Read what John le Carré, Antonia Fraser and Richard Dawkins have to say

John le Carré especially from those three expresses so eloquently the way I feel about the election over there.

I'm sure that the non-Americans here on this board realizes that many of us in the U.S. feel the same way as the rest of the world. We are not following this "leadership" blindly. We see what this Adminstration is doing to the U.S. and to the rest of the world.




Cat

CNN reported today that as many as 3/4 of the people polled (mostly in Europe) favor Kerry.

I'm having trouble opening that link.  I'll try again on another computer.

The Bush Administration and the right-wing make me feel embarrassed to be an American.  It really is humiliating.  As far as I'm concerned, the radicals now dominating the Republican party are the real traitors to America.  No one has done so much damage to our economy and our standing in the world.  We have only begun to feel the injuries received!

I'm having trouble opening that link.  I'll try again on another computer.

The Bush Administration and the right-wing make me feel embarrassed to be an American.  It really is humiliating.  As far as I'm concerned, the radicals now dominating the Republican party are the real traitors to America.  No one has done so much damage to our economy and our standing in the world.  We have only begun to feel the injuries received!


Yes, and it will take decades to undo the damage, both here at home and throughout the world, especially in Iraq.

Thank you so much!

I really want non-Americans to know that many of us do not share the same ideology as our president does. We think that this is an unjust (and unnecessary) war that was created to forgo the necessary war against those who truly hurt us.

Tanya

I've certainly got the feeling from this and other forums I'm around that there is a huge amount of opposition to what the current US administration is doing, which is by and large much more cogently argued, too ;)

I've also been asked on several occasions "why do you hate America so much" - simple answer is, I don't hate America; I certainly don't hate Americans - but I dislike to a very great extent what Bush & co are doing to the world outside the US (I don't really know enough about what goes on *inside*) - these articles do a rather good job of expressing the annoyance I have with their foreign policy.  But then, they should: these guys are paid to communicate :)

I'm having trouble opening that link.Same here.......but I can just about imagine the "gist" of it and want to thank Phil for lending a view from "across the pond". I'm 48 years old and this is the second time*  in my life that I feel I have to "apoligize" to people from other countries for the actions of our "leaders". It's good to know that Phil and other citizens of our global neighbors know that not all Americans share the views and back the policy of this administration.

*The Viet Nam era being the first.

CNN reported today that as many as 3/4 of the people polled (mostly in Europe) favor Kerry.


Sorry to break the news to you but they do give a vote and most Americans (even Kerry supporters) probably don't give a sh** what they have to say.  They elect who they want, we elect who we want.  Bush is edging Kerry in the polls and I can only wait to see how some of you act on election night.

As we've gone through before, over here we are fully aware that we don't get a vote, and we are also aware that a large number of Americans don't give a sheesh about what the rest of the world thinks.  But I find it heartening to know that there are a large number of Americans who *do* care about what the rest of the world thinks of America.  I can only hope that they're in the majority come polling time.

Thanks for posting that Phil.  I wish I could express my views as eloquently.

I will post the content of the article because I feel it is a very important contribution - Thank you, Phil for this thread. I am so very glad that it is well understood abroad that most of America, most of the United States feels the very same way.

Dear Clark County voter, Give us back the America we loved. Yours sincerely, John Le Carré

Three prominent Britons hit the campaign trail

Wednesday October 13, 2004

The Guardian

John Le Carré

Maybe there's one good reason - just one - for re-electing George W Bush, and that's to force him to live with the consequences of his appalling actions, and answer for his own lies, rather than wish the job on a Democrat who will then get blamed for his predecessor's follies.
Probably no American president in all history has been so universally hated abroad as George W Bush: for his bullying unilateralism, his dismissal of international treaties, his reckless indifference to the aspirations of other nations and cultures, his contempt for institutions of world government, and above all for misusing the cause of anti-terrorism in order to unleash an illegal war - and now anarchy - upon a country that like too many others around the world was suffering under a hideous dictatorship, but had no hand in 9/11, no weapons of mass destruction, and no record of terrorism except as an ally of the US in a dirty war against Iran.

Is your president a great war leader because he allowed himself to be manipulated by a handful of deluded ideologues? Is Tony Blair a great war leader because he committed Britain's troops, foreign policy and domestic security to the same hare-brained adventure?

You are voting in November. We will vote next year. Yet the outcome in both countries will in large part depend on the same question: how long can the lies last now that the truth has finally been told? The Iraq war was planned long before 9/11. Osama provided the excuse. Iraq paid the price. American kids paid the price. British kids paid the price. Our politicians lied to us.

While Bush was waging his father's war at your expense, he was also ruining your country. He made your rich richer and your poor and unemployed more numerous. He robbed your war veterans of their due and reduced your children's access to education. And he deprived more Americans than ever before of healthcare. Now he's busy cooking the books, burying deficits and calling in contingency funds to fight a war that his advisers promised him he could light and put out like a candle.

Meanwhile, your Patriot Act has swept aside constitutional and civil liberties which took brave Americans 200 years to secure, and were once the envy of a world that now looks on in horror, not just at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, but at what you are doing to yourselves.

