Yeah, so... If you're wondering about something and you doubt anybody has the answer to it, post your wonderings here. And, well, if anybody does know the answer, feel free to answer, I guess.

So I've been wondering how many people have existed that nobody has any knowledge of now. Don't you ever wonder about how long you'll be remembered until your memory is nonexistent? It's weird to think about.

.

So I've been wondering how many people have existed that nobody has any knowledge of now. Don't you ever wonder about how long you'll be remembered until your memory is nonexistent? It's weird to think about.



Take a walk through a graveyard and see the unattended graves, then quadrazillion(my own word) it maybe. I also wonder how many people are remembered more for their ability to afford a certain amount of fame.  I live in the Boston area and know that a lot of people in the arts from this area gained fame because of familial connections, whereas I am supposing there are many who were just as good, if not better, who were not able to gain fame because they remained largely unknown.  Last year the curator of the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, Malcolm Rogers, had an exhibit of "folk art" by people who haven't gained fame, but works were submitted and found to be very good.  He did it because he feels that there are great works being done everyday by artists who are unrecognized.  He is my hero.

What's in the ingredients of Humble Pie? ???

What's in the ingredients of Humble Pie? ???


A mouthful of sorry

How would someone bite the nose despite the face? ???

How would someone bite the nose despite the face? ???


Actually it is "bite off your nose to spite your face"

Actually it is "bite off your nose to spite your face"



What's the meaning of that Danoota? ???

What's the meaning of that Danoota? ???


To bite off one's nose to spite one's face is to do something that's ultimately self-defeating in order to deny (an often erroneously-perceived) adversary a temporary victory.

Literal example:  "I don't like the way I look!  Must be my nose, yeah, that's it, my  nose!  Never mind the scalpel, I'll use my teeth to fix my big nose right here and right now!  *chomp* *ouch* *chomp*  Take that, face!  Now who's boss?"  (Yep, you sure taught your face a lesson...)

Comic strip example:  Charlie Brown is building a sand castle.  Lucy is walking by, minding her own business.  Charlie notices Lucy, and  thinks she's about to knock over his sand castle.  Charlie jumps up, screams "Hah!  Beat you to it!", and kicks over his own sand castle.  Lucy shrugs in bewilderment (she hadn't even noticed Charlie, and wouldn't have bothered kicking down his sand castle even if she had noticed him) and goes on her merry way.  (Yep, you sure taught her a lesson.)

Economic example:  The bank is about to foreclose on your house.  You can either turn over the keys, or burn the place to the ground.  You burn the place to ash and salt the earth -- and as you await trial for arson, the Warden hands you a letter from your bank offering you a 30-day extension on your house payment.  (Yep, you sure showed the bank who's boss!)

Edit:  And of course, Wikipedia beats me to the punch, with an entry that refers the story that describes the origin of the term some 1000 years ago. 

is there life after death? is there life on other planets?

What is nothing?

What is nothing?


... Nothing.

... Nothing.


nothing from nothing is nothing.

is there life after death? is there life on other planets?



Life after death?  Haven't a clue.  Neither does anyone else.  Gonna make the safe assumption and say "probably not".

Life on other planets?  Probably; it's a big universe, but whether or not it's close enough for us to be able to communicate with it, and whether it's smart enough to communicate with anything, is still completely unknown. 

Unlike the life-after-death question, the life-on-other-planets question will probably be answered to within a certain probability and a certain distance within the next century.

... Nothing.


but can nothing be defined?  Describe it?

but can nothing be defined?  Describe it?
sartre says you're supposed to close your eyes, turn your head to one side and imagine blackness, and then you quickly turn your head to the other side and you might glimpse nothingness.

Why is it so?

Why is it so?


Or as the Moody Blues once asked in a GREAT song 'Why How is it we are here' ......... on the

'Question of balance album'....

"Who knows" ...... (spoken in a guttaral Spanish/South American accent  ;D ).

However, I noticed you seem to be online ... or at least whilst I'm currently typing this ....

So 'Fussetc;' ... well done on setting up one of the most popular threads on this site

........... one that I've very often posted into over the last 15 months ...
Bakers Dozen.

'Good on ya!'

:)

However, I noticed you seem to be online ... or at least whilst I'm currently typing this ....

