What years do you think span the worlds of the specific decades?  This is broader than the typical stuff we associate with a decade's culture such as music, movies, and fashion.  I am talking about broader trends like how we live, what retail and restaurants are popular, how we consume media (VHS vs DVD vs Blu-Ray vs Streaming) etc.  For instance, I think the world of the '80s lasted until 1994ish before fading into a truly '90s world.  I think the best way to sum it up is this is whenever the last traces of a specific decade's zeitgeist dies.  '90s culture ended pretty quickly after the new millennium, but the world of the '90s lasted until 2006ish in my opinion.

Here is what I think.

World of the 1950s - Lasted until 1964
World of the 1960s - Lasted until 1973
World of the 1970s - Lasted until 1983
World of the 1980s - Lasted until 1994
World of the 1990s - Lasted until 2006
World of the 2000s - Lasted until 2016

What years do you think span the worlds of the specific decades?  This is broader than the typical stuff we associate with a decade's culture such as music, movies, and fashion.  I am talking about broader trends like how we live, what retail and restaurants are popular, how we consume media (VHS vs DVD vs Blu-Ray vs Streaming) etc.  For instance, I think the world of the '80s lasted until 1994ish before fading into a truly '90s world.  I think the best way to sum it up is this is whenever the last traces of a specific decade's zeitgeist dies.  '90s culture ended pretty quickly after the new millennium, but the world of the '90s lasted until 2006ish in my opinion.

Here is what I think.

World of the 1950s - Lasted until 1964
World of the 1960s - Lasted until 1973
World of the 1970s - Lasted until 1983
World of the 1980s - Lasted until 1994
World of the 1990s - Lasted until 2006
World of the 2000s - Lasted until 2016


Gonna have to disagree about 2016. I don't think it was part of the 2000s 'world'. It felt VERY different from the last decade, and i felt like last year was when things started feeling really different/futuristic lol. 2015 maybe.

Gonna have to disagree about 2016. I don't think it was part of the 2000s 'world'. It felt VERY different from the last decade, and i felt like last year was when things started feeling really different/futuristic lol. 2015 maybe.


Going back further...

World of the 19th century - Lasted until November 11, 1918
World of the 1920s - Lasted until December 5, 1933
World of the 1930s - Lasted until September 1, 1939
World of the 1940s - Lasted until Spring 1955
World of the 1950s - Lasted until Summer 1967
World of the 1960s - Lasted until April 30, 1975
World of the 1970s - Lasted until Spring 1983
World of the 1980s - Lasted until January 20, 1993
World of the 1990s - Lasted until September 11, 2001
World of the 2000s - Lasted until May 2, 2011

Going back further...

World of the 19th century - Lasted until November 11, 1918
World of the 1920s - Lasted until December 5, 1933
World of the 1930s - Lasted until September 1, 1939
World of the 1940s - Lasted until Spring 1955
World of the 1950s - Lasted until Summer 1967
World of the 1960s - Lasted until April 30, 1975
World of the 1970s - Lasted until Spring 1983
World of the 1980s - Lasted until January 20, 1993
World of the 1990s - Lasted until September 11, 2001
World of the 2000s - Lasted until May 2, 2011


What happened on November 11th 1918 and May 2nd 2011?

What happened on November 11th 1918 and May 2nd 2011?


End of world war I...How could you not know that?

End of world war I...How could you not know that?


Well what about 2011?

Well what about 2011?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden


I think there are other things which had a bigger impact on culture which could have ended the 2000s.

What years do you think span the worlds of the specific decades?  This is broader than the typical stuff we associate with a decade's culture such as music, movies, and fashion.  I am talking about broader trends like how we live, what retail and restaurants are popular, how we consume media (VHS vs DVD vs Blu-Ray vs Streaming) etc.  For instance, I think the world of the '80s lasted until 1994ish before fading into a truly '90s world.  I think the best way to sum it up is this is whenever the last traces of a specific decade's zeitgeist dies.  '90s culture ended pretty quickly after the new millennium, but the world of the '90s lasted until 2006ish in my opinion.

Here is what I think.

World of the 1950s - Lasted until 1964
World of the 1960s - Lasted until 1973
World of the 1970s - Lasted until 1983
World of the 1980s - Lasted until 1994
World of the 1990s - Lasted until 2006
World of the 2000s - Lasted until 2016

I'd say the world of the 2000s lasted until 2013 at the ABSOLUTE latest. From 2014 onwards, social media, smartphones, hashtags, alt-right/SJW-oriented politics, and "post-ironic" crap were simply inescapable.

If you wanted you could argue the world of the 50s lasted until 1966, because it wasn't until the summer of love in 1967 that the counterculture, hippies, and psychedelia were fully inescapable.

