Daffy Duck/Speedy Gonzales... what were they thinking!  ::)

Most Silly Symphonies cartoons I've seen are boring despite that they're well animated. Though I like a few like "Three Little Pigs" and "Elmer Elephant"

Most animation buffs dislike Chuck Jones "Tom & Jerry", but the worst would be the cartoons from the 1970's (not sure if they were theatrical or made for tv) with the pair as friends

Thank you, it's been a long while since I've even seen the episode.

Of course, any guy that stoops to doing that shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Edit: I now remember something from a song intro: Now there difference between humans and animals that you should know about... (or something like that)

Extra edit: I want to see part of the episode, I'll have to look it up though. It's seems unusual that 4kids would let that line be used.(Bad time for me not to have my headphones)

Edit: How did you find that post on that site? I can't get it to come up on google... I've tried  several word combinations and no success.


I googled "Bye Bye Butterfree" Quote  I had to google it because I have the quote on my computer at home but I was at work at the time.

That sort of thing just flies over kids heads. It flew over mine.  :o I thought Misty was just using her battle experiences as a metaphor to help Butterfree "hook up". After all, they are Pokemon and they're meant to fight each other. You're probably just looking too much into that episode.

If it actually convinced a person to use violence against women then that person must have been f'ed up to begin with.


It lays a foundation... not that the kids recognize at the time but still that information gets stored in the subconscious.  We are a country steeped in pop culture. Everyday someone uses some pop culture reference to illustrate their point. We quote lines from favorite shows and have these images stuck in our heads. So it's not reaching to say that some boy somewhere saw this episode and will subconsciously refer to the subtext when trying to "woo" some girl.... it's a bad message to send- period. 

All the religious "right" who were concerned about the  "homosexual" subtext of Teletubbies (and now Spongebob) seem to overlook things like this.  In 2000 I remember hearing on the radio that the Pope gave his seal of approval to Pokemon (Bye Bye Butterfree aired in 1998.  Apparently he was talking about the video games but you have to already approve of the primary source if you are going to endorse the products that follow it.
The Vatican has announced that the trading-card and computer-game versions of  Pokémon are "full of inventive imagination," have no "harmful moral side effects" and celebrate "ties of intense friendship." Whether that extends to the TV show, His Holiness didn't say.

they also forgot Dora the Explorer and Go Diego Go...

I googled "Bye Bye Butterfree" Quote  I had to google it because I have the quote on my computer at home but I was at work at the time.


That's what I did before(minus the word Quote)... and while it had the site that had the quote on there, it just led to the front. I went to serebii(a pokemon site I go to from time to time) and looked it up on the episode information. Assert is one of the words(although it didn't have a script, just a play by play of the episode).

;)


That sort of thing just flies over kids heads. It flew over mine.  :o I thought Misty was just using her battle experiences as a metaphor to help Butterfree "hook up". After all, they are Pokemon and they're meant to fight each other. You're probably just looking too much into that episode.

If it actually convinced a person to use violence against women then that person must have been f'ed up to begin with.


In Misty's case, assert might actually be sort of in the direction of showing off it's moves, but not actually using them on the Butterfree it likes.


It lays a foundation... not that the kids recognize at the time but still that information gets stored in the subconscious.  We are a country steeped in pop culture. Everyday someone uses some pop culture reference to illustrate their point. We quote lines from favorite shows and have these images stuck in our heads. So it's not reaching to say that some boy somewhere saw this episode and will subconsciously refer to the subtext when trying to "woo" some girl.... it's a bad message to send- period. 

All the religious "right" who were concerned about the  "homosexual" subtext of Teletubbies (and now Spongebob) seem to overlook things like this.  In 2000 I remember hearing on the radio that the Pope gave his seal of approval to Pokemon (Bye Bye Butterfree aired in 1998.  Apparently he was talking about the video games but you have to already approve of the primary source if you are going to endorse the products that follow it.
The Vatican has announced that the trading-card and computer-game versions of  Pokémon are "full of inventive imagination," have no "harmful moral side effects" and celebrate "ties of intense friendship." Whether that extends to the TV show, His Holiness didn't say.



Hmm.. Kinda tricky to determine. But I kinda agree with Haynsoul. It's true that these things can have an affect, but it whether or not it really causes the problem to happen is unknown. This sort of debate also exists in video games as well, but there are many factors that make really difficult to pinpoint a single form of media(TV, video games, music, etc.).... There have been many studies on different forms of media and the affects on the human mind, but most haven't had a clear answer.

