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Subject: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 07/15/08 at 6:13 am

Okay so here we go. I had promised it earlier, but now I'm putting it up.

Here is the Eredivisie 08-09 thread. Promoted to the Eredivisie from last season are ADO Den Haag, who bounce straight back into the division after just one season away - and FC Volendam, whose last season in the Eredivisie was 2003-04.

Depending on how much information I have at my fingertips, I may also look occasionally at some Eerste Divisie games. Let's just hope things don't overcomplicate themselves come the end of the season, like last campaign!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 07/20/08 at 10:04 pm

I hadn't looked before now, but all being well, this will be the first round of fixtures:

Eredivisie

August 29: Vitesse v. Groningen
August 30: Willem II v. Ajax
August 30: NEC v. De Graafschap
August 30: Roda JC v. FC Twente
August 30: FC Utrecht v. PSV Eindhoven
August 31: FC Volendam v. Heerenveen
August 31: Heracles v. Feijenoord
August 31: Sparta v. ADO den Haag
August 31: AZ v. NAC


Eerste Divisie

BV Veendam v. Cambuur Leeuwarden
Haarlem FC v. Top/OSS
Fortuna Sittard v. FC Emmen
FC Omniworld v. RBC Roosendaal
Helmond Sport v. AGOVV Apeldoorn
Excelsior Rotterdam v. SC Stormvogels Telstar
Dordrecht 90 v. FC Eindhoven
FC Den Bosch v. RKC Waalwijk
VVV Venlo v. Go Ahead Eagles
FC Zwolle v. MVV Maastricht


All Eerste Divisie games will take place at 7pm UK time on August 8.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 07/21/08 at 12:20 am



August 30: Willem II v. Ajax


Well, you know what they say about the first blow...


Eerste Divisie

Cambuur Leeuwarden v. VVV Venlo


Cambuur's Second Team took on a bunch of our local amateurs last Friday. They (= Cambuur) lost 6 to nothing...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 07/27/08 at 9:53 am

Today we're seeing some Intertoto Cup action with the second leg of Rosenborg v. NAC, with the Dutch team leading 1-0 thanks to a 19th minute goal from Ghanaian Matthew Amoah.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 07/27/08 at 4:20 pm


Today we're seeing some Intertoto Cup action with the second leg of Rosenborg v. NAC, with the Dutch team leading 1-0 thanks to a 19th minute goal from Ghanaian Matthew Amoah.


I must admit I was a bit confused at first when I read this. I thought you meant NAC Breda were leading 1 to 0 in Trondheim, but then I realized this was the result of the first game (8 days ago).

Anyway, NAC Breda lost 2 to 0 in Trondheim, so they're out of the European competitions (this season).

Let's hope they can do what they did in 2007/2008 competition and finish 3rd again...or maybe even do better than that.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 07/27/08 at 6:52 pm

Yep, 3-0 on aggregate, and out of the competition, so they're free to focus on domestic issues now.

In fact, NAC's first game of the season, on Sunday 31, is against AZ. So in reality, let's hope that they don't win this fixture if at all possible!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 07/31/08 at 8:39 pm

Today, Feijenoord are taking on Borussia Dortmund in a friendly, while Scottish club Falkirk face 2007-08 Eerste Divisie strugglers and eventual fifteenth-placers, BV Veendam, who are currently managed by former player Joop Gall.

Oddly enough, former Veendam coach Azing Griever is the current coach of the Aruban national football team. I wanna say something witty here about going from bad to worse, but that one should probably write itself.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/01/08 at 4:00 pm

Veendam fall to a 0-2 defeat against Falkirk, I can't find anything about the Feijenoord match right now but I will keep searching.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 08/01/08 at 4:58 pm


Veendam fall to a 0-2 defeat against Falkirk, I can't find anything about the Feijenoord match right now but I will keep searching.


Feyenoord 1 - Borussia Dortmundt 2

The teams met as part of a tournament, celebrating the centenary of Feyenoord FC.
Other teams are Tottenham Hotspur and Celtic. They played each other earlier today, Spurs winning 2 to nothing.

All three teams are past opponents of Feyenoord in UEFA Cup Finals.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/02/08 at 11:55 am

Thanks for clarifying Henk. I was unable to find a result online. Today, ADO Den Haag played Bristol Rovers, with the recently promoted Eredivisie outfit winning 3-2, while Derby County and FC Utrecht stalemate out at two apiece.

Heerenveen v. Falkirk starts at 19:00, I assume that's BST.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/03/08 at 6:57 pm

Forgot to mention the score of this game, 4-0 to Heerenveen.

The real reason I'm here though is to run through the preliminary games for the Dutch at the Olympics, as follows:

Group B

August 7 - Netherlands v. Nigeria
August 10 - USA v. Netherlands
August 13 - Netherlands v. Japan


Naturally I will probably keep a note of these on the Olympics thread, but I will probably transplant the results here too. While there is no Dutch team in the women's competition, I never realized until having researched, that seven of the current Dutch women's team represent AZ's women's team.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/06/08 at 7:32 pm

And as promised, Netherlands take on the 1996 Olympic champions Nigeria today. Result and stats to come later! Amongst Nigeria's squad are 19-year-old Sparta Rotterdam player Dele Adeleye, as well as Taye Taiwo from Marseilles and Everton's Victor Anichebe.

As already mentioned earlier in the thread, two of the Netherlands squad are Evander Sno and Royston Drenthe, who, aside from being two of only five players who ply their trade outside of the Netherlands, were born just one day apart from each other. The Netherlands squad includes Kenneth Vermeer, who was on loan at Willem II last season, Jonathan de Guzman, Roy Makaay and Gerald Sibon. How many of this squad will get to play will be another matter, based almost entirely upon how far the Dutch manage to get in the tournament.

*rolls sleeves up* Do us proud, lads.

Edit: Technically only one sleeve, I already had one rolled up as it was...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/06/08 at 8:12 pm

Coming back to domestic thoughts, I believe one of the more interesting seasons this time out may be that of NAC Breda. Should they achieve the same kind of form they did at the end of last season, they may go far - and of course they were only knocked out of the Dutch Cup by Feijenoord, meaning that maybe, if they don't have such a tough run this time out, something could come of their season.

Oh for the days back when Willem II had a chance of comfortably consolidating their league status...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/08/08 at 9:47 am

Henk, I've updated my post of July 21 to include the first set of Eerste Divisie fixtures.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/08/08 at 4:20 pm

Middlesbrough thrash Sparta Rotterdam 6-1, despite going 0-1 down in the early stages - Arnold Slot putting Sparta ahead, while Afonso Alves, Jeremie Aliediere, Josh Walker, and once again, Alves, put Middlesbrough 4-1 ahead. Stuart Downing made the half-time score 5-1, and Welsh under-21 International Rhys Williams made the score 6-1 in the second half.

Not the most positive of results for Sparta. But on we go.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/09/08 at 7:39 pm

Eerste Divisie results - August 8

BV Veendam 0 - 3 Cambuur Leeuwarden
Haarlem FC 2 - 1 TOP/Oss
Fortuna Sittard 1 - 2 FC Emmen VV
FC Omniworld 1 - 2 RBC Roosendaal
Helmond Sport 1 - 2 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Excelsior Rotterdam 0 - 1 Stormvogels Telstar
Dordrecht '90 2 - 0 FC Eindhoven
FC Den Bosch 1 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
FC Zwolle 0 - 0 MVV Maastricht
VVV Venlo 5 - 0 Go Ahead Eagles


And so, on their return to the Eerste Divisie, VVV go top after just one game. We shall see if they can keep this form up in coming weeks and months as they once again search for promotion.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/12/08 at 4:47 am

Last season's top scorer for Willem II, Rydell Poepon, has moved to Sparta Rotterdam after playing for my team, Eredivisie strugglers that they are. Poepon scored nine of his ten goals for Willem in his most recent season. Sparta have also signed Florent N'Galula, Karim Touzani — who has spent the last two seasons at Aberdeen, Krisztian Vermes, who comes from four seasons playing in his native Hungary... and so on.

I really really am worried about Willem this season, if they get a bad start to the season they may be struggling to consolidate their league status, much in the same way as VVV did last year. Meanwhile former Willem II man Arvid Smit has signed for Eredivisie newcomers Volendam.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/12/08 at 3:21 pm

Tomorrow FC Twente face Arsenal in the third qualifying round of the Champions League. Meanwhile there are two further rounds of the Eerste Divisie to go (not including a match on August 28) before the Eredivisie starts on August 29. Good to see last season's strugglers Cambuur beat Veendam two days ago.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/13/08 at 3:54 pm

Twente lose to Arsenal 0-2, with goals from William Gallas and Emmanuel Adebayor sealing the match for the Premiership team.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/14/08 at 11:13 am

Just one game into the new season, and the second match of the season sees the top two teams face off! Cambuur face VVV, the two teams having scored eight goals inbetween them in just a single game.

To gain the second victory will set either team on their way to a positive season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/14/08 at 10:02 pm

Eerste Divisie results, August 15


Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 0 VVV Venlo
RBC Roosendaal 1 - 3 FC Zwolle
FC Emmen VV 1 - 1 Helmond Sport
AGOVV Apeldoorn 1 - 0 Dordrecht '90
FC Eindhoven 3 - 2 Haarlem FC

  Eindhoven came back from a goal down thanks to a hat-trick from Fabio Caracciolo
MVV Maastricht 0 - 1 Excelsior
RKC Waalwijk 4 - 1 BV Veendam
SC Stormvogels Telstar 2 - 2 FC Den Bosch
Go Ahead Eagles 1 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
Top/OSS 3 - 0 FC Omniworld

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/19/08 at 10:18 pm

I may not be here on Friday morning, so while it's still running at the top of my brain:

Eerste Divisie fixtures, August 22


Excelsior v Fortuna Sittard
SC Stormvogels Telstar v TOP/Oss
FC Omniworld v BV Veendam
FC Emmen VV v Dordrecht '90
RKC Waalwijk v Go Ahead Eagles
FC Den Bosch v AGOVV Apeldoorn
FC Eindhoven v VVV Venlo
FC Zwolle v Cambuur Leeuwarden
RBC Roosendaal v Haarlem FC
MVV Maastricht v Helmond Sport


With the exception of an August 28 game for Fortuna Sittard, this is the final round of Eerste Divisie fixtures prior to the start of the Eredivisie on August 29 - which of course I will cover in great detail - in the hope that both Den Haag and Volendam can consolidate their places in the division.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/22/08 at 9:35 pm

Eerste Divisie results, August 22


Excelsior 5 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
FC Den Bosch 2 - 0 Agovv Apeldoorn
SC Stormvogels Telstar 2 - 2 TOP/Oss
FC Eindhoven 1 - 3 VVV Venlo
SC Stormvogels Telstar 2 - 2 TOP/Oss
FC Zwolle 3 - 1 Cambuur Leeuwarden
FC Omniworld 2 - 1 BV Veendam
RBC Roosendaal 2 - 0 Haarlem FC
FC Emmen VV 2 - 1 Dordrecht '90
MVV Maastricht 3 - 1 Helmond Sport
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles


Zwolle and FC Emmen currently top the table, both with seven points. Just one team, Veendam, remain without a point after their first three games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/26/08 at 7:28 pm

Today Arsenal face FC Twente. Should that be the other way around?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 08/27/08 at 12:21 am


Today Arsenal face FC Twente. Should that be the other way around?


Well, it's Arsenal v. Twente alright, and with Arsenal already two goals ahead from the previous match I don't think either team will put much effort in the upcoming one.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/27/08 at 3:59 pm

4–0 on the night, 6–0 on aggregate, I fell asleep right at the beginning of the match so I'm not sure what happened, but goals were scored by Nasri, Gallas, Walcott, and Bendtner.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 08/28/08 at 12:10 am


4–0 on the night, 6–0 on aggregate, I fell asleep right at the beginning of the match so I'm not sure what happened, but goals were scored by Nasri, Gallas, Walcott, and Bendtner.


Well, this is exactly what happened:


Well, it's Arsenal v. Twente alright, and with Arsenal already two goals ahead from the previous match I don't think either team will put much effort in the upcoming one.


Twente were playing like it was some friendly with nothing at stake, maybe hoping Arsenal would show some mercy, and Arsenal were in fact being mercyful.
Arsenal didn't even have to play their best to make it four to nothing. This shows us two things:
1. There's a huge difference between being top in the Netherlands and being top in England;
2. Twente has some major defence problems (and I'm not talking about substitute goalie Mihaylov here, who was not to blame for any of the 4 goals).

Honestly, Twente never stood a chance. They were too impressed by Arsenal and stuff, I guess, to even play a decent game at all.
Let's hope they face some teams their own size in UEFA Cup.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/28/08 at 5:55 am

Thank you very much for summarizing, Henk. Falling asleep in front of televisions is my forte. :D

Tonight at 7pm UK time, Fortuna Sittard take on TOP/Oss, while tomorrow sees the first Eredivisie fixture, Vitesse Arnhem v. FC Groningen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 08/29/08 at 2:53 pm

In the first fixture of the Eredivisie season, Groningen beat Vitesse 1-0. Meanwhile, yesterday, Fortuna and Top/OSS drew 1-1.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/01/08 at 2:52 pm

Hmm... no results in yet? ...Guess you're still celebrating Willem II's victory over Ajax. ::) :D ;D


Here they are:

August 29:
Vitesse Arnhem -  FC Groningen.....  0 - 4 

August 30:
NEC - De Graafschap.......................  2 - 0 
Willem II - Ajax.............................  2 - 1 
FC Utrecht - PSV............................. 1 - 5 
Roda JC - FC Twente....................... 1 - 1 
Heracles Almelo - Feyenoord.......... 3 - 1

August 31:
FC Volendam - sc Heerenveen.......  2 - 3 
Sparta Rotterdam - ADO Den Haag.. 2 - 5 
AZ Alkmaar - NAC Breda................. 1 - 2


So, a brilliant start for PSV. Not only did they win their (away) game against FC Utrecht quite easily, they also saw Ajax and Feyenoord lose their opening matches.
Of course, Feyenoord can blame Jonathan De Guzman (who was sent off Saturday after elbowing Kwameh Quansah of Heracles) and a truckload of injured players. For Ajax, there is no excuse.

AZ Alkmaar have started the new season the way they played most of last season: poorly. Their only consolation is that Ajax and Feyenoord also lost their opening matches.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/01/08 at 3:53 pm


So, a brilliant start for PSV. Not only did they win their (away) game against FC Utrecht quite easily, they also saw Ajax and Feyenoord lose their opening matches.


BTW: That hasn't happened since 1963/1964 season. :o (Results of that season: PSV 2nd, Feyenoord 4th, Ajax 5th. Champions...? DWS. Long, long gone and forgotten).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/02/08 at 3:21 pm

I apologize for the delay, Henk, thank you very much for providing the results. I was busy all weekend and I completely forgot about the first round of fixtures.

Excellent news for one of the top teams, as you say. My Willem II have started the season as they mean to go on - with a 100% winning record(!)

As you say, only one of the big three achieved a win over the weekend. Meanwhile, in the one weekend game in the Eerste Divisie, Haarlem were victorious over Stormvogels, by a score of four goals to two. Two of Haarlem's goals were scored by Rachid el Yaakoubi, who last season was playing for promoted side FC Volendam.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/02/08 at 3:27 pm

As for DWS, the only information I can find about them is that they are currently part of the Sunday Hoofdklasse A. Their current stadium, Speiringhorn, has a capacity of.. wait for it.. 250.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/02/08 at 4:43 pm


As for DWS, the only information I can find about them is that they are currently part of the Sunday Hoofdklasse A. Their current stadium, Speiringhorn, has a capacity of.. wait for it.. 250.


Research has taught me that the (semi-)professional football club AFC DWS existed from 1954 to 1972.
In 1958, the BVC Amsterdam merged with DWS. (Note: BVC Amsterdam had only been founded in 1954!)
In 1972, the pro's of DWS merged with the pro's of Blauw Wit (also from Amsterdam) to form the FC Amsterdam.
In 1974, the pro's of De Volewijckers (another Amsterdam club) joined the new merger club.
FC Amsterdam seized to exist in 1982.

Best results of the respective clubs:
BVC Amsterdam: 13th, 1956/1957
Blauw-Wit Amsterdam: 3rd place, 1961/1962
DWS: Champions, 1963/1964
De Volewijckers: 11th place, 1961/1962
FC Amsterdam: 5th place, 1973/1974

Notes:
- DWS is still the only club to promote from the Eerste Divisie and claim the championship of the Eredivisie the following season.
- Until 1980/1981 season (when AZ '67 became champions), DWS were the last club not from the traditional Top 3 (PSV, Ajax, Feyenoord) to claim the title.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/05/08 at 11:26 am

Nine Eerste Divisie games today, and one on Sunday.

Heerenveen v. Heracles at 7:45 tonight, four matches on Saturday, including Feijenoord against Volendam, and four matches on Sunday, including my Willem II against NAC and Ajax against Roda.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/05/08 at 7:11 pm

Today's results from the Eerste Divisie.


Excelsior 1 - 0 RBC Roosendaal
MVV Maastricht 1 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles
BV Veendam 0 - 0 Fortuna Sittard
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 1 VVV Venlo
FC Eindhoven 3 - 3 AGOVV Apeldoorn
FC Zwolle 3 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar
Cambuur Leeuwarden 0 - 3 FC Den Bosch
TOP/Oss 2 - 1 FC Emmen VV
FC Omniworld 0 - 1 Helmond Sport


Kudos to Eindhoven, who came from 3-0 down at home to draw 3-3 with three goals in 16 minutes. Also to TOP/Oss, who came back from a goal down to win at home despite still being behind with just five minutes to go.

No Eredivisie games this weekend, the next game in the league is Heerenveen v SC Heracles Almelo on September 12th. Meanwhile, the next game in the Eerste Divisie is Haarlem FC v Dordrecht '90 tomorrow (Sunday).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/07/08 at 12:18 pm

Haarlem v. Dordrecht finishes 3-0 to the home team - with, if my Dutch is up to it, Benjamin van den Broek, Laurens ten Heuvel, and Wilmer Kousemaker scoring the game's goals.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/09/08 at 8:50 pm

Holland face Macedonia in World Cup Qualifying Group 9 this evening at 20:30 CEST.

Eredivisie action returns at the end of this week, with one game on Friday, four on Saturday and four on Sunday, including one fixture which makes me wanna go hide underneath a rock and cry, Willem II against NAC Breda. Why that fixture should scare me any more than the win against Ajax, I have no idea...

The Eerste Divisie sees a full quota of ten matches on Friday, and ten quote unquote "midweek" fixtures taking place on Monday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/10/08 at 12:14 am


Holland face Macedonia in World Cup Qualifying Group 9 this evening at 20:30 CEST.



I'm afraid we're not good enough at the moment (well, were we ever...?) and lose the match with like 4 to 0, and everybody will be like "WTF just happened there?" and then Bert van Marwijk will get the blame (for selecting Mark van Bommel, who played a truly awful game, or something), but he'll get another chance and then we'll struggle against whatever team comes next so on and so forth, until we failed to qualify for WC 2010.

Or maybe I'm dead wrong. I'd like to be dead wrong this time. :-\\



On a side note: Switzerland v. Netherlands: 1 to 0 (under-21, qualifying round for playoffs for EC 2009).

Which means we've failed to qualify (after winning the tournament twice in a row). We only needed 2 points from the last three games, and we got exactly one (Netherlands - Switzerland 0 - 1; Netherlands - Norway 1 - 1; Switzerland - Netherlands 1 - 0). And the boys also couldn't impress at the Olympics...Future of Dutch soccer isn't looking very bright. :(

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/10/08 at 3:35 pm


I'm afraid we're not good enough at the moment (well, were we ever...?) and lose the match with like 4 to 0, and everybody will be like "WTF just happened there?" and then Bert van Marwijk will get the blame (for selecting Mark van Bommel, who played a truly awful game, or something), but he'll get another chance and then we'll struggle against whatever team comes next so on and so forth, until we failed to qualify for WC 2010.

Or maybe I'm dead wrong. I'd like to be dead wrong this time. :-\\



Well, we won (2 to 1)...but I wouldn't say I was dead wrong about this one. We were struggling all along, even when we were 2 to 0 up. At no point during the game we were on top/in control.

Ah what the heck...it's the result that counts in the end. 8)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/11/08 at 8:08 am

Yep, goals from Johnny Heitinga and Rafael van der Vaart, replied to by a Goran Pandev penalty in minute 77. Indeed, the game saw the return of Arjen Robben and, as you say, Mark van Bommel. We will have to keep a careful watch on Andre Ooijer, who suffered an injury.

Ooijer has played in all three games so far this Premiership term, scoring his first Premier League goal in the away victory against Everton.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/12/08 at 10:56 pm

Eerste Divisie results, September 12:


TOP/Oss 1 - 0 FC Zwolle
Fortuna Sittard 0 - 0 Haarlem FC
Go Ahead Eagles 0 - 1 FC Eindhoven
AGOVV Apeldoorn 0 - 1 FC Omniworld
Helmond Sport 3 - 1 Cambuur Leeuwarden
FC Emmen VV 0 - 0 Excelsior
SC Stormvogels Telstar 0 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
RBC Roosendaal 1 - 1 MVV Maastricht
VVV Venlo 1 - 0 FC Den Bosch
Dordrecht '90 1 - 2 BV Veendam


And one match from the Eredivisie:


Heerenveen 2 - 2 Heracles


Before I forget - it's the second round of the Dutch Cup on September 23/24/25. Here is the list of fixtures as I can make them out.


Tuesday September 23:
Rijnsburgse Boys v. RBC Roosendaal
Cambuur Leeuwarden v. FC Zwolle
Jong PSV v. PSV
EHC/Norad v. Fortuna Sittard
FC Den Bosch v. Haarlem FC
IJsselmeervogels v. AGOVV Apeldoorn
Dordrecht '90 v. BV Veendam
AZ Alkmaar v. Heracles
Helmond Sport v. FC Omniworld

Wednesday September 24:
De Bataven v. Excelsior
FC Emmen v. Twente Enschede
MVV Maastricht v. Heerenveen
VVV Venlo v. FC Volendam
Capelle v. Roda JC Kerkrade
Ajax B v. Vitesse Arnhem
De Treffers/Kegro v. De Graafschap
GVVV Veenendaal v. NAC Breda
HHC Hardenberg v. Go Ahead Eagles
HSC '21 v. Sparta Rotterdam
Kozakken Boys v. WKE
Quick Boys II v. FC Eindhoven
Spakenburg v. SC Stormvogels Telstar
Sparta Nijerk v. FC Lienden
Feijenoord v. TOP/Oss

Thursday September 25
Be Quick 1887 v. NEC Nijmegen
Papendrecht v.Haaglandia/Winston
Jong FC Twente v. ADO Den Haag
Hollandia v. FC Groningen
Ajax v. FC Utrecht

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/13/08 at 1:28 am


Before I forget - it's the second round of the Dutch Cup on September 23/24/25. Here is the list of fixtures as I can make them out.


Tuesday September 23:
Rijnsburgse Boys v. RBC Roosendaal
Cambuur Leeuwarden v. FC Zwolle
Jong PSV v. PSV
EHC/Norad v. Fortuna Sittard
FC Den Bosch v. Haarlem FC
IJsselmeervogels v. AGOVV Apeldoorn
Dordrecht '90 v. BV Veendam
AZ Alkmaar v. Heracles
Helmond Sport v. FC Omniworld

Wednesday September 24:
De Bataven v. Excelsior
FC Emmen v. Twente Enschede
MVV Maastricht v. Heerenveen
VVV Venlo v. FC Volendam
Capelle v. Roda JC Kerkrade
Ajax B v. Vitesse Arnhem
De Treffers/Kegro v. De Graafschap
GVVV Veenendaal v. NAC Breda
HHC Hardenberg v. Go Ahead Eagles
HSC '21 v. Sparta Rotterdam
Kozakken Boys v. WKE
Quick Boys II v. FC Eindhoven
Spakenburg v. SC Stormvogels Telstar
Sparta Nijerk v. FC Lienden
Feijenoord v. TOP/Oss

Thursday September 25
Be Quick 1887 v. NEC Nijmegen
Papendrecht v.Haaglandia/Winston
Jong FC Twente v. ADO Den Haag
Hollandia v. FC Groningen
Ajax v. FC Utrecht



Dutch Cup (or KNVB Beker)... hardly worth watching.  But at least they've made things a little more interesting, by throwing in the top teams as well this early (in the past, teams like Ajax/PSV/Feijenoord would be exempt from play until quarter finals). So who knows...there may be some surprises. Let's hope so.
It's good to know at least three amateur teams will make it to round three (I can tell because there's three all amateur matches).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/13/08 at 6:25 am

Before I forget - because I always lose the link, the results will appear either here, on ESPN's site, or here, on the Wikipedia entry for KNVB Cup 2008-09.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/13/08 at 4:40 pm

Today's results:


PSV 1 - 0 Sparta Rotterdam
Twente Enschede 1 - 1 NEC
ADO Den Haag 3 - 0 AZ

AZ lost Aussie Brett Holman in stoppage time in the first half of the match.
Feijenoord 5 - 0 Volendam


So, Feijenoord make up for their last game, a 3-1 defeat, while Den Haag maintain their 100% record.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/13/08 at 4:50 pm


Today's results:


PSV 1 - 0 Sparta Rotterdam
Twente Enschede 1 - 1 NEC
ADO Den Haag 3 - 0 AZ

AZ lost Aussie Brett Holman in stoppage time in the first half of the match.
Feijenoord 5 - 0 Volendam


So, Feijenoord make up for their last game, a 3-1 defeat, while Den Haag maintain their 100% record.


I can hear people calling for Van Gaal's head already... I fear relegation may be a serious danger for AZ this season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/13/08 at 11:41 pm

Four games today, all will be finished by 3:30 my time. Hopefully Willem II can go two for two with a win at the Rat Verlegh Stadion, against NAC. Let's be honest, after conquering Ajax last week, now we can go on to conquering the world! *laughs nervously*

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/14/08 at 11:18 am

Today's results are in:


De Graafschap 1 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem
Ajax 1 - 0 Roda JC
NAC 1 - 3 Willem II
FC Groningen 2 - 0 FC Utrecht


Rather surreally, this gives Willem II six points from their first two fixtures. Tomorrow sees ten fixtures in the Eerste Divisie.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/15/08 at 4:54 pm

Tonight's Eerste Divisie results:


FC Den Bosch 1 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
FC Zwolle 4 - 0 FC Emmen

Emmen lost 25-year-old Mark Bevaart in the first half of the game
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
BV Veendam 2 - 1 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Helmond Sport 1 - 0 Dordrecht 90
MVV Maastricht 3 - 1 FC Eindhoven
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 1 Haarlem FC
VVV Venlo 3 - 1 Top/Oss
Excelsior 3 - 0 Go Ahead Eagles
FC Omniworld 1 - 0 Cambuur Leeuwarden


Top/Oss, now in eighth place, retain their rather skewed records of three wins from three matches at home, and no wins from four matches away. Fortuna Sittard remain winless, while Excelsior stay at the top of the table.

Next Eerste Divisie fixtures on Friday. Same for the Eredivisie, with Willem II, currently in fourth place in the table, •breathes in the goodness• taking on FC Utrecht, currently bottom with two losses from two.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/16/08 at 8:57 am

PSV face Atletico Madrid in the UEFA cup tonight.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/16/08 at 6:48 pm

The result of which was a 0-3 victory to Atletico, not the best result the Dutch side could have hoped for, especially as they now have to travel to the Vicente Calderón stadium to face Atletico at home.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/18/08 at 10:15 pm

A full quota of Eerste Divisie results this evening, along with one game in the Eredivisie, FC Utrecht v. Willem II.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/20/08 at 2:20 pm

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie results:


Fortuna Sittard 2 - 0 FC Omniworld
Dordrecht 90 0 - 2 VVV Venlo
RBC Roosendaal 2 - 1 FC Emmen VV
Go Head Eagles 1 - 0 Helmond Sport
AGOVV Apeldoorn 1 - 1 SC Stormvogels Telstar
Haarlem FC 1 - 5 FC den Bosch
Cambuur Leeuwarden 1 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
FC Eindhoven 1 - 0 Excelsior

Eindhoven finished the game with nine men, having lost Prince Asubonteng and Ruud van de Rijt in the second half
BV Veendam 0 - 0 FC Zwolle
Zwolle finished with ten men, losing Dave Huijmans at the end of the first half
TOP/Oss 1 - 0 MVV Maastricht

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/20/08 at 6:25 pm

Yesterday's Eredivisie results, and a little smileyface one at the end for you, Henk!


Vitesse Arnhem 1 - 1 Sparta Rotterdam
Both teams still searching for their first win. Ricky van Wolfswinkel scores his first ever Eredivisie goal.

Heracles 1 - 1 FC Groningen
Groningen have Ajilore Oluwafemi sent off within the first two minutes of the game. A second-half goal apiece from each side sees the game finish in a stalemate.

AZ 1 - 0 PSV
Maarten Martens scores the goal late on in the game, giving PSV their second consecutive defeat, following their 0-3 reverse in the Champions League on Tuesday evening.



Today's matches include Feijenoord v. Ajax at De Kuip. Willem II don't play their next game until September 27. We'll be facing... AZ.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/21/08 at 3:24 pm

Today's results are all in, and here we go:


Feijenoord 2 - 2 Ajax
Roda JC 0 - 3 NAC Breda
De Graafschap 2 - 0 ADO Den Haag
Heerenveen 2 - 1 NEC Nijmegen
FC Volendam 1 - 2 Twente Enschede

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/22/08 at 6:14 pm

KNVB Beker action over the next three days. Hopefully I will be able to report on the results as and when they come in.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/23/08 at 7:45 pm

Yesterday's results:


Rijnsburgse Boys 2 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
Jong PSV 0 - 3 PSV Eindhoven
FC Den Bosch 2 - 1 Haarlem FC
Dordrecht '90 3 - 2 BV Veendam
Helmond Sport 2 - 2 FC Omniworld
Cambuur Leeuwarden 3 - 3 FC Zwolle
IJsselmeervogels 1 - 3 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Lisse 3 - 4 Achilles 29
Quick Boys 0 - 1 Willem II Tilburg
Be Quick '28 1 - 2 RKC Waalwijk
HHC Hardenberg 1 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles
AZ Alkmaar 3 - 0 SC Heracles Almelo


I'm not sure what to make of the first result. Is that a giantkilling, or do teams like RBC put reserve teams out so as not to shame the opposition?

Seems I'm missing one result, EHC/Norad v. Fortuna Sittard, which I cannot find.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/24/08 at 12:30 am


Yesterday's results:


Rijnsburgse Boys 2 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
Jong PSV 0 - 3 PSV Eindhoven
FC Den Bosch 2 - 1 Haarlem FC
Dordrecht '90 3 - 2 BV Veendam
Helmond Sport 2 - 2 FC Omniworld
Cambuur Leeuwarden 3 - 3 FC Zwolle
IJsselmeervogels 1 - 3 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Lisse 3 - 4 Achilles 29
Quick Boys 0 - 1 Willem II Tilburg
Be Quick '28 1 - 2 RKC Waalwijk
HHC Hardenberg 1 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles
AZ Alkmaar 3 - 0 SC Heracles Almelo



As this is only a one-leg competition, three games had to be decided by penalty kicks.
Results are: Omniworld beat Helmond Sport; Cambuur beat FC Zwolle; and HHC Hardenberg beat Go Ahead Eagles (quite a shocker, the last one).


I'm not sure what to make of the first result. Is that a giantkilling, or do teams like RBC put reserve teams out so as not to shame the opposition?


It is indeed giantkilling (although maybe RBC Roosendaal isn't exactly a giant). RBC took an early lead by a goal in the 15th minute, but the Rijnsburgse Boys managed to score twice within a couple of minutes in the final ten minutes of the game.


Seems I'm missing one result, EHC/Norad v. Fortuna Sittard, which I cannot find.


EHC - Fortuna Sittard  0 - 3

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/24/08 at 10:42 am

Thank you for the results, I wasn't entirely sure how those turned out. Good to see a couple of shock results going on in cup competitions, keeps the romance alive for the smaller clubs, and, with the amount of money that I assume will therefore be poured into the clubs, keeps the smaller clubs financially occupied for the time being.

So that's twelve matches done and dusted. Fourteen further matches today, including the rather interesting-looking VVV Venlo v. FC Volendam. Great to see amateur side Hardenberg overcome the Go Ahead Eagles. One game already started in today's set of matches, two all-amateur ties going ahead at 8pm, as well as Feijenoord v. Top/Oss later on...

And tomorrow, five more fixtures, including one all-amateur tie, Papendrecht v. Haglandia.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/24/08 at 3:32 pm

First results of today's matches are in:

Wednesday 24 September 2008, 17:00 (CET)
De Bataven - Excelsior 0-1

Wednesday 24 September 2008, 18:45 (CET)
FC Emmen – FC Twente 0-5


So, no surprises so far today. FC Emmen continue their losing streak...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/24/08 at 4:33 pm

...and more results:

Wednesday 24 September 2008, kick-off 20:00 (CET)
Spakenburg - Telstar 0-1
MVV – sc Heerenveen 0-3
Ajax (amateurs) - Vitesse 0-2
HSC'21/Brein - Sparta Rotterdam 1-2
GVVV - NAC Breda 1-3
Quick Boys 2 - FC Eindhoven 0-3
Capelle - Roda JC 2-4
VVV-Venlo – FC Volendam 2-3 (after extra time)
Sparta Nijkerk - FC Lienden 1-2 (after extra time)
De Treffers - De Graafschap 3-4 (after extra time)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/24/08 at 4:46 pm

Final results for today:

Wednesday 24 September 2008, kick-off 20:00 (CET)
Kozakken Boys - WKE 1-2 (after extra time)

Wednesday 24 September 2008, kick-off 20:45 (CET)
Feyenoord – TOP Oss 3-0 (after extra time)


The latter one must've been rather disappointing for TOP Oss... I assume they had good hopes of pulling a stunt after 90 minutes (and a goalless draw at that time).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/24/08 at 7:41 pm

Yep, the rest of September 24th's results:


Ajax Amateurs 0 - 2 Vitesse Arnhem
Capelle 2 - 4 Roda JC
De Treffers/Kegro 3 - 4 De Graafschap
GVVV Veenendaal 1 - 3 NAC Breda
HSC '21 1 - 2 Sparta Rotterdam

This in spite of HSC being 1-0 up at the end of the first half.
Kozakken Boys 1 - 2 WKE
Quick Boys II 0 - 3 FC Eindhoven
Spakenburg 0 - 1 SC Stormvogels Telstar
Sparta Nijerk 1 - 2 FC Lienden (AET)
MVV Maastricht 0 - 3 Heerenveen
VVV Venlo 2 - 3 FC Volendam

All five goals in the second half.
Feijenoord 3 - 0 TOP/Oss (AET)
Two second-half-of-extra-time goals from Pole Michal Janota, Makaay having put Feijenoord ahead in the 2nd minute of extra time.

That would appear to be all the results done and dusted.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/24/08 at 11:08 pm

While I'm still awake, might as well think about what's coming up: Six Eerste Divisie games scheduled on Friday, including a match between the top two, Excelsior and VVV, while on Sunday TOP/Oss have the opportunity to get their first away league victory of the season - despite having picked up twelve points out of twelve thus far at home.

TOP/Oss's current coach is 48-year-old former AZ player Hans de Koning, who was playing with the team at the time they secured their most recent title, in 1980/81.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/25/08 at 3:50 pm

On the subject of the KNVB Beker (Dutch League Cup):

On June 11, 1944, Willem II crushed Groene Ster* 9 to 2 to win the KNVB Beker. That's still a record number of goals for a Dutch Cup Final.



