraq to bring the true reality of war to light, and you've succeeded in making not only a good documentary, but by getting the audience emotionally involved, you've made a good film.

Also, I don't recall Moore ever coming out against the removal of Milosevic or of the Taliban. Maybe I'm wrong here though, I was only in 8th grade when Kosovo went down.

What specifically did he lie about?




Cat
I started a topic just for this "Movie" to display all the lies.... :)

We all reserve the right(or left) to do that, for any reason, at any time. ;)

Agreed.  The guy is entertaining; that's for sure.