I'd say the world of the 2000s lasted until 2013 at the ABSOLUTE latest. From 2014 onwards, social media, smartphones, hashtags, alt-right/SJW-oriented politics, and "post-ironic" crap were simply inescapable.

If you wanted you could argue the world of the 50s lasted until 1966, because it wasn't until the summer of love in 1967 that the counterculture, hippies, and psychedelia were fully inescapable.


Yup. I agree with 2013 being the end. April 2013 was when smartphone sales surpassed feature phones. That seems to be a rather obvious thing to end the 00's with.

I'd say the world of the 2000s lasted until 2013 at the ABSOLUTE latest. From 2014 onwards, social media, smartphones, hashtags, alt-right/SJW-oriented politics, and "post-ironic" crap were simply inescapable.


Don't forget you also had the release of the 8th generation consoles.


If you wanted you could argue the world of the 50s lasted until 1966, because it wasn't until the summer of love in 1967 that the counterculture, hippies, and psychedelia were fully inescapable.


Agreed.

World of the 19th century - Lasted until November 11, 1918


Either that or June 28, 1914.

I'd say the world of the 2000s lasted until 2013 at the ABSOLUTE latest. From 2014 onwards, social media, smartphones, hashtags, alt-right/SJW-oriented politics, and "post-ironic" crap were simply inescapable.


I would say if you really wanted to put a date on it, the world of the '00s died on February 26, 2012.  That was the date of the Trayvon Martin shooting, which arguably was where the current alt-right/SJW dichotomy in this country began.

I would say if you really wanted to put a date on it, the world of the '00s died on February 26, 2012.  That was the date of the Trayvon Martin shooting, which arguably was where the current alt-right/SJW dichotomy in this country began.

True but 2013 was probably the last time where you could still live like it was the 2000s. 2014+ was when smartphones and social media became much harder to escape.

I would say if you really wanted to put a date on it, the world of the '00s died on February 26, 2012.  That was the date of the Trayvon Martin shooting, which arguably was where the current alt-right/SJW dichotomy in this country began.


True but 2013 was probably the last time where you could still live like it was the 2000s. 2014+ was when smartphones and social media became much harder to escape.


Plus to add to both of you, 2013 not only was when 100% 10's trends began (smartphones being over 50% of popular use, launch of apps like SnapChat & Instagram, hipster fashion getting mainstream, mid 10's teen pop starting, 8th generation of consoles starting, etc.), but it also featured the controversial Trayvon Martin Verdict, which one could argue further exacerbated the current Alt Right/SJW Left Divide we live in today. BLM was formed in 2013 due to in part of the controversial trial and the tragic death of Trayvon Martin. Also lets not forget the Boston Marathon Bombings, The Edward Snowden Scandal, & The 2013 Government Shutdown which IMO further removed us from the political world of the 2000's, and into the political world of the 2010's, let alone pop culturally, and economically as well.

Plus to add to both of you, 2013 not only was when 100% 10's trends began (smartphones being over 50% of popular use, launch of apps like SnapChat & Instagram, hipster fashion getting mainstream, mid 10's teen pop starting, 8th generation of consoles starting, etc.), but it also featured the controversial Trayvon Martin Verdict, which one could argue further exacerbated the current Alt Right/SJW Left Divide we live in today. BLM was formed in 2013 due to in part of the controversial trial and the tragic death of Trayvon Martin. Also lets not forget the Boston Marathon Bombings, The Edward Snowden Scandal, & The 2013 Government Shutdown which IMO further removed us from the political world of the 2000's, and into the political world of the 2010's, let alone pop culturally, and economically as well.

True. Hmmm.... I used to think 2014 was the "big change" year but I might be leaning to 2013 now.

World of the 1940s - Lasted through early 1953, with the death of Stalin, end of the Korean War, conclusion of the Truman administration, and mainstream breakthrough of television.

World of the 1950s - Lasted through mid-1964, on the dawn of 60s television becoming fully established, 50s influences making their last real stand in mainstream popular music, and the greaser aesthetic being replaced by the Liverpool aesthetic.

World of the 1960s - Lasted through the beginning of 1973, with Vietnam ending, 60s television series having little to no leftover presence, popular music having fully fleshed out its earthier, funkier sound that set it apart from the driving, psychedelic styles of the late 60s; fashion being comfortably separated from 60s trends, the counterculture having lost its edge by totally evolving into mainstream culture, and political issues turning to Watergate and the Oil Crisis.

World of the 1970s - Lasted through early 1983, with the end of M*A*S*H, electric piano-driven Gen-Jones pop being common for the last time before everybody adopted the MTV sound, 80s cinema and television developing a real identity, and Reagan finally hitting his stride.

