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Subject: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: GWBush2004 on 10/27/04 at 11:46 am
By Borzou Daragahi
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 27, 2004
BAGHDAD -- Leaders and supporters of the anti-U.S. insurgency say their attacks in recent weeks have a clear objective: The greater the violence, the greater the chances that President Bush will be defeated on Tuesday and the Americans will go home.
"If the U.S. Army suffered numerous humiliating losses, Kerry would emerge as the superman of the American people," said Mohammad Amin Bashar, a leader of the Muslim Scholars Association, a hard-line clerical group that vocally supports the resistance.
Resistance leader Abu Jalal boasted that the mounting violence had already hurt Mr. Bush's chances.
"American elections and Iraq are linked tightly together," he told a Fallujah-based Iraqi reporter. "We've got to work to change the election, and we've done so. With our strikes, we've dragged Bush into the mud."
Mowafaq Al-Tai, a London-educated architect and intellectual, said different types of resistance fighters have different views of the U.S. election.
The most pro-Kerry, he said, are the former Saddam Hussein loyalists -- Ba'ath Party members and others who think Washington might scale back its ambitions for Iraq if Mr. Kerry wins, allowing them to re-enter civic life.
The most pro-Bush, he said, are the foreign extremists. "They prefer Bush, because he's a provocative figure, and the more they can push people to the extreme, the better for their case."
Abu Jalal, answering questions submitted to him through the Iraqi journalist, devised a simple formula for how his group's attacks on American soldiers draw votes from Mr. Bush.
"They say there are 1,100 dead soldiers. That means 1,100 families hold grudges against Bush and hate him. There are 6,000 families whose sons were injured who hate Bush and will not re-elect him."
But even within the resistance, not all agree that removing Mr. Bush from office would make a difference.
"The nation of infidels is one, and Bush and Kerry are two faces of the same coin," said Abu Obeida, nom de guerre of a leader of Fallujah's al-Noor Jihadi regiment. "What is taken by force will be returned only by force, and we don't care what the results of the elections are."
Among ordinary Iraqis interested only in a return to peace and stability, there is far less clarity about what the American election might bring. Many, like 35-year-old bank branch manager Sahar Mahmoud, say they are bewildered by media reports about the nuances of polling, swing states and attack ads.
"It's a very big political game, and something that we are very far from," he said. "We are very tired people, and we're just emerging from a big crisis. So we can't imagine what other people are going through."
Zeydoon Mohamad Jassem Najar, a biology student at Baghdad University, simply shakes his head as the U.S. politicians argue over his country's fate.
"It's like everybody is looking out for their own interests and nobody is looking for the Iraqi people's interests," he said. "It's like a game of personal interests between Bush and the other guy."
Mr. Bashar, a professor at Baghdad's Islamic University, said he and many of those who oppose the U.S. presence in Iraq were rooting for Mr. Kerry.
"I think if Kerry wins, he's going to try to get world support and United Nations involvement," he said during an interview at Baghdad's Um al-Qura mosque. "You'll see a different situation in Iraq if the United Nations is involved."
But Nazar Judi, a 41-year-old money trader who had his right hand cut off by Saddam Hussein's security forces nine years ago, is squarely in the Bush camp.
"I prefer Bush over the other guy because he knows Iraq well," said Mr. Judi, who received a new prosthetic hand from the U.S. Army and was flown to Washington to meet Mr. Bush in person. "I hope he wins his election because he wants to modernize Iraq."
A photograph of the American president shaking Mr. Judi's prosthetic hand hangs on the wall of a back room at his Khademiya office. In the front room, however, are portraits of Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the vehemently anti-U.S. Iranian cleric, and his successor, Ali Khamenei, the current theocratic ruler of Iran.
Link to article: http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041027-121030-7792r.htm
(Heck... Yassar Arafat endorsed Kerry, as did North Korea.)
Statement by libertarian talk show host (and Bush supporter I might add) Nea Boortz:
IRAQI INSURGENTS ENDORSE THE POODLE:
This has to go at the head of the Nuze today. It's official. The Islamic bastards killing our men and women in Iraq are pulling for John Kerry. Most of us aren't surprised.
The Islamic murderers in Iraq ("insurgents," as the media calls them) have now removed all doubt as to their objective. Is it just to kill Americans? Prevent democracy from taking hold in Iraq? Avenge the overthrow of Saddam Hussein? None of the above. They have now said their #1 objective is to elect John Kerry president of the United States next Tuesday. Surprised? You shouldn't be. A lot of people, including myself, have been telling you this for months.
Listen to the words of Mohammad Amin Bashar of the Muslim Scholars Association, a pro-insurgency group: "If the U.S. Army suffered numerous humiliating losses, Kerry would emerge as the superman of the American people," Another of The Poodle's supporters among the Iraqi resistance is Abu Jalal. He had this to say: "American elections and Iraq are linked tightly together. We've got to work to change the election, and we've done so. With our strikes, we've dragged Bush into the mud."ÂÂ
Now you have to ask yourself just why would these America-hating Islamic terrorists be against George Bush?
Easy. Because they fear him, that's why. Because he has vowed to destroy them, and they believe him, that's why. Terrorists like to be appeased, not destroyed.  They like to be given numerous chances to clean up their behavior, then slapped on the wrist when they keep chopping off innocent people's heads. They know that they will get their way, that America will cower in fear, when John Kerry is elected president of the United States.
