Are the early 2000s just not part of the 2000s decade whatsoever? As much as I complain about how so many nostalgic articles define that term well beyond its intuitive boundaries, the actaul period is really not 90s when they're tremendously different even from the regular late 90s of 1997, 1998, and early 1999.


I think the Early 2000s have a sense of "awe" about them (since it was the first era of the new millennium), which is why some people extend the boundaries unnecessarily. IMO, the cultural (and yes, chronological) Early 2000s ended in Late 2003. 2003 is the first year I can vividly remember and I know for a fact that the vibe of 2004 was entirely different to that of 2003. 2004 felt solidly Mid 2000s.

Yep. 2004 still had tangible early 2000s vibes, at least in terms of kid culture, during the first half of the year. 2005-2006 did not really have any early 2000s vibes, so they fit better (early 2000s, while a great time to live in, felt more like a prototype of the 2000s rather than the "definitive" version).

The early 2000s are part of the 2000s decade...

But they're not the "peak 2000s".

2004 is my favorite year of the 2000's, hands down, however it is a tad bit too early for quintessential 2000's years. I'd lean more towards 2005 for that title, even 2006 to some extent

2004 is not too early. The early 2000s define the 2000s decade the most. Just look at all the nostalgia over that period these days, anything after that is pretty bland and not talked about. 2004 is part of the mid 2000s but just early enough that it is not completely isolated from the early 2000s era. 2006 is absolutely too late and the real 2000s were not shown in 2006. I lean towards 2004 or 2005, I will say 2004 because it's right in the middle of the decade but 2005 works too. 2006 definitely no way though. And again, the early 2000s were what defined the 2000s the most and they were the true 2000s. The late 2000s started having trends that defined the 2010s.


But they're not the "peak 2000s".

It doesn't matter. The 1990s were gone by the early 2000s and the '00s culture established itself very well in the early '00s.

2004 is not too early. The early 2000s define the 2000s decade the most. Just look at all the nostalgia over that period these days, anything after that is pretty bland and not talked about. 2004 is part of the mid 2000s but just early enough that it is not completely isolated from the early 2000s era. 2006 is absolutely too late and the real 2000s were not shown in 2006. I lean towards 2004 or 2005, I will say 2004 because it's right in the middle of the decade but 2005 works too. 2006 definitely no way though. And again, the early 2000s were what defined the 2000s the most and they were the true 2000s. The late 2000s started having trends that defined the 2010s.

How is 2006 not a peak 2000s year? To me it was the peak in 2000s fashion, the peak in popularity of the iPod, Windows XP was still quite popular and Windows Vista was not out yet, it was the last year when standard TVs were still very popular, quintessential songs that came out this year such as 'Ridin' by Chammilionare, it was the last year before Britney went crazy and shaved her head, it was the last year the economy was pretty good before it took a nose dive in 2007, you had both 6th generation and 7th generation video game consoles and games that were popular this year, it had both the last of Classic 2000s shows like Malcom in the Middle, The West Wing, Will and Grace, Charmed, That 70s Show, and Arrested Development as well as the beginning of Modern 2000s shows like Hannah Montana, Heroes, Dexter, and 30 Rock, had elements of both Classic Era Internet and the nascent Independent Media Era, and it also had Late Gen Y kid culture (Gamecube, dying days of Yu Gi Oh, American Dragon: Jake Long, etc.) intermingling with Early Gen Z kid culture (Wii, Bakugan, Hannah Montana, etc.). It's not as peaky as 2005, but it's still quite peaky if you ask me.

Again, since you lived in Canada, maybe culture moved at a faster or different pace than here in the U.S.

2004 is not too early. The early 2000s define the 2000s decade the most. Just look at all the nostalgia over that period these days, anything after that is pretty bland and not talked about. 2004 is part of the mid 2000s but just early enough that it is not completely isolated from the early 2000s era. 2006 is absolutely too late and the real 2000s were not shown in 2006. I lean towards 2004 or 2005, I will say 2004 because it's right in the middle of the decade but 2005 works too. 2006 definitely no way though. And again, the early 2000s were what defined the 2000s the most and they were the true 2000s. The late 2000s started having trends that defined the 2010s.
It doesn't matter. The 1990s were gone by the early 2000s and the '00s culture established itself very well in the early '00s.


Ok I dont understand how you can say that the early 2000s defined the 2000s decade the most, and then say that the late 2000s don't count as they started having trends that defined the 2010s?? ??? Because it's just like in the early 2000s when many 90s trends continued. Obviously the mid 00s defined the decade the best as this was when the culture was at its peak. Also how can you say that 2006 can "definitely no way"  :o define the decade when, literally everything that people will associate with 2000s peaked during this time, I mean I myself think that 2005 is the best year to define the 2000s, but 2006 is very close. Also the fact that people are more nostalgic over the early 2000s is pretty self explanatory, I mean obviously people would be more nostalgic over that period than the late 2000s simply due to that period being much more recent, like cleary people will currently be less nostalgic for 2009! 8) 8)

I agree so much. I'm really starting to think that some people overestimate how similar the late 90s and early 00s were, They clearly were not if one were to look at fashion, games, music, films etc. Folks have done this with the late 60s/early 70s, late 70s/early 80s, late 80s/early 90s and even the late 00s/early 10s. They need to give that a rest. Yeah, I understand there were similarities, but the periods mentioned were not that similar to each other. Here's an example of late 90s CN and early 00s CN.

I don't simply mean kid culture, the differences go far beyond. For example, the technology - a lot more people were connected to the World Wide Web in 2000 to 2003 than they were during 1997 to 1999. Even though the Internet was a monster investment back in the late 90s, it hadn't yet grown to the point that a considerable number of people were using online chatrooms, posting on discussion boards, purchasing goods on eBay, downloading mp3s, or anything else besides basic news stories or websites made simply for the heck of it. Then, of course, there's gaming - there was quite a graphical leap between the 32 and 64-bit titles of the late 90s the smooth polygon, occasionally online games of the 6th generation. There was also the Game Boy Advance. Cell phones were also a heck of a lot more popular in the early 2000s than they were in the late 90s. Finally, DVD's, while not completely dominant yet, were actually a serious alternative to VHS in the early 2000s in a way they hadn't been upon their introduction.

Geopolitically, things were quite different, too. First you had the election of Republican George W. Bush, replacing Democrat Bill Clinton, then you had 9/11. Also, the Dot Com Boom was over.

In film, superhero flicks were far bigger draws at the box office than they were in the late 90s, which did see the release of Blade but were otherwise marred by garbage like Batman & Robin, Spawn, and Steel, and instead thrived off of disaster epics like Armageddon, Volcano, and Titanic.

