I often think about what are the biggest differences between people my age and those 10 years my junior. What do you guys think are the biggest key differences? Which year would you rather be born in?

1987 born got to experience a few years before the internet exploded in popularity!  :o

One are 90s kids, other are mid 00s kids.

1987 born got to experience a few years before the internet exploded in popularity!  :o


Yeah that's big I remember when the Internet just came out and was some big deal, 1997 were essentially born with the internet. I mean 9/11 is obviously huge too, while I remember it very well and can recall the day exactly and also life before 9/11, a 1997 might barely remember 9/11 at best. Our teens were very different, social media didn't even really exist mainstream until I was in my 20s, while they would have went through their teens with social media. In my teens we did AIM or we even passed handwritten notes in class.

Yeah that's big I remember when the Internet just came out and was some big deal, 1997 were essentially born with the internet. I mean 9/11 is obviously huge too, while I remember it very well and can recall the day exactly and also life before 9/11, a 1997 might barely remember 9/11 at best. Our teens were very different, social media didn't even really exist mainstream until I was in my 20s, while they would have went through their teens with social media. In my teens we did AIM or we even passed handwritten notes in class.

Agreed

1987, for reasons which most of you are probably aware of. Considering the fact that the youngest 1997 borns are only 14 and a half months older than me, it wouldn't really interest me to have been born in 1997, because the differences would be very small.

1987 borns

*Core childhood was from 1992-1997.
*Graduated from high school in either 2005 or 2006.
*Graduated from college in either 2009 or 2010.
*First presidential election: 2008
*13-14 when 9/11 happened.
*Can remember life before the Web became commonplace.
*Oldest person they attended mandatory schooling with was born in 1969.

1997 borns

*Core childhood was from 2002-2007.
*Graduated from high school in either 2015 or 2016.
*Graduating from college in either 2019 or 2020.
*First presidential election: 2016.
*3-4 when 9/11 happened.
*Can't remember life before the Web became commonplace.
*Oldest person they attended mandatory schooling with was born in 1979.


NOTE: This list is U.S.-centric

1987 borns

*Core childhood was from 1992-1997.
*Graduated from high school in either 2005 or 2006.
*Graduated from college in either 2009 or 2010.
*First presidential election: 2008
*13-14 when 9/11 happened.
*Can remember life before the Web became commonplace.
*Oldest person they attended mandatory schooling with was born in 1969.

1997 borns

*Core childhood was from 2002-2007.
*Graduated from high school in either 2015 or 2016.
*Graduating from college in either 2019 or 2020.
*First presidential election: 2016.
*3-4 when 9/11 happened.
*Can't remember life before the Web became commonplace.
*Oldest person they attended mandatory schooling with was born in 1979.


NOTE: This list is U.S.-centric


Where do you get 1969 and 1979?

I often think about what are the biggest differences between people my age and those 10 years my junior. What do you guys think are the biggest key differences? Which year would you rather be born in?


I think a big difference is people born in 1987 are the last people to have strong memories of the early 90s, the last of the true 20th century. Also the last to have a largely social media free high school if they graduated in 2005.

Where do you get 1969 and 1979?


Yeah that's off, I think it's more like late 1974 for 1987 and late 1984 for 1997. Unless he really meant the oldest that were still in K-12 school when each were born, then that's basically accurate (really that would be late 1968 and late 1978 who were the oldest to graduate in 1987 and 1997 respectively).

I think a big difference is people born in 1987 are the last people to have strong memories of the early 90s, the last of the true 20th century. Also the last to have a largely social media free high school if they graduated in 2005.


That is true.

Yeah that's off, I think it's more like late 1974 for 1987 and late 1984 for 1997. Unless he really meant the oldest that were still in K-12 school when each were born, then that's basically accurate (really that would be late 1968 and late 1978 who were the oldest to graduate in 1987 and 1997 respectively).

That's what I meant.

What do you guys think mandatory schooling is? ;D

That's what I meant.

What do you guys think mandatory schooling is? ;D


It read more like the oldest that was in school when I started school as opposed to oldest in school at time of birth.

*Oldest person they attended mandatory schooling with was born in 1969.

I didn't attend mandatory schooling at the same time as someone born in 1969, but they were still in school when I was born.

I didn't attend mandatory schooling at the same time as someone born in 1969, but they were still in school when I was born.

That's what I meant. Anyways, the differences between you and a 1997 born is enormous.

I often think about what are the biggest differences between people my age and those 10 years my junior. What do you guys think are the biggest key differences? Which year would you rather be born in?


What about 2007 borns! ;D

Ooo, a co-worker whom I'd consider a good friend is born mid-1986, and my boyfriend is born 1997, so maybe I'm an "expert" on this topic LOL.

1987ers are 29/30 and 1997ers are 19/20. Sorry to start off with the obvious, but those are two very different life stages, and that's a huge maturity gap. That's the first difference that stands out. 97ers still have a lot of growing up to do and a lot to learn. Their behaviour is not set in stone.

''87ers grew up with the greatest gaming gen (4th Gen), with 2D and '90s gaming in general. Street Fighter 2 never gets old. '97ers grew up with Gamecube/PS2 and the like but they were also kids when the DS/Wii were out. So if you want to feel like you aged a thousand years, just talk to a grown ass adult who has childhood nostalgia for the Wii.  :o

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'87ers grew up without the Internet and they'll remind you of that often. '97ers grew up with an iPhone in the womb and that will also be painfully obvious.

Related to the above, most 87ers don't do the Snapchat thing and a sizeable amount don't have Instagram. In my nerdy industry, many don't even have Facebook! '97ers are involved in all these things. It's like email to them, how can you not have it? :o

'87ers were of age and remember almost the entire political 2000s. Don't bother talking about how the Great Recession period was the most depressing period of your life, cause all a '97er will tell you was that that was the winter they learnt ice skating. They don't remember major world events from the early 2000s at all, so don't even go there. My friend didn't even know about the 2004 Asian Tsunami!

Related to that, '87ers were kids for the entire '90s, while '97ers were kids for the entire 2000s. Two very different decades to grow up in!

Expanding on that, most '87ers finished high school in 2005, and '97ers finished high school in 2015. If you think about all the cultural, social and technological changes that took place between 2005 and 2015, those are two very different periods to be coming of age.

I don't know if this is just the two '97ers that I know well, and one is my bf so he probably doesn't count, but they're very open about their emotions and are not afraid to cry in front of people. With other Millennials, I think talking about your emotions so openly would be considered unmanly and strange, but the '97ers I know are very comfortable in spilling their guts. Maybe it's mentally healthy in the long run, but I'm not really used to it so it can be emotionally exhausting for me. ;D

'97ers have better hair and fashion sense.  :-X :-X :-X

That's all that immediately comes to mind. I'll probably post more later.

As for whether I'd rather be an '87er or a '97er, '87ers grew up with my favourite kid culture. Being at that age in 1993-2000 must've been amazing. I'd like to have vivid childhood memories of 1990-1992 as well but I shouldn't be too greedy ;D I don't like the mid-late 2000s when the '97ers grew up, but I'm sure if I was their age back then I'd think differently. As for teen culture, I'd give the edge to growing up in the early-mid 2010s over the early-mid 2000s. The music is so much more danceable! And like I said, I'm not at a big fan of the mid-2000s. I love early 2000s music and video games though.

Ooo, a co-worker whom I'd consider a good friend is born mid-1986, and my boyfriend is born 1997, so maybe I'm an "expert" on this topic LOL.

1987ers are 29/30 and 1997ers are 19/20. Sorry to start off with the obvious, but those are two very different life stages, and that's a huge maturity gap. That's the first difference that stands out. 97ers still have a lot of growing up to do and a lot to learn. Their behaviour is not set in stone.

''87ers grew up with the greatest gaming gen (4th Gen), with 2D and '90s gaming in general. Street Fighter 2 never gets old. '97ers grew up with Gamecube/PS2 and the like but they were also kids when the DS/Wii were out. So if you want to feel like you aged a thousand years, just talk to a grown ass adult who has childhood nostalgia for the Wii.  :o

https://media.giphy.com/media/GrUhLU9q3nyRG/giphy.gif

'87ers grew up without the Internet and they'll remind you of that often. '97ers grew up with an iPhone in the womb and that will also be painfully obvious.

Related to the above, most 87ers don't do the Snapchat thing and a sizeable amount don't have Instagram. In my nerdy industry, many don't even have Facebook! '97ers are involved in all these things. It's like email to them, how can you not have it? :o

'87ers were of age and remember almost the entire political 2000s. Don't bother talking about how the Great Recession period was the most depressing period of your life, cause all a '97er will tell you was that that was the winter they learnt ice skating. They don't remember major world events from the early 2000s at all, so don't even go there. My friend didn't even know about the 2004 Asian Tsunami!

Related to that, '87ers were kids for the entire '90s, while '97ers were kids for the entire 2000s. Two very different decades to grow up in!

Expanding on that, most '87ers finished high school in 2005, and '97ers finished high school in 2015. If you think about all the cultural, social and technological changes that took place between 2005 and 2015, those are two very different periods to be coming of age.

I don't know if this is just the two '97ers that I know well, and one is my bf so he probably doesn't count, but they're very open about their emotions and are not afraid to cry in front of people. With other Millennials, I think talking about your emotions so openly would be considered unmanly and strange, but the '97ers I know are very comfortable in spilling their guts. Maybe it's mentally healthy in the long run, but I'm not really used to it so it can be emotionally exhausting for me. ;D

'97ers have better hair and fashion sense.  :-X :-X :-X

That's all that immediately comes to mind. I'll probably post more later.

As for whether I'd rather be an '87er or a '97er, '87ers grew up with my favourite kid culture. Being at that age in 1993-2000 must've been amazing. I'd like to have vivid childhood memories of 1990-1992 as well but I shouldn't be too greedy ;D I don't like the mid-late 2000s when the '97ers grew up, but I'm sure if I was their age back then I'd think differently. As for teen culture, I'd give the edge to growing up in the early-mid 2010s over the early-mid 2000s. The music is so much more danceable! And like I said, I'm not at a big fan of the mid-2000s. I love early 2000s music and video games though.


That is a great analysis! Great post!  8)

Ooo, a co-worker whom I'd consider a good friend is born mid-1986, and my boyfriend is born 1997, so maybe I'm an "expert" on this topic LOL.

1987ers are 29/30 and 1997ers are 19/20. Sorry to start off with the obvious, but those are two very different life stages, and that's a huge maturity gap. That's the first difference that stands out. 97ers still have a lot of growing up to do and a lot to learn. Their behaviour is not set in stone.

''87ers grew up with the greatest gaming gen (4th Gen), with 2D and '90s gaming in general. Street Fighter 2 never gets old. '97ers grew up with Gamecube/PS2 and the like but they were also kids when the DS/Wii were out. So if you want to feel like you aged a thousand years, just talk to a grown ass adult who has childhood nostalgia for the Wii.  :o

https://media.giphy.com/media/GrUhLU9q3nyRG/giphy.gif

'87ers grew up without the Internet and they'll remind you of that often. '97ers grew up with an iPhone in the womb and that will also be painfully obvious.

