I didn't really know how else to say it..



How about digital diddling?  No! I did not come up with that term myself. Carlos actually came up with that one.  ;D ;D ;D




Cat

Or you can ask your girlfriend ;)


Why don't you ask your's, Howard?  I don't have a girlfriend afterall. ;D

It's like the Frankfurter image you can't help but visualise it! 

No I had a briss.

'Bat the Bishop' maybe?  ;D

'Bat the Bishop' maybe?  ;D


;D  ;D

Why don't you ask your's, Howard?  I don't have a girlfriend afterall. ;D


What was that I was supposed to ask her?

It's like the Frankfurter image you can't help but visualise it! 


Also try to imagine the banana image. ;D

Also try to imagine the banana image. ;D



http://www.mustangmods.com/data/10900/banana.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/10900/banana.jpg



That's one scared banana!!   ;D

Anywho.. let's try to get back on topic. :)

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/10900/banana.jpg


That's about the size of it.

Bump.

Can ya smell the desperation, folks? ;D

Can ya smell the desperation, folks? ;D
naw, I don't see it as desperation, you're just trying to follow your built-in instincts. I think you've studied and been given some answers and ideas here and now you need to go out into the world and start talking to women. Just be yourself, like you are here on the board, you can do that.

naw, I don't see it as desperation, you're just trying to follow your built-in instincts. I think you've studied and been given some answers and ideas here and now you need to go out into the world and start talking to women. Just be yourself, like you are here on the board, you can do that.



It's hard to get out there.  I don't really know where I should go, honestly.


I do truely feel desperate, and I think that's just going to drive women away.

But I can't help it. I'm 18 years old and I still haven't learned a damned thing about dealing with women.  I'm no better than some little 13 year old.  And that's what I feel like.  I don't even feel like a man, I feel like a little boy.  Being so inept in this area of life is really de-masculating(is that the word?). 

I know some of you may not understand, you may know people in your life who didn't start until late or perhaps you yourself didn't start until late.  But I come from a family where all the men started out early and strong.  All of them except me.  And then in highschool, there were a few people like me, but most at least dated at some point(I'm not even talking about sex, just simply going out).  Even my friend Keith, who was mr "anti social" supposedly, had a girlfriend his senior year.

And to give you an idea about my family the oldest of us to lose the big V was my dad, and he was 16.  Of course, it's obvious I'm going to beat him out.  And by several years probably. :(

My older brother was 12 for god's sake(granted, he was a month from his 13th bday). 

And to give you an idea about my family the oldest of us to lose the big V was my dad, and he was 16.  Of course, it's obvious I'm going to beat him out.  And by several years probably. :(

My older brother was 12 for god's sake(granted, he was a month from his 13th bday). 
I wouldn't put to much emphasis on hitting a HR, just get some socializing (batting practice). See if there are any youth or college/career age groups in the area that have volleyball nights or something, It may be at a church because that's where I met a lot of people when I was 22. My bro-in-law had heard there was a group that met for a short study, and then volleyball. it was fun and there were cute girls there. Not that I'm trying to send you to a church to try to get some action, but you need somewhere to develop your social skills. Maybe a bowling league, or go to Starbucks, try to get in line in front of a fox, when you pay for your drink, tell the cashier you're paying for the person behind you and do it. When they refuse your offer or question why, just say someone did that for you, and they said they wanted you to pass on the kindness. any positive interaction will be benificial. Does your school have any coed sports activities that you could participate in?

It's hard to get out there.  I don't really know where I should go, honestly.


I do truely feel desperate, and I think that's just going to drive women away.

But I can't help it. I'm 18 years old and I still haven't learned a damned thing about dealing with women.  I'm no better than some little 13 year old.  And that's what I feel like.  I don't even feel like a man, I feel like a little boy.  Being so inept in this area of life is really de-masculating(is that the word?). 

I know some of you may not understand, you may know people in your life who didn't start until late or perhaps you yourself didn't start until late.  But I come from a family where all the men started out early and strong.  All of them except me.  And then in highschool, there were a few people like me, but most at least dated at some point(I'm not even talking about sex, just simply going out).  Even my friend Keith, who was mr "anti social" supposedly, had a girlfriend his senior year.
Everyone has to start somewhere, and the first thing you need to do is stop getting so down on yourself. Don't beat yourself up. That's probably the worst thing you can do. Instead, you should work on accepting yourself for who you are, and on improving yourself in areas where you feel you might need improvement. Sure, you may have your flaws, but so does everyone else (even though some people might act otherwise) and when it's all said and done your flaws probably don't matter nearly as much as you might think.
  And as far as being from a family where "all the men started out early and strong?" So what? Why compare yourself to others? I mean, do your brothers or your dad give you a hard time about it? Do you feel that you need to uphold some perceived family tradition or something? Forget about all that. All that does is puts an unnecessary amount of pressure on yourself for no good reason, and that just makes things that much harder. Don't sweat the small stuff.
  As I've said before, it all comes down to what you believe about yourself. If you believe that you are desperate and that you still feel like a little boy, guess what? That's the attitude you'll project, and having an air of desparation about you is like girl DEET. However, if you begin thinking of yourself as a confident young MAN who has plenty to offer, and if you maintain a positive attitude and believe that if you keep working at it you will eventually succeed, that's when good things will begin to happen.  ;)

I'm 20 and I still haven't had a real girlfriend (can't believe I said that), spare a though for me  :\'(...

It's hard to get out there.  I don't really know where I should go, honestly.


I do truely feel desperate, and I think that's just going to drive women away.

But I can't help it. I'm 18 years old and I still haven't learned a damned thing about dealing with women.  I'm no better than some little 13 year old.  And that's what I feel like.  I don't even feel like a man, I feel like a little boy.  Being so inept in this area of life is really de-masculating(is that the word?). 

I know some of you may not understand, you may know people in your life who didn't start until late or perhaps you yourself didn't start until late.  But I come from a family where all the men started out early and strong.  All of them except me.  And then in highschool, there were a few people like me, but most at least dated at some point(I'm not even talking about sex, just simply going out).  Even my friend Keith, who was mr "anti social" supposedly, had a girlfriend his senior year.