In Misty's case, assert might actually be sort of in the direction of showing off it's moves, but not actually using them on the Butterfree it likes.



Quotes:  "be assertive", "use your powers"  & "take her while she's stunned"  nothing there implies using the powers just to show off. They are advising him to use the powers on her.

I under what you are saying about the video games but the difference is the video games are directed for a mature audience. This pokemon episode was intended for young children.

The new cat cartoon on ABC Family  ::) :P

. SpongeBob SquarePants

...one of the most overhyped cartoon of recent times

I don't know. I remember some of the earlier ones being pretty funny and imaginative.
And 2004's "The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie" was on the tele a couple of weeks ago. Not bad actually.

It's just nice to see someone (a character) portrayed that likes his/her job.


I can't stand SBSP, but it's not the worst.
I can't stand Rugrats, but it's not the worst.
I can't stand Ed, Edd, and Eddy, but it's not the worst.
I love "L'il Bush" but only because I can't stand the Bush administration.

The worst cartoons were in the '80s, pre-Simpsons.  Deregulation allowed all kinds of toy and breakfast cereal tie-ins.  It was the cartoon selling the plastic and sugar.    You know which ones I'm talking about, and one is just about as awful as another.  I would say the absolute nadir of the nadir of cartoons was Muppet Babies.  It lasted six horrible years from 1984--1990.  Unbelievable.
::)

Quotes:  "be assertive", "use your powers"  & "take her while she's stunned"  nothing there implies using the powers just to show off. They are advising him to use the powers on her.

I under what you are saying about the video games but the difference is the video games are directed for a mature audience. This pokemon episode was intended for young children.


I finally remember what happened in that episode. All butterfree did was show off his moves to the female butterfree (which is what Misty actually meant). He didn't attack her at all. I'm assuming the "take her while she's stunned" is supposed to mean, "ask her out while she's still impressed".

There was also the scene where team rocket tries to steal the female butterfree but Ash's butterfree is able to rescue her all by himself. That's when she falls in love with him.

There's no way that could have sent a negative message.

I liked "Muppet Babies"  :D

Though I was a a toddler/small child

I liked "Muppet Babies"  :D

Though I was a a toddler/small child

I used to call it "Muppet Rabies."
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/10/vuur1.gif

American Dad

Freekazoid

American Dad


The rhythm and delivery of that show reminds me of the old Firesign Theater records

EXCEPT

It's not funny.
:(

I love "L'il Bush" but only because I can't stand the Bush administration.

::)


;D



The worst cartoons were in the '80s, pre-Simpsons.  Deregulation allowed all kinds of toy and breakfast cereal tie-ins.  It was the cartoon selling the plastic and sugar.    You know which ones I'm talking about, and one is just about as awful as another.  I would say the absolute nadir of the nadir of cartoons was Muppet Babies.  It lasted six horrible years from 1984--1990.  Unbelievable.
::)


Sorry but I kinda liked the Muppet Babies.. Baby Fozzie was cute and baby animal lol

The Flintstones wasn't the worst, but it was pretty rotten. 

If only we could send Gary Larson back in time to be Hanna-Barbera's script consultant....
But I don't know if the TV-viewing public was ready for that in 1968!
;)

http://www.80scartoons.net/images/b/barbievideo.jpg

awful Jem & The Holograms rip-off.

i also can't stand sponge bob....

and i also hate bush with a passion, but lil' bush is awfully contrived.

awful Jem & The Holograms rip-off.

Yeah...that looks pretty awful!

and doesn't barbie look like elizabeth berkley (jessica spano on saved by the bell, and of showgirl fame)?

"Naratu", anime and also the title character has the same hair style as Lisa Simpson  ::)

"Naratu", anime and also the title character has the same hair style as Lisa Simpson  ::)


Naruto?

I love Naruto, but that's also because of the fact that I love ninjas.

Yes, and sorry for the mispelling  :-[

While I agree that the "Scrappy Doo" cartoons aren't all that great, there's got to be others worse than that. I mean, there were without a doubt some bad cartoons in the '80s, but the cartoons from this decade are way worse. IMO there should be way more post 2000 cartoons on here.

Yes, and sorry for the mispelling  :-[


Don't worry about it. ;)

I only asked to make sure(for all I know there could have been a cartoon under spelled the way you asked it).