...Bet you didn't know that. ;)


* rksv Groene Ster from the Limburg town of Heerlen was founded in 1926, and currently plays in the Dutch First Amateur League, division D

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/25/08 at 4:08 pm

And today's results:

Thursday, September 25
Be Quick 1887 - N.E.C. 0-5
Hollandia - FC Groningen 2-3 (after extra time)
Jong FC Twente – ADO Den Haag 1-4
Papendrecht - Haaglandia/Sir Winston 3-3 (Haaglandia wins after penalties)
Ajax – FC Utrecht 2-0

A narrow escape there for FC Groningen...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/25/08 at 4:10 pm


On the subject of the KNVB Beker (Dutch League Cup):

On June 11, 1944, Willem II crushed Groene Ster* 9 to 2 to win the KNVB Beker. That's still a record number of goals for a Dutch Cup Final.


Nice one. Good to see the team can win something, even if it was 65 seasons ago! Thank you for that interesting information. Willem II's other victory in the competition came in 1962-63, in which year, oddly, they finished second bottom of the Eredivisie. I have no idea about promotion and relegation from the Eredivisie in those days - even nl.wiki's coverage of the Eerste Divisie from the early years is spotty at best, and RSSSF are no help.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/26/08 at 8:25 pm

Results from the Eerste Divisie, Friday 26th:


Fortuna Sittard 0 - 0 RBC Roosendaal
AGOVV Apeldoorn 2 - 0 HFC Haarlem
FC Dordrecht 4 - 0 FC Zwolle
FC Den Bosch 2 - 2 BV Veendam
Go Ahead Eagles 2 - 0 Cambuur Leeuwarden
FC Omniworld 1 - 1 RKC Waalwijk


Three further matches today, and one tomorrow. Meanwhile in the Eredivisie, four matches occurring today, and five on Sunday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/27/08 at 11:36 pm

Yesterday's Eredivisie results:


NAC Breda 4 - 2 Heerenveen
Twente Enschede 2 - 0 De Graafschap
PSV Eindhoven 1 - 0 FC Volendam
Willem II Tilburg 2 - 5 AZ Alkmaar


A sound thrashing for my boys then, Henk... five further Eredivisie matches today.

----

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie results:


VVV 3 - 1 Excelsior
FC Emmen VV 1 - 1 MVV Maastricht
SC Stormvogels Telstar 2 - 3 Helmond Sport


One Eerste Divisie fixture today.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/28/08 at 11:31 am

All Eredivisie games over, and here we go wtih some results:


ADO Den Haag 0 - 0 FC Utrecht
NEC Nijmegen 1 - 1 Heracles

Joel Tshibamba becomes the second Nijmegen player in four matches to be sent off for overexuberant goal celebrations.
FC Groningen 3 - 1 Feijenoord
Kevin Hofland gets sent off in the tenth minute for Feijenoord, and three goals are scored in the final ten minutes of the game.
Ajax 3 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem
Sparta 2 - 2 Roda JC


Meanwhile, one result in the Eerste Divisie:


FC Eindhoven 2 - 2 TOP/Oss


One Eredivisie fixture and nine Eerste Divisie fixtures on Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 09/28/08 at 2:38 pm


Yesterday's Eredivisie results:


NAC Breda 4 - 2 Heerenveen
Twente Enschede 2 - 0 De Graafschap
PSV Eindhoven 1 - 0 FC Volendam
Willem II Tilburg 2 - 5 AZ Alkmaar


A sound thrashing for my boys then, Henk... five further Eredivisie matches today.



Actually, it was a 2 to 5 victory for AZ, with AZ already 5 to 0 up after 45 minutes. Sorry Bobo...



NEC Nijmegen 1 - 1 Heracles
Joel Tshibamba becomes the second Nijmegen player in four matches to be sent off for overexuberant goal celebrations.


It wasn't so much the overexuberant goal celebrations that got him sent off, although that did cost him a yellow card (standard penalty for taking your shirt off). It was more the fact that this was his second booking of the game.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 09/28/08 at 3:24 pm

You're right. 2-5. I was just making things seem slightly less bad than they were, really. But yes, I mistyped. Thank you Henk.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/01/08 at 6:53 pm

Yesterday Liverpool beat PSV 3-1, the first Liverpool goal being scored by former Feijenoord man Dirk Kuijt.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/02/08 at 4:04 pm

Today's results:


Ajax 2-0 Borac Cacak
FC Twente 1-0 Rennes
Heerenveen 5-2 Vitoria Setubal
Kalmar 1-2 Feyenoord


I think that's all of them... tomorrow sees one Eredivisie game and nine Eerste Divisie games, with six teams all within a point of each other eitherside of the promotion play-off line.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/02/08 at 4:10 pm


Today's results:


Ajax 2-0 Borac Cacak
FC Twente 1-0 Rennes
Heerenveen 5-2 Vitoria Setubal
Kalmar 1-2 Feyenoord


I think that's all of them... tomorrow sees one Eredivisie game and nine Eerste Divisie games, with six teams all within a point of each other eitherside of the promotion play-off line.


You missed only one:

Dinamo Bucarest - NEC Nijmegen 0 - 0



You know what this means...? All Dutch clubs have made it to group stage of UEFA Cup. :D Can't remember the last time this happened.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/02/08 at 4:17 pm

Aha. I didn't see that on my fixture list. Thank you very much Henk. This is great news, though for the Dutch sides. Just checking the news about NEC, it appears that their coach was very critical of their lack of preparedness prior to their European fixture, not just in recent matches but in their build-up to this one. However, their qualification to the group stages is a great sign.

It seems weird to look at stats at the turn of the millennium where NEC were quite often in the bottom half of the table - their worst point over the last decade-and-slightly-more coming in 1996-97 when they finished second-bottom of the Eredivisie. Unfortunately, neither AZ nor Willem II did much better that season!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/02/08 at 4:31 pm


Aha. I didn't see that on my fixture list. Thank you very much Henk. This is great news, though for the Dutch sides. Just checking the news about NEC, it appears that their coach was very critical of their lack of preparedness prior to their European fixture, not just in recent matches but in their build-up to this one. However, their qualification to the group stages is a great sign.

It seems weird to look at stats at the turn of the millennium where NEC were quite often in the bottom half of the table - their worst point over the last decade-and-slightly-more coming in 1996-97 when they finished second-bottom of the Eredivisie. Unfortunately, neither AZ nor Willem II did much better that season!


The last time NEC made it to the second round of any European tournament was in 1983, so I imagine they've something to celebrate in Nijmegen. ;)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/03/08 at 4:20 pm

A great result for your boys, Henk - a 6-0 victory against Sparta, with Hamdaoui putting the team ahead after just 35 seconds. This temporarliy puts AZ into fourth place in the table.

Three games tomorrow, including Willem II away at Vitesse and De Graafschap at PSV.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/03/08 at 8:59 pm

In my excitement I forgot about yesterday's Eerste Divisie games:


TOP/Oss 0 - 0 Dordrecht '90
FC Emmen VV 2 - 1 FC Omniworld
Helmond Sport 2 - 2 Fortuna Sittard
RKC Waalwijk 3 - 1 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Cambuur Leeuwarden 3 - 2 Haarlem FC
RBC Roosendaal 1 - 4 VVV Venlo
MVV Maastricht 1 - 2 BV Veendam
Excelsior 2 - 1 FC Den Bosch
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 1 FC Eindhoven


The top three run out winners again, and RKC maintain their unbeaten start to the season. I believe I'm right in saying, therefore, the last time they were beaten in the regular season, outside of last year's promotion/relegation playoffs, was on March 10th. Almost seven months.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/04/08 at 8:20 pm

Eredivisie results, October 4:


Vitesse Arnhem 2 - 2 Willem II
PSV 3 - 0 De Graafschap
Heracles 2 - 0 Roda JC


Five Eredivisie fixtures today, and one Eerste Divisie fixture. Next weekend the Eredivisie takes a break, so the next round of fixtures after today's begins on October 17th.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/05/08 at 12:24 pm

Today's games are all done and dusted:


FC Groningen 3 - 0 ADO Den Haag
FC Utrecht 3 - 0 Twente Enschede
FC Volendam 2 - 4 NAC
Heerenveen 5 - 2 Ajax
Feijenoord 0 - 2 NEC


And the one Eerste Divisie fixture:

FC Zwolle 1 - 0 Go Ahead Eagles

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/05/08 at 2:42 pm


Today's games are all done and dusted:


FC Groningen 3 - 0 ADO Den Haag
FC Utrecht 3 - 0 Twente Enschede
FC Volendam 2 - 4 NAC
Heerenveen 5 - 2 Ajax
Feijenoord 0 - 2 NEC




Five games gone, and Volendam still pointless. Not the best of starts...
On the other hand: they're not too far behind Feijenoord (who have only 4 points so far) and Ajax (with only 7 points).
Top of the list it's still Groningen, who remain unbeaten (4 wins, 1 draw). AZ have moved up to 5th place now.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/05/08 at 3:52 pm

I should imagine supporting Volendam is quite pointless at the best of times! As you say, not the best of starts for the top two, and we've had for 25 or more seasons now the same three teams win the Eredivisie, it would be nice to see if Groningen can keep this up.

Top scorers for the season so far, three players on 6 goals, including Frank Demouge from Willem II and Mounir El Hamdaoui from AZ.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/05/08 at 4:22 pm


I should imagine supporting Volendam is quite pointless at the best of times! As you say, not the best of starts for the top two, and we've had for 25 or more seasons now the same three teams win the Eredivisie, it would be nice to see if Groningen can keep this up.

Top scorers for the season so far, three players on 6 goals, including Frank Demouge from Willem II and Mounir El Hamdaoui from AZ.


According to my information, Frank Demouge has scored only 4. :-\\

El Hamdaoui is on 6 alright, but he's not leading the table either. Amoah (NAC Breda) and Pranjic (sc Heerenveen) are both on 7.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/05/08 at 7:27 pm

I apologise, Henk, I forgot to update the stats on the day. Amoah's two goals yesterday saw him head up the table on eight goals.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/08/08 at 12:20 am

UEFA Cup draw:

Group A: Schalke 04, Paris SG, Manchester City, Racing Santander, FC Twente
Group B: Benfica, Olympiakos, Galatasaray, Hertha BSC, Metalist Kharkiv
Group C: Sevilla, VfB Stuttgart, Sampdoria, Partizan Belgrado, Standard Luik
Group D: Tottenham Hotspur, Spartak Moskou, Udinese, Dinamo Zagreb, NEC
Group E: AC Milan, SC Heerenveen, Braga, Portsmouth, VfL Wolfsburg
Group F: Hamburger SV, Ajax, Slavia Praag, Aston Villa, MSK Zilina
Group G: Valencia, Club Brugge, Rosenborg, FC Kopenhagen, Saint-Etienne
Group H: CSKA Moskou, Deportivo la Coruna, Feyenoord, Nancy, Lech Poznan

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/08/08 at 11:29 am

Thank you for the updates with the draw, Henk. I see you've already cross-posted this to the two threads. An awesome job.

The Netherlands face Iceland on Saturday, and can move right to the top of Group 9 in their qualification table in their own right if they are victorious, and with their opponents winless and currently bottom of the table, it's tough to see it not happening.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/09/08 at 9:58 am

Ten matches in the Eerste Divisie tomorrow, top-of-the-table VVV take on Haarlem FC, while second-top take on second-bottom, as Excelsior face FC Omniworld.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/11/08 at 6:26 am

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie results:


Haarlem FC 0 - 4 VVV
Helmond Sport 3 - 0 TOP/Oss
FC Zwolle 2 - 2 FC Eindhoven
MVV Maastricht 2 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar
BV Veendam 2 - 0 Go Ahead Eagles
FC Den Bosch 5 - 0 FC Emmen VV
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 0 Dordrecht '90
RKC Waalwijk 2 - 0 Fortuna Sittard
Excelsior 2 - 1 FC Omniworld

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/11/08 at 3:49 pm


The Netherlands face Iceland on Saturday, and can move right to the top of Group 9 in their qualification table in their own right if they are victorious, and with their opponents winless and currently bottom of the table, it's tough to see it not happening.


Netherlands win 2 to 0. Goals by Matthijsen and Huntelaar.

I didn't see the game, as I was in theatre, so I can't give you more detailed information.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/11/08 at 8:28 pm

Sadly I didn't see any of it either. They were busy focusing on some England game.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: karen on 10/14/08 at 10:20 pm


Yesterday's Eerste Divisie results:


Haarlem FC 0 - 4 VVV
Helmond Sport 3 - 0 TOP/Oss
FC Zwolle 2 - 2 FC Eindhoven
MVV Maastricht 2 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar
BV Veendam 2 - 0 Go Ahead Eagles
FC Den Bosch 5 - 0 FC Emmen VV
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 0 Dordrecht '90
RKC Waalwijk 2 - 0 Fortuna Sittard
Excelsior 2 - 1 FC Omniworld



Sorry, this team name just caught my eye.  It doesn't fit in with the others at all - is it a new team?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/14/08 at 10:22 pm

They were founded 106 years ago, they're based in someplace called Deventer, which I have to confess I don't recognize.

Maybe they are sponsored by those low-fat chocolate bars.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/15/08 at 12:31 am


They were founded 106 years ago, they're based in someplace called Deventer, which I have to confess I don't recognize.

Maybe they are sponsored by those low-fat chocolate bars.


The name's got nothing to do with the sponsor.

The club was founded in 1902 as Be Quick, but they had to change the name in 1906 when the club joined the NVB (because there already was a club called Be Quick), so they changed it to Go Ahead.
In 1971 the "Eagles" were added, when the professional branch of the club was split off of the amateur branch. That part was inspired by the name of the stadium, the Eagles' Nest (what's the proper English term again?). Also, the city of Deventer has an eagle in its coat of arms.

The best year of Go Ahead Eagles (or GAE for short) was 1965, when it played first round of (what is now known as) UEFA Cup. They played against Celtic FC, and lost both the home (0 - 1) and away game (6 - 0). The home game was attended by approx. 25,000 people - still a record for the club. The stadium currently has a capacity of only 6,750, although it hasn't changed that much since its opening in 1920.

Famous players: Bert van Marwijk, Jan Jongbloed, Ruud Geels and last but not least Marc Overmars.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/15/08 at 11:28 am

Thank you very much Henk. Interesting. Presumably this other Be Quick team you refer to is Be Quick 1887?

Netherlands play Norway, apparently in an hour's time. Domestically, we have one Eredivisie match on Friday, and all ten Eerste Divisie matches. In the Eredivisie, second play third on Saturday as NAC face PSV. AZ are parked in fifth spot, they face De Graafschap, who have two wins from two at home this campaign. Feijenoord have lost two from two away from home, and next match they face... Willem II. Having lost heavily against AZ three weeks ago, I can only hope we can turn our form around.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/15/08 at 3:47 pm


Thank you very much Henk. Interesting. Presumably this other Be Quick team you refer to is Be Quick 1887?


That would be them, yes. Founded 15 years prior to Be Quick (Deventer), Be Quick (Groningen) of course would be granted senior rights.


Netherlands play Norway, apparently in an hour's time.


And we win again! Only one goal, by Mark van Bommel, but it's enough to keep our perfect score so far.


Domestically, we have one Eredivisie match on Friday, and all ten Eerste Divisie matches. In the Eredivisie, second play third on Saturday as NAC face PSV. AZ are parked in fifth spot, they face De Graafschap, who have two wins from two at home this campaign. Feijenoord have lost two from two away from home, and next match they face... Willem II. Having lost heavily against AZ three weeks ago, I can only hope we can turn our form around.


Hah! You've nothing to fear from Feyenoord this season. ;)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/15/08 at 9:04 pm

I hadn't seen the Netherlands-Norway result, thank you for reporting.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/17/08 at 11:22 pm

Yesterday's Eredivisie result:


ADO Den Haag 2 - 0 FC Volendam


Four games in the Eredivisie today, including the rather tasty-looking NAC v. PSV, third against second in the table.

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie results:


BV Veendam 1 - 1 Helmond Sport
Go Ahead Eagles 1 - 0 RBC Roosdendaal
FC Omniworld 1 - 2 FC Den Bosch
Haarlem FC 2 - 1 Excelsior
Dordrecht '90 1 - 1 MVV Maastricht
TOP/Oss 0 - 3 RKC Waalwijk
VVV Venlo 1 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar
FC Eindhoven 2 - 2 FC Emmen VV
AGOVV Apeldoorn 2 - 1 FC Zwolle
Fortuna Sittard 1 - 4 Cambuur Leeuwarden


VVV remain at the top of the table, still undefeated at home. RKC retain their unbeaten start to the season, currently occupying third place in the table.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/18/08 at 4:31 pm

Today's Eredivisie results:


FC Twente 2 - 0 Heracles
NAC 2 - 1 PSV
Roda JC 2 - 2 Heerenveen
Ajax 1 - 0 FC Groningen


So, NAC jump to the top of the table. Tomorrow, Willem II face Feijenoord. •gulp• AZ face De Graafschap at De Vijverberg.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/19/08 at 2:39 pm


Today's Eredivisie results:


FC Twente 2 - 0 Heracles
NAC 2 - 1 PSV
Roda JC 2 - 2 Heerenveen
Ajax 1 - 0 FC Groningen


So, NAC jump to the top of the table.


And that's a first in the history of professional football in The Netherlands (not counting their lead after only one round in 1968).


Tomorrow, Willem II face Feijenoord. •gulp• AZ face De Graafschap at De Vijverberg.


Willem II - Feyenoord 1 - 0. Like I said: Feyenoord are no threat whatsoever... ::) Feyenoord are currently in 15th place - they haven't started this bad in 19 seasons. Still better than Volendam, though, who are still at zero points after 6 games.

De Graafschap - AZ 0 - 2.  AZ move up to third place. :)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/19/08 at 2:54 pm

Current table (after 6 games):

1. NAC Breda...................... 15 
2. FC Groningen...................13   
3. AZ..................................12   
4. PSV............................... 12   
5. NEC............................... 11   
6. SC Heerenveen............... 11   
7. FC Twente..................... 11   
8. ADO Den Haag............... 10   
9. Ajax.............................. 10   
10. Willem II...................... 10
11. Heracles Almelo.............. 9
12. FC Utrecht..................... 7
13. De Graafschap................ 6
14. Sparta........................... 5
15. Feyenoord..................... 4
16. Roda JC......................... 3
17. Vitesse.......................... 2
18. FC Volendam ................ 0

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/19/08 at 3:56 pm

Willem II actually won? Something definitely is wrong!

As for the other two matches:


NEC Nijmegen 3 - 1 Vitesse Arnhem
Sparta Rotterdam 1 - 0 FC Utrecht

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/22/08 at 9:33 pm

PSV beat Marseilles yesterday 2-0, goals at 71 and 85 by Danny Koevermans.

----

Looking ahead slightly - one fixture on Friday, four on Saturday, including AZ v. bottom-of-the-table, nil from six Volendam, and Willem II v. De Graafschap. Feijenoord have not won a league game for six weeks. Fighting relegation come the end of the season? Surely not...

According to my stats, NAC haven't won a top division title since 1920-21, though they finished second in two consecutive seasons during the mid-1950s. And the winner in the first of these - 1954-55? Willem II. The omens look good all round - plus we've already beaten NAC at the Rat this year.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/23/08 at 4:25 pm


Aston Villa 2-1 Ajax
Dyn. Zagreb 3-2 NEC Nijmegen
FC Twente 1-0 Racing
Heerenveen 1-3 Milan
Nancy 3-0 Feijenoord


Feijenoord's poor start to the season continues. Their second away defeat of the week. Tomorrow, nine Eerste Divisie fixtures, top-of-the-table VVV face Veendam, while the still undefeated Waalwijk face the unbeaten-at-home FC Zwolle.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/23/08 at 5:06 pm



Aston Villa 2-1 Ajax
Dyn. Zagreb 3-2 NEC Nijmegen
FC Twente 1-0 Racing
Heerenveen 1-3 Milan
Nancy 3-0 Feijenoord


Feijenoord's poor start to the season continues. Their second away defeat of the week. Tomorrow, nine Eerste Divisie fixtures, top-of-the-table VVV face Veendam, while the still undefeated Waalwijk face the unbeaten-at-home FC Zwolle.


So, only one out of five Dutch teams win. Not the result we were hoping for. :\'(
Of course, for Heerenveen there's no real shame in losing, but Feyenoord on the other hand... They played fairly well in the first half but then gave it away in just ten minutes after the break. Things are not looking good.  :-\\
NEC Nijmegen went 2 to 1 ahead with 10 minutes left to play (which would've been an amazing result), but sadly couldn't keep that score.  :(

Oh, and Twente were facing Racing Santander, btw. ;)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/23/08 at 9:00 pm

Thanks for clarification, Henk, I saw the result and I knew it was against Racing Someone — I just didn't bother to check on ESPN after checking on Soccerbase.

Every team that has recorded a win in the Eredivisie after six games has at least one win at home. Top scorer after six rounds is Matthew Amoah, with nine goals, and in second place, Mounir El Hamdaoui of AZ.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/24/08 at 11:59 pm

Yesterday, Heracles beat ADO Den Haag 3-1. Four Eredivisie games today, four tomorrow.

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie results:


RBC Roosendaal 1 - 2 Cambuur Leeuwarden
FC Zwolle 1 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
MVV Maastricht 2 - 1 FC Omniworld
FC den Bosch 0 - 2 FC Eindhoven
Helmond Sport 1 - 1 Haarlem FC
FC Emmen VV 2 - 3 AGOVV Apeldoorn
VVV 1 - 0 BV Veendam
Excelsior 2 - 1 TOP/Oss
Dordrecht 3 - 0 Fortuna Sittard


One Eerste Divisie game on Sunday, otherwise we're waiting until next Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/25/08 at 3:42 pm

Results from today's games:

AZ - Volendam  3 - 0
Willem II - De Graafschap  1 - 1

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/25/08 at 3:46 pm

Not to mention:


FC Groningen 3 - 0 Sparta Rotterdam
PSV 2 - 3 Roda JC

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/25/08 at 4:09 pm


Not to mention:


FC Groningen 3 - 0 Sparta Rotterdam
PSV 2 - 3 Roda JC



You just beat me to it.

The word "OOPS" comes to mind. :-\\ Losses like this might just make the difference in the end.

This puts FC Groningen back in the lead (for now).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/26/08 at 11:19 am


Results from today's games:

AZ - Volendam  3 - 0
Willem II - De Graafschap  1 - 1




Forgot to mention: Volendam have made history with this result (sad, but true). Never before did a team lose their first seven matches in Eredivisie.

Now if only they could keep it at this... :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/26/08 at 11:29 am

Three of their five goals so far this season have come from Jack Thuijp, who was the Eerste Divisie's top scorer last campaign. Meanwhile, eight of Willem II's eleven goals this season have been scored by the same player (Frank Demouge).

Scary how a single team can rely on an individual player quite so much as they have done so far this season.

Results coming soon. Promise.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/26/08 at 4:15 pm

Today's results:


Ajax 2 - 0 NEC
FC Utrecht 0 - 0 NAC Breda
Vitesse Arnhem 0 - 2 Twente Enschede
Feijenoord 2 - 2 Heerenveen

Feijenoord make it back from 2-0 down at half time.

Three Eredivisie fixtures on Tuesday, and four on Wednesday.

And the one Eerste Divisie game:

SC Stormvogels Telstar 4 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles

A hat trick from 21-year-old Glynor Piet sealed the game for the home side.

A full quota of fixtures in the Eerste Divisie on Friday. Groningen are top of the Eredivisie, their next fixture is away at NEC, who are yet to lose so far at Goffertstadion this term.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/27/08 at 5:10 pm

Three Eredivisie fixtures tomorrow, including what looks like three points in the bag for us at the 6,200 capacity Kras Stadion in Volendam - but you never know these things for certain! Five more on Wednesday and one on Thursday. Ajax have a chance to secure their first away victory of the season, though they face Heracles, who are as yet unbeaten at home.

Nothing in the Eerste Divisie until Friday night. Looking a long way ahead, I forgot that the Eerste Divisie takes a rather long Christmas break, from Friday December 19 until four weeks later, Friday January 16.

————

And just a reminder for me when I work on some stats tomorrow:

Friday, December 21, 2007: SC Stormvogels Telstar 0 - 3 MVV Maastricht

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/28/08 at 5:44 pm

Today's results:

Roda JC  - AZ  0 - 2

Mounir El Hamdaoui scoring his 10th and 11th goal of this season.
This result puts AZ in the lead of the Eredivisie (for the time being).

FC Volendam - Willem II  2 - 2

Finally, a point for struggling Volendam. Platje opened the score for the home team, but goals by Zijler and Quasten put Willem II in the lead. With 15 minutes to go, De Lange secured a point for Volendam.


Forgot to mention: Volendam have made history with this result (sad, but true). Never before did a team lose their first seven matches in Eredivisie.


I was wrong about this... :-eight consecutive losses from the opening game on (a record shared by Volendam (1963/64) and MVV (1968/69)).

And finally:

ADO Den Haag - PSV  0 - 2

Goals from Addo and Bakkal keep PSV in the race for the top, although the team itself is far from "top".

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/28/08 at 8:47 pm

Thank you for updates, Henk. Five Eredivisie matches today and one tomorrow. Saturday sees Willem II at the Philipstadion to face PSV.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/29/08 at 4:45 pm

And some more results have come in.

Sparta Rotterdam - Feyenoord  2 - 1
Feyenoord have now officially entered the relegation zone... :o


NAC Breda - FC Twente  0 - 1


sc Heerenveen - Vitesse Arnhem  0 - 2
Three valuable points for Vitesse there. Maybe this is the turning point.


Heracles Almelo - Ajax  1 - 3
It was an even match with one goal apiece until 15 minutes before the final whistle. The game saw two goals from Klaas Jan Huntelaar.


NEC Nijmegen - FC Groningen  2 - 2
With the two teams sharing the points, AZ are now definitely top of the table. And to think AZ lost their first two games...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/30/08 at 12:53 pm

One Eredivisie match this evening, four on Saturday. AZ have now gotten all 18 of their last 18 points, in five of which they have not conceded a goal. They face Heerenveen away on Saturday night.

Volendam have the chance to achieve their first win on Sunday against De Graafschap.



All ten Eerste Divisie fixtures on Friday. While i'm still thinking about it, the third round of the KNVB Beker happens between November 11—13. All times CET.

November 11, 2008
20:00 Excelsior (1) FC Den Bosch (1)
20:00 WKE (H) De Graafschap (E)
20:00 FC Omniworld (1) NAC Breda (E)
20:00 RKC Waalwijk (1) Achilles '29 (H)
20:00 NEC (E) Rijnsburgse Boys (H)
20:45 Roda JC (E) Willem II (E)

November 12, 2008
18:45 FC Volendam (E) v. Ajax (E)
20:00 Sparta Rotterdam (E) v. SC Cambuur (1)
20:00 FC Eindhoven (1) v. Twente (E)
20:00 sc Heerenveen (E) v. Haaglandia (H)
20:00 FC Lienden (H) v. Vitesse (E)
20:00 ADO Den Haag (E) v. Fortuna Sittard (1)
20:00 AGOVV (1) v. FC Dordrecht (1)
20:00 Telstar (1) v. Groningen (E)
20:45 AZ (E) v. PSV (E)

November 13, 2008
20:45 HHC Hardenberg (H) Feyenoord (E)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 10/30/08 at 1:41 pm


November 13, 2008
20:45 HHC Hardenberg (H) Feyenoord (E)


Heh. The odds are in favor of Hardenberg, I suppose, with Feyenoord in the shape they're in.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/31/08 at 1:02 pm

Forgot to report on yesterday's result: De Graafschap 0 - 2 FC Utrecht. Four Eredivisie fixtures tomorrow, five on Sunday, Feijenoord have the chance to get their first points of the season away from home against Roda, who sacked Raymond Atteveld just three weeks ago.

Ten games in the Eerste Divisie today. Bottom v. top as VVV face Omniworld. Second v. fourth as Excelsior face Helmond, RKC Waalwijk have a chance to continue their unbeaten run, facing FC Emmen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 10/31/08 at 9:02 pm

Yesterday's results:


Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 1 TOP/Oss
Two goals in two minutes by Cambuur to come back with less than ten minutes remaining.

Haarlem FC 3 - 1 FC Zwolle
Helmond Sport 1 - 1 Excelsior
Go Ahead Eagles 0 - 0 Dordrecht '90
The Eagles lost Said Bakkati with eight minutes of the game remaining

FC Den Bosch 2 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
FC Omniworld 3 - 5 VVV Venlo
A veritable goalfest, VVV made it back from 2-0 down after 29, and 2-1 at half time.

AGOVV Apeldoorn 2 - 3 MVV Maastricht
Fortuna Sittard 2 - 1 SV Stormvogels Telstar
RKC Waaliwjk 1 - 0 FC Emmen VV
Emmen lose Sieme Zijm with seven minutes of the game remaining

BV Veendam 2 - 2 FC Eindhoven


No more Eerste Divisie matches until next Friday. Four matches in the Eredivisie today.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/01/08 at 6:59 pm

Today's results:


Twente Enschede 0 - 2 Ajax
PSV 2 - 0 Willem II
Including an own goal from Arjan Swinkels

NAC 1 - 0 FC Groningen
Heerenveen 3 - 3 AZ

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/02/08 at 1:01 am


Today's results:


Twente Enschede 0 - 2 Ajax
PSV 2 - 0 Willem II
Including an own goal from Arjan Swinkels

NAC 1 - 0 FC Groningen
Heerenveen 3 - 3 AZ



You know what this means, don't you?







We have now three teams leading the table with 19 points each (AZ, Ajax and NAC Breda). AZ has the better goal difference, so they're holding on to the top spot. Interestingly, Ajax and NAC Breda have the exact same goal difference (17 - 10).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/02/08 at 3:45 am

True true. Ajax now break even in terms of goal difference away from home. At least Volendam can claim one thing. Their away record is identical to that of Feijenoord. :D

Five fixtures today, and the aforementioned Eredivisie giants can secure their first away points of the season by travelling to Roda. Ajax and PSV face off in two weeks time, though neither is leading the table, that honour belonging to AZ.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/02/08 at 4:24 pm

Today's results:


Vitesse Arnhem 3 - 1 ADO Den Haag
Including a 49 second goal from Ricky van Wolfswinkel

Sparta Rotterdam 0 - 2 NEC Nijmegen
Roda JC 0 - 4 Feijenoord
Feijenoord pick up their first away points of the Eredivisie season

FC Utrecht 2 - 0 Heracles
FC Volendam 3 - 1 De Graafschap
Volendam pick up their first win of the campaign, but remain at the bottom of the table



One Eredivisie fixture on Friday, four on Saturday, four on Sunday. Ten Eerste Divisie fixtures on Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/03/08 at 4:44 pm

Tomorrow, PSV travel to the Stade Velodrome to face Marseille.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/04/08 at 3:43 pm

Marseilles win 3-0 against PSV.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/04/08 at 3:45 pm


Marseilles win 3-0 against PSV.


Oh boy. :(

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/05/08 at 10:08 pm

This evening, Manchester City face FC Twente.

Domestic Eredivisie action coming up soon, one game on Friday, four games Saturday and four games Sunday.

All ten Eerste Divisie games taking place on Friday. Second-placed Waalwijk have the chance to go fifteen games from fifteen this season undefeated against Roosendaal, though it'll be their following fixture that'll be interesting, against Excelsior who currently occupy third place in the table.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/06/08 at 3:39 pm

In a game which finished 3-2 to City.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/07/08 at 4:33 pm

Two goals from Matthew Amoah close to the end of the game ensure a victory away from home for NAC Breda, continuing their unbeaten run away from home and bouncing them to the top of the table.

Groningen can make it five from five at home on Sunday, as can Ajax. Three Eredivisie fixtures tomorrow, five on Sunday.

And today's Eerste Divisie results:


MVV Maastricht 0 - 2 Fortuna Sittard
FC Zwolle 0 - 1 Helmond Sport
VVV Venlo 3 - 1 AGOVV Apeldoorn
FC Emmen VV 2 - 0 Haarlem FC
SC Stormvogels Telstar 3 - 1 FC Omniworld
Thanks to a hat-trick from Glynor Plet

RBC Roosendaal 2 - 2 RKC Waalwijk
Waalwijk make their way back from 2-0 at half-time, scoring their second goal in the final minute of the game

Dordrecht '90 0 - 1 FC Den Bosch
FC Eindhoven 3 - 3 Cambuur Leeuwarden
TOP/Oss 0 - 2 Go Ahead Eagles
Scorer of the second Eagles goal, Frank Broers, is sent off in the final minute of the game

Excelsior 4 - 1 BV Veendam

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/08/08 at 10:33 pm

Yesterday's Eredivisie results:


NEC 1 - 0 PSV Eindhoven
Willem II 2 - 1 Roda JC
Heracles 0 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem


That's a third defeat from five away from home for PSV, while Roda, having gotten rid of Raymond Atteveld last month, remain second from bottom, and are the only team who remain winless at home this campaign. Vitesse's draw bumps Feijenoord down a place into a rather precarious fourteenth. Five Eredivisie fixtures today, AZ will regain the top spot so long as they win against McClaren's FC Twente.

We appear to be having the third round of the KNVB-Beker coming up between November 11-13. In the last 16, we still have six Hoofdklasse clubs, though we could easily have none left by the end of this round, as none are facing each other.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/09/08 at 3:49 pm

Today's results:

FC Groningen - FC Volendam 5-0 
AZ - FC Twente 3-0 
Ajax - Sparta 5-2 
Feyenoord - FC Utrecht 5-2 
ADO Den Haag - SC Heerenveen 0-1


Top three teams all win, and thus no changes at the top.
Bottom 4 teams all lose their respective games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/09/08 at 3:51 pm

Thank you Henk. Next week, one match on Friday, four on Saturday and four on Sunday.

Hopefully I will remember to update the KNVB scores on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/10/08 at 10:35 pm

Six KNVB-Beker matches today, including Roda v. Willem II, nine tomorrow, including AZ v. PSV, and November 13's sole match is HHC Hardenberg v. Feijenoord, which, depending on who you believe, is either taking place in Hardenberg's De Boshoek stadium or FC Emmen's Univé Stadion.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/11/08 at 3:53 pm

Not Eredivisie news as such but, what a great day for Brighton & Hove Albion keeper Michael Kuipers.

Brighton shock City in Cup

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/11/08 at 4:20 pm

Results 3rd round Dutch Cup:

FC Omniworld - NAC Breda  0 - 1
For the first time since the introduction of professional soccer in Almere, the stadium was sold out, but that didn't stop NAC from winning (albeit by a goal well into stoppage time of the second half).

NEC - Rijnsburgse Boys 1 - 0 (AET) 
Bennie van Noord for Rijnsburgse Boys missed a penalty in the first half of the match, but NEC's Youssef El-Akchaoui didn't in extra time.

Excelsior - FC Den Bosch  2 - 0

AGOVV - FC Dordrecht  2 - 3
 
RKC Waalwijk - Achilles '29  1 - 2 
So, with Achilles '29 defeating RKC Waalwijk, at least one Hoofdklasse team has made it to round 4.
RKC went 1 - 0 up in the 18th minute, and they appeared to have the game bagged, but two goals from Thijs Hendriks in the last 15 minutes (one from the penalty spot) stunned the Eerste Divisie team
.



WKE - De Graafschap  2 - 4 
WKE went 3 to 0 down, before scoring twice in the last 15 minutes of the game. In a desperate all-or-nothing attempt by the hosts to take the game to extra time, it was De Graafschap who secured the victory.