World of the 1980s - Lasted through early 1993, when Bush the Elder left office, real hair metal was mainstream for the very last time, Cheers ended, the original NES got fully buried underneath the 16-bit wars, and heavy profanity became standard in hip hop.

World of the 1990s - Lasted through September 10, 2001, by which point chirpy teen pop was becoming unpopular, DVD's were about to replace VHS as the preferred video format, the 6th generation of gaming was entering its peak, and the Internet was just about accepted as normal rather than just a hip new craze.

World of the 2000s - Lasted through 2011, the last year Blackberry phones and 4:3 SD online series were still fairly common, and also when Bin Laden was killed, the Iraq War ended, and traditional rock music was finally completely wiped off the mainstream charts.

Disagree with two of these points.


World of the 1950s - Lasted through mid-1964, on the dawn of 60s television becoming fully established, 50s influences making their last real stand in mainstream popular music, and the greaser aesthetic being replaced by the Liverpool aesthetic.


I'd say the world of the 50s lasted until mid-1965 when Vietnam began to escalate, the Watts riot erupted leading people to begin opposing civil rights activism, and when folk and hard rock entered the mainstream.


World of the 1960s - Lasted through the beginning of 1973, with Vietnam ending, 60s television series having little to no leftover presence, popular music having fully fleshed out its earthier, funkier sound that set it apart from the driving, psychedelic styles of the late 60s; fashion being comfortably separated from 60s trends, the counterculture having lost its edge by totally evolving into mainstream culture, and political issues turning to Watergate and the Oil Crisis.


Vietnam ended on April 30, 1975, not 1973.

Vietnam ended on April 30, 1975, not 1973.

True. However, U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War ended in 1973.

True. However, U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War ended in 1973.


True, but the topic of this thread is discussing when worlds of decades ended, not just from an American perspective.

True, but the topic of this thread is discussing when worlds of decades ended, not just from an American perspective.

If that is the case then...there would NEVER be a consensus. People look at decades through their own perspective and which country they are from heavily determines how they view decades. For example, the 1990s was a horrible decade for Rwanda but not the U.S.

True. However, U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War ended in 1973.


The US involvement in the Vietnam War did NOT end in 1973. It ended with the fall of Saigon on April 30, 1975 when the final US troops were evacuated in Operation Frequent Wind.

The US involvement in the Vietnam War did NOT end in 1973. It ended with the fall of Saigon on April 30, 1975 when the final US troops were evacuated in Operation Frequent Wind.

"involvement" = fighting. U.S. troops stopped fighting stopped in August 1973 and it took just under 2 years for the North Vietnamese to take over South Vietnam with the Fall of Saigon in April 1975.

"involvement" = fighting. U.S. troops stopped fighting stopped in August 1973 and it took just under 2 years for the North Vietnamese to take over South Vietnam with the Fall of Saigon in April 1975.


Right again, King man!  8) The Viet Cong really cheated us Southern Vietnamese folks (I'm Southern Vietnamese).

I think bchris was referring more to overall lifestyles, technology, day-to-day life, visual styles of stores, etc. when it comes to the "worlds" of the decades, less so political events. Otherwise he'd say the 90s world lasted until September 10, 2001 or March 19, 2003.

Right again, King man!  8) The Viet Cong really cheated us Southern Vietnamese folks (I'm Southern Vietnamese).

Awesome. Did your parents come here after the war?

I think bchris was referring more to overall lifestyles, technology, day-to-day life, visual styles of stores, etc. when it comes to the "worlds" of the decades, less so political events.
I agree 100%.

Awesome. Did your parents come here after the war?


Obviously, or I'd wouldn't be here, in the US of A today!  :(  :(  :(

If you mean right after the war, like in the 70's, then no. We didn't get to the USA until 1991.

I don't want to derail this thread too much. But they still hate the Communists to this day, and they're right for doing so.

Obviously, or I'd wouldn't be here, in the US of A today!  :(  :(  :(

If you mean right after the war, like in the 70's, then no. We didn't get to the USA until 1991.

I don't want to derail this thread too much. But they still hate the Communists to this day, and they're right for doing so.

Thanks for explaining and your parents have every right to still be mad.

BTW, I heard that 70% of Vietnamese people today were born AFTER 1975. That means that Vietnam has a young population and most people in Vietnam today weren't even alive during the war...that's insane :o.

I think bchris was referring more to overall lifestyles, technology, day-to-day life, visual styles of stores, etc. when it comes to the "worlds" of the decades, less so political events. Otherwise he'd say the 90s world lasted until September 10, 2001 or March 19, 2003.


Or that the world of the 50s lasted between any point from early-to-mid 1965 to summer 1967.