What most guys don't understand is there are women everywhere waiting for guys to ask them out.  I would bet that there is someone in your school, church, neighborhood, who has a crush on you, who is figuring that you would never ask her out, while you are probably mooning over the girl who wouldn't spend 5 minutes on you.

What most guys don't understand is there are women everywhere waiting for guys to ask them out.  I would bet that there is someone in your school, church, neighborhood, who has a crush on you, who is figuring that you would never ask her out, while you are probably mooning over the girl who wouldn't spend 5 minutes on you.



I agree. There are plenty of girls out there in the same situation you are...thinking that there is nobody out there for them...but in reality, there is! :)

I wouldn't put to much emphasis on hitting a HR, just get some socializing (batting practice). See if there are any youth or college/career age groups in the area that have volleyball nights or something, It may be at a church because that's where I met a lot of people when I was 22. My bro-in-law had heard there was a group that met for a short study, and then volleyball. it was fun and there were cute girls there. Not that I'm trying to send you to a church to try to get some action, but you need somewhere to develop your social skills. Maybe a bowling league, or go to Starbucks, try to get in line in front of a fox, when you pay for your drink, tell the cashier you're paying for the person behind you and do it. When they refuse your offer or question why, just say someone did that for you, and they said they wanted you to pass on the kindness. any positive interaction will be benificial. Does your school have any coed sports activities that you could participate in?


I'm not really placing emphasis on the Home Run.  I was just pointing out how early everybody in my family but me started. (my cousins, 14, 14, 13 my uncle was 15 etc.)

I know what you mean though, I need better social skills.  To answer your question I'm not in school right now.


Everyone has to start somewhere, and the first thing you need to do is stop getting so down on yourself. Don't beat yourself up. That's probably the worst thing you can do. Instead, you should work on accepting yourself for who you are, and on improving yourself in areas where you feel you might need improvement. Sure, you may have your flaws, but so does everyone else (even though some people might act otherwise) and when it's all said and done your flaws probably don't matter nearly as much as you might think.
  And as far as being from a family where "all the men started out early and strong?" So what? Why compare yourself to others? I mean, do your brothers or your dad give you a hard time about it? Do you feel that you need to uphold some perceived family tradition or something? Forget about all that. All that does is puts an unnecessary amount of pressure on yourself for no good reason, and that just makes things that much harder. Don't sweat the small stuff.
  As I've said before, it all comes down to what you believe about yourself. If you believe that you are desperate and that you still feel like a little boy, guess what? That's the attitude you'll project, and having an air of desparation about you is like girl DEET. However, if you begin thinking of yourself as a confident young MAN who has plenty to offer, and if you maintain a positive attitude and believe that if you keep working at it you will eventually succeed, that's when good things will begin to happen.  ;)


Yeah.. It's just hard to make yourself believe good things when you don't have any social proof to back it up.



What most guys don't understand is there are women everywhere waiting for guys to ask them out.  I would bet that there is someone in your school, church, neighborhood, who has a crush on you, who is figuring that you would never ask her out, while you are probably mooning over the girl who wouldn't spend 5 minutes on you.


I wish I knew who they were! lol

It's not like I'm a 3 pining for a 10 or something.  I like "normal" girls all the time.  The problem more than anything else is the fact i'm scared to death of approaching women, hitting on them, asking for their phone number or a date etc.

I get stomach aches, I stutter, I can't hold eye contact.. I'm pretty bad.

And I don't just freak out with "hotties", I do this with normal, everyday girls.

I'm an expert and have been getting women for over 40 years now!

You just have to talk to them like they're guys (without the grossness). Don't even think about them being girls. Just talk!

meeting girls through mutual friends can help with this a lot, the nervous stuttering thing. because the social environment is different, the expectations are different. you're not on yourself to "make time" with her or what have you.

also i think it helps to think in the here and now, think about the moment you're in. a lot of times i'd be talking to a girl and in my head i was all, does she like me? will she think i suck in bed? will our marriage survive? when i didn't even know her last name. helps to keep in perspective if you occasionally do the affirmation, you know, 'i'm just asking her out for coffee, it's not that big a thing.'

but i used to have the same problem, i think a lot of it is just hormone intoxication, it gets better with age. of course then you're not good-looking anymore.

If you're a guy,never let your girlfriend say your penis is a small frankfurter. >:(  ::)

meeting girls through mutual friends can help with this a lot, the nervous stuttering thing. because the social environment is different, the expectations are different. you're not on yourself to "make time" with her or what have you.

also i think it helps to think in the here and now, think about the moment you're in. a lot of times i'd be talking to a girl and in my head i was all, does she like me? will she think i suck in bed? will our marriage survive? when i didn't even know her last name. helps to keep in perspective if you occasionally do the affirmation, you know, 'i'm just asking her out for coffee, it's not that big a thing.'

but i used to have the same problem, i think a lot of it is just hormone intoxication, it gets better with age. of course then you're not good-looking anymore.


If it's hormone intoxication though, then why aren't all the guys my age like me?


And meeting a girl through a friend is something I've thought about.  But I don't have any friends that live here..

I'm moving to Dallas this summer, and that's where my best friend Justin lives.  But I can't expect him to hook me up with girls, he's still in high school.

meeting girls through mutual friends can help with this a lot, the nervous stuttering thing. because the social environment is different, the expectations are different. you're not on yourself to "make time" with her or what have you.

Just beware of what I call the "blind-date paradox." Back in the days when I was shy, there were a few times when I'd be hanging out with one of my male friends who would be with a new girlfriend, and I'd just be chilling and talking to her and I could be my natural, funny outgoing self around her because I had no designs on her and thus I felt no pressure to try and win her over or to somehow "impress" her. And because of this, she'd see my attractive qualities and immediately want to set me up with a friend of hers. So I'd get set up on these blind dates and guess what? I'd wind up blowing it because I'd put all this pressure back on myself because I was on a DATE now, and I just HAD to make it work this time, so I'd get nervous and self-conscious and worry about saying or doing just the right thing, and all this tension would cancel out all the attractive qualities that her friend saw in me and I'd never get anywhere.

also i think it helps to think in the here and now, think about the moment you're in. a lot of times i'd be talking to a girl and in my head i was all, does she like me? will she think i suck in bed? will our marriage survive? when i didn't even know her last name. helps to keep in perspective if you occasionally do the affirmation, you know, 'i'm just asking her out for coffee, it's not that big a thing.'

