Not quite sure if this has been posted, but who cares?  ;D

THINGS YOU MUST BELIEVE
TO BE A REPUBLICAN TODAY
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

You support states' rights, but Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

Wasn't this crap already posted?

Just to balance this out:

THINGS YOU MUST BELIEVE TO BE A DEMOCRAT TODAY:

1.Drug addiction is a disease that should be treated with compassion and understanding...unless the addict is a Conservative talk show host.


2.The United States should be subservient to the United Nations. Our highest authority is not God and the U.S. Constitution, but a collective of tinpot dictators (and their appeasers) and the U.N. charter.


3.Government should relax drug laws regardless of the potential for abuse, but should pass new and unConstitutional anti-gun laws because of the potential for abuse.


4.Calls for increased security after a terrorist attack are "political opportunism," but calls for more gun control after a criminal's spree killing is "a logical solution."


5."It Takes a Village" means everything you want it to mean...except creeping socialist government involvement in the nuclear family.


6.Disarming innocent, law-abiding citizens helps protect them from evil, lawless terrorists and other thugs.


7.Slowly killing an unborn innocent by tearing it apart limb from limb is good. Slowly killing an innocent disabled woman by starving her to death is good. Quickly killing terrorists, convicted murderers and rapists is BAD.


8.Every religion should be respected and promoted in public schools the name of diversity, so long as that religion isn't Christianity.


9.The best way to support our troops is to criticize their every move. This will let them know they're thought of often.


10.Sexual harassment, groping and drug use are degenerate if you're the governor of California, but it's okay if you're the President of the United States.


11.Sex education should be required so that teens can make informed choices about sex, but gun education should be banned because it will turn those same teens into maniacal mass-murderers.


12.Minorities are blameless for the hatred of the racist; women are blameless for the hatred of the rapist; but America is entirely at fault for the hatred of Islamofascists.


13.Poverty is the cause of all terrorism...which is why the leaders of al Qaeda are typically U.S.-educated and were raised in wealth and luxury.


14.The Patriot Act is a horrific compromise of Constitutional rights, but anti-Second Amendment laws and Franklin Roosevelt's Presidential Order 9066 must be regarded "reasonable precautions."


15.We should unquestioningly honor the wishes of our age-old allies, even when said allies no longer act like our allies and have vested economic interests in propping up our enemies.


16.Socialized medicine is the ideal. Nevermind all those people who spend every dime they have to get to the United States so they can get quality medical care...that their nation's socialized medical community can't provide.


17.Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky and Natalie Maines are perfectly qualified to criticize our leadership, but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston, and Dennis Miller are just ignorant political hacks.


18.John Lott's research on how gun ownership reduces crime is junk science, but Michael Bellesiles is still an authority on why gun control is good (even though he was forced to resign from Emory due to research misconduct over his book "Arming America").


19.Bush's toppling the Saddam regime was a "diversion," but Clinton's lobbing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraq in the thick of the Lewinsky sex scandal was "sending a message."


20.A president who lies under oath is okay, but a president who references sixteen words from an allies' intelligence report should be dragged through the streets naked.


21.Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning Second Amendment rights and shopping the courts for judges sympathetic to causes that wouldn't pass in any legislature.


22."The People" in the First Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Fourth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Ninth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Tenth Amendment means The People; but "the People" in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the National Guard (created by an Act of Congress in 1903).


23.You support a woman's "right to choose" to kill her unborn child, but don't believe that same woman is competent enough to homeschool the children she bears.


24.Proven draft-dodging is irrelevant, but baseless claims of AWOL status is crucial to national security.


25.Threatening to boycott Dr. Laura's and Rush Limbaugh's advertisers is exercising Freedom of Speech, but threatening to boycott CBS's "The Reagans" and Liberal actors over their asinine anti-American remarks is censorship and McCarthyist blacklisting.

This crap has been invalidated

Just to balance this out:

THINGS YOU MUST BELIEVE TO BE A DEMOCRAT TODAY:

1.Drug addiction is a disease that should be treated with compassion and understanding...unless the addict is a Conservative talk show host.


2.The United States should be subservient to the United Nations. Our highest authority is not God and the U.S. Constitution, but a collective of tinpot dictators (and their appeasers) and the U.N. charter.


3.Government should relax drug laws regardless of the potential for abuse, but should pass new and unConstitutional anti-gun laws because of the potential for abuse.


4.Calls for increased security after a terrorist attack are "political opportunism," but calls for more gun control after a criminal's spree killing is "a logical solution."


5."It Takes a Village" means everything you want it to mean...except creeping socialist government involvement in the nuclear family.


6.Disarming innocent, law-abiding citizens helps protect them from evil, lawless terrorists and other thugs.


7.Slowly killing an unborn innocent by tearing it apart limb from limb is good. Slowly killing an innocent disabled woman by starving her to death is good. Quickly killing terrorists, convicted murderers and rapists is BAD.