In music, the late 90s were dominated by that slick, cheesy, funky sound of Bad Boy Records, as well as No Limit representing gangsta rap. By the early 2000s, you instead had the Neptunes and Irv Gotti producing most of the top 40 hits, although Timbaland was a prominent figure during both stretches of time and already made early 2000s-sounding music from his initial breaktrough in 1996. Rock was quite different between the late 90s and early 2000s, as well; the late 90s had mostly the remnants of classic 90s alternative, still with a fair amount of experimentation, whereas the early 2000s were full-on dominated by second wave post-grunge bands like 3 Doors Down, Fuel, Staind, Puddle of Mudd, and Human Clay/Weathered-era Creed. Additionally, pop punk was more established in the mainstream following blink's Enema, whereas it was still a tad grittier in the late 90s.

How about the peak year of each part of the decades?

1960s

Peak early '60s year: 1962

Peak mid '60s year: 1965

Peak late '60s year: 1968

1970s

Peak early '70s year: 1972

Peak mid '70s year: 1976

Peak late '70s year: 1978

1980s

Peak early '80s year: 1982

Peak mid '80s year: 1984

Peak late '80s year: 1988

1990s

Peak early '90s year: 1992

Peak mid '90s year: 1995

Peak late '90s year: 1999

2000s

Peak early '00s year: 2001

Peak mid '00s year: 2006

Peak late '00s year: 2008

2010s

Peak early '10s year: 2013

Peak mid '10s year: 2016

Thoughts?

Peak Early 60s: 1963
Peak Mid-60s: 1965
Peak Late 60s: 1969

Peak Early 70s: 1972
Peak Mid-70s: 1974
Peak Late 70s: 1978

Peak Early 80s: 1982
Peak Mid-80s: 1984
Peak Late 80s: 1988

Peak Early 90s: 1992
Peak Mid-90s: 1995
Peak Late 90s: 1998

Peak Early 2000s: 2002
Peak Mid-2000s: 2005
Peak Late 2000s: 2008

Peak Early 2010s: 2011
Peak Mid-2010s: 2015

Peak Early 60s: 1963
Peak Mid-60s: 1965
Peak Late 60s: 1969
Why 1963 for peak early '60s and not 1962? Also, why 1969 for peak late '60s and not 1968?


Peak Early 70s: 1972
Peak Mid-70s: 1974
Peak Late 70s: 1978
Did you choose 1974 because of Nixon's resignation?


Peak Late 90s: 1998
Did you choose 1998 because it was more "regular" late '90s than 1999?

Why 1963 for peak early '60s and not 1962? Also, why 1969 for peak late '60s and not 1968?

1963 is much more distinguished from the late 1950s than 1962 is, yet pretty much everything that defined the early 60s since 1960 was still in its peak. 1963 was dominated by surf rock and Hairspray-esque flips, neither of which were that established in 1962. Musically, stuff from 1963 definitely sounds more advanced than late 50s music, unlike 1962 music, yet at the same time, it was stylistically older than mid-60s music, too. Some good examples of identifiably early 60s songs are "It's My Party," "Louie Louie," "Heatwave," "It's Alright," "Wipeout," "Be My Baby," and "Walk Like a Man." All the while, key musicians from the early 60s like Roy Orbison, Brenda Lee, Del Shannon, and The Shadows were still just as popular as ever. In television, almost nothing distinct to the mid-60s had premiered yet, while The Twilight Zone, The Flintstones, The Dick Van Dyke Show,  and The Jetsons were all in their prime. In politics, JFK was President for almost the entirety of the year, while Vietnam was merely being set up.

1969 was the peak of the counterculture movement, the definitive aspect of the late 60s. Woodstock took place that year, and music was at its most experimental and rebellious, all the while not really being strictly 70s-style aside from Led Zeppelin, who weren't really that pppular until "Whole Lotta Love" became a big hot at the start od the following decade.

Did you choose 1974 because of Nixon's resignation?

Partly, yes, but mostly because 1975 was overwhelmingly packed with late decade influences for a year ending in 5. 1974 was before the disco explosion and before the stagflation issue completely dominated headlines, and quintessential late 70s shows weren't really established yet, but it also felt significantly more evolved than the early 70s were. Music was a lot funkier or smoother without falling squarely under the late 70s style, while film had not yet seen the birth of the summer blockbuster with Jaws and was instead still the peak of blaxploitation movies.

Did you choose 1998 because it was more "regular" late '90s than 1999?


Yes, 1999 is too much like the early 2000s, while the first half of 1997 has too much of a core 90s feel to be quintessential late 90s. 1998 strikes the perfect balance.

1963 is much more distinguished from the late 1950s than 1962 is, yet pretty much everything that defined the early 60s since 1960 was still in its peak. 1963 was dominated by surf rock and Hairspray-esque flips, neither of which were that established in 1962. Musically, stuff from 1963 definitely sounds more advanced than late 50s music, unlike 1962 music, yet at the same time, it was stylistically older than mid-60s music, too. Some good examples of identifiably early 60s songs are "It's My Party," "Louie Louie," "Heatwave," "It's Alright," "Wipeout," and "Walk Like a Man." All the while, key musicians from the early 60s like Roy Orbison, Brenda Lee, Del Shannon, and The Shadows were still just as popular as ever. In television, almost nothing distinct to the mid-60s had premiered yet, while The Twilight Zone, The Flintstones, The Dick Van Dyke Show,  and The Jetsons were all in their prime. In politics, JFK was President for almost the entirety of the year, while Vietnam was merely being set up.
The early 1960s were a continuation of the late 1950s and 1962 was the culmination of that. You had the Cuban Missile Crisis, surf rock being dominant, JFK being President for the entire year, James Bond debuting with Dr. No and the iconic  surf rock theme song, the debut of the iconic Eero Saarinen designed TWA terminal at Idlewild Airport in NYC (now known as John F. Kennedy International Airport) that showed the peak of Jet Age optimism, Googie architecture still in full swing. Also, a lot of the stuff you mentioned also applies to 1962. However, I can understand why you chose 1963.


1969 was the peak of the counterculture movement, the definitive aspect of the late 60s. Woodstock took place that year, and music was at its most experimental and rebellious, all the while not really being strictly 70s-style aside from Led Zeppelin, who weren't really that pppular until "Whole Lotta Love" became a big hot at the start od the following decade.
That's fair. However, en masse, 1968 was far more encompassing of the late '60s. In 1968, you had the peak of the Vietnam War with the Tet Offensive, the sharp decline in Lyndon B. Johnson's approval ratings and his decision to not run for reelection, the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy, the riots that following MLK's assassination, the "Black Power salute" by African American athletes Tommie Smith & John Carlos at the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1968, the protests at the 1968 Democratic National Convetion in Chicago, and finally the very close and contentious 1968 Presidential election between Hubert H. Humphrey and Richard Nixon.