Related to the above, most 87ers don't do the Snapchat thing and a sizeable amount don't have Instagram. In my nerdy industry, many don't even have Facebook! '97ers are involved in all these things. It's like email to them, how can you not have it? :o

'87ers were of age and remember almost the entire political 2000s. Don't bother talking about how the Great Recession period was the most depressing period of your life, cause all a '97er will tell you was that that was the winter they learnt ice skating. They don't remember major world events from the early 2000s at all, so don't even go there. My friend didn't even know about the 2004 Asian Tsunami!

Related to that, '87ers were kids for the entire '90s, while '97ers were kids for the entire 2000s. Two very different decades to grow up in!

Expanding on that, most '87ers finished high school in 2005, and '97ers finished high school in 2015. If you think about all the cultural, social and technological changes that took place between 2005 and 2015, those are two very different periods to be coming of age.

I don't know if this is just the two '97ers that I know well, and one is my bf so he probably doesn't count, but they're very open about their emotions and are not afraid to cry in front of people. With other Millennials, I think talking about your emotions so openly would be considered unmanly and strange, but the '97ers I know are very comfortable in spilling their guts. Maybe it's mentally healthy in the long run, but I'm not really used to it so it can be emotionally exhausting for me. ;D

'97ers have better hair and fashion sense.  :-X :-X :-X

That's all that immediately comes to mind. I'll probably post more later.

As for whether I'd rather be an '87er or a '97er, '87ers grew up with my favourite kid culture. Being at that age in 1993-2000 must've been amazing. I'd like to have vivid childhood memories of 1990-1992 as well but I shouldn't be too greedy ;D I don't like the mid-late 2000s when the '97ers grew up, but I'm sure if I was their age back then I'd think differently. As for teen culture, I'd give the edge to growing up in the early-mid 2010s over the early-mid 2000s. The music is so much more danceable! And like I said, I'm not at a big fan of the mid-2000s. I love early 2000s music and video games though.


I'm not an 87er, but I'm close (88er). It was a fun time to be alive.  :(

Childhood nostalgia for the Wii that is freaky, that seems not that long ago to me when that was big. I was what in my early 20s then. My childhood centered around the SNES and Genesis but I also remember the tail end of NES being popular and was still a kid during the PS1/N64 days. My first own system was SNES in 1992 and I remember Super Mario World. My teens were XBOX/PS2/Gamecube gen, that was probably the last generation of gaming I really cared about though I was a bit into the 360/PS3/Wii generation.

Now, what are the biggest differences between people born in 1997 and 1999? ;) ;D

Now, what are the biggest differences between people born in 1997 and 1999? ;) ;D


That's only 2 years so not so much though a little. 1997 has more memory of the early '00s and is sort of a borderline early-mid '10s teen as opposed to a more solidly mid '10s teen like 1999. 1997 possibly have a slight memory of 9/11 especially those born early 1997, depends on person. 1999 is very very unlikely to remember anything at all about 9/11.

That's only 2 years so not so much though a little. 1997 has more memory of the early '00s and is sort of a borderline early-mid '10s teen as opposed to a more solidly mid '10s teen like 1999. 1997 possibly have a slight memory of 9/11 especially those born early 1997, depends on person. 1999 is very very unlikely to remember anything at all about 9/11.

I know. I was just being silly.

I know. I was just being silly.


1997 and 2007 will be interesting, but 2007 is really too young to compare to yet being only 10 years old.

1997 and 2007 will be interesting, but 2007 is really too young to compare to yet being only 10 years old.

What are the biggest differences between 1993 borns (Slowpoke, UltraGameDog, etc) and 1999 borns (me, SharksFan99, etc)?

What are the biggest differences between 1993 borns (Slowpoke, UltraGameDog, etc) and 1999 borns (me, SharksFan99, etc)?


'93 and '99...umm well 1993 remembers a bit of the late '90s while 1999 obviously doesn't. They remember the PS1/N64 generation of gaming, you almost certainly don't. They had late '00s/early '10s teenage years, you mid '10s. So their teens umm still weren't completely dominated by smartphones and social media in the same way as a 1999 born even though it was coming out at that time. 1993ers could remember Clinton being president, they probably don't remember a lot of details of his presidency but likely recall him being the president. 1999 obviously would not. They could vote for president in 2012, 1999 won't cast a vote for president until 2020. That's just some things I can think of right now.

'93 and '99...umm well 1993 remembers a bit of the late '90s while 1999 obviously doesn't. They remember the PS1/N64 generation of gaming, you almost certainly don't. They had late '00s/early '10s teenage years, you mid '10s. So their teens umm still weren't completely dominated by smartphones and social media in the same way as a 1999 born even though it was coming out at that time. 1993ers could remember Clinton being president, they probably don't remember a lot of details of his presidency but likely recall him being the president. 1999 obviously would not. They could vote for president in 2012, 1999 won't cast a vote for president until 2020. That's just some things I can think of right now.

Great list!

1987 borns:
*First voted in 2008.
*100% chance of remembering 9/11.
*12 when Y2K happened, therefore also giving them a 100% chance of remembering it.
*Last not to be a big part of the emo crowd (main emo crowd, to me, is 1988-1993 borns).
*Will remember life before the Internet (or to some extent, life before Windows 95).
*First video game console was likely either the Sega Genesis or the Super Nintendo.
*First memories may have likely been around 1989-1990, but they certainly won't remember any of those years' news events.
*Peak childhood took place in around 1994.
*Peak adolescence took place in around 2003.
*Legally became adults in 2005, legally able to consume alcohol since 2008, could rent a car since 2012.
*5th or 6th grade when the Columbine shooting took place
*Very likely to remember Princess Diana's death.
*Chinese Zodiac sign is Fire Rabbit (It is still Fire Tiger if they were born between January 1 and January 28, 1987)

1997 borns:
*First voted in 2016
*Unlikely to remember 9/11.
*Literally very little or no chance of remembering Y2K.
*Big part of the Instagram/Trap/EDM crowd.
*May remember dial-up, but certainly not an Internetless world.
*First video game console was likely either the PlayStation 2 or the Gamecube.
*First memories may have likely been around 1999-2000, but they certainly won't remember any of those years' news events.
*Peak childhood took place in around 2004.
*Peak adolescence took place in around 2013.
*Legally became adults in 2015, could legally consume alcohol in the US by next year, and could rent a car in 2022.
*Not even in preschool yet when the Columbine shooting took place, given that they were only one or two.
*Also zero chance on remembering Princess Diana's death - most were only babies, some people born in 1997 were not even born yet.
*Chinese Zodiac sign is Fire Ox (It is Fire Rat if they were born between January 1 and February 6, 1997 - like Cody Simpson for example)

1987 borns:
*First voted in 2008.
*100% chance of remembering 9/11.
*12 when Y2K happened, therefore also giving them a 100% chance of remembering it.
*Last not to be a big part of the emo crowd (main emo crowd, to me, is 1988-1993 borns).
*Will remember life before the Internet (or to some extent, life before Windows 95).
*First video game console was likely either the Sega Genesis or the Super Nintendo.
*First memories may have likely been around 1989-1990, but they certainly won't remember any of those years' news events.
*Peak childhood took place in around 1994.
*Peak adolescence took place in around 2003.
*Legally became adults in 2005, legally able to consume alcohol since 2008, could rent a car since 2012.
*5th or 6th grade when the Columbine shooting took place
*Very likely to remember Princess Diana's death.
*Chinese Zodiac sign is Fire Rabbit (It is still Fire Tiger if they were born between January 1 and January 28, 1987)

1997 borns:
*First voted in 2016
*Unlikely to remember 9/11.
*Literally very little or no chance of remembering Y2K.
*Big part of the Instagram/Trap/EDM crowd.
*May remember dial-up, but certainly not an Internetless world.
*First video game console was likely either the PlayStation 2 or the Gamecube.
*First memories may have likely been around 1999-2000, but they certainly won't remember any of those years' news events.
*Peak childhood took place in around 2004.
*Peak adolescence took place in around 2013.
*Legally became adults in 2015, could legally consume alcohol in the US by next year, and could rent a car in 2022.
*Not even in preschool yet when the Columbine shooting took place, given that they were only one or two.
*Also zero chance on remembering Princess Diana's death - most were only babies, some people born in 1997 were not even born yet.
*Chinese Zodiac sign is Fire Ox (It is Fire Rat if they were born between January 1 and February 6, 1997 - like Cody Simpson for example)

Nice job and great list!

Ooo, a co-worker whom I'd consider a good friend is born mid-1986, and my boyfriend is born 1997, so maybe I'm an "expert" on this topic LOL.

1987ers are 29/30 and 1997ers are 19/20. Sorry to start off with the obvious, but those are two very different life stages, and that's a huge maturity gap. That's the first difference that stands out. 97ers still have a lot of growing up to do and a lot to learn. Their behaviour is not set in stone.

''87ers grew up with the greatest gaming gen (4th Gen), with 2D and '90s gaming in general. Street Fighter 2 never gets old. '97ers grew up with Gamecube/PS2 and the like but they were also kids when the DS/Wii were out. So if you want to feel like you aged a thousand years, just talk to a grown ass adult who has childhood nostalgia for the Wii.  :o

https://media.giphy.com/media/GrUhLU9q3nyRG/giphy.gif

'87ers grew up without the Internet and they'll remind you of that often. '97ers grew up with an iPhone in the womb and that will also be painfully obvious.

Related to the above, most 87ers don't do the Snapchat thing and a sizeable amount don't have Instagram. In my nerdy industry, many don't even have Facebook! '97ers are involved in all these things. It's like email to them, how can you not have it? :o

'87ers were of age and remember almost the entire political 2000s. Don't bother talking about how the Great Recession period was the most depressing period of your life, cause all a '97er will tell you was that that was the winter they learnt ice skating. They don't remember major world events from the early 2000s at all, so don't even go there. My friend didn't even know about the 2004 Asian Tsunami!

Related to that, '87ers were kids for the entire '90s, while '97ers were kids for the entire 2000s. Two very different decades to grow up in!

Expanding on that, most '87ers finished high school in 2005, and '97ers finished high school in 2015. If you think about all the cultural, social and technological changes that took place between 2005 and 2015, those are two very different periods to be coming of age.

I don't know if this is just the two '97ers that I know well, and one is my bf so he probably doesn't count, but they're very open about their emotions and are not afraid to cry in front of people. With other Millennials, I think talking about your emotions so openly would be considered unmanly and strange, but the '97ers I know are very comfortable in spilling their guts. Maybe it's mentally healthy in the long run, but I'm not really used to it so it can be emotionally exhausting for me. ;D

'97ers have better hair and fashion sense.  :-X :-X :-X

That's all that immediately comes to mind. I'll probably post more later.