8.Every religion should be respected and promoted in public schools the name of diversity, so long as that religion isn't Christianity.


9.The best way to support our troops is to criticize their every move. This will let them know they're thought of often.


10.Sexual harassment, groping and drug use are degenerate if you're the governor of California, but it's okay if you're the President of the United States.


11.Sex education should be required so that teens can make informed choices about sex, but gun education should be banned because it will turn those same teens into maniacal mass-murderers.


12.Minorities are blameless for the hatred of the racist; women are blameless for the hatred of the rapist; but America is entirely at fault for the hatred of Islamofascists.


13.Poverty is the cause of all terrorism...which is why the leaders of al Qaeda are typically U.S.-educated and were raised in wealth and luxury.


14.The Patriot Act is a horrific compromise of Constitutional rights, but anti-Second Amendment laws and Franklin Roosevelt's Presidential Order 9066 must be regarded "reasonable precautions."


15.We should unquestioningly honor the wishes of our age-old allies, even when said allies no longer act like our allies and have vested economic interests in propping up our enemies.


16.Socialized medicine is the ideal. Nevermind all those people who spend every dime they have to get to the United States so they can get quality medical care...that their nation's socialized medical community can't provide.


17.Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky and Natalie Maines are perfectly qualified to criticize our leadership, but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston, and Dennis Miller are just ignorant political hacks.


18.John Lott's research on how gun ownership reduces crime is junk science, but Michael Bellesiles is still an authority on why gun control is good (even though he was forced to resign from Emory due to research misconduct over his book "Arming America").


19.Bush's toppling the Saddam regime was a "diversion," but Clinton's lobbing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraq in the thick of the Lewinsky sex scandal was "sending a message."


20.A president who lies under oath is okay, but a president who references sixteen words from an allies' intelligence report should be dragged through the streets naked.


21.Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning Second Amendment rights and shopping the courts for judges sympathetic to causes that wouldn't pass in any legislature.


22."The People" in the First Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Fourth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Ninth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Tenth Amendment means The People; but "the People" in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the National Guard (created by an Act of Congress in 1903).


23.You support a woman's "right to choose" to kill her unborn child, but don't believe that same woman is competent enough to homeschool the children she bears.


24.Proven draft-dodging is irrelevant, but baseless claims of AWOL status is crucial to national security.


25.Threatening to boycott Dr. Laura's and Rush Limbaugh's advertisers is exercising Freedom of Speech, but threatening to boycott CBS's "The Reagans" and Liberal actors over their asinine anti-American remarks is censorship and McCarthyist blacklisting.



;) :-X

Just to balance this out:

THINGS YOU MUST BELIEVE TO BE A DEMOCRAT TODAY:

1.Drug addiction is a disease that should be treated with compassion and understanding...unless the addict is a Conservative talk show host.


Yeah, but what if that same conservative talk show host has argued vehemently in the past AGAINST treating drug addicts with compassion and understanding?... Making any pleas for compassion and understanding on his own part extremely hypocritical.

Both of those have been posted before, but comparing them does highlight some really quite telling differences: the first one is by and large a statement of fact (for example, how many of those can anyone actually disagree with?)... the second is just plain ridiculous in places:
7.Slowly killing an unborn innocent by tearing it apart limb from limb is good. Slowly killing an innocent disabled woman by starving her to death is good. Quickly killing terrorists, convicted murderers and rapists is BAD.
Yeah, right.  This isn't just untrue, it's offensive.

This is half the problem at the moment, IMO: vitriol and lies (which are overwhelmingly coming from the Republicans) are expected to have (and often do have) the same weight as true, provable statements.  There has been a torrent of anti-Kerry posting which has without exception been either proven untrue or is utterly trivial, especially when compared to what Bush has actually done while in office.

This is half the problem at the moment, IMO: vitriol and lies (which are overwhelmingly coming from the Republicans) are expected to have (and often do have) the same weight as true, provable statements.  There has been a torrent of anti-Kerry posting which has without exception been either proven untrue or is utterly trivial, especially when compared to what Bush has actually done while in office.


Agreed.

Some people just can't see what is happening in front of their own eyes. The evidence of Bush's lies, mistakes and failures appears on every television across the globe every single day! It tears me apart to see the pictures and stories of our fallen heroes and their families left behind every single day. All for an unnecessary war. I think some people forget or don't care to realize that the U.S. had absolutely no reason to go into Iraq. Hey, it was proven!! I just wish the world could understand that the overwhelming majority of the U.S., including a very great number of armed forces personnel, is very disillusioned with the actions of our government and feel betrayed. They followed orders and are continually dying in a war waged under false pretenses, for all of the wrong reasons.