What's really helped me is that I just try and focus on having a good time, and I don't get too hung up on the outcome. This helps to elevate my mood, and when I'm in a good mood I'm confident and I can be quite witty and charming, and I think of MYSELF as the prize to be won over, not her. And since I started thinking that way, my success rate has improved dramatically. Plus, if I get shot down, I might get bummed about it a little, but I just wait a few days and let it pass and I remind myself that I'll have other opportunites. (I just went through an episode over the last 3 weeks that put my resolve to the test, and I had to fight to stick to my own advice, but it's over now and I know that I'm a lot better off without her.)

but i used to have the same problem, i think a lot of it is just hormone intoxication, it gets better with age. of course then you're not good-looking anymore.

Not me. I get better-looking every day.  ;)

If you're a guy,never let your girlfriend say your penis is a small frankfurter. >:(   ::)
WELL ALLRIGHTY THEN!!!! The Sage has spoken  ;D  ;D

WELL ALLRIGHTY THEN!!!! The Sage has spoken  ;D   ;D



If you don't have a porn star weiner,She probably won't want it.

And I don't just freak out with "hotties", I do this with normal, everyday girls.

You need to build on your self esteem which will make you much more confident in approaching ladies. Also don't take yourself too seriously, ordinary women love men who are relaxed and comfortable with themselves without being arrogant.
A little tip - sometimes a little shyness is quite sexy actually.

I think alot of this may have to do with you not wanting to get into the "friend zone".  If you approach a girl you are attracted to thinking "I want to 'date' you", you are more likely to be nervous.  If you initially approach them thinking "She's cool.  I'd just like to get to know her better", you might not be as nervous. 


That's really good advice...each person you meet is a potential friend.  And it's better to get to know someone first before you decide you want to get more intimate. (meaning dating).

If you don't have a porn star weiner,She probably won't want it.


I'm starting to get the hang of all the American speak now, and NO that is a popular misconception Howie.

Maybe female porn stars need...ok I'm not gonna elaborate any further  ;D

If you don't have a porn star weiner,She probably won't want it.
This is absolutely 100 percent true. Unless you've got a popeye forearm down there, she'll probably just want to sit up late talking.

This is absolutely 100 percent true. Unless you've got a popeye forearm down there, she'll probably just want to sit up late talking.


:o :o :o

:o :o :o
and WITH the anchor tattoo! all women demand that you get the anchor tattoo.

and WITH the anchor tattoo! all women demand that you get the anchor tattoo.


That is the sexiest thing you have ever said.

and WITH the anchor tattoo! all women demand that you get the anchor tattoo.


:( Will a snake do.. there isn't that much room for anymore..

Get that jerk from the games board in here too...he needs advice badly

Get that jerk from the games board in here too...he needs advice badly


I do believe I know who you mean..

I do believe you are correct..

and WITH the anchor tattoo! all women demand that you get the anchor tattoo.
NO! NO! NO! If you're going to go through what has to be the excruciating pain of getting ink done on your unit, you'd might as well get the words "YOUR NAME" tattooed on it. That way, you could be this guy!

(At your stereotypical nightclub/meat market:)

THAT GUY: Say, baby, what's your name?
BABE: Lisa...
THAT GUY: Say, Lisa, I'll bet you fifty bucks that I have "your name" tattooed on my peter...

NO! NO! NO! If you're going to go through what has to be the excruciating pain of getting ink done on your unit, you'd might as well get the words "YOUR NAME" tattooed on it. That way, you could be this guy!

(At your stereotypical nightclub/meat market:)

THAT GUY: Say, baby, what's your name?
BABE: Lisa...
THAT GUY: Say, Lisa, I'll bet you fifty bucks that I have "your name" tattooed on my peter...


Something like this, but lower.
http://www.satirewire.com/news/0112/images/guilty.gif

You need to build on your self esteem which will make you much more confident in approaching ladies. Also don't take yourself too seriously, ordinary women love men who are relaxed and comfortable with themselves without being arrogant.
A little tip - sometimes a little shyness is quite sexy actually.


Really!?? :o  I never heard that..

Really!?? :o  I never heard that..


I know quite a few women who consider a certain reserved confidence great in a man - never introvert though, that's a turn off. 

Really!?? :o  I never heard that..


You haven't been listening then, lots and lots of us like the guy who doesn't do all the talking.  Just because we are
laughing at some guy who is telling a great story doesn't mean we aren't trying to figure out what the shy guy
in the corner is thinking about.  Shyness is a big turn on.  You gotta be the shy guy who focuses in on one and
speaks to her, just her.  ;)

I know quite a few women who consider a certain reserved confidence great in a man - never introvert though, that's a turn off. 


Oh.



You haven't been listening then, lots and lots of us like the guy who doesn't do all the talking.  Just because we are
laughing at some guy who is telling a great story doesn't mean we aren't trying to figure out what the shy guy
in the corner is thinking about.  Shyness is a big turn on.  You gotta be the shy guy who focuses in on one and
speaks to her, just her.  ;)


Ok.  I dunno EXACTLY what that means but I'll try.

Oh.


Ok.  I dunno EXACTLY what that means but I'll try.


I got myself a shy boy.  I had to do a lot of the coaxing to get him to ask me out...that happens too- and I'm sure it's a big relief.

I'm starting to get the hang of all the American speak now, and NO that is a popular misconception Howie.

Maybe female porn stars need...ok I'm not gonna elaborate any further   ;D


Yeah,what do they need,HUH? ;D ;)

This is absolutely 100 percent true. Unless you've got a popeye forearm down there, she'll probably just want to sit up late talking.


Would she want to talk to IT? ;D ;)

Would she want to talk to IT? ;D ;)


I doubt she'd break off the conversation to chat with Information Technology unless she was having urgent computer problems.

I doubt she'd break off the conversation to chat with Information Technology unless she was having urgent computer problems.


comic genius!