Complicit in all of this is the mainstream media, the Islamic jihadists' public relations arm. The media in this country plays right into their hands, supporting their agenda and blowing their accomplishments out of proportion whenever possible. The left shares the goal with the Islamic terrorists in Iraq: defeat Bush and elect Kerry. So the attacks get over-reported, Iraq is made to look like it is a disaster, videotapes showing hostage-taking and demands are show on TV, and so on.
So the burning question is this: will John Kerry accept their endorsement? Probably so, and then he'll blame Bush for making him do it.
Just remember, when you walk into that voting booth next Tuesday Mohammad Amin Bashar and Abu Jalal, along with a bunch of their friends, want you to vote for John Kerry.
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: GWBush2004 on 10/27/04 at 11:59 am
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The most pro-Kerry, he said, are the former Saddam Hussein loyalists -- Ba'ath Party members and others who think Washington might scale back its ambitions for Iraq if Mr. Kerry wins, allowing them to re-enter civic life.
I did read the article...note the title: ''IRAQI terrorists......'' And what does that quote from The Washington Times say about Saddam loyalists who are from IRAQ? Hmm...
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: ChuckyG on 10/27/04 at 12:05 pm
it's ok... only the Iraqi terrorists want Kerry elected, and according to Bush, there's only foreign terrorists in Iraq at the moment. So I guess it's Bush's supporters (foreign terrorirsts) who are launching all the attacks. They're also the ones most likely to attack US citizens outside of Iraq.
So the choice of who to vote for is clear based on that reasoning. Surprising the Moonies would run an article that clearly shows Kerry to be the better choice like that.
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: Don Carlos on 10/27/04 at 4:55 pm
The Washington Times? And this is a credible news source? But for argument's sake lets say there might be some truth. The real extreamists want Bush because he will further inflame the situation. That means he will make things worse for us and better for them. Others say Kerry will internationalize the situation, that is, try to develop more support from other nations, thus relieving our troops from carrying the lion's share of the burden. And this is a bad thing? Maybe a glass or 2 of wine with Jacque Chiraque, and some quiet diplomacy could get some French troops on the ground, or a few beers with Helmut Schroder. Internationalizing the war in Iraq, or tuirning it over to to the UN would only less our vulnerability and increase the possibility of an acceptable outcome, like a secular, independant Iraqi state unencombered by an occupying force seen as infidel imperialist invaders.
Thanks for posting this GWB, I think it really does support Kerry.
And besides England, how many troops does the "coalition of the willing" have in Iraq?
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: CatwomanofV on 10/27/04 at 7:02 pm
And besides England, how many troops does the "coalition of the willing" have in Iraq?
Here's a link to the BBC that has stats on the number of troops from what nations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3873359.stm
I'm sure you agree with me that the BBC is a bit more credible that the Washington Times.
Cat
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: MooRocca on 10/28/04 at 10:00 am
Here's a link to the BBC that has stats on the number of troops from what nations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3873359.stm
Thanks for that link, Cat! I had found the census and other statistical data for Afghanistan and Iraq, in a tidy little chart, once before, but couldn't remember where -- that's where. That info along with known US troop deployments, some additional stats from the US census bureau and a little simple math provides the following information:
Afghanistan: (The hunt for Osama)
Population: 24.9 million (UN, 2004)
(About 1 and a half times the population of TX)
Area: 652,225 sq km (251,773 sq miles)
(Smaller than TX by approx. one avg. (Rhode Island) sized county.)
Main exports: Fruit and nuts, carpets, wool, opium
17,000 US troops deployed (not including those 700 to 1800 deployed solely for the Afghan election)
1 US soldier for each 14.8 sq. miles
1 US soldier for each 1,465 population.
_______________________________
Iraq: (The hunt for WMDs that weren't there)
Population: 25.8 million (UN, 2004)
(About twice the population of Florida)
Area: 438,317 sq km (169,235 sq miles)
(About the size of California and Deleware put together)
Main exports: Crude oil
112,000 American troops deployed
1 US soldier per 1.5 sq. miles.
1 US soldier per 230 population
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 10/28/04 at 1:59 pm
it's ok... only the Iraqi terrorists want Kerry elected, and according to Bush, there's only foreign terrorists in Iraq at the moment. So I guess it's Bush's supporters (foreign terrorirsts) who are launching all the attacks. They're also the ones most likely to attack US citizens outside of Iraq.ÂÂ
So the choice of who to vote for is clear based on that reasoning. Surprising the Moonies would run an article that clearly shows Kerry to be the better choice like that.
Yes, I was going to say, it's another hard-hitting report from America's premier Moonie rag. We have met the foreign extremists...and they are us! (us=U.S.)
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: Don Carlos on 10/28/04 at 4:54 pm
We have met the foreign extremists...and they are us! (us=U.S.)
Yes, that's how we are seen by all too many Iraqis, and those 380 thousand tons of high explosives? They will be giving them back to us, a few pounds at a time. Great planning Georgie. You better buy more body bags. :\'( :\'( :\'( :\'(
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: Davester on 10/28/04 at 8:16 pm
Depends on the terrorist. Remember, we have an awfully broad classification of what equals terrorism.
Those true terrorists bent on destruction prefer Bush, because he gives a solid focus for hatred.
Those terrorists who are more properly described as opposing a specific U.S. action prefer Kerry, because he represents the possibility of a change in American policy.
Headhunters in Iraq? Bush, because he's fuel to the fire. A bunch of guys holed up in a mosque with rifles and rocket-propelled grenades? Probably Kerry, who obviously dislikes promulgating a quagmire.
Subject: Re: Iraqi terrorists make objective clear, attacks are to get Kerry elected.
Written By: Don Carlos on 10/29/04 at 3:01 pm
Osama prefers Bush!