So 'Fussetc;' ... well done on setting up one of the most popular threads on this site

........... one that I've very often posted into over the last 15 months ...
Bakers Dozen.

'Good on ya!'

:)

Merci  ;) 

I think I may have written in the first post of that thread that it was by no means an original idea (I got it from a site that is now defunct) but it certainly does seem to have a life of it's own  :) :)

And now, where I am, it's after midnight, so, adieu !

sartre says you're supposed to close your eyes, turn your head to one side and imagine blackness, and then you quickly turn your head to the other side and you might glimpse nothingness.


Tried it.  It didn't work.  Sartre was really keen on coming up with cool stuff.  Me thinks I should read the book Being and Nothingness. :)

Tried it.  It didn't work.  Sartre was really keen on coming up with cool stuff.  Me thinks I should read the book Being and Nothingness. :)
supposed to be one of the most difficult books ever written. i got as far as no exit and nausea, both good stuff.

i think "being and nothingness" is the book that that guy tries to use to impress roxanne in the classic 80s steve martin movie of the same name.

supposed to be one of the most difficult books ever written. i got as far as no exit and nausea, both good stuff.

i think "being and nothingness" is the book that that guy tries to use to impress roxanne in the classic 80s steve martin movie of the same name.


I think you have to be in a certain mind set to read it.

That book would impress any chick. :)

What about "eat those words"? ???

but can nothing be defined?  Describe it?


Lack of something.


Massless?

Why do TV shows say "Viewer discretion advised" when they mean "Parental supervision advised?"

If you had a TV show, wouldn't you want people to view it?

Lack of something.


Massless?


Perhaps.  But there are some cases where someone obeserves something, but to another person it would be defined as nothing.

Emotions are massless.  What about feelings of nothingness?

What about "king for a day"?

How is it we are here
On this path we walk?
In this world of pointless fear
Filled with empty talk

Descending from the apes
As scientist-priests all think
Will they save us in the end?
We're trembling on the brink

Men's mighty mine-machines
Digging in the ground
Stealing rare minerals
Where they can be found
Concrete caves with iron doors
Bury it again
While a starving, frightened world
Fills the sea with grain




^ those are a few of the lyrics off of the 'Moody Blues' 1970 album 'A question of balance'. For any of the younger school who are looking for great bands from their parents time, ... this band had 7 GREAT albums from 'Days of Future Passed' thru to 'Seventh Sojourn'. My own personal favourite is 'To our Children's Childrens' Children' .............. 'Cosmic'!  8) 8) 8)

Anyhow, for me (someone born in Britain) ... this band was at another (advanced)  level to 'The Beatles'!

Yes, I HAVE to agree with my good friend, 'DoctorFate's' verdict there. ^ (How couldn't I  :D ;D :D ) ...

Anyway, they had such 'Cool' album covers. Just 2 of those mentioned:

http://www.webwriter.f2s.com/moody/lyrics/images/aqobcover.jpg


http://a6.vox.com/6a00cdf3ac0c23cb8f00cdf3ac4ccecb8f-320pi
^ Possibly/ probably my favourite album of all time!  :) 8)


Oh, heck ... can't resist adding this third one, which I actually paid a guy to paint onto a sweatshirt for me back in the mid 80's as I rated it so highly (picture wise)...







http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/12453.jpg

Perhaps.  But there are some cases where someone obeserves something, but to another person it would be defined as nothing.

Emotions are massless.  What about feelings of nothingness?


Well, if it can be observed, then it is not nothing. Nothingness is void.

Well, if it can be observed, then it is not nothing. Nothingness is void.


So what you're saying is nothing and nothingness are description and not an object.

So what you're saying is nothing and nothingness are description and not an object.



nothing from nothing leads to nothing.

I have nothing ...  to add!

Can sound exist, if there is no to here it?

Can sound exist, if there is no to here it?


Did somebody say something? ^  ??? ;D

So what you're saying is nothing and nothingness are description and not an object.


Nothing can not be an object, because any object would be something.

Can sound exist, if there is no to here it?


A brain has to be around to percept the waves in order for it to be a sound. Otherwise, they're just vibrations.

Nothing can not be an object, because any object would be something.


Right, but isn't a void and object at times?