I doubt she'd break off the conversation to chat with Information Technology unless she was having urgent computer problems.
that would probably be a priority 3 call, one that prevents or significantly hampers the performance of the organization and one for which there isn't an immediately available workaround.i read about stuff like that in our help desk literature.

I doubt she'd break off the conversation to chat with Information Technology unless she was having urgent computer problems.


You know damn well what I'm talking about. ::)

I doubt she'd break off the conversation to chat with Information Technology unless she was having urgent computer problems.
;D  ;D  IT

Could you guys PLEASE stay on topic?

Could you guys PLEASE stay on topic?



But what else can we tell you to do? We've all given advice. Was there anything else you needed advice on?

I dunno,  I'm the rookie here, I don't know if there's anything else to say or not. :P

I can see where this is heading. Some months down the road, this thread will be replaced by the new Class for the Romantically Heartbroken because it will happen, some lil' sweeties gonna rip your heart to shreds, but I know you'd rather have that than not have it, and you will have it once you apply all these proven, tried and tested techniques you now own for free! Now hit the pavement and go bag some broads.  8)

Could you guys PLEASE stay on topic?
how's that for staying on topic

I dunno,  I'm the rookie here, I don't know if there's anything else to say or not. :P
Yes. At a friend's wedding last summer, I was hanging out with another friend of mine's dad when he said to me, "You'll have to corral yourself one of those crazy Kansas City women." To which I replied, "No, they have to corral ME." He then turned to another friend's dad and said, "Damn, this kid's got the right idea."
    That's the attitude you need to gain. Start thinking of YOURSELF as the prize.  ;)

Yes. At a friend's wedding last summer, I was hanging out with another friend of mine's dad when he said to me, "You'll have to corral yourself one of those crazy Kansas City women." To which I replied, "No, they have to corral ME." He then turned to another friend's dad and said, "Damn, this kid's got the right idea."
    That's the attitude you need to gain. Start thinking of YOURSELF as the prize.  ;)
That reminds me of the story Robert Duvall tells Sean Penn in the movie Colors. They're cops woking the gang neighborhoods and as they're driving Duvall gives Penn a little story with a moral at the end.  "A papa bull and his young son bull are up on a hill gazing down at a herd of cows in the pasture. The young bull says to his dad, hey papa, what say we run down there and f*ck one of them there cows?  The papa bull looks at him and says, no son, let's walk down and f*ck em all.   

That reminds me of the story Robert Duvall tells Sean Penn in the movie Colors. They're cops woking the gang neighborhoods and as they're driving Duvall gives Penn a little story with a moral at the end.  "A papa bull and his young son bull are up on a hill gazing down at a herd of cows in the pasture. The young bull says to his dad, hey papa, what say we run down there and f*ck one of them there cows?  The papa bull looks at him and says, no son, let's walk down and f*ck em all.   

Amen, brother! (+1 karma for Badfinger-fan)

Amen, brother! (+1 karma for Badfinger-fan)
right back atcha +1  Al.  I love that story of not being to hasty and impatient, and it's a good movie.
Take your time El_Duderino, your turn in the batters box will come.

I got myself a shy boy.  I had to do a lot of the coaxing to get him to ask me out...that happens too- and I'm sure it's a big relief.



Dont'cha just love the anticipation aswell... I do   

I doubt she'd break off the conversation to chat with Information Technology unless she was having urgent computer problems.


;D ;D I like that...very witty   ;D

Always use a condom! O0 ;D

I can see where this is heading. Some months down the road, this thread will be replaced by the new Class for the Romantically Heartbroken because it will happen, some lil' sweeties gonna rip your heart to shreds, but I know you'd rather have that than not have it, and you will have it once you apply all these proven, tried and tested techniques you now own for free! Now hit the pavement and go bag some broads.  8)  how's that for staying on topic


Noone is going to do that to me. 

I've already had my heart broken before.  So that nerve ending is already closed as far as I'm concerned.

I've already had my heart broken before.  So that nerve ending is already closed as far as I'm concerned.


Just broken, I had mine ripped out of my chest and used for a baseball while still beating, I guess he thought I wasn't going to be needing it, well he was wrong. From that I learned never to lie to myself about my feelings, or the feelings of the person I am involved with, and when to walk away. Thing is, after getting over it I wondered what the hell I must have been thinking, the guy was(is) pretty much a bonehead and it wouldn't have lasted, if it had it wouldn't have been pretty.  There's a choice to be made, a sad story, or a long sad story.  ;)

^Yeah Danoota, that's what I was thinking myself.  I mean the person who broke my heart was not someone I had used up a lot of my time with in a relationship or anything.  I hope since I got burned once already,  that I can emotionally distance myself enough to know when to drop a relationship that isn't good for me before it blows up in my face.

^Yeah Danoota, that's what I was thinking myself.  I mean the person who broke my heart was not someone I had used up a lot of my time with in a relationship or anything.  I hope since I got burned once already,  that I can emotionally distance myself enough to know when to drop a relationship that isn't good for me before it blows up in my face.



That is something that we all have to learn to do. I didn't learn how to until I was well into my 30s. You have to listen to your heart and your head. When either one is screaming at you, listen to it. I have been in both situations. At first, I didn't listen to my head when it was screaming at me and went with my heart-and ended up with heartache. But one time, my head was telling me that I should walk away but my heart was screaming at me-and I listened to my heart that time, and I am so glad that I did. The end result-I am now happily married to the man of my dreams. If I had listened to my head that time, I would probably be very lonely today. Basically what I am saying (in A LOT of words) is TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS!!!



Cat

Noone is going to do that to me. 
Heartbreaks happen but that's not the focus here. I hope it does not happen and who can tell what tomorrow will bring. You got some good stuff/advice/experiences coming in from both genders here. A wealth of good info, almost enough to write a book with.

Heartbreaks happen but that's not the focus here. I hope it does not happen and who can tell what tomorrow will bring. You got some good stuff/advice/experiences coming in from both genders here. A wealth of good info, almost enough to write a book with.


Actually, that brings me to my one contribution about all this...

A lot of people here have offered you some good advice. Here's the thing: you should consider, you should see what makes sense to you, you should maybe even integrate some of it into your moves, whatever, but...

When you're out there spittin' game, make sure it's your game. Don't load yourself up with so much technique etc. that you lose yourself in the process. If the woman is perceptive (and when it comes to guys, so many of them seem to be) she'll figure out fairly quickly if you've put up some kinda facade. Make sure that, whatever you're doing, it's still you coming through and not just an image, because, trust me, when you find someone who likes you for you and not for something more superficial, it will be one of the most rewarding times of your life.

That is all. Whatever you do, best of luck.

I'm romantically disadvantaged....help!!! 

I'm romantically disadvantaged....help!!! 
No way! what help do you need? Are we going to have to start a Lonely Hearts Club thread?  :(

I'm romantically disadvantaged....help!!! 


Awww  :-*

;D  ;D  ;)

No way! what help do you need? Are we going to have to start a Lonely Hearts Club thread?  :(


Well we might have to discuss this further..  wink wink


Awww  :-*

;D  ;D  ;)


:) :)   ;D crazy bwoy!!

Well we might have to discuss this further..  wink wink


further discussion and counseling will definitely be a good idea.  3/23  is open on my calendar

further discussion and counseling will definitely be a good idea.  3/23  is open on my calendar


I've pencilled it in my diary for later  ;D

I'm romantically disadvantaged....help!!! 


The Doctor Is In. ;D

I'm romantically disadvantaged....help!!! 


Do you wanna go for frosty chocolate milkshakes?

Do you wanna go for frosty chocolate milkshakes?


Can I go with you? ;D

Do you wanna go for frosty chocolate milkshakes?


Sounds good to me!

slurpppppppppssssssss

Sounds good to me!

slurpppppppppssssssss


You want some whipped cream with that? LOL. ;D

You want some whipped cream with that? LOL. ;D


Sure..but you left it in the other thread!!

Sure..but you left it in the other thread!!


I must get it.

You do that.... ;D ::)

I'm romantically disadvantaged....help!!! 


Me too... but I think everyone here knows that. :-[

Me too... but I think everyone here knows that. :-[

Do you live in the 2D world?

Do you live in the 2D world?


Hmm?

Do you live in the 2D world?


Non desca?

What do you mean by that? ???

Non desca?

What do you mean by that? ???

I mean with your animations and all  ;D

Well, do I live in Gotham? ;)

I mean with your animations and all   ;D


Well I'm real enough, otherwise I wouldn't be typing..... ::) ;D

but anyway..... ::)

I don't actually live in a 2D world out in public, unless I'm really bored. :D

;D I feel your pain, Step-chan.  The other night I heard Carlos Mencia diss on people who read comic books.  You gotta roll with the punches.. ::)

Well I'm real enough, otherwise I wouldn't be typing..... ::) ;D

but anyway..... ::)

I don't actually live in a 2D world out in public, unless I'm really bored. :D


Seriously no disrespect is intended here.  :) :)

Do you wanna go for frosty chocolate milkshakes?
smooth move Alex  ;)  you're gettin the hang of it

Here is my 2 cents and humble opinion....

Having talked to you before Alex on that voice chat thing we used to have here - you are one of the most intelligent younger people I have met in a long time. That being said - you intimidated the heck out of me. I don't know how it happened but the conversation turned to politics and I felt like the stupidest person on the planet.

Intelligent intimidation is the quickest killer of any interaction, whether it is with friends of either sex or a possible girlfriend. It has been said before but I will say it again, reserve what you say until you are further into the relationship, if it progresses to that. That's not to say that you can't let her know your political affiliation, just don't kill it with an all out debate. ;)

I agree with all the other advice given to you. Be shy, but not to shy. Be confident, but not too confident etc...

You can laugh but the thing that I find helps me boost my self confidence is exercise of any kind. I always feel like I can conquer ANYTHING after rock climbing or hiking in fresh air. The fresh air does something to my mind, it is completely empowering!

You are a good guy, but that person sometimes gets lost amid your fears of rejection and over analyzing. A casual look from a female is a good thing, but try not to read too deeply into it. If a female says hi or asks a question, reply and then try to brush it off. I know you can do that!

8)

Here is my 2 cents and humble opinion....

Having talked to you before Alex on that voice chat thing we used to have here - you are one of the most intelligent younger people I have met in a long time. That being said - you intimidated the heck out of me. I don't know how it happened but the conversation turned to politics and I felt like the stupidest person on the planet.

Intelligent intimidation is the quickest killer of any interaction, whether it is with friends of either sex or a possible girlfriend. It has been said before but I will say it again, reserve what you say until you are further into the relationship, if it progresses to that. That's not to say that you can't let her know your political affiliation, just don't kill it with an all out debate. ;)


First of all- thank you.  Secondly, I apologize if I offended you in any way.  I honestly didn't mean to be intimidating if I came across that way.

I'll remember what you say.  It seems like really sensible advice.  People want to have fun..


You can laugh but the thing that I find helps me boost my self confidence is exercise of any kind. I always feel like I can conquer ANYTHING after rock climbing or hiking in fresh air. The fresh air does something to my mind, it is completely empowering!

You are a good guy, but that person sometimes gets lost amid your fears of rejection and over analyzing. A casual look from a female is a good thing, but try not to read too deeply into it. If a female says hi or asks a question, reply and then try to brush it off. I know you can do that!

8)


That's not funny at all.  I work out actually and I know what you mean.  I've felt better since I started. :)

And thanks again, really.  You're right, I fear rejection.. One step at a time, I guess.

smooth move Alex  ;)  you're gettin the hang of it


Now I just gotta work on saying things like that in REAL life without having a heart attack. ;D ;D

Now I just gotta work on saying things like that in REAL life without having a heart attack. ;D ;D
;D  ;D  actually it may be a underhanded plan to fake one and perhaps get CPR and mouth to mouth rescusitation like Squints, the little kid in the movie The Sandlot, when he fakes drowning at the pool and the cute lifeguard gives him mouth to mouth, then he grabs her and kisses her. That is so funny. Naw, that's not good advice, and you will be able to say things like that in REAL life, and if she declines the offer for a frothy milkshake, respond with a "I didn't really want one anyway"  ;)
do you mind if I try that your tomorrow with a friend at work? I'll let you know if it works.  8)

Here is my 2 cents and humble opinion....

