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"Patriot Act II

Final Piece of Police State Puzzle Ready
By John Tiffany

The Bush administration’s allies in Congress, led by J. Dennis Hastert of Illinois, the speaker of the House, have launched another assault on constitutionally protected civil liberties with a bill many are calling Patriot Act II (PA II). However, it is not to be confused with the 2003 version of Patriot Act II. But according to the Associated Press, in a draft of the House GOP legislation, many of the provisions are similar to the draft copy of the “Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003” that leaked out of the Justice Department in January 2003.

Many Democrats and civil libertarians charge the new PA II authorizes heavy-handed infringements on civil liberties. House Democratic leaders and civil liberties advocates said on Sept. 22 that the Republican bill ostensibly responding to the findings of the 9-11 commission would go well beyond the panel’s recommendations. It would call for broad new powers for law enforcement agencies, they said, and would include new authority to conduct electronic surveillance in terrorism investigations.

Among the provisions, said AP, are measures on the deportation of aliens who are suspected of being linked to foreign revolutionary groups which have been labeled as terrorists, mandatory pretrial detention for terrorism suspects, warrants against non-citizens even when a target can’t be tied to a foreign power and enhanced penalties for threats or attempts to use chemical or nuclear weapons.

John Feehery is a spokesman for Hastert. Feehery told AP that criticism of the bill was unwarranted as of the evening of Sept. 22, because the legislation was still not in final form and was not ready for release to the public. A spokesman for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) agreed on Sept. 22 that House members were still working on a final version of the legislation.

But critics warn that the proposed law is aimed against the entire U.S. population, not a minority of Arab immigrants.

The proposal, they say, would grant the government the power to strip citizenship of native-born Americans and deport them without any evidence of wrongdoing, even though this would be contrary to the Constitution.

It would also allow for secret arrests, secret trials and secret torturing of “suspects.” Habeas corpus, Americans’ most sacred right, would be eliminated.

The law would also remove all restrictions on police spying on citizens.

Patriot Act II would create 15 new death penalties, one of which could be applied to acts of protest. Under the Hastert measure’s definitions, anti-war protesters could be deemed terrorists. In fact, any dissident could be spied on, harassed, and imprisoned indefinitely for exercising their legal and constitutionally protected rights.

This legislation would give the government the same power that Stalin and Julius Caesar gave themselves, said one detractor.

While terrorism certainly is a threat that must be addressed, curtailing the civil liberties of innocent Americans is by no means a way of doing so.

AFP readers will recall that the first so-called Patriot Act was passed without the members of Congress being allowed to view the draft of the bill. Those who wanted it to be read and debated were told to vote for it or they would be blamed for the next terrorist outrage. It passed overwhelmingly.

Many experts fear similar tactics will be used to pass PA II, keeping the public ignorant of the proposed law’s existence until it is too late."



I'm speechless.

Amerika Uber Alles, eh guys?

This is nuts....this isn't just nuts, it's Nazi.

Bush must be stopped.

Join the Resistance!  Vote Kerry!

Amerika Uber Alles, eh guys?

This is nuts....this isn't just nuts, it's Nazi.

Bush must be stopped.

Join the Resistance!  Vote Kerry!



Yes, I hope Kerry wins more than ever.

If Bush wins, and this law goes into action, I think after my 18th birthday I will seek political asylum in Canada or Britain. Because according to the law, you could be incarcerated indefinitely for protesting, which I am sure is political persecution under international law.

AmeriKKKa is going F-A-S-C-I-S-T!!!

All citizens who vote for Bush are endorsing a fascist state.  Remember, the way fascism succeeds is through broad populist support based on the scapegoating of groups deemed "enemies of the people."  In this case, terrorists, Muslims, the French, and liberals.

Here is the tragedy for fascist supporters:  guys like GWBush2004 always see the incipient totalitarian regime as beneficial to them for the regime will smite the enemies of the chosen people, redeem the culture from degenerate influences, and restore the nation to greatness.  Whether the state was Nazi Germany, fascist Italy or Spain, Bolshevik Russia, or Maoist China, the GWBush2004's of every dictatorship find the organs of the state grabbing for THEM!  They never saw it coming.  They always thought they were the good guys.  They never faltered in their support for the regime.  Yet they find their front door kicked open in the middle of the night and themselves hauled away by the Gestapo.  
Why, oh, why?  Maybe their in-laws were caught up in sedition, maybe they unintentionally showed  disloyalty, maybe their neighbor held a grudge and finked on bogus charges, maybe their employer was providing service to an enemy state.  Anyway the 2:00 a.m. raid happens, they never saw it coming.
As loyal Soviet citizens used to say as they were imprisoned in the bowels of the Kremlin, "If only Comrade Stalin knew about this..."
So, Mr. and Mrs. America, vote for your bold leader, strong and resolute!  Vote to "win the war on terror"!  But keep watch what you say, watch what you do, and choose carefully those with whom you associate...and sleep with one eye open, so to speak!

This is VERY scary. I can't for the life of me understand why people DON'T SEE this. Bush is really making a mockery out of the Constitution. The Constitution is what holds this country together and without the Constitution-we don't have a nation-we have a dictatorship.





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Amerika Uber Alles, eh guys?

This is nuts....this isn't just nuts, it's Nazi.

Bush must be stopped.

Join the Resistance!  Vote Kerry!

 
If Bush is even half as bad as you PRETEND he is, something like losing the election isn't going to stop him, is it?  Let me guess, he'll use the military and take over America and we'll all be his slaves and be forced to do his bidding?

Sounds very paranoid....

There's no way to know whether he will or not, GWB.

But you avoided the question at hand.