Roda JC - Willem II  1 - 0

I'm sorry Bobo... :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/12/08 at 2:13 pm

Breaking news

FC Volendam - Ajax  1 - 0 (AET)
A poor performance from Ajax, who also lost defender Vermaelen due to an injury in extra time, forcing the team to continue with 10 players.
On the other hand: party time in Volendam... :D Match winner: Jack Tuyp (111th minute).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/12/08 at 3:19 pm

I've just looked through the stats - and realized - Willem II are one of only two sides so far this Eredivisie campaign to have a victory against two of the "big three" sides, that is, PSV, Feijenoord, Ajax - the other being sixth-placed NEC.

And while our performance this year so far is a long way from our metaphorical "dice with death" of last season, it goes a long way to show just how much we rely on the performances of individuals, rather than the whole team - this year, Demouge is one of only two of our scorers to have scored more than a single goal this campaign, while last year it was Rydell Poepon, who has thus far scored just two goals for his new club, Sparta.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/12/08 at 4:46 pm

Please correct me if I have any of these wrong, Henk, but these results are not from my normal source, which for some reason doesn't appear to be housing tonight's results - and nobody has been all that quick in editing the relevant Wikipedia page.

Anyway, tonight's results, according to dodgy source. Here we go. :D


FC Volendam 1 - 0  AFC Ajax
FC Lienden 1 - 0 SBV Vitesse
SC Heerenveen 7 - 0 Haaglandia
FC Eindhoven 2 - 3 FC Twente
Sparta Rotterdam 2 - 1 SC Cambuur Leeuwarden
Telstar 0 - 3 FC Groningen
ADO Den Haag 4 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
AZ 1 - 0  PSV Eindhoven

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/13/08 at 12:22 am


Please correct me if I have any of these wrong, Henk, but these results are not from my normal source, which for some reason doesn't appear to be housing tonight's results - and nobody has been all that quick in editing the relevant Wikipedia page.

Anyway, tonight's results, according to dodgy source. Here we go. :D


FC Volendam 1 - 0  AFC Ajax
FC Lienden 1 - 0 SBV Vitesse
SC Heerenveen 7 - 0 Haaglandia
FC Eindhoven 2 - 3 FC Twente
Sparta Rotterdam 2 - 1 SC Cambuur Leeuwarden
Telstar 0 - 3 FC Groningen
ADO Den Haag 4 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
AZ 1 - 0  PSV Eindhoven




Your source seems to be right. Some highlights:

FC Lienden 1 - 0 SBV Vitesse
The shocker of the evening. Hoofdklasse Amateurs' FC Lienden beat Eredivisie's Vitesse Arnhem. For FC Lienden, this is their first Cup appearance ever, and they've already exceeded all expectations.

FC Volendam 1 - 0  AFC Ajax
Ajax have now played Volendam four times in Volendam in a Cup match, and have yet to win.


AZ 1 - 0  PSV Eindhoven
After extra time. The only goal was scored by David Mendes da Silva.

PSV and Ajax are now both out of the Cup competition, and face each other next Sunday for the regular competition. Should be interesting...

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Written By: Bobo on 11/13/08 at 8:29 am

Thank you Henk. I retrieved the results from Soccerway, which incidentally includes rather comprehensive coverage of the six Hoofdklasse and eleven  Eerste Klasse leagues. I might just keep my eye on those in the future.

Having just surfed through each Eerste Klasse league, it seems amazing how a single team appears so dominant in almost all of the leagues. The rather wonderfully named Sportlust are eight wins from nine and undefeated in Eerste Klasse Saturday A, RVVH are currently undefeated in Saturday B, LRC are eight from nine in Saturday C, SVZW are seven from nine and undefeated in Saturday D (having just beaten a team I should probably keep my eye on, FC Zutphen, in the last round, Urk are eight from nine, and ACV are also undefeated in Saturday E.

In the Sunday divisions, FC Chabab have nine wins from nine, though second-placed De Zouaven have five wins from five and no goals conceded at home, Sunday B is currently led by SC Neptunus, though, for a change, no single team seems to be an outright dominant force in the league. RKVV Best Vooruit and RKSV Nuenen remain undefeated in Sunday C. Sunday D is quite packed near the top, SV Juliana lead Sunday E, having most recently beat Avanti Wilskracht by a score of 2-6, while Hoogeveen lead Sunday F and are four for four at home.

It seems that it's not just in this country that there's such a wide gap when it comes to quality of teams in non-league football, especially at levels that low, even within the same divisions.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/13/08 at 8:40 am

I digress. Sliding back into the Eredivisie, we have one match on Friday, four on Saturday, including ADO Den Haag v. Willem II, as we attempt to recover from our cup loss, and four games on Sunday, including the mega-matchup against Ajax and PSV.

If AZ win this season, providing my stats and memory are correct, this'll be the first title that's gone outside the big three since the 1980-81 season, and only the second since defunct outfit DWS (who I believe we've mentioned before on account of at least two of the big three teams' poor form) won in 1963-64.

Sometimes I wish it were 1954-55 all over again, but then where's the fun in that? :D

Our regular set of fixtures this week in the Eerste Divisie, though this week, five are taking place on Friday and five on Saturday. VVV still lead the table - while RKC's undefeated run is under threat tomorrow evening.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/13/08 at 4:24 pm

One last result from the Dutch League Cup:

HHC Hardenberg - Feyenoord 1 -5
Well, no surprises there (although Hardenberg took the lead). The game was done and dusted right after the break, with Feyenoord scoring twice a space of three minutes, thus making it 1 to 3.


Oh, and this is the draw for the 4th round (to be played on 20, 21 and 22 January 2009):

Roda JC - FC Lienden
ADO Den Haag - FC Twente
Feyenoord - SC Heerenveen
NEC - Sparta
FC Dordrecht - De Graafschap
NAC Breda - FC Groningen
AZ - Achilles '29
FC Volendam - Excelsior


Very unlucky draws for the remaining amateur teams - although FC Lienden probably still have a chance against struggling Roda JC.

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Written By: Bobo on 11/14/08 at 4:14 pm

Tonight's final scores.

The one Eredivisie match:


NAC Breda 3 - 0 Heracles


And our five Eerste Divisie results:


Go Ahead Eagles 1 - 2 Haarlem FC
FC Omniworld 2 - 1 Dordrecht 90
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 1 Excelsior
FC Den Bosch 1 - 1 Helmond Sport
AGOVV Apeldoorn 3 - 2 TOP/Oss


Tomorrow, four Eredivisie matches and five Eerste Divisie matches. While Klaas-Jan Goalmachine is indeed Ajax's top scorer so far this season, Hamdaoui has the top Eredivisie tally, with 13 runs from 10 games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/15/08 at 2:03 am



Go Ahead Eagles 1 - 2 Haarlem FC
FC Omniworld 2 - 1 Dordrecht 90
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 1 Excelsior
FC Den Bosch 1 - 1 Helmond Sport
AGOVV Apeldoorn 3 - 2 TOP/Oss



With the numbers 2 to 5 in Eerste Divisie all sharing the points, VVV Venlo have good prospects of gaining on their persecutors (provided they win themselves, of course).

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Written By: Bobo on 11/15/08 at 4:13 pm

Today's final scores:

Eredivisie:


ADO den Haag 0 - 1 Willem II
Willem II scored their goal just after ADO lost their goalkeeper to injury. His replacement was Boy Waterman, who is on loan from AZ. Incidentally, Waterman's first match for AZ came against Willem II.

Heerenveen 3 - 2 FC Utrecht
Sparta Rotterdam 4 - 0 FC Volendam
Sparta scored their first goal as late as the 72nd minute.

Roda JC 3 - 0 NEC


Willem II bounce up a place to eighth, PSV slip outside the Champions League play-off spots, if only temporarily, thanks to Heerenveen's victory.

And from the Eerste Divisie:


FC Eindhoven 0 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
Roosendaal continue their unbeaten run thanks to a goal from Tim Peters, who played with De Graafschap in their Eerste Divisie-winning season of 2006-07.

FC Emmen VV 2 - 4 VVV Venlo
Thanks to a hat-trick from former Helmond Sport player Sandro Calabro.

Fortuna Sittard 1 - 3 FC Zwolle
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 0 BV Veendam
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 1 MVV Maastricht

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/16/08 at 12:37 pm

Today's Eredivisie final scores:


Ajax 4 - 1 PSV
FC Twente 1 - 1 Feijenoord
Vitesse 1 - 1 AZ
FC Groningen 3 - 0 De Graafschap

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/16/08 at 6:52 pm

Apparently the next round of KNVB-Beker fixtures isn't happening until January 21. This week in the Eredivisie, one match on Friday, four on Saturday, four on Sunday. This week in the Eerste Divisie, one match on Sunday but the rest of the matches all on Friday.

One story that ESPN never covered that has been covered extensively by Soccerway is the comeback to soccer of Marc Overmars. The 35-year-old, who started his career with the Go Ahead Eagles, has returned to his first ever side. The Roadrunner spent a season with Willem II before moving to Ajax, Arsenal and Barcelona.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/19/08 at 3:59 pm

The Netherlands win tonight's international fixture against Sweden by 3 goals to 1, thanks to two goals from Robin Van Persie and one from Dirk Kuijt.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/19/08 at 4:24 pm


The Netherlands win tonight's international fixture against Sweden by 3 goals to 1, thanks to two goals from Robin Van Persie and one from Dirk Kuijt.


Haven't seen the game, but I like those figures. :) We don't get to defeat Sweden (away!) that much... ;)


One story that ESPN never covered that has been covered extensively by Soccerway is the comeback to soccer of Marc Overmars. The 35-year-old, who started his career with the Go Ahead Eagles, has returned to his first ever side. The Roadrunner spent a season with Willem II before moving to Ajax, Arsenal and Barcelona.


Yes - he's back, and yes - he's played, but no - he hasn't scored (yet).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/19/08 at 10:00 pm

Random thoughts:

AZ, currently in fourth place, two points off the top of the table, face top side Ajax this weekend. With third-placed Groningen facing Willem II, we all know who's going to win that one *cough*, and with second-placed NAC at home, with their slightly unpredictable form, against NEC this weekend, AZ could theoretically be top of the table this weekend.

That's the plan, anyway, I would think?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/20/08 at 4:25 pm

In the Eredivisie, we have one game tomorrow, four on Saturday, giving Breda the chance to temporarily move three points clear at the top of the table, and four matches on Sunday, including Willem II against Groningen.

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Written By: Bobo on 11/21/08 at 4:04 pm

Tonight's results:

Eredivisie

FC Volendam 3 - 1 Roda JC

Eerste Divisie

RKC Waalwijk 2 - 2 FC Eindhoven
FC Omniworld 3 - 3 FC Zwolle
BV Veendam 1 - 1 FC Emmen VV
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 3 SC Stormvogels Telstar
TOP/Oss 0 - 3 RBC Roosendaal
Excelsior 1 - 1 Dordrecht '90
Helmond Sport 3 - 2 VVV Venlo
Fortuna Sittard 2 - 4 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Haarlem FC 0 - 3 MVV Maastricht


So, just one home win in tonight's bunch of Eerste Divisie games, and perhaps surprisingly, it was top-of-the-table VVV who stumbled against home team Helmond Sport, the losing team even having their blushes spared considerably by two goals in the last nine minutes.

One Eerste Divisie game on Sunday. Four Eredivisie games tomorrow, NAC having the chance to go top if they win against NEC. Ajax, five wins in their last five games, go up against AZ at the Almaarderhout - who happen to be unbeaten in their last ten.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/22/08 at 2:15 am


Tonight's results:

Eredivisie

FC Volendam 3 - 1 Roda JC



Both teams are in serious danger of (direct) relegation...It's good to see Volendam taking the points, bringing back the excitement at the bottom of the table.


One Eerste Divisie game on Sunday. Four Eredivisie games tomorrow, NAC having the chance to go top if they win against NEC. Ajax, five wins in their last five games, go up against AZ at the Almaarderhout - who happen to be unbeaten in their last ten.


The Alkmaarderhout was abandonded a couple of seasons ago. Nowadays AZ have the all new DSB Stadium. ;)
I hope AZ can win this one - that would keep the competition entertaining.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/22/08 at 3:57 am

That's what happens when you start reading the wrong source for results, for some reason the thing I read said it was happening at the Alkmaarderhout. ESPN are right. :D

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Written By: Bobo on 11/22/08 at 3:47 pm

Tonight's Eredivisie results:


NAC 1 - 1 NEC
PSV 4 - 0 Heracles

•cough• Wait a minute. Every time I refresh the page, the final score of this game keeps changing. Any idea Henk?
Twente 6 - 0 Heerenveen
Heerenveen lost Mika Väyrynen in the last minute of the game
De Graafschap 3 - 3 Sparta Rotterdam


Tomorrow, one Eerste Divisie game, and four Eredivisie games, including AZ v. Ajax, both of whom are undefeated in their last five, and ADO, who have five defeats from their last five game, against Feijenoord.

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Written By: Bobo on 11/23/08 at 12:32 pm

Today's Eredivisie results:


Feijenoord 3 - 1 ADO Den Haag
AZ 2 - 0 Ajax
Willem II 3 - 0 FC Groningen
FC Utrecht 4 - 0 Vitesse


And the one Eerste Divisie result:


Go Ahead Eagles 0 - 0 FC Den Bosch
Den Bosch lost Israeli-born Samuel Scheimann in the 59th minute

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Written By: Bobo on 11/27/08 at 4:21 pm

Tonight's European results:


Group D - NEC 0 - 1 Tottenham Hotspur
Group F - SV Hamburg 0 - 1 Ajax
Group H - Deportivo 3 - 0 Feijenoord


Tomorrow, one Eredivisie game, AZ away, and nine Eerste Divisie games, VVV can go for their eighth win from nine at home against struggling Fortuna Sittard, while RBC can extend their unbeaten season to 18 games against Helmond Sport.

I assume that means that if they go nineteen games unbeaten, they've avoided defeat at every Eerste Divisie team at least once? I don't know whether Holland works like that, that every team faces each other once in the first half of the season and once in the second half. i'll check later...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/27/08 at 5:02 pm


Tonight's European results:


Group D - NEC 0 - 1 Tottenham Hotspur
Group F - SV Hamburg 0 - 1 Ajax
Group H - Deportivo 3 - 0 Feijenoord




Excellent performance by Ajax, I must say. They played aggressive and were eager to win.
NEC are lacking international experience, and it shows. Apart from that, it's a rather mediocre team, internationally speaking. Still, I think they had a fair chance against the Spurs tonight.
Haven't seen the Feyenoord match, so I can't say much about that one.


Tomorrow, one Eredivisie game, AZ away, and nine Eerste Divisie games, VVV can go for their eighth win from nine at home against struggling Fortuna Sittard, while RBC can extend their unbeaten season to 18 games against Helmond Sport.

I assume that means that if they go nineteen games unbeaten, they've avoided defeat at every Eerste Divisie team at least once? I don't know whether Holland works like that, that every team faces each other once in the first half of the season and once in the second half. i'll check later...


In general, yes, that's how it works. So I guess your conclusion must be correct.


On a sidenote: Discovery Channel (Netherlands) will be broadcasting three live Eredivisie matches this weekend. On Friday we get FC Groningen vs AZ, on Saturday it's sc Heerenveen vs PSV, and on Sunday it's Ajax vs FC Utrecht. 8)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/27/08 at 6:41 pm


In general, yes, that's how it works. So I guess your conclusion must be correct.


To answer my own question -

RKC Waalwijk's first nineteen games are indeed against nineteen different sides (I've only just had the patience to type these out and check for myself). Their first repeat comes against the very first side they played against in the Eerste Divisie, FC Den Bosch, and while the rest of their fixtures follow a similar pattern, there are some minor differences (too minor to want to go into right now). :D

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/28/08 at 2:59 pm

Well well well. •pondering face• That's what you call jinxing it... Results before the end of the night.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/28/08 at 4:26 pm

Tonight's results:

Eredivisie

FC Groningen 0 - 2 AZ


Eerste Divisie

AGOVV Apeldoorn 0 - 2 Cambuur Leeuwarden
Dordrecht '90 1 - 1 SC Stormvogels Telstar
FC Eindhoven 1 - 1 FC Omniworld
FC Zwolle 1 - 1 Excelsior
Haarlem FC 1 - 0 BV Veendam
MVV Maastricht 2 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
RBC Roosdenaal 1 - 1 Helmond Sport
TOP/Oss 2 - 1 FC Den Bosch
VVV 2 - 0 Fortuna Sittard


The first defeat of the season for RKC Waalwijk. Cambuur Leeuwarden — the surprise package of this season? Finished last season in eighteenth place, flying up in third place as of tonight's results. Venlo remain top of the Eerste Divisie table, still having dropped just two points at home from their first nine games.

No change at the top of the Eredivisie. Four games tomorrow in the Eredivisie. Next Eerste Divisie game on Sunday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/29/08 at 4:19 pm

We have our results in, and off we go:


De Graafschap 1 - 1 Roda JC
Heracles 1 - 0 Willem II
ADO Den Haag 1 - 2 Twente Enschede
Heerenveen 2 - 2 PSV


Tomorrow, four Eredivisie fixtures, and one Eerste Divisie fixture.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 11/30/08 at 2:35 pm


Tonight's results:

Eerste Divisie

AGOVV Apeldoorn 0 - 2 Cambuur Leeuwarden
Dordrecht '90 1 - 1 SC Stormvogels Telstar
FC Eindhoven 1 - 1 FC Omniworld
FC Zwolle 1 - 1 Excelsior
Haarlem FC 1 - 0 BV Veendam
MVV Maastricht 2 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
RBC Roosdenaal 1 - 1 Helmond Sport
TOP/Oss 2 - 1 FC Den Bosch
VVV 2 - 0 Fortuna Sittard



It's worth mentioning that with this result, Stormvogels Telstar claim the Periodetitel (Period Championship), which means they've qualified for promotion play-offs after the regular season. The last (and only) time the team claimed such a championship was in 1978/1979 season (the season following relegation from Eredivisie).
Stormvogels Telstar are a minor player in Eerste Divisie, with one of the smallest budgets, so this is a great achievement for/from the team. They're not likely to move up to Eredivisie again, though.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 11/30/08 at 3:29 pm

Thank you for filling me in on that, Henk, for some reason ESPN didn't report on the period title victory...

Anyway, tonight's results:

Eredivisie

Vitesse Arnhem 1 - 1 Feijenoord
Ajax 1 - 1 FC Utrecht
Sparta 4 - 0 NAC
NEC 6 - 1 FC Volendam

Eerste Divisie

FC Emmen VV 2 - 2 Go Ahead Eagles


Joint second-top scorer in the Eredivisie remains Willem II's Frank Demouge. Not quite sure why I mention that. :D

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/02/08 at 2:17 pm

Real Madrid have confirmed the signing of Klaas-Jan Goalmachine. More here.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/03/08 at 10:16 pm

Coming up in the Eredivisie - four games on Saturday and four games on Sunday, top-of-the-table AZ face Heracles, second-placed Ajax face bottom side Volendam.

One game tonight in the Eerste Divisie, top-of-the-table VVV face their latest challenge at home against MVV Maastricht. The other nine games take place tomorrow, second take on third as surprise package Cambuur Leeuwarden face Excelsior.

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Written By: Henk on 12/04/08 at 12:14 am

UEFA Cup action from last night:

Spartak Moscow - NEC Nijmegen  1 - 2

A truly amazing victory for NEC, who were trailing most of the game after a goal in the second minute. The team realized they really needed to win this game to still have a chance for Round Three, and they went for it in the second half! Still, it took them till the 85th and 87th minute to turn the tables...


FC Twente - Schalke 04  2 - 1

Second win for Twente, which means they've already qualified for Round Three. Excellent result!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/04/08 at 7:37 pm

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie result:


VVV Venlo 2 - 2 MVV Maastricht


VVV falter at home, nearly suffering their first league defeat this season at their home stadium, before two goals in the last four minutes of the game.

Today, nine Eerste Divisie fixtures.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/05/08 at 3:52 pm

Tonight's Eerste Divisie results:


Go Ahead Eagles 2 - 0 AGOVV Apeldoorn
SC Stormvogels Telstar 0 - 2 FC Emmen VV
Dordrecht '90 1 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
BV Veendam 1 - 1 TOP/Oss
Fortuna Sittard 2 - 1 FC Eindhoven
Excelsior 0 - 0 Cambuur Leeuwarden
Helmond Sport 1 - 2 RKC Waalwijk
FC Den Bosch 3 - 4 FC Zwolle
FC Omniworld 0 - 1 Haarlem FC


Next two rounds of the Eerste Divisie take place on December 12 and December 19, before a break which lasts until January 16.

Four Eredivisie matches tomorrow, top-of-the-table AZ take on Heracles, while second-placed Ajax face bottom club Volendam.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/06/08 at 4:19 pm

Tonight's Eredivisie results:


PSV 4 - 2 FC Groningen
Roda JC 3 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem
Twente 6 - 2 Sparta
AZ 2 - 0 Heracles


Tomorrow, five Eredivisie games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 12/07/08 at 8:00 am


Roda JC 3 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem


If Vitesse even fail to win these (relegation) games, it's pretty much over for the Arnhem team (not to mention their coach Hans Westerhof). :(

It's hard to imagine that not so long ago they were battling for Champions League tickets.


AZ 2 - 0 Heracles


Fixed. ;)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/07/08 at 9:41 am

Apologies. ESPN broke again. :D

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/07/08 at 4:13 pm

Okay, let's see if ESPN have gotten it right this time. Tonight's results:


FC Volendam 1 - 2 Ajax
This in spite of Volendam going ahead in the 41st minute

Feijenoord 1 - 3 De Graafschap
NAC 0 - 4 ADO Den Haag
NEC 1 - 2 FC Utrecht


Two come-from-behind victories tonight. No more Eredivisie action until Friday, which is also when we next pick up the Eerste Divisie - where we have two rounds left before Christmas. According to Wikipedia, our three Periodekampen so far are second-placed Excelsior, first-placed VVV, and fourteenth-placed Stormvogels Telstar.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 12/08/08 at 4:57 pm


Okay, let's see if ESPN have gotten it right this time. Tonight's results:


FC Volendam 1 - 2 Ajax
This in spite of Volendam going ahead in the 41st minute

Feijenoord 1 - 3 De Graafschap
NAC 0 - 4 ADO Den Haag
NEC 1 - 2 FC Utrecht




Yes, those are right.

De Graafschap victorious over Feyenoord...in Rotterdam. :o That must be a first. It just goes to show (once again) that anything is possible in Dutch competition.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/08/08 at 6:49 pm


Yes, those are right.


Thank you Henk. Coming up in the Eredivisie, one game on Friday, four on Saturday and four on Sunday. Second play fourth as Ajax and NAC face off, Willem II can bump back into the UEFA Cup placings with a home victory this week.

Roda meanwhile are somewhat stuck near the root of the table. Slightly worrying times. Teams currently in 14th, 15th and 16th places all won their respective Eredivisie games last round.

Two rounds of Eerste Divisie action left before Christmas, with ten games each on Friday 12, and the following Friday 19, before we take a break until Friday January 16.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 12/09/08 at 12:22 am


Real Madrid have confirmed the signing of Klaas-Jan Goalmachine. More here.


Well, to be honest...Klaas-Jan ain't that much of a goalmachine (anymore). I wish him the best of luck in Spain, but I fear it will all turn out to be a great deception. He should've stayed with Heerenveen, if you ask me.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/09/08 at 8:05 am

Perhaps unfortunately, I completely agree. I also didn't realize - and it's the top story on ESPN Soccernet as I speak - that Real have sacked Bernd Schuster and brought in former Tottenham coach Juande Ramos. I knew Ramos was leaving Tottenham but I didn't realize a space was going to open up for him in Spain.

I love how the top scorers chart is looking at the moment though - Hamdaoui at the top, Demouge in second. Unfortunately Hamdaoui's 14 goals so far this season do include a hat-trick at none other than Willem II, but if the two remain at the top of the scoring chart by the end of the campaign, that'll certainly be something.

Current top scorer in the Eerste Divisie is Sandro Calabro of top-of-the-table VVV with sixteen goals, while tied for second - perhaps surprisingly - are Serhat Koc of seventeenth-placed FC Eindhoven and Glynor Plet of recent Periodekampioen Stormvogels Telstar.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/09/08 at 7:21 pm

Yesterday's European result:

Group C

PSV 1 - 3 Liverpool

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 12/10/08 at 12:12 am


Yesterday's European result:

Group C

PSV 1 - 3 Liverpool



And that ends the European adventures of PSV this season. They needed at least a draw to maybe qualify for UEFA Cup.

Well, if you can't win (against "Liverpool-B" in your home stadium), you're just no good. And that's that. I'm a bit sad, but this is where Dutch football stands today.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/10/08 at 11:10 am

While I'm still awake.. one Eredivisie match on Friday, four on Saturday, including AZ at Feijenoord and NEC at Willem II, and four on Sunday.

Our usual batch of ten Eerste Divisie matches on Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/12/08 at 11:26 am

One Eredivisie fixture tonight, Ajax v. NAC, four games tomorrow, and four games on Sunday.

Two further Eerste Divisie rounds until the Christmas break, tonight's games include Go Ahead Eagles' match against top side VVV.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/12/08 at 3:45 pm

Tonight's results:

Eredivisie

Ajax 3 - 0 NAC

Eerste Divsie

AGOVV Apeldoorn 1 - 0 Helmond Sport
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 2 BV Veendam
FC Eindhoven 2 - 1 Dordrecht '90
FC Emmen VV 1 - 2 Fortuna Sittard
Go Ahead Eagles 1 - 0 VVV
MVV Maastricht 4 - 1 FC Zwolle
RBC Roosendaal 1 - 1 FC Omniworld
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 1 FC Den Bosch
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 1 Excelsior
TOP/Oss 1 - 0 Haarlem FC


So a defeat for the top side, though it means little at the top of the table.

Tomorrow, four Eredivisie games, including top side AZ away at eleventh placed Feijenoord.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/13/08 at 3:48 pm

We have tonight's Eredivisie results in:


ADO Den Haag 1 - 1 Roda JC
Feijenoord 0 - 1 AZ
Heerenveen 2 - 0 De Graafschap
Willem II 1 - 2 NEC


Nice job for AZ, less so for Willem II. Four Eredivisie games tomorrow.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/14/08 at 2:14 pm

Today's Eredivisie results:


Vitesse Arnhem 1- 1 PSV
FC Utrecht 0 - 0 FC Volendam
FC Groningen 1 - 4 Twente
Heracles 2 - 1 Sparta Rotterdam


Next week, one Eredivisie game on Friday, three on Saturday, five on Sunday.

Our usual quota of ten Eerste Divisie games next Friday, the final round before the Christmas break. The Eerste Divisie kicks off again on January 16th, soon followed by the Last 16 round of the Dutch Cup.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 12/14/08 at 2:52 pm


Today's Eredivisie results:


Vitesse Arnhem 1- 1 PSV
FC Utrecht 0 - 0 FC Volendam
FC Groningen 1 - 4 Twente
Heracles 2 - 1 Sparta Rotterdam





PSV spilling points again (against Vitesse, currently holding 17th place in competition, no less)... :(

On the bright side: First away point for Volendam this season. :)

I think it's safe to say that both NAC Breda and FC Groningen have now dropped out of the race for the Dutch competition title. They've spilled too many points in the past two to three weeks.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/14/08 at 7:05 pm

Without making it necessary to mention that it is indeed AZ at the top of the table, it would be nice, from a footballing perspective, for the title to go outside of the "big three".

And heck, the fact that one of those "big three" is currently in twelfth position in the table... is somewhat encouraging.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/17/08 at 3:55 pm

Tonight's results:

UEFA Cup Group E

Portsmouth 3 - 0 Heerenveen

UEFA Cup Group F

Ajax 2 - 2 Slavia Prague

UEFA Cup Group H

Feijenoord 0 - 1 Lech Poznan

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/18/08 at 9:30 pm

Yesterday, NEC beat Udinese 2-0 in the UEFA Cup, and PSG beat Twente 4-0.

In the Eredivisie, we have one match today, three matches tomorrow, including NAC, who have now lost three games on the run, and five matches on Sunday, including PSV v. Feijenoord and Twente v. Willem II. Willem II will be looking for their first points since their win at Groningen on November 23.

The usual ten Friday fixtures in the Eerste Divisie tonight at 19:00 GMT.

VVV are nine points ahead of their nearest rivals at the top of the Eerste Divisie - who, ironically enough, they happen to be playing in the final round before the Chrsitmas break. Excelsior are leading the race for the promotion playoffs, while Cambuur are still flying high in fourth place in the table after their poor 2007-08 season.

With eighteen games remaining in this season's Eerste Divisie, Cambuur have already matched their ten wins which they achieved in 2007-08, and on Friday February 13, they have the opportunity to do the double over VVV.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 12/19/08 at 12:18 am


Tonight's results:

UEFA Cup Group E

Portsmouth 3 - 0 Heerenveen

UEFA Cup Group F

Ajax 2 - 2 Slavia Prague

UEFA Cup Group H

Feijenoord 0 - 1 Lech Poznan



Both Heerenveen and Feyenoord lost all of their group matches and are eliminated.

Ajax has secured a place in the third round.


Yesterday, NEC beat Udinese 2-0 in the UEFA Cup, and PSG beat Twente 4-0.



FC Twente had already secured a place in third round, but the surprise of the day comes from Nijmegen, where NEC were victorious over Udinese. :) For the first time in club history, they've made it to round three.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/19/08 at 4:42 pm

Today's results:

Eredivisie

AZ 2 - 0 FC Utrecht


Eerste Divisie

BV Veendam 2 - 4 FC Den Bosch
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 2 Go Ahead Eagles
Excelsior 1 - 2 VVV
FC Zwolle 2 - 1 Dordrecht '90
Haarlem FC 1 - 0 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Helmond Sport 1 - 1 SC Stormvogels Telstar
RBC Roosendaal 0 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 0 FC Omniworld
TOP/Oss 1 - 2 FC Eindhoven


RKC rise back into second place, at the expense of Excelsior.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/20/08 at 7:54 pm

Busy last night, I apologize. Saturday's results:


Sparta Rotterdam 4 - 1 Heerenveen
Five goals in the second half of the game.

Roda JC 2 - 5 FC Groningen
Four of Groningen's goals came from Marcus Berg

NAC 2 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem
Two goals in quick succession for NAC, followed by a 52nd minute sending off of Ricky van Wolfswinkel for Vitesse



Five matches today, including PSV v. Feijenoord, and Twente v. Willem II.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 12/21/08 at 2:53 pm

Results from today's matches:

NEC - ADO Den Haag 0-0 
No goals, no story. ADO got what they wanted, with NEC probably still not fully awake after this week's UEFA Cup success.


De Graafschap - Ajax 0-6 
With Ajax scoring twice in the first 13 minutes of the game, and with Joost Volmer of De Graafschap sent off (after elbowing Dario Cvitanich in the penatly box) in the 35th minute, the game was already over before it even began for the home team.
BTW: last season, Ajax (with Huntelaar) crushed De Graafschap 1 to 8 in "De Goffert".


FC Volendam - Heracles Almelo 3-1
An important victory for Volendam, who have now nearly closed the gap with De Graafschap and Vitesse (only one point behind).
And next week it's Vitesse - FC Volendam... Should Vitesse lose that one, I think it's bye bye Hans Westerhof.


FC Twente - Willem II 2-0
FC Twente win again, and are now holding 3rd place. So this is what Steve McClaren came to do.. ::)


PSV - Feyenoord 1-0
Disappointing performance from both sides, with one goal by Ibrahim Affelay, sending Feyenoord back to the trouble zone once again (13th place).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/21/08 at 3:17 pm

Thank you for covering the results again, Henk. Been very busy this week.

Alkmaar remain at the top of the table, and at the bottom, four teams separated by just three points. Feijenoord's next fixture is against NAC, while Volendam face Vitesse, which if Volendam win the match, could make the bottom of the table somewhat interesting.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/25/08 at 4:27 pm

Eredivisie games this week, one on Friday, four on Saturday, including Willem II's match against Sparta, Willem II having lost every single one of their last games — and PSV v. Twente — both of whom are undefeaten in their last five, Twente with five consecutive Eredivisie victories.

The last eight of the KNVB-Beker is to take place between January 20 and 22. The fixture list will be as follows:

January 20
FC Dordrecht v. De Graafschap
Feijenoord v. Heerenveen

January 21
NEC v. Sparta
AZ v. Achilles '29
Roda v. FC Lienden
FC Volendam v. Excelsior
NAC v. Groningen

January 22
ADO den Haag v. FC Twente

So, two Eerste Divisie teams left, and two Hoofdklasse teams, both of whom play in the same Hoofdklasse division, Hoofdklasse Sunday C. While Achilles are on the charge up the table, with five wins from their last six games, Lienden are currently going through a bad patch, with no wins in their last three games.

Achilles overcame Eerste Divisie high-flyers RKC Waalwijk in the last round. Neither of us will want to see them do the same against AZ, who have conceded just a single goal in their last eight games.

I think I have all of that right. Hope you're having a good Christmas, Henk.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/26/08 at 3:33 pm

Tonight's Eredivisie game, Feijenoord v. NAC, finished 3-1 to Feijenoord.

Four games tomorrow, four on Sunday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/27/08 at 8:30 pm

Yesterday's results:


PSV 0 - 0 FC Twente
Heracles 0 - 0 De Graafschap
Willem II 3 - 2 Sparta
Vitesse 3 - 1 FC Volendam

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 12/28/08 at 12:32 pm

Today's Eredivisie results:


Ajax 3 - 0 ADO Den Haag
Thanks to a hat-trick from Dario Cvitanich

FC Utrecht 3 - 1 Roda JC
AZ 1 - 0 NEC
FC Groningen 2 - 3 Heerenveen


End of year review:

By my reckoning, with seventeen games gone, we're now halfway through the Eredivisie season. AZ lead the pack on 41 points, Ajax trail in second place with 38 points. AZ's only two defeats of the campaign so far came in the first two games of the season, though they hit back against none other than PSV in the third round of fixtures.

This also must mean, therefore, that the two goals that AZ conceded against NAC in their defeat in the first game of the season are the only goals they have conceded at home so far this term. Since the goalkeeper in each of the home games up to this point has been Sergio Romero, this must mean he's now gone... *gets calculator out* 754 minutes without conceding a goal at home.

Alkmaar's next fixture comes on January 18 against bottom club FC Volendam, who I am surprised to discover have so far scored more goals at home than they have conceded so far this season.

Other columns in which teams have notable zeroes, second-placed Ajax are undefeated at home, their only blemish coming in a 1-1 draw against Utrecht on the final day of November. Heracles, Sparta and Volendam are the only teams without a win away from home.

In the Eerste Divisie, RKC Waalwijk jump into second place. Theoretically, Maastricht, in ninth place, and with two games in hand over all but the two teams they still have to play to catch up, could go from 30 points to 36 points with two wins from their two games in hand. If they were to score more than three goals in these two fixtures, and assuming no other team were to play before then (which isn't strictly accurate) they could go up to second place in the table.

Columns with notable zeroes in the Eerste Divisie, both VVV and RKC are undefeated at home, RKC having a surprisingly similar season to their last, in which only their away form stopped them from being promoted to the Eredivisie. Once again they are in second place, though they are being pursued by Excelsior and, perhaps surprisingly, Cambuur. TOP/Oss, five spots from the bottom of the table, are without a win away from home this season, as are second-from-bottom side Dordrecht and bottom side FC Omniworld.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/01/09 at 2:25 pm

Still nothing in the Eredivisie, kicks off again on January 16. Similarly in the Eerste Divisie, kicks off again on the 16th with VVV in top position. According to my stats, Excelsior in third have not won a game in the last five. Peter Uneken of Helmond Sport apparently "leads" the disciplinary league, having received five yellow cards and one red this year.