But please don't feel isolated from the Europe you twice saved. Give us back the America we loved, and your friends will be waiting for you. And here in Britain, for as long as we have Tony Blair singing the same lies as George Bush, your nightmares will be ours.

© David Cornwell 2004
• John Le Carré is a novelist.

Antonia Fraser

O duty

Why hast thou not the visage of a sweetie or a cutie ... ?

Why art thou so different from Venus?

And why do thou and I have so few interests in common between us?

These sentiments on the subject of duty, so brilliantly expressed by Ogden Nash, may well be yours, dear Unknown, when I, a national of another country, urge you to do your duty and vote in your coming presidential election. In fact, of course, we have all too many interests in common. When you vote - and please do vote by the way, even if you disagree with everything I am about to say - that vote will have as much effect on my future and the much longer future of my children and grandchildren, as it will on your own. For this is a crucial election, the most crucial, I believe, of my lifetime (and I first voted in 1955!).

First of all, if you back Kerry, you will be voting against a savage militaristic foreign policy of pre-emptive killing which has stained the great name of the US so hideously in recent times. A policy that Bush and his gang are set to continue - if they get the opportunity. I say "the great name" of the US because I believe that to be profoundly true. Although resolutely against the Iraq war, I remain equally resolutely philamerican, almost every movement towards liberty in the past having its roots or its refuge in the US.

As a wartime child, I am well aware of the benevolence of the American soldiers who came to our aid, the ones that filled the foreign graveyards where they lay, fallen because they had joined our war. Brought up in Oxford, I regarded these men as gods, generous gods. I shall never forget Hank, a composite of the very young American soldiers who regularly got my brother Thomas and me into the Ritz cinema to see movies such as Saboteur. In fact, Hank, in retrospect, looked rather like the Great Tom, my cinematic hero in Saving Private Ryan (so maybe Tom is Hank's boy; I like to think so). From the image of Hank to that of Abu Ghraib ...

Then there is the question of women's rights, and the possible repeal of legislation that has for a generation made all women equal before the law, not just the rich. Once again, this history of women's rights in America is long, strong and wonderful. As long ago as 1835, Alexis de Tocqueville, visiting America from France, discovered "the singular address and happy boldness" of its women, featured in Democracy in America. If you vote for Kerry, you will help to avert a move backwards towards women's suffering.

President Bush declared on Friday that, "History will decide". Dear Unknown, please be part of that history and restore your country to its greatness, both foreign and domestic.

• Antonia Fraser is a biographer and historian.

Richard Dawkins

Dear Americans,

Don't be so ashamed of your president: the majority of you didn't vote for him. If Bush is finally elected properly, that will be the time for Americans travelling abroad to simulate a Canadian accent. Please don't let it come to that. Vote against Bin Laden's dream candidate. Vote to send Bush packing.

Before 9/11 gave him his big break - the neo-cons' Pearl Harbor - Bush was written off as an amiable idiot, certain to serve only one term. An idiot he may be, but he is also sly, mendacious and vindictive; and the thuggish ideologues who surround him are dangerous. 9/11 gave America a free gift of goodwill, and it poured in from all around the world. Bush took it as a free gift to the warmongers of his party, a licence to attack an irrelevant country which, however nasty its dictator, had no connection with 9/11. The consequence is that all the worldwide goodwill has vanished. Bush's America is on the way to becoming a pariah state. And Bush's Iraq has become a beacon for terrorists.

In the service of his long-planned war (with its catastrophically unplanned aftermath), Bush not only lied about Iraq being the "enemy" who had attacked the twin towers. With the connivance of the toadying Tony Blair and the spineless Colin Powell, he lied to Congress and the world about weapons of mass destruction. He is now brazenly lying to the American electorate about how "well" things are going under the puppet government. By comparison with this cynical mendacity, the worst that can be said about John Kerry is that he sometimes changes his mind. Well, wouldn't you change your mind if you discovered that the major premise on which you had been persuaded to vote for war was a big fat lie?

Now that all other justifications for the war are known to be lies, the warmongers are thrown back on one, endlessly repeated: the world is a better place without Saddam. No doubt it is. But that's the Tony Martin school of foreign policy . It's not how civilised countries, who follow the rule of law, behave. The world would be a better place without George Bush, but that doesn't justify an assassination attempt. The proper way to get rid of that smirking gunslinger is to vote him out.

As the bumper stickers put it, "Re-defeat Bush". But, this time, do it so overwhelmingly that neither his brother's friends in Florida nor his father's friends on the Supreme Court will be able to rig the count. Decent Americans - there are absolutely more intelligent, educated, civilised, cultivated, compassionate people in America than in any other country in the western world - please show your electoral muscle this time around. We in the rest of the world, who sadly cannot vote in the one election that really affects our future, are depending on you. Please don't let us down.

• Richard Dawkins is professor of the public understanding of science at Oxford University. More letters to Clark County will be appearing in G2 over the next fortnight.

I'm reposting the link in hopes that it works for those of you having a little trouble; and then just for verification purposes, since I posted the entire thing:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1326066,00.html