46. King of the Hill

What?  King of the Hill is great.  Early on it had a very unique, subtle sense of humor.  Now it's turning crappy like the Simpsons did about eight years ago, with more outrageous plots and slapstick stuff.  Guess they are running out of ideas.

That said the first 4 or 5 seasons were genius.  Lots of clever jokes, hidden gags, etc...classic Mike Judge.  (I think that's actually the reason some people don't like the show - a lot of the humor isn't obvious)

The rhythm and delivery of (( American Dad )) reminds me of the old Firesign Theater records

EXCEPT

It's not funny. :(


"Why do you hate America?!?!" :)

OK, it's not as funny as the 22-minutes-of-non-sequitur (oh, the huge Manatees) that made Family Guy wonderful, but I think American Dad is some of the best political satire to come down the pipe.  (And before you ask, yes, I'm still laughing at Stan, not with him :)  If you crossed Archie Bunker with Al Bundy, you'd get Stan Smith. 

"But that'd never happen, because Al and Archie would know never to produce offspring out of marriage!  And not to get married just because they wanted to produce offspring!  Which they couldn't!  And they'd also know not to get married just to adopt a child!  Which they don't!  Okay?  Nine-eleven!"

What?  King of the Hill is great.  Early on it had a very unique, subtle sense of humor.  Now it's turning crappy like the Simpsons did about eight years ago, with more outrageous plots and slapstick stuff.  Guess they are running out of ideas.

That said the first 4 or 5 seasons were genius.  Lots of clever jokes, hidden gags, etc...classic Mike Judge.  (I think that's actually the reason some people don't like the show - a lot of the humor isn't obvious)

"King of the Hill" is more like an animated sit-com than a "cartoon."

Too often sit-com dads are at the extremes:  They're either preachy know-it-alls, such Ward Cleaver and Cliff Huxtable--
Or they're clueless buffoons, such as Archie Bunker and Al Bundy.

Hank Hill is more balanced.  He's neither the father who knew best all along nor the last guy on the program to figure it out.  Sometimes he's stubborn and rigid but other times he shows wisdom and sensibility. 

The characters on Beavis and Butt-head were carictures, whereas King of the Hill allowed Mike Judge to develop his little Texas world.

"Why do you hate America?!?!" :)

OK, it's not as funny as the 22-minutes-of-non-sequitur (oh, the huge Manatees) that made Family Guy wonderful, but I think American Dad is some of the best political satire to come down the pipe.  (And before you ask, yes, I'm still laughing at Stan, not with him :)  If you crossed Archie Bunker with Al Bundy, you'd get Stan Smith. 

"But that'd never happen, because Al and Archie would know never to produce offspring out of marriage!  And not to get married just because they wanted to produce offspring!  Which they couldn't!  And they'd also know not to get married just to adopt a child!  Which they don't!  Okay?  Nine-eleven!"


My favorite episode is the sex education. I thought that one was pretty funny.

Best film ending... ever.  ;D

Best film ending... ever.  ;D


I remember watching it with my cousin, when it got to that part, he said: I bet you didn't see that coming.

Maybe because I'm old, but "Chowder" is garbage  8-P

Oddly, the title character reminds me of Eek! the Cat by it's appearance (but with middle ages type clothes).

South Park.  I just watched a bit of this, and I still can't understand how this cartoon has been on so long.  It's sooooooooo stupid

South Park.  I just watched a bit of this, and I still can't understand how this cartoon has been on so long.  It's sooooooooo stupid


I used to watch it, but haven't really seen it in awhile....

I agree that it's overrated abit, but I have enjoyed it.

South Park.  I just watched a bit of this, and I still can't understand how this cartoon has been on so long.  It's sooooooooo stupid


***Caution: some or all of what you are about to read might be stone bullsh#t!"

Here's why I like it.  In the three main characters you've got  the three main components of the Freudian mind structure:

Stan is the Ego
Kyle is the Superego
Cartman is the Id

Sometimes Stan and Kyle reverse roles, but most importantly, it is Cartman the Id who is forever leading the Ego (Stan or Kyle) down the path of dissolution and destruction, and thus the Superego must intervene. 

Just as Satan is the most fascinating figure in Milton's "Paradise Lost," Cartman is the reason we all tune into South Park.  It's simple.  Without the evil, we don't have a story. 

In more peripheral characters we find other personalities we know.  Kenny is the hard luck case.  No matter what goes down, Kenny is f**ked.  Like so many young men from the hardscrabble side of town, Kenny is razzed because his family is poor and dies young in a fight or a terrible accident.

Butters.  Butters is the good guy.  Butters is not the valiant hero so much as he is the good soul who faces intimidation from both his parents and his peers.  He's kind of a nervous and frightened person, but in the end he musters up the courage to stand up for what's right. 

It's all up to how you look at it really.

In my family, all the guys love South Park and all the women hate South Park.  Some of the excessive vulgarity on South Park is indeed filler for weak scripting.  However,  some of it is handeled brilliantly.  By rights, I shoul hate South Park because it's so primitive and scatological, and I would if it was not so well done.

The one I really hate is "Drawn Together."

Oh, and Casper.  Casper really blows!

***Caution: some or all of what you are about to read might be stone bullsh#t!"

Here's why I like it.  In the three main characters you've got  the three main components of the Freudian mind structure:

Stan is the Ego
Kyle is the Superego
Cartman is the Id

Sometimes Stan and Kyle reverse roles, but most importantly, it is Cartman the Id who is forever leading the Ego (Stan or Kyle) down the path of dissolution and destruction, and thus the Superego must intervene. 

Just as Satan is the most fascinating figure in Milton's "Paradise Lost," Cartman is the reason we all tune into South Park.  It's simple.  Without the evil, we don't have a story. 

In more peripheral characters we find other personalities we know.  Kenny is the hard luck case.  No matter what goes down, Kenny is f**ked.  Like so many young men from the hardscrabble side of town, Kenny is razzed because his family is poor and dies young in a fight or a terrible accident.

Butters.  Butters is the good guy.  Butters is not the valiant hero so much as he is the good soul who faces intimidation from both his parents and his peers.  He's kind of a nervous and frightened person, but in the end he musters up the courage to stand up for what's right. 

It's all up to how you look at it really.

In my family, all the guys love South Park and all the women hate South Park.  Some of the excessive vulgarity on South Park is indeed filler for weak scripting.  However,  some of it is handeled brilliantly.  By rights, I shoul hate South Park because it's so primitive and scatological, and I would if it was not so well done.

The one I really hate is "Drawn Together."

Oh, and Casper.  Casper really blows!


I used to like South Park for all the reasons you mentioned.

I also liked that it was edgy and controversial... I didn't mind the episode where Cartman dresses as Hitler and a Klansman in search of the perfect Halloween costume.  I should have been offended (particularly by the Klansman in my case) but I wasn't because I understood that Cartman meant no malice in doing this he was just looking for the scariest costume he could find....

However, I turned off the episode where Mr Garrison cried because he believed his father didn't love him. What was his proof? His father never molested him!  http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/04/eek2.gif

I couldn't believe that someone (especially an educator) would complain about not being molested.... I found that highly offensive.  I haven't watched an episode since!

Here's my top-10 worse and why....

10-Simpsons. You had good seasons between 1990-2002, but since 2002 the jokes wore so thin that I didn't laugh at one episode. The Simpsons movie kicked-ass though.

9-Ren and Stimpy. I'm sorry, but I never grew up with this show and even if I did see it I would say "What the hell...?"

8-Earthworm Jim. It really wasn't funny.

7-Story of the Brothers Grunt. I saw it...and I don't want to see it again.

6-Dora the Explorer. Is she really learning our kids?

5-Scooby Doo. His shows are overused and they are basically doo-doo.

4-Spongebob Squarepants. 'Nuff Said.

3-Any Disney Reincarnate Show. Mickey Mouse Works, House of Mouse, and Mickey Mouse Clubhouse really sucked Disney dry.

2-Any Looney Tunes Reincarnate show. Duck Dodgers was okay, but it was ruined with Baby Looney Tunes and Loonatics Unleashed. Never desecrate with Looney Tunes!

1-Any Japanamation cartoon. It had to start with Pokemon!

I haven't watched an episode since!


South Park Episodes.

The deal with South Park is that you have to expect that even your particular ox will be gored from time to time, and to take it in stride. 

You've been missing out.  The three-part "Imaginationland", airing just a couple of weeks ago was epic.  Seasons 10 and 11 are some of the best work that Matt and Trey have ever done. 

If you watch nothing else, watch Season 9, Episode 12, "Trapped in the Closet", for which, ten years ago, people got sued for so much as talking about.  (And it explains why Chef had to leave the series, since he was part of the cult whose secret teachings were exposed :)

For sheer laughs, Season 10, Episode 8, "Make Love, Not Warcraft" is probably the funniest episode they've ever done, especially if you (or someone you know) has ever played WoW.

South Park Episodes.


If you watch nothing else, watch Season 9, Episode 12, "Trapped in the Closet", for which, ten years ago, people got sued for so much as talking about.  (And it explains why Chef had to leave the series, since he was part of the cult whose secret teachings were exposed :)

For sheer laughs, Season 10, Episode 8, "Make Love, Not Warcraft" is probably the funniest episode they've ever done, especially if you (or someone you know) has ever played WoW.


That's the Tom Cruise one right? I remember hearing about it... Yeah okay I might with this strike and all the good tv shows are gonna dry up soon anyway so I'll need some filler.

South Park Episodes.

The deal with South Park is that you have to expect that even your particular ox will be gored from time to time, and to take it in stride. 

You've been missing out.  The three-part "Imaginationland", airing just a couple of weeks ago was epic.  Seasons 10 and 11 are some of the best work that Matt and Trey have ever done. 

If you watch nothing else, watch Season 9, Episode 12, "Trapped in the Closet", for which, ten years ago, people got sued for so much as talking about.  (And it explains why Chef had to leave the series, since he was part of the cult whose secret teachings were exposed :)

For sheer laughs, Season 10, Episode 8, "Make Love, Not Warcraft" is probably the funniest episode they've ever done, especially if you (or someone you know) has ever played WoW.


Isn't the "Trapped in the closet" episode the one where Issac Hayes quit? Mainly because of he's a Scientologist?

I hadn't seen that episode, but heard that he quit due to Scientology being lampooned.(for lack of a better word)

I agree with everything on the list!!!

4. SpongeBob SquarePants

...one of the most overhyped cartoon of recent timesThat should #1 ;D (Total trash)

Worst Cartoons of 2008:


"Total Drama Island"... no different than it's live action "reality show" counterparts with people bickering and cheesy challenges

"Superjail"... though the animation reminds me of Mike Judge's work, the cartoon lacks humor, overuses extreme violence (more gross than funny), and is far too weird

"George of the Jungle" remake, ugh wrong in so many levels since it ruined the classic cartoon  8-P

That's the Tom Cruise one right? I remember hearing about it... Yeah okay I might with this strike and all the good tv shows are gonna dry up soon anyway so I'll need some filler.


Yup.


Isn't the "Trapped in the closet" episode the one where Issac Hayes quit? Mainly because of he's a Scientologist?

I hadn't seen that episode, but heard that he quit due to Scientology being lampooned.(for lack of a better word)


"Yes", "Yes", and "Not precisely", in that order.

Yep, that's the one where Hayes quit.
Yep, his cult was a central factor.
And not precisely "lampooned", but "accurately described one of its central myths". 

The myth in question is so far out there that it's indistinguishable from the non-sequiturs of a Family Guy episode, never mind South Park, which is why it got the subtitle "This is what Scientologists Really Believe".  It's also why there's a volcano motif on the covers of some of their books.

It's typically withheld from cult members until around $300,000 in fees for various lower-level courses have been paid.  The official story is that revelation of the story to people who aren't adequately prepared is can specifically lead to death by pneumonia.  Hayes, if he was of sufficiently high rank in the cult to have learned of the story through official channels, would believe this, and be morally obliged to resign.  (And if of insufficiently-high rank, his superiors would have ordered him to resign.)

The secret itself came out about 10-15 years ago and has spread all over the net, it's even got a Wikipedia Page.  When it first came out, the cult sued people for copyright infringement, not libel.  That is, the cult claimed the text as its own intellectual property, and not some fabrication.

The South Park episode doesn't infringe on any copyright -- it's merely a description of the events described in the copyrighted text.  At one time, the only people who knew the story were cultists who's sworn themselves to secrecy, and even describing the story would have been a violation of the cult's trade secrets. 

Leaving aside the issue of why a "religion" needs trade secrets... (I can hear Kirk saying "Why does God need a Starship?" as I type this...)

The important thing about trade secrets is that they have very weak protection under ntellectual property law.  You can sue the person who leaked it for violating their nondisclosure agreement, but once a trade secret leaks (as this one did), anyone who didn't sign a nondisclosure agreement (like Matt and Trey!) are free to describe what they've read, even if they can't use the text verbatim.  It's why the formulae for Coca-Cola and KFC's spice mixtures are stored in vaults.  The story of how the cult's secret first leaked reads a bit like a spy novel, and is full of epic lulz, but it's left as an exercise to a reader.