If Gore had been allowed to take office, as the majority of the U.S. citizens had indeed positively voted, I dare propose September 11th may not have happened and we know that sham of a war in Iraq certainly and emphatically would never have taken place and our over 1,000 young men and women, sons and daughters, mothers and fathers and siblings would all still be with us and their respective families today. :\'(

Darn Bush.

Let us start anew. A fresh start is what we need, desperately. Goodness knows our economy and personal freedoms are at stake.

Vote Kerry! 2004

Agreed.

Some people just can't see what is happening in front of their own eyes. The evidence of Bush's lies, mistakes and failures appears on every television across the globe every single day! It tears me apart to see the pictures and stories of our fallen heroes and their families left behind every single day. All for an unnecessary war. I think some people forget or don't care to realize that the U.S. had absolutely no reason to go into Iraq. Hey, it was proven!! I just wish the world could understand that the overwhelming majority of the U.S., including a very great number of armed forces personnel, is very disillusioned with the actions of our government and feel betrayed. They followed orders and are continually dying in a war waged under false pretenses, for all of the wrong reasons.

If Gore had been allowed to take office, as the majority of the U.S. citizens had indeed positively voted, I dare propose September 11th may not have happened and we know that sham of a war in Iraq certainly and emphatically would never have taken place and our over 1,000 young men and women, sons and daughters, mothers and fathers and siblings would all still be with us and their respective families today. :\'(

Darn Bush.

Let us start anew. A fresh start is what we need, desperately. Goodness knows our economy and personal freedoms are at stake.

Vote Kerry! 2004



That is exactly how I feel. I believe in every fiber of my being that Bush and co. knew about 9/11 and didn't do anything to prevent it. I felt that way since that fateful day.

It really boogles my mind that these polls (which are a farce anyway) shows that many believe that Bush would be better at "winning" the war on terror but they don't realize that we are in a war on terror BECAUSE of Bush!



Cat

It really boogles my mind that these polls (which are a farce anyway) shows that many believe that Bush would be better at "winning" the war on terror but they don't realize that we are in a war on terror BECAUSE of Bush!

Cat


It's not even a war on terror, though, which makes it even more disturbing!! It's a war in Iraq with the "just pulled out of a hat" purpose of freeing the Iraqi people (once the WMDs theory/sham went awash), not even remotely close to any objective related to the attacks on 9/11.

Bush manufactured, fabricated this chaotic and needless war in Iraq.

Bush, in essence, has killed and is continuing to kill our men and women over there, collapsing our economy and our nation in the process and breaking our spirit.

Have any of you seen the footage of any of the beheadings?

Those atrocities would have never occurred if it hadn't been for George W. Bush. Bush did this! Bush did all of this. That's the reality. There is no way to deny our current reality here in the United States of America, evidently not so united anymore.

How can anyone deny that Bush screwed-up? Really?

I just don't see how it is possible that some people can magically explain this all away!

Frankly, it drives me down-right crazy.


Please Vote Kerry November 2, 2004!!!

Save Us!! Save Our Beloved Country!!!

It's not even a war on terror, though, which makes it even more disturbing!! It's a war in Iraq with the "just pulled out of a hat" purpose of freeing the Iraqi people (once the WMDs theory/sham went awash), not even remotely close to any objective related to the attacks on 9/11.

Bush manufactured, fabricated this chaotic and needless war in Iraq.

Bush, in essence, has killed and is continuing to kill our men and women over there, collapsing our economy and our nation in the process and breaking our spirit.

Have any of you seen the footage of any of the beheadings?

Those atrocities would have never occurred if it hadn't been for George W. Bush. Bush did this! Bush did all of this. That's the reality. There is no way to deny our current reality here in the United States of America, evidently not so united anymore.

How can anyone deny that Bush screwed-up? Really?

I just don't see how it is possible that some people can magically explain this all away!

Frankly, it drives me down-right crazy.


Please Vote Kerry November 2, 2004!!!

Save Us!! Save Our Beloved Country!!!



You are preaching to the choir here, Hairspray. I see it all too clearly. I have seen it from the start. And yes, I too, am very distrubed that many don't see it. They don't see what Bush has done-not just in Iraq but on this continant also. This man is very, very dangerous to this country and to the world. He believes in democracy my @$$. That is why he disinfrancied so many in the 2000 election and is probably trying to do the same thing in this one. You are right that we NEED Kerry to save this country. At this point he is our only hope.

As for the beheadings, I could not watch them-they are just too disturbing for me to watch. I admit that I don't watch or read  much about of the war because I KNOW it is ugly, I KNOW it is disturbing so I don't need to watch it. There was a line in M*A*S*H which is very true.

Henry Blake: The first 2 things that taught at commander's school. The first rule is in war, young men die. The second rule is that doctors can't change rule number one.  :\'( :\'( :\'(

My heart goes out to all those men and women and their families. They are not dying to preserve our freedom. They are dying so Dubya and his buddies can have Iraqi's oil. I'm sorry, but that is not a good reason to die.