"Worlds" of decades, IMO:

1950s - '50s world ended in 1965.
1960s - '60s world ended in 1973.
1970s - '70s world ended in 1982.
1980s - '80s world ended in 1993.
1990s - '90s world ended in 2001.
2000s - '00s world ended in 2012.

"Worlds" of decades, IMO:

1950s - '50s world ended in 1965.
1960s - '60s world ended in 1973.
1970s - '70s world ended in 1982.
1980s - '80s world ended in 1993.
1990s - '90s world ended in 2001.
2000s - '00s world ended in 2012.

Apart from 9/11, what other reasoning do you have for the 90's world ending in 2001?

Apart from 9/11, what other reasoning do you have for the 90's world ending in 2001?


I would say '90s culture ended in 2001, but the full world of the '90s lasted as long as 2006.  It was just echoes by that point but it was still there.  I would say 2007 was the first pure, 100%, unadulterated '00s year and I've felt that way as far back as 2007.

I would say '90s culture ended in 2001, but the full world of the '90s lasted as long as 2006.  It was just echoes by that point but it was still there.  I would say 2007 was the first pure, 100%, unadulterated '00s year and I've felt that way as far back as 2007.


Maybe 2006, but I think the last year that still had a significant amount of 90's influences , late 90's at least is 2003.

Also, if you think the 90's world lasted till '06, when do you think the 00's world ended?

Apart from 9/11, what other reasoning do you have for the 90's world ending in 2001?

George W. Bush was President, War in Afghanistan started, fashion was different from the late '90s for the most part, the Dot-com bubble era of the Web was over, rap music from Atlanta and the rest of the South rose to the top of rap and music charts, late '90s boybands were on their last legs, etc.

Disagree with two of these points.

I'd say the world of the 50s lasted until mid-1965 when Vietnam began to escalate, the Watts riot erupted leading people to begin opposing civil rights activism, and when folk and hard rock entered the mainstream.

60s folk entered the mainstream in mid-late 1962 with Peter, Paul & Mary. Hard rock is subjective, but both the Kinks and the Rolling Stones were already huge in mid-1964.

Vietnam ended on April 30, 1975, not 1973.

Yeah, like others have noted, direct fighting in Vietnam ended in January 1973 with the Paris Peace Accords. Everything from then until the Fall of Saigon was about as much a war as November 1955 through 1963 was. There really wasn't any significant reason for hippies to protest the war anymore, since it was no longer the catastrophic mess that fueled 60s counterculture.

I would say '90s culture ended in 2001, but the full world of the '90s lasted as long as 2006.  It was just echoes by that point but it was still there.  I would say 2007 was the first pure, 100%, unadulterated '00s year and I've felt that way as far back as 2007.


I don't consider a year with the introduction of the iPhone, 7th-gen consoles exploding, Facebook and YouTube being serious forces, Netflix launching its streaming service, HD video starting to become popular, and certain shows like Mad Men, The Big Bang Theory, and Phones & Furb exploding as "pure, 100%, unadulterated '00s." I also really don't understand how any serious 90s influences could have lasted any further beyond early 2004 at the very latest. If the worlds of the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even 50s could all end within the first half of the subsequent decade, then why did the 90s and 2000s take so long to fully disappear?

George W. Bush was President, War in Afghanistan started, fashion was different from the late '90s for the most part, the Dot-com bubble era of the Web was over, rap music from Atlanta and the rest of the South rose to the top of rap and music charts, late '90s boybands were on their last legs, etc.


Those are all good points....

Hard rock is subjective, but both the Kinks and the Rolling Stones were already huge in mid-1964.


The Kinks never even managed to maintain that much mainstream success in the US as they were banned from touring in 1965, and I'm pretty sure most music historians acknowledge 1965 as being the year the Rolling Stones rose to mega-star success with "Satisfaction", which also began to popularize hard rock.


60s folk entered the mainstream in mid-late 1962 with Peter, Paul & Mary.


Read the second paragraph of this wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_rock

The Kinks never even managed to maintain that much mainstream success in the US as they were banned from touring in 1965, and I'm pretty sure most music historians acknowledge 1965 as being the year the Rolling Stones rose to mega-star success with "Satisfaction", which also began to popularize hard rock.

What? The Kinks had plenty of big hits in the United States. Plenty of Americans know "You Really Got Me," plus "All Day and All the Night," "Tired of Waiting for You," "A Well Respected Man," and plenty others. The Stones may be most famous for "Satisfaction," but before that, in 1964, they had "It's All Over Now," "Time Is On My Side," and "Tell Me (You're Coming Back)," the first of which was a top 10 hit while the other two still peaked within the top 30. They were certainly not nonentities in 1964 but rather a vital part of the British Invasion that expanded beyond the Beatles beginning in the summer of 1964, even if they weren't solidly in second place until 1965.