Sandro Calabro from VVV has 17 goals from 17 appearances in this season's Eredivisie competition, twelve more than he achieved in twice the number of games in VVV's relegation season.

Only one team remains unbeaten in the Hoofdklasse, Rijnsburger Boys have not conceded a goal in their last three fixtures, and have won 11 of their 12 fixtures thus far. In the same division, Alphense Racing Club have lost all of their previous nine fixtures and face second-placed VV Capelle in the next round of fixtures.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/03/09 at 3:18 pm

Nothing in the Dutch leagues today. Casting our net slightly wider into Europe, mostly to stop us from feeling devoid of football, however, non-league Dunkirk have pulled off a shock in the latest round of the Coupe de France, beating Ligue 2 side Montpelier. Another match saw Ligue 2 side Troyes squeak past Championnat National side Louhans-Cuiseaux.

CFA Group C team Montlucon will have to wait until tomorrow to see if they can pull off another shock, against last season's Ligue 1 strugglers PSG. Besançon host Marseilles, currently in fifth in the French league. Any shocks in this round will be most assuredly reported on this page!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/06/09 at 4:48 pm

To tie up the loose ends — Montlucon indeed only lost the match 0-1 against PSG, while Marseilles only won against Besançon on penalty kicks. Eeeeenteresting, Mr. Bont.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/10/09 at 6:29 pm

We're finally back in action next week. Friday sees one Eredivisie fixture, Saturday four fixtures, and similarly, Sunday, four fixtures.

AZ have won every single one of their last six fixtures, including one against Feijenoord, without conceding a goal. Heracles have the chance to get their first away win of the season, against ADO den Haag.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/15/09 at 3:37 pm

Feyenoord coach Gertjan Verbeek has been given the sack last Wednesday.
According to all sources, all Feyenoord players had completely lost faith in Verbeek (who only 7 months ago signed a 3 year contract with the club).
Feyenoord are undergoing one of their worst seasons in recent history. The team was eliminated in the second round of the UEFA Cup (with every game lost in that group stage) and they're currently 12th in competition.

In a rather strange twist of fate, Feyenoord's next opponents (both tomorrow evening and again next Tuesday*) are sc Heerenveen, former employers of Gertjan Verbeek...


*On Friday, January 16, the teams face each other for national competition. Four days later they meet again for Dutch League Cup.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/15/09 at 8:42 pm

According to Wikipedia, Feijenoord's interim manager is Leon Vlemmings, who was the assistant coach at NAC between 2006 and 2008.

The team themselves lie in twelfth place with half the season gone - 7 points away from the UEFA Cup Playoffs.

Ajax are just three points behind AZ, and have scored two goals less than them this season.

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Willem II get the chance to do the home and away double over what will presumably still be a managerless Feijenoord team on January 24.

Willem II's joint second-highest scorers in this Eredivisie season each have two goals. Demouge, for whom 13 of his 14 goals at Willem II have come in this season, is still the joint second-highest scorer in the league. Sort of makes you wonder where the team would be without him. One more goal for Demouge will equal the 15 he scored with his home-town team NEC, having played 41 games fewer.

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Enough rambling. One Eredivisie game on Friday, four on Saturday, four on Sunday. Top play bottom as AZ travel to play Volendam. Ajax face NEC, who have only lost once at home so far this season.

In the Eerste Divisie, top side VVV are defending their unbeaten home record against RBC - but with 12 points between first and second place in the table, they look to be in pretty safe shape for promotion.

RKC, it must be repeated, still have just one league defeat so far this season, at Maastricht - who, in ninth place, still have two games in hand over almost all Eerste Divisie sides.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/16/09 at 2:18 pm


According to Wikipedia, Feijenoord's interim manager is Leon Vlemmings, who was the assistant coach at NAC between 2006 and 2008.

The team themselves lie in twelfth place with half the season gone - 7 points away from the UEFA Cup Playoffs.



...and also only 7 points clear from direct relegation. ::)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/16/09 at 6:13 pm

Friday's results:

Eredivisie

Heerenveen 3 - 1 Feijenoord


Another slip-up for the effectively managerless team. Four Eredivisie games on Saturday - including De Graafschap v. Willem II, both of whom have won just once in their last five matches, and NAC v. Utrecht, NAC having lost four of their last five games.

Eerste Divisie

Dordrecht '90 2 - 0 Top/Oss
FC Omniworld 1 - 0 FC Emmen VV
FC Eindhoven 1 - 4 SC Stormvogels Telstar
AGOVV Apeldoorn 2 - 2 RKC Waalwijk
Fortuna Sittard 3 - 1 Helmond Sport
VVV 3 - 1 RBC Roosdenaal
FC Den Bosch 0 - 0 Excelsior
Haarlem FC 0 - 1 Cambuur Leeuwarden


One Eerste Divisie fixture on Sunday, and one on Monday. The remaining nine, next Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/17/09 at 4:20 am


...and also only 7 points clear from direct relegation. ::)


Sorry, that should be 8 (eight) points. One point that could just make the difference...


Friday's results:

Eredivisie

Heerenveen 3 - 1 Feijenoord


Another slip-up for the effectively managerless team. Four Eredivisie games on Saturday - including De Graafschap v. Willem II, both of whom have won just once in their last five matches, and NAC v. Utrecht, NAC having lost four of their last five games.



Feyenoord's defence suck, and while Heerenveen didn't play their best game ever they deserved the win.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/17/09 at 2:22 pm

Four matches tonight, one is already complete, three are in their second half. If you catch the results before I get back tomorrow morning, Henk, please post them. Sadly the game which is complete isn't the happiest of results for me.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/17/09 at 8:05 pm

Yesterday's results:


De Graafschap 1 - 0 Willem II
ADO Den Haag 2 - 2 Heracles
Twente 2 - 1 Vitesse
NAC 1 - 1 Utrecht
A goal in the 90th minute for Utrecht saving a point for the team.



Four games today, AZ looking for another victory. With half the season gone, AZ already have two victories more than they achieved during the 2007-08 campaign.

Another stat I just happened to look up, in their relegation season of 2005-06, apparently RBC achieved just a single point away from home all season.

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Presumably with 22 rounds of the Eerste Divisie gone we are just two rounds away from discovering who our next periodekampioenen are. If I've understood the table correctly, our period champions so far are Excelsior, VVV, and Stormvogels Telstar, meaning that RKC, who are in second place in the table, are yet to win a period.

The current leaders in this period are Fortuna Sittard, who have four victories from their last four games. Excelsior, winners of the first period, are winless so far this period. Presumably the same situation occurs as last year, whereby our six period champions compete against the two lowest teams in the Eredivisie for the right to appear in the Eredivisie.

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What I don't fully understand is this new ruling about Hoofdklasse teams being allowed to be promoted into the Eerste Divisie, which apparently is going to happen from next season. I assume they will need to comply to special conditions in terms of stadium quality and so on in order to do so. As for our first five Hoofdklasse games of the calendar year? All postponed!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/18/09 at 3:56 pm

Today's results:


Roda JC 1 - 1 PSV
Both goals are credited as being in the 60th minute. Intriguing...

NEC 2 - 4 Ajax
Ajax lost Dario Cvitanich in the second half

FC Volendam 0 - 2 AZ
Sparta 1 - 1 FC Groningen

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/18/09 at 10:21 pm

Not quite sure when it happened, but this is the first time I've seen it mentioned on the page - BV Veendam have been docked a single point because of financial irregularities. Meanwhile, their coach, Joop Gall, has signed a new two-year contract - good news considering their current position of sixteenth in the table.

Willem II are currently in tenth place, two points away from a UEFA Cup qualifying slot. Our next fixture, against Feijenoord. An interesting February for us to negotiate, our first match of the month is against Volendam, and our second against AZ.

Over January 20, 21, and 22, we have our eight fourth-round KNVB-Beker matches - Dordrecht, second from bottom in the Eerste Divisie, will be looking to upset the applecart against De Graafschap, whose first win in four games came at the weekend. The least said about that match, the better. That said, De Graafschap only just squeaked a cup victory against Hoofdklasse side De Treffers in the last round.

AZ face Achilles 29, unbeaten in their last six Hoofdklasse games. FC Lienden's prize for knocking out Eredivisie side Vitesse in the last round is a trip to play Roda JC.

(And just in case I forget, the link for KNVB results is here.)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/19/09 at 3:04 pm


Yesterday's results:


De Graafschap 1 - 0 Willem II
ADO Den Haag 2 - 2 Heracles
Twente 2 - 1 Vitesse
NAC 1 - 1 Utrecht
A goal in the 90th minute for Utrecht saving a point for the team.




But it should have been 2 to 3 for Heracles, who were denied a crystal-clear goal. Both the referee and the linesman didn't see the ball cross the line... When confronted with the video images afterwards, the referee had to admit he was wrong.


What I don't fully understand is this new ruling about Hoofdklasse teams being allowed to be promoted into the Eerste Divisie, which apparently is going to happen from next season. I assume they will need to comply to special conditions in terms of stadium quality and so on in order to do so. As for our first five Hoofdklasse games of the calendar year? All postponed!


Currently, teams from Eerste Divisie can only promote to Eredivise (or stay in Eerste Divisie). There is no risk of relegation. This is against international soccer rules/standards. That's why coming next season relegation from Eerste Divisie and promotion from Hoofdklasse will be introduced. (Introduction has been postponed by one season because of protests from Eerste Divisie teams)
It is not yet clear how this promotion/relegation will work. It could be there's direct relegation for bottom of table in Eerste Divisie vs direct promotion for #1 in Hoofdklasse, but it's also possible there will be some sort of relegation/promotion play-off/s (like we already have for Eredivisie/Eerste Divisie).



Today's results:


Roda JC 1 - 1 PSV
Both goals are credited as being in the 60th minute. Intriguing.
..

NEC 2 - 4 Ajax
Ajax lost Dario Cvitanich in the second half

FC Volendam 0 - 2 AZ
Sparta 1 - 1 FC Groningen



This is correct. The PSV goal was scored from the penalty spot, and the Roda goal was scored straight from the following kick-off.
There shouldn't have been a penalty at all, though... The referee thought to have seen a foul (hands) by Pah Modou Kah, when in fact there wasn't. The referee was man enough to admit he was wrong afterwards - but thank goodness Roda also scored...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/19/09 at 7:12 pm

One match yesterday that I missed out on reporting:


MVV Maastricht 1 - 1 FC Emmen VV
MVV lose Tom Daeman in the last minute of the game



And as a diversion - I seem to remember reading something similar about the Scottish Division Three (from which of course there is still no relegation-promotion). If a team finishes bottom of the division for two years in succession, the team are put to a vote by the Scottish FA, to see whether they should be allowed to stay in the league, and if not, who should take their place.

I believe the first team to which this happened was East Stirling, but I'm too lazy to look it up. :D So many Highland League teams are gagging to get into the league system, it's all a bit silly. The current ruling according to Wikipedia is as follows:

"There is no direct relegation from the Scottish Third Division but since the 2005–06 season if a club finishes bottom for three successive seasons then they will have their full membership of the SFL suspended. The club will then play the next two seasons as a non-voting associate member after which the full members shall vote on the fate of the suspended club."

In spite of Annan being allowed into the Scottish League following Gretna's closure, they finished only seventh in the East of Scotland League in the previous season, showing that it wasn't entirely a choice based on quality.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/20/09 at 12:45 pm

Former EDO player Joop Wille has died at the age of 88. If my Dutch is up to scratch, Wille played a single game for the national team, in April 1940, against Belgium - a 4-2 victory in which he came on as a substitute in the 82nd minute.

Completely on a tangent, from what I garner from this link, this is a list of every scorer in the Eredivisie - up to the end of the 2002-03 season. Someone had too much time on their hands!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/20/09 at 2:47 pm


Former EDO player Joop Wille has died at the age of 88. If my Dutch is up to scratch, Wille played a single game for the national team, in April 1940, against Belgium - a 4-2 victory in which he came on as a substitute in the 82nd minute.


Sad but true. Joop Wille was the last player alive to have played for the Dutch national team prior to WW II.
Additional information: he was a goalkeeper.


Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/20/09 at 6:59 pm

Matches from January 20:


Dordrecht '90 0 - 1 De Graafschap
The Eerste Divisie team presumably then very unlucky to lose to a single goal, a penalty in the 71st minute.

Feijenoord 0 - 3 Heerenveen
Oh dear oh dear. Two goals from Viktor Elm, who has just signed for the team in this January transfer window, and who has so far made just a single league appearance for the side.



If my stats are correct, this means that Feijenoord haven't beaten Heerenveen in the last four attempts - including one defeat and two draws in the Eredivisie. Five matches today, if all goes to plan. Which it probably won't, knowing my luck. We shall see.

Coming up in the Eredivisie this week, we have four matches on Saturday and five on Sunday. Nine Eerste Divisie matches on Friday, one on Saturday. Fortuna Sittard, with four wins in their last five matches, but still stuck in 12th place, will be looking to beat SV Cambuur Leeuwarden, who are undefeated in their last five matches.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/21/09 at 4:00 pm

Latest results, KNVB Beker:

Full Time:
AZ - Achilles '29              3 - 0
NEC - Sparta                  2 - 1
FC Volendam - Excelsior  3 - 0 (all goals were scored in the final 7 minutes of the game)
Roda JC - FC Lienden      2 - 0 (AET)

Latest:
NAC Breda - FC Groningen 2 -1 (play in extra time)

So sadly, both Hoofdklasse teams are eliminated. :\'(

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/21/09 at 4:01 pm

Cheers Henk, I've been too busy to post tonight.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/21/09 at 4:08 pm


Latest results, KNVB Beker:

Latest:
NAC Breda - FC Groningen 2 -1 (play in extra time)



Still in play.
Berg missed a penalty for FC Groningen in the 101st minute... :(

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/21/09 at 4:11 pm


Still in play.
Berg missed a penalty for FC Groningen in the 101st minute... :(


115th minute: Granqvist makes it 2 - 2.

And btw: NAC are playing with 10 men. Patrick Zwaanswijk was sent off in the 100th minute of the game (second yellow).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/21/09 at 4:21 pm


115th minute: Granqvist makes it 2 - 2.

And btw: NAC are playing with 10 men. Patrick Zwaanswijk was sent off in the 100th minute of the game (second yellow).


There's the final whistle. Well, it's up to penalties now...

Feher (NAC) - scores 1 - 0
Van de Laak (Groningen) - scores 1 -1
Penders (N) - misses
Berg (G) - scores 1- 2
Reuser (N) - misses
Garcia (G) - misses
Gilissen (N) - scores 2 -2
Granqvist (G) - scores 2 - 3
Boukhari (N) - scores 3 - 3
Levchenko (G) - misses

Mtiliga (N) - scores 4 - 3
Holla (G) - scores 4 - 4
Elshot (N) - scores 5 - 4
Sankoh (G) - scores 5 -5
Loren (N) - scores 6 - 5
Cahais (G) - scores 6 - 6
Idabdellhay (N) - scores 7 - 6
Krohne (G) - misses

...and that's it. Game over for Groningen, NAC Breda proceed to quarter finals.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/21/09 at 8:55 pm

Damn. Sudden death penalties. Is there a worse way to go out of a competition? Thank you for the updates Henk. I misread your first post, didn't realize the game was still in play at the time.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/21/09 at 9:00 pm

How times change in the Eredivisie. Way back in the dim and distant past of a couple of years ago, you wouldn't be caught dead saying that Feijenoord have just one win from their last six games. Mind you, Willem II are doing no better, coincidentally having an identical last five record as the team they face on Saturday evening.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/22/09 at 4:02 pm

The only remaining game in this round of KNVB Beker (ADO Den Haag - FC Twente) has been postponed due to heavy rainfall.
The game has been rescheduled for 28 January.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/22/09 at 4:26 pm

McClaren will be used to the rain having spent so much time in this country..! Thanks for the update Henk.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/23/09 at 7:47 pm

Results from Friday:


MVV 2 - 2 FC Dordrecht
SC Stormvogels Telstar 2 - 1 VVV
Helmond Sport 1 - 3 BV Veendam
FC Zwolle 3 - 2 AGOVV Apeldoorn
FC Den Bosch 3 - 1 FC Omniworld
RKC Waalwijk 5 - 0 TOP/Oss
FC Emmen VV 1 - 4 FC Eindhoven
Cambuur Leeuwarden v. Fortuna Sittard - Postponed
RBC 0 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles


So, a loss for the top-of-the-table side and a resounding win for second placed RKC. It may be too late for things to start to get nervewracking for either team, but time will tell.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/23/09 at 11:45 pm

Four Eredivisie fixtures and one Eerste Divisie fixture today.

Joost Volmer currently "leads" the current fair play charts. The De Graafschap player, who has previously played for AZ and West Bromwich Albion, is the only player so far this season to have received two red cards - the first against Sparta and the second a month, and two games (for him) later, against Ajax - which according to my stats is the most recent match in which he has played.

With just three points from their last six games, bottom of the "Recent Form" table is.. Willem II.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/24/09 at 3:44 pm

Our Eerste Divisie fixture is finished:


Excelsior 1 - 1 Haarlem FC

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/26/09 at 1:34 pm

Results from Eredivie games this weekend:

Saturday, January 24:
sc Heerenveen - Roda JC 2-0 
PSV - NAC Breda 2-2 
AZ - De Graafschap 2-0 
Feyenoord - Willem II 1-1 (Feyenoord securing a point in the last minute of additional time...)

 
Sunday, January 25:
Vitesse - NEC 0-0 
FC Utrecht - Sparta 3-3  (Sparta are still awaiting an away win this season)
FC Groningen - Ajax 1-0  (Groningen back on the 'up', and Ajax on the 'down'...?)
Heracles Almelo - FC Twente 1-2 
FC Volendam - ADO Den Haag 0-1 (Another loss for Volendam. Things are starting to look grim.)


And with that, AZ are now six points in the lead. Ajax are still second, but are just one point ahead of FC Twente.
PSV, now 15 points behind AZ, are definitely out of the race for the championship, while Feyenoord are still struggling on 12th place (although relegation seems rather unlikely, with bottom three teams not closing in).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/26/09 at 1:36 pm

And the one Eerste Divisie result, from Saturday:


Excelsior 1 - 1 HFC Haarlem

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/26/09 at 3:02 pm

Let's have a look at the past... Just how many different Eredivisie champions do you think we have seen, since the introduction of professionalism (in 1954)..? ::)





















Only nine! :o

So far, 6 teams have managed to grab the championship title one time each, while the Big Three (Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord) are holding 48 championship titles between them (see table below). Wouldn't it be nice to see AZ claiming the title (which would be their second ever) for a change..?



1954/'55 Willem II
1955/'56 Rapid JC
1956/'57 Ajax
1957/'58 DOS
1958/'59 Sparta
1959/'60 Ajax
1960/'61 Feyenoord
1961/'62 Feyenoord
1962/'63 PSV
1963/'64 DWS
1964/'65 Feyenoord
1965/'66 Ajax
1966/'67 Ajax
1967/'68 Ajax
1968/'69 Feyenoord
1969/'70 Ajax
1970/'71 Feyenoord
1971/'72 Ajax
1972/'73 Ajax
1973/'74 Feyenoord
1974/'75 PSV
1975/'76 PSV
1976/'77 Ajax
1977/'78 PSV
1978/'79 Ajax
1979/'80 Ajax
1980/'81 AZ Alkmaar
1981/'82 Ajax
1982/'83 Ajax
1983/'84 Feyenoord
1984/'85 Ajax
1985/'86 PSV
1986/'87 PSV
1987/'88 PSV
1988/'89 PSV
1989/'90 Ajax
1990/'91 PSV
1991/'92 PSV
1992/'93 Feyenoord
1993/'94 Ajax
1994/'95 Ajax
1995/'96 Ajax
1996/'97 PSV
1997/'98 Ajax
1998/'99 Feyenoord
1999/'00 PSV
2000/'01 PSV
2001/'02 Ajax
2002/'03 PSV
2003/'04 Ajax
2004/'05 PSV
2005/'06 PSV
2006/'07 PSV
2007/'08 PSV

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/26/09 at 6:57 pm

I knew AZ were the last champions outside the "big three", and partially for that reason, it would be very nice to see them achieve this again. According to Wikipedia, this means that DWS won the Eerste Divisie in one season and then the Eredivisie the very next. Presumably they are the only team to ever do this.

What I'm unsure of is what happened to VCV Zeeland after 1992. Having just read, it appears that they briefly became a professional club between 1990 and 1992, changing their name in the process, and then went back to amateur status once again. According to RSSSF they finished bottom of the Eerste Divisie in 1991-92 and were never seen again.

Bottom of the all-time table as of the end of the 2003-04 season, and therefore probably still there, given they played two 34-game seasons and then vanished, are DS '79, about whom I knew nothing, but this page explains pretty much everything I didn't previously understand.

This week, one game on Friday, as Roda JC attempt for their first league win of the year - having squeaked past FC Lienden in extra time on Wednesday of last week. Well I guess if they can beat Willem II, they can beat anyone! *wry grin*

Willem II go for just their second win in eight games on Saturday as they face Vitesse Arnhem, whose draw against NEC over the weekend pushed them gingerly out of the Relegation Play-off places. Ajax can temporarily move to within three points of the top spot if they keep up their unbeaten home run against fourth-placed Heerenveen, while AZ travel to play Sparta, who have won five of their nine games at home this season.

But with that away record..!

Today in the Eerste Divisie, we have a game between Cambuur Leeuwarden, unbeaten in five games and within touching distance of third place in the table, and Fortuna Sittard, which I assume was either postponed, not played, or both, on Friday. Otherwise, this coming Friday, we have our usual ten fixtures, with third-placed Excelsior Rotterdam going after what would appear to be their first league win in all of ten games - having won six games in a row from games 2 - 7 of the season.

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I was slightly surprised to find this in my stats: Between August 19, 2005 and October 13, 2006, Fortuna Sittard played precisely 50 league and cup games, and won just two. Between November 19, 2004 and April 1, 2005, they played 15 games and failed to win even one.

A similar run in November 2001-April 2002 saw 15 losses and 5 draws from 20 games - though this was an Eredivisie season - they started Eerste Divisie life with 6 losses from 9 games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/27/09 at 3:43 pm


I knew AZ were the last champions outside the "big three", and partially for that reason, it would be very nice to see them achieve this again. According to Wikipedia, this means that DWS won the Eerste Divisie in one season and then the Eredivisie the very next. Presumably they are the only team to ever do this.


Correct. I doubt if any team will ever be able to repeat that double.


What I'm unsure of is what happened to VCV Zeeland after 1992. Having just read, it appears that they briefly became a professional club between 1990 and 1992, changing their name in the process, and then went back to amateur status once again. According to RSSSF they finished bottom of the Eerste Divisie in 1991-92 and were never seen again.


I can tell you what happened: the team returned to amateur ranks. The team (now known as VC Vlissingen) are currently in Sunday 3rd Division.

Amateur club VC Vlissingen made it to quarter finals in Dutch league cup in 1989. Following that success, plans to form a professional team were launched, and in 1990/1991 season VC Vlissingen made its professional debut. Name was changed to VCV Zeeland starting 1991/1992 season. Although the team didn't perform badly, it was all over after just two seasons. Mismanagement and financial shortcomings caused the KNVB to revoke the teams professional license.
VC Vlissingen returned to the ranks of amateur soccer, and went bankrupt two seasons later (still due to the massive losses following their Eerste Divisie adventure). This time, however, the team was saved by the management and a restart was made.

I must admit I'd completely forgotten about VC Vlissingen / VCV Zeeland... :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/27/09 at 3:50 pm

I assumed they were indeed essentially the same team, thanks for the clarification Henk.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/27/09 at 4:13 pm


I assumed they were indeed essentially the same team, thanks for the clarification Henk.


It's quite bizarre, now that I've looked into the matter. In those years, they were playing teams like AZ, NAC, NEC and sc Heerenveen - who are all established teams in Eredivisie nowadays.
VC Vlissingen / VCV Zeeland ended dead last in both 1990/1991 and 1991/1992 season, btw, with only 6, respectively 4 wins.

The next team to maybe disappear from the ranks of professional soccer are FC Eindhoven. They shouldn't have been given a license this season in the first place (unbalanced budget, going on for years already). It looks like it's gonna be all over at the end of this season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/27/09 at 7:33 pm

At which point presumably they will be replaced by the Hoofdklasse team with the best facilities to apply for a position.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/28/09 at 3:49 pm


At which point presumably they will be replaced by the Hoofdklasse team with the best facilities to apply for a position.


I don't think that's gonna happen. KNVB wants to decrease the number of teams in Eerste Divisie, so they're very much supporting teams merging (like Fortuna Sittard and MVV). It's unlikely they'll replace one team with another.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 01/28/09 at 4:09 pm

More news: Huub Stevens has resigned as coach of PSV. Kinda sad, a bit unexpected - and then again, maybe it wasn't. PSV (reigning champions) are currently in 5th position in competition (15 points behind leaders AZ).

Mario Been, on the other hand, is going to make a move as coach from NEC Nijmegen to Feyenoord next season, to maybe get the team back where they belong.



And then there's one result from KNVB Beker:

ADO Den Haag - FC Twente 1 - 5.

You can watch the first 5 goals (all in first half of the game) right here. No sound, just video, and not the best of quality either - but the last goal especially is worth watching.

Poor performance by Den Haag (again). And yes, the goalkeeper was replaced at half time (although the damage was already done).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/28/09 at 7:45 pm


I don't think that's gonna happen. KNVB wants to decrease the number of teams in Eerste Divisie, so they're very much supporting teams merging (like Fortuna Sittard and MVV). It's unlikely they'll replace one team with another.


Understandable. Not all leagues would switch right to the Briitsh mindset of "quick, we need to replace the team immediately!".

Thanks for covering the KNVB Beker result. We have our usual ten Eerste Divisie fixtures and one Eredivisie fixture tomorrow.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/30/09 at 6:43 pm

ESPN's results window has been given somewhat of a makeover, though this does not prohibit me from bringing yesterday's scores:

Eredivisie

Roda JC 3 - 1 Heracles

Eerste Divisie

VVV 6 - 0 FC Eindhoven
Six goals, six different scorers, and FC Eindhoven lose Kevin van Assauw in what may be just his second appearance for the team. Or it may not, depending on how reliable my source is. VVV meanwhile make up for their loss against Telstar last week.

Helmond Sport 2 - 1 MVV Maastricht
No win in the last four for Maastricht, who are still clinging on by their fingernails to a promotion play-off place.

Fortuna Sittard 1 - 1 Excelsior
Top/Oss 3 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar
Dordrecht '90 1 - 0 FC Emmen VV
Go Ahead Eagles 0 - 0 RKC Waalwijk
AGOVV Apeldoorn 3 - 2 FC Den Bosch
Henk Baum, who once again, may or may not have made his league debut in this game according to Soccerway, scored the second AGOVV goal.



Other three matches listed as "postponed", probably means they'll just be picked up someday soon.

Next week in the Eerste Divisie, nine matches on Friday, and one on Sunday. In the Eredivisie, ADO Den Haag, who picked up their first league win in five games after a disastrous seven losses on the bounce between October 24 and November 29, against Volendam on Sunday, face Groningen, Volendam travel to play NAC, a team who they've only beaten once away from home since 1993.

Ajax attempt to bounce back against Heerenveen, who need to win to ensure they stay in fourth position. Ajax lost the corresponding fixture in October, however, they have suffered just two losses since then, one against Groningen last week, and the other against the might that are this season's AZ.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 01/31/09 at 8:44 pm

Yesterday's Eredivisie results:


ADO Den Haag 0 - 1 FC Groningen
Ajax 0 - 1 Heerenveen
NAC 1 - 1 Volendam
Willem II 0 - 2 Vitesse Arnhem


That's two losses in the last two games for Ajax. Every team from PSV in fifth to Sparta in thirteenth has now gone at least two games without a win. Heerenveen are the only team apart from AZ to have won all of their last four fixtures.

AZ will make it five months unbeaten in the Eredivisie if they can survive their next three games - the third of these is against Willem II. El Hamdaoui has scored 15 goals from the 18 Eredivisie fixtures in which he has played this season.

Twente can leapfrog Ajax and go into second place with a win against FC Utrecht.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/01/09 at 12:39 pm

Today's Eredivisie results:


FC Twente 0 - 0 Utrecht
De Graafschap 0 - 3 PSV
NEC 1 - 0 Feijenoord
Sparta 0 - 2 AZ

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/01/09 at 5:17 pm


Today's Eredivisie results:


FC Twente 0 - 0 Utrecht
De Graafschap 0 - 3 PSV
NEC 1 - 0 Feijenoord
Sparta 0 - 2 AZ



Which means there's now a 9 point gap between AZ (in first place) and Ajax (in second). FC Twente are tied (in points) with Ajax, but have a lesser goal balance.
Wouldn't it be great to see AZ take the championship, with FC Twente coming second? What a great rehabilitation that would be for Steve McClaren!

One of the most interesting games coming up this week is gonna be Feyenoord - Sparta Rotterdam.
That's always an interesting match (sibling rivalry), but right now even more so because both teams are currently tied at 12th place.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/01/09 at 5:23 pm

It would be nice to see Steve McClaren in with a shot of winning something at least..!

I haven't yet looked at this week's fixtures - seems we have a bunch of midweek games to wade through - three Eredivisie games on Tuesday, five on Wednesday, and one on Thursday.

Next weekend, we have four Eredivisie fixtures on Saturday and five on Sunday - AZ take on Willem II - Willem II have only won one game between the sides away from home - eight years ago!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/02/09 at 7:59 am


Which means there's now a 9 point gap between AZ (in first place) and Ajax (in second). FC Twente are tied (in points) with Ajax, but have a lesser goal balance.
Wouldn't it be great to see AZ take the championship, with FC Twente coming second? What a great rehabilitation that would be for Steve McClaren!


I've been trying to find out when was the last time none of the traditional Top 3 Teams were either champion or runners-up. I've found this was exactly 50 years ago. In 1958/1959 season, Sparta Rotterdam were champions with Rapid JC (that would be Roda JC today) runners-up.

Mind you, professional soccer was still in its infancy in those days.

I don't know why, but I can't seem to find any results from 1955/1956 competition (other than that Rapid JC were champions)... :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/02/09 at 8:05 am

Interesting stats - and I haven't been able to find stats from 1955-56 either, which is a bit of a bummer. I'm surprised to learn that the Eredivisie top scorer in 56-57 scored 43 goals - considering we had only a 34-game season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/03/09 at 5:03 pm

Results from today's Eredivisie games:

Vitesse - sc Heerenveen 1-0
Second consecutive win for Vitesse end the winning streak of Heerenveen (who had won three games in a row since the end of winter break). Vitesse have now moved up considerably.
 
Willem II - FC Volendam 1-2 
First away win for Volendam this season brings them within touching distance of De Graafschap.

Ajax - Heracles Almelo 2-2
Heracles could hold on to their 0 to 2 lead until the 70th minute of the game, but then Ajax scored twice within two minutes (including one from the penalty spot). A late (winning) goal by Suarez was being disapproved because of offside, but video footage showed this was an unjust decision.

AZ can now extend their lead to 11 points when they win their game against Roda JC.


Speaking of Roda JC:
The boards of Roda JC and Fortuna Sittard have agreed on a merger of the two teams, to form one new FC Limburg. Of course the fans of both teams aren't happy with this decision (which is a bit odd, considering both Roda and Fortuna are merger teams themselves...)
Although the merger still needs the approval of the Roda JC Foundation (founded five years ago by the board of Roda JC, to protect the identity of the team) it's really just a question of time.
It's a bit sad that recently the chairman of Roda JC (very much in favor of a merger) had to step down when his family was threatened by hardcore Roda fans, trying to stop the merger plans.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/03/09 at 6:12 pm

Thanks for the results Henk, and what a bummer for Willem II. Why is it that rubbish teams are always rubbish until they end up playing my team?! Gah, the mysteries of football.

Interesting news about Roda and Fortuna, thanks for filling me in on the latest information. I assume the merger will take place very soon - next season perhaps?

Five games today, AZ, 27 points from their last 27 available, face Roda, who are just hovering in the relegation play-off zone.

Ajax are without a win in their last three matches, having suffered the indignity of a KNVB-Beker loss to Volendam in November.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/03/09 at 6:29 pm

One Eerste Divisie result from yesterday too:


Haarlem FC 2 - 0 RBC Roosendaal


No wins since November 21 for RBC. And the less said about their KNVB loss to Rijnsburgse Boys, the better. Something's going wrong here. The squad's oldest player is 40-year-old Henk Vos, whose career started in 1984-85, even before I was born!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/04/09 at 4:15 am


One Eerste Divisie result from yesterday too:


Haarlem FC 2 - 0 RBC Roosendaal


No wins since November 21 for RBC. And the less said about their KNVB loss to Rijnsburgse Boys, the better. Something's going wrong here. The squad's oldest player is 40-year-old Henk Vos, whose career started in 1984-85, even before I was born!


Here's something Quite Interesting... ::) When RBC Roosendaal played HFC Haarlem at home earlier this season, they won 2 to 0. So now the scores are even.

Ah, well...Both Haarlem and RBC have seen better days: HFC Haarlem ended in 4th place in Eredivisie (twice: 1981/1982 and 1983/1984), but that was back in the days when Ruud Gullit was playing for the team. They even played UEFA Cup in 1982/1983, reaching 2nd round.
RBC Roosendaal also has an Eredivisie past, though not as successfull as Haarlem. Best result was a 12th place in 2003/2004 season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/04/09 at 12:27 pm

I certainly remember RBC being in the Eredivisie - though this was in the days when I was taking much more note of Spanish and Italian football than Dutch.

Five matches this evening.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/04/09 at 4:42 pm

Let's see if I've got these results right.


Twente 4 - 1 NAC
AZ 1 - 0 Roda
Feijenoord 1 - 0 Sparta
FC Utrehcht 3 - 0 De Graafschap
FC Groningen 2 - 0 NEC


Five away defeats, and just one goal scored away from home tonight.

One Eredivisie match tomorrow. On Friday, our remaining nine Eerste Divisie matches. FC Zwolle aim for their fourth consecutive victory, though their opponents are top-of-the-table VVV. Three teams have no victories in their last five matches - nineteenth-placed FC Emmen, seventeenth-placed RBC, and quite worryingly, fourth-placed Excelsior. FC Emmen face Cambuur, unbeaten in their last five, and still high-flying in third place. Maybe if results go Cambuur's way they can bounce up into second place.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/05/09 at 4:09 am


Let's see if I've got these results right.


Twente 4 - 1 NAC
AZ 1 - 0 Roda
Feijenoord 1 - 0 Sparta
FC Utrehcht 3 - 0 De Graafschap
FC Groningen 2 - 0 NEC


Five away defeats, and just one goal scored away from home tonight.



Yep, those are right - which means that FC Twente have now moved into 2nd place, trailing AZ Alkmaar by 9 points. This is going to be one of their best seasons ever, if they can hold on to their current form.
On a sidenote: again, no goal(s) conceded by AZ Alkmaar this round.

Though Volendam are still in 18th (and last) place, they've now nearly closed the gap with 17th placed De Graafschap. Only one point separates the two.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/05/09 at 1:12 pm

This weekend, we have four matches on Saturday and five matches on Sunday. Twente are now eleven games unbeaten facing second-from-bottom De Graafschap, three losses on the bounce, on Sunday afternoon.