Cat

You are preaching to the choir here, Hairspray.

Cat


Perhaps, but I'm finding much of this still needs to be said all the way 'till the last minute. On a personal level it is doing me a whole heck of a lot of good to get this frustration out of my system. I just want to run around outside on the streets, in the malls, in the grocery stores, in office buildings and scream out "Wake Up, Help US. Vote Kerry"!!

Perhaps, but I'm finding much of this still needs to be said all the way 'till the last minute. On a personal level it is doing me a whole heck of a lot of good to get this frustration out of my system. I just want to run around outside on the streets, in the malls, in the grocery stores, in office buildings and scream out "Wake Up, Help US. Vote Kerry"!!



I hear ya. Me too. So YELL at the top of your lungs-maybe they will hear you over me.  ;D




Cat

Just to balance this out:

THINGS YOU MUST BELIEVE TO BE A DEMOCRAT TODAY:

1.Drug addiction is a disease that should be treated with compassion and understanding...unless the addict is a Conservative talk show host.
Said Rightie radio host used to shoot his mouth off about "personal responsibility" and how drug users ought to be thrown in jail.  We just figured maybe he'd want to live by his own credo, but I guess not.  The real credo is, "It's OK if you're rich."  As Dr. Bennett said about his gambling addiction, "I never gambled away the milk money."  That's right.  Behavioral strictures for the poor, hedonistic libertinism for the rich.


2.The United States should be subservient to the United Nations. Our highest authority is not God and the U.S. Constitution, but a collective of tinpot dictators (and their appeasers) and the U.N. charter.  The Republican authority is the Almighty...the Almighty Dollar!  Moreover, the Almighty Dollar used to line the pockets of a few greedy capitalists at the expense of the rest of America and the rest of humanity.  The Republican party of today has shown it doesn't understand why it is necessary to get along with other nations, even if they disagree with us.  They think we can just borrow ever more money to feed the military for imperialist wars.  They never speak of what will happen when our international debtors get fed up with us and decide the Euro is a better bargain than the U.S. dollar.  God they're myopic!
::)
BTW, "strict constructionalist" is just a euphemism for "white supremicist."  Don't like white supremecy?  Don't say you are a "strict constructionalist."


3.Government should relax drug laws regardless of the potential for abuse, but should pass new and unConstitutional anti-gun laws because of the potential for abuse.
No child ever died in a drive-by joint-smoking.


4.Calls for increased security after a terrorist attack are "political opportunism," but calls for more gun control after a criminal's spree killing is "a logical solution."
Well, they're only "political opportunism" if they prove to be "political opportunism," and they have proven to be just that.  The Bushies don't want to pay for comprehensive security at our ports, at our nuke and chemical plants, and in our cities.  They went to Iraq to play capture the oil instead of spending the money on civil defense measures here at home.  They love the Patriot Act because they love to butt into people's personal lives, but fiscal solvency as a security measure is an alien idea to them.


5."It Takes a Village" means everything you want it to mean...except creeping socialist government involvement in the nuclear family.
The Republican credo here is what Maggie Thatcher said, "There is no 'society,' there is only individuals and their families."  Divide and conquer, my friend.  Republicans love to say they see people as "individuals" as a smokescreen for their dread of the power of the people united.  Republicans don't support the kinds of economic policies that create a fertile environment for the nuclear family to fluorish absent the involvement of the government.  If Bush gets on the sanctimonious soapbox about "small business" again, I'll scream a hole in the ceiling!


6.Disarming innocent, law-abiding citizens helps protect them from evil, lawless terrorists and other thugs.
That's not on the Democratic party platform.  All I want to see is the same accountability one must have to legally be able to drive a car be applied to gun ownership.  Both cars and guns are deadly weapons in the wrong hands.  There are activists who want to disarm the American people, but that's another red herring.  The kind of strict gun laws you see in Britain and Australia are not coming to America.


7.Slowly killing an unborn innocent by tearing it apart limb from limb is good. Slowly killing an innocent disabled woman by starving her to death is good. Quickly killing terrorists, convicted murderers and rapists is BAD.  I addressed the big A in another thread, I'm not going to repeat myself.  "Living will" is an interesting controversy.  You won't find uniform agreement on it among liberals.  When you say "disabled," you use deceptive wording, and you know it.  I'm not in favor of the death penalty and I told you why before.  Killing terrorists does not discourage terrorism.


8.Every religion should be respected and promoted in public schools the name of diversity, so long as that religion isn't Christianity.
The few times I have seen a bona-fide anti-Christian bias, I have found it deplorable.  I believe the ACLU makes too big a deal about displays of faith in public.  However, I believe a lot of people have been driven to hysteria because our government is overrun by evangelical wingnuts who want to impose their Biblical codes on the rest of us.