As for whether I'd rather be an '87er or a '97er, '87ers grew up with my favourite kid culture. Being at that age in 1993-2000 must've been amazing. I'd like to have vivid childhood memories of 1990-1992 as well but I shouldn't be too greedy ;D I don't like the mid-late 2000s when the '97ers grew up, but I'm sure if I was their age back then I'd think differently. As for teen culture, I'd give the edge to growing up in the early-mid 2010s over the early-mid 2000s. The music is so much more danceable! And like I said, I'm not at a big fan of the mid-2000s. I love early 2000s music and video games though.


Well, this pretty much sums up most of what I was going to say. Technology, I do agree, is the biggest difference between late '80s babies and late '90s babies. Regardless of the fact that we all thought that the '90s was this technological marvel of a decade when we were growing up, the truth is that '90s were actually still quite primitive. VHS, 2D and early 3D video games, less than half the country even having a computer, I mean being a kid during the '90s truly was quite a bit different than being a kid during the '00s.

The question of the difference between 1987ers and 2007ers is interesting, too. Now that's a generation gap. Quite a few of my cousins are around that age and you should see the looks they give me when I break out my old NES or watch an old VHS tape. When I was playing Contra a little while back a cousin about that age actually started making fun of me for being old when I told him that I grew up playing that game on NES.

About 2007 borns one thing you could definitely say is they were born right into the smartphone and social media world, quite literally actually being born the same year the iPhone was released! They will take those things completely for granted and definitely not be able to imagine that not existing. 1997 at least you could say they have some childhood memories of the pre social media smartphone world.

1997 borns and 2007 borns are like 99% similar to each other. C'mon people...they're both just dumb wussy Millennials ::).

1997 borns and 2007 borns are like 99% similar to each other. C'mon people...they're both just dumb wussy Millennials ::).


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Yeah, it's too bad you guys couldn't have just been cool badass Gen Xers like us late '80s people, but that's just the way the ball bounces sometimes.

Yeah, it's too bad you guys couldn't have just been cool badass Gen Xers like us late '80s people, but that's just the way the ball bounces sometimes.

I cry every time I think about that :(.

Yeah it would be interesting to see the major differences between 1997 & 2007 borns in say 10 years time. It begs the question, how do you guys think the 2020's will be like?

I remember seeing this video a few years ago and thinking how futuristic the 20's looked like:

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Now that we're about 2 & 1/2 years away from the dawn of the 2020's its crazy how close to think we are to it :o

Yeah it would be interesting to see the major differences between 1997 & 2007 borns in say 10 years time. It begs the question, how do you guys think the 2020's will be like?

I remember seeing this video a few years ago and thinking how futuristic the 20's looked like:

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Now that we're about 2 & 1/2 years away from the dawn of the 2020's its crazy how close to think we are to it :o

I think that the 2020s will be very similar to now. I don't see much changing...the world won't become like the 21st century version of The Jetsons in the 2020s. Maybe, VR will become more popular and smartphones either remain pretty much the same or something revolutionary comes out.

Now, what are the biggest differences between people born in 1997 and 1999? ;) ;D


a difference of 2 years.

Yeah it would be interesting to see the major differences between 1997 & 2007 borns in say 10 years time. It begs the question, how do you guys think the 2020's will be like?

I remember seeing this video a few years ago and thinking how futuristic the 20's looked like:

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Now that we're about 2 & 1/2 years away from the dawn of the 2020's its crazy how close to think we are to it :o



I'm looking forward to the 2020's.

The difference between 1999 borns and 2002 borns? ???

They had late '00s/early '10s teenage years, you mid '10s.


To be honest, I think of myself as being somewhat of an Early 2010s teen as well. I started High School in February 2012 and turned 13 the following month. I'm definitely more of a Mid '10s teen, but I consider the Early 2010s to have been apart of my adolescence as well.

Yeah, it's too bad you guys couldn't have just been cool badass Gen Xers like us late '80s people, but that's just the way the ball bounces sometimes.

Oh machine we know you want to a part of the late 90s babies crowd. Just keep pretending you're 20 and maybe they won't notice  :P

To be honest, I think of myself as being somewhat of an Early 2010s teen as well. I started High School in February 2012 and turned 13 the following month. I'm definitely more of a Mid '10s teen, but I consider the Early 2010s to have been apart of my adolescence as well.


I can see what you mean, since I feel like the mid-2000s were a part of my early adolescence (but also a part of my childhood as well), since I was 13 in 2006. The late 2000s/early 2010s are still the main part, but I did soak in some mid-2000s as well. But I'm pretty sure Brian was talking about American high school, so that would have been 2013-2017 for you and 2007-2011 for me. :P

I can see what you mean, since I feel like the mid-2000s were a part of my early adolescence (but also a part of my childhood as well), since I was 13 in 2006. The late 2000s/early 2010s are still the main part, but I did soak in some mid-2000s as well. But I'm pretty sure Brian was talking about American high school, so that would have been 2013-2017 for you and 2007-2011 for me. :P


Would you have rather have been an early 10's teen? Its funny cause I was a freshman in H.S. when you was a senior, and it always seemed liked you guys were the last 'symbolic' 2000's teens if that makes any sense. The classes of 2012-2014 all became teens in the Late 2000's, but we spent most of our core years (ages 14/15-17/18) in the early 10's, with them peaking between the years of 2010-2012.

Oh machine we know you want to a part of the late 90s babies crowd. Just keep pretending you're 20 and maybe they won't notice  :P


Sorry, but there's no way I could hang with the younger crowd without standing out. After they found out that my favorite video game is Super Mario Bros. and that I barely ever use my Facebook, not to mention Snapchat or any of that other stuff, late '90s babies would figure me out quick.


I can see what you mean, since I feel like the mid-2000s were a part of my early adolescence (but also a part of my childhood as well), since I was 13 in 2006. The late 2000s/early 2010s are still the main part, but I did soak in some mid-2000s as well. But I'm pretty sure Brian was talking about American high school, so that would have been 2013-2017 for you and 2007-2011 for me. :P


Yeah, I agree with both you guys on that. That's the exact same way I've always felt about the late '90s, even though I was a kid still, I do consider 1998 and 1999 as a key part of my adolescence, as I was already starting to get more engaged with pop culture and music at that time. Also, I've always considered myself a partial early '00s teen as well, even though I didn't start high school until late 2001. Most of my peers born 1988 consider themselves partial early '00s teens, too.

Now, what are the biggest differences between people born in 1997 and 1999? ;) ;D


Experiences are about the same, 1997 borns may have a little more Millennial influence.

*1997 borns are unlikely to remember 9/11. For 1999 borns, it's one in a thousand or less.
*1997 borns first vote in 2016. 1999 borns first vote in 2020.
*1997 borns are early/mid 2010's teen hybrids. 1999 borns are purely mid 2010's teens.
*1997 borns are purely mid 00's children. 1999 borns are mid/late 00's children hybrids.
*1997 borns may have some solid memories from the early 00's. 1999 borns are not that likely to remember the early 00's (depends on how you define "early 2000's").

I use this system (it may seem a little odd):

Neonate = Newborn-28 days
Infant = 29 days-12 months
Toddler = 1-3 years of age
Child = 3-10 years of age
Tween/Preteen = 10-12 years of age
Teen = 13-17 years of age (or 13-19 years of age)
Legal Youth (legal, but still in college) = 18-21 years of age
Adult = 22 years of age or older (got Bachelor's Degree)

Experiences are about the same, 1997 borns may have a little more Millennial influence.

*1997 borns are unlikely to remember 9/11. For 1999 borns, it's one in a thousand or less.
*1997 borns first vote in 2016. 1999 borns first vote in 2020.
*1997 borns are early/mid 2010's teen hybrids. 1999 borns are purely mid 2010's teens.
*1997 borns are purely mid 00's children. 1999 borns are mid/late 00's children hybrids.
*1997 borns may have some solid memories from the early 00's. 1999 borns are not that likely to remember the early 00's (depends on how you define "early 2000's").

I use this system (it may seem a little odd):

Neonate = Newborn-28 days
Infant = 29 days-12 months
Toddler = 1-3 years of age
Child = 3-10 years of age
Tween/Preteen = 10-12 years of age
Teen = 13-17 years of age (or 13-19 years of age)
Legal Youth (legal, but still in college) = 18-21 years of age
Adult = 22 years of age or older (got Bachelor's Degree)

Good points and nice list.

I was being silly though...hence the emoticons. It doesn't matter to me ;D.

Would you have rather have been an early 10's teen? Its funny cause I was a freshman in H.S. when you was a senior, and it always seemed liked you guys were the last 'symbolic' 2000's teens if that makes any sense. The classes of 2012-2014 all became teens in the Late 2000's, but we spent most of our core years (ages 14/15-17/18) in the early 10's, with them peaking between the years of 2010-2012.


I actually graduated in 2010, so I wouldn't have been in school the same time as you, unfortunately. ;D I would've enjoyed being in high school in the early 2010s, but I enjoyed it more being in university. It was definitely better than being a teen in the late 2000s though.

Are you picking being 16 years old as the 'peak' of your teen years? I think that works for me. 2009 was a very interesting year, it was the transition from the late 2000s into the early 2010s in a nutshell and describes my teen years well.

At the beginning of the year, the iPod Classic was still the coolest device on the block, I talked to my friends on MSN everyday, I still had an SDTV in my room, my computer was on Windows XP, George Bush was still president, MySpace was still more popular than Facebook in the US, only 2 or 3 people had an iPhone in my grade out of ~400 or so students, about 20% had a Blackberry, the other 40% some sort of slider or feature phone, and the other 40% didn't even have a phone (I grew up around working class neighbourhoods though). Britney Spears, Usher, All-American Rejects, Linkin Park, Beyoncé had presence on the charts.  I remember in the summer on the last day of school, I and most people brought a digital camcorder to record and take pictures of the event, instead of using their phones like most would today.

By the end of the year though, the iPhone 3GS, iPod Touch and iPod Nano/Shuffle were clearly the hottest thing, MSN was far less active, Facebook was clearly established and even Twitter was gaining ground, there were no more SDTVs in my house (and 3DTVs were the next big thing ;D), I had a netbook on Windows 7, Obama was firmly entrenched, about 10-15% of people in my grade had an iPhone (sounds little, but 15% is almost 1 in every 6 people, so somewhat common and a part of daily life), and far more had a Blackberry at that point. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, and Kesha (at the beginning of 2010) were clearly the biggest pop stars now, and everyone was going to the theatres to watch Avatar. The early 2010s had clearly arrived. It was a very long year with a lot of changes. :D

Somebody mentioned Columbine, which I remember very vividly. It sticks out so much because I was having my appendix taken out that day and I'll never forget it. I was just about to go into surgery and in a hospital bed and there was Columbine happening on TV in front of my eyes. When I went back to school I found out there was actually a kid that made death threats in my grade shortly after Columbine and he was expelled. It's like one of the moments I'll never forget like the OJ verdict when our teacher told my class of 3rd graders that OJ was found not guilty and we were all shocked or 9/11 when my teacher told us when we were walking out of first period that "life just got a little interesting".

1997 boys never got to wear their hair long for a long time compared with 1987 boys.