Partly, yes, but mostly because 1975 was overwhelmingly packed with late decade influences for year ending in 5. 1974 was before the disco explosion and before the stagflation issue completely dominated headlines, and quintessential late 70s shows weren't really established yet, but it also felt significantly more evolved than the early 70s were. Music was a lot funkier or smoother without falling squarely under the late 70s style, while film had not yet seen the birth of the summer blockbuster with Jaws and was instead still the peak of blaxploitation movies.
I chose 1976 because of the 1976 Presidential election, America's Bicentennial celebrations, movies such as Carrie, Rocky, Taxi Driver, All the President's Men and The Omen, TV show debuts such as Alice, Laverne & Shirley and Charlie's Angels.


Yes, 1999 is too much like the early 2000s, while the first half of 1997 has too much of a core 90s feel to be quintessential late 90s. 1998 strikes the perfect balance.

I see your point but 1999 encompasses everything people think about the late '90s (teen pop, boy bands, the Y2K fashion, Dot Com Bubble). Also, didn't you just make a long post on how 1997-1999 was different from 2000-2003?

1963 is much more distinguished from the late 1950s than 1962 is, yet pretty much everything that defined the early 60s since 1960 was still in its peak. 1963 was dominated by surf rock and Hairspray-esque flips, neither of which were that established in 1962. Musically, stuff from 1963 definitely sounds more advanced than late 50s music, unlike 1962 music, yet at the same time, it was stylistically older than mid-60s music, too. Some good examples of identifiably early 60s songs are "It's My Party," "Louie Louie," "Heatwave," "It's Alright," "Wipeout," "Be My Baby," and "Walk Like a Man." All the while, key musicians from the early 60s like Roy Orbison, Brenda Lee, Del Shannon, and The Shadows were still just as popular as ever. In television, almost nothing distinct to the mid-60s had premiered yet, while The Twilight Zone, The Flintstones, The Dick Van Dyke Show,  and The Jetsons were all in their prime. In politics, JFK was President for almost the entirety of the year, while Vietnam was merely being set up.


The "flip" hairdo wasn't really that common in 1963-1964, most girls still kept their hair short as in the 50's.


Partly, yes, but mostly because 1975 was overwhelmingly packed with late decade influences for a year ending in 5. 1974 was before the disco explosion and before the stagflation issue completely dominated headlines, and quintessential late 70s shows weren't really established yet, but it also felt significantly more evolved than the early 70s were. Music was a lot funkier or smoother without falling squarely under the late 70s style, while film had not yet seen the birth of the summer blockbuster with Jaws and was instead still the peak of blaxploitation movies.


I'd actually mark the beginning of disco's popularity as late 1974, after Nixon resigned. This was when songs like "Rock Your Baby" by George McCrae and MFSB's "The Sound Of Philadelphia" were reaching number 1. But yes, 1975 was the first full year where disco was a phenomenon.

Ok I dont understand how you can say that the early 2000s defined the 2000s decade the most, and then say that the late 2000s don't count as they started having trends that defined the 2010s?? ??? Because it's just like in the early 2000s when many 90s trends continued. Obviously the mid 00s defined the decade the best as this was when the culture was at its peak. Also how can you say that 2006 can "definitely no way"  :o define the decade when, literally everything that people will associate with 2000s peaked during this time, I mean I myself think that 2005 is the best year to define the 2000s, but 2006 is very close. Also the fact that people are more nostalgic over the early 2000s is pretty self explanatory, I mean obviously people would be more nostalgic over that period than the late 2000s simply due to that period being much more recent, like cleary people will currently be less nostalgic for 2009! 8) 8)

The 1990s did not continue in the early 2000s. '90s trends were gone by 1999 when the mellenium era (part of 2000s culture) started.

The early 1960s were a continuation of the late 1950s and 1962 was the culmination of that. You had the Cuban Missile Crisis, surf rock being dominant, JFK being President for the entire year, James Bond debuting with Dr. No and the iconic  surf rock theme song, the debut of the iconic Eero Saarinen designed TWA terminal at Idlewild Airport in NYC (now known as John F. Kennedy International Airport) that showed the peak of Jet Age optimism, Googie architecture still in full swing. Also, a lot of the stuff you mentioned also applies to 1962. However, I can understand why you chose 1963.

Surf rock really wasn't dominant in 1962. All you had that year was the Beach Boys' "Surfin' Safari," which wasn't even a top 10 hit. Dick Dale's "Misirlou" wasn't popularized until Pulp Fiction came out 32 years later. By contrast, 1963 had all sorts of surf rock songs being released and achieving commercial success. Most of what I listed for 1963 either wasn't popular yet in 1962 or was simply not as established. JFK may have been President all of 1962, but his time in office in 1962 was only little more than a month longer than in 1963.

That's fair. However, en masse, 1968 was far more encompassing of the late '60s. In 1968, you had the peak of the Vietnam War with the Tet Offensive, the sharp decline in Lyndon B. Johnson's approval ratings and his decision to not run for reelection, the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy, the riots that following MLK's assassination, the "Black Power salute" by African American athletes Tommie Smith & John Carlos at the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1968, the protests at the 1968 Democratic National Convetion in Chicago, and finally the very close and contentious 1968 Presidential election between Hubert H. Humphrey and Richard Nixon.

The Vietnam War was a huge part of the mid-60s, too. 1969 had the Moon Landing, Woodstock, and an overall more memorable musical output than 1968.

I chose 1976 because of the 1976 Presidential election, America's Bicentennial celebrations, movies such as Carrie, Rocky, Taxi Driver, All the President's Men and The Omen, TV show debuts such as Alice, Laverne & Shirley and Charlie's Angels.

The former are just movies, they don't reflect any distict trends like blaxploitation, for example. The TV show debuts are actually primary arguments against 1976 being quintessential mid-70s because they tie the year much more to the late 70s.

I see your point but 1999 encompasses everything people think about the late '90s (teen pop, boy bands, the Y2K fashion, Dot Com Bubble). Also, didn't you just make a long post on how 1997-1999 was different from 2000-2003?

1998 had all of those things you listed, plus other things that declined by 1999. Yes, I distinguished 2000-2003 from the late 90s, but note that I excluded mid and late 1999 from the comparison, as that was when the regular 90s basically collapsed and early 2000s culture became serioudly established in a way it hadn't been in 1998.

The 1990s did not continue in the early 2000s. '90s trends were gone by 1999 when the mellenium era (part of 2000s culture) started.

Millennium culture is not '90s or '00s...it's just what it's described as MILLENNIUM culture.