Ironically their KNVB Beker quarter-final match is also against De Graafschap, on March 4th.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/05/09 at 3:41 pm

One last result from this midweek round:

PSV - FC Den Haag 6 - 0

Well, that's more like it. Three goals from Dzsudzsak, two from Amrabat and one from Toivonen bring PSV back to 4th place, 4 points behind Ajax and 6 behind FC Twente. Anything is still possible.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/06/09 at 2:51 pm

This weekend in the Eredivisie, four matches on Saturday and five on Sunday - AZ face Willem II at 7:45CET. Willem II are without a win in their last four matches, while AZ, of course, unbeaten in 22 in all competitions.

On March 5, they face NAC in the KNVB Beker - the team against whom they came unstuck in the first match of the season.

According to my stats, the last time AZ lost more than two consecutive matches at home was the 2000-01 season, when they went eight home games without a victory - against - amongst others, RKC, Fortuna Sittard, and De Graafschap.

AZ lost their KNVB Beker first-round tie against Cambuur Leeuwarden in the 2007-08 season - but in the previous year's competition, they beat two teams - VV Bennekom and SV Meerssen - the latter of whom is floundering in Sunday Hoofdklasse B - having scored 10 goals against each.

Glory days(?!)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/07/09 at 5:16 pm

Tonight's results:
Roda JC - Sparta Rotterdam   0 - 1 (first away win this season for Sparta)
sc Heerenveen - NAC Breda   3 - 1
AZ - Willem II                       3 - 1 (another win, but the one goal kept AZ from breaking a club competition record)
Heracles Almelo - NEC           1 - 1

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/07/09 at 6:13 pm

Indeed, the first goal AZ have conceded since November 16. Thanks for posting the results. AZ are now 11 wins in a row - and that's in spite of Willem II going 1-0 up within 18 minutes.

Sparta's win is indeed their first away league win since January 27 last year - and their first win in seven matches in all competitions. Today's loss for NAC means they have gone six Eredivisie games without a win. They apparently face AZ at home in the quarter finals of the KNVB-Beker.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/08/09 at 1:39 pm

Full time in all our games:


FC Utrecht 3 - 1 ADO Den Haag
Utrecht go a goal down, but pull back to win the game following the sending off of ADO den Haag's goalkeeper, Robert Zwinkels.

Vitesse 4 - 1 Ajax
Ajax have now lost three of their last four games.

Feijenoord 0 - 0 Groningen
De Graafschap 2 - 2 FC Twente
FC Volendam 3 - 5 PSV
Jack Tuyp and Ola Toivonen get sent off, leaving each side with ten men.



And today's only Eerste Divisie result:


SV Stormvogels Telstar 0 - 0 HFC Haarlem


Next week in the Eredivisie, Willem II get the Friday fixture, against Utrecht. AZ face PSV on Saturday, with the chance of their thirteenth consecutive victory in league and cup. Three other fixtures on Saturday, ADO Den Haag with the chance of brekaing their three-game losing streak against second-from-bottom De Graafschap, while the similarly hapless NAC face Roda on Saturday also.

NAC have three more games before their next KNVB match, and will be wanting some points after just one win in their last eleven games.

Eleventh-placed Vitesse have every chance to gain their fourth consecutive victory, with a win against Sparta next Sunday.

As for the Eerste Divisie, we have two matches on Tuesday, Cambuur Leeuwarden face FC Zwolle. Their record against each other? Six wins, six draws, and six losses from eighteen competitive matches. Otherwise, our usual ten matches on Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/08/09 at 1:58 pm


Full time in all our games:


FC Utrecht 3 - 1 ADO Den Haag
Utrecht go a goal down, but pull back to win the game following the sending off of ADO den Haag's goalkeeper, Robert Zwinkels.

Vitesse 4 - 1 Ajax
Ajax have now lost three of their last four games.

Feijenoord 0 - 0 Groningen
De Graafschap 2 - 2 FC Twente
FC Volendam 3 - 5 PSV
Jack Tuyp and Ola Toivonen get sent off, leaving each side with ten men.




Jack Tuyp was sent off only about one minute after his entrance as a substitute... Way to go, Jack! ::)
Quite remarkably, Volendam pulled back to 2-all after going two goals down within 26 minutes of play. PSV's fifth goal was scored from an offside position, but that didn't really matter anymore.
Ajax didn't only lose the game, but their heads as well, and any title aspirations that may have been lingering. This could be the end of Marco van Basten.
You missed a red card for Feyenoord's Norichio Nieveld, who was sent off after a gross charge on Koen van de Laak. The Groningen player was lucky to escape without injury.
FC Twente drop two valuable points in the race for the championship. AZ are now 11 points clear. Done and dusted...?


And today's only Eerste Divisie result:


SV Stormvogels Telstar 0 - 0 HFC Haarlem




FC VVV are leading the table, 13 points clear of #2 RKC Waalwijk. Champagne at the ready in Venlo...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/08/09 at 3:33 pm

Thanks for the note on the red card Henk. As you say, hopefully that's the title one step closer.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/10/09 at 6:15 pm

The two Eerste Divisie matches scheduled for yesterday were postponed. Therefore I'm guessing we won't have any more action until Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/11/09 at 4:11 pm

Tonight's friendly against Tunisia finished in a 1-1 draw, Klaas-Jan Huntelaar opening the scoring for the Netherlands after coming on at half time, and some fella named Jamelle Saihi equalized for Tunisia.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/11/09 at 4:33 pm


Tonight's friendly against Tunisia finished in a 1-1 draw, Klaas-Jan Huntelaar opening the scoring for the Netherlands after coming on at half time, and some fella named Jamelle Saihi equalized for Tunisia.


I've only watched the first 45 minutes of the game. Wish I hadn't, 'cause it was very disappointing and annoying. I don't know what Bert van Marwijk told the boys before the game, but I'm quite sure it didn't include the words "football", "attack", "speed" or "offense" in any shape or form. Pathetic! 8-P

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/11/09 at 4:37 pm

Tell me about it. I've not watched most of the England/Spain game, I come to the TV and find out we're 1-0 down. Something's gone wrong here.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/12/09 at 6:55 pm

Today's Friday fixture in the Eredivisie is for my boys Willem II, just one win in their last ten games, against FC Utrecht, seventh place and undefeated in six.

Otherwise, four fixtures on Saturday, including AZ against fourth-placed PSV, three wins from their last three games.

Four fixtures on Sunday, bottom-of-table Volendam face second-placed FC Twente - undefeated in the Eredivisie since November 9. Remind me who they were playing that day, Henk? *grin*

Since February 23rd, 2008's draw against the very same, AZ, Twente went undefeated for seventeen Eredivisie games, until a loss away at Utrecht on October 5th. Twente's last two games of the campaign are, conveniently, against AZ and Ajax. Hopefully AZ will have wrapped up the title by then, though.

A bit of crazy statwork - though we're going far into the depths of last season here - Volendam won all of their final eight fixtures in last season's Eerste Divisie, and went undefeated in seventeen between October 12, 2007 and February 22, 2008. If only they could have carried that over into the Eredivisie.

In the Eerste Divisie we have ten matches, VVV with a potential banana-skin against Cambuur. RKC, who last week it was confirmed will go an entire calendar year without a home defeat in the Eerste Divisie - face BV Veendam.

And to finish, our occasional Hoffeinheim-watch. Leading by one point over second-placed Bayern Munich, they remain one of four teams unbeaten at home - alongside Hamburg, VfL Wolfsburg, and Borussia Dortmund, who have won just three, and drawn the other seven, of their ten home games so far this season. Wolfsburg, despite having won eight out of nine at home, have not won a league game away from home this season. Between September 20th and November 18th, 1997, they lost five successive away games by the exact same scoreline - 2-1.

*cough* Back to Holland.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/13/09 at 7:10 pm

Yesterday's results:

Eredivisie

Willem II 0 - 2 Utrecht

Eerste Divisie

BV Veendam 0 - 2 RKC Waalwijk
Dordrecht '90 2 -  1 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Excelsior 1 - 1 MVV Maastricht
FC Den Bosch 3 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar
FC Omniworld 0 - 2 Top/Oss
FC Zwolle 0 - 2 RBC Roosendaal
Fortuna Sittard 0 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles
Haarlem FC 2 - 1 FC Eindhoven
Helmond Sport 3 - 1 FC Emmen VV
VVV 1 - 2 Cambuur Leeuwarden


Willem II lose their Eredivisie match, VVV fall to their second defeat in four matches. Excelsior secure their fourth draw in the last five games, and thus sacrifice third place to Cambuur.

It's as if I knew what was going to happen before it happened.

Four games in the Eredivisie today.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/15/09 at 4:17 am

Forgot to report on yesterday's results, but, here we go:


ADO Den Haag 1 - 0 De Graafschap
PSV 2 - 2 AZ
Twente 2 - 1 Volendam
Volendam had gone ahead in the sixth minute, but went down to ten men shortly afterwards.

NAC 1 - 0 Roda JC

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/15/09 at 1:29 pm

Today's results:


Ajax 2 - 0 Feijenoord
Feijenoord lose Dwight Tiendalli in the 82nd minute

NEC 1 - 1 Heerenveen
Sparta 0 - 0 Vitesse
Groningen 2 - 0 Heracles


Next week, one match on Friday, four matches on Saturday, and four matches on Sunday.

In the Eerste Divisie, next week sees two matches on Tuesday, one match on Thursday, and the remaining seven matches on Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/17/09 at 7:54 pm

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie game:


Cambuur Leeuwarden 1 - 2 FC Zwolle


One match coming up on Thursday, the other nine on Friday.

Completely passed me by on Friday, but TOP/Oss's victory against FC Onmiworld was their first victory away from home this campaign.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/19/09 at 3:47 pm

UEFA Cup results:

Wednesday:
N.E.C. Nijmegen - HSV Hamburg 0 - 3

...which makes the second leg kinda superfluous. :-\\


Thursday:
Fiorentina - Ajax 0 - 1
Olympique Marseille - FC Twente 0 - 1

Two surprise victories. There is still hope. :)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/20/09 at 4:02 pm

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie result:


Fortuna Sittard 1 - 0 FC Den Bosch

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/20/09 at 4:26 pm

Today's Eerste Divisie results:


AGOVV Apeldoorn 4 - 1 BV Veendam
FC Eindhoven 1 - 1 MVV Maastricht
Go Ahead Eagles 1 - 1 Excelsior
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 0 FC Omniworld
Dordrecht '90 1 - 0 Helmond Sport
Haarlem FC 0 - 2 RKC Waalwijk
TOP/Oss 4 - 2 VVV
FC Emmen VV 1 - 0 FC Zwolle
RBC Roosendaal 1 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar


So... That's three losses in the last five games for VVV - despite this, they still lead the table by seven points with eleven games remaining. RKC lead the form table with four wins and two losses from their last six games. Excelsior, meanwhile, have five draws from their last six in the Eerste Divisie, having exited the KNVB Beker last month at the hands of Volendam.

Next Eerste Divisie match is on Tuesday, BV Veendam and FC Omniworld face off, both have three losses from their last three games.

Elsewhere, Rijnsburgse Boys are still undefeated in this year's Hoofdklasse Saturday A, despite having to beat off a stern challenge from sixth-placed ASWH three games ago.

Westlandia regain the top spot in Hoofdklasse Sunday A, having won their first match in five against Elinkwijk last weekend. Bizarrely, every team in the bottom seven of Westlandia's division have lost their most recent match.

Similarly, HSC lead Hoofdklasse Sunday C having won just once in their last six games.

Just two more weeks until the KNVB Beker quarter finals. Volendam and Roda, two real relegation candidates in this year's Eredivisie, face off in one match, Roda having squeezed past Hoofdklasse opponents in their most recent match.

Back to normality - four Eredivisie games tomorrow, including Willem II, with the worst last-six form in the league, away at Heerenveen, and AZ, unsurprisingly top of the league on last-six form, against Heracles, who coincidentally are second-bottom in the same table.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/21/09 at 2:37 am

There was one Eredivisie game on Friday..

Vitesse Arnhem - Roda JC  3 - 0

Vitesse have finally picked up the pace, while Roda are facing more and more problems.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/21/09 at 8:02 pm

Saturday's results:


Heerenveen 3 - 1 Willem II
Willem II now the only team with five defeats in their last five games.

ADO den Haag 1 - 1 NAC
Heracles 0 - 2 AZ
Two goals from El Hamdaoui, including one in the 94th minute

Groningen 0 - 1 PSV
The only goal in the game came in the 93rd minute.



Today, four games - including Ajax, one win in their last five, against bottom side Volendam, also one win in their last five. Let's not mention who that game was against...

Next week in the Eerste Divisie, one game on Tuesday, nine games on Friday, one game on Saturday. Second plays third on Friday as RKC Waalwijk play host to Cambuur. TOP/Oss can get their fifth win from their last five games with a victory against one-win-in-five MVV on Friday.

Also undefeated in their last five, seventeenth-placed Dordrecht.

Elsewhere, undefeated Hoofdklasse Saturday A team can make it fifteen wins from seventeen with a win at second-from-bottom ARC, who will be playing their first match for three weeks, having achieved in their most recent game their first points in eleven fixtures.

Five Eerste Klasse teams remain undefeated this season, with Sunday A team FC Chabab having won all fourteen of this season's games so far.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/22/09 at 1:23 pm

Today's results from the Eredivisie:


FC Utrecht 0 - 2 NEC
De Graafschap 0 - 2 Feijenoord
Sparta 1 - 2 FC Twente
Ajax 2 - 1 Volendam

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/24/09 at 6:43 pm

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie results:


BV Veendam 0 - 2 FC Omniworld


Omniworld's first away league victory since April 4th last year.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/25/09 at 6:06 am

A sad day in the history of Dutch amateur soccer last Saturday, when legendary football club Türkyemspor ceased to exist.
The club, only formed in 1987, won the championship of Sunday Hoofdklasse A in 2003, 2004 and 2006, as well as the national Sunday Amateur Championship in 2003 and 2006, and the KNVB Cup for Amateur teams in 2007.

Sadly, in 2007 the founder and moneylender of the club, Nedim Imaç, was shot, after which the club got into severe financial problems. This ultimately lead to the bankruptcy of the club.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/25/09 at 7:08 pm

Always a shame when a club who rely on a single individual, much like Gretna, are forced to go out of business on the basis of money problems. They say so many of the Scottish lower-league teams are going in the same way, that if it weren't for a single individual bringing in a trickle of money to the club, that club would soon cease to exist. And to be frank, the qualify of Scottish football is about as bad as you can get...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/26/09 at 4:37 pm

UEFA Cup results:

HSV Hamburg - N.E.C. Nijmegen  1 - 0 (aggregate: 4 - 0)
N.E.C. didn't really stand a chance of making the next round to begin with, and it was all over after a 9th minute goal by Olic. Still, I think they deserved an equalizer, hitting the goal post twice.

FC Twente - Olympique Marseille  0 - 1 (aggregate: 1 - 1) (after extra time) (Marseille win 7 to 6 on penalties)
Marseille were the better team, especially in the first half.

Ajax - Fiorentina  1 - 1 (aggregate: 2 - 1)
The Italians took the lead in the 62nd minute, but it was "super sub" Leonardo who scored a late equalizer (87th minute) thus helping Ajax to the next round. Ajax were definitely not the better team of the two, but who cares?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/26/09 at 6:51 pm

Thanks for the updates Henk. Definitely bad news for two of the teams, though if Ajax can go through and play less well than they are capable, this is presumably good news.

Today, nine Eerste Divisie matches and one Eredivisie match. Dordrecht, undefeated in six Eerste Divisie matches, can hand VVV their third consecutive defeat tonight. Waalwijk, meanwhile, have seven points to make up, and eight matches in which to do it. Possible? Maybe with VVV in this kind of form!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/27/09 at 4:32 pm

Today's match:


PSV 2 - 3 Heerenveen
Heerenveen go 1 - 0 up, go down 2 - 1, and then haul it back to win 2 - 3 thanks to a 91st minute penalty.



Four games tomorrow, Willem II look for just their second win in thirteen games, against Heracles. Shock of all shocks, we have just been passed in the table by Feijenoord!

I reckon AZ could probably go the rest of the season undefeated, which would mean that the only two games they lost in the entire season were their first two.

And the Eerste Divisie:


FC Den Bosch 0 - 2 HFC Haarlem
Excelsior 3 - 2 FC Eindhoven
MVV Maastricht 1 - 1 TOP/Oss
FC Omniworld 4 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
FC Emmen VV 1 - 0 RBC Roosendaal
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 1 SC Cambuur Leeuwarden
FC Zwolle 3 - 2 BV Veendam
VVV 1 - 1 FC Dordrecht
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 0 AGOVV Apeldoorn


Tomorrow, the remaining fixture, Helmond Sport v. Go Ahead Eagles.

Henk Vos remains in the Eerste Divisie, at the age of 40. The striker, who has played not just in the Netherlands, but also in Belgium and France, began his career in the 1984-85 season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 02/28/09 at 4:29 pm


Four games tomorrow, Willem II look for just their second win in thirteen games, against Heracles. Shock of all shocks, we have just been passed in the table by Feijenoord!


Well, it wasn't to be... Another defeat (sixth in a row) for Willem II (0 - 3 against Heracles), who now have scored only four points from their last 13 games.
To make matters worse, Frank Demouge suffered a knee injury and was left behind in the dressing room at half time.


I reckon AZ could probably go the rest of the season undefeated, which would mean that the only two games they lost in the entire season were their first two.


They could very well manage to do so... With today's 3 to 0 victory over FC Groningen, they're heading in the right direction.
Other results:

NAC Breda - Sparta        3-1 
Roda JC - De Graafschap 3-1


Which means the gap between Roda JC (in 16th place) and De Graafschap (in 17th place) is now 4 points.
De Graafschap coach Henk van Stee has been given the sack last Wednesday, but apparently this has had no effect whatsoever.



Tomorrow, the remaining fixture, Helmond Sport v. Go Ahead Eagles.


And that game ended in a one-all draw.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 02/28/09 at 9:52 pm

Thanks for the update Henk - I fell asleep early last night and caught none of the action.

I missed the news on De Graafschap's coach, thanks for filling me in.

Four matches today. For the fourth time in four consecutive games, Volendam could lift themselves off the bottom with a win against today's opponents NEC, though they themselves have a lot to go for, as a win today could put them in the final UEFA Cup Playoff spot - at least for the time being.

A win for Twente would see them move to within nine points of AZ, but this season pretty much looks done and dusted by now.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/01/09 at 12:43 pm

Today's results:


Utrecht 0 - 2 Ajax
Feijenoord 2 - 2 Vitesse
Twente 1 - 0 ADO den Haag
Volendam 1 - 1 NEC


Next week, one game on Friday, three games on Saturday, five games on Sunday. Volendam move to within a point of being out of the automatic relegation place, and have picked up four points in their last five games compared to De Graafschap's one.

Next week in the Eerste Divisie, ten games, including VVV, without a win in three but still at the top of the table, away at second-to-bottom BV Veendam, just two wins in their last seventeen games.

FC Den Bosch have four losses from their last five games, and are away at FC Eindhoven.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/01/09 at 2:17 pm


Volendam 1 - 1 NEC


Thanks to a late equalizer (3 minutes into stoppage time!) by Milano Koenders, N.E.C. Nijmegen got more than they deserved.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/03/09 at 7:21 pm

This week, one match on Friday, three matches on Saturday, five matches on Sunday. Volendam are a point away from potential safety, after last week's draw against NEC, and have a better goal difference in comparison with second-from-bottom De Graafschap.

AZ, meanwhile, face NEC on Saturday, and while AZ are looking to further cement their position at the top of the table, NEC have a lot to play for too, as they are just one point away from the UEFA Cup Play-off places.

Ten matches in the Eerste Divisie on Friday, VVV desperately need to score their first victory in four games, against a BV Veendam side who have won two in seventeen. Veendam have won two of the last ten games between the teams.

Rijnsbergse Boys can go for their sixteenth victory from eighteen games in this season's Hoofdklasse Saturday A, as they face eighth placed FC Lisse.

Eerste Klasse Saturday E side ACV suffered their first defeat of the season last week, having been relegated from Hoofdklasse Saturday C last season.

FC Chabab dropped their first points of the season on Sunday, having gone 14 games, 14 wins since the beginning of the season.

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That's all the league stuff, but we have the KNVB Beker to deal with too, as we see the first two quarter finals today and the second two tomorrow. I wanna back Volendam in the race of the two Eerste Divisie strugglers, but you never know what's going to happen in a match like that.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/04/09 at 3:44 pm


That's all the league stuff, but we have the KNVB Beker to deal with too, as we see the first two quarter finals today and the second two tomorrow. I wanna back Volendam in the race of the two Eerste Divisie strugglers, but you never know what's going to happen in a match like that.


Two games tonight:

FC Twente - De Graafschap  1 - 0 (after extra time).

Boy oh boy, what a poor performance by FC Twente. I was almost starting to root for De Graafschap to end all misery... But a late goal credited to Marko Arnautovic, literally in the last seconds of the stoppage time of the extra time, bursted De Graafschap's bubble.


sc Heerenveen - N.E.C. Nijmegen 3 - 1

This one just ended. Late in the first half, Nijmegen took the lead by a wonderful goal by Lasse Schöne, but their lead was shortlived. Right from the kick-off, it was Paulo Henrique who scored an amazingly beautiful equalizer.
With just under 15 minutes left in the second half, two goals from Patrik Ingelsten and Victor Elm (only three minutes apart) sealed N.E.C.'s fate.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/04/09 at 3:57 pm


Two games tonight:

FC Twente - De Graafschap  1 - 0 (after extra time).

Boy oh boy, what a poor performance by FC Twente. I was almost starting to root for De Graafschap to end all misery... But a late goal credited to Marko Arnautovic, literally in the last seconds of the stoppage time of the extra time, bursted De Graafschap's bubble.


sc Heerenveen - N.E.C. Nijmegen 3 - 1

This one just ended. Late in the first half, Nijmegen took the lead by a wonderful goal by Lasse Schöne, but their lead was shortlived. Right from the kick-off, it was Paulo Henrique who scored an amazingly beautiful equalizer.
With just under 15 minutes left in the second half, two goals from Patrik Ingelsten and Victor Elm (only three minutes apart) sealed N.E.C.'s fate.


Thanks for covering these games, Henk. FC Twente through by the skin of their teeth..?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/04/09 at 4:14 pm


Thanks for covering these games, Henk. FC Twente through by the skin of their teeth..?


Definitely. I really don't know what they were thinking, taking the game into extra time and very nearly to penalties. One might think, after their game against Olympique Marseille... ::) McClaren will be pleased it didn't get to that.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/04/09 at 7:00 pm

Tomorrow, Willem II once again get the Friday fixture, as they attempt to get just their third away win of the season at the thirteenth attempt. Every Eredivisie team has at least one away win this season, bottom side Volendam's coming at, yes, Willem II. What is happening to us?

Today, meanwhile, sees the two remaining KNVB-Beker quarterfinals, Roda v. Volendam, a real relegation dogfight (if such a thing ever exists in the Cup) and AZ, still, of course, unbeaten in 23 in the league, against UEFA Cup chasing side NAC, who beat Groningen 7 - 6 on penalties in the last round.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/05/09 at 3:57 pm

Tonight's KNVB-Beker results:


Roda JC 2 - 3 FC Volendam (AET)
Melvin Platje scoring two goals, including the crucial game-winner.

AZ 1 - 2 NAC
Despite AZ going ahead at 13, two goals from NAC in the second half mean that AZ are out of the cup.



Tomorrow, Willem II have the Friday Eredivisie fixture, and can jump into twelfth place with a win against Sparta.

Our usual ten Eerste Divisie fixtures tomorrow, top-of-the-table VVV, without a win in three, are looking to reverse their fortunes against second-bottom BV Veendam. Sixteenth-placed FC Dordrecht are unbeaten in six, and can leapfrog both their opponents Fortuna Sittard, and, if results go their way, Stormvogels Telstar.

Having finished bottom of the table last season, HFC Haarlem are currently in sixth place and heading for the promotion play-offs. Things could get interesting.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/05/09 at 4:12 pm


Tonight's KNVB-Beker results:


Roda JC 2 - 3 FC Volendam (AET)
Melvin Platje scoring two goals, including the crucial game-winner.

AZ 1 - 2 NAC
Despite AZ going ahead at 13, two goals from NAC in the second half mean that AZ are out of the cup.




I missed both games - thanks for the update.

It would be interesting to see Volendam not only making the final, but winning it too, and relegate from Eredivisie at the same time. That would be a first, to my knowledge.


Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/05/09 at 7:05 pm


I missed both games - thanks for the update.

It would be interesting to see Volendam not only making the final, but winning it too, and relegate from Eredivisie at the same time. That would be a first, to my knowledge.


I too would like to see Volendam win the cup, partially for these reasons. If the winner of the KNVB-Beker goes into the UEFA Cup, would the same remain true if a team were in the Eerste Divisie? They had this argument about Cardiff City winning the FA Cup over here last season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/06/09 at 2:42 pm


I too would like to see Volendam win the cup, partially for these reasons. If the winner of the KNVB-Beker goes into the UEFA Cup, would the same remain true if a team were in the Eerste Divisie? They had this argument about Cardiff City winning the FA Cup over here last season.


I've found something rather interesting...It's already happened once in our history!

In 1962/1963 season, the winner of the KNVB Beker also relegated from Eredivisie. Still, the team were allowed to play Europacup II, where they met Manchester United (of all teams...) in the first round (home: 1 - 1, away: 6 - 1 defeat).

Guess which team I'm talking about... ::)









That's right: Willem II.



So the answer to the question is: even if the winning team was playing Eerste Divisie (or lower), they would be allowed to play UEFA Cup. Those are the rules, and we stick by them.

BTW: In the unlikely event of FC Twente winning the title and reaching the KNVB Beker Final (still a possibility!), the other finalist would be automatically assured of playing UEFA Cup, no matter what the result of the KNVB Beker Final would be.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/06/09 at 2:48 pm

That's awesome news, Henk, thanks for clarifying. And for it to have been Willem II of all teams.. quite a coincidence. :D

So it happened in the Netherlands 45 years before it even had the chance of happening over here! If only our bosses were quick enough on the draw to do something about it closer to the time.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/06/09 at 3:14 pm

Tonight's Eerste Divisie scores:


AGOVV Apeldoorn 1 - 1 FC Emmen VV
BV Veendam 1 - 2 VVV
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
FC Eindhoven 1 - 7 FC Den Bosch
FC Omniworld 1 - 2 MVV
Fortuna Sittard 0 - 0 Dordrecht '90
Fortuna Sittard finished with ten men after the sending off of Jurgen Heinrichs

Go Ahead Eagles 2 - 2 SC Stormvogels Telstar
Haarlem FC 1 - 3 Helmond Sport
RKC Waalwijk 1 - 0 FC Zwolle
Bram van Polen was shown a red card after 88 minutes.

TOP/Oss 3 - 1 Excelsior
Each side finished with ten men, Bart van Hintum for TOP/Oss and Erwin Mulder for Excelsior were both shown red cards.



The Eredivisie match is yet to be completed.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/06/09 at 4:49 pm


BV Veendam 1 - 2 VVV


Good to see VVV can still win...


FC Eindhoven 1 - 7 FC Den Bosch


Ouch! That must've hurt... Especially 'cause this was Brabant derby.


RKC Waalwijk 1 - 0 FC Zwolle
Bram van Polen was shown a red card after 88 minutes.



Bram van Polen playing with FC Zwolle, to fill in the details.

FC Zwolle coach Jan Everse has been dismissed earlier this week, after insulting a waiter at a club party when he and his wife weren't offered a snack (or something along those lines). Apparently, this wasn't his first offense, so Everse had to go.
Assistant coach Claus Boekweg is now in charge, but he has stated to be loyal to Everse and is only helping the team out temporarily.



The Eredivisie match is yet to be completed.


You mean...

Sparta Rotterdam - Willem II  0 - 1.. ::)

I'm guessing you're doing a little celebrating... ;)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/06/09 at 7:49 pm

I went to sleep before it finished, but I just caught news of the goal before I went to sleep. Thanks for filling me in, Henk.

Just two Eredivisie matches today. A further six take place on Sunday.

Helmond Sport have bounced up into sixth position in the Eerste Divisie table. Nine rounds of Eerste Divisie fixtures to go, followed by, I would assume, some promotion play-offs. Hopefully this season I will remember to cover the Nacompetitie results.

Unless Omniworld pull something out of the bag, it looks like they might become the first team since 1971 to be relegated from the Eerste Divisie. It was Omniworld themselves who were promoted to the Eerste Divisie in 2005.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/07/09 at 1:43 am


Helmond Sport have bounced up into sixth position in the Eerste Divisie table. Nine rounds of Eerste Divisie fixtures to go, followed by, I would assume, some promotion play-offs. Hopefully this season I will remember to cover the Nacompetitie results.


You've always got me for a backup. ;)


Unless Omniworld pull something out of the bag, it looks like they might become the first team since 1971 to be relegated from the Eerste Divisie. It was Omniworld themselves who were promoted to the Eerste Divisie in 2005.


No no - no relegation from Eerste Divisie at the end of this season, remember? That's been postponed until next season, so Omniworld got at least another year of Eerste Divisie ahead of them. Who knows - they might actually start playing better in the meantime. ::)

I still think the final curtain will fall for FC Eindhoven at the end of this season, though... :(

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/07/09 at 7:50 am

Sh*t, I'm still getting my seasons mixed up. Thanks for clarification, Henk. Now that we're in the new year, I'm fixed in 09-10 mode.

FC Eindhoven? Financial difficulties?

Anyway, I hope ESPN Soccernet will cover the Nacomptitie, I might just email them and ask at some point.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/07/09 at 3:33 pm

Today's results:


Hereenveen 2 - 1 FC Groningen
Groningen lost Martijn Meerdink in the 25th minute and Gonzalo Garcia-Garcia in the 75th.

De Graafschap 1 - 0 Heracles


Six Eredivisie matches tomorrow.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/08/09 at 1:31 am


Today's results:


Hereenveen 2 - 1 FC Groningen
Groningen lost Martijn Meerdink in the 25th minute and Gonzalo Garcia-Garcia in the 75th.


Both got sent off after receiving a second yellow, FTR. No discussion about the two yellows for Meerdink (in fact, he could've/should've been sent off earlier in the game), but the second yellow for Garcia...maybe a bit harsh.
And just like in the earlier competition match between the two teams, a goal in stoppage time left Groningen empty handed.


De Graafschap 1 - 0 Heracles


A well deserved victory for the Superboeren, which gives them some breathing space in their fight against Volendam for 18th place.



FC Eindhoven? Financial difficulties?



Very much so. I'm sure I've mentioned their problems before.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/08/09 at 1:11 pm


ADO Den Haag 1 - 1 Ajax
Volendam 1 - 0 Vitesse
NAC 1 - 2 Feijenoord
Roda JC 0 - 0 Utrecht
NEC 0 - 1 AZ
Twente 1 - 1 PSV


So, with second-in-table Twente only managing a draw today, AZ increase their lead at the top of the table to eleven points, with eight games remaining. The two meet up in AZ's penultimate match of the season, though to ensure that the game is of any meaning, Twente really have to hope that AZ slip up away from home against Ajax in the match prior to their meeting. The title could be wrapped up very soon.

Volendam were certainly unfortunate today - they win their first game of five in the Eredivisie, and second-bottom De Graafschap go and do the same.

Elsewhere, following their 3-1 victory yesterday, Rijnsbergse Boys retain an unbeaten record in this season's Hoofdklasse Saturday A. They are still to play a match against tenth-placed Noordwijk, postponed from January 31st.

In the Eredivisie, we are pretty much back to normal, with one game on Friday of next week, four games on Saturday, as Willem II attempt to make it an almost uncreditable TWO games unbeaten(!), and four games on Sunday, including AZ away at UEFA Cup-chasing Utrecht.

Next week, we have nine Eerste Divisie fixtures on Friday 13 and one on Saturday. top-of-the-table VVV face Helmond Sport, and with positions 5-10 in the Eerste Divisie being so close, almost any of those teams could wind up in the promotion play-offs.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/08/09 at 3:35 pm



ADO Den Haag 1 - 1 Ajax
Volendam 1 - 0 Vitesse
NAC 1 - 2 Feijenoord
Roda JC 0 - 0 Utrecht
NEC 0 - 1 AZ
Twente 1 - 1 PSV


So, with second-in-table Twente only managing a draw today, AZ increase their lead at the top of the table to eleven points, with eight games remaining. The two meet up in AZ's penultimate match of the season, though to ensure that the game is of any meaning, Twente really have to hope that AZ slip up away from home against Ajax in the match prior to their meeting. The title could be wrapped up very soon.


Twente were lucky Ajax also slipped up, which means the gap between the two remains the same. I think the title race is run, though.


Volendam were certainly unfortunate today - they win their first game of five in the Eredivisie, and second-bottom De Graafschap go and do the same.


The same goes the other way round: De Graafschap must've felt safe, after winning their game - but then Volendam do just the same!
I think the two teams have to face each other once more for the competition, but I'm not sure when. That game might just turn out to be all decisive...



Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/08/09 at 6:52 pm

De Graafschap v. Volendam is on the last day of the regular season, May 10th. Talk about a six-pointer...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/09/09 at 2:41 pm


De Graafschap v. Volendam is on the last day of the regular season, May 10th. Talk about a six-pointer...


Thanks. :) It might be there's nothing left to play for for either side by then, but then again...if the gap is still only one point...what a finale!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/12/09 at 5:42 pm

Somehow amongst all the North American sport chat this thread has sunk slightly. Nevertheless, one Eredivisie match tomorrow, and nine Eerste Divisie matches. Tomorrow's Eredivisie match features Groningen, who have lost each of their last three fixtures, but are still in sixth place, and Roda JC.

Willem II will be going for two wins in a row on Saturday as they face Twente.

The remaining Eerste Divisie match takes place on Saturday. BV Veendam have six losses from their last six games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/13/09 at 8:19 pm

Yesterday's results:

Eredivisie

FC Groningen 2 - 0 Roda JC

Eerste Divisie

AGOVV Apeldoorn 1 - 0 Fortuna Sittard
Dordrecht '90 0 - 1 Excelsior
FC Den Bosch 1 - 0 Go Ahead Eagles
FC Eindhoven 1 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
FC Zwolle 3 - 1 FC Omniworld
MVV Maastricht 3 - 0 Haarlem FC
RBC Roosendaal 3 - 2 TOP/Oss
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 1 Cambuur Leeuwarden
VVV 2 - 0 Helmond Sport


Four matches today. Willem II face Twente. That one probably won't turn out as well as I want.

Roda JC remain in the relegation play-offs with yesterday's win, but they will be unlikely to lose ground over 15th-placed Sparta, who face in-form Heerenveen today.

AZ's game is on Sunday, they'll be hoping for a win against a Utrecht side fighting for a place in the Uefa Cup but without a win in three games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/14/09 at 9:37 pm

Yesterday's results:


Vitesse Arnhem 0 - 3 NAC
Heerenveen 5 - 1 Sparta
Sparta finished the game with just nine men on the pitch.

Willem II 0 - 2 Twente
Heracles 1 - 1 Volendam
I guess Volendam thought they had the away victory sewn up, but Heracles equalized in the 88th minute.



Four matches today. Feijenoord take on PSV, AZ face Utrecht.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/15/09 at 2:03 am


Yesterday's results:

Vitesse Arnhem 0 - 3 NAC


Vitesse seemed to be on the way up, but have lost their last two games.


Heerenveen 5 - 1 Sparta
Sparta finished the game with just nine men on the pitch.


..and they still managed to score (3 - 1). Heerenveen weren't playing their best, that's for sure.


Willem II 0 - 2 Twente


Yes, well...what can I say?  :-\\


Heracles 1 - 1 Volendam
I guess Volendam thought they had the away victory sewn up, but Heracles equalized in the 88th minute.