Right, but isn't a void and object at times?


That ^  question's a bit too complex for me ... one i'd evade .... 'a-VOID' answering!  :P :P :D

Right, but isn't a void and object at times?


No, a void is nothingness and has no mass, thus it isn't an object.

Nothing can not be an object, because any object would be something.



And what would that something be? Nothing! ;D

Why do people keep harping on / making a fuss about nothing?

Seems like you've got nothing better to do.  :P :P ;D

And what would that something be? Nothing! ;D


Noooo. Something can't be nothing.

^ Sounds like they're  trying to make something out out of nothing

http://www.ntsh.co.uk/

Nothing To See Here^.

Noooo. Something can't be nothing.


Something is something but nothing is nothing. ;D

Something is something but nothing is nothing. ;D


Yes, and anything is anything (do I get the nobel prize for brilliance?) lol

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me

I'm not tryin' to be your hero
'Cause that zero is too cold for me, Brrr
I'm not tryin' to be your highness
'Cause that minus is too low to see, yeah

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
And I'm not stuffin', believe you me
Don't you remember I told ya
I'm a soldier in the war on poverty, yeah
Yes, I am

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me

You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me
You gotta bring me somethin' girl, if you wanna be with me

'Cause nothin' from nothin', leaves a nothin'
You got to have somethin' if you want to be with me

Yes, and anything is anything (do I get the nobel prize for brilliance?) lol


Did you know that anything is something? Oh, obviousness has never been moreso ignored!

Did you know that anything is something? Oh, obviousness has never been moreso ignored!



You Are Nothing.

You Are Nothing.


No, I am something.

See, someone's ideal of nothing could be someone else's something. :)

No, I am something.



You are something out of nothing.

You are something out of nothing.


Every something was once nothing, no?

You are something out of nothing.
i am woman, hear me roar.

i am woman, hear me roar.




meow

See, someone's ideal of nothing could be someone else's something. :)


Well, the global ideal of nothing wouldn't be anybody's something. Oh, such a big concept!

Why did property taxes increase?

(The Answer is already there)  :D :P

Why did property taxes increase?

(The Answer is already there)  :D :P


Because minimum wage is going up, Man!

Because minimum wage is going up, Man!


They went up in Indiana before that has yet to even happen. ::)

They went up in Indiana before that has yet to even happened. ::)


It's coming soon. Be patient!

It's coming soon. Be patient!


Of course, Indiana has a messed tax system anyway.

Of course, Indiana has a messed tax system anyway.


Of course, your equivilant to our 850,000 dollar houses are ones that cost 100,000 dollars.

Of course, your equivilant to our 850,000 dollar houses are ones that cost 100,000 dollars.


Actually, there are plenty that cost way more than 100 grand in Indiana. The problem is that the state's been a mess for awhile pricing wise and in regards to what constitutes as priorities.

Dumb logic, Indiana has enough money to build a new football stadium for The Colts, but doesn't have enough money for crime prevention and schools. Daylight Savings Time gets reinstated to "improve business"(i.e. Golf course business and gives business men more time to play golf, that's the only benefit). Indiana didn't need DST back in, most of the state is in the Eastern time zone. On the longest day, the sun now sets around 10 pm.

Property taxes go up an average of 69%, with businesses getting the better end of the deal(some didn't even have an increase at all). So while housing costs less in Indiana, most people don't make as much here either. Some that were retired had to start working again to be able to pay the taxes. It's bad enough Indiana is also a red state.

(I rent instead of own, but I'm not safe from the taxes either, my rent will go up soon)

Well, the global ideal of nothing wouldn't be anybody's something. Oh, such a big concept!
slavoj sez: "The object of drive is not related to the Thing as a filler of its void: drive is literally a countermovement to desire, it does not strive toward impossible fullness and, being forced to renounce it, gets stuck onto a partial object as its remainder -- drive is quite literally the very "drive" to break the All of continuity in which we are embedded, to introduce a radical imbalance into it, and the difference between drive and desire is precisely that, in desire, this cut, this fixation on a partial object, is as it were "transcendentalized," transposed into a stand-in for the Void of the Thing."

there. glad to help.

Well, the global ideal of nothing wouldn't be anybody's something. Oh, such a big concept!