Read the second paragraph of this wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_rock


Well, 1965 was when folk rock got popular, but you still had plenty of straight-up folk during the first half of the 1960s. It may not have been amplified, but it still had strong 60s sensibilities and directly paved the way for later acts. Peter, Paul & Mary even had a monster hit at the very end of the 1960s with "Leaving on a Jet Plane." Before Bob Dylan released Bringing It All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited, he put out Freewheelin', The Times They Are a-Changin', and Another Side of Bob Dylan, all of which are highly iconic to the 1960s. Joan Baez also released some highly prolific material well before 1965. Even Simon & Garfunkel had their debut record in 1964.

What? The Kinks had plenty of big hits in the United States. Plenty of Americans know "You Really Got Me," plus "All Day and All the Night," "Tired of Waiting for You," "A Well Respected Man," and plenty others. The Stones may be most famous for "Satisfaction," but before that, in 1964, they had "It's All Over Now," "Time Is On My Side," and "Tell Me (You're Coming Back)," the first of which was a top 10 hit while the other two still peaked within the top 30. They were certainly not nonentities in 1964 but rather a vital part of the British Invasion that expanded beyond the Beatles beginning in the summer of 1964, even if they weren't solidly in second place until 1965.

Well, 1965 was when folk rock got popular, but you still had plenty of straight-up folk during the first half of the 1960s. It may not have been amplified, but it still had strong 60s sensibilities and directly paved the way for later acts. Peter, Paul & Mary even had a monster hit at the very end of the 1960s with "Leaving on a Jet Plane." Before Bob Dylan released Bringing It All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited, he put out Freewheelin', The Times They Are a-Changin', and Another Side of Bob Dylan, all of which are highly iconic to the 1960s. Joan Baez also released some highly prolific material well before 1965. Even Simon & Garfunkel had their debut record in 1964.


Above all, I don't see how 1964 and early-to-mid 1965 can't be considered part of the 50's echo when this marked the period before US involvement in Vietnam had been escalated.

World of the 1940s - Lasted through early 1953, with the death of Stalin, end of the Korean War, conclusion of the Truman administration, and mainstream breakthrough of television.

World of the 1950s - Lasted through mid-1964, on the dawn of 60s television becoming fully established, 50s influences making their last real stand in mainstream popular music, and the greaser aesthetic being replaced by the Liverpool aesthetic.

World of the 1960s - Lasted through the beginning of 1973, with Vietnam ending, 60s television series having little to no leftover presence, popular music having fully fleshed out its earthier, funkier sound that set it apart from the driving, psychedelic styles of the late 60s; fashion being comfortably separated from 60s trends, the counterculture having lost its edge by totally evolving into mainstream culture, and political issues turning to Watergate and the Oil Crisis.

World of the 1990s - Lasted through September 10, 2001, by which point chirpy teen pop was becoming unpopular, DVD's were about to replace VHS as the preferred video format, the 6th generation of gaming was entering its peak, and the Internet was just about accepted as normal rather than just a hip new craze.

World of the 2000s - Lasted through 2011, the last year Blackberry phones and 4:3 SD online series were still fairly common, and also when Bin Laden was killed, the Iraq War ended, and traditional rock music was finally completely wiped off the mainstream charts.


These are probably the only ones I disagree with. I'd probably extend the 60's upto about 75', with Vietnam officially ending that year. The 90's i'd expand till 2004 for countless reasons people have elaborated on in the past. The 00's as I've stated before would last till 2013 for reasons I laid out before

50's- up until 1965
60's- up until 1973
70's- up until 1982
80's- up until 1993
90's- up until 2001

50's- up until 1965
60's- up until 1973
70's- up until 1982
80's- up until 1993
90's- up until 2001

We have the same mind. I just beat you to it! :P 8)

We have the same mind. I just beat you to it! :P 8)


;D

Above all, I don't see how 1964 and early-to-mid 1965 can't be considered part of the 50's echo when this marked the period before US involvement in Vietnam had been escalated.


I see that more as the 60s not yet having hit their full stride, not so much the 50s still echoing into that period. It's the same reason I don't consider most of 1953 or 1954 part of the 40s echo, as the real links to the 1940s decade were basically all dead, even though the 50s hadn't fully established their identity until around late 1955. Even so, by 1964, the United States fully occupied Vietnam, having okayed the assassination of Dinh Diem under Kennedy and thus immediately facing direct adversity from the Viet Cong.


These are probably the only ones I disagree with. I'd probably extend the 60's upto about 75', with Vietnam officially ending that year.