The episode aired a few years ago, and was the first time the secret was aired to a mass audience.  There hasn't been a global pandemic of pneumonia yet, so you can make your own call as to how hazardous it is to your lungs.  For example, you might inhale a potato chip while laughing...

Anyways, this is a thread about cartoons, and that's more than any of you ever wanted to know about South Park's Trapped in the Closet.

35 year old overweight, sweaty geeks who believe that they can throw anything at us and we'll say please and thank you.


What are "Things not to say at a Deathklok concert", Alex?

I'm not sure if I was talking about Metalocalypse.


Metalocalype is a little closer to genius than insanity.  Hey, there's at least a plot on every episode, which is more than can be said for some of their other programmes.  (For what it's worth, I enjoy Metalocalypse, ATHF, Space Ghost, and of course, MST3K.  Part of the beauty of Adult Swim is seeing how close you can get to that line without crossing it.  Metalocalypse would be lame if it weren't so over the top.  It's glorious self-parody; the animated equivalent of the Doom Comic Book.)

Most cartoons from Adult Swim aren't much different than the cartoons on regular Cartoon Network. Though more crass  and features unnecessary gore/violence.

From the original list, I'd have to disagree with The Littles and Care Bears. Both were great cartoons with great animation. And I think kids could do with a moral at the end of their half hour!  ;)

As for It's Punky Brewster - I do love it as it's part of the Punky franchise, but I agree elements like the annoying Glomer should've been removed. Let's just say the concept of a Punky cartoon was good, but they ruined it by changing the formula and introducing a way out character.

http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/marlioe/blogsectarios/glomer.jpg ... oy!  ::)

1\2 of Adult Swim = Masterpieces
1\2 of Adult Swim = 35 year old overweight, sweaty geeks who believe that they can throw anything at us and we'll say please and thank you. Next new cartoon idea - Have a hairy guy in his shorts run around a tree for 30 minutes going woof woof.


I love "Aquateen Hungerforce"!  It can get as disjointed and bizarre as the human mind can comprehend, but as long as they've got good gag writers and amusing storyboards, I'm probably going to like it.  A cartoon like "Family Guy" would have been totally impossible 40 years ago, except maybe in an avant garde PhD animation group. 

One problem emerged with cartoons like "Tom Goes to the Mayor," which was based on a schtick that wasn't funny and had dumb animation." 

"Drawn Together" is just a stupid concept, everything's hypersexualized, and again it's not even funny. 

And I just hate "Rug Rats"!

The thing is, I grew up watching Flintstones and Scooby-Doo reruns and compared to that drek, "Rug Rats" is Shakespeare!
 

I liked the concept of "Drawn Together", but it should've been done better.

"The Critic" is a good show, though sometimes watch it on Reelz whenever it's on.  We need a Jay Sherman now since majority of the films really do stink!

In my opinion you can pretty much just pick one at random from todays Cartoons for kids (Simpsons, Family Guy and Drawn Together are Adult).
Whatever happened to Bugs Bunny and Friends, Scooby Doo, GI Joe, or He-Man? I am no fan of this Anime stuff especially the Dragon Ball Z or Pokemon stuff.  So I say just put the titles on a dart board and toss a few darts you are bound to hit a terrible one...and that is my opinion.

"Kid vs. Kat"

Besides the animation that looks to be borrowed from "Little Einstiens", it's pretty much forgettable.

I liked the concept of "Drawn Together", but it should've been done better.



Agreed.  From what I can garner, it tries to be racy all the time.  It's too MTV.  Harvey Birdman was quite adroit with the same concept.

And now I see that they are releasing a Dragonball live action moivie....do I hear a Raspberry in it's future already?

^ I've seen a preview of that, Ugh!



"Yes", "Yes", and "Not precisely", in that order.

Yep, that's the one where Hayes quit.
Yep, his cult was a central factor.
And not precisely "lampooned", but "accurately described one of its central myths". 

The myth in question is so far out there that it's indistinguishable from the non-sequiturs of a Family Guy episode, never mind South Park, which is why it got the subtitle "This is what Scientologists Really Believe".  It's also why there's a volcano motif on the covers of some of their books.