Having talked to you before Alex on that voice chat thing we used to have here - you are one of the most intelligent younger people I have met in a long time. That being said - you intimidated the heck out of me. I don't know how it happened but the conversation turned to politics and I felt like the stupidest person on the planet.

Intelligent intimidation is the quickest killer of any interaction, whether it is with friends of either sex or a possible girlfriend. It has been said before but I will say it again, reserve what you say until you are further into the relationship, if it progresses to that. That's not to say that you can't let her know your political affiliation, just don't kill it with an all out debate. ;)

I agree with all the other advice given to you. Be shy, but not to shy. Be confident, but not too confident etc...

You can laugh but the thing that I find helps me boost my self confidence is exercise of any kind. I always feel like I can conquer ANYTHING after rock climbing or hiking in fresh air. The fresh air does something to my mind, it is completely empowering!

You are a good guy, but that person sometimes gets lost amid your fears of rejection and over analyzing. A casual look from a female is a good thing, but try not to read too deeply into it. If a female says hi or asks a question, reply and then try to brush it off. I know you can do that!

8)


Great post fantastic advice and very pertinent..I can almost sense his emotional barriers from his posts in that he keeps using antagonising behaviour to get attention - that aint the way - but I can see the posts are coming around as being more sociable. Alex sorry to discuss you like your not here.  :)
Guess this will take time and experience, but hey Alex you're only 18..man I thought your profile had 23 on it??  wtf

;D I feel your pain, Step-chan.  The other night I heard Carlos Mencia diss on people who read comic books.  You gotta roll with the punches.. ::)


My point in question  :( :(

Great post fantastic advice and very pertinent..I can almost sense his emotional barriers from his posts in that he keeps using antagonising behaviour to get attention - that aint the way - but I can see the posts are coming around as being more sociable. Alex sorry to discuss you like your not here.  :)
Guess this will take time and experience, but hey Alex you're only 18..man I thought your profile had 23 on it??  wtf

Thanks! I thought if I could say the right words and for it to come out right, then there shouldn't be any left over questions...

Again Alex, we apologize for talking as if you are not here...

He is a really good guy, albeit a little naive. The only time I have seen him actually be antagonistic is mostly on the politics board. The problem is that typing on such things as this thread - you can never tell the actual tone of voice or intended banter.  Granted, you can tell with some members exactly what they mean! ;)

The other thing I wanted to say to you Alex was try not to put too much emphasis on losing your virginity. It doesn't matter what your father and uncles and other family members did. You are not them. You are an individual, and by doing things your way and in your time makes you different from everyone else. You are the one who controls your destiny - and you don't have to follow in other peoples footsteps! Stay who you are and you will eventually get to where you need to be.

:)

Seriously no disrespect is intended here.   :) :)


None taken.  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Just gave an answer that was too literal for the fun of it. :)

Great post fantastic advice and very pertinent..I can almost sense his emotional barriers from his posts in that he keeps using antagonising behaviour to get attention - that aint the way - but I can see the posts are coming around as being more sociable. Alex sorry to discuss you like your not here.  :)
Guess this will take time and experience, but hey Alex you're only 18..man I thought your profile had 23 on it??  wtf


Emotional barriers? ???


My point in question  :( :(


Eh?


The other thing I wanted to say to you Alex was try not to put too much emphasis on losing your virginity. It doesn't matter what your father and uncles and other family members did. You are not them. You are an individual, and by doing things your way and in your time makes you different from everyone else. You are the one who controls your destiny - and you don't have to follow in other peoples footsteps! Stay who you are and you will eventually get to where you need to be.

:)


I understand I'm my own person, I just somehow feel like I'm less of a man presently for it.

I understand I'm my own person, I just somehow feel like I'm less of a man presently for it.


Absoloutly not! ABSOLOUTLY NOT, SAY THAT AGAIN AND I'LL TAKE A KNIFE AND MAKE YOU LESS OF A MAN!

.. :-*

Anywho, you always get some fuuck who say's "Be yourself man, it's the best way"  ::) No it isn't, most people are fuuckin fake ass shiits their entire lives. I've tried being fake, it sucks some major dick.

I walk around like bigfoot.. I play air guitar constantly.. I emit awful noises through different holes.. I'm the crudest person you'll ever meet.. this makes me far happier than pretending to be some piece of shiit snob.

You have to ask yourself an important question.

Would I rather find some slut who thinks I'm great because I'm so refined and wear such great clothes etc etc..

Or.. would you rather wait and meet some amazing woman who say's. "He's fun, he'll do"

Absoloutly not! ABSOLOUTLY NOT, SAY THAT AGAIN AND I'LL TAKE A KNIFE AND MAKE YOU LESS OF A MAN!

.. :-*

Anywho, you always get some fuuck who say's "Be yourself man, it's the best way"  ::) No it isn't, most people are fuuckin fake ass shiits their entire lives. I've tried being fake, it sucks some major dick.

I walk around like bigfoot.. I play air guitar constantly.. I emit awful noises through different holes.. I'm the crudest person you'll ever meet.. this makes me far happier than pretending to be some piece of shiit snob.

You have to ask yourself an important question.

Would I rather find some slut who thinks I'm great because I'm so refined and wear such great clothes etc etc..

Or.. would you rather wait and meet some amazing woman who say's. "He's fun, he'll do"


WOW. JUST. WOW.  :o 8)

WOW. JUST. WOW.  :o 8)


:) You sir, have been touched by an Angel.  ;D

:) You sir, have been touched by an Angel.  ;D


...of Darkness. :P ;D

Was that what that was?  ;) Cool.

...of Darkness. :P ;D


Well I am born under a Yang year in the Chinese zodiac. ;D

...of Darkness. :P ;D


;D Yeah, purrdy much.

Lucifer, angel of light.

Anyway.

I hope that clarify's things for ya my man.

Women are fickle creatures.. and men in good relationships are even worse.

Beware the advice of the happy, this do not wish to be joined.

Emotional barriers? ???

Eh?

I understand I'm my own person, I just somehow feel like I'm less of a man presently for it.