9.The best way to support our troops is to criticize their every move. This will let them know they're thought of often.
It's not the fault of the soldiers their government sends them into unnecessary wars.  We at home can't afford to knuckle under to the emotional blackmail of "support our troops," not when their is so much at stake.  No law says you have to shut up when you see the military being misused, but maybe the next Bush Administration will see one passed.  If the soldiers feel I disrespect them, I can only ask what choice I have if "supporting" our troops means kowtowing to the Bush Administration.


10.Sexual harassment, groping and drug use are degenerate if you're the governor of California, but it's okay if you're the President of the United States.
Nope.  It's not OK.  I thought Clinton's conduct was totally repulsive.  I was not in favor of nominating him in 1992.  However, he was ever so much more corporatist than Tom Harkin or Jerry Brown.  How friendly a candidate is to big business is much more important than personal virtue, doncha know.
I didn't think the Clinton's consensual fling with Lewinsky was worth a 70 million dollar fishing trip.  I thought Ken Starr and the Clinton haters did grave danger to our national security by forcing Clinton to devote so much time and energy to their witch hunt.  Yeah, Clinton had no business philandering with an intern, but his actions did not rise to high crimes and treason as required for articles of impeachment.  Say all you want about lying under oath and suborning perjury.  It was wrong for Clinton to do that too, but he only did it AFTER the "Get Clinton" posse cornered him and compromised our national security.


11.Sex education should be required so that teens can make informed choices about sex, but gun education should be banned because it will turn those same teens into maniacal mass-murderers.
I'm in favor of both sex ed and gun ed.  Education doesn't cause or prevent pathological behavior.  However, if the Righties had their way, every 13 year old would know how to shoot a belt fed weapon, and STILL not know how to avoid getting the clap!


12.Minorities are blameless for the hatred of the racist; women are blameless for the hatred of the rapist; but America is entirely at fault for the hatred of Islamofascists.
This statement borders on nonsensical and is too hysterical to warrant further comment.


13.Poverty is the cause of all terrorism...which is why the leaders of al Qaeda are typically U.S.-educated and were raised in wealth and luxury.
If people believe poverty causes terrorism, they are wrong.  If people don't acknowledge that poverty makes people vulnerable to the seductions of terrorist leaders, they too are wrong.


14.The Patriot Act is a horrific compromise of Constitutional rights, but anti-Second Amendment laws and Franklin Roosevelt's Presidential Order 9066 must be regarded "reasonable precautions."
Ah, I will have to re-read FDR's Order 9066!  Anyway, I'm not wasting my time on the Second Amendment stalemate.


15.We should unquestioningly honor the wishes of our age-old allies, even when said allies no longer act like our allies and have vested economic interests in propping up our enemies.
Not necessarily.  However, it is counterproductive to just give them the finger.  It is also counterproductive to live in a Sean Hannity fantasy land in which we make pretent the U.S. doesn't prop up more than its share of terrible regimes to advance our own economic interests.


16.Socialized medicine is the ideal. Nevermind all those people who spend every dime they have to get to the United States so they can get quality medical care...that their nation's socialized medical community can't provide.
There are frustrating problems with every health care system.  The U.S. cannot copy any other nation's health care system, we are a unique country and must develop our own.  The one we have now is a miserable failure in its own right.  If you're the prince of Zorbador, of course you come to the U.S.  In America you can get anything you want so long as you have the bucks to shell out for it on the spot.


17.Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky and Natalie Maines are perfectly qualified to criticize our leadership, but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston, and Dennis Miller are just ignorant political hacks.
Ayuh, you got that right...especially in reference to the specified individuals!


18.John Lott's research on how gun ownership reduces crime is junk science, but Michael Bellesiles is still an authority on why gun control is good (even though he was forced to resign from Emory due to research misconduct over his book "Arming America").
I'm vaguely familiar with these guys.  I wouldn't comment without a refresher course.


19.Bush's toppling the Saddam regime was a "diversion," but Clinton's lobbing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraq in the thick of the Lewinsky sex scandal was "sending a message."
Bush's toppling of the Saddam regime paved the way for another civil war in Iraq and the coming of a new, more Corporate America-friendly "Saddam."  The Iraq war was a ploy by the military-petroleum complex.  If you don't see it now, you'll see it later, unless you hire ravens to pluck your eyes out.  The Lewinsky scandal shouldn't have happened, not will Bubba was still in office.  Bad for the country.


20.A president who lies under oath is okay, but a president who references sixteen words from an allies' intelligence report should be dragged through the streets naked.
Noooo, it's not OK for Clinton to lie under oath.  The sixteen words are a red herring, the lies and deceit go far deeper.  As for "dragged through the streets naked," that's against the Eighth Amendment while we still have one.


