A) 1
B) 4
C) 4
D) 4
E) 2 (but don't really care)
F) 2 (but don't really care)

A) The Name of the contest
  1) Dusty Old Archive
   2) Classics
   3) SCAN

B) Length of Voting
   1) Monthly (like SOTM)
   2) Bi-Weekly (Alternate Weeks to ABC/Artistry) with overlapping entry/voting periods
   3) Bi-Weekly, but not overlapping entry/voting periods
   4) Every Three Weeks with overlapping entry/voting periods

C) Minimum age of song
   1) None
   2) 2 Weeks
   3) 30 Days
   4) 60 Days

D) Past Performance Requirements (It is assumed any song entered into this contest will not be allowed)
   1) SOTM Podium Parodies are not allowed
   2) SOTM and ABC Podium Parodies are not allowed
   3) SOTM, ABC and Artistry Podium Parodies are not allowed
   4) SOTM, ABC, Artistry, Decathlon 1-2, and Ages Podium Parodies are not allowed
   5) All Parodies are eligible

E) Tie Breaking Procedure
   1) SOTM Tie Breaking Procedure (broken by highest votes (1st-2nd-3rd-4th) left tied at that point)   2) No Tie Breaking Procedure (If tied, both people receive higher rank, one rank skipped - - IE 1st, 1st, 3rd- - like other comps)

F) Host
    1) One host
    2) Revolving Hosts (IE Winner of each round, or highest ranked person for those who don't want the duty)

A) The Name of the contest
  1) Dusty Old Archive
  2) Classics
  3) SCAN

B) Length of Voting
  1) Monthly (like SOTM)
  2) Bi-Weekly (Alternate Weeks to ABC/Artistry) with overlapping entry/voting periods
  3) Bi-Weekly, but not overlapping entry/voting periods
  4) Every Three Weeks with overlapping entry/voting periods

C) Minimum age of song
  1) None
  2) 2 Weeks
  3) 30 Days
  4) 60 Days

D) Past Performance Requirements (It is assumed any song entered into this contest will not be allowed)
  1) SOTM Podium Parodies are not allowed
  2) SOTM and ABC Podium Parodies are not allowed
  3) SOTM, ABC and Artistry Podium Parodies are not allowed
  4) SOTM, ABC, Artistry, Decathlon 1-2, and Ages Podium Parodies are not allowed
  5) All Parodies are eligible

E) Tie Breaking Procedure
  1) SOTM Tie Breaking Procedure (broken by highest votes (1st-2nd-3rd-4th) left tied at that point)
  2) No Tie Breaking Procedure (If tied, both people receive higher rank, one rank skipped - - IE 1st, 1st, 3rd- - like other comps)

F) Host
    1) One host
    2) Revolving Hosts (IE Winner of each round, or highest ranked person for those who don't want the duty)

A) 2- Classic

B) 3-Bi Weekly but not overlapping

C) 4-60 Days

D) 3-SOTM, ABC and Artistry Podium Parodies are not allowed

E) 1-SOTM Tie Breaking Procedure

F) 1-One Host

This is a great way to build a contest, voting on each thing. . .It will be a true community competition.

Let me clarify that I don't really care who hosts any comp, as long as they are capable.

Guy would you mind if I started a voting thread on the issues at hand?

What I'm thinking a voting thread for. . .

A) The Name of the contest
   1) Dusty Old Archive
   2) Classics
   3) SCAN

B) Length of Voting
   1) Monthly (like SOTM)
   2) Bi-Weekly (Alternate Weeks to ABC/Artistry) with overlapping entry/voting periods
   3) Bi-Weekly, but not overlapping entry/voting periods
   4) Every Three Weeks with overlapping entry/voting periods

C) Minimum age of song
   1) None
   2) 2 Weeks
   3) 30 Days