Heracles more than deserved the equalizer, no discussion about that. I think Volendam have had only one chance in the entire second half of the game...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/15/09 at 5:51 am

Twente are on a great run of form, I expected nothing less from that result than yet another home defeat. Situation is such that these days I struggle to remember who's even in charge of us any more. That's seven home defeats in the last eight home games for us, including a somewhat demoralizing defeat by Volendam.

Looking back over our season, it's amazing to think that two of our victories have come against Feijenoord and Ajax.

AZ have got Heerenveen on the last day of the season. While it will be by no means a decider, if Twente slip up between now and then, it could mean qualification for the Champions league for a Heerenveen side which finished in fifth place, rallying with a last-day victory over relegated Excelsior.

This kind of form for Willem II, the word "relegation" scares the crap outta me, but it's something which has to be thought about.

Feijenoord v. PSV today. And to think several times in the past that's probably been a title decider.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/15/09 at 5:03 pm

Today's Eredivisie results:


Feijenoord 1 - 0 PSV
Ajax 3 - 0 De Graafschap
ADO Den Haag 3 - 0 NEC
FC Utrecht 0 - 1 AZ


So, all three of the top three teams have four wins and a draw from their last five. PSV, meanwhile, have dropped to fifth, thanks to Heerenveen's win over Sparta.

FC Utrecht are looking precarious in the last UEFA Cup play-off spot, thuogh with NEC in ninth performing no better, it may be up to Feijenoord to make that last run of form.

Though hopefully they don't start that run of form next week, when they face AZ at home.

Volendam, meanwhile, are yet to lose this month, and with yesterday's draw against Heracles, lift themselves off the bottom.

Meanwhile, Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, who scored 34 goals last season in 33 games, has, if my stats are right, 6 goals from 10 games for both Ajax and Real Madrid this season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/15/09 at 5:17 pm


Today's Eredivisie results:


Feijenoord 1 - 0 PSV
Ajax 3 - 0 De Graafschap
ADO Den Haag 3 - 0 NEC
FC Utrecht 0 - 1 AZ



With 25 consecutive league games without a loss (and counting...), AZ have set a new club record.



Volendam, meanwhile, are yet to lose this month, and with yesterday's draw against Heracles, lift themselves off the bottom.



Finally! :D They've been in last place since round 2 of this season. But of course, it's still very close...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/15/09 at 5:22 pm


With 25 consecutive league games without a loss (and counting...), AZ have set a new club record.


Didn't know that. I haven't really been following for more than two seasons, but you know 2006-07? Says here that AZ had a final-day loss to Excelsior, does that mean they would have won the Eredivisie that year had they have won that match? On that final day, PSV beat Vitesse, and Ajax beat... mumble mumble.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/15/09 at 5:44 pm


Didn't know that. I haven't really been following for more than two seasons, but you know 2006-07? Says here that AZ had a final-day loss to Excelsior, does that mean they would have won the Eredivisie that year had they have won that match? On that final day, PSV beat Vitesse, and Ajax beat... mumble mumble.


They would've, unless either Ajax or PSV would've thrashed their respective opponents.
After 33 rounds of play, the three teams were tied, the only difference being their goal balances: AZ +53, Ajax +47 and PSV +46.
With AZ losing, they could only hope the other two teams would also lose - but that didn't happen.
Ajax won 0 to 2, thus improving their goal balance to +49, but PSV won 5 to 1, which meant they became the new champions on goal difference (+50).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/15/09 at 8:19 pm

Gotcha. I thought as much. Pretty close race then.

Nice to see, also, that with Volendam and De Graafschap now with identical win-draw-loss records, that these last seven games will be a straight knock-out.

In April, Volendam must face Heerenveen twice within two weeks, first in the Eredivisie, second in the KNVB Beker. As for NAC, despite their seventh place in the league, and despite who they beat in the last roud of the competition, they have only won four Eredivisie games since Christmas, and, between November 22 and February 7, won just one game in eleven. Anything is possible.

RKC drew with VVV earlier in this Eerste Divisie season, and with just one defeat this season, I wonder how the corresponding fixture, on April 3, is going to turn out. Time will tell.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/16/09 at 5:34 pm

There's some new developments on the promotion/relegation issue (promotion to/relegation from Eerste Divisie, that is).

Turns out it won't be introduced until 2010/2011 season - so it's been postponed again. I totally missed this.
The 2010/2011 season will also see the introduction of two "Topklasse" divisions of 16 teams each in amateur football: one for Saturday teams, and one for Sunday teams. Under that, there will be six "Hoofdklasse" divisions, with 14 teams each. Mixing the Saturday and Sunday teams proved impossible at this stage.
The overall champion of the Topklasse has the right to promote to Eerste Divisie, but if the team don't want to, the losing finalist gets to promote.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/16/09 at 8:11 pm

Thanks for the update Henk. Postponed the issue for another season to save having to deal with it, hey?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/19/09 at 11:03 pm

Today, one game in the Eredivisie, De Graafschap, who are now at the bottom of the Eredivisie after Volendam's draw at Heracles, face Heerenveen, who can make it five wins in five matches if they are victorious.

Saturday sees three Eredivisie games, and it would make a nice birthday treat for me if Willem II could get a victory away from home against NEC, who haven't won in their last three fixtures.

Sunday sees five games, including AZ v. Feijenoord, and, if I may stick my neck out, a potential upset in favour of Volendam if FC Utrecht don't improve on where they've been over their last four matches.

In the Eerste Divisie, nine games this evening, and one on Sunday morning.

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, with 30 games gone, that means we have our sixth periodekampion winners: with TOP/Oss, currently in eleventh place, having the best record over their last six games, of 4 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss, including three home wins out of three against Fortuna Sittard, VVV, and Excelsior.

I hope that's all correct. Meanwhile, the KNVB-Beker semi-finals are happening on Tuesday April 21 and Wednesday April 22. The cruel mastermind in me wishes for a NAC-Volendam final, but for both underdogs to win would be too much to ask for. Volendam went out of last year's competition in the second round (their first match), against Sparta. So did Willem II, but that's something we don't wanna talk about.. :D To go from a first-game exit to winners of the competition in two years... would be quite an achievement.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/20/09 at 8:29 pm

Yesterday's results:

Eredivisie

De Graafschap 2 - 0 Heerenveen

Eerste Divisie

SC Stormvogels Telstar 0 - 1 Dordrecht '90
FC Omniworld 2 - 0 FC Eindhoven
Eindhoven lost Pieter-Jan van Oudenhowe in the 42nd minute

BV Veendam 0 - 0 Haarlem FC
Fortuna Sittard 0 - 1 VVV
Helmond Sport 0 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
Go Ahead Eagles 0 - 1 FC Emmen VV
Excelsior 0 - 2 FC Zwolle
RKC Waalwijk 2 - 0 MVV Maastricht
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 2 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Two goals in the last five minutes rescued the game for AGOVV.



Three Eredivisie games today.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/21/09 at 3:52 am


Yesterday's results:

Eredivisie

De Graafschap 2 - 0 Heerenveen



Quite upsetting, that result... On the other hand, De Graafschap had already won their away match against Feyenoord earlier this season, so Heerenveen should've been warned.
Now it's up to Volendam and Roda JC to settle the score.


Eerste Divisie

SC Stormvogels Telstar 0 - 1 Dordrecht '90
FC Omniworld 2 - 0 FC Eindhoven
Eindhoven lost Pieter-Jan van Oudenhowe in the 42nd minute

BV Veendam 0 - 0 Haarlem FC
Fortuna Sittard 0 - 1 VVV
Helmond Sport 0 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
Go Ahead Eagles 0 - 1 FC Emmen VV
Excelsior 0 - 2 FC Zwolle
RKC Waalwijk 2 - 0 MVV Maastricht
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 2 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Two goals in the last five minutes rescued the game for AGOVV.




I must admit I'm not keeping a close watch on Eerste Divisie... But it's good to see VVV winning again. Looks like they're gonna be back in Eredivisie next season (of course, they only just relegated after 2007/2008 season). And if they do, I hope they can survive for more than one season this time...It's been a long time since their good years (1961, 1987, 1988).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/21/09 at 4:31 am


I must admit I'm not keeping a close watch on Eerste Divisie... But it's good to see VVV winning again. Looks like they're gonna be back in Eredivisie next season (of course, they only just relegated after 2007/2008 season). And if they do, I hope they can survive for more than one season this time...It's been a long time since their good years (1961, 1987, 1988).


The race has been very interesting - I've been watching it quite closely since focusing on it in this thread - RKC have played this season very much like last where they've gone almost half the season with almost no defeats - but far too many draws. If even half of those draws could be turned into victories, they would be leading the table.

Omniworld, still bottom of the table, do have three wins from their last five games, but if, as you say, it all may be immaterial after this season is over...

VVV have now won three on the spin - and Sandra Calabro remains the Eerste Divisie's top scorer.

As for the Eredivisie, Willem II are away from home this evening, and Volendam face FC Utrecht on Sunday. And thinking ahead slightly, after their defeat in their last fixture against De Graafschap, it would be nice for Volendam if Heerenveen could go into a rotten run of form right about now before they face each other on April 22.

Elsewhere, Rijnsbergse Boys of H. Saturday A need to last only until April 12 before they have gone a whole calendar year without a defeat in the Hoofdklasse. They are still to play a game against Noordwijk held over from January 31, but otherwise only have to face Heerjansdam and Capelle - ironically the bottom, and second-top sides, respectively.

Three matches today, including Willem II away from home. No prizes for guessing how I think that's gonna turn out!

Meanwhile - I realize there are Dutch connections to the country and everything - but I never realized that Suriname name their top two divisions the Hoofdklasse and the Eerste Klasse. They also have an Eerste Klasse side named PSV - who are unfortunately bottom of the table and without a win in their seventeen matches this season!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/21/09 at 4:59 am


Meanwhile - I realize there are Dutch connections to the country and everything - but I never realized that Suriname name their top two divisions the Hoofdklasse and the Eerste Klasse.


Oh man, football in Suriname... ;D :D Have you ever seen those pitches? ::) And when I say "pitches", I really mean "pitch", because as far as I know, there's just about one more or less playable pitch in the entire country.


They also have an Eerste Klasse side named PSV - who are unfortunately bottom of the table and without a win in their seventeen matches this season!


Make that 18... :(


Interestingly, they also have a woman's teams competition. Winner of the 2008 competiton was Oema Soso, with 12 wins from 12 games, 53 goals scored and only 2 conceded. :o And yet, the 2008 top scorer did not come from this team... :P

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/21/09 at 5:18 am


Oh man, football in Suriname... ;D :D Have you ever seen those pitches? ::) And when I say "pitches", I really mean "pitch", because as far as I know, there's just about one more or less playable pitch in the entire country.


Beautiful stuff. I must admit I'm unaware.


Interestingly, they also have a woman's teams competition. Winner of the 2008 competiton was Oema Soso, with 12 wins from 12 games, 53 goals scored and only 2 conceded. :o And yet, the 2008 top scorer did not come from this team... :P


Does that say 53 scored and only TWO goals conceded all season?! That's some going!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/21/09 at 5:40 am


Beautiful stuff. I must admit I'm unaware.


There's just no money to keep the pitches in order.


Does that say 53 scored and only TWO goals conceded all season?! That's some going!


That's what it says, yes. Season = only 12 games, though.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/21/09 at 8:38 pm

Yesterday's results:


NEC 0 - 0 Willem II
PSV 2 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem
Sparta Rotterdam 1 - 0 Heracles

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/22/09 at 1:49 am


Yesterday's results:


NEC 0 - 0 Willem II
PSV 2 - 0 Vitesse Arnhem
Sparta Rotterdam 1 - 0 Heracles




Sadly no icing on the cake for you... :(

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/22/09 at 8:28 pm

Yesterday's Eredivisie results:


Roda JC 2 - 0 ADO Den Haag
FC Twente 2 - 1 Groningen
NAC 0 - 3 Ajax
AZ 0 - 0 Feijenoord
Volendam 0 - 0 Utrecht


Alas, in spite of being unbeaten in their last four fixtures, Volendam are still bottom of the table.

And the one Eerste Divisie result from yesterday:


FC Den Bosch 2 - 1 TOP Oss


Meaning that FC Den Bosch have now won all of their last three games.

This upcoming week in the Eredivisie: one match on Friday, four matches on Saturday and four matches on Sunday. Utrecht, no win in five and in the last of the UEFA Cup Playoff places, face Groningen, with just one win in their last five games and sixth in the table.

And in the Eerste Divisie, nine matches on Friday, and one match on Sunday. VVV face MVV, who, despite a loss against RKC in their last match, look set for a Top 9 finish with any luck.

Seven games left in the Eerste Divisie regular season, and six games left in the Eredivisie. None of the bottom four teams lost their fixtures this week - with three obtaining victories.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/23/09 at 2:24 pm


Yesterday's Eredivisie results:


Roda JC 2 - 0 ADO Den Haag
FC Twente 2 - 1 Groningen
NAC 0 - 3 Ajax
AZ 0 - 0 Feijenoord
Volendam 0 - 0 Utrecht


Alas, in spite of being unbeaten in their last four fixtures, Volendam are still bottom of the table.


Or, more accurately: they're back at the bottom of the table. They weren't bottom last week. ;)

AZ weren't able to score this round. Last time that happened was on September 13, 2008 (round 2 of this season, when they lost 3 to 0 against ADO Den Haag. Hard to imagine that happening now...)

On a sidenote: only 13 goals scored this round - a new low for this season. The all-time low still standing at 12, though.


This upcoming week in the Eredivisie: one match on Friday, four matches on Saturday and four matches on Sunday. Utrecht, no win in five and in the last of the UEFA Cup Playoff places, face Groningen, with just one win in their last five games and sixth in the table.


I don't think there's gonna be any Eredivisie action coming weekend... We've got a qualifier match for the WC 2010 against Scotland next Saturday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/23/09 at 8:24 pm


I don't think there's gonna be any Eredivisie action coming weekend... We've got a qualifier match for the WC 2010 against Scotland next Saturday.


Yep, you're right, sorry, I was thinking a week in advance. Next Eredivisie games on April 3, 4, and 5. Still a whole bunch of Eerste Divisie games on Friday 27 though (and one on Sunday 29).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/27/09 at 8:57 pm

Yesterday's Eerste Divisie results:


RBC Roosendaal 2 - 3 FC Dordrecht
TOP/Oss 2 - 3 BV Veendam
FC Eindhoven 2 - 4 Fortuna Sittard
MVV Maastricht 2 - 0 VVV
SC Cambuur Leeuwarden 1 - 1 Excelsior
RKC Waalwijk 3 - 0 Helmond Sport
FC Zwolle 1 - 0 FC Den Bosch
HFC Haarlem 2 - 1 FC Omniworld
FC Emmen VV 0 - 2 Stormvogels Telstar


The first loss in five for VVV, having gone through a bad patch of form last month. RKC close the gap at the top of the table to just six points, but have still drawn more games than they have won.

Cambuur, in third, have drawn four out of their last five games, and two teams, tenth-placed Go Ahead Eagles and eighteenth-placed FC Eindhoven, have failed to win in their last five.

RKC remain the only team without a home loss, and have just two home games left to maintain this record, against Telstar and RBC. I don't see either of these teams inflicting a shock upon them.

Helmond Sport are in the last of the promotion play-off places, just a point ahead of the Go Ahead Eagles.

Meanwhile in the Hoofdklasse, Rijnsbergse Boys can get their seventh consecutive victory by beating bottom side Heerjansdam today. The team are still unbeaten in this year's Hoofdklasse Saturday A.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/28/09 at 4:37 am


The first loss in five for VVV, having gone through a bad patch of form last month. RKC close the gap at the top of the table to just six points, but have still drawn more games than they have won.


In their defence: they've also drawn more games than they've lost. ;D Sixteen draws out of 32 games...it's quite an achievement.

And so, with six rounds of play left, everything is possible again.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/28/09 at 7:22 am

Places 9 - 11, those within a chance of fighting for the crucial last promotion play-off spot, look just as murky as ever, with just three points separating Helmond Sport, Go Ahead Eagles, and RBC Roosendaal, but with each team having lost their most recent game.

How many games are there in the last Eerste Divisie period? Every period so far has consisted of six games, but that means there will be two games left over at the end of the season.. and last year is of no help because they did not award the sixth period on account of the fact that neither the first or second placed teams were eligible to qualify for that last spot.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/28/09 at 7:22 pm

Yesterday's qualifying match against Scotland finished 3 - 0 in favour of the Dutch, with goals from Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Robin van Persie and Dirk Kuijt. Referee Laurent Duhamel disallowed a Gary Caldwell header in the 74th minute for Scotland.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/29/09 at 1:09 am


Yesterday's qualifying match against Scotland finished 3 - 0 in favour of the Dutch, with goals from Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Robin van Persie and Dirk Kuijt. Referee Laurent Duhamel disallowed a Gary Caldwell header in the 74th minute for Scotland.


...for no apparent reason, but the Scots didn't even bother to complain. :-\\

Things are going smoothly for us, with four wins from four games. We're now 8 points ahead of both Scotland and Iceland (the latter whom we still have to face).
Next game is this Wednesday, against the FYR of Macedonia.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/29/09 at 1:13 am


Next game is this Wednesday, against the FYR of Macedonia.


..who rather shamefully beat Scotland back in September last year.

One Eerste Divisie match this afternoon.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/29/09 at 10:01 am

Today's Eerste Divisie result:


AGOVV Apeldoorn 1 - 5 Go Ahead Eagles
Joost Terol was sent off for AGOVV in the 33rd minute. The goalkeeper?!



Well I guess that would account for the heavy home defeat. Apeldoorn are in thirteenth place in the table, and have lost six of their last seven away games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/29/09 at 3:41 pm

According to the website, between next Friday, April 3, and the close of the regular season six weeks later, every Eerste Divisie match is scheduled for Fridays. RKC's next match, meanwhile, is against top-of-the-table VVV. The gap can be lessened to as little as four points if the second-placed team are victorious in this match.

Meanwhile the last day of the season may see top face bottom if VVV and Omniworld are still occupying their current positions by Friday, May 8. Let's see.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 03/29/09 at 3:58 pm


Places 9 - 11, those within a chance of fighting for the crucial last promotion play-off spot, look just as murky as ever, with just three points separating Helmond Sport, Go Ahead Eagles, and RBC Roosendaal, but with each team having lost their most recent game.

How many games are there in the last Eerste Divisie period? Every period so far has consisted of six games, but that means there will be two games left over at the end of the season.. and last year is of no help because they did not award the sixth period on account of the fact that neither the first or second placed teams were eligible to qualify for that last spot.


According to my information, there are also 6 rounds of games in the last (6th) period.



Today's Eerste Divisie result:


AGOVV Apeldoorn 1 - 5 Go Ahead Eagles
Joost Terol was sent off for AGOVV in the 33rd minute. The goalkeeper?!



Well I guess that would account for the heavy home defeat. Apeldoorn are in thirteenth place in the table, and have lost six of their last seven away games.


Not only was Joost Terol sent off, his foul also meant a penalty for Go Ahead Eagles, leading to the 3rd goal for the guests.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 03/29/09 at 4:04 pm

Thanks for the info Henk. That means that the Go Ahead Eagles slot into ninth place, the final one of the promotion playoff places. Their next fixture is against sixth-placed HFC Haarlem.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/01/09 at 4:41 pm

WC Qualifier result:

Netherlands - FYR of Macedonia  4 - 0

Goals from Kuyt (twice), Huntelaar and Van der Vaart.
We're on a roll. 8) Five wins from five games - we've never ever started this well in any EC or WC qualifying round. This means we're virtually "there" (i.e. South Africa). Remaining games for us:

June 6: Iceland (away)
June 10: Norway (home)
September 9: Scotland (away).

And to think I openly doubted our qualification... :-Poland - San Marino  10 - 0. Now there's a result you don't get to see much these days... ::)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/01/09 at 8:31 pm

I was going to mention the Poland result, it's not often ten goals go into the net. :D

I was wondering and now I found out - Andy Selva is still playing for San Marino, as well as the Serie B side Sassuolo Calcio. Selva is pretty much the only San Marino player to achieve club success for anyone outside the San Marino national team.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/02/09 at 3:30 pm

Back on the subject of Dutch Eredivisie/Eerste Divisie:

The merger of Roda JC and Fortuna Sittard has been approved by all parties involved. The new merger team Sporting Limburg will be effective as from the start of next season. I suppose they'll start out in Eerste Divisie, but I'm not sure.
By 2013, the team hope to be somewhere between places 7 and 12 in Eredivisie, and maintain that position in future years. Not very ambitious, if you ask me. :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/02/09 at 3:31 pm

Would that therefore leave a space in the Eerste Divisie for a new team? Would be interesting to see who applies for the vacant spot.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/02/09 at 3:39 pm


Would that therefore leave a space in the Eerste Divisie for a new team? Would be interesting to see who applies for the vacant spot.


Interesting point, but I don't think the vacant spot will be filled. Not at this point, anyway - maybe in 2011, when relegation from Eerste Divisie will finally be effective.
Besides, KNVB has been trying for years to decrease the number of teams in Ere- and Eerste Divisie.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/02/09 at 3:55 pm

Not really covered this week's games yet, we have one game tomorrow, four games on Saturday, and four games on Sunday. None of the bottom four teams lost their game last week - Sparta, Roda, De Graafschap and Volendam occupy the bottom four places, Sparta, Roda, and De Graafschap all won their games without conceding a single goal.

Willem II's next match is against NAC, and it would be nice to see us inflict upon them their third defeat in four fixtures - our top scorer, meanwhile, has contributed 13 of our 29 goals this season.

Volendam, despite being at the bottom of the table, could conceivably go five games unbeaten if they fail to lose their next game. Which would be quite surreal.

Our usual quota of ten Eerste Divisie games, and crunch-time at the top of the table as VVV and RKC face off. With RKC still having been defeated just once this season, if they can reduce the gap at the top to just four points, it'll make VVV somewhat sweatier going into the final run. Cambuur are in third, and with no defeats in their last five matches, but only one victory, will be looking to further cement their position in the table with a win against similarly promotion playoff-bound FC Den Bosch.

Helmond Sport, with three defeats from their last three games, face bottom-of-the-table-(and-still-possibly-going-out-of-business?) FC Omniworld, as TOP/Oss face FC Emmen, both of whom are in a similar situation to Helmond and Omniworld respectively.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/02/09 at 3:56 pm


Interesting point, but I don't think the vacant spot will be filled. Not at this point, anyway - maybe in 2011, when relegation from Eerste Divisie will finally be effective.


Meaning that the division will remain at 19 teams? That's a peculiar number..

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/02/09 at 4:04 pm


Meaning that the division will remain at 19 teams? That's a peculiar number..


We've had odd numbers before, if memory serves. It just means one team has the week off.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/02/09 at 4:12 pm

Just speeding through some old stats, I just noticed that NEC, who were relegated from the Eredivisie in 1982-83, played in the Cup Winners Cup the following season - if I've read that correctly. 1989-90 apparently saw an incident where Ajax were excluded from the European Cup.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/03/09 at 3:58 pm


Our usual quota of ten Eerste Divisie games, and crunch-time at the top of the table as VVV and RKC face off. With RKC still having been defeated just once this season, if they can reduce the gap at the top to just four points, it'll make VVV somewhat sweatier going into the final run.


Well, the game ended in a goalless draw. That didn't help RKC much (other than raise their already impressive score of draws this season...)

From what I've seen (second half only) neither team deserved to win, and neither team would stand a chance in Eredivisie.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/03/09 at 4:40 pm

Yes indeed. They still have a lot to play for though in terms of getting a psychological advantage going into the promotion play-offs. Today's results:

Eredivisie

NEC 1 - 1 FC Twente

Eerste Divisie

AGOVV Apeldoorn 3 - 1 FC Eindhoven
FC Den Bosch 1 - 2 Cambuur Leeuwarden
FC Dordrecht 4 - 0 HFC Haarlem
FC Emmen VV 4 - 4 TOP/Oss
FC Emmen went three goals down, before pulling it back to 3 - 3. The final two goals in the match appear to have been scored within a minute of each other.

Fortuna Sittard 1 - 2 BV Veendam
Go Ahead Eagles 0 - 0 MVV Maastricht
Helmond Sport 1 - 0 FC Omniworld
RBC Roosendaal 1 - 2 Excelsior
SC Stormvogels Telstar 0 - 2 FC Zwolle
VVV 0 - 0 RKC Waalwijk


Two losses from their last two games for seventh-placed FC Den Bosch, the playoff positions look no clearer this evening than they did this morning. BV Veendam win their second consecutive game, moving them to eighteenth in the table and above FC Eindhoven.

All ten Eerste Divisie games next Friday - as we're now down to our final five rounds of the season.

Heerenveen have three more Eredivisie games until they face Volendam in the semi-final of the KNVB Beker - and losing to De Graafschap is probably the most demoralizing thing they could have done two weeks ago...

AZ have only had three goals scored against them at home in the league this season - two against NAC in their first home game, and the other eleven games later against Willem II. AZ's final three fixtures in the Eredivisie this season are against Ajax, FC Twente, and Heerenveen, who presumably by accident rather than design currently occupy places 3, 2 and 4 in the Eredivisie.

Mounir El Hamdaoui remains the Eredivisie's top scorer.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/04/09 at 9:40 pm

Forgot to update this last night, but here are Saturday's results:


FC Utrecht 0 - 1 Groningen
Heracles 1 - 1 Heerenveen
AZ 4 - 1 ADO Den Haag
And that in spite of being 0 - 1 down at half time.

Sparta 0 - 2 PSV


Today, all of the bottom three teams are playing - and I wouldn't have thought at the start of the season that I would be saying that Volendam's game, against none other than Feijenoord, looks to be the least predictable of the three! (Relatively speaking).

De Graafschap can inflict upon Vitesse their fourth consecutive defeat if they are victorious today - one of those Vitesse defeats came against Volendam.

Next week, all ten Eerste Divisie fixtures on Friday. In the Eredivisie, AZ get the Friday fixture, away at NAC - having been defeated by them at home in the KNVB-Beker one month ago today. Hopefully the tables will turn in the league. Otherwise, AZ just have to make sure they get good results in their last three fixtures.

TOP/Oss have just two away games left to improve to improve on their current tally of just a single away victory so far this season - against bottom side FC Omniworld.

Meanwhile in the Hoofdklasse, what's this I see? Rijnsbergse Boys of Saturday A have suffered their first and only defeat of the campaign so far - against second-placed side Capelle, who have now gone ten games unbeaten in the league.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/05/09 at 10:36 am

What was that I said about Feijenoord? :D Today's results are in:


Roda JC 1 - 2 Ajax
Volendam 2 - 1 Feijenoord
Vitesse 0 - 0 De Graafschap
Willem II 2 - 0 NAC


Elsewhere, SV Argon beat FC Omniworld Amateurs to go top of Hoofdklasse Sunday A, on goals scored.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/05/09 at 4:27 pm


What was that I said about Feijenoord? :D Today's results are in:


Roda JC 1 - 2 Ajax
Volendam 2 - 1 Feijenoord
Vitesse 0 - 0 De Graafschap
Willem II 2 - 0 NAC




Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a win...? ::) That proved hard enough, even with NAC Breda reduced to nine players.


Volendam managed to win their game, in spite of going 0 to 1 down in the 10th minute of the game (due to a blunder by goalie Verhoeven).
Footage of the equalizer by Dominique van Dijk is going to be rare, because some smartazz in the stadium pulled the main plug when trying to fix the score board...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/05/09 at 4:32 pm

I know it's far-fetched, but we're only seven points away from a UEFA Cup Play-off spot, and we have a better last-five record than the teams in seventh (NAC), eighth (Utrecht), and ninth place (NEC). In an ideal world, I'd beg 'em to win all their remaining fixtures, but hey, this is Willem II we're talking about!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/05/09 at 4:44 pm


I know it's far-fetched, but we're only seven points away from a UEFA Cup Play-off spot, and we have a better last-five record than the teams in seventh (NAC), eighth (Utrecht), and ninth place (NEC). In an ideal world, I'd beg 'em to win all their remaining fixtures, but hey, this is Willem II we're talking about!


True, but (slightly more worrying) also only 8 points clear from direct relegation. With only five rounds of play left, it can still go either way for your team.

Volendam have (once again) left the bottom spot, that's now (again) being held by De Graafschap. Roda JC are in 16th place, with only one point more than the bottom two.
At the top of the table, AZ are (again) 11 points clear from #2, FC Twente, who in turn are just one point ahead of Ajax in 3rd.
If AZ win their next game, and both Twente and Ajax fail to win, AZ can become the new champions next weekend.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/05/09 at 4:52 pm


True, but (slightly more worrying) also only 8 points clear from direct relegation. With only five rounds of play left, it can still go either way for your team.


I like to look on the positive side of things! Especially as there aren't many positives going on around the Willem II camp now.

Thanks for the update with regard to how the title may shape up. Of course, the Dutch regular season is only 34 games long, I'm not used to seasons which are slightly shorter than the Premiership season. I'm hoping for good things for AZ for their last three games, against the other teams in the top 4.

This Eredivisie season has been very exciting, especially given AZ's rise to the top after their slightly troubled start. It would be nice to see AZ crowned champions next weekend - though Twente will be looking to bag three points against Roda, and Ajax against *gulp* Willem II. Come on boys!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/08/09 at 2:59 pm


Back on the subject of Dutch Eredivisie/Eerste Divisie:

The merger of Roda JC and Fortuna Sittard has been approved by all parties involved. The new merger team Sporting Limburg will be effective as from the start of next season. I suppose they'll start out in Eerste Divisie, but I'm not sure.
By 2013, the team hope to be somewhere between places 7 and 12 in Eredivisie, and maintain that position in future years. Not very ambitious, if you ask me. :-\\


Update:

Not so sure if there's going to be a merger anymore... The province of Limburg has withdrawn their promise to subsidize Sporting Limburg with € 6,5 mln (approx. 8,660,000 USD) now that it has become clear that the debts of Fortuna Sittard have not been (fully) settled.
Whether there's gonna be a merger or not: this looks like the end for Fortuna Sittard.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/08/09 at 9:01 pm

Haven't really covered this coming week's games yet - NAC and AZ face off in the Friday fixture, the former having lost each of their last two games and clinging onto their UEFA Cup place only thanks to the similarly awful form of ninth-placed NEC.

Volendam face Heerenveen on Sunday, and it's the latter who are on a shakier run of form, with just a single point from their last two fixtures. With PSV having a much superior goal difference to Heerenveen, it would be kinda sweet to see Volendam scupper Heerenveen's chances and for PSV to win against Utrecht to bounce up into the second UEFA Cup spot.

No win from the last two games for Eerste Divisie top side VVV. However, they face FC Den Bosch in their next match, who have two defeats from their last two games. Ten games tomorrow, including a game with potentially intriguing consequences between Cambuur and Helmond Sport - so long as tenth-placed Go Ahead Eagles can also avoid defeat, against second-bottom side FC Eindhoven.

Elsewhere, Hoofdklasse Saturday C side SC Genenmuiden, who currently are 12th out of 14 teams, have the second best last-six record in the league, with four victories in their last four games. A home victory against Excelsior 31 will see them build further upon their 6 - 0 victory against bottom side CVV Oranje Nassau last Saturday.

And just two weeks to go until the KNVB-Beker semi-finals. Anything can still happen!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/09/09 at 1:54 pm


Update:

Not so sure if there's going to be a merger anymore... The province of Limburg has withdrawn their promise to subsidize Sporting Limburg with € 6,5 mln (approx. 8,660,000 USD) now that it has become clear that the debts of Fortuna Sittard have not been (fully) settled.
Whether there's gonna be a merger or not: this looks like the end for Fortuna Sittard.


Latest news:

Merger is off. :o With the province of Limburg backing down, both Roda JC and Fortuna Sittard decided not to pursue a merger (much to the relief of the fans, no doubt).
This means both teams are once again facing (major) deficits on their budgets that have to be dealt with before June 1, 2009 in order to acquire a licence for the coming season. Apart from that, Roda JC are also fighting relegation. It looks like the beginning of the end for both teams, if you ask me. :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/10/09 at 4:15 pm

One result from tonight's Eredivisie:


NAC 0 - 1 AZ


Leaves NAC with three defeats from their last three games.

And tonight's Eerste Divisie results:


BV Veendam 0 - 4 FC Dordrecht
Cambuur Leeuwarden 2 - 0 Helmond Sport
Excelsior Rotterdam 0 - 2 FC Emmen VV
FC Omniworld 0 - 3 AGOVV Apeldoorn
FC Den Bosch 0 - 5 VVV
FC Eindhoven 1 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles
FC Zwolle 0 - 0 TOP/Oss
HFC Haarlem 2 - 0 Fortuna Sittard
MVV Maastricht 4 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
RKC Waalwijk 3 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar


FC Den Bosch have now got three loses from their last three games, and HFC Haarlem jump them and go into seventh place in the table. Crucially, Go Ahead Eagles jump into ninth place thanks to their point against FC Eindhoven.

The Eerste Divisie's bottom side FC Omniworld's only away victory this season has come against BV Veendam. They also beat Veendam at home in the corresponding fixture at home on August 22, just their third game of the season.

And I almost forgot to mention FC Dordrecht, who have four wins from their last four Eerste Divisie games, albeit three of those against teams lower than them in the table. I'm still interested to see what happens with the next Periodtitel - with 34 games gone so far, I'm assuming that's four wins from four in this period for Dordrecht. Where this lands the final two games of the campaign for each team still confuses me.

A few very peculiar fixtures over the next two days in the Eredivisie - second-top side FC Twente face third-bottom Roda JC, both of whom will be desperate for a victory - and for both of whom it could mean a heck of a lot with those extra three points at the end of the season.

FC Utrecht face PSV tomorrow - the latter of whom could capture the second UEFA Cup place with a victory. Feijenoord, so close and yet so far away from the playoffs, face the excruciatingly mid-table side Heracles, while Ajax can go four wins from four with a victory against *gulp* Willem II.

All ten Eerste Divisie fixtures kick off at 8pm next Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/11/09 at 6:52 pm

Yesterday's Eredivisie results:


De Graafschap 2 - 2 NEC
PSV 2 - 0 FC Utrecht
ADO Den Haag 1 - 2 Sparta Rotterdam
Twente 4 - 2 Roda JC


This afternoon, four matches. Volendam are six games unbeaten in all competitions, but are still at the bottom of the Eredivisie. Willem II could go for their second consecutive win this afternoon.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/12/09 at 1:33 am


Yesterday's Eredivisie results:


De Graafschap 2 - 2 NEC
PSV 2 - 0 FC Utrecht
ADO Den Haag 1 - 2 Sparta Rotterdam
Twente 4 - 2 Roda JC



FC Utrecht are now seven games in a row without a win, and without any goals. Worrying times...

Despite going one goal down, and despite losing Jerold Promes (red card), Sparta managed to turn the tables in the final minutes of the game, leaving ADO Den Haag in despair and disbelief.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/12/09 at 7:02 am

Indeed, and Utrecht are now out of the European places. I'm ever so worried about Ajax this afternoon. They'll probably put five past us.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/12/09 at 11:07 am

Ahem, did I say five?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/12/09 at 11:23 am

Today's results, as I'm actually laughing over our considerable misfortune, and my surprisingly generous estimates:


FC Groningen 2 - 3 Vitesse
Feijenoord 5 - 1 Heracles
Heerenveen 1 - 0 Volendam
Ajax 7 - 0 Willem II
Not only did we concede two goals more than I had predicted, but we had Angelo Martha sent off towards the end of the game.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/12/09 at 1:37 pm


Today's results, as I'm actually laughing over our considerable misfortune, and my surprisingly generous estimates:


Misfortune...?  ??? You were actually lucky to get away with only seven!