Being less than a man because he has kept his virginity is like saying a girl is less than a woman for losing her virginity.

I understand I'm my own person, I just somehow feel like I'm less of a man presently for it.

You are not less of a man because you haven't had sex!

Here is where things can get sticky but I'll say what I think on the matter.
Rushing to the moment of ultimate release is only going to make you feel let down. It isn't going to be pretty the first time : if you make it all the way through without mistakes or the abovious '30 seconds, oops I already came' some will be amazed. Your first time isn't all it's cracked up to be and it just might be better with someone who actually cares about you as opposed to the lady on the street corner. (cheaper too)

Even if you were to start a relationship right this second - doesn't mean you are going to get laid tonight. Women can sense when I man wants to get laid, it is the smell of desperation and it leaves an impression that can never be taken back.

Do you want to have sex with someone who has had like 30+ partners or would you rather learn at the same pace as your partner? I am not saying abstain - shoot, I lost mine just before my 18th birthday but I was also in that relationship for almost a year!

IMHO - your virginity makes you a better man.

You are not less of a man because you haven't had sex!

Here is where things can get sticky but I'll say what I think on the matter.
Rushing to the moment of ultimate release is only going to make you feel let down. It isn't going to be pretty the first time : if you make it all the way through without mistakes or the abovious '30 seconds, oops I already came' some will be amazed. Your first time isn't all it's cracked up to be and it just might be better with someone who actually cares about you as opposed to the lady on the street corner. (cheaper too)

Even if you were to start a relationship right this second - doesn't mean you are going to get laid tonight. Women can sense when I man wants to get laid, it is the smell of desperation and it leaves an impression that can never be taken back.

Do you want to have sex with someone who has had like 30+ partners or would you rather learn at the same pace as your partner? I am not saying abstain - shoot, I lost mine just before my 18th birthday but I was also in that relationship for almost a year!

IMHO - your virginity makes you a better man.



Well- first of all, there are tricks to avoid the 30 second foul up.  You can double wrap, and even take care of your own business first before you "take care of your business with her", lol. Plus I've been a chronic self-pleasurer since I was 13.  I know I'm a LOT less sensitive than when I first started.

And why would I want to learn with a partner? I'd MUCH rather have an experienced lover who is like both a lover and a teacher.  That is just me though, not everyones the same.

Being less than a man because he has kept his virginity is like saying a girl is less than a woman for losing her virginity.



And look at me,I'm 32 Years old and STILL a Virgin. >:( ::)

And look at me,I'm 32 Years old and STILL a Virgin. >:( ::)


You're a stronger man than me, Howie.

I would have given in by now to the temptation to get a you-know-what.

OK. Sorry Alex - I was talking out of my arse..(re my advice) please excuse me, I won't ever do it again.

You're a stronger man than me, Howie.

I would have given in by now to the temptation to get a you-know-what.



I'm trying to want to have sex with Robin so badly with these raging horomones of mine.Never date a girl who lives with her Parents.Makes for a very uncomfortable situation in the near future when you want to get intimate with the girl.

Absoloutly not! ABSOLOUTLY NOT, SAY THAT AGAIN AND I'LL TAKE A KNIFE AND MAKE YOU LESS OF A MAN!

.. :-*

Anywho, you always get some fuuck who say's "Be yourself man, it's the best way"  ::) No it isn't, most people are fuuckin fake ass shiits their entire lives. I've tried being fake, it sucks some major dick.

I walk around like bigfoot.. I play air guitar constantly.. I emit awful noises through different holes.. I'm the crudest person you'll ever meet.. this makes me far happier than pretending to be some piece of shiit snob.

You have to ask yourself an important question.

Would I rather find some slut who thinks I'm great because I'm so refined and wear such great clothes etc etc..

Or.. would you rather wait and meet some amazing woman who say's. "He's fun, he'll do"
AWESOME.   (+1 karma for La Roche, err...I mean, The Shepherd.)

OK. Sorry Alex - I was talking out of my arse..(re my advice) please excuse me, I won't ever do it again.


Uh oh.  That doesn't sound too good.

They say be yourself, but when I'm myself I'm an a$$hole apparently.



I'm trying to want to have sex with Robin so badly with these raging horomones of mine.Never date a girl who lives with her Parents.Makes for a very uncomfortable situation in the near future when you want to get intimate with the girl.


You'll find a way, Howie. :)

Uh oh.  That doesn't sound too good.

They say be yourself, but when I'm myself I'm an a$$hole apparently.

You'll find a way, Howie. :)


I could either get a room with hourly rates or just wait till Her and I are married whenever that'll be. >:(  ::)

I could either get a room with hourly rates or just wait till Her and I are married whenever that'll be. >:(  ::)


Look for a motel close to the airport. ;)

Well- first of all, there are tricks to avoid the 30 second foul up.  You can double wrap, and even take care of your own business first before you "take care of your business with her", lol. Plus I've been a chronic self-pleasurer since I was 13.  I know I'm a LOT less sensitive than when I first started.

And why would I want to learn with a partner? I'd MUCH rather have an experienced lover who is like both a lover and a teacher.  That is just me though, not everyones the same.


This is the last of my advice for you:

THINGS NOT TO THROW OUT IN CONVERSATION WITH POTENTIAL RELATIONSHIPS (or usually in any social situation)

1. "I've been a chronic self-pleasurer since I was 13."
2. "I feel like less of a man because I'm a virgin."
3. "You can double wrap"
4. "why would I want to learn with a partner?"

Dude... you asked for help and advice, we give it. Unfortunately you already have preconceived notions on the matter so anything further that I say will fall on deaf ears. Best of luck!

Look for a motel close to the airport. ;)



But How long can you stay at a motel for how many hours then you leave after? ???

This is the last of my advice for you:

THINGS NOT TO THROW OUT IN CONVERSATION WITH POTENTIAL RELATIONSHIPS (or usually in any social situation)

1. "I've been a chronic self-pleasurer since I was 13."
2. "I feel like less of a man because I'm a virgin."
3. "You can double wrap"
4. "why would I want to learn with a partner?"