Surf rock really wasn't dominant in 1962. All you had that year was the Beach Boys' "Surfin' Safari," which wasn't even a top 10 hit. Dick Dale's "Misirlou" wasn't popularized until Pulp Fiction came out 32 years later. By contrast, 1963 had all sorts of surf rock songs being released and achieving commercial success. Most of what I listed for 1963 either wasn't popular yet in 1962 or was simply not as established. JFK may have been President all of 1962, but his time in office in 1962 was only little more than a month longer than in 1963.
Nah, surf rock was very popular in 1962 and also all the other things I said still stand.


The Vietnam War was a huge part of the mid-60s, too. 1969 had the Moon Landing, Woodstock, and an overall more memorable musical output than 1968.
The Tet Offensive in 1968 was the ABSOLUTE peak of the Vietnam War...that's an indisputable fact. Also, Woodstock and the Moon Landings are just 2 things compared to the plethora of things that 1968 had over 1969.


The former are just movies, they don't reflect any distict trends like blaxploitation, for example. The TV show debuts are actually primary arguments against 1976 being quintessential mid-70s because they tie the year much more to the late 70s.
Fair points but I'll still stick with 1976.


1998 had all of those things you listed, plus other things that declined by 1999. Yes, I distinguished 2000-2003 from the late 90s, but note that I excluded mid and late 1999 from the comparison, as that was when the regular 90s basically collapsed and early 2000s culture became serioudly established in a way it hadn't been in 1998.

The late '90s was a time of looking towards the new Millenium and century...so how can you choose a year other than 1999...the absolute height of that momentous occasion?

The "flip" hairdo wasn't really that common in 1963-1964, most girls still kept their hair short as in the 50's.

Here's some fashion from 1963, which pretty much sums up the early 60s:

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The hair was shorter than the mid and late 60s, but it was still more rounded than the late 50s, and dresses were also quickly evolving into a 60s style.

I'd actually mark the beginning of disco's popularity as late 1974, after Nixon resigned. This was when songs like "Rock Your Baby" by George McCrae and MFSB's "The Sound Of Philadelphia" were reaching number 1. But yes, 1975 was the first full year where disco was a phenomenon.


Its popularity technically started with "Love Train" in early 1973, but it wasn't a serious movement until the turn of 1975.

Millennium culture is not '90s or '00s...it's just what it's described as MILLENNIUM culture.

When I think of "2000s", I immediately think of Y2K, 9/11, and early 2000s stuff. I do not think about emo culture, or mid and late 2000s stuff. My mind goes to the early 2000s because that is when the decade's true culture shined. And nobody talks about the mid and late 2000s, all of the nostalgia is around the early 2000s because that was the best part of the decade.

Nah, surf rock was very popular in 1962 and also all the other things I said still stand.

Seriously, how many big surf rock hits can you name from 1962 besides "Surfin' Safari?" 1963, on the other hand, had...

- Surf City
- Surfin' USA
- Wipeout
- Surfer Joe
- Surfin' Bird
- Penetration
- Pipeline
- California Sun
- Out of Limits
- Honolulu Lulu
- I'm Leaving It Up to You
- Surfer Girl

What things still stand that weren't also huge in 1963 that weren't just isolated events?

The Tet Offensive in 1968 was the ABSOLUTE peak of the Vietnam War...that's an indisputable fact. Also, Woodstock and the Moon Landings are just 2 things compared to the plethora of things that 1968 had over 1969.

Yeah, but they're both absolutely ENORMOUS, and they both represent the cultural flux of the late 60s, especially Woodstock. 1968 still had some songs that could've come out easily in the mid-60s.

Fair points but I'll still stick with 1976.

Why? 1976 is hardly distinguishable from 1977 to early 1979, yet it was clearly a different environment compared to 1974.

The late '90s was a time of looking towards the new Millenium and century...so how can you choose a year other than 1999...the absolute height of that momentous occasion?


Because I'm not simplifying the era's culture to Y2K alone. If you really look at the overall culture of 1999, it's mostly just like the early 2000s and quite distinct from 1997 and 1998.

Because I'm not simplifying the era's culture to Y2K alone. If you really look at the overall culture of 1999, it's mostly just like the early 2000s and quite distinct from 1997 and 1998.

I agree with this.

When I think of "2000s", I immediately think of Y2K, 9/11, and early 2000s stuff. I do not think about emo culture, or mid and late 2000s stuff. My mind goes to the early 2000s because that is when the decade's true culture shined. And nobody talks about the mid and late 2000s, all of the nostalgia is around the early 2000s because that was the best part of the decade.

Well, I guess that's just an opinion.

Seriously, how many big surf rock hits can you name from 1962 besides "Surfin' Safari?" 1963, on the other hand, had...

- Surf City
- Surfin' USA
- Wipeout
- Surfer Joe
- Surfin' Bird
- Penetration
- Pipeline
- California Sun
- Out of Limits
- Honolulu Lulu
- I'm Leaving It Up to You

What things still stand that weren't also huge in 1963 that weren't just isolated events?
A lot of those surf rock songs from 1963 were recorded in 1962 and the James Bond theme song from 1962's Dr. No is one of the most popular surf rock songs ever and proves that surf rock was popular in 1962. Most of the stuff you said about 1963 apply to 1962 as well


Yeah, but they're both absolutely ENORMOUS, and they both represent the cultural flux of the late 60s, especially Woodstock. 1968 still had some songs that could've come out easily in the mid-60s.
So you're basing this off of music...well, OK...I won't get into that. Anyways, the Moon Landing was a DECADE long effort that started in 1961 and Woodstock was just one enormous event compared the plethora of enormous events in 1968. Also, you're the first person to tell me that 1969 is the peak year of the late '60s and not 1968.


Why? 1976 is hardly distinguishable from 1977 to early 1979, yet it was clearly a different environment compared to 1974.
1976 was hardly distinguishable from 1977-1979? OK, that's absolutely not true. But whatever like I said...I still stick with 1976.


Because I'm not simplifying the era's culture to Y2K alone. If you really look at the overall culture of 1999, it's mostly just like the early 2000s and quite distinct from 1997 and 1998.

So you're saying 1999 is more similar to 2001 and 2002 than 1998 or 1997. Wow...OK.

Yeah I disagree that 1999 is like the early '00s, sure it was similar to the year 2000 but 2001, 2002, 2003 were all different from 1999, quite a bit actually. 1999 and 2000 to me are the tail end of the '90s and quite different from the early '00s really. Teen pop was dead sometime after early 2001 and Britney and Christina went to a more hip-hop sound and boy bands faded fast. The height of the early '00s is like Ja Rule and Ashanti stuff. Early Britney is NOT '00s (Baby One More Time) and I never associated it with the '00s, it's late '90s.