But nobody really cared about Vietnam anymore after January 1973. There was no direct troop involvement, so there was no serious reason to passionately protest the war like there was in the late 60s and early 70s. If the world of the 60s lasted all the way until the fall of Saigon, then logically, it must have started in November 1955, the official beginning of the war, even though Americans weren't directly involved in the affair until the assassination of Dinh Diem 8 years later.

The 90's i'd expand till 2004 for countless reasons people have elaborated on in the past.

What reasons? The kid culture? Because other than Friends and Frasier, two of the biggest 90s shows ending that year, I don't catch your drift. I see 2004 really more as the definitive end of serious Y2K era influences, but since the Y2K era is really a mixture of 90s and 2000s, with the identifiably 90s stuff basically dying out around 9/11 (boyband/Britney teen pop, the Dot Com boom, 5th generation video games, etc.), I wouldn't consider much of anything from late 2001 through the first half of 2004 residual 90s culture.

The 00's as I've stated before would last till 2013 for reasons I laid out before


Again, what reasons? I made a pretty clear case as to why I consider 2011 the end of the 2000s world (2010s culture became dominant over 2000s culture at the very turn of 2010), so what specific things make the world of the 2000s still prevalent until 2013?

I see that more as the 60s not yet having hit their full stride, not so much the 50s still echoing into that period. It's the same reason I don't consider most of 1953 or 1954 part of the 40s echo, as the real links to the 1940s decade were basically all dead, even though the 50s hadn't fully established their identity until around late 1955. Even so, by 1964, the United States fully occupied Vietnam, having okayed the assassination of Dinh Diem under Kennedy and thus immediately facing direct adversity from the Viet Cong.


I'd say the 50's zeitgeist was already pretty well established by late 1954. Rock and roll was beginning to emerge with Bill Haley's "Shake, Rattle and Roll", doo-wop had reached the mainstream thanks to the Crew-Cut's "Sh-Boom" which spent 7 weeks at #1 on the billboard hot 100 in the summer of 1954, and Marlon Brando had popularized the greaser look starring in the movie "The Wild One".

DUWT likes to type posts, delete them and re-type them ;D.

DUWT likes to type posts, delete them and re-type them ;D.


It's because of Phillip Eno.

It's because of Phillip Eno.

What do you mean?

What do you mean?


He hogs up all of the decade sections bumping his threads every single day, and so it causes the other threads to roll down the board, so I re-post in them to keep them at the top.

He hogs up all of the decade sections bumping his threads every single day, and so it causes the other threads to roll down the board, so I re-post in them to keep them at the top.


Nice!

But nobody really cared about Vietnam anymore after January 1973. There was no direct troop involvement, so there was no serious reason to passionately protest the war like there was in the late 60s and early 70s. If the world of the 60s lasted all the way until the fall of Saigon, then logically, it must have started in November 1955, the official beginning of the war, even though Americans weren't directly involved in the affair until the assassination of Dinh Diem 8 years later.


Good points, I'm no expert on the 60's/70's so perhaps you're right.


What reasons? The kid culture? Because other than Friends and Frasier, two of the biggest 90s shows ending that year, I don't catch your drift. I see 2004 really more as the definitive end of serious Y2K era influences, but since the Y2K era is really a mixture of 90s and 2000s, with the identifiably 90s stuff basically dying out around 9/11 (boyband/Britney teen pop, the Dot Com boom, 5th generation video games, etc.), I wouldn't consider much of anything from late 2001 through the first half of 2004 residual 90s culture.


I think your focussing too much on the dominant cultural era of a period, rather than the actual day-to-day lifestyle of a period. While they seem to resemble similarities theres some differences. In the respect of my opinion, I think you could make the argument that 2004 was the last year to have any real connection to the 90's from a cultural, political, technological, and even economical perspective. Doesn't mean that the year was not predominately 2000's, in fact it was (as much as most years from 2003-2008). As mentioned prior, yes many key 90's shows ending 2004 is one good example. Think about it... what do all of these 'end of <insert decade> world' years have in common, they feature the end of prominent pop cultural icons, notably TV shows, despite the overall cultural era already moving past the prior decade's cultural zeitgeist. I'll give examples based on what you gave:

1983 (or round bouts) saw the end of iconic 70's TV shows like M*A*S*H, Chips, & Happy Days

1993 (or round bouts) saw the end of iconic 80's TV shows like  Cheers, The Cosby Show, & The Wonder Years

2004 (or round bouts) saw the end of iconic 90's tv shows like F*R*I*E*N*D*S, Frasier, & Buffy The Vampire Slayer

This was not to mention how 2004 was the last year when Y2K era pop culture was sort of relevant (I agree it was not neither core 90's nor core 00's, but it was as close to the 90's as you were ever going to get), Web 1.0/Dial up being the norm, CDs still having a clear majority of the music distribution market, CRTs (for the most part) being the sole way for most people to watch television, last year 5th generation had any (at best minor, but I digress) relevance & of course the end of the 'Gameboy' line for handhelds, before flip phones became the dominant cell phone style of function, AOL Chatrooms still being the dominant source of online communication, the last 100% pre YouTube year and FaceBook was only available at select colleges, among other examples.