Dude... you asked for help and advice, we give it. Unfortunately you already have preconceived notions on the matter so anything further that I say will fall on deaf ears. Best of luck!


Ok then.



But How long can you stay at a motel for how many hours then you leave after? ???


I don't know, Howard..

Ok then.

I don't know, Howard..


Oh,you're not too sure? ???


I'll have to check the internet later

I'm my own man, and I'll find a way somehow.  I believe in the Dude.

It's always the same wherever I go.  I can't be the real me.  I have to try to pretend to be something that isn't true to myself

Its like my father, never approves of anything I ****in do.

I guess I really am just a "basket case".

And look at me,I'm 32 Years old and STILL a Virgin. >:( ::)


And as I said before, I'm 29 and still one.

There is actually another good thing about it, you know your clean of any *ahem* STDs.

This is the last of my advice for you:

THINGS NOT TO THROW OUT IN CONVERSATION WITH POTENTIAL RELATIONSHIPS (or usually in any social situation)

1. "I've been a chronic self-pleasurer since I was 13."
2. "I feel like less of a man because I'm a virgin."
3. "You can double wrap"
4. "why would I want to learn with a partner?"

Dude... you asked for help and advice, we give it. Unfortunately you already have preconceived notions on the matter so anything further that I say will fall on deaf ears. Best of luck!


Those are the last things I would say in that situation.

Those are the last things I would say in that situation.


Good for you.

And as I said before, I'm 29 and still one.

There is actually another good thing about it, you know your clean of any *ahem* STDs.


Check again sweet thing.

Check again sweet thing.


Huh? What do you mean? The only other way would be blood transfusions.

Huh? What do you mean? The only other way would be blood transfusions.


You were asleep.. I was lonely...  ;)


Its like my father, never approves of anything I ****in do.

I guess I really am just a "basket case".


Same here.

I listen to bizare Techno and Heavy Metal.
I dress either like a Gangster or a Bum.
I tend to say everything (including what ought to be whisperd) in a voice somewhat like a foghorn.

I think your biggest problem is that because you don't think you have the ability to hook up.. you don't try. I'm sure you'll say you do, but you probably don't.

Right, example.

I need to lose 30lbs right.. and I always say, "Oh well, i'm cutting back on this" or "well i'm running x amount more" If I really wanted to fuuckin lose it.. I could.

And as I said before, I'm 29 and still one.

There is actually another good thing about it, you know your clean of any *ahem* STDs.


You know we have to get some. ;)

You know we have to get some. ;)


So, you like young lady yes, ah my friend, come to my club, we have drink, you smoke cigar, we see young lady yes?

So, you like young lady yes, ah my friend, come to my club, we have drink, you smoke cigar, we see young lady yes?



Bring them on. ;)

Bring them on. ;)


http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/JudasRoche/kiss.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/JudasRoche/kiss.jpg


Is that all you got?

Is that all you got?


Yeah, I'm pretty tame.. until the third date..

Yeah, I'm pretty tame.. until the third date..


What do you mean 3rd date?

What do you mean 3rd date?


Well, when you first go out, that's the first date. The next time is the second date. The one that comes after the second date is what is known as the third date.  ;D  ;)

(Just messin', Howie, I know that's not where you were confused)

What do you mean 3rd date?


Come on Howard, you know this, your a super stud.

First date, you decide if you want a second date, that's all.
Second date, you decide how far you wanna go on the third date.
Third date, you forget what you decided on the second date and just have some nasty aggressive sex.

Check again sweet thing.

Those one liners kill me  ;D ;D

You have to ask yourself an important question.

Would I rather find some slut who thinks I'm great because I'm so refined and wear such great clothes etc etc..

Or.. would you rather wait and meet some amazing woman who say's. "He's fun, he'll do"
Survey Says>  some slut who thinks I'm great    sluts rule

Quote from: Howard on Today at 02:04:20 PM
What do you mean 3rd date?

Well, when you first go out, that's the first date. The next time is the second date. The one that comes after the second date is what is known as the third date.  ;D  ;)

  ;D  ;D  you're killin me

But How long can you stay at a motel for how many hours then you leave after? ???

Umm you don't need to hang there till check out if that's what you mean   ;D


just to add if I've ever needed to stay over in a hotel for job interviews and such you can leave very early in the morning if necessary  ;)

Umm you don't need to hang there till check out if that's what you mean   ;D


just to add if I've ever needed to stay over in a hotel for job interviews and such you can leave very early in the morning if necessary  ;)



I'm looking into a motel for Robin and I anyway.I'm sick and tired of not getting many intimate moments with my girlfriend and living with Parents.One motel I was looking into one that's $32 for 4 hours and $36 every other hour including taxes and gratituity.The only problem is to get her out of the house for the day cause the Parents are overprotective and she's going to have to make an excuse that sounds good.I'll let you know what happens. ;) 

Come on Howard, you know this, your a super stud.

First date, you decide if you want a second date, that's all.
Second date, you decide how far you wanna go on the third date.
Third date, you forget what you decided on the second date and just have some nasty aggressive sex.



I've been going out with Robin for almost a year and half now,what number date does that count as? ;D

I'm looking into a motel for Robin and I anyway.I'm sick and tired of not getting many intimate moments with my girlfriend and living with Parents.One motel I was looking into one that's $32 for 4 hours and $36 every other hour including taxes and gratituity.The only problem is to get her out of the house for the day cause the Parents are overprotective and she's going to have to make an excuse that sounds good.I'll let you know what happens. ;) 

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Ahh I see, the booking system is different in the States, here you just pay one fixed fee per night in the UK (say for example Monday 2pm to 10am the following day is one fixed price or per night as they say)

I'm looking into a motel for Robin and I anyway.I'm sick and tired of not getting many intimate moments with my girlfriend and living with Parents.One motel I was looking into one that's $32 for 4 hours and $36 every other hour including taxes and gratituity.The only problem is to get her out of the house for the day cause the Parents are overprotective and she's going to have to make an excuse that sounds good.I'll let you know what happens. ;) 
women love to be taken to motels where you pay by the hour.

women love to be taken to motels where you pay by the hour.


I guess whoevers paying the bill does too huh!!

I guess whoevers paying the bill does too huh!!
well, I guess it