Yeah I disagree that 1999 is like the early '00s, sure it was similar to the year 2000 but 2001, 2002, 2003 were all different from 1999, quite a bit actually. 1999 and 2000 to me are the tail end of the '90s and quite different from the early '00s really. Teen pop was dead sometime after early 2001 and Britney and Christina went to a more hip-hop sound and boy bands faded fast. The height of the early '00s is like Ja Rule and Ashanti stuff. Early Britney is NOT '00s (Baby One More Time) and I never associated it with the '00s, it's late '90s.

I totally agree with you.

I totally agree with you.


Yeah it's like compare "Baby One More Time" to "I'm A Slave 4 U", I mean those are very different and different eras to me though only 2-3 years apart. One is '90s and the other is clearly '00s.

Yeah it's like compare "Baby One More Time" to "I'm A Slave 4 U", I mean those are very different and different eras to me though only 2-3 years apart. One is '90s and the other is clearly '00s.

That's correct.

I used to think that 1999 was more similar to 2002 than 1998 but then I looked deeper and saw that I was wrong in many ways.

A lot of those surf rock songs from 1963 were recorded in 1962 and the James Bond theme song from 1962's Dr. No is one of the most popular surf rock songs ever and proves that surf rock was popular in 1962.

That's literally just one song, and it was only a charting hit in the UK anyway, not America. By the way, the comfortable bulk of surf rock songs I listed were in fact recorded in 1963, not that year recorded should count as a stronger argument than year released and peaked.

Most of the stuff you said about 1963 apply to 1962 as well

What specific examples do you have? 1962 was mostly just a stagnation of the late 50s.

So you're basing this off of music...well, OK...I won't get into that. Anyways, the Moon Landing was a DECADE long effort that started in 1961 and Woodstock was just one enormous event compared the plethora of enormous events in 1968. Also, you're the first person to tell me that 1969 is the peak year of the late '60s and not 1968.

I always thought most people considered 1969 to be the peak of the countercure movement. If anything, all of those significant events that occurred in 1968 helped develop the angst that caused the counterculture to reach its height by 1969.

1976 was hardly distinguishable from 1977-1979? OK, that's absolutely not true. But whatever like I said...I still stick with 1976.

Yeah, 1975 to early 1979 is pretty much one consistent era. Let's just go over 1976's culture. Stagflation? Check. Queen? Check. Americanized Fleetwood Mac? Check. Welcome Back, Kotter? Check. John Travolta? Check. Disco in its peak? Check. Pop-prog? Check (Boston's self-titled was huge that year). Punk? Check (Ramones and "Anarchy in the UK"). Happy Days? Check. Three's Company? Check. Kiss? Check. Pong consoles? Check. Carter? Well, okay, he wasn't President yet, but he was certainly well-known thanks to the Election, and the political issues of the day were pretty much exactly the same as they were through the first half of 1979. When you really zero in on all of the most significant elements of popular culture in 1976, they allign quite heavily with the 1978-1979 school year to a degree that 1996 isn't like 1998-1999.

So you're saying 1999 is more similar to 2001 and 2002 than 1998 or 1997. Wow...OK.


In many ways, yes it was. 1997 and 1998 didn't have Latin pop, anime in its heydey, nu-metal, post-Enema pop punk, Cash Money and Roc-A-Fella over No Limit and Bad Boy, Eminem, The West Wing, Family Guy, The Sopranos, Futurama, special effects extravaganza movies like The Phantom Menace and The Matrix instead of disaster flicks, Christina Aguilera, etc. 1997 and 1998 were still dominated by classic love ballads, whereas by 1999, everybody was trying to seem either more hardcore or just more rhythmic. 1999 had an overwhelmingly Gen-Y feel, whereas 1997 and 1998 were still heavily caught in between Gen-X and Gen-Y.

Yeah it's like compare "Baby One More Time" to "I'm A Slave 4 U", I mean those are very different and different eras to me though only 2-3 years apart. One is '90s and the other is clearly '00s.


There were lots of songs made in 1999 that can easily counter that comparison, like "You Owe Me," "Caught Out There," "No Scrubs," and "Back That Thang Up," which would, in fact, fit in easily with the early 2000s. Pretty much the majority of big hits in 1999 blend in with early 2000s songs. Also, not only did bubblegum teen pop still exist through 2001, it even still had some fair presence in the UK as late as 2003, thanks to acts like S Club, Atomic Kitten, and LeAnn Rimes. Sure, things started to trend more towards urban after 9/11, but the overall sound of 1999 isn't super different from 2002, like Jordan has pointed out before.

The hair was shorter than the mid and late 60s, but it was still more rounded than the late 50s, and dresses were also quickly evolving into a 60s style.


How does the flip of 1962-1964 differ from the flip of the mid-late 60's?


Peak Late 80s: 1988


1988 is late 80's? I thought 1989-1991/92 was the late 80's era, when Bush 41 was pres and new jack swing, early house/hip hop were the most popular music genres.


Its popularity technically started with "Love Train" in early 1973, but it wasn't a serious movement until the turn of 1975.


I didn't think disco was a "serious movement" until December 1977 when Saturday Night Fever was released.

That's literally just one song, and it was only a charting hit in the UK anyway, not America. By the way, the comfortable bulk of surf rock songs I listed were in fact recorded in 1963, not that year recorded should count as a stronger argument than year released and peaked.
I'm not debating on which year was more dominant for surf rock but surf rock was definitely popular in 1962. That's all.


What specific examples do you have? 1962 was mostly just a stagnation of the late 50s.
Well, of course and that's what the early 1960s was...a continuation of the late 1950s. I even said that the first time...the early 1960s were clearly different from the rest of the 1960s. You said: "All the while, key musicians from the early 60s like Roy Orbison, Brenda Lee, Del Shannon, and The Shadows were still just as popular as ever. In television, almost nothing distinct to the mid-60s had premiered yet, while The Twilight Zone, The Flintstones, The Dick Van Dyke Show,  and The Jetsons were all in their prime. In politics, JFK was President for almost the entirety of the year, while Vietnam was merely being set up." All of that is true for 1962.


I always thought most people considered 1969 to be the peak of the countercure movement. If anything, all of those significant events that occurred in 1968 helped develop the angst that caused the counterculture to reach its height by 1969.
That point I do agree with.


Yeah, 1975 to early 1979 is pretty much one consistent era. Let's just go over 1976's culture. Stagflation? Check. Queen? Check. Americanized Fleetwood Mac? Check. Welcome Back, Kotter? Check. John Travolta? Check. Disco in its peak? Check. Pop-prog? Check (Boston's self-titled was huge that year). Punk? Check (Ramones and "Anarchy in the UK"). Happy Days? Check. Three's Company? Check. Kiss? Check. Pong consoles? Check. Carter? Well, okay, he wasn't President yet, but he was certainly well-known thanks to the Election, and the political issues of the day were pretty much exactly the same as they were through the first half of 1979. When you really zero in on all of the most significant elements of popular culture in 1976, they allign quite heavily with the 1978-1979 school year to a degree that 1996 isn't like 1998-1999.
Stagflation started in 1973. Also, there was elements of 1976 that was apart of the late 1970s but you're saying that things such as the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, Gerald Ford being President, America's Bicentennial celebrations and the other things that I mentioned earlier encompass the late 1970s?