Just to be clear, I'm not one of those, "The 90's didn't end till 2004!!!!!!" kind of people, but I do think that 2004 was the last year that had a tangible connection with the 1990s. The second term of Bush IMHO, was much more representative of what the 2000's were really about than his first term.


Again, what reasons? I made a pretty clear case as to why I consider 2011 the end of the 2000s world (2010s culture became dominant over 2000s culture at the very turn of 2010), so what specific things make the world of the 2000s still prevalent until 2013?

I already gave my reasons on the first page why I thought 2013 was the last to have any real connection to the 2000's ;D. However, as I've already elaborated, that doesn't mean I think 2013 was still predominately within 2000's culture, but rather the 2000's sociopolitical climate (I.E, the last year that The Great Recession had a real impact on most people, the economy started to rapidly improve 2014 onwards), along with culture from the 2000's having its last stand of relevance, before it became practically 100% 10's by Late 2013/2014.

We have the same mind. I just beat you to it! :P 8)


Well you both have the same MBTI (personality) type, remember. :P

Well you both have the same MBTI (personality) type, remember. :P

Yeah, I remember :D.

Good points, I'm no expert on the 60's/70's so perhaps you're right.


But here you said the 60's were your favorite decade of the 20th century.


1. 1960's

2. 1980's

3. 1990's

4. 1970's

5. 1950's

6. 1920's

7. 1930's

8. 1910's

9. 1900's

10. 1940's

But here you said the 60's were your favorite decade of the 20th century.


I guess what I meant was that because I didn't have much of a firsthand experience with the 60's, that it was harder for me discern where specifically the cultural transition of the 60's/70's were. However, I have a general understanding that the 'world of the 60's' lasted to about 1973 or 1975 depending on definition of where you end the Vietnam war.

Roughly...

60's - to '72
70's - to '83
80's - to '94
90's - to '03
00's - to '12

Roughly...

60's - to '72
70's - to '83
80's - to '94
90's - to '03
10's - to '12


Yup, I completely agree with this.

Except change 10's to 00's ;)

Now here's my opinion as to when worlds of decades begin;

World of the 20's - Began in January 1920
Begins with prohibition

World of the 30's - Began on October 6, 1927
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jazz_Singer

World of the 40's - Began in Summer 1937
Begins with Japanese invasion of China

World of the 50's - Began on March 5, 1946
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/churchill-delivers-iron-curtain-speech

World of the 60's - Began on October 5, 1962
http://kfmx.com/dr-no-love-me-do-the-beatles-and-james-bond/

World of the 70's - Began in January 1969
Begins with Nixon's inauguration and Led Zeppelin I

World of the 80's - Began in Mid-late 1979
Begins with the rise of new wave, disco demolition and soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

World of the 90's - Began throughout 1989
Bush 41 inauguration, ascent of rap and NJS, Berlin Wall falls down, Sega Genesis release

World of the 00's - Began in Spring 1997
Begins with end of grunge, commercial breakthrough of internet, ascent of teen pop, and death of Tupac

World of the 10's - Began in Autumn 2006
http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=52315.0

Now here's my opinion as to when worlds of decades begin;

World of the 20's - Began in January 1920
Begins with prohibition

World of the 30's - Began on October 6, 1927
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jazz_Singer

World of the 40's - Began in Summer 1937
Begins with Japanese invasion of China

World of the 50's - Began on March 5, 1946
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/churchill-delivers-iron-curtain-speech

World of the 60's - Began on October 5, 1962
http://kfmx.com/dr-no-love-me-do-the-beatles-and-james-bond/

World of the 70's - Began in January 1969
Begins with Nixon's inauguration and Led Zeppelin I

World of the 80's - Began in Mid-late 1979
Begins with the rise of new wave, disco demolition and soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

World of the 90's - Began throughout 1989
Bush 41 inauguration, ascent of rap and NJS, Berlin Wall falls down, Sega Genesis release

World of the 00's - Began in Spring 1997
Begins with end of grunge, commercial breakthrough of internet, ascent of teen pop, and death of Tupac

World of the 10's - Began in Autumn 2006
http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=52315.0

I disagree with pretty much the entirety of this list.

I disagree with pretty much the entirety of this list.


These are the preludes to decades, not the beginning of zeitgeists.

The world of the 10's started in the fall of 2008

These are the preludes to decades, not the beginning of zeitgeists.