21.Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning Second Amendment rights and shopping the courts for judges sympathetic to causes that wouldn't pass in any legislature.
Funny how liberal judges are called "activist," but right-wing judges are always credited as "interpreting the true meaning of the Constitution."  Sure, now put away the shovel.


22."The People" in the First Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Fourth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Ninth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Tenth Amendment means The People; but "the People" in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the National Guard (created by an Act of Congress in 1903).
I too believe the Second Amendment means "the people," but I'm not absolutist, and neither is any legislator I know of.  You can't even own artillery, let alone a nuclear weapon!  Talk about "abridged"!


23.You support a woman's "right to choose" to kill her unborn child, but don't believe that same woman is competent enough to homeschool the children she bears.
Flapdoodle


24.Proven draft-dodging is irrelevant, but baseless claims of AWOL status is crucial to national security.  Clinton had a student deferment, then later didn't show up to the military as he agreed.  Bush was in the military, but violated the law by not showing up where he was supposed to be, but they let it slide.  The liberals wouldn't pick on Bush so much if the Republicans hadn't hired surrogate thugs--rat-bastid John O'Neill and the Swiftie creeps--to wage all out war against Kerry.


25.Threatening to boycott Dr. Laura's and Rush Limbaugh's advertisers is exercising Freedom of Speech, but threatening to boycott CBS's "The Reagans" and Liberal actors over their asinine anti-American remarks is censorship and McCarthyist blacklisting.
Hey, this is America, baby, you can boycott anybody for anything you want.  I only regret that CBS backed down.

Perhaps, but I'm finding much of this still needs to be said all the way 'till the last minute. On a personal level it is doing me a whole heck of a lot of good to get this frustration out of my system. I just want to run around outside on the streets, in the malls, in the grocery stores, in office buildings and scream out "Wake Up, Help US. Vote Kerry"!!


As Cat said, DO IT!  If I could get away, I'd be in Penn right now going from door to door.  If you live in a swing state, go for it.  Here in VT, some  folks with local Repub signs on their lawn also have Kerry/Edwards signs, and many have no Bush/Cheney signs.  Our 3 votes go the Kerry, no question.  So canvas, write a check (if you can), write a letter to the editor, and keep on ranting here!  

And be ready to make whatever stink you can when (not if) the Bushies try to steal the election.

God and Godess help us all.

Just to balance this out:

THINGS YOU MUST BELIEVE TO BE A DEMOCRAT TODAY:

In the interests of balance, seeing as Max has wasted so much of his time shooting down your post point by point (with, I must say, an awful lot more patience than I had), would you be so kind as to do the same to the original post?  Otherwise, we'll all be forced to conclude that what you did was post propagandist crap in response to something that is, in essence, true... and we wouldn't want that, would we?

Just to balance this out:

THINGS YOU MUST BELIEVE TO BE A DEMOCRAT TODAY:

1.Drug addiction is a disease that should be treated with compassion and understanding...unless the addict is a Conservative talk show host.


2.The United States should be subservient to the United Nations. Our highest authority is not God and the U.S. Constitution, but a collective of tinpot dictators (and their appeasers) and the U.N. charter.


3.Government should relax drug laws regardless of the potential for abuse, but should pass new and unConstitutional anti-gun laws because of the potential for abuse.


4.Calls for increased security after a terrorist attack are "political opportunism," but calls for more gun control after a criminal's spree killing is "a logical solution."


5."It Takes a Village" means everything you want it to mean...except creeping socialist government involvement in the nuclear family.


6.Disarming innocent, law-abiding citizens helps protect them from evil, lawless terrorists and other thugs.


7.Slowly killing an unborn innocent by tearing it apart limb from limb is good. Slowly killing an innocent disabled woman by starving her to death is good. Quickly killing terrorists, convicted murderers and rapists is BAD.


8.Every religion should be respected and promoted in public schools the name of diversity, so long as that religion isn't Christianity.


9.The best way to support our troops is to criticize their every move. This will let them know they're thought of often.


10.Sexual harassment, groping and drug use are degenerate if you're the governor of California, but it's okay if you're the President of the United States.


11.Sex education should be required so that teens can make informed choices about sex, but gun education should be banned because it will turn those same teens into maniacal mass-murderers.


12.Minorities are blameless for the hatred of the racist; women are blameless for the hatred of the rapist; but America is entirely at fault for the hatred of Islamofascists.


13.Poverty is the cause of all terrorism...which is why the leaders of al Qaeda are typically U.S.-educated and were raised in wealth and luxury.


14.The Patriot Act is a horrific compromise of Constitutional rights, but anti-Second Amendment laws and Franklin Roosevelt's Presidential Order 9066 must be regarded "reasonable precautions."


15.We should unquestioningly honor the wishes of our age-old allies, even when said allies no longer act like our allies and have vested economic interests in propping up our enemies.


16.Socialized medicine is the ideal. Nevermind all those people who spend every dime they have to get to the United States so they can get quality medical care...that their nation's socialized medical community can't provide.


17.Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky and Natalie Maines are perfectly qualified to criticize our leadership, but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston, and Dennis Miller are just ignorant political hacks.


18.John Lott's research on how gun ownership reduces crime is junk science, but Michael Bellesiles is still an authority on why gun control is good (even though he was forced to resign from Emory due to research misconduct over his book "Arming America").


19.Bush's toppling the Saddam regime was a "diversion," but Clinton's lobbing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraq in the thick of the Lewinsky sex scandal was "sending a message."


20.A president who lies under oath is okay, but a president who references sixteen words from an allies' intelligence report should be dragged through the streets naked.


21.Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning Second Amendment rights and shopping the courts for judges sympathetic to causes that wouldn't pass in any legislature.


22."The People" in the First Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Fourth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Ninth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Tenth Amendment means The People; but "the People" in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the National Guard (created by an Act of Congress in 1903).


23.You support a woman's "right to choose" to kill her unborn child, but don't believe that same woman is competent enough to homeschool the children she bears.


24.Proven draft-dodging is irrelevant, but baseless claims of AWOL status is crucial to national security.


25.Threatening to boycott Dr. Laura's and Rush Limbaugh's advertisers is exercising Freedom of Speech, but threatening to boycott CBS's "The Reagans" and Liberal actors over their asinine anti-American remarks is censorship and McCarthyist blacklisting.





Answers to the important ones...

1. No, it's always an illness, but if you're going to treat it as a crime, then everyone needs to get equal treatment. No playing favourites.

2. No one ever said we need to be subserviant to anything besides the use of common sense, and being concerned with the fact that what we do affects everybody.

7. The abortion question all comes down to when we think a being receives its rights, and in my opinion, as long as it cannot live without the body of the mother, then it is part of the mother's body and it can be dealt with at her discretion. People who are on death have already been given their rights, without question, and no foreign entity (i.e. anyone who is not them) has the right to decide whether s/he lives or dies. Rotting in prison is a far worse punishment than being given a painless death, a release from any sure consequences.

8. No, all religions deserve equal status. Whiney Christian Fundies don't want that, they want a protected status for themselves, where their ideas are taught in science classes, and their clergy get to lead a religiously diverse student body in prayers to their god. No other religion even suggests they should have this in our public schools, while Christians have a myriad of organisations dedicated to the cause.

16. The US receives exremely low numbers of immigrants from countries like Canada, England, France, Germany, Japan, Netherlands etc... these days. And those who do come here from these countries, aren't coming here for our healthcare system. Know that. In fact, the populations of these countries are generally happy with their socialised healthcare, and though all systems experience problems, they would rather have it than have one like ours. In any case, we are far wealthier than any of these countries, so are you saying that we couldn't do better? Also, in all of these countries, private healthcare services are still available for those who are willing to pay for them, but the social system is always there to fall back on so that no one will go without health. Everyone wins, except for soulless corporations.

In the interests of balance, seeing as Max has wasted so much of his time shooting down your post point by point (with, I must say, an awful lot more patience than I had), would you be so kind as to do the same to the original post?  Otherwise, we'll all be forced to conclude that what you did was post propagandist crap in response to something that is, in essence, true... and we wouldn't want that, would we?

I...I...I wasted my time?  Waaaahhhhh!!!
:\'( :\'( :\'(

I...I...I wasted my time? Waaaahhhhh!!!
:\'( :\'( :\'(

Sorry, that didn't come across quite right... OK

Seeing as Max has lovingly devoted so much of his precious time...

..better?

I think what I started out saying was that I wasn't going to waste my time shooting it down point by point... then I spotted that you had already. :-)

Max, that was a GREAT rebuttal.  Thanks for taking the time (I suspected you would, so I left it to you.  You are very eloquent).

Sorry, that didn't come across quite right... OK

Seeing as Max has lovingly devoted so much of his precious time...

..better?
Uhhh, OK, now go out to the kitchen and fix me a cup of tea with lemon and sugar.
;)

I think what I started out saying was that I wasn't going to waste my time shooting it down point by point... then I spotted that you had already. :-)

I tried, but I couldn't quite get them all!

Max, that was a GREAT rebuttal.  Thanks for taking the time (I suspected you would, so I left it to you.  You are very eloquent).

Gee, thanks.  He made a couple of references I'd have to check up on before I could rebut the assertion properly, and a couple of those statements were to silly to warrant a rebuttal.  I mean, I have no hopes of getting him to admit anything.  He's gonna keep the same talking points no matter what you say!  That's what Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity do!
:P

HMM,

*Waits for GWBush2004 to analyse his list*

HMM,

*Waits for GWBush2004 to analyse his list*


Don't hold your breath.  He is very good at mouthing the party line, but when it comes to independant thinking.....well...don't expect much.