It's typically withheld from cult members until around $300,000 in fees for various lower-level courses have been paid.  The official story is that revelation of the story to people who aren't adequately prepared is can specifically lead to death by pneumonia.  Hayes, if he was of sufficiently high rank in the cult to have learned of the story through official channels, would believe this, and be morally obliged to resign.  (And if of insufficiently-high rank, his superiors would have ordered him to resign.)

The secret itself came out about 10-15 years ago and has spread all over the net, it's even got a Wikipedia Page.  When it first came out, the cult sued people for copyright infringement, not libel.  That is, the cult claimed the text as its own intellectual property, and not some fabrication.

The South Park episode doesn't infringe on any copyright -- it's merely a description of the events described in the copyrighted text.  At one time, the only people who knew the story were cultists who's sworn themselves to secrecy, and even describing the story would have been a violation of the cult's trade secrets. 

Leaving aside the issue of why a "religion" needs trade secrets... (I can hear Kirk saying "Why does God need a Starship?" as I type this...)

The important thing about trade secrets is that they have very weak protection under ntellectual property law.  You can sue the person who leaked it for violating their nondisclosure agreement, but once a trade secret leaks (as this one did), anyone who didn't sign a nondisclosure agreement (like Matt and Trey!) are free to describe what they've read, even if they can't use the text verbatim.  It's why the formulae for Coca-Cola and KFC's spice mixtures are stored in vaults.  The story of how the cult's secret first leaked reads a bit like a spy novel, and is full of epic lulz, but it's left as an exercise to a reader.

The episode aired a few years ago, and was the first time the secret was aired to a mass audience.  There hasn't been a global pandemic of pneumonia yet, so you can make your own call as to how hazardous it is to your lungs.  For example, you might inhale a potato chip while laughing...

Anyways, this is a thread about cartoons, and that's more than any of you ever wanted to know about South Park's Trapped in the Closet.

What are "Things not to say at a Deathklok concert", Alex?


He quit over it "accurately describing what they believe?"

Hmm.. another wikipedia page was kinda mixed in why he quit. I need to look up other sources.(I love me some controversy)

^ I've seen a preview of that, Ugh!

He quit over it "accurately describing what they believe?"

Hmm.. another wikipedia page was kinda mixed in why he quit. I need to look up other sources.(I love me some controversy)


"South Park" rips on everything.  I don't understand why the late Isaac Hayes didn't predict they'd get around to ripping on Scientology. 

"South Park" rips on everything.  I don't understand why the late Isaac Hayes didn't predict they'd get around to ripping on Scientology. 




Yeah, with South Park, nothing's above being spoof.

I also read that they held off on spoofing Scientology for awhile because Hayes was a Scientologist. I'd have to go back and check when they decided to do so, I know it had something to do with what some Scientologists did(or something in that area).

Oh, read something else about when he quit South Park, that someone might have quit it for him. But this is just one variation of the story(he had a stroke around that time as well).

Found out when they decided to do it.

Stone & Parker decided to create the episode after hearing that comedian Penn Jillette had been barred from poking fun at the controversial religion on his cable show Penn & Teller: B*******!.

Cartoon Network has "Chowder" which I despise, and "Flapjack" which is almost as bad. My son, who's 8,  loves them and I just don't get why. I have tried to watch with him, but I have never laughed at either of them one time.    8-P

I like the animation on "Flapjack" since it looks original, though it's pretty much garbage. I'll admit that I've laughed once or twice on a few episodes.

"Chowder", would be better if the characters are thrown into dip!

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I like the animation on "Flapjack" since it looks original, though it's pretty much garbage. I'll admit that I've laughed once or twice on a few episodes.

"Chowder", would be better if the characters are thrown into dip!


Goes to look up those series.

Edit: Definetly doesn't look like anything I'd want to watch.

He quit over it "accurately describing what they believe?"

Hmm.. another wikipedia page was kinda mixed in why he quit. I need to look up other sources.(I love me some controversy)


I can't speak for the late Chef, but yep, that's what they really believe.  A Scilon spoketurion inadvertently confirmed the space alien story on the air last week.  (...and he inadvertently confirmed it just like they've done just about every time an interviewer has dared to come up with the subject.  Lulz.  I'm amazed they're still trying to deny it, it's been public knowledge for about 15 years.)

The Scilon followed its programming well.  First, deny everything ("Oh no, those are just lies about us!").  Second, tie it in with an attempt to recruit for the cult. ("Join us and see for yourself!")  Third, if the interviewer does have the facts, accuse him of being a naughty person. (Always using emotionally-loaded words like "bigot" or "hate", and tying those words to "religious beliefs".)