Wow I wonder if that concept has ever been tested?  It boggles the mind.

slavoj sez: "The object of drive is not related to the Thing as a filler of its void: drive is literally a countermovement to desire, it does not strive toward impossible fullness and, being forced to renounce it, gets stuck onto a partial object as its remainder -- drive is quite literally the very "drive" to break the All of continuity in which we are embedded, to introduce a radical imbalance into it, and the difference between drive and desire is precisely that, in desire, this cut, this fixation on a partial object, is as it were "transcendentalized," transposed into a stand-in for the Void of the Thing."

there. glad to help.


Great, but what about nothing?

Every something was once nothing, no?


It was something but not nothing. ;D

What good's going through life skinny if you can't have ice cream?

Why, if my music collection is as varied as I thought it was, does everyone I've shown it to hate it?

Is my music collection varied at all?

Why have I only met one person who likes Phil Collins?

Why, if my music collection is as varied as I thought it was, does everyone I've shown it to hate it?

Is my music collection varied at all?

Why have I only met one person who likes Phil Collins?


Hey, I like Tally Hall.

It's a little varied, but it's all very poppy at heart.

Because Phil Collins is, well, sucky. Sorry.

Why have I only met one person who likes Phil Collins?


^ Was that his mother?  :D ;)

Great, but what about nothing?
at first you think the nothing is a mystery that you have to solve, but then you realize that your investigation of the nothingness is itself the mystery that you must solve, that the path you trace around the central void to investigate it is in fact the void itself, that your investigations define the void even as they reinscribe its mystery.

at first you think the nothing is a mystery that you have to solve, but then you realize that your investigation of the nothingness is itself the mystery that you must solve, that the path you trace around the central void to investigate it is in fact the void itself, that your investigations define the void even as they reinscribe its mystery.


Ah, yes, it is a void, but it's a concept. Any concept can't be nothing... Even the concept of nothing.

Ah, yes, it is a void, but it's a concept. Any concept can't be nothing... Even the concept of nothing.
well, nothing can't be nothing either, because if it were, it wouldn't be anything.

Of course, your equivilant to our 850,000 dollar houses are ones that cost 100,000 dollars.


In Hollywood maybe...  :P

Edit:

(I just thought of that for some reason)

well, nothing can't be nothing either, because if it were, it wouldn't be anything.


But nothing isn't anything! Only the concept is.

But nothing isn't anything! Only the concept is.
exactly. i think.

If Jimmy cracked corn,Would you care? ;D

If Jimmy cracked corn,Would you care? ;D


I wonder how many times he'll ask if we continue to ignore this question? Does this count as not ignoring it?

I wonder how many times he'll ask if we continue to ignore this question? Does this count as not ignoring it?
well, you're not acting like it doesn't exist, but you're not answering it, either.... does that count as ignoring it? i dunno. hmm, we need a ref over here.

well, you're not acting like it doesn't exist, but you're not answering it, either.... does that count as ignoring it? i dunno. hmm, we need a ref over here.


I call being the ref! Howard, that does count as ignoring it. ASK IT AGAIN!

If Jimmy cracked corn,Would you care? ;D
Which Jimmy is that, and what type of corn was it?

Which Jimmy is that, and what type of corn was it?


If the writer of the song doesn't care, why did he write a song about it?

Quote from: Howard on Today at 02:01:04 PM
If Jimmy cracked corn,Would you care?  ;D




Which Jimmy is that, and what type of corn was it?






Jimmy?  ???  Jimmy?  ??? ... who's this 'Jimmy'  >:(



This town site ain't big enough for the both of us!  >:( >:( >:(



By the way .... did you hear the joke about the foot?

No, ... I won't tell you that one ...  :-X




















It's too CORNy !
:P ;D :D

Hey Jimmy!  >:( >:( >:(






























Leave the corn 'cracking' to me!

:D ;D :D

Hello ... where's Jimmy?  ??? No sign of Jimmy!  :(






Apparently he 'don't care'  :\'( :\'(






Nobody cares!  :( :\'( :( :\'(









Actually, Jimmy 'do care' ....  :) 8)








but when he saw the corn I  come out with .. he just plain headed for the hills!
;D :D

"Hey, Jimmy! What's crackin'?