This statement is false and irresponsible, even for you, Maxwell. Second-hand smoke is worse than a drive-by in that the child dies slowly in front of people would should care about the child. Whether it's a joint or a regular cigarette doesn't matter. There are researchers and scinetists who have proven second hand smoke is a carcinogen. If I had any kids, I wouldn't let them near smokers, even if they were part of my family. The Clintons were the first to lobby for banning smoking in public buildings, so I'm surprised you would stoop this low (no offense). Don't even want to take about Bill's diet. ::)




No child ever died in a drive-by joint-smoking.

Not quite sure if this has been posted, but who cares?  ;D

THINGS YOU MUST BELIEVE
TO BE A REPUBLICAN TODAY
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

You support states' rights, but Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

RESPONSE:

One of the more popular anti-Republican documents making the rounds on the Internet is titled "Things You Have to Believe to Vote Republican Today." Its popularity is exceeded only by its shallowness, which renders the document much more reflective of the liberals who admire it than of the Republicans it attacks. But given its popularity, I offer brief responses to its claims (space limitations and triviality prevented me from responding to three of them).

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Response: Saddam was always a bad guy. We supported him when he fought Iran because at that time he was fighting a greater menace, Iran. Unlike most liberals, Republicans understand that sometimes you support a bad guy when fighting a worse evil -- just as America did when we supported the horrific Stalin against the more horrific Hitler.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

Response: We trade with China because if we do not, other countries will have access to the world's largest market and largest labor base. If we did not trade with China, Americans would be greatly hurt. On the other hand, we do not trade with Cuba because we have a chance to weaken a communist dictator. One weakens evil where one can. Unlike the liberal who wrote this indictment, others understand that just because you cannot fight every evil does not mean you should fight no evils. (For the record, as we have done with Vietnam, I have supported ending the Cuban embargo since the Cold War ended.)

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Though the statement is a non sequitur, I will respond. Every country regulates companies doing business in their country. That proposition is therefore erroneous; and so is the other. Only those on the Left can believe that the human fetus carried by a woman is "her body." A woman's teeth, breasts, legs, hair -- all these are her body. But the human fetus is another's body. The narcissism of the wording -- rendering a human fetus an appendage of the mother and of no more worth than a decayed tooth -- is shameful.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

Response: No Christian I have ever talked to ever said that either Jesus or they hate homosexuals. Only demagogues confuse opposition to same-sex marriage with hatred of homosexuals. And the notion that anyone believes Jesus hates Hillary Clinton is libelous.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

Response: The proposition is a lie. And soldiers know it. That is why they prefer the Republican nominee by a margin of four to one. What undermines troop morale is to be told over and over that you are fighting "the wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time."

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

Response: No one has ever said this. No one. It is only a facile liberal mind that can confuse "less likely to have sex" if condoms are not distributed with "won't have sex" if condoms are not distributed.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

Response: When Iraq is on its feet, it is our hope that it will decrease government involvement in its citizens' lives. Just as it is our hope to do so here. Moreover, all Americans have access to health care. Not having health insurance does not mean not having health care.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Response: Few big businesses have the best interests of the public at heart. No conservative has ever argued otherwise. But liberals believe that big government and big unions do.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

Response: Global warming may well be taking place. But it may be too soon to know for sure -- not long ago we were warned about global cooling. The question that is open to scientific debate is what is causing the global warming that may be happening.

Most conservatives do not want creationism taught in schools and have no trouble with teaching evolution. But if evolution is taught as meaning all life, including human, just happened by itself, that is beyond science -- that is the teaching of atheism. And many of us, including vast numbers of scientists, think that children and society do better learning that there is a moral and purposeful God that created the world (and perhaps evolution as well).

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Response: Honorable people can differ as to whether a president lying under oath while president has committed an impeachable offense. On the other hand, it is entirely dishonorable to charge President Bush with lying about WMDs in Iraq. Everyone, including Democrats and the intelligence services of Russia, Britain and France, believed Saddam Hussein had them. It is the great lie of our time that President Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. To act upon the knowledge one has at the time is not a lie. It is the behavior of a responsible leader.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriage and censoring the Internet.

Response: Society has every right, indeed the duty, to define marriage. A constitutional amendment defining marriage has become necessary only because liberal judges, by taking that role upon themselves, have rendered it impossible for American society to do so. Liberals are delighted to have five justices define the Constitution to allow abortion for no reason other than the convenience of a pregnant woman, but find adding an amendment to define marriage passed by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states offensive.

And liberals should tread carefully before accusing conservatives of favoring censorship. It is overwhelmingly liberals and the Left that censor speech in America -- through speech codes at most universities, through laws defining what a man can say in the presence of a woman in the workplace, and through "campaign finance reform" that ensures only multi-millionaires can run for office.

Source: www.townhall.com