Those techniques worked against the reporters of the 60s and 70s, against whom they were designed.  Today, they merely result in lulz and moar epic fail for the cult.

That they do.^ :D

Not fond of the Scooby Doo clones (even Scooby itself...though like the theme song) except "Josie & The Pussycats"

I've always disliked 'Speed Racer'. I found the show to be long and boring.

Not fond of the Scooby Doo clones (even Scooby itself...though like the theme song) except "Josie & The Pussycats"


Josie rules!

Josie rules!


Love Josie! Watched it all the time. I know all the songs.

"DJ & The Fro"...

Pretty much two slackers from some generic work setting (ie cubicles) that watch random internet videos and making comments (much like "Beavis & Butt-Head" with music videos)


...while Viacom and others takes down good stuff from YouTube 8-P

i got groovy ghoulies from etflik a couple years ago and found it rather bad.

i got groovy ghoulies from etflik a couple years ago and found it rather bad.


The shows used to be good back then, but looking back now they weren't that good. 

There's tv shows that we thought were good as a child, but realize that they aren't as an adult.



Like many threads on Toon Zone (not a member, but enjoy reading threads), "Nostalgia Tends To Blind Us"

Almost any cartoon made today is total garbage

Almost any cartoon made today is total garbage

You can add the word "song" to that sentence as well

I was wondering where this thread had gotten to!  I've been wanting to mention "Total Drama Island' and "Sixteen" if I hadn't already. They are SO stupid!  Matthew tries to watch them and I make him change it-I think he does it just to irritate me... ::)

I was wondering where this thread had gotten to!  I've been wanting to mention "Total Drama Island' and "Sixteen" if I hadn't already. They are SO stupid!  Matthew tries to watch them and I make him change it-I think he does it just to irritate me... ::)



Technically anything from Cartoon Network from the past decade except for a very few from Adult Swim (ie "Harvey Birdman", "Aqua Teen Hunger Force", "Boondocks").

I feel bad. I like alot of those cartoons. Like King of the Hill and Spongebob.  :)

I feel bad. I like alot of those cartoons. Like King of the Hill and Spongebob.  :)


"King of the Hill" is awesome!  The prototype for Hank Hill was a character on "Beavis and Butt-head" called Tom Anderson, a Texas god ole boy.  Judge and Daniels made Hank Hill a little younger and less of a buffoon than Anderson, but I think King was really the show Judge wanted to make because "Beavis and Butt-head" didn't have the kind of staying power he was looking for.

I actually like some episodes from the first few seasons like the paintballing episode with Green Day and the Halloween episode with somebody trying to ban the holiday, but find the show mostly boring and easily could've been done in live action.

I feel bad. I like alot of those cartoons. Like King of the Hill and Spongebob.  :)


SpongeBob is okay, but I love King of the Hill.  I was completely that they canceled it.

SpongeBob is okay, but I love King of the Hill.  I was completely that they canceled it.


I agree. I thought the show was still fresh and had a lot of life left.

SpongeBob is okay, but I love King of the Hill.  I was completely that they canceled it.


Mike Judge has new cartoon animated series on  ABC called the Goode Family.  Its about this Vegan, green, environmentally obsessed (insert all the other buzz words and stereotypes)...   

They are overly concerned with doing the right thing but they don't really seem to know why its the right thing to do - yet they want everyone else to do it... so they grow their own garden, recycle, buy organic foods, join PC clubs, are anti-organized religion  ;D  (as seen when the daughter joined an abstinence club), befriend same-sexed couples, have black neighbors but try not to draw attention to race....etc

the show kind of sucks but it has its moments... I especially love the fact that they are raising their dog to be vegan- but the dog craves meat...well... worse than I do!  :D  so there are some funny scenes about the dog stalking squirrels and pretty much getting his meat fixation in anyway possible.  ;D

Watched parts of the "SpongeBob" documentry on VH1 for curiousity and I pretty much have the same opinion as before  8-P

Too annoying and childish (the "swearing" episode is pretty much to teach kids to watch what they're saying and I find all the characters too annoying and never understood the appeal of the show)

It's strange that creator Stephen Hillenburg have directed episodes of "Rocko's Modern Life...

Probably a generation thing, but I own a tape that contain a few episodes like "Suck-o-Matic" and the one with Rocko trying to throw away the trash that are still funny.