Do you support this bill? It allows secret arrests, detentions, and trials, it allows anti-war protestors in certain cases to be charged with terrorism, it allows you to possibly receive the death sentence under this new definition of 'terrorism', the government can strip you of your citizenship and deport you, and law enforcement will have little if any new restraints if it is passed.

There's no way to know whether he will or not, GWB.

But you avoided the question at hand.

Do you support this bill? It allows secret arrests, detentions, and trials, it allows anti-war protestors in certain cases to be charged with terrorism, it allows you to possibly receive the death sentence under this new definition of 'terrorism', the government can strip you of your citizenship and deport you, and law enforcement will have little if any new restraints if it is passed.




No i'm not a supporter of that.  But just like with the Patriot Act, I will until somebody actually comes out and says they were violated because of it (and by the way, O'Reilly is still looking for a person who will claim to have been mistreated under The Patriot Act, so give him a call.)  If you really believe it will effect you, you're crazy, I'm willing to bet no one here ever feels any negative effect from it. 

Again, I don't support it.  But I don't support President Bush's immigration policy either, but look at all the positives he has.  President Bush is a great president, and he will be going no where until 2009.

Bush has to many positives, and Monsieur Kerry has to many negatives for me to vote for Kerry.  Bush is the clear choice.

No i'm not a supporter of that. But just like with the Patriot Act, I will until somebody actually comes out and says they were violated because of it (and by the way, O'Reilly is still looking for a person who will claim to have been mistreated under The Patriot Act, so give him a call.) If you really believe it will effect you, you're crazy, I'm willing to bet no one here ever feels any negative effect from it.

Again, I don't support it. But I don't support President Bush's immigration policy either, but look at all the positives he has. President Bush is a great president, and he will be going no where until 2009.

Bush has to many positives, and Monsieur Kerry has to many negatives for me to vote for Kerry. Bush is the clear choice.



I can respect that, I feel the same way except I feel Kerry is the lesser of two evils.

However, it doesn't matter whether or not these abuses have happened in a widespread manner or anything, what matters is that as a law it gives them this kind of power. Would you give up your 1st ammendment rights legally if you didn't think the government would ever call you on it?

It's the principle that matters. And I am not entirely convicned there haven't been abuses under the Patriot Act. The government is not all benevolent, especially the Justice Department, in my book. Look at their track record of handling these types of special powers.

Anyway, why do you feel a need for all of the French remarks? It comes across as prejudice, and it cuts down any sensible points you might make. Like I said before, it's very low brow. I can't believe you as an adult of your age cannot see the immaturity of it, while I as someone nearly 30 years younger can easily recognize these kinds of remarks for their asinine nature. Instead of continuing over and over again to use childish taunts, like calling Kerry french-looking, actually write out an essay on the ISSUES and how you disagree with him on them. And I want you to do this from a PERSONAL point of view, independent of any talking points from the Conservative media( ;) ).

Threads talking about the man's skin color, and showing pictures of him getting hit in the head with a soccer ball make you come across as being at the same level as the other teenagers in my government class who's best political argument is 'Democrats are g@y'. So please, prove yourself to be a capable of a well thought-out, non talking point argument, free of childish taunts.

Choice is yours: Redeem yourself as an intellectual thinking adult, or re-inforce our image of you as a childish, group-thinking pedestrian.

Ball in your court, as they say.  :)

Anyway, why do you feel a need for all of the French remarks? It comes across as prejudice, and it cuts down any sensible points you might make. Like I said before, it's very low brow. I can't believe you as an adult of your age cannot see the immaturity of it, while I as someone nearly 30 years younger can easily recognize these kinds of remarks for their asinine nature. Instead of continuing over and over again to use childish taunts, like calling Kerry french-looking, actually write out an essay on the ISSUES and how you disagree with him on them. And I want you to do this from a PERSONAL point of view, independent of any talking points from the Conservative media( ;) ).

Threads talking about the man's skin color, and showing pictures of him getting hit in the head with a soccer ball make you come across as being at the same level as the other teenagers in my government class who's best political argument is 'Democrats are g@y'. So please, prove yourself to be a capable of a well thought-out, non talking point argument, free of childish taunts.

Choice is yours: Redeem yourself as an intellectual thinking adult, or re-inforce our image of you as a childish, group-thinking pedestrian.

Ball in your court, as they say.  :)


First lets start off with the French thing.  Personally I thought it was funny, and I thought liberals were the ones with the sense of humor even with ''exciting'' candidates like: Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry.  The french thing shouldn't even be a big deal, especially with all the people (and some people here have done it) who say Bush looks like monkey.  So monkey good, french bad.  Its a double-standard, but I will cease, and change my avatar.

The threads with the soccor ball and ''agent orange Kerry'' were suppose to be funny.  Kind of like the picture posted (and it wasn't an article) with the women getting her hair pulled at a Bush-Cheney rally in Pennsylvania.  If everyone here wants to talk straight politics, and never get one bit off-topic, I have no problem at all with that, but I think its fun to have something humorus once and a while.

Anyway...I'm still looking for a pro-Kerry person, not an anti-Bush.  You could fit all of Kerry's passionate supporters into a Hummer.  They amount to an Army of One: the ''one'' being Senator Kerry.  How many Kerry-for-President bumper stickers have you seen, hmmm?  I thought so.

And finally I think Mark Steyn, writer for The Sunday Telegraph put it best when he wrote:  ''Democrats decided that Kerry was more 'electable.'  Which he is, next to Howard Dean, in the same way that, if Saddam Hussein and Robert Mugabe entered the Iowa caucuses, Farmer Bob would be Mister Electable.''