Not what this thread is about.

Roughly...

60's - to '72
70's - to '83
80's - to '94
90's - to '03
10's - to '12


THIS.

Roughly...

60's - to '72
70's - to '83
80's - to '94
90's - to '03
10's - to '12


What about the 50's?

Yup, I completely agree with this.

Except change 10's to 00's ;)


Oh, thanks! Didn't even notice that! ;D


What about the 50's?


Don't know much about the 50's to really say.

Don't know much about the 50's to really say.


Is it just the decades since the 70's you focus on, or do you find interest in any of the earlier decades?

Is it just the decades since the 70's you focus on, or do you find interest in any of the earlier decades?


My greater focus would be 60's to early 00's; I don't tend to look into eariler decades unless I find something that really interests me.

What years do you think span the worlds of the specific decades?  This is broader than the typical stuff we associate with a decade's culture such as music, movies, and fashion.  I am talking about broader trends like how we live, what retail and restaurants are popular, how we consume media (VHS vs DVD vs Blu-Ray vs Streaming) etc.  For instance, I think the world of the '80s lasted until 1994ish before fading into a truly '90s world.  I think the best way to sum it up is this is whenever the last traces of a specific decade's zeitgeist dies.  '90s culture ended pretty quickly after the new millennium, but the world of the '90s lasted until 2006ish in my opinion.

Here is what I think.

World of the 1950s - Lasted until 1964
World of the 1960s - Lasted until 1973
World of the 1970s - Lasted until 1983
World of the 1980s - Lasted until 1994
World of the 1990s - Lasted until 2006
World of the 2000s - Lasted until 2016
BTW, what would you say would be the last hints of the '70s, '80s, and the '90s?

BTW, what would you say would be the last hints of the '70s, '80s, and the '90s?
Seriously though?

I'd actually divide each decade's world into five phases: The proper zeitelgeist, the echo (AKA the carryover into the next decade(s), the dork/pun "aka uncool" period, the nostalgic boom, and the legacy phase. The most recent decade to accomplish all five of these in a definitive matter is the 1970s, though some would argue that the 1980s are starting to approach this point.

So for example:

1950s
Zeitgeist: 1949-1960
Echo: 1961-1965
Dork/pun: 1966-1971
Nostalgic boom: 1972-1987
Legacy: 1988+

1960s
Zeitegeist: 1961-1971
Echo: 1972-1976
Dork/pun: 1977-1983
Nostalgic boom: 1984-1992
Legacy: 1993+

1970s
Zeitegist: 1972-1980
Echo: 1981-1982
Dork/pun: 1983-1992
Nostalgic boom: 1993-2003
Legacy: 2004+

1980s
Zeitegist: 1981-1990
Echo: 1991-1993
Dork/pun: 1994-2001
Nostalgic boom: 2002-c. 2015
Legacy: c.2016+

1990s
Zeitegist: 1991-2000
Echo: 2001-2006
Dork/pun: 2007-2012
Nostalgic boom: 2013-present

2000s
Zeitegist: 2001-2008
Echo: 2009-2015
Dork/pun: 2016-present

That said, I find similarities between the "Echo" and "Dork/pun" phases along with the "Nostalgic boom" and "Legacy" phases, in that the former are both considered backlashing phases, with the former having the infrastructure of the recently expired zeitgeist intact, but with a new attitude that lays the foundation for the new era of pop, while the "Dork/Pun" phase is when the pop cultural era is still generally hated in the mainstream, but much more obscure, with many of the stars of that zeitgeist now definitive has-beens. As with "Nostalgic boom" and "Legacy", both tend to have strong proponents of reminiscing toward each era, but once it moves off into the "legacy" phase, it becomes more difficult to achieve the first-hand memories that you see, and also that it starts to become less accessible, for instance classic hits stations starting to weed out their playlists before eventually disappearing altogether, or new studies becoming more academic or deep in thought, or a noticeable decline in nostalgic interest towards that era. It also shows how certain decades are sort of the parents of another, for instance, the 1980s and 1990s to the 2010s, the 1960s and 1970s towards the 1990s, where strong nostalgia can often serve as the basis for pop cultural references in movies, tv, or even songs, whether it is a '70s song sampled in a rap track, or jokes/events written by a screenwriter based on what was popular in their youth.

I've noticed that a lot of music awards shows in the past year have an '80s vibe in terms of the promos, stage design, visuals and so on. The most notable example of this was the 2017 MTV Video Music Awards on August 27th.

I see it like this:

The '50s - Lasted until 1960
The '60s - Lasted until 1969
The '70s - Lasted until 1978
The '80s - Lasted until 1990
The '90s - Lasted until 1999
The '00s - Lasted until 2011