Somebody mentioned Columbine, which I remember very vividly. It sticks out so much because I was having my appendix taken out that day and I'll never forget it. I was just about to go into surgery and in a hospital bed and there was Columbine happening on TV in front of my eyes. When I went back to school I found out there was actually a kid that made death threats in my grade shortly after Columbine and he was expelled. It's like one of the moments I'll never forget like the OJ verdict when our teacher told my class of 3rd graders that OJ was found not guilty and we were all shocked or 9/11 when my teacher told us when we were walking out of first period that "life just got a little interesting".


A '97er wouldn't remember any of those. :o

Somebody mentioned Columbine, which I remember very vividly. It sticks out so much because I was having my appendix taken out that day and I'll never forget it. I was just about to go into surgery and in a hospital bed and there was Columbine happening on TV in front of my eyes. When I went back to school I found out there was actually a kid that made death threats in my grade shortly after Columbine and he was expelled. It's like one of the moments I'll never forget like the OJ verdict when our teacher told my class of 3rd graders that OJ was found not guilty and we were all shocked or 9/11 when my teacher told us when we were walking out of first period that "life just got a little interesting".


That was me.

The Columbine perpetrators Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were both born in 1981. Would you consider them to have been Gen Xers or very early Millennials? It's an interesting question to ponder.

That was me.


Yeah that was you T-Rex!

Another where was I moment I'll tell you guys was when Bill Clinton was impeached by the house. Now I remember vividly the Starr Report coming out before this too, and this is like when I really learned about sex too LOL. I remember when that Starr Report was published and reading that as an 11 year old!  ;D So things like stains on blue dresses and cigars are FOREVER etched in my mind.  ;D On the day President Clinton was impeached I was out on a boy scout camping trip and we had the radio on and they were covering the vote live. I was mad too because I liked President Clinton and saw the whole thing as a witch hunt. I knew the senate would never convict him though. Late nite TV was HILARIOUS back then too with the endless Clinton sex jokes. Man I'll never forget those days.  :)

The Columbine perpetrators Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were both born in 1981. Would you consider them to have been Gen Xers or very early Millennials? It's an interesting question to ponder.


Honestly they are very early Millennials and nowhere near real Gen X.

Honestly they are very early Millennials and nowhere near real Gen X.

Its hard to consider anybody with an 80s birthday as Gen X. I know the early 80s babies are on the cusp and have some gen x traits but it dosent seem right saying they're full on Gen x

Somebody mentioned Columbine, which I remember very vividly. It sticks out so much because I was having my appendix taken out that day and I'll never forget it. I was just about to go into surgery and in a hospital bed and there was Columbine happening on TV in front of my eyes. When I went back to school I found out there was actually a kid that made death threats in my grade shortly after Columbine and he was expelled. It's like one of the moments I'll never forget like the OJ verdict when our teacher told my class of 3rd graders that OJ was found not guilty and we were all shocked or 9/11 when my teacher told us when we were walking out of first period that "life just got a little interesting".


Yeah, I was at school when Columbine happened, but didn't find out about it until I got back to my house. Honestly, school was never quite the same after that. Yes, school shootings had happened before, but they had never truly been serious enough to get the same huge amount of media coverage. Before Columbine, I'd never even conceived of the idea that a student would go to school with a gun and start shooting. Another thing that I remember is my mom actually not letting me and my younger brother go to school on the last day of the 1998-99 school year because a rumor spread around that there was going to be a shooting on the last day at our school. The next year when I started 7th grade for the 1999-00 school year, we had a cop at school and a mandate to have clear bookbags.

On the O.J. thing, I actually vaguely remember the O.J. chase even though I was just shy of 7 at the time. My grandfather was watching it on TV and I remember sitting there and watching it with him trying to figure who the hell this O.J guy was since his football career was before I was born.

And I found about 9/11 similar to how you did as well. Our 1st period was over at about 8:50, which was just after the first plane hit the North Tower. We didn't know anything had happened when I left that class. But, after walking down the hall to get my books, by the time I walked to my 2nd period Language class, my teacher had already turned her TV on to the news coverage, so that was the first thing I noticed when I entered the class. She told everybody that a plane hit the World Trade Center, but at that time we all still thought it was an accident. The class started at 9:00 and she turned the TV off to start the day's lesson, just a matter of minutes before the second plane hit. Because of that, I didn't find out the full story of the event until later that day.

Honestly they are very early Millennials and nowhere near real Gen X.



It's hard to consider anybody with an 80s birthday as Gen X. I know the early 80s babies are on the cusp and have some gen x traits but it doesn't seem right saying they're full on Gen x
I totally agree! Those people are pretty much Millennials despite them saying they are Xennials. I mean, they were all still in school when events such as Columbine, 9/11 and even Y2K took place.

I totally agree! Those people are pretty much Millennials despite them saying they are Xennials. I mean, they were all still in school when events such as Columbine, 9/11 and even Y2K took place.

I was specifically talking about the Columbine perpetrators who were both born in 1981.

Also, if you guys don't think that early '80s borns are very late Gen Xers....then when does Gen X end and Gen Y begin? ???

I was specifically talking about the Columbine perpetrators who were both born in 1981.

Also, if you guys don't think that early '80s borns are very late Gen Xers....then when does Gen X end and Gen Y begin? ???


The border is simply around 1980. 1977/78 or so to 1981 is a little fuzzy, but once you get into the '80s you are leaning Millennial. Late '70s probably leans X, but they are only just barely X. 1982 is when you are solidly Millennial period.

I was specifically talking about the Columbine perpetrators who were both born in 1981.

Also, if you guys don't think that early '80s borns are very late Gen Xers....then when does Gen X end and Gen Y begin? ???
Oh, they are definitely Millennials although one of the oldest.

Yeah, I agree with Brian. The time frame around 1980 is the cusp while anything before and after that period is clearly Gen X or Millennial. The transition between both generations should not be long like I see in some current articles.

I totally agree! Those people are pretty much Millennials despite them saying they are Xennials. I mean, they were all still in school when events such as Columbine, 9/11 and even Y2K took place.


1980 is the ultimate cusp year to me. Class of '98 ones probably lean more X, and class of '99 ones probably lean more Y.

The border is simply around 1980. 1977/78 or so to 1981 is a little fuzzy, but once you get into the '80s you are leaning Millennial. Late '70s probably leans X, but they are only just barely X. 1982 is when you are solidly Millennial period.

OK, I understand your point.


Oh, they are definitely Millennials although one of the oldest.

Yeah, I agree with Brian. The time frame around 1980 is the cusp while anything before and after that period is clearly Gen X or Millennial. The transition between both generations should not be long like I see in some current articles.

So do you believe that Gen Y starts in 1981?


1980 is the ultimate cusp year to me. Class of '98 ones probably lean more X, and class of '99 ones probably lean more Y.

So where do you think Gen Y starts? 1981?

Most people use 1982 as the official start of Gen Y/Millennials...some use 1980. However, I have seen 1981-1997 being used.

So do you believe that Gen Y starts in 1981?
Around there. It could be earlier than we think. I don't see it starting much later though.

OK, I understand your point.
So do you believe that Gen Y starts in 1981?
So where do you think Gen Y starts? 1981?

Most people use 1982 as the official start of Gen Y/Millennials...some use 1980. However, I have seen 1981-1997 being used.


Another point to add is that 1981ers were some of the first true people to have experienced major Y moments.

For instance they were the first to have been in their peak childhood (ages 7-8) in the 1988-1989 when Y kid culture was overtaking X kid culture (peak in pop for TMNT, NES, Back To The Future, Ghostbusters TAS, Disney revival starting with Roger Rabit, etc.).

They were also the peak in their youth period during the first year to be more Y in youth culture in 1997-98' (Teen pop hitting its peak in pop, 5th generation of gaming now solidly more popular than 4th, hip hop going in a more popish direction, post grunge/NJ metal getting big, Premiere of South Park starting the Gen Y Era of Dark animation and ending the Gen X era of dark animation with the end of Beavis & Butthead).

Just some things I've noticed.

Another point to add is that 1981ers were some of the first true people to have experienced major Y moments.

For instance they were the first to have been in their peak childhood (ages 7-8) in the 1988-1989 when Y kid culture was overtaking X kid culture (peak in pop for TMNT, NES, Back To The Future, Ghostbusters TAS, Disney revival starting with Roger Rabit, etc.).

They were also the peak in their youth period during the first year to be more Y in youth culture in 1997-98' (Teen pop hitting its peak in pop, 5th generation of gaming now solidly more popular than 4th, hip hop going in a more popish direction, post grunge/NJ metal getting big, Premiere of South Park starting the Gen Y Era of Dark animation and ending the Gen X era of dark animation with the end of Beavis & Butthead).

Just some things I've noticed.

Those things are Gen Y kid culture? ???

Those things are Gen Y kid culture? ???

Aside from TMNT and the NES, which is both Gen x and Gen y kid culture, the the others mentioned I feel are more Gen x kid culture rather than Gen y kid culture. Only reason TMNT and the NES stradle both cultures is because they were still popular well into the early 90s. All the other things he mentioned were no longer popular when the 90s started. That's how I see it.

Aside from TMNT and the NES, which is both Gen x and Gen y kid culture, the the others mentioned I feel are more Gen x kid culture rather than Gen y kid culture. Only reason TMNT and the NES stradle both cultures is because they were still popular well into the early 90s. All the other things he mentioned were no longer popular when the 90s started. That's how I see it.

I think that I agree.

Those things are Gen Y kid culture? ???


I guess it's all perfection but to me earlier 80's childhood trends (Atari, He-Man, Richie Rich, etc.) seem more X while later 80's Childhood trends (NES, Transformers, TMNT, etc.) seem to be more X/Y cusp, although many childhood trends that emerged in the late 80's like the Disney Renaissance for instance are early Y, and 1981ers were some of the first to spend most of their childhoods during those years

I guess it's all perfection but to me earlier 80's childhood trends (Atari, He-Man, Richie Rich, etc.) seem more X while later 80's Childhood trends (NES, Transformers, TMNT, etc.) seem to be more X/Y cusp, although many childhood trends that emerged in the late 80's like the Disney Renaissance for instance are early Y, and 1981ers were some of the first to spend most of their childhoods during those years

Oh OK, I see.

The biggest differences I can think of:

- 87ers spent a good chunk of thier childhood in the pre-internet world; 97ers don't know a life without internet
- 87ers vividly remember 9/11; 97ers probably don't remember it at all (and in the off chance they vaguely remember, definitely didn't understand it)
- Relating to 9/11, 87ers remember a time when the US wasn't at war and the word "terrorism" was seldomly heard
- For most (if not all) of an 87ers upbringing, homosexuality was not generally accepted among the American public
- Lastly (and this might be an uncomfortable, but valid subject), 87ers didn't have access to unlimited pornography as tweens/teens

- Lastly (and this might be an uncomfortable, but valid subject), 87ers didn't have access to unlimited pornography as tweens/teens

Thats actually a good thing for us 80s babies though. I think all the free access to porn anytime you want it isn't very healthy for an adolescent's selfesteem when it cones to sexual growth.