Reporter said in his commentary that Willem II's poor performance deserved a beating by at least ten goals to nothing - and reporters are supposed to be impartial! (So it must have been really, really bad)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/12/09 at 1:39 pm


Reporter said in his commentary that Willem II's poor performance deserved a beating by at least ten goals to nothing - and reporters are supposed to be impartial! (So it must have been really, really bad)


My brother phoned me as he saw the fifth goal going in on the new live updater, and he bet me we'd let in ten by the end of the game! So he wasn't all too confident either. :D If only I saw weekly Dutch football highlights any more, that would presumably be the result they would choose to feature, I would have loved to have seen the "missed opportunities" - by both sides, if any belonged to us!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/13/09 at 2:39 pm

Yowser, I only just noticed. Hoofdklasse Saturday A team Rijnsbergse Boys, while still only having lost once this season, are without a win in three, while second-placed Capelle have lost both of their most recent games.

Third-placed BVV Barendrecht, with five wins from their last five matches, face bottom side Heerjansdam in their next fixture - and could easily go top if Capelle's fixture against Katwijk doesn't go the way they wish it to.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/16/09 at 6:56 pm

This week in the Eredivisie, we have one game this evening, four games on Saturday, four games on Sunday. NAC have four losses in their last five games and are in seventh place in the table - there again, Groningen in sixth have three losses from their last four and ninth-placed FC Utrecht are without a win in seven.

In fact, FC Utrecht have not scored in their last seven Eredivisie games - 644 minutes in total since they last scored a goal, and that was in their 0 - 2 victory against... *mumble*

Ten games in the Eerste Divisie tonight. We're into our last four rounds of the regular season before the promotion play-offs. Top side VVV face FC Emmen VV, while RKC face off against promotion play-off bound Excelsior. Dordrecht '90 can make it five wins from five with a victory against bottom side FC Omniworld - while TOP/Oss hope to reverse their recent run of five games without a win against AGOVV Apeldoorn.

In the lower leagues, BVV Barendrecht of Hoofdklasse Saturday A can maintain their run of five consecutive victories, and possibly move above second-placed Capelle in the process, by beating bottom side Heerjansdam on Saturday. Top face bottom in Hoofdklasse B as IJsselmeervogels take on SV Geinoord, while in Saturday C, all of the bottom four teams, who won their games last week, get the chance to do so once again.

VV Gemert moved to the top of Hoofdklasse Sunday B last weekend, thanks to a win against Papendrecht, as previous leaders VV Baronie slipped up for the second time in three games.

With just four points separating the top five in Hoofdklasse Sunday C, all of the top five teams won their respective fixtures last week.

And of course, next week sees our KNVB-Beker semi-finals. Twente will be hoping for a victory against NAC, while Volendam will be hoping to spring a surprise on Heerenveen, and thus will be hoping for a victory on Saturday to give them some kind of following wind.

I think that's everything...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/17/09 at 3:42 pm

Tonight's results:

Eredivisie

Heracles 4 - 0 NAC

Eerste Divisie

BV Veendam 1 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar
Dordrecht '90 2 - 1 FC Omniworld
Excelsior 0 - 5 RKC Waalwijk
FC Zwolle 2 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
Haarlem FC 1 - 2 Go Ahead Eagles
Helmond Sport 3 - 0 FC Den Bosch
MVV 1 - 2 Cambuur Leeuwarden
RBC Roosendaal 1 - 2 FC Eindhoven
TOP/Oss 1 - 1 AGOVV Apeldoorn
VVV 4 - 0 FC Emmen VV


In other European news:

Macedonian club FC Pobeda were on Friday banned from UEFA competitions for eight years for match-fixing, the sport's European governing body announced.

The UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body added that the club president Aleksandar Zabrcanec and player Nikolce Zdraveski have also been banned for life as a result of the investigation.

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Seems quite a frightening punishment.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/17/09 at 4:02 pm


Tonight's results:

Eredivisie

Heracles 4 - 0 NAC



Well, that pretty much secures a place for Heracles in Eredivisie next season.


In other European news:

Macedonian club FC Pobeda were on Friday banned from UEFA competitions for eight years for match-fixing, the sport's European governing body announced.

The UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body added that the club president Aleksandar Zabrcanec and player Nikolce Zdraveski have also been banned for life as a result of the investigation.

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Seems quite a frightening punishment.


Question is: are/were FC Pobeda likely to qualify for UEFA competitions in the first place? ???

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/17/09 at 7:26 pm


Question is: are/were FC Pobeda likely to qualify for UEFA competitions in the first place? ???


Certainly not on recent years' form. They did, however, win the league in 2001-02 and 2003-04, so anything could happen - well not any more...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/18/09 at 4:52 pm

And tonight, the unthinkable happened: AZ lost their (home) game against Vitesse (1 - 2). :\'( After going 28 consecutive games unbeaten, this is only the 3rd defeat for AZ in this competition.
This means no championship for AZ (yet), and thus no celebrations (that were scheduled to take place this evening).

Second placed FC Twente also lost their away game against Feyenoord (1 - 0), so they're eliminated for the title.

Ajax (in third place) face PSV tomorrow. In case of a draw, or if PSV win, AZ are champions. In case of a win for Ajax, the race isn't run yet. And next week, it's Ajax v AZ...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/18/09 at 5:29 pm

I hadn't seen yet, Henk - but tonight's results seem interesting.  Here they are:


NEC 1 - 1 Roda JC
Feijenoord 1 - 0 Twente
Twente lost Douglas Franco and Chiek Tiote, while Feijenoord lost Giovanni van Bronckhorst.

De Graafschap 0 - 1 FC Groningen
AZ 1 - 2 Vitesse


Indeed, the first defeat, presumably, in 29 games, for AZ.

Tomorrow, Willem II face ADO den Haag, in a potentially(!) winnable fixture. PSV and Ajax go head-to-head in a juicy clash. Just working out the permutations.. if PSV win and Heerenveen lose, PSV could join Ajax in the UEFA Cup placings. Utrecht, meanwhile, need a good final few results to get into the top eight, which on recent form, doesn't look like happening.

Volendam may even seem safe if they win against fourteenth-placed Sparta, as they would jump two places to sixteenth. Two of their remaining four games are against Roda JC and De Graafschap, directly above them at the bottom of the table, and it would be somewhat sweet to see them take at least one of these victories, possibly pushing one or both of those teams into last place.

Interesting to note that two of the period winners in the Eerste Divisie are currently situated in 13th (TOP/Oss) and 16th (Telstar) positions. With knockout competitions the way they are, presumably this means that those lower teams will have just as much chance in the promotion play-offs as those in the lower positions.

Which if I've understood that right, means that the team finishing in second place (currently RKC) has as much of a chance of being promoted to the Eredivisie as the team (Telstar) who currently occupy sixteenth position. I may have read that wrong, as I so often tend to do, but that could be very interesting if I have that right.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/19/09 at 1:13 am


I hadn't seen yet, Henk - but tonight's results seem interesting.  Here they are:


NEC 1 - 1 Roda JC
Feijenoord 1 - 0 Twente
Twente lost Douglas Franco and Chiek Tiote, while Feijenoord lost Giovanni van Bronckhorst.

De Graafschap 0 - 1 FC Groningen
AZ 1 - 2 Vitesse


Indeed, the first defeat, presumably, in 29 games, for AZ.


I'm having déja-vu's of two years ago... AZ should've just bagged this one, now it's gonna be nail-biting till the end (again), with upcoming games against Ajax (gulp), FC Twente (oh dear) and sc Heerenveen.
Unless of course PSV do their job properly. They need the points as much as Ajax does.


Tomorrow, Willem II face ADO den Haag, in a potentially(!) winnable fixture. PSV and Ajax go head-to-head in a juicy clash. Just working out the permutations.. if PSV win and Heerenveen lose, PSV could join Ajax in the UEFA Cup placings. Utrecht, meanwhile, need a good final few results to get into the top eight, which on recent form, doesn't look like happening.


With both teams needing a win, I can see a draw coming up. Which would be a good thing for AZ.
With a win, FC Utrecht could jump into 7th place.


Volendam may even seem safe if they win against fourteenth-placed Sparta, as they would jump two places to sixteenth. Two of their remaining four games are against Roda JC and De Graafschap, directly above them at the bottom of the table, and it would be somewhat sweet to see them take at least one of these victories, possibly pushing one or both of those teams into last place.


Teams being as close (in points) as they are, it's still anybody's game. FC Volendam seem to have the "easier" program for their last fixtures, so who knows...

BTW: a big hand to the guy who worked out this competition schedule. There's still everything to play for at this stage, with direct rivals yet to face each other.


Interesting to note that two of the period winners in the Eerste Divisie are currently situated in 13th (TOP/Oss) and 16th (Telstar) positions. With knockout competitions the way they are, presumably this means that those lower teams will have just as much chance in the promotion play-offs as those in the lower positions.

Which if I've understood that right, means that the team finishing in second place (currenlty RKC) has as much of a chance of being promoted to the Eredivisie as the team (Telstar) who currently occupy sixteenth position. I may have read that wrong, as I so often tend to do, but that could be very interesting if I have that right.


You understand right. Telstar have as much chance as RKC to promote to Eredivisie (at least in theory). Of course, the boys from Velsen-Zuid have no business whatsoever in Eredivisie - that's why I'm not a big fan of this Periodekampioenschappen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/19/09 at 4:06 am


I'm having déja-vu's of two years ago... AZ should've just bagged this one, now it's gonna be nail-biting till the end (again), with upcoming games against Ajax (gulp), FC Twente (oh dear) and sc Heerenveen.
Unless of course PSV do their job properly. They need the points as much as Ajax does.


That's clearly either a stroke of genius or a stroke of idiocy, depending on how you view it.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/19/09 at 11:28 am

Today's games, including one eight-goaler.


Utrecht 2 - 1 Heerenveen
Volendam 3 - 0 Sparta
Willem II 3 - 3 ADO Den Haag
PSV 6 - 2 Ajax


Volendam's sixth home victory of the campaign pushes them two places up in the table to 16th.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/19/09 at 2:55 pm


That's clearly either a stroke of genius or a stroke of idiocy, depending on how you view it.


Either way, it don't matter anymore now...'cause PSV did more than just their job! They thrashed Ajax! :D


Today's games, including one eight-goaler.


Utrecht 2 - 1 Heerenveen
Volendam 3 - 0 Sparta
Willem II 3 - 3 ADO Den Haag
PSV 6 - 2 Ajax


Volendam's sixth home victory of the campaign pushes them two places up in the table to 16th.


This also means, of course, that AZ are champions after all. :) Their second title, after winning the 1980/1981 competition.
AZ are the only team not from traditional top 3 (Ajax, PSV, Feyenoord) to have won the title in the past 45 years.

Oh, and congrats to Willem II for securing a point in a match that seemed lost after going 0 to 3 down.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/19/09 at 3:47 pm

"It is the sixth league title for van Gaal, 57, after he steered Ajax to three victories and Barcelona to two."

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/20/09 at 1:57 pm

I just checked the stats. The top sides look really to be faltering over whatever line they don't wish to cross. Meanwhile, at the bottom, Volendam have Roda in their next fixture, meanwhile, ADO Den Haag have Feijenoord.

If Volendam defeat Roda, and fifteenth-place ADO Den Haag get defeated by Feijenoord, who of course beat second-placed Twente on Saturday, Volendam could even find themselves out of the relegation play-off places. As you say, kudos to whoever decided on this end-of-season schedule!

Just like last year, the final two rounds of the season both take place on Sunday, at 1:30 UK time. And we'll be glued to them until the very final whistle of the final game.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/20/09 at 2:26 pm


I just checked the stats. The top sides look really to be faltering over whatever line they don't wish to cross. Meanwhile, at the bottom, Volendam have Roda in their next fixture, meanwhile, ADO Den Haag have Feijenoord.

If Volendam defeat Roda, and fifteenth-place ADO Den Haag get defeated by Feijenoord, who of course beat second-placed Twente on Saturday, Volendam could even find themselves out of the relegation play-off places. As you say, kudos to whoever decided on this end-of-season schedule!


But before all that, it's time for the semi-finals of the KNVB Cup.

Tomorrow, FC Twente face NAC Breda, and on Wednesday it's FC Volendam v. sc Heerenveen.

Twente or NAC...? :-\\
Could go either way. Both teams still have everything to play for in competition too: Twente are clinging to that second place (Champions League preliminary round), and NAC are 8th place (UEFA Cup play-offs...but only just!). Winning the KNVB Cup would make things so much easier for NAC...  :-\\ Same goes for Twente, really (who still have a head-to-head clash with Ajax coming up on the final day of competition!). Both teams could end up empty handed when the dust has settled.
My guess: FC Twente (with nothing for NAC at the end of the season...just like last year).

Volendam or Heerenveen...?  :-\\
On a normal day in a normal year, that would be Heerenveen - hands down! But...Volendam are in a winning mood, and they've beaten Ajax.
It would be great to see them make the final. And they've nothing to lose, really.
Heerenveen on the other hand are currently in 5th position - just one place short of playing UEFA Cup next season. They still have a chance via play-offs, so not much to lose there. Then again...they too, might find themselves empty handed at the end of the season.
What will they be focusing on: the Cup (a sure and short way to UEFA Cup), or that all important 4th place in competition? I think the first, 'cause their competition program is rather difficult (with games against Twente, Den Haag and AZ remaining).
So, in short: it's gonna be sc Heerenveen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/20/09 at 2:30 pm

I didn't fancy making predictions for either of the KNVB Beker semi-finals to be honest, but you have done it for me! I am certain Twente will win the match against NAC, but for pride's sake, I really, really wanna see Volendam win their game against Heerenveen. Although, if Volendam do as I believe they might, and somehow haul themselves out of trouble, I guess saving themselves from relegation is much more important a task right now.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/20/09 at 3:10 pm


I didn't fancy making predictions for either of the KNVB Beker semi-finals to be honest, but you have done it for me! I am certain Twente will win the match against NAC, but for pride's sake, I really, really wanna see Volendam win their game against Heerenveen. Although, if Volendam do as I believe they might, and somehow haul themselves out of trouble, I guess saving themselves from relegation is much more important a task right now.


I think Volendam will indeed be focusing on preventing relegation, so my guess is they'll let Heerenveen do most of the work and go for the counter attack. If that works out, great - if it doesn't, nothing is lost.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/21/09 at 4:01 pm


Twente or NAC...? :-\\
Could go either way. Both teams still have everything to play for in competition too: Twente are clinging to that second place (Champions League preliminary round), and NAC are 8th place (UEFA Cup play-offs...but only just!). Winning the KNVB Cup would make things so much easier for NAC...  :-\\ Same goes for Twente, really (who still have a head-to-head clash with Ajax coming up on the final day of competition!). Both teams could end up empty handed when the dust has settled.
My guess: FC Twente (with nothing for NAC at the end of the season...just like last year).



And whaddayaknow...FC Twente win 3 to 1. :D

So I got that one right, though I was kinda expecting the game to go into extra time.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/21/09 at 4:03 pm

Today's KNVB-Beker result:


Twente 3 - 1 NAC
NAC were 0 - 1 up until the break, before three goals from Janssen, Denneboom, and the still regular scoring Blaise N'Kofu sealed it for Twente.



Tomorrow is the second semi-final. Volendam's next league match, having won two of their last three, is away against strugglers Roda.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/22/09 at 3:38 pm

Well, the dream is over for Volendam, as they lost 0 - 2 today in the KNVB Beker against Heerenveen. Elsewhere, Juve lost in the Coppa Italia to Lazio.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/22/09 at 3:43 pm


Well, the dream is over for Volendam, as they lost 0 - 2 today in the KNVB Beker against Heerenveen.


Exactly as I predicted. I hope you placed your bets right. ;)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/22/09 at 3:45 pm

I take it that would make today a normal day in a normal year, then. :D There's always next year for Volendam of course, and if they even manage to escape relegation, they can keep their heads held at least higher than Roda and De Graafschap.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/24/09 at 4:31 pm

Tonight's results:

Eredivisie

Sparta 0 - 0 De Graafschap
By no means enough to relieve the bottom side of that position in the table. With just three games to go, mathematically it could still go eitherway, but it's looking less likely to go De Graafschap's way after tonight's result.


Eerste Divisie

AGOVV Apeldorn 2 - 0 RBC Roosendaal
Dordrecht '90 1 - 0 Cambuur Leeuwardwen
FC Eindhoven 2 - 0 FC Zwolle
FC Emmen VV 0 - 1 FC Den Bosch
FC Omniworld 1 - 1 Excelsior
Fortuna Sittard 2 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
Just their second defeat of the season. RKC just have one more game, against RBC, to maintain an unbeaten home record, however.

Go Ahead Eagles 2 - 1 BV Veendam
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 2 MVV Maastricht
TOP/Oss 1 - 2 Helmond Sport
VVV 1 - 0 Haarlem FC


Four matches in the Eredivisie tomorrow. Roda and Volendam face off in a crucial basement clash. Either team could climb out of the relegation playoff places with a victory. Which means it'll probably be a draw.

NEC and NAC face off, NEC have drawn all their last four fixtures, while NAC have lost all of their last four - and now look to be only very gingerly holding on to a top eight placing.

Heracles face a PSV side who have won each of their last four fixtures, their most recent against an Ajax side who face AZ on Sunday. First plays third, with each of the top three having lost thier most recent fixture.

Twelfth-placed Hoofdklasse Saturday A side Maassluis have five losses from their last five fixtures, but face eleventh-placed SVV Scheveningen tomorrow, a team who, rather dauntingly, have won each of their last three games, scoring four goals in two of them.

Hoofdklasse Saturday B side IJsselmeervogels face GVVV tomorrow, and have just three games to maintain a record of just one loss in this campaign.

Harkemase Boys moved ahead of HHC Hardenburg in Hoofdklasse Saturday C on Tuesday thanks to a midweek win in Saturday C, and still have a game in hand over the second-placed team, who face bottom side CVV Oranje Nassau tomorrow afternoon.

RKVV's victory over seventh-placed HVV moved them to the top of Hoofdklasse Sunday A last weekend, while SV Argon handed ADO 20 their fifth consecutive draw in the competition.

Hoofdklasse Sunday B's top two sides, Gemert and Baronie, face off this weekend, and if Baronie are victorious, they will rise to the top of the division.

None of the top four sides in Hoofdklasse Sunday C has actually lost a game in their last five, with WKE bagging a victory against Quick 20 in their last fixture.

In the Eerste Klasse, SV Urk's only two losses of the season have come within their last three games, with one of these losses coming at second placed ACV, who have won each of their last four games.

The top two teams in Eerste Klasse Sunday D, UDI 19 and Blauw Geel 38, each have five wins from their last five fixtures - Blauw Geel are in second place with a game in hand.

SV Juliana, of Eerste Klasse Sunday E, have five wins from their last five matches, while bottom side Avanti Wilskracht have lost all of their last eight games - and their only two victories of the campaign came in the two games immediately before the extensive winter break.

Nieuw Buinen lead Eerste Klasse Sunday F, though SVBO are six points behind in second place with two games in hand.

Thus ends.. whatever it was I started.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/24/09 at 4:47 pm


Tonight's results:

Eredivisie

Sparta 0 - 0 De Graafschap
By no means enough to relieve the bottom side of that position in the table. With just three games to go, mathematically it could still go eitherway, but it's looking less likely to go De Graafschap's way after tonight's result.


Eerste Divisie

AGOVV Apeldorn 2 - 0 RBC Roosendaal
Dordrecht '90 1 - 0 Cambuur Leeuwardwen
FC Eindhoven 2 - 0 FC Zwolle
FC Emmen VV 0 - 1 FC Den Bosch
FC Omniworld 1 - 1 Excelsior
Fortuna Sittard 2 - 1 RKC Waalwijk
Just their second defeat of the season. RKC just have one more game, against RBC, to maintain an unbeaten home record, however.

Go Ahead Eagles 2 - 1 BV Veendam
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 2 MVV Maastricht
TOP/Oss 1 - 2 Helmond Sport
VVV 1 - 0 Haarlem FC




I had to check to make 100% sure, but these results mean that VVV Venlo are now champions of Eerste Divisie. They'll be playing Eredivisie next season (once again). See if they can do better than last time... ::)

Also, FC Dordrecht have snatched the 6th Periodetitel, with 6 wins from their last six games. Other Periodekampioenen are RKC Waalwijk, Cambuur Leeuwarden, FC Zwolle, Excelsior, TOP Oss and Stormvogels Telstar. There's still one place going for promotion/relegation play-offs, which will be taken by the team that ends in 5th place in Eerste Divisie. Currently, that's MVV, but Go Ahead Eagles and Helmond Sport also still have a chance.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/24/09 at 4:54 pm

I do hope VVV stay up this time around.. :)

Great result for Dordrecht, and thus some very unexpected Periodetitel winners in themselves, TOP/Oss and Telstar. I'm not sure unexpected victories in the playoffs count as "giant killings" as such, but it would be nice to see the teams currently placed 11th, 13th and 16th make a decent show of themselves in the matches they will still have to face at the end of the season.

Congratulations to VVV for their Eerste Divisie victory!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/25/09 at 6:56 pm

Yesterday's results:


Roda JC 1  - 1 Volendam
Heerenveen 1 - 1 Twente
NEC 2 - 3 NAC
Heracles 0 - 2 PSV


Roda were just seven minutes away from climbing out of the relegation playoff places. Today, Ajax and AZ face off, and AZ will be looking to avoid a second consecutive defeat against the team in second place in the table - though of course now the result is effectively meaningless.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/26/09 at 2:24 am


Yesterday's results:


Roda JC 1  - 1 Volendam
Heerenveen 1 - 1 Twente
NEC 2 - 3 NAC
Heracles 0 - 2 PSV



If ever a team did NOT deserve to win, it was NAC Breda. Everyone involved (and that included players and coach of NAC) agreed on that.
But still, the result stands and it's three points in the bag for NAC.



Roda were just seven minutes away from climbing out of the relegation playoff places.


Ah, but these draws just keep things exciting till the end! :D


Today, Ajax and AZ face off, and AZ will be looking to avoid a second consecutive defeat against the team in second place in the table - though of course now the result is effectively meaningless.


Maybe meaningless to AZ, but not to Ajax or Twente. ;) And may I remind you that FC Twente (not Ajax) are still in second place at the moment..? ::)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/26/09 at 5:37 am


Maybe meaningless to AZ, but not to Ajax or Twente. ;) And may I remind you that FC Twente (not Ajax) are still in second place at the moment..? ::)


Ah, you're right. So much for the stupid new "live tables" ESPN have got. I can't make out a single detail on 'em any more. ;D

Ajax and AZ face off today, and while the title is decided, both will be looking for a victory to counterbalance last week's losses. ADO Den Haag, meanwhile, are perilously close to the relegation playoff places, and have failed to win their last four games. They face a Feijenoord team which have won their last two games.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/26/09 at 12:31 pm

Today's Eredivisie results:


ADO Den Haag 2 - 3 Feijenoord
All five goals in the second half - with Feijenoord coming from a goal down thanks to two goals from Jon Dahl Thomasson

Vitesse Arnhem 6 - 1 FC Utrecht
Six of the seven of the game's goals came in the second half.

FC Groningen 0 - 0 Willem II
Groningen finished with ten men thanks to the 89th minute sending off of Gibril Sankoh

Ajax 1 - 1 AZ
Despite AZ going into the lead, they lost Stijn Schars in the 57th minute, saw Ajax miss and score a penalty, both courtesy of Luis Suarez.



This maintains Ajax's record of just a single home defeat this season - and so long as they avoid defeat in their final home fixture, they can improve on their tally of 39 points from 18 home games last season.

Meanwhile, ADO Den Haag failed to relieve any of the pressure placed upon themselves, and they still lie a single position above the relegation playoff places. Volendam's penultimate fixture is Groningen at home. If they can get something.. something from this match.. what with Groningen's record of just five wins from 16 away fixtures this campaign.. maybe they can escape relegation worries.

However, with Roda facing Willem II of all teams next Sunday.. I don't wanna predict what's gonna happen there. We can be erratic at the best of times.

Next week in the Eerste Divisie, RKC can ensure a second-placed finish, and an unbeaten season at home.

SVV Scheveningen of H. Saturday A can go for five wins from five games next week, though they face ASWH, who are unbeaten in eight. As can top-of-the-table H. Saturday C side Harkemase Boys, who face third-from-bottom VV Staphorst next week.

Sunday C side HSC 12 dropped their first points in six games today, losing to Quick 20, who gain a place thanks to FC Lienden's loss against top side WKE.

Third-placed Eerste Klasse Saturday E side GSVV lost their fourth consecutive game yesterday, while the team directly below them, Noordsceschut won their fourth consecutive game. SV Urk remain in first place in that division, though they have lost one more game (2) than ACV in second, who have five consecutive league victories.

FC Chabab, who still top Eerste Klasse Sunday A, today lost just their second game of the season, while second-placed De Zouaven picked up their fifth consecutive victory.

Sunday E side SV Juliana picked up their fifth consecutive victory today, beating Rigtersbleek, who are now seven games without a win.

And that's everything of worthy note that has happened today. All nine Eredivisie fixtures next week take place at the same time on Sunday, as they do on May 10.

And the final week of Eerste Divisie fixtures guarantees a top v. bottom clash as VVV take on Omniworld. All of next week's ten fixtures take place on Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 04/26/09 at 3:50 pm


Today's Eredivisie results:

ADO Den Haag 2 - 3 Feijenoord
All five goals in the second half - with Feijenoord coming from a goal down thanks to two goals from Jon Dahl Thomasson


The winning goal was scored by Roy Makaay in his 500th Eredivisie match.


Vitesse Arnhem 6 - 1 FC Utrecht
Six of the seven of the game's goals came in the second half.


So maybe last week's victory over Heerenveen was just a twitch from FC Utrecht...? :-\\


FC Groningen 0 - 0 Willem II
Groningen finished with ten men thanks to the 89th minute sending off of Gibril Sankoh


And rightfully so!


Ajax 1 - 1 AZ
Despite AZ going into the lead, they lost Stijn Schars in the 57th minute, saw Ajax miss and score a penalty, both courtesy of Luis Suarez.


Suarez wanted to score in a "Panenka"-way the first time, but failed to surprise AZ goalie Didulica, who managed to stop the ball with his right hand. In the rebound, Suarez ran into Didulica, bumping his knee to the goalie's head.
As a result, the game was suspended for 14 minutes while Didulica was treated for his injuries and subsequently moved to a hospital (with a light concussion). He has been released from hospital in the meantime.
As you may remember, Joey Didulica has suffered a severe head injury before that kept him out of competition for 18 months. Of course people were having déja-vu's there...

On a sidenote: Suarez' goal means he's now leveled with El Hamdaoui of AZ at 22 goals each. The latter, however, is still suspended for one more game, so it looks like Suarez has the better chance of becoming top scorer of Eredivie this season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/27/09 at 8:37 am


Suarez wanted to score in a "Panenka"-way the first time, but failed to surprise AZ goalie Didulica, who managed to stop the ball with his right hand. In the rebound, Suarez ran into Didulica, bumping his knee to the goalie's head.
As a result, the game was suspended for 14 minutes while Didulica was treated for his injuries and subsequently moved to a hospital (with a light concussion). He has been released from hospital in the meantime.
As you may remember, Joey Didulica has suffered a severe head injury before that kept him out of competition for 18 months. Of course people were having déja-vu's there...


Oh gosh, I had completely forgotten about the previous Didulica incident, and I was unaware that this had happened a second time. That's very scary and one can only hope that he is okay.


On a sidenote: Suarez' goal means he's now leveled with El Hamdaoui of AZ at 22 goals each. The latter, however, is still suspended for one more game, so it looks like Suarez has the better chance of becoming top scorer of Eredivie this season.


Maybe if El Hamdaoui was still at Willem II, it would be us for whom he had scored 22 goals, not AZ. One hope too far..? I had forgotten he was on Tottenham's books for a whole season, but failed to appear in a single game. He later played for Derby County for two loan spells, in a season in which they finished fifth from bottom in the Championship.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 04/30/09 at 1:59 pm

So we enter into the final two rounds of Eredivisie matches: all this week's Eredivisie matches are taking place on Sunday. Meanwhile, all ten Eerste Divisie matches take place tomorrow evening.

FC Den Bosch (9th) and Dordrecht '90 (11th) take place in a crucial clash that could decide the momentum for a top nine place. Haarlem face FC Emmen VV, in a match which is probably more likely to go to form.

RKC can finish their season unbeaten at home as long as they avoid defeat against RBC.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/01/09 at 3:14 pm

Tonight's final results:


AGOVV Apeldoorn 2 - 1 VVV
Despite VVV seeming to have rescued a point, AGOVV pulled ahead once again in the 89th minute.

BV Veendam 1 - 2 Excelsior
Cambuur Leeuwarden 3 - 1 FC Eindhoven
FC Den Bosch 1 - 2 Dordrecht '90
FC Ominworld 1 - 0 SC Stormvogels Telstar
And again, just as the game looked to be finishing goalless, Omniworld pull one out of the bag.

Fortuna Sittard 3 - 2 MVV
Go Ahead Eagles 1 - 0 TOP/Oss
Haarlem FC 0 - 1 FC Emmen VV
Helmond Sport 0 - 0 FC Zwolle
RKC Waalwijk 3 - 1 RBC Roosendaal


One final set of Eerste Divisie fixtures, next Friday. Top face bottom, with VVV against Omniworld, while RKC, who tonight finished their season unbeaten at home, face FC Emmen VV.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/02/09 at 1:43 pm

All nine Eredivisie fixtures kick off at 1:30pm tomorrow afternoon. I'll be hoping for Willem II to beat Roda and for NAC to beat De Graafschap, which will make escape easier for Volendam, who face FC Groningen.

And while I'm thinking about it, Henk, when we get closer to the time, are we going to start a 2009-10 thread?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/02/09 at 4:23 pm


And while I'm thinking about it, Henk, when we get closer to the time, are we going to start a 2009-10 thread?


I don't see why not.  :) Let's hope it will be as entertaining as this season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/02/09 at 4:41 pm

Like last season I'm not sure how much I will know about various playoffs, though I hope you will be there to cover my back if I'm unable to get the information at the time, Henk.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/02/09 at 4:44 pm


Like last season I'm not sure how much I will know about various playoffs, though I hope you will be there to cover my back if I'm unable to get the information at the time, Henk.


With pleasure!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/02/09 at 4:55 pm

Wikipedia's entry on Eerste Divisie 2008-09 appears to have the playoffs sorted, but last year's information did not appear for several days, IIRC... Hopefully things will improve this season...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/03/09 at 10:20 am

Today's results:


Roda JC 0 - 1 Willem II
Well, I knew we could do it - but it took a 90th minute strike from Niels Vorthoren to seal the game.

Vitesse 1 - 0 Heracles
PSV 1 - 1 NEC
Having scored a penalty for the side, Lazovic was sent off for PSV six minutes later. PSV then went down to nine men before Tim Janssen equalized for NEC in the final minute of the game.

Twente 3 - 0 AZ
Ouch. Sorry Henk. This maintains Twente's record of just one home loss this season, and brings them level with AZ in terms of points scored at their home ground. It also means that AZ have gone winless in three games for the first time since their twelve-game winless streak in January-March last year. Gill Swerts was sent off for AZ in the 61st minute.

Sparta Rotterdam 4 - 0 Ajax
Not only did Twente ensure themselves of a second placing with their victory over AZ, but Ajax completely destroyed their hopes of finishing second with this defeat. Ajax and AZ's last-five form now reads identical.

NAC 0 - 1 De Graafschap
This unexpected victory for De Graafschap, just their second away victory all season, pushes Roda down into bottom place in the table.

FC Utrecht 2 - 2 Feijenoord
Feijenoord went behind twice in the match. This draw is the first time Utrecht have avoided defeat against Feijenoord since Christmas 06.

Volendam 0 - 1 Groningen
So close to grabbing a point which, given De Graafschap's win today, would have been quite comforting for Volendam.

Heerenveen 2 - 2 ADO Den Haag
ADO Den Haag went two goals ahead by the end of the first half, but by my reckoning, PSV's single point meant that Heerenveen were not going to gain a place in the table anyway, save for a 24-0 win...



So an away win for Willem II(!) Not bad..

A slightly surreal stat, apparently Willem II have not scored a goal between 30 and 40 minutes of a match in this entire season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/03/09 at 3:12 pm


Roda JC 0 - 1 Willem II
Well, I knew we could do it - but it took a 90th minute strike from Niels Vorthoren to seal the game.

NAC 0 - 1 De Graafschap
This unexpected victory for De Graafschap, just their second away victory all season, pushes Roda down into bottom place in the table.

Volendam 0 - 1 Groningen
So close to grabbing a point which, given De Graafschap's win today, would have been quite comforting for Volendam.



In a sick twist of fate, all goals in these games were scored in stoppage time. Not that a draw would've helped either Roda JC or Volendam much...
To make matters worse, Vorthoren was standing in offside position when he scored. To think that that goal may just have sealed Roda JC's fate...


PSV 1 - 1 NEC
Having scored a penalty for the side, Lazovic was sent off for PSV six minutes later. PSV then went down to nine men before Tim Janssen equalized for NEC in the final minute of the game.


Lazovic was booked twice, and thus received a red card. He took his shirt off, after scoring the 1 - 0, and instead of being cautious he played the ball with his right arm just minutes later. Completely unnecessary.
Edison Mendez was sent off directly after a charge on Lasse Schöne. 


Twente 3 - 0 AZ
Ouch. Sorry Henk. This maintains Twente's record of just one home loss this season, and brings them level with AZ in terms of points scored at their home ground. It also means that AZ have gone winless in three games for the first time since their twelve-game winless streak in January-March last year. Gill Swerts was sent off for AZ in the 61st minute.


Nah, that's okay. AZ are still champions, and I'm totally okay with Twente ending in second place. A very nice birthday present for Steve McClaren (48 today).


Sparta Rotterdam 4 - 0 Ajax
Not only did Twente ensure themselves of a second placing with their victory over AZ, but Ajax completely destroyed their hopes of finishing second with this defeat. Ajax and AZ's last-five form now reads identical.


No Champions League for Ajax (again). If they continue to play like they did today, they don't stand much chance in Europe League (formerly known as UEFA Cup) either.


FC Utrecht 2 - 2 Feijenoord
Feijenoord went behind twice in the match. This draw is the first time Utrecht have avoided defeat against Feijenoord since Christmas 06.


This draw doesn't help either team much. Feyenoord still need to win their final game against Roda JC to secure a place in Europe League play-offs.


Heerenveen 2 - 2 ADO Den Haag
ADO Den Haag went two goals ahead by the end of the first half, but by my reckoning, PSV's single point meant that Heerenveen were not going to gain a place in the table anyway, save for a 24-0 win...


And again, Den Haag gave it all away in the final ten minutes of the game.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/03/09 at 3:34 pm

Now let's see... This is the current bottom of the table:

Pos. | Team                          Played | Points | Goals scored-Goals conceded.
14  |  Heracles Almelo    33  |  31    |      34 - 52
15  |  ADO Den Haag        33  |  29    |      38 - 57
16  |  De Graafschap        33  |  29    |      22 - 56
17  |  FC Volendam          33  |  28    |      36 - 65
18  |  Roda JC                33  |  27    |      35 - 56


Heracles Almelo will be playing FC Utrecht (home) next week, and need only one point to avoid play-offs. Utrecht, on the other hand, need a win to stay in the race for Europe League play-offs.

ADO Den Haag will be playing Vitesse (home) next week. Both teams need a win.

De Graafschap (home) and FC Volendam (away) face eachother next week in what promises to be a classic relegation game. Both teams can not afford to lose.

And last but not least Roda JC, who'll be facing Feyenoord (away) on the same day. Both teams need to win.
Will this be the final curtain for Roda JC, after 36 consecutive years of Eredivisie football...? :-\\

I'm not gonna put any money on these games. There's just no way of telling what will happen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/03/09 at 3:47 pm

36 years is it for Roda? It would be awful for them to lose it now.

I can't wait to see how De Graafschap and Volendam turn out. In spite of it being only a relegation duel, I love seeing these final-day struggles.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/03/09 at 3:52 pm

Speaking of which, you just reminded me to check up on Wikipedia, where someone has finally archived the old Eerste Divisie seasons on the English Wiki. Which is good. Interesting to see DWS go from almost the basement of Eerste Divisie A to champions of the country within eight years.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/03/09 at 3:57 pm


36 years is it for Roda? It would be awful for them to lose it now.


I agree. Still, one team is going to relegate directly, and at this point odds are it's gonna be Roda JC.


I can't wait to see how De Graafschap and Volendam turn out. In spite of it being only a relegation duel, I love seeing these final-day struggles.


I only just now noticed that De Graafschap have scored only 22 goals in 33 matches. That's not very promising for their final match.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/03/09 at 8:13 pm

For Volendam and De Graafschap to both avoid being directly relegated - I'm not sure we've been in this situation all season. Unfortunately with relegation playoffs, it would have to be one or the other.

And what with the fact that the last game is a six-pointer beyond all others, it'll probably end up a draw!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/06/09 at 3:10 pm

This weekend sees the last set of Hoofdklasse matches, with only one title, that of Sunday B, still realistically winnable by more than one team. Sunday B side SV Venray moved from having a goal difference of 0 to a goal difference of 9 last weekend, thanks to a 9 - 0 thrashing of bottom side LONGA - but having faced off a week and a half ago against each other, top side Baronie face third-placed EVV, while Gemert, who Baronie overtook last week, face.. Venray.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/06/09 at 3:29 pm

And so, the inevitable has happened today. Marco van Basten has stepped down as coach of Ajax, just one match before the end of the season.
None of the team's goals were achieved this season, and Van Basten didn't feel like he could/would get the team to perform any better next season. (I don't think that's entirely his fault, but this aside).

In spite of the miilions spent, it's no championship (5th year in a row), no qualification for Champions League (4th year in a row), no KNVB Cup for Ajax...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/07/09 at 6:33 pm

Final round of regular season Eerste Divisie fixtures tonight, with VVV up against FC Omniworld, and nine other matches. Then I'll need some help because I'm not entirely sure what is happening next and when...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/08/09 at 2:58 pm

Tonight's scores:


Dordrecht '90 3 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles
Excelsior 1 - 0 Helmond Sport
FC Eindhoven 2 - 1 BV Veendam
FC Emmen VV 2 - 1 RKC
FC Zwolle 3 - 2 Haarlem FC
MVV 3 - 1 AGOVV Apeldoorn
RBC 0 - 1 FC Den Bosch
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
TOP/Oss 0 - 2 Cambuur
VVV 4 - 1 FC Omniworld

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/08/09 at 3:04 pm


Tonight's scores:


Dordrecht '90 3 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles
Excelsior 1 - 0 Helmond Sport
FC Eindhoven 2 - 1 BV Veendam
FC Emmen VV 2 - 1 RKC
FC Zwolle 3 - 2 Haarlem FC
MVV 3 - 1 AGOVV Apeldoorn
RBC 0 - 1 FC Den Bosch
SC Stormvogels Telstar 1 - 1 Fortuna Sittard
TOP/Oss 0 - 2 Cambuur
VVV 4 - 1 FC Omniworld



Good...I think. I'll see where this leads us (in terms of play-offs).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/08/09 at 3:43 pm


Good...I think. I'll see where this leads us (in terms of play-offs).

Cheers Henk.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/08/09 at 4:38 pm

Okay...so here it is. (* takes a deep breath *)

Promotion/Relegation play-offs take place in three rounds. There will be ten teams partaking: nrs 16 and 17 from Eredivisie, and 8 teams from Jupiler League (RKC Waalwijk, SC Cambuur, FC Zwolle, Excelsior, MVV, FC Dordrecht, TOP Oss and Telstar).

First round of play-offs (12 and 15 May):
Four lowest ranked teams from Jupiler League face off in a double fixture for two tickets for Round 2.
Winners proceed to Round 2, losers have to try again next year.
We get these fixtures:
(A) MVV - Telstar
(B) Dordrecht - TOP Oss

Second round of play (19 and 22 May, if needed: 25 May):
Winners of First round matches face numbers 16 and 17 from Eredivisie, while the remaining four teams from Jupiler League face each other, all in a best-of-three fixture. Winners proceed to Round 3, losers stay in (or relegate to) Jupiler League.
This leads to the following fixtures:
(C) Winner (A) - #16 Eredivisie (at present: De Graafschap)
(D) Excelsior - RKC Waalwijk
(E) FC Zwolle - SC Cambuur
(F) Winner (B) - #17 Eredivisie (at present: FC Volendam)

Third round of play (28 and 31 May, if needed: 3 June):
Winners from second round face off for two tickets for Eredivisie in a best-of-three fixture.
Winners proceed to (or stay in) Eredivisie, losers relegate to (or stay in) Jupiler League.
This leads to the following fixtures:
(G) Winner (C) - Winner (D)
(H) Winner (E) - Winner (F)


I hope that's clear enough. This set-up means that teams like TOP Oss and Telstar have little to no chance of promoting to Eredivisie.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/08/09 at 5:11 pm

BTW: the only team playing the play-offs that has never played in Eredivisie is TOP Oss. Then again, they weren't around before 1991 (not as a professional team, anyway).

For Telstar, it's been 31 years since they last played Eredivisie, and I don't think they're gonna make it this year either.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/08/09 at 7:11 pm

Thanks for the info Henk, that's much more useful than either Wikipedia or Soccernet have been.

Unfortunately that means I may not be able to find the results, as well as not being able to find the fixtures themselves..

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 7:37 am

Final round of play in Eredivisie is underway...


My predictions for the bottom-four:

ADO will lose against Vitesse
De Graafschap and Volendam will draw
Roda JC will lose against Feyenoord

which means: Roda JC are relegated, ADO Den Haag and Volendam have to play play-offs to avoid relegation.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 7:38 am

Yep, I'm staying glued to it on ESPN - and posting updates to LTE, naturally!

It's just fate that Volendam and De Graafschap will probably draw, after all this work for both teams to avoid getting relegated.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 7:48 am

El Hamdaoui has scored for AZ, taking them in the lead against Heerenveen.

This also means he's the top scorer of the season, as Suarez isn't playing today.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 7:50 am

Roda JC are in the lead against Feyenoord. :o A goal by Sekou Cissé.


This puts FC Volendam in danger of direct relegation.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 7:53 am

ADO Den Haag are in the lead against Vitesse (a goal by Danny Buijs). Good for them.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 7:54 am

Hopefully Feijenoord can pull this one back.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 7:55 am

Dwight Tiendalli (Feyenoord) gets sent off with a red card. :o

And Marcel Meeuwis makes it 0 - 2 from the penalty spot for Roda JC. Is this gonna be one of those days..? ???

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 7:56 am

Marcel Meeuwis scores with the resulting penalty.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 7:56 am

Karim Soltani makes it two for ADO.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 7:56 am

Mark Jan Fledderus scores for Heracles.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 7:57 am

Mark-Jan Fledderus scores for Heracles, putting them in the lead against Utrecht.


Mark Jan Fledderus scores for Heracles.


Yeah, that's what I said.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 7:58 am

Erik Falkenburg scores for Sparta, putting them in the lead against NEC Nijmegen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 7:58 am


Yeah, that's what I said.

It's all getting a bit dramatic.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:04 am

Oh dear. PSV have scored via Ola Toivonen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:18 am

Bas Sibum equalizes for NEC against Sparta.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:18 am

Bas Sibum has equalized for NEC Nijmegen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:19 am

Moussa Dembele scores a second for AZ.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:19 am


Bas Sibum equalizes for NEC against Sparta.


Hey, quit stealing my lines. :P

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:19 am


Hey, quit stealing my lines. :P

:P Sorry Henk!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:22 am

Half time, and as things stand, Volendam are getting directly relegated.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:28 am

Half time.

Current results put Volendam in 18th place (with direct relegation), while Roda JC move up to 16th ('cause Den Haag and Heracles are also winning) and De Graafschap move down one to 17th.
I'm not exactly sure where this puts Feyenoord. They're still fighting for Europa League tickets, and of all remaining competiton only NAC Breda have one point at this stage - just enough to overtake Feyenoord. But 8th place on the table would still suffice for Feyenoord.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:29 am


Marco Reus scores Ahlen's opening goal  against FC Ingolstadt.


Wrong thread. :P

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:30 am

Teehee, you're right. :D

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:30 am

Too busy concentrating on Shrewsbury.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:32 am

Seriously though, only three more minutes until it goes to penalties in the Shrewsbury game. It's getting nervewracking.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:34 am

Andreas Granqvist has opened the score for Groningen against NAC Breda.

Which means that nrs 7 to 10 on the current table are now ALL on the losing side. :o

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:52 am

Dembele makes it three for AZ..

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:55 am

Stephan Keller scores for De Graafschap, putting them in the lead against fellow-strugglers FC Volendam. :(

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:56 am

Volendam equalize!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:57 am


Volendam equalize!


Thanks to Gerson Sheotahoul.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:58 am

Danny Buijs scores his second, and ADO's third of the match.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:59 am

Ajax, and almost simultaneously, PSV, score, taking PSV's score against Willem II to 0 - 2.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 8:59 am

AND Volendam MAKE IT TWO!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 8:59 am

Urby Emanuelson scores for Ajax, putting them 1 - 0 up against FC Twente.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:00 am

Feyenoord have pulled one up to make it 1 - 2 (Roy Makaay).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:01 am


Ajax, and almost simultaneously, PSV, score, taking PSV's score against Willem II to 0 - 2.


The PSV goal was scored by Dzsudzsak.


AND Volendam MAKE IT TWO!


Jack Tuyp did it! Go Volendam!!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:01 am

According to stats, this now puts De Graafschap back into last place in the table, and pumps Volendam to sixteenth.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:02 am


According to stats, this now puts De Graafschap back into last place in the table, and pumps Volendam to sixteenth.


That would be correct.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:05 am

Hadouir has made it 1 - 3 for Roda JC.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:06 am

Ricky van Wolfswinkel scores a goal for Vitesse, cutting their deficit to just two goals against ADO den Haag.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:08 am

Ben Sahar equalizes for De Graafschap.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:09 am


Ben Sahar equalizes for De Graafschap.


Yes, I was just about to post this.


I somehow lost connection with the net. :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:10 am

Can Volendam pull one out of the hat? Just one, please..?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:11 am

As it stands, De Graafschap appear to be heading down, and Roda and Volendam are heading for the relegation playoffs. I think.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:12 am


As it stands, De Graafschap appear to be heading down, and Roda and Volendam are heading for the relegation playoffs. I think.


No no. Volendam are relegated if it stays like this. De Graafschap and Roda face play-offs.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:13 am


No no. Volendam are relegated if it stays like this. De Graafschap and Roda face play-offs.

Aha, ESPN haven't updated yet. Cheers for the correction.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:14 am

PSV make it three.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:14 am

Koevermans scores for PSV. Sorry.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:15 am


Koevermans scores for PSV. Sorry.

Not to worry. Wasn't expecting to pull this one off as it was. You can't be disappointed about something if you didn't expect it to happen in the first place.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:17 am

Roy Makaay makes it 2 -3 for Feyenoord from the penalty spot. There's still a glimmer of hope...

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:21 am

Ingelsten scores a late consolation goal for Heerenveen (3 -1). And that's the final score for that game.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:24 am

NEC Nijmegen - Sparta Rotterdam 1 - 1 (FT)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:25 am

Cedric van der Gun scores a late equaliser for FC Utrecht against Heracles.

Full time score: 1 all.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:27 am

Relegation match between De Graafschap and FC Volendam has also come to an end. Final score: 2 - 2.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:28 am

As it happens, Henk, ESPN screwed up the Eredivisie table with regard to De Graafschap and Volendam, saying that Volendam held 17th place (actually joint 16th according to them) and were directly relegated.

So I wasn't technically reading it wrong, but they had it up wrong on there.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:29 am

More results coming in:

ADO Den Haag - Vitesse Arnhem  3 - 1.
Ajax - FC Twente                      1 - 0

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:32 am

Kevin Hofland receives a second red card for Feyenoord.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:32 am

And Georgino Wijnaldum a third!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:33 am

And Georgino Wijnaldum makes it three! :o

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:33 am

What the f...? Game over?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:34 am


What the f...? Game over?


Yeah, I guess those updates weren't exactly up-to-date.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:34 am

Maybe they just gave up and went home. :D

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:34 am

Ellery Cairo (NAC Breda) received a red card.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:37 am

Final full time scores:

FC Groningen - NAC Breda 1 - 0
Feyenoord - Roda JC        2 - 3
Willem II - PSV                0 - 3


And with that, FC Volendam are relegated (once again). :\'( Roda JC and De Graafschap face relegation play-offs.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/10/09 at 9:37 am

All games are done with:


ADO Den Haag 3 - 1 Vitesse
Ajax 1 - 0 Twente
AZ 3 - 1 Heerenveen
De Graafschap 2 - 2 Volendam
Groningen 1 - 0 NAC
Feijenoord 2 - 3 Roda JC
NEC 1 - 1 Sparta
Heracles 1 - 1 Utrecht
Willem II 0 - 3 PSV

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 9:48 am

Updated play-off scheme, with the results from today's Eredivisie games taken into account.

First round of play-offs (12 and 15 May):
Four lowest ranked teams from Jupiler League face off in a double fixture for two tickets for Round 2.
Winners proceed to Round 2, losers have to try again next year.
We get these fixtures:
(A) MVV - Telstar
(B) Dordrecht - TOP Oss

Second round of play (19 and 22 May, if needed: 25 May):
Winners of First round matches face numbers 16 and 17 from Eredivisie, while the remaining four teams from Jupiler League face each other, all in a best-of-three fixture. Winners proceed to Round 3, losers stay in (or relegate to) Jupiler League.
This leads to the following fixtures:
(C) Winner (A) - Roda JC
(D) Excelsior - RKC Waalwijk
(E) FC Zwolle - SC Cambuur
(F) Winner (B) - De Graafschap

Third round of play (28 and 31 May, if needed: 3 June):
Winners from second round face off for two tickets for Eredivisie in a best-of-three fixture.
Winners proceed to (or stay in) Eredivisie, losers relegate to (or stay in) Jupiler League.
This leads to the following fixtures:
(G) Winner (C) - Winner (D)
(H) Winner (E) - Winner (F)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 10:03 am

I see De Graafschap's equalizer against Volendam gets credited to Gerry Koning, making it an own goal. :\'(

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/10/09 at 3:36 pm


And with that, FC Volendam are relegated (once again). :\'(


Only their ninth time since the introduction of Eredivisie... ::)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/12/09 at 12:44 pm

Soccerway says there are Nacomptitie matches going on today. Soccernet makes no mention of it, so I'll keep my eyes on things to see if they change.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/12/09 at 3:51 pm

Tonight's Nacomptitie results:


Telstar 0 - 0 MVV
TOP/Oss 0 - 2 Dordrecht '90


That's Dordrecht's ninth consecutive victory! Quite an achievement. I guess this means we have second legs to contend with this Friday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/12/09 at 4:10 pm


Tonight's Nacomptitie results:


Telstar 0 - 0 MVV
TOP/Oss 0 - 2 Dordrecht '90



Benito Olenski missed a penalty for Telstar... :(


That's Dordrecht's ninth consecutive victory! Quite an achievement. I guess this means we have second legs to contend with this Friday.


That's right.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/12/09 at 4:28 pm

In theory this still gives Telstar every opportunity to reach the finals of the Nacomptitie. Ha - I just loaded up TOP/Oss's and Dordrecht's recent fixtures right next to each other on Soccerway. Contrasting fortunes, shall we say.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/12/09 at 4:39 pm


And Georgino Wijnaldum a third!



And Georgino Wijnaldum makes it three! :o


BTW: Georgino Wijnaldum never received a red card (though he probably should have). I really don't know how this got on Soccernet.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/12/09 at 4:42 pm


BTW: Georgino Wijnaldum never received a red card (though he probably should have). I really don't know how this got on Soccernet.

As I remember the updates were playing silly games with us - I wasn't entirely sure what was happening there!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/12/09 at 4:57 pm


As I remember the updates were playing silly games with us - I wasn't entirely sure what was happening there!


Well, who was..?  :D ;D


While we're at it... Kevin Hofland has been suspended for 3 games (and one on probation) due to his red card, and Dwight Tiendalli is suspended for one.
This means both players will be missing the first leg of the semi-final playoffs for a ticket for Europa League next Saturday, while Hofland will also be msissing the second leg and a possible third (or the first leg of the final).


Semi-final playoffs for Europa League (Best-of-three):

First leg, May 16:
NAC Breda - Feyenoord
FC Utrecht - FC Groningen

Second leg, May 21:
FC Utrecht - FC Groningen
Feyenoord - NAC Breda

Third leg (if needed): Dunno... :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/13/09 at 1:03 pm

Bayern appoint Van Gaal as coach.

Bayern Munich have appointed Louis Van Gaal as their new coach. He succeeds Jurgen Klinsmann, who was sacked last month.

Bayern say van Gaal, 57, who has just guided AZ to the Dutch league title, will sign a two-year contract and formally take over on May 1.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/15/09 at 4:06 pm


Tonight's Nacomptitie results:


Telstar 0 - 0 MVV
TOP/Oss 0 - 2 Dordrecht '90


That's Dordrecht's ninth consecutive victory! Quite an achievement. I guess this means we have second legs to contend with this Friday.


And the return matches:

MVV - Telstar                1 - 0 (Boateng, 80th minute)
Dordrecht '90 - TOP Oss  1 - 0 (Guy Ramos, 84th minute)

MVV player Tom Daemen received a red card in the dying minutes of the game.
TOP Oss player Emrullah Güvenc also took a red card, in the 30th minute of the game.


These results mean both MVV and Dordrecht '90 proceed to round 2, where they'll be facing De Graafschap and Roda JC respectively.
The Jupiler League teams play the first leg at home.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/15/09 at 6:28 pm

Thanks for updating, Henk. I fell asleep last night very early and didn't get a chance to check on the results.

So, Dordrecht are through to Round 2, hey? I feel after winning through to this round, just like being a cup "giantkiller", so to speak, it's not so much who they face, but how they feel on the day. I feel they'll have a better chance against De Graafschap, but I would have said that about MVV anyway!

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/16/09 at 2:59 pm

Tonight's results:

NAC 3 - 2 Feijenoord
Utrecht 3 - 3 Groningen

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Frank on 05/16/09 at 4:50 pm

Question for dutch soccer fans:

My dad was a big dutch football fan from back in the late 60's even. He has told me repeatedly that the best Dutch football player was Johan Cruiff.

I told him: What about Van Basten, Bergkamp or Gullit, or perhaps someone else?

So I ask you as experts, in your opinion who is the best dutch player ever? Or who is recognized as the best ever in the Netherlands?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/16/09 at 7:17 pm

Funny you should mention Gullit - I was just reading up on some stats now and according to Wiki, in Gullit's first year as a player, at HFC Haarlem, the team finished bottom of the Eredivisie. Stats like that are weird.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/16/09 at 10:22 pm

Today is the KNVB-Beker final between Twente and Heerenveen.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/17/09 at 1:09 am


Question for dutch soccer fans:

My dad was a big dutch football fan from back in the late 60's even. He has told me repeatedly that the best Dutch football player was Johan Cruiff.

I told him: What about Van Basten, Bergkamp or Gullit, or perhaps someone else?

So I ask you as experts, in your opinion who is the best dutch player ever? Or who is recognized as the best ever in the Netherlands?



There is no argument about who's the greatest Dutch player of all time. That's Cruyff, hands down.
In fact, he's one of the world's best football players ever, second (or third) only to Pele and Maradona.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Frank on 05/17/09 at 1:23 am


There is no argument about who's the greatest Dutch player of all time. That's Cruyff, hands down.
In fact, he's one of the world's best football players ever, second (or third) only to Pele and Maradona.

Hi Henk, thanks for your response on this. Appreciate it.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/17/09 at 1:32 am


Hi Henk, thanks for your response on this. Appreciate it.


You're welcome. :)

Now to be honest: Cruyff's heydays were in the 1970's, and I was a bit too young to fully appreciate his genius back then.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Frank on 05/17/09 at 1:39 am


You're welcome. :)

Now to be honest: Cruyff's heydays were in the 1970's, and I was a bit too young to fully appreciate his genius back then.

I saw some games from the 1974 World cup but don't remember much myself. I also saw many games from the 1978 World cup but don't think he was on the national team at that point.

I know my dad was fond of him as a player and put him 2nd behind Pele as the best he's seen. At that time Maradona was a teen.
Personally, Maradona is the best player I have seen so far.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/17/09 at 3:04 pm


Today is the KNVB-Beker final between Twente and Heerenveen.


And Heerenveen win, after penalties. Third time lucky!

In the first 15 minutes of the game, Twente already had to substitute two of their regular players (Arnautovic and Wisgerhof) due to injuries, which clearly disrupted their game. Heerenveen were the more aggressive side in the first half and they took a 1 - 0 lead, but Twente regrouped after the break and controlled most of the second half, which ultimately lead to the equalizer.
Late in extra time, Heerenveen took the lead for a second time, but Twente equalized once again two minutes before time (courtesy of Youssouf Hersi).

Sadly, it was also Hersi who missed the decider.



Full time score:
sc Heerenveen - FC Twente 1 - 1 (AET: 2 - 2)
sc Heerenveen win on penalties (5 - 4)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/17/09 at 3:35 pm

Wow, sounds like it was a great game, I completely missed it because I've been out all evening. Awesome stuff - unfortunate though that Twente end up without the trophy.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/17/09 at 3:54 pm


Wow, sounds like it was a great game, I completely missed it because I've been out all evening. Awesome stuff - unfortunate though that Twente end up without the trophy.


It was a great game indeed. A shame really one of the two had to win.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/19/09 at 4:14 am

Soccerway suggests that there are four Nacompetitie games today, and the second legs are on May 22. I will keep an eye on things if I'm around when they're finished.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/19/09 at 4:08 pm


Soccerway suggests that there are four Nacompetitie games today, and the second legs are on May 22. I will keep an eye on things if I'm around when they're finished.


Soccerway was right. Tonight's results:

FC Dordrecht - Roda JC 1-1 
FC Zwolle - Cambuur Leeuwarden 2-1 
Excelsior - RKC Waalwijk 1-2 
MVV - De Graafschap 2-3 

I've only seen the MVV - De Graafschap match, where the away team took a very early lead (first minute of the game), thus destroying all MVV's plans. Without great effort, they then made it 0 - 2 and even 0 - 3 before Boateng scored for the home team on the stroke of half time.
It took MVV until the 80th minute to score a second time (from the penalty spot), but in spite of having the upper hand in the second half they were denied the equalizer.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/19/09 at 4:13 pm

Thanks for posting this, Henk, I caught the results just as I saw you posting them.

I guess Dordrecht will be happy with that result, while Cambuur would have been happy to restrict the deficit to just one goal going into the second leg with a penalty kick in the last three minutes of normal time..

Dordrecht have gone a rather impressive nine games without defeat away from home, so they will be looking to convert that into something good on the return leg.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/19/09 at 4:39 pm

On another, and sadder note:

KNVB have revoked the licence of Fortuna Sittard. The team is no longer allowed to play professional soccer, due to their financial situation that doesn't meet KNVB regulations and standards. This means that the team will join the ranks of amateur teams in Hoofdklasse 1, after 41 years of professionalism.
The team is considering to take the matter to court, although they hardly have the means and there's little chance of success.
It's the first time in 17 years that a licence has been revoked. Last time this happened was 1992, when both FC Wageningen and VCV Zeeland were stripped of their professional status.

Jupiler League will be continued with 19 teams instead of 20. A charity match between Fortuna Sittard and Bayern Munich, scheduled for May 31 and meant to raise money for the struggling team, will go ahead as planned.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/21/09 at 7:19 am

Very sad news - but that's the financial situation at present...

Apparently there is one match this afternoon - I will keep my eye on what happens.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/21/09 at 8:55 am


Apparently there is one match this afternoon - I will keep my eye on what happens.


Two, actually. Second leg of semi-final playoffs for Europa League.

FC Groningen - FC Utrecht

and

Feyenoord - NAC Breda.


I couldn't help but notice the odds are very much in favor of Groningen. Bet365 has Utrecht facing 101:1 odds of winning. :o


Oddly enough, the games are already well underway but there's no update on the scores on Soccernet. :-\\ So here they are (from another site):

FC Groningen - FC Utrecht 4 - 0
Feyenoord - NAC Breda     0 - 2

No wonder the odds are in favor of Groningen... ;D Things are also looking good for NAC (who already won the first leg 3 - 2).

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/21/09 at 9:45 am

Europa League playoffs, semi-finals, leg two:

FC Groningen - FC Utrecht  4 - 0 (aggregate: 7 - 3)
Feyenoord - NAC Breda      0 - 4 (aggregate: 2 - 7)

So the season has gone from bad (finishing only 7th and losing their final competition match against the #18, Roda JC) to worse (not even qualifying for Europa League) for Feyenoord.
To add insult to injury: it's the first win ever for NAC Breda away at De Kuip stadium.


Looking forward to the final between FC Groningen and NAC Breda already. :)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/21/09 at 12:02 pm


Apparently there is one match this afternoon - I will keep my eye on what happens.


I think maybe Bobo fell asleep... :-\\

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/21/09 at 12:23 pm


I think maybe Bobo fell asleep... :-\\

Oh, I'm still awake, I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thanks for updating me on what happened, Henk.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/22/09 at 3:12 pm


On another, and sadder note:

KNVB have revoked the licence of Fortuna Sittard. The team is no longer allowed to play professional soccer, due to their financial situation that doesn't meet KNVB regulations and standards. This means that the team will join the ranks of amateur teams in Hoofdklasse 1, after 41 years of professionalism.
The team is considering to take the matter to court, although they hardly have the means and there's little chance of success.
It's the first time in 17 years that a licence has been revoked. Last time this happened was 1992, when both FC Wageningen and VCV Zeeland were stripped of their professional status.

Jupiler League will be continued with 19 teams instead of 20. A charity match between Fortuna Sittard and Bayern Munich, scheduled for May 31 and meant to raise money for the struggling team, will go ahead as planned.


Update: Fortuna Sittard are definitely taking the matter to court.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/22/09 at 3:17 pm


Soccerway was right. Tonight's results:

FC Dordrecht - Roda JC 1-1 
FC Zwolle - Cambuur Leeuwarden 2-1 
Excelsior - RKC Waalwijk 1-2 
MVV - De Graafschap 2-3 



Second leg results:
Roda JC - FC Dordrecht    1 - 0  (Roda JC proceed to Round Three)
SC Cambuur - FC Zwolle  3 - 1 (Both teams have won once, so there's gonna be a decider)
RKC Waalwijk - Excelsior  1 - 1 (RKC proceed to Round Three)
De Graafschap - MVV        2 - 2 (De Graafschap proceed to Round Three)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/25/09 at 2:57 pm

Promotion/relegation playoffs, decider match:

SC Cambuur - FC Zwolle 2 - 0 (FT)


SC Cambuur proceed to Round Three.


First leg of Round Three matches: May 28.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/28/09 at 4:00 pm

Results from today's matches:


Relegation/promotion playoffs, Round Three (first leg):
SC Cambuur - Roda JC              0 - 0 
RKC Waalwijk - De Graafschap  2 - 0


Europa League playoff (first leg):
NAC Breda - FC Groningen  1 - 1


Sunday Hoofdklasse Championship playoffs:
Baronie - Westlandia  0 - 1

Anything still possible there.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 05/28/09 at 6:39 pm

Two further matches in the Sunday Hoofdklasse playoffs, the first next Monday, and the final match a week on Sunday.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/31/09 at 11:32 am


Results from today's matches:


Relegation/promotion playoffs, Round Three (first leg):
SC Cambuur - Roda JC               0 - 0  
RKC Waalwijk - De Graafschap  2 - 0


Europa League playoff (first leg):
NAC Breda - FC Groningen   1 - 1



Relegation/promotion playoffs, Round Three (second leg):
Roda JC - SC Cambuur                1 - 1 (red cards for Marcel Meeuwis (Roda) and Koen Brack (Cambuur) in the first half)
De Graafschap - RKC Waalwijk  2 - 1

Which means both matches need a decider.


Europa League playoffs (second leg):
FC Groningen - NAC Breda  0 - 2

After the draw in the first leg, NAC Breda have qualified for Europa League.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 05/31/09 at 12:44 pm


On another, and sadder note:

KNVB have revoked the licence of Fortuna Sittard. The team is no longer allowed to play professional soccer, due to their financial situation that doesn't meet KNVB regulations and standards. This means that the team will join the ranks of amateur teams in Hoofdklasse 1, after 41 years of professionalism.
The team is considering to take the matter to court, although they hardly have the means and there's little chance of success.
It's the first time in 17 years that a licence has been revoked. Last time this happened was 1992, when both FC Wageningen and VCV Zeeland were stripped of their professional status.

Jupiler League will be continued with 19 teams instead of 20. A charity match between Fortuna Sittard and Bayern Munich, scheduled for May 31 and meant to raise money for the struggling team, will go ahead as planned.


The game ended in a 0 - 2 win for Bayern Munich.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 06/01/09 at 6:55 pm

Wednesday sees the two Nacompetitie matches, which the winner of each, I assume will go on to play each other in the final match?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/02/09 at 12:46 pm


Wednesday sees the two Nacompetitie matches, which the winner of each, I assume will go on to play each other in the final match?


No, that won't be necessary. There's room for two in the Eredivisie.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 06/02/09 at 12:48 pm


No, that won't be necessary. There's room for two in the Eredivisie.

The winner of each match is therefore promoted?

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/02/09 at 3:36 pm


The winner of each match is therefore promoted?


Depending on who's winning, yes. If De Graafschap and Roda JC win, they get to stay in Eredivisie. If RKC and SC Cambuur win, they are promoted, and De Graafschap and Roda JC are relegated. Well, you get the idea.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/03/09 at 3:43 pm

Relegation/promotion playoffs, decider matches:
RKC Waalwjk - De Graafschap 1 - 0

RKC Waalwijk are promoted to Eredivisie, whilst De Graafschap are relegated from Eredivisie and play Jupiler League next season.


SC Cambuur - Roda JC  1 - 1 (latest)
Game currently in extra time.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/03/09 at 4:15 pm


Relegation/promotion playoffs, decider matches:
SC Cambuur - Roda JC  1 - 1 (latest)
Game currently in extra time.


SC Cambuur - Roda JC  2 - 2 (AET)

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/03/09 at 4:22 pm

De Fauw (Roda) 0 - 1

M. Jansen (Cambuur) miss

Linssen (R)  0 - 2

R. Jansen (C) 1 - 2

Bodor (R) miss

El Khalifi (C) miss

Lachambre (R) 1 - 3

De Vries (C) miss


Roda win on penalties.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 06/03/09 at 10:42 pm

Saturday and Sunday see what appear to be the final two Hoofdklasse matches of the group stages, with the competition down to just RKVV and WKE in the Sunday games. Rijnsbergse Boys have already sealed their top position in the Saturday group.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/06/09 at 2:46 pm

World Cup qualifying match, June 6:
Iceland - The Netherlands  0 - 2 (HT)

We're totally on top of things in the first half. We've had at least 8 great opportunities to improve on our score (and I'm not exaggerating). Let's hope we keep up the good work in the second half.

If we win (and it sure looks that way) we've qualified for the World Cup 2010 in South Africa, after only 6 matches in group stage. That would be a record for us.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/06/09 at 3:48 pm


World Cup qualifying match, June 6:
Iceland - The Netherlands   1 - 2 (FT)

So we've qualified, but the second half of the game was woeful. We should've won this game by at least 5 goals difference, but we failed to score more in the first half.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/07/09 at 3:38 pm


There's some new developments on the promotion/relegation issue (promotion to/relegation from Eerste Divisie, that is).

Turns out it won't be introduced until 2010/2011 season - so it's been postponed again. I totally missed this.
The 2010/2011 season will also see the introduction of two "Topklasse" divisions of 16 teams each in amateur football: one for Saturday teams, and one for Sunday teams. Under that, there will be six "Hoofdklasse" divisions, with 14 teams each. Mixing the Saturday and Sunday teams proved impossible at this stage.
The overall champion of the Topklasse has the right to promote to Eerste Divisie, but if the team don't want to, the losing finalist gets to promote.


The new structure has been approved by the league of amateur teams, and will be effective as of 2010/2011 season.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Bobo on 06/07/09 at 3:43 pm

Another delay to things. I completely hadn't seen this. Good to see that it's been agreed upon by the teams this time.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/09/09 at 2:14 pm


Another delay to things. I completely hadn't seen this. Good to see that it's been agreed upon by the teams this time.


No no, no delay. It was already scheduled to happen in 2010/2011 season.


On a similar front: the playoff system will be slightly altered from 2009/2010 season on. Instead of a "best of three" series, it will now see only a home and away game, similar to the system used in UEFA Cup/Europa League (i.e. away goals counting double).
Saves a lot of time and trouble.
Also, as from next season, the winter break will be reintroduced. No games from 23 December until 23 January. I don't think this is a wise decision, but so be it.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/10/09 at 3:57 pm

2010 World Cup Qualifier, June 10:

The Netherlands - Norway 2 - 0

Another easy win for us makes it seven from seven in this campaign. Norway had no offensive intentions whatsoever, playing with only one striker and five (defensive) midfielders - which seemed a bit odd, considering they had to win to stay in the race for qualifying. But instead, we got to play our own game (though that wasn't easy on the drenched pitch). It's hard to imagine Norway was once ranked #2 on FIFA rankings.

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Paul on 06/10/09 at 5:50 pm

7 out of 7...well done, Henk...

We've also matched that tonight, so no problems in qualifying for both our nations...

We seem to have the problems when the proper tournament starts!  :D

Subject: Re: 2008-09 in Dutch soccer

Written By: Henk on 06/17/09 at 2:52 pm


On another, and sadder note:

KNVB have revoked the licence of Fortuna Sittard. The team is no longer allowed to play professional soccer, due to their financial situation that doesn't meet KNVB regulations and standards. This means that the team will join the ranks of amateur teams in Hoofdklasse 1, after 41 years of professionalism.
The team is considering to take the matter to court, although they hardly have the means and there's little chance of success.
It's the first time in 17 years that a licence has been revoked. Last time this happened was 1992, when both FC Wageningen and VCV Zeeland were stripped of their professional status.

Jupiler League will be continued with 19 teams instead of 20. A charity match between Fortuna Sittard and Bayern Munich, scheduled for May 31 and meant to raise money for the struggling team, will go ahead as planned.


Judge has ruled in Fortuna Sittard's favor. KNVB should have been more careful and considerate and have therefore unrightfully revoked the licence. Procedure for renewal (or revoking) of the licence will have to start from scratch. In the meantime, Fortuna Sittard are allowed to play professional soccer.

There's two small problems now:
- Fortuna Sittard need to find 16 players
- KNVB need to figure out a new competition schedule (they'd already made one for the remaining 19 teams in Jupiler League)

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