In many ways, yes it was. 1997 and 1998 didn't have Latin pop, anime in its heydey, nu-metal, post-Enema pop punk, Cash Money and Roc-A-Fella over No Limit and Bad Boy, Eminem, special effects extravaganza movies like The Phantom Menace and The Matrix instead of disaster flicks, Christina Aguilera, etc. 1999 had an overwhelmingly Gen-Y feel, whereas 1997 and 1998 were still heavily caught in between Gen-X and Gen-Y.

OK. I guess we'll just be going into circles. I'll leave it there.

How does the flip of 1962-1964 differ from the flip of the mid-late 60's?

Average hair length.

1988 is late 80's? I thought 1989-1991/92 was the late 80's era, when Bush 41 was pres and new jack swing, early house/hip hop were the most popular music genres.

More of that takes place in the 1990s by definition, though! The late 80s were all about hair metal's peak, ALF, Real Ghostbusters, the original NES, freestyle teen pop like Debbie Gibson, Kylie Minogue, and Rick Astley; big hair in its peak, and the winding down of the Cold War. New jack swing was the quintessential 90s pop genre (though it was still primitively 80s in 1988), while house peaked through all of the early 90s and was still relevant to a degree for the rest of the 90s, too.

I didn't think disco was a "serious movement" until December 1977 when Saturday Night Fever was released.


The charts will tell you otherwise. Disco classics like "That's the Way (I Like It)," "You Should Be Dancing," "The Hustle," "Silly Love Songs," etc. came out well before Saturday Night Fever hit theaters. It was absolutely a force to be reckoned with in 1975 and 1976.

More of that takes place in the 1990s by definition, though! The late 80s were all about hair metal's peak, ALF, Real Ghostbusters, the original NES, freestyle teen pop like Debbie Gibson, Kylie Minogue, and Rick Astley; big hair in its peak, and the winding down of the Cold War. New jack swing was the quintessential 90s pop genre (though it was still primitively 80s in 1988), while house peaked through all of the early 90s and was still relevant to a degree for the rest of the 90s, too.


Culturally, what years do you consider to be the "late 80's"?

I'm not debating on which year was more dominant for surf rock but surf rock was definitely popular in 1962. That's all.

It wasn't nonexistent, but it was drastcally more relevant to popular culture in 1963 than in 1962.

Well, of course and that's what the early 1960s was...a continuation of the late 1950s. I even said that the first time...the early 1960s were clearly different from the rest of the 1960s. You said: "All the while, key musicians from the early 60s like Roy Orbison, Brenda Lee, Del Shannon, and The Shadows were still just as popular as ever. In television, almost nothing distinct to the mid-60s had premiered yet, while The Twilight Zone, The Flintstones, The Dick Van Dyke Show,  and The Jetsons were all in their prime. In politics, JFK was President for almost the entirety of the year, while Vietnam was merely being set up." All of that is true for 1962.

That is true, however I still give the edge to 1963 because the distinctly early 60s stuff was mostly a bit more established, and 1964 was too transformative for 1963 to really be categorized with the mid-60s.

Stagflation started in 1973.

It was overshadowed by Watergate then and it got much worse as time went by.

Also, there was elements of 1976 that was apart of the late 1970s but you're saying that things such as the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, Gerald Ford being President, America's Bicentennial celebrations and the other things that I mentioned earlier encompass the late 1970s?

Almost all of those things are isolated events, not actual trends that encompass a particular era. Every year has its exclusive events. As far as which bands, music genres, television shows, attitudes, technology, etc. go, 1976 is extremely similar to the few years that followed it.

Culturally, what years do you consider to be the "late 80's"?


Roughly the factual coordinates, actually. The start would be late 1986 and the end would be early 1990. The 1986-1987 and 1989-1990 school years were transitional.

I'm not debating on which year was more dominant for surf rock but surf rock was definitely popular in 1962. That's all.


Surf rock didn't emerge as a dominant mainstream genre until 1963. The Early '60s (with the exception of 1963) were mostly defined by girl groups, R&B, country and the last traces of rock n' roll.

It wasn't nonexistent, but it was drastcally more relevant to popular culture in 1963 than in 1962.
Once again, I'm not debating on whether surf rock was more relevant in 1962 or 1963. I'm just saying that it was popular in 1962.


That is true, however I still give the edge to 1963 because the distinctly early 60s stuff was mostly a bit more established, and 1964 was too transformative for 1963 to really be categorized with the mid-60s.
I agree with what you said. However, I personally give the edge to 1962. I'll just leave it there.


It was overshadowed by Watergate then and it got much worse as time went by.
It got worse in 1979 not 1976 though.


Almost all of those things are isolated events, not actual trends that encompass a particular era. Every year has its exclusive events. As far as which bands, music genres, television shows, attitudes, technology, etc. go, 1976 is extremely similar to the few years that followed it.

The 1976 Summer Olympics was a big moment culturally for the mid '70s. Gerald Ford being President was almost exclusively in the mid '70s. 1976 was more technologically close to 1973 and 1974 than 1977-1979. In 1976, the Atari 2600, Sony Walkman, Intellivision did not exist as it did in 1977-1979.


Surf rock didn't emerge as a dominant mainstream genre until 1963. The Early '60s (with the exception of 1963) were mostly defined by girl groups, R&B, country and the last traces of rock n' roll.

That is absolutely not true. Surf rock was popular from 1962-1964.

Roughly the factual coordinates, actually. The start would be late 1986 and the end would be early 1990. The 1986-1987 and 1989-1990 school years were transitional.


How so?

The peak year of disco was 1977 (or 1978).
1988 as peak of the "Glam '80s"? I don't know. 1986 or 1987 is the peak of the "Glam '80s" to me.
I agree with this if you are talking about the George H.W. Bush era.


1986 was a transition year - it felt like a bridge between the synthpop and new wave 80's and the glam 80's. 1987 was absolutely glam 80's, and 1988 was peak glam 80's.

1986 was a transition year - it felt like a bridge between the synthpop and new wave 80's and the glam 80's. 1987 was absolutely glam 80's, and 1988 was peak glam 80's.


By 1986, the original synthpop was gone and replaced with a more dance-style sound. So I'd say it belongs more to the latter period.

1986 was a transition year - it felt like a bridge between the synthpop and new wave 80's and the glam 80's. 1987 was absolutely glam 80's, and 1988 was peak glam 80's.