... Well, whatever, I don't care."

Wow, I'm turning into GreenLantern! Save me!

"Hey, Jimmy! What's crackin'?


... Well, whatever, I don't care."

Wow, I'm turning into GreenLantern! Save me!


Hey Jimmy! Which way'd you go? "Wait for me! I can't compete with this Meat!" ^  :( ;D

Was it popcorn?

Was it popcorn?


An instrumental  hit for 'hot butter' in 1972 ... their only uk entry ... reached no.5, 19 weeks on the charts.

An instrumental  hit for 'hot butter' in 1972 ... their only uk entry ... reached no.5, 19 weeks on the charts.
Did anyone care about that record?

Did anyone care about that record?


I thought it was ok. Good for popping your cheeks to!  ;D :D

I thought it was ok. Good for popping your cheeks to!  ;D :D
It cleared out the pub when it was played on the juke box back then.

It cleared out the pub when it was played on the juke box back then.


Well, that surprises me ...

Certainly it's chart placing / longevity  suggests SOMEBODY must have liked it!

.... and I suspect more than ONE 'somebody' 

;D

.... unless it was one of their mother's with a very large bank account ... who bought every copy in existence to make her son feel good!  :D

Quote from: DoctorFate on Today at 05:03:01 AM
I thought it was ok. Good for popping your cheeks to!  ;D :D



It cleared out the pub when it was played on the juke box back then.


Ah I think I know why. With all that free popcorn ... they then snuck it into the cinemas to watch a movie!  ;D

Quote from: DoctorFate on Today at 05:03:01 AM

Ah I think I know why. With all that free popcorn ... they then snuck it into the cinemas to watch a movie!  ;D
The pub I went to back then never sold popcorn.

The pub I went to back then never sold popcorn.


Still, at least they played it for you!

Still, at least they played it for you!
It was a juke box, it would a patron that would had put it on.

Which Jimmy is that, and what type of corn was it?


Jimmy Buffett?

If the writer of the song doesn't care, why did he write a song about it?


He didn't care.

He didn't care.
It may have been composed by a group of people not just one person.

It may have been composed by a group of people not just one person.


Who was this group of people?

Who was this group of people?
The group was Hot Butter

It may have been composed by a group of people not just one person.
...best known for their 1972 cover of the Moog synthpop instrumental "Popcorn", originally by Gershon Kingsley in 1969.

The group was Hot Butter


must've been a one hit wonder.

must've been a one hit wonder.
Their only hit from 1972

Their only hit from 1972


I think Howard was asking who wrote that Jimmy cracking corn song.

I think Howard was asking who wrote that Jimmy cracking corn song.
Oh!

"Blue Tail Fly", "De Blue Tail Fly", or "Jimmy Crack Corn" is a minstrel song, first performed in the United States in the 1840s.

I think Howard was asking who wrote that Jimmy cracking corn song.


I don't care. ;D

I don't care. ;D
Do we care?

Do we care?



Should You?

Do I care?

Looking down, am I aware?

What is this that is growing on my head that isn't hair?

What is this that is growing on my head that isn't hair?




The Fat Growth on Eric Hearble-by John Lennon

One fat morning Eric Hearble wake up with an abnorman fat growth a bombly on his head. 'Oh crumb,' said Eric Hearble, who was a very very, surprised. Anyway he carried on as Norman for why should he worried ? All of suddy he heard a small little voice calling him by name, 'Eric ... Eric Hearble ' it seemed to say though I couldn't say for sure.

That night the very same voice spoke saying 'Eric, I am a growth on your very head, help me, Eric.'

Soon Eric became very attached to his fat growth friend.

'Call me Scab,' the voice said and he was.

'Call me Eric,' Eric said naturly as he could. From then on you never saw Eric without the big fat scab growth on his head. And that's why Eric Hearble lost his job teaching spastics to dance.

'Were not having a cripple teaching our lads,' said Headmaster.

What is this that is growing on my head that isn't hair?



Before I answer that,  there's something about you that makes me think of that Carpenters song, 'Close to you'

'Why do birds, suddenly appear, every time, you are near?'


Ah, yes ... to return to your question: What is this that is growing on my head that isn't hair?


































http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1574/meatnestax6.jpg

A nest?  :D