Thats actually a good thing for us 80s babies though. I think all the free access to porn anytime you want it isn't very healthy for an adolescent's selfesteem when it cones to sexual growth.

What does that mean?

'97ers were 13 in 2010. That's such a young age to be at such a changeful time. That also means they were never teens in the 2000s.

Another point to add is that 1981ers were some of the first true people to have experienced major Y moments.

For instance they were the first to have been in their peak childhood (ages 7-8) in the 1988-1989 when Y kid culture was overtaking X kid culture (peak in pop for TMNT, NES, Back To The Future, Ghostbusters TAS, Disney revival starting with Roger Rabit, etc.).

They were also the peak in their youth period during the first year to be more Y in youth culture in 1997-98' (Teen pop hitting its peak in pop, 5th generation of gaming now solidly more popular than 4th, hip hop going in a more popish direction, post grunge/NJ metal getting big, Premiere of South Park starting the Gen Y Era of Dark animation and ending the Gen X era of dark animation with the end of Beavis & Butthead).

Just some things I've noticed.


What is NJ metal?

OK, I understand your point.
So do you believe that Gen Y starts in 1981?
So where do you think Gen Y starts? 1981?

Most people use 1982 as the official start of Gen Y/Millennials...some use 1980. However, I have seen 1981-1997 being used.


I see Gen Y as being 1982-1996 primarily - can't remember the explosion of the Challenger, but can remember 9/11.

I see Gen Y as being 1982-1996 primarily - can't remember the explosion of the Challenger, but can remember 9/11.

So you view 1997 as the start of Gen Z? Also, you see yourself as being a member of Gen Z?

Another point to add is that 1981ers were some of the first true people to have experienced major Y moments.

For instance they were the first to have been in their peak childhood (ages 7-8) in the 1988-1989 when Y kid culture was overtaking X kid culture (peak in pop for TMNT, NES, Back To The Future, Ghostbusters TAS, Disney revival starting with Roger Rabit, etc.).

They were also the peak in their youth period during the first year to be more Y in youth culture in 1997-98' (Teen pop hitting its peak in pop, 5th generation of gaming now solidly more popular than 4th, hip hop going in a more popish direction, post grunge/NJ metal getting big, Premiere of South Park starting the Gen Y Era of Dark animation and ending the Gen X era of dark animation with the end of Beavis & Butthead).

Just some things I've noticed.


Speaking as someone born in 1982--TMNT, NES, and The Real Ghostbusters were all some of the biggest parts of my childhood in the late 80s/early 90s.

The entire time frame of my childhood nostalgia is 87/88 to 92/93. Starting in 1993 (when I turned 11), my interest in anything targeted
to kids was already waning. Shows like The X-Files and Beavis and Butt-head (yes, '82 borns were teenagers for a good portion of its original run) were more my cup of tea at that point.

Late X and early Y share some of the same childhood/adolescent pop culture touchstones. I have more in common with my '80 born friend than my '87 born sister.

So you view 1997 as the start of Gen Z? Also, you see yourself as being a member of Gen Z?


I view 1997-1999 borns as cusps, but Z leaning.

1994-1996 is cusp, but Y leaning to me:
*Likely to remember 9/11
*Born in the mid 90's
*Might vaguely remember Y2K
*Spent absolute peak of childhood before Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network's big changes
*Graduated high school before the decade started to get really, really cynical (mid/late 2014)
*Spent peak adolescence before Snapchat, Vine, Hashtags, and Instagram started rising rapidly.
*Based on what I have noticed in the past, none of them really got in to things like Bieber and One Direction.
*All of them were already "tweens" by the time the first iPhone came out.
*All of them became teenagers by the end of the 00's.

I view 1997-1999 borns as cusps, but Z leaning.

1994-1996 is cusp, but Y leaning to me:
*Likely to remember 9/11
*Born in the mid 90's
*Might vaguely remember Y2K
*Spent absolute peak of childhood before Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network's big changes
*Graduated high school before the decade started to get really, really cynical (mid/late 2014)
*Spent peak adolescence before Snapchat, Vine, Hashtags, and Instagram started rising rapidly.
*Based on what I have noticed in the past, none of them really got into things like Bieber and One Direction.
*All of them were already "tweens" by the time the first iPhone came out.
*All of them became teenagers by the end of the 00's.
This is a great list for the Y/Z generational cusps. I think we can all agree with that until there is a definite ending to the Millennial generation and start for the Plurals (Gen Z)

I view 1997-1999 borns as cusps, but Z leaning.

1994-1996 is cusp, but Y leaning to me:
*Likely to remember 9/11
*Born in the mid 90's
*Might vaguely remember Y2K
*Spent absolute peak of childhood before Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network's big changes
*Graduated high school before the decade started to get really, really cynical (mid/late 2014)
*Spent peak adolescence before Snapchat, Vine, Hashtags, and Instagram started rising rapidly.
*Based on what I have noticed in the past, none of them really got in to things like Bieber and One Direction.
*All of them were already "tweens" by the time the first iPhone came out.
*All of them became teenagers by the end of the 00's.

1994-1996 borns (almost primarily females) most certainly got into the Bieber and One Direction craze. However, I agree with the rest of your points. I'm still not sure if mid '90s borns lean Gen Y though.

Also, you didn't answer the question on if you consider yourself to be apart of Gen Z?

What is NJ metal?


I meant to say Nu Metal my bad ;D

What does that mean?

It means watching too much isn't good for you, especially when start to sexually mature during your tween/early teens. It's a proving fact.

I guess it's all perfection but to me earlier 80's childhood trends (Atari, He-Man, Richie Rich, etc.) seem more X while later 80's Childhood trends (NES, Transformers, TMNT, etc.) seem to be more X/Y cusp, although many childhood trends that emerged in the late 80's like the Disney Renaissance for instance are early Y, and 1981ers were some of the first to spend most of their childhoods during those years


Yeah, I agree that late '80s kid trends certainly do lean more Y.  Though most people would consider kids my age to be 'Peak Y', we liked quite a few late '80s kid things ourselves.

Though I was born 1987, there were a number of kid trends from the late '80s that I liked first hand.

Alvin and the Chipmunks was a cartoon I really liked and owned several VHS tapes of.
My parents got me a Teddy Ruxpin for Christmas 1989.
Can remember a lot of the ''60s revival' shows like A Pup Named Scooby Doo and Flintstones Kids.
TMNT was the first major kid trend I loved.
Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters II were some of my favorite movies growing up and I loved the Saturday morning cartoon.
The NES was the first console I ever played.

These are all things that late '80s babies share with mid '80s and even early '80s babies, even though they were more at the peak childhood stage when these things were popular, late '80s babies did like many of them as well. That's something that's quite different from earlier '80s kid stuff like Atari and Pac-Man, which were already well past their mainstream prime by the time we started paying attention to TV and video games around 1989 or 1990.

Thats actually a good thing for us 80s babies though. I think all the free access to porn anytime you want it isn't very healthy for an adolescent's selfesteem when it cones to sexual growth.


Now that I'm an older man I can have access to all the free porn that I want. ;)

Now that I'm an older man I can have access to all the free porn that I want. ;)
Do we wish to know that?

It means watching too much isn't good for you, especially when start to sexually mature during your tween/early teens. It's a proving fact.
When you say that, do you mean on any device or just in general? I'm asking because the only way adolescents could access porn even a decade ago was to either search them on a PC with broadband internet (If they had it) or unexpectedly find a magazine and/or a DVD.


1994-1996 borns (almost primarily females) most certainly got into the Bieber and One Direction craze. However, I agree with the rest of your points. I'm still not sure if mid-'90s borns lean Gen Y though.
Do you think they could most likely be Full Y towards the end?


Yeah, I agree that late '80s kid trends certainly do lean more Y.  Though most people would consider kids my age to be 'Peak Y', we liked quite a few late '80s kid things ourselves.

Though I was born 1987, there were a number of kid trends from the late '80s that I liked first hand.

Alvin and the Chipmunks was a cartoon I really liked and owned several VHS tapes of.
My parents got me a Teddy Ruxpin for Christmas 1989.
Can remember a lot of the ''60s revivals' shows like A Pup Named Scooby Doo and Flintstones Kids.
TMNT was the first major kid trend I loved.
Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters II were some of my favorite movies growing up and I loved the Saturday morning cartoon.
The NES was the first console I ever played.

These are all things that late '80s babies share with mid-'80s and even early '80s babies, even though they were more at the peak childhood stage when these things were popular, late '80s babies did like many of them as well. That's something that's quite different from earlier '80s kid stuff like Atari and Pac-Man, which were already well past their mainstream prime by the time we started paying attention to TV and video games around 1989 or 1990.
After reading your entire post, it gave me a vibe that this could apply to other groups as well. What I mean by that is you said you liked some of the late 80s kid things that were popular at that time. That also means that mid-90s folks could have enjoyed the popular things from the same period they were born in being Power Rangers, SNES/Genesis, GA Nick, and the Disney Renaissance films.

Do you think they could most likely be Full Y towards the end?

No. Based on knowing people born in 1994-1996...most of them (if not all) aren't Full Gen Y at all. If they do lean to Gen Y then it's only very slightly.

1994-1996 borns (almost primarily females) most certainly got into the Bieber and One Direction craze. However, I agree with the rest of your points. I'm still not sure if mid '90s borns lean Gen Y though.

Also, you didn't answer the question on if you consider yourself to be apart of Gen Z?


I didn't know that. Where I lived, not many people born in 1994-1996 really cared about them.

Cusp in reality, but both of us along with DesiredUsernameNotTaken and Baltimorean are probably ultimately Z leaning because many sources start Z in 1995-1997, probably more than the ones that start it in 2000 and 2001.

No. Based on knowing people born in 1994-1996...most of them (if not all) aren't Full Gen Y at all. If they do lean to Gen Y then it's only very slightly.
What's the last full Gen Y year to you?

After reading your entire post, it gave me a vibe that this could apply to other groups as well. What I mean by that is you said you liked some of the late 80s kid things that were popular at that time. That also means that mid-90s folks could have enjoyed the popular things from the same period they were born in being Power Rangers, SNES/Genesis, GA Nick, and the Disney Renaissance films.


Yeah, it's certainly possible. My younger brother is a 1991 born and he has nostalgia for a lot of early '90s stuff like Aladdin, which is perhaps his favorite childhood movie even though it debuted before he was even 2.

When it comes to you guys born around 1993, I could certainly see you having liked some mid '90s kid things that were still popular by 1996 or even 1997. Power Rangers was still fairly popular through late 1996 so you guys might remember that, and the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis were still producing popular games up through 1997. There's even a few kids born around 1992 or 1993 I know who's first console was a Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis. Golden Age Nick and Disney Renaissance were still major factors up through 1997, so you guys could probably remember that too.

I didn't know that. Where I lived, not many people born in 1994-1996 really cared about them.
Justin Bieber became big in 2009 & 2010 and One Direction became big in 2011. 1994-1996 borns were 12-17 years old during that time....of course you had 12-17 year old girls that were fan girling over One Direction and Justin Bieber.


Cusp in reality, but both of us along with DesiredUsernameNotTaken and Baltimorean are probably ultimately Z leaning because many sources start Z in 1995-1997, probably more than the ones that start it in 20010 and 2001.

I think that I'm a Y/Z cusper as well. I guess that us 1997-1999 borns do lean towards Gen Z. Being Gen Z currently seems to be better than being a Millennial. The only thing I don't like though is that many people think that us late '90s borns and people born in 2006, for example, are one in the same.

What's the last full Gen Y year to you?

1991.

I believe that core Millennials were born from 1986/1987-1991.

Yeah, it's certainly possible. My younger brother is a 1991 born and he has nostalgia for a lot of early '90s stuff like Aladdin, which is perhaps his favorite childhood movie even though it debuted before he was even 2.

When it comes to you guys born around 1993, I could certainly see you having liked some mid-'90s kid things that were still popular by 1996 or even 1997. Power Rangers was still fairly popular through late 1996 so you guys might remember that, and the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis were still producing popular games up through 1997. There are even a few kids born around 1992 or 1993 I know who's first console was a Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis. Golden Age Nick and Disney Renaissance were still major factors up through 1997, so you guys could probably remember that too.
Yeah, that's very true. I've seen comments from people in my age range saying they remember watching Power Rangers before Pokemon appeared as a major kid fad, and having either a Genesis or SNES as their first console in gaming. In fact, I recall seeing PR toys at home and in stores, and the SNES was my first home console. As for other two, that's true as well. I've read that both GA Nick and Disney Renaissance ended in 1998 and 1999 respectively giving us enough time to witness them.


The only thing I don't like though is that many people think that us late '90s borns and people born in 2006, for example, are one in the same.
That could change soon as they will sperate Gen Z into older and younger groups where you will be considered one of the older ones.


1991.

I believe that core Millennials were born from 1986/1987-1991.
Oh. I see. That's because you're using the three section grouping of a generation, and not the two I have been using for some time. Where do you start the Millennial generation?

Do we wish to know that?


No, sorry about that.  :-[

That could change soon as they will sperate Gen Z into older and younger groups where you will be considered one of the older ones.
That not going to be the case for at least another decade or so. Maybe even...never.


Oh. I see. That's because you're using the three section grouping of a generation, and not the two I have been using for some time. Where do you start the Millennial generation?

1982.

In my opinion:

*1982-1985/1986 borns are early Millennials.
*1986/1987-1991 borns are core Millennials.
*1992-1994 borns are Millennials but not full Gen Y.
*1995-2000 borns are cuspers of Y/Z. Depends on the individual on whether they lean towards Y or Z.

That not going to be the case for at least another decade or so. Maybe even...never.
1982.

In my opinion:

*1982-1985/1986 borns are early Millennials.
*1986/1987-1991 borns are core Millennials.
*1992-1994 borns are Millennials but not full Gen Y.
*1995-2000 borns are cuspers of Y/Z. Depends on the individual on whether they lean towards Y or Z.


Me personally:

1982-1987: First half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into the teen pop and nu-metal stuff the most)
1988-1993: Latter half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into emo the most)
1994-1996: Y/Z cusp with more Y (likely the ones that got into scene, electropop,and dubstep the most)
1997-1999: Y/Z cusp with more Z (likely the ones that got into trap and the 1D/5SOS craze the most)

Me personally:

1982-1987: First half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into the teen pop and nu-metal stuff the most)
1988-1993: Latter half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into emo the most)
1994-1996: Y/Z cusp with more Y (likely the ones that got into scene, electropop,and dubstep the most)
1997-1999: Y/Z cusp with more Z (likely the ones that got into trap and the 1D/5SOS craze the most)


What do you think about people born in 2000 then?

What do you think about people born in 2000 then?


I personally think that people born in 2000 are Gen Y/Z cusps as well. There's more things in favour of 2000'ers being Y/Z cusps then solely being Early Gen Z, in my opinion.

*  Were the last to experience their childhood during the Early, Mid & Late 2000's (using the 3-12 definition).
*  Can remember as far back as 2002.
*  Were born in the 20th Century.
*  Were in their core childhood in the Late 2000's, which was apart of peak Gen Y culture.
*  They only experienced one year of their core childhood in the 2010's.
*  Many are in the same class as 1999 babies.
*  Even if some of them are in the Class of 2019, they still started school when only '90s babies were in the higher year groups.

1991.

I believe that core Millennials were born from 1986/1987-1991.

I would say 1988 to 1991

Me personally:

1982-1987: First half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into the teen pop and nu-metal stuff the most)
1988-1993: Latter half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into emo the most)
1994-1996: Y/Z cusp with more Y (likely the ones that got into scene, electropop,and dubstep the most)
1997-1999: Y/Z cusp with more Z (likely the ones that got into trap and the 1D/5SOS craze the most)

That's not bad at all.


I personally think that people born in 2000 are Gen Y/Z cusps as well. There's more things in favour of 2000'ers being Y/Z cusps then solely being Early Gen Z, in my opinion.

*  Were the last to experience their childhood during the Early, Mid & Late 2000's (using the 3-12 definition).
*  Can remember as far back as 2002.
*  Were born in the 20th Century.
*  Were in their core childhood in the Late 2000's, which was apart of peak Gen Y culture.
*  They only experienced one year of their core childhood in the 2010's.
*  Many are in the same class as 1999 babies.
*  Even if some of them are in the Class of 2019, they still started school when only '90s babies were in the higher year groups.

Going by your definition of childhood (3-12) then, 2000 borns didn't have their childhoods end until 2012. That's 3 years into the 2010s (2010, 2011, 2012).


I would say 1988 to 1991

Eh, not that different from mine.

Me personally:

1982-1987: First half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into the teen pop and nu-metal stuff the most)
1988-1993: Latter half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into emo the most)
1994-1996: Y/Z cusp with more Y (likely the ones that got into scene, electropop,and dubstep the most)
1997-1999: Y/Z cusp with more Z (likely the ones that got into trap and the 1D/5SOS craze the most)

This is the most accurate and makes the most sense. Those of us actually born from those periods know the difference.

Even 88ers and 89ers caught the tail end of the nu metal, pop punk trends of the late 90s and early 00s.

Eh, not that different from mine.

Twos year difference. And the most accurate you can get.

A couple months ago, I ended up seeing a thread about people debating the boundaries of Gen X. The thread linked to a Google Groups from some Web debate from September 1993 and it featured people born from the mid '60s to early '70s and the people born in the mid '60s felt like people born after 1974 or people born in the late '70s aren't truly Gen X or aren't Gen X at all.

It's fascinating how we are having such debates like that almost 24 years later but now we're debating the boundaries of Gen Y aka Millennials. Somethings NEVER change.

Twos year difference. And the most accurate you can get.

Just a year. I'll just simplify it to 1987-1991 as core Millennials :P.

Going by your definition of childhood (3-12) then, 2000 borns didn't have their childhoods end until 2012. That's 3 years into the 2010s (2010, 2011, 2012).


*he said core childhood years

*he said core childhood years

Oh sh*t...yeah, you're right. My mistake.

Just a year. I'll just simplify it to 1987-1991 as core Millennials :P.

I wouldn't consider 87ers core either

I wouldn't consider 87ers core either

Well, I do :P.

Well, I do :P.

You can but it's not accurate  ;)

That not going to be the case for at least another decade or so. Maybe even...never.
1982.

In my opinion:

*1982-1985/1986 borns are early Millennials.
*1986/1987-1991 borns are core Millennials.
*1992-1994 borns are Millennials but not full Gen Y.
*1995-2000 borns are cuspers of Y/Z. Depends on the individual on whether they lean towards Y or Z.
Oh. Trust me, it WILL happen soon. If the Boomers, Gen X and Millennials can be split, then so can Gen Z.

I take in the bold that they are late Millennials pretty much, and your span seems a little off. Why is there more in the early group than the late?


A couple months ago, I ended up seeing a thread about people debating the boundaries of Gen X. The thread linked to a Google Groups from some Web debate from September 1993 and it featured people born from the mid-'60s to early '70s and the people born in the mid-'60s felt like people born after 1974 or people born in the late '70s aren't truly Gen X or aren't Gen X at all.

It's fascinating how we are having such debates like that almost 24 years later but now we're debating the boundaries of Gen Y aka Millennials. Some things NEVER change.
At that time, it did seem endless; however, it was finally determined in 1999. The debates about the boundaries of Gen Y will be over soon, and that we'll finally also see where the boundaries of Gen Z form. This can't go on forever.


Me personally:

1982-1987: First half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into the teen pop and nu-metal stuff the most)
1988-1993: Latter half of Millennials (likely the ones that got into emo the most)
1994-1996: Y/Z cusp with more Y (likely the ones that got into scene, electropop, and dubstep the most)
1997-1999: Y/Z cusp with more Z (likely the ones that got into trap and the 1D/5SOS craze the most)
I can agree with this list, and it does seem accurate. We'll have to see if this stays true in the future.

Oh. Trust me, it WILL happen soon. If the Boomers, Gen X and Millennials can be split, then so can Gen Z.
I hope you're right.


I take in the bold that they are late Millennials pretty much, and your span seems a little off. Why is there more in the early group than the late?
I didn't say that they weren't late Millennials per se...just not full Millennials.


At that time, it did seem endless; however, it was finally determined in 1999. The debates about the boundaries of Gen Y will be over soon, and that we'll finally also see where the boundaries of Gen Z form. This can't go on forever.
Debates on the boundaries of generations will go on FOREVER.

I didn't say that they weren't late Millennials per se...just, not full Millennials.
Debates on the boundaries of generations will go on FOREVER.
I know what you mean

No. I meant that debates about the boundaries of Gen Y and Gen Z won't go on forever, not that there won't be any more generational debates.

No. I meant that debates about the boundaries of Gen Y and Gen Z won't go on forever, not that there won't be any more generational debates.

Oh OK, you're right :P.

Oh OK, you're right :P.
I was just looking at an old thread from 2006, and they had the same generational debates we're having now where Gen Y ends at 1994 or '95 and Gen Z starts at around the same time. What do you think about it?

I was just looking at an old thread from 2006, and they had the same generational debates we're having now where Gen Y ends at 1994 or '95 and Gen Z starts at around the same time. What do you think about it?

We haven't moved very far from that position in 2017 :P.

We haven't moved very far from that position in 2017 :P.
Pretty much. I honestly think that's what most Millennials have said over the years going back to 2006 and possibly earlier. If you wanna know, I actually read a textbook in 2008 stating that Gen Y ended in 1994. It's pretty crazy how that is somewhat still true today. Oh, and I'll link the topic I found the discussion although were more from that year overall.

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=17997.0

Some of the reasons why they believed that 1994 would be of Gen Y is because they thought 1995 folks wouldn't remember the 20th century too well at all or the analog days. They discussed 9/11 where they would probably remember the event but not enough to comprehend it. The third aspect we never talk about could be that 1995 people would have liked the pop culture when they were 18 rather when they were in 10 or in middle school.

Pretty much. I honestly think that's what most Millennials have said over the years going back to 2006 and possibly earlier. If you wanna know, I actually read a textbook in 2008 stating that Gen Y ended in 1994. It's pretty crazy how that is somewhat still true today. Oh, and I'll link the topic I found the discussion although were more from that year overall.

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=17997.0

Some of the reasons why they believed that 1994 would be of Gen Y is because they thought 1995 folks wouldn't remember the 20th century too well at all or the analog days. They discussed 9/11 where they would probably remember the event but not enough to comprehend it. The third aspect we never talk about could be that 1995 people would have liked the pop culture when they were 18 rather when they were in 10 or in middle school.

One person used the 1979-1994 definition of Gen Y. It's interesting how today almost no one views late '70s borns as being Millennials.

One person used the 1979-1994 definition of Gen Y. It's interesting how today almost no one views late '70s borns as being Millennials.
Yeah, that's totally true. Now, it's usually 1980 or '81 with the 1994/95 cutoff; however, I wouldn't completely throw that away just yet. The late 70s as the start could be the majority again.

Yeah, that's totally true. Now, it's usually 1980 or '81 with the 1994/95 cutoff; however, I wouldn't completely throw that away just yet. The late 70s as the start could be the majority again.

Have you seen articles or whatever else that have done this?

Have you seen articles or whatever else that have done this?
I have seen some in the last few months.

I have seen some in the last few months.

Links?

Links?


https://aestheticdistance.com/blog//do-you-really-hate-milennials

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/021914/money-habits-millennials.asp

http://www.newsweek.com/30-20-millennials-grown-2017-adults-573148

http://www.innovairre.com/3634-2/

http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2017/04/30/business-groups-work-bring-millennials-boardroom/

https://www.glassdoor.com/employers/blog/gen-z-v-millennials-key-differences-recruiters-need-to-understand/

http://business.inquirer.net/233846/how-different-are-the-millennials

http://blog.aicpa.org/2017/05/11-things-you-need-to-know-about-your-millennial-co-workers.html#sthash.1H7TsQ7S.0T2QxIIK.dpbs

https://theemployergroup.com/millennials-and-generation-z-employees-in-the-workplace-hire-us/

https://helloalvin.com/millennials-and-gen-z-teens-want-and-get-healthcare-in-the-palm-of-their-hands/

http://outdoorpowerequipment.com/2017/05/23/upfront-millennial-movement/

https://www.iacet.org/news/iacet-blog/blog-articles/do-you-know-the-difference-between-generation-x-y-z/

http://bradley.edu/offices/student/scc/students/soft-skills-resources/soft-skills-presentations/understanding_generational_differences.pdf

http://www.workforce.com/2017/05/16/mental-health-takes-new-meaning-millennials-work/

https://www.standard.com/financial-professional/idi-connect/what-millennials-value-most-and-how-advise-them

https://aestheticdistance.com/blog//do-you-really-hate-milennials

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/021914/money-habits-millennials.asp

http://www.newsweek.com/30-20-millennials-grown-2017-adults-573148

http://www.innovairre.com/3634-2/

http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2017/04/30/business-groups-work-bring-millennials-boardroom/

https://www.glassdoor.com/employers/blog/gen-z-v-millennials-key-differences-recruiters-need-to-understand/

http://business.inquirer.net/233846/how-different-are-the-millennials

http://blog.aicpa.org/2017/05/11-things-you-need-to-know-about-your-millennial-co-workers.html#sthash.1H7TsQ7S.0T2QxIIK.dpbs

https://theemployergroup.com/millennials-and-generation-z-employees-in-the-workplace-hire-us/

https://helloalvin.com/millennials-and-gen-z-teens-want-and-get-healthcare-in-the-palm-of-their-hands/

http://outdoorpowerequipment.com/2017/05/23/upfront-millennial-movement/

https://www.iacet.org/news/iacet-blog/blog-articles/do-you-know-the-difference-between-generation-x-y-z/

http://bradley.edu/offices/student/scc/students/soft-skills-resources/soft-skills-presentations/understanding_generational_differences.pdf

http://www.workforce.com/2017/05/16/mental-health-takes-new-meaning-millennials-work/

https://www.standard.com/financial-professional/idi-connect/what-millennials-value-most-and-how-advise-them

Well....this is further proves that there is absolutely NO consensus on the boundaries of Gen Y.

https://aestheticdistance.com/blog//do-you-really-hate-milennials

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/021914/money-habits-millennials.asp

http://www.newsweek.com/30-20-millennials-grown-2017-adults-573148

http://www.innovairre.com/3634-2/

http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2017/04/30/business-groups-work-bring-millennials-boardroom/

https://www.glassdoor.com/employers/blog/gen-z-v-millennials-key-differences-recruiters-need-to-understand/

http://business.inquirer.net/233846/how-different-are-the-millennials

http://blog.aicpa.org/2017/05/11-things-you-need-to-know-about-your-millennial-co-workers.html#sthash.1H7TsQ7S.0T2QxIIK.dpbs

https://theemployergroup.com/millennials-and-generation-z-employees-in-the-workplace-hire-us/

https://helloalvin.com/millennials-and-gen-z-teens-want-and-get-healthcare-in-the-palm-of-their-hands/

http://outdoorpowerequipment.com/2017/05/23/upfront-millennial-movement/

https://www.iacet.org/news/iacet-blog/blog-articles/do-you-know-the-difference-between-generation-x-y-z/

http://bradley.edu/offices/student/scc/students/soft-skills-resources/soft-skills-presentations/understanding_generational_differences.pdf

http://www.workforce.com/2017/05/16/mental-health-takes-new-meaning-millennials-work/

https://www.standard.com/financial-professional/idi-connect/what-millennials-value-most-and-how-advise-them


Judging by the cutoff points for these articles it safe to say that if you were born in 1993 & earlier (as early as the late 70's obviously) you'd be Y, while if you were born after 1997 you'd be Z. It seems like most sources cutoff Y in 1994/5 & 7, so those born from 1994-1997 are in some sort of weird cusp zone.

This is actually very intriguing, because on a different forum site I made a thread about a couple of years ago asking people on the board if they considered 1994-1997 borns as Y or Z.

http://personalitycafe.com/generation-y-forum/519226-do-you-consider-those-born-1994-1997-gen-y-gen-z.html

As you could see in the answers via the poll, most people voted mid 90's babies as Late Yers, however there was a decent amount that voted them as early Zers (the percentage was 64% Y, 35% Z). There was about 170 voters, so while just a handful of people (100 people is still a lot though), it is an important variable to take into consideration, the reasonably scientific analysis that I was able to discern.

One reason many people (including myself) vouched for 1994-1997 borns being Y was mainly due to the fact that we were the last to have any memories of the 20th century, 9/11, the early 2000's in general, The Internet (or should I say World Wide Web ;D) during Web 1.0 before Web 2.0, analog & transitional technologies like cassettes, CDs, VHS, Disposable Cameras, Camcorders, etc. among other reasons.

It's still too early to determine when Gen Z starts. Once Early 2000's babies all reach the age of 18, I think the boundaries for the Millennials will be much more precise. Until then, it's really just a guessing game as to when the generation starts and finishes. If someone born in 1999 or 2000 identifies themselves as being a Millennial, they have the right to. At this stage, you can't just draw a line and say, "right, you were born after 1997, you're not a Millennial".

Honestly, I just cant fathom mid '90s babies as being Gen Z. They're only like 6-9 years younger than me, which is way too close age wise to seem like a totally different generation. Mid '90s babies were the little kids of the late '90s when I was still a kid myself. My neighbor during the late '90s was a boy born 1993 and used to come over and play with me and my brother during that time even though we were older. We still have fond memories of playing Super Nintendo and Nintendo 64, trading Pokemon cards, and watching Toonami during the late '90s. He certainly seems too close to me age wise to be Gen Z.

Perhaps I could possibly see late '90s babies as Gen Z because there's a much larger age gap there, but even they still seem to have enough Gen Y traits that I can relate to. As I've said before, early '00s babies are the oldest people that truly seem like a different generation to me.

Honestly, I just cant fathom mid '90s babies as being Gen Z. They're only like 6-9 years younger than me, which is way too close age wise to seem like a totally different generation. Mid '90s babies were the little kids of the late '90s when I was still a kid myself. My neighbor during the late '90s was a boy born 1993 and used to come over and play with me and my brother during that time even though we were older. We still have fond memories of playing Super Nintendo and Nintendo 64, trading Pokemon cards, and watching Toonami during the late '90s. He certainly seems too close to me age wise to be Gen Z.

Perhaps I could possibly see late '90s babies as Gen Z because there's a much larger age gap there, but even they still seem to have enough Gen Y traits that I can relate to. As I've said before, early '00s babies are the oldest people that truly seem like a different generation to me.


I agree man, this is how I personally see it:

Mid 90's Babies (B. 1993/1994-1996) = Late Y, with some Z tendencies

Late 90's Babies (B. 1996/1997-1999) = Core Y/Z Cusps, some lean more Y, others lean more Z

Early 00's Babies (B. 1999/2000-2002) = Early Z, with some Y tendencies

Honestly, I just cant fathom mid '90s babies as being Gen Z. They're only like 6-9 years younger than me, which is way too close age wise to seem like a totally different generation. Mid '90s babies were the little kids of the late '90s when I was still a kid myself. My neighbor during the late '90s was a boy born 1993 and used to come over and play with me and my brother during that time even though we were older. We still have fond memories of playing Super Nintendo and Nintendo 64, trading Pokemon cards, and watching Toonami during the late '90s. He certainly seems too close to me age wise to be Gen Z.

Perhaps I could possibly see late '90s babies as Gen Z because there's a much larger age gap there, but even they still seem to have enough Gen Y traits that I can relate to. As I've said before, early '00s babies are the oldest people that truly seem like a different generation to me.


When talking about Gen Y kid culture I generally see it as anywhere from 1988 to about 2004 or, any whereabouts. 1985-1988 was the X/Y Kid cultural transition, while 2004-2007 was the Y/Z kid cultural transition. The Z kid culture came in full force by the 2007-2008 school year, similar to how Y kid culture came in full force by the 1988-1989 school year.


I see the different Y periods in kid culture like this:



Early Y Kid Culture being from 1988-1993, this commercial break from back in the Spring of 1990 is a good representation:

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At this point those born from 1978-1987 were in their childhoods, those born from 1981-1984 were in their core childhoods aka 'Cold War Era Y'




Core Y Kid Culture from 1993-1999, this commercial break from back in the Summer of 1996 is a good representation:

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At this point those born from 1984-1993 were in their core childhoods, with those born from 1987-1990 being in their core childhoods aka 'NAFTA Era Y'




Late Y Kid Culture from 1999-2004, this commercial break from back in the Autumn of 2002 is a good representation:

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At this point those born from 1990-1999 were in their core childhoods, with those born from 1993-1996 being in their core childhoods aka '9/11 Era Y'

Well....this further proves that there is absolutely NO consensus on the boundaries of Gen Y.
Well, like I said before there will finally be a consensus on the boundaries of Gen Y sooner or later. This won't last forever like it has been for the past 11-13 years.


Judging by the cutoff points for these articles it safe to say that if you were born in 1993 & earlier (as early as the late 70's obviously) you'd be Y, while if you were born after 1997 you'd be Z. It seems like most sources cut off Y in 1994/5 & 7, so those born from 1994-1997 are in some sort of weird cusp zone.

This is actually very intriguing because on a different forum site I made a thread about a couple of years ago asking people on the board if they considered 1994-1997 borns as Y or Z.

http://personalitycafe.com/generation-y-forum/519226-do-you-consider-those-born-1994-1997-gen-y-gen-z.html

As you could see in the answers via the poll, most people voted mid 90's babies as Late Yers, however, there was a decent amount that voted them as early Zers (the percentage was 64% Y, 35% Z). There were about 170 voters, so while just a handful of people (100 people is still a lot though), it is an important variable to take into consideration, the reasonable scientific analysis that I was able to discern.

One reason many people (including myself) vouched for 1994-1997 borns being Y was mainly due to the fact that we were the last to have any memories of the 20th century, 9/11, the early 2000's in general, The Internet (or should I say World Wide Web ;D) during Web 1.0 before Web 2.0, analog & transitional technologies like cassettes, CDs, VHS, Disposable Cameras, Camcorders, etc. among other reasons.
Yeah, pretty much. Every article I encounter seems to have the cutoffs between 1994-1997, and not anywhere later that some others are saying.  As I said before, the debates on Gen Y WILL be ending soon especially since this had been going on for the past 11-13 years.

As for your second statement, I agree with everything you said except for one thing. The only problem with the analog technologies is that are we going by when they were common or when they were still available before becoming obsolete?


Honestly, I just can't fathom mid-'90s babies as being Gen Z. They're only like 6-9 years younger than me, which is way too close age wise to seem like a totally different generation. Mid-'90s babies were the little kids of the late '90s when I was still a kid myself. My neighbor during the late '90s was a boy born 1993 and used to come over and play with me and my brother during that time even though we were older. We still have fond memories of playing Super Nintendo and Nintendo 64, trading Pokemon cards, and watching Toonami during the late '90s. He certainly seems too close to me age wise to be Gen Z.

Perhaps I could possibly see late '90s babies as Gen Z because there's a much larger age gap there, but even they still seem to have enough Gen Y traits that I can relate to. As I've said before, early '00s babies are the oldest people that truly seem like a different generation to me.
Yeah, it's a tough decision man. Everything you said pretty much qualifies mid-90s people as Gen Y, but the problem is that sources are not using childhood fads to determine the cutoffs rather they are going on technology, events, characteristics and so on.


It's still too early to determine when Gen Z starts. Once Early 2000's babies all reach the age of 18, I think the boundaries for the Millennials will be much more precise. Until then, it's really just a guessing game as to when the generation starts and finishes. If someone born in 1999 or 2000 identifies themselves as being a Millennial, they have the right to. At this stage, you can't just draw a line and say, "right, you were born after 1997, you're not a Millennial".
Well, the Gen Z debate has been going on for the past 11-13 years now. This is unfortunately nothing new. Back in 2004 to '06, there were people on here and on other sites saying that Gen Y ended in 1994-95, and even sometimes much earlier. Like ReignMan said, that position today still hasn't changed. Hell, I even went back in time to search for old articles, and I this is what I found.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/opinion/13herbert.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21shelf.html

http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2008/04/the_millennials.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-greenberg-and-karl-weber/the-millennials-americas_b_126205.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/01/AR2008020102826.html

https://www.cpcc.edu/millennial

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-millennials-are-coming/

http://web.csulb.edu/divisions/students2/intouch/archives/2007-08/vol16_no1/01.htm

http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/summer2006/cover/millenials.html

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/how-will-millennials-manage

http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/millennials/2007/

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/series/the-millennial-generation/

http://www.bolde.com/8-defining-experiences-millennials-have-been-through/

http://adage.com/article/news/generation/55731/

http://www.newsweek.com/now-its-time-generation-next-162866

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90798

http://www.sociologia.unimib.it/DATA/Insegnamenti/17_4331/materiale/bigicorving.pdf

http://adage.com/article/american-demographics/inside-gen-y/43704/

https://www.c-span.org/video/?161021-1/millennials-rising

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owwM6FpWWoQ


I agree with you man, this is how I personally see it:

Mid 90's Babies (B. 1993/1994-1996) = Late Y, with some Z tendencies

Late 90's Babies (B. 1996/1997-1999) = Core Y/Z Cusps, some lean more Y, others lean more Z

Early 00's Babies (B. 1999/2000-2002) = Early Z, with some Y tendencies
Where do you see the beginning of the generation?


When talking about Gen Y kid culture I generally see it as anywhere from 1988 to about 2004 or, any whereabouts. 1985-1988 was the X/Y Kid cultural transition, while 2004-2007 was the Y/Z kid cultural transition. The Z kid culture came in full force by the 2007-2008 school year, similar to how Y kid culture came in full force by the 1988-1989 school year.


I see the different Y periods in kid culture like this:



Early Y Kid Culture being from 1988-1993, this commercial break from back in the Spring of 1990 is a good representation:

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At this point those born from 1978-1987 were in their childhoods, those born from 1981-1984 were in their core childhoods aka 'Cold War Era Y'




Core Y Kid Culture from 1993-1999, this commercial break from back in the Summer of 1996 is a good representation:

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At this point, those born from 1984-1993 were in their core childhoods, with those born from 1987-1990 being in their core childhoods aka 'NAFTA Era Y'




Late Y Kid Culture from 1999-2004, this commercial break from back in the Autumn of 2002 is a good representation:

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At this point, those born from 1990-1999 were in their core childhoods, with those born from 1993-1996 being in their core childhoods aka '9/11 Era Y'
This is a great analysis of the Gen Y childhood culture, and those videos are a good representation of which era of Gen Y is was. The only problem so far is when does the Millennial generation start and end? Out of all articles I have read (including the old ones), the consensus seems to be between about 1977/78 and 1994/95. That means that childhood of Gen Y could have begun sometime in 1986 and ended around the time you said.

I'm currently straddling the thought that I will be classified as an older member of Gen Z.

I guess that us born in the late '90s have to just accept it and realize that a lot of the characteristics of Gen Z does not completely define us and our childhoods.

I'm currently straddling the thought that I will be classified as an older member of Gen Z.

I guess that us born in the late '90s have to just accept it and realize that a lot of the characteristics of Gen Z does not completely define us and our childhoods.
Don't worry man. The traits of Gen Z will change soon. They're going to realize that not everyone in the generation grew up with smartphones and social media.

Don't worry man. The traits of Gen Z will change soon. They're going to realize that not everyone in the generation grew up with smartphones and social media.

Not everyone but those are the defining characteristics of Gen Z and by and large those characteristics are true.

That's why I was saying that us late '90s borns just have to tough it out and realize that many of those characteristics don't really pertain us.

Yeah, pretty much. Every article I encounter seems to have the cutoffs between 1994-1997, and not anywhere later that some others are saying.  As I said before, the debates on Gen Y WILL be ending soon especially since this had been going on for the past 11-13 years.
Where do you see the beginning of the generation?


Personally I see the generation spanning from 1980-1998 or so. 1980 is the ultimate X/Y Cusp year, 1998 is the ultimate Y/Z Cusp year. However, I'm okay with the generation being from 1982-2000, 1980-1994, or 1981-1996, as they are all pretty reasonable and provide the best insight on what the Millennial generation is about:


2000 is a good cutoff since they were the last to be born in the 20th century, it coincides nicely with the Chinese zodiac, last to be born during the demographic 'Echo Boom', to spend most of their childhoods prior to the 2008 crash, maybe the last to easily remember life before social media became common, last to spend most of their youth prior to the 2016 election

1994 is a good cutoff since they were the last to be born in the first half of the 90's, to vividly remember the 90's & Y2K, last to be in their teens in the core 2000's, last to graduate high school before the Y/Z transition

1996 is a good cutoff since they were the last to be born in the mid 90's, last to vividly remember 9/11 & a pre 9/11 world, last to be at their peak childhood in the Y era of Kid Culture, Last to be in their teens in the 2000's, last to graduate high school in the first half of the 10's


When it pertains to starting the Millennial generation, I'm not the biggest fan of starting the generation in the Late 70's as they had too many experiences of childhood in the early-mid 80's, and youthood in the late 80's/early-mid 90's to be Y. Also, most sources these days seem to start the generation in the early 80's anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

Quotes from wikipedia:

"Millennials (also known as Generation Y) are the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when this cohort starts or ends; demographers and researchers typically use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years."


"A minority of demographers and researchers start the generation in the mid-to-late 1970s, such as Synchrony Financial which describes Millennials as starting as early as 1976, Mobilize.org which uses 1976–1996, MetLife which uses birth dates ranging from 1977–1994, and Nielsen Media Research which uses 1977–1995."


"The majority of researchers and demographers start the generation in the early 1980s, with many ending the generation in the mid-1990s. Australia's McCrindle Research regards 1980–1994 as Generation Y birth years. A 2013 PricewaterhouseCoopers report and Edelman Berland use 1980–1995. Gallup Inc., Eventbrite and Dale Carnegie Training and MSW Research all use 1980–1996. Ernst and Young uses 1981–1996. Manpower Group uses 1982–1996."


"Others end the generation in the late 1990s or early 2000s. A 2017 viral video from BuzzFeed, detailing the seven living generations of Americans, described Millennials as those born between 1981–1997. On the American television program Survivor, for their 33rd season, subtitled Millennials vs. Gen X, the "Millennial tribe" consisted of individuals born between 1984 and 1997. Goldman Sachs, Resolution Foundation, and a 2013 Time magazine cover story all use 1980–2000. SYZYGY, a digital service agency partially owned by WPP, uses 1981–1998, and the United States Census Bureau uses 1982–2000. Pew Research Center defines Millennials as being born from 1981 onwards, with no chronological end point set yet."


As you can see, only a few sources these days begin Y in the 70's. Most seem to start Y in the early 80's, usually around 1980 or 1981, and end Y in the mid 90's 1994-1997, or the early 2000's, the year 2000 itself.

I think the issue with your analysis is that the sources your referencing are using older information (primarily from 10 or more years ago), when in fact theres been more studies in recent years to suggest that those born in the Late 70's & VERY Early 80's are Late Gen X, or at best are on a cusp between X & Millennials.

While I agree that the ending date for Millennials seems to have stayed consistent for the last 10 years (that being 1994/5-1996/7), the start date has most certainly been pushed further. Now whether you personally agree with that is subjective and is your own opinion, but regardless most researches, demographers, & sociologists seem to start the generation in the early 80's.