Really? Eh, whatever. I'm not a fan of glam metal anyways :P.

By 1986, the original synthpop was gone and replaced with a more dance-style sound. So I'd say it belongs more to the latter period.


I agree.

1996 was pretty 90's!

Once again, I'm not debating on whether surf rock was more relevant in 1962 or 1963. I'm just saying that it was popular in 1962.

But my point was that surf rock was so insignificant in 1962 that it could hardly be considered a movement then whatsoever. Its heyday was really spring 1963 to winter 1963/1964.

I agree with what you said. However, I personally give the edge to 1962. I'll just leave it there.

I can understand fine why you would go with 1962 as the quintessential early 60s year, but for me personally, it just comes down to the fact that if you showed me a portrait from 1963, I would find it much easier to identify it as early 60s, whereas with 1962, especially the first two thirds of the year, I would be likely to confuse it with 1959, 1958, or even 1957. I feel that 1963 gives an identity to the early 60s far more than any of the three years that preceded it. It's definitely not the Beatlemania mid-60s, but it at least feels somewhat developed compared to the late 50s.

It got worse in 1979 not 1976 though.

Which means it was pretty much the same in 1975 and 1976 as it was in 1977 and 1978.

The 1976 Summer Olympics was a big moment culturally for the mid '70s.

It still occurred within a greater culturally era that basically spans from 1975 to early 1979. Isolated events like the Summer Olympics are insignificant if you're simply trying to categorize a year with one cultural era or the other.

Gerald Ford being President was almost exclusively in the mid '70s.

After the Nixon pardon and fall of Saigon, however, the issues he faced were pretty much identical to those Carter had to deal with during his first two years in office.

1976 was more technologically close to 1973 and 1974 than 1977-1979. In 1976, the Atari 2600, Sony Walkman, Intellivision did not exist as it did in 1977-1979.

Of those inventions, only the Atari 2600 existed as early as 1977, and even so, almost nobody owned one in the late 70s; 1977 was actually the commercial peak of Pong consoles, the 1st-gen predecessors to the 2600, and those had been for sale since 1975. The Walkman was only invented in 1979 and didn't peak until the 80s, while the Intellivision was merely test-marketed in 1979, not being officially released until 1980.

That is absolutely not true. Surf rock was popular from 1962-1964.

No, he's right. Prior to 1963, surf rock was basically an underground movement, hardly ever seeing the Top 40. Late 1962 was really the first time the public experienced it mainstream at all, and even so, it definitely wasn't a movement, as "Surfin' Safari" was the only full-on surf rock song to achieve major success, with "Ten Little Indians" flopping and "James Bond Theme" really only being part-surf rock because of the guitar riff, otherwise it was just a typical big band composition with a bit more flair than usual. After "Surfin' Safari," it wouldn't even be for another several months before surf rock songs began entering the Top 40 again.

I don't simply mean kid culture, the differences go far beyond. For example, the technology - a lot more people were connected to the World Wide Web in 2000 to 2003 than they were during 1997 to 1999. Even though the Internet was a monster investment back in the late 90s, it hadn't yet grown to the point that a considerable number of people were using online chatrooms, posting on discussion boards, purchasing goods on eBay, downloading mp3s, or anything else besides basic news stories or websites made simply for the heck of it. Then, of course, there's gaming - there was quite a graphical leap between the 32 and 64-bit titles of the late 90s the smooth polygon, occasionally online games of the 6th generation. There was also the Game Boy Advance. Cell phones were also a heck of a lot more popular in the early 2000s than they were in the late 90s. Finally, DVD's, while not completely dominant yet, were actually a serious alternative to VHS in the early 2000s in a way they hadn't been upon their introduction.

Geopolitically, things were quite different, too. First you had the election of Republican George W. Bush, replacing Democrat Bill Clinton, then you had 9/11. Also, the Dot Com Boom was over.

In film, superhero flicks were far bigger draws at the box office than they were in the late 90s, which did see the release of Blade but were otherwise marred by garbage like Batman & Robin, Spawn, and Steel, and instead thrived off of disaster epics like Armageddon, Volcano, and Titanic.

In music, the late 90s were dominated by that slick, cheesy, funky sound of Bad Boy Records, as well as No Limit representing gangsta rap. By the early 2000s, you instead had the Neptunes and Irv Gotti producing most of the top 40 hits, although Timbaland was a prominent figure during both stretches of time and already made early 2000s-sounding music from his initial breaktrough in 1996. Rock was quite different between the late 90s and early 2000s, as well; the late 90s had mostly the remnants of classic 90s alternative, still with a fair amount of experimentation, whereas the early 2000s were full-on dominated by second wave post-grunge bands like 3 Doors Down, Fuel, Staind, Puddle of Mudd, and Human Clay/Weathered-era Creed. Additionally, pop punk was more established in the mainstream following blink's Enema, whereas it was still a tad grittier in the late 90s.
Oh. I know. I was just using CN as an example showing the difference between the late 90s and early 00s. I still agree with everything else you said though. In the late 90s, 4th and 5th generation gaming was everywhere. By the early 00s, it was the 6th generation.

But my point was that surf rock was so insignificant in 1962 that it could hardly be considered a movement then whatsoever. Its heyday was really spring 1963 to winter 1963/1964.
Surf rock was not insignificant in 1962. Anyways, I'll tired of this pointless debate.


I can understand fine why you would go with 1962 as the quintessential early 60s year, but for me personally, it just comes down to the fact that if you showed me a portrait from 1963, I would find it much easier to identify it as early 60s, whereas with 1962, especially the first two thirds of the year, I would be likely to confuse it with 1959, 1958, or even 1957. I feel that 1963 gives an identity to the early 60s far more than any of the three years that preceded it. It's definitely not the Beatlemania mid-60s, but it at least feels somewhat developed compared to the late 50s.
I have never confused 1962 for 1957-1959 especially since JFK was President in 1962 and Eisenhower was Prez from 1957-1959.


Which means it was pretty much the same in 1975 and 1976 as it was in 1977 and 1978.
Stagflation still existed since 1973 and it was bad from the get go. You can't go around that.


It still occurred within a greater culturally era that basically spans from 1975 to early 1979. Isolated events like the Summer Olympics are insignificant if you're simply trying to categorize a year with one cultural era or the other.
I have never heard anyone say that 1975-1979 was one big era but whatever. Once again, we're just going in circles...I give up.


After the Nixon pardon and fall of Saigon, however, the issues he faced were pretty much identical to those Carter had to deal with during his first two years in office.
*waves white flag*


Of those inventions, only the Atari 2600 existed as early as 1977, and even so, almost nobody owned one in the late 70s; 1977 was actually the commercial peak of Pong consoles, the 1st-gen predecessors to the 2600, and those had been for sale since 1975. The Walkman was only invented in 1979 and didn't peak until the 80s, while the Intellivision was merely test-marketed in 1979, not being officially released until 1980
*waves white flag*


No, he's right. Prior to 1963, surf rock was basically an underground movement, hardly ever seeing the Top 40. Late 1962 was really the first time the public experienced it mainstream at all, and even so, it definitely wasn't a movement, as "Surfin' Safari" was the only full-on surf rock song to achieve major success, with "Ten Little Indians" flopping and "James Bond Theme" really only being part-surf rock because of the guitar riff, otherwise it was just a typical big band composition with a bit more flair than usual. After "Surfin' Safari," it wouldn't even be for another several months before surf rock songs began entering the Top 40 again.

*waves white flag*

I'm just tired of this at this point :-\\.

Big ups, T-Rex  8)


1986 was a transition year - it felt like a bridge between the synthpop and new wave 80's and the glam 80's. 1987 was absolutely glam 80's, and 1988 was peak glam 80's.

Surf rock was not insignificant in 1962. Anyways, I'll tired of this pointless debate.

It was definitely insignificant compared to what it was in 1963, which gives 1963 a huge edge in defining the early 60s.

I have never confused 1962 for 1957-1959 especially since JFK was President in 1962 and Eisenhower was Prez from 1957-1959.

I really mean if you play like a clip from a movie or television show from 1960-1962, or played me a song from those years, I'd be likely to guess they're from the late 50s, whereas stuff from 1963 is mostly very easy to pinpoint directly in the early 60s.

I'm just tired of this at this point :-\\.

I'm sorry if this is tiring to you, I just enjoy exchanging perspectives, and I loved hearing yours.

It was definitely insignificant compared to what it was in 1963, which gives 1963 a huge edge in defining the early 60s.
I understand.


I really mean if you play like a clip from a movie or television show from 1960-1962, or played me a song from those years, I'd be likely to guess they're from the late 50s, whereas stuff from 1963 is mostly very easy to pinpoint directly in the early 60s.
Fair enough.


I'm sorry if this is tiring to you, I just enjoy exchanging perspectives, and I loved hearing yours.

Same here. However, I just don't feel like continuing this debate. Also, no worries #Infinity...this more to do with me than you.

While glam was absolutely massive in 87-89, synthpop didn't go anywhere. One of the best and most commercially successful synthpop records ever (Depeche Mode's Violator) came out in 1990; most of the songs like Enjoy The Silence and Policy of Truth (non-singles, too, like Sweetest Perfection) feature what might be known as the "classic sound", too. Other albums like The Raw and Crooked and Technique (both from 1989) were huge synthpop albums, too. As far as the "dancy sound" goes, that already started in '85 with stuff like Scritti Politti.

If I had to split the 80's into two eras, roughly I could put it like this:

New Wave 80's: late '79 - summer '84
Madonna 80's: late '84 - mid '90

There were lots of songs made in 1999 that can easily counter that comparison, like "You Owe Me," "Caught Out There," "No Scrubs," and "Back That Thang Up," which would, in fact, fit in easily with the early 2000s. Pretty much the majority of big hits in 1999 blend in with early 2000s songs. Also, not only did bubblegum teen pop still exist through 2001, it even still had some fair presence in the UK as late as 2003, thanks to acts like S Club, Atomic Kitten, and LeAnn Rimes. Sure, things started to trend more towards urban after 9/11, but the overall sound of 1999 isn't super different from 2002, like Jordan has pointed out before.


Using me as an example is always a nice compliment. Thanks! O0

Using me as an example is always a nice compliment. Thanks! O0


Hey, you're welcome! Can't ever forget about the Xtreme era of November 28, 1997 to 2002! 8)

Hey, you're welcome! Can't ever forget about the Xtreme era of November 28, 1997 to 2002! 8)


LOL that made me smile! Thanks. :P

1964-1966 (British Invasion Period)
1967-1972 (The Hippie '60s)
1973-1974 (The '70s Transition)
1975-mid 1976 (The Early Disco Era)
Later 1976-Mid 1980 (Peak Disco Era)
Late 1980-Late 1983 (The Pre-'80s/Post-'70s and New Wave Era)
Early 1984-Early 1987 (The Classic '80s)
Mid1987-Mid 1989 (The Hair Metal '80s)
Late 1989-Mid 1991 (The Pre-'90s/Post-'80s and Vanilla Ice Era)
Late 1991-1994 (The Classic '90s/Grunge Era)
1995-Late1997 (The Macarena/Alanis Morisette/California Love Era)
Early 1998-Mid 2001 (Y2K/The Late '90s and Pre 9/11 '00s)
Late 2001-Early 2004 (Peak Iraq War era)
Mid 2004-Late 2007 (The Classic '00s/iPod and Grillz Era)
Early 2008-2010 (Peak Recession/early Obama era)
2010-2015 (Smartphone, HDTV, EDM, Hipster era)
2016-Present (Era of Division)

I’ll take a swing out of this, with the best of my ability!


Peak 60s: 1966-1967 (Peak Vietnam War, 007, Hippies, Flower Power, 67’ Summer of Love, Peak Beatles, etc.)


Peak 70s: 1976-1977: (Rocky, Star Wars, 70s Malaise, Ford/Carter, 76’ Election, Punk Breaks out but Metal still strong, Disco Fever)


Peak 80s: 1985-1986: (Rambo, Top Gun, & The Goonies, Beginning of the end for USSR, hair metal & hip hop breaks out, New wave still strong, launch of NES, peak of Reagan’s presidency)


Peak 90s: 1994-1995 (Forest Gump, Clueless, & Toy Story, Peak popularity for grunge, golden age hip hop & house music, golden age of Nickelodeon, SNES & Genesis console war at peak, Clinton’s presidency being shaped by the Republican Revolution, OJ Simpson Trial, launch of Netscape & Internet Explorer respectively and the subsequent adoption of personal computers)


Peak 00s: 2005-2006 (Star Wars: Revenge of The Sith, The Chronicles of Narnia, & Tokyo Drift, Peak popularity for Emo, Pop Punk, ‘Dirty Pop’ & Crunk/Snap rap, core CN City Era, PS2, GameCube, Xbox, & D.S at peak popularity along with launch of 7th gen hardware, Motorola Razr, Hurricane Katrina, Housing Bubble, start of Bush backlash)


Peak 10s: 2015-2016 (Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Jurassic World, & Moonlight, Peak popularity for Modern Era Teen Pop, Indie Rock, & Trap Rap, CN renaissance, Peak popularity for Xbox One, PS4, & to a lesser extent the Wii U right before the mid gen Xbone One X and PS4 Pro upgrades are released, final Obama years and the 2015-2016 election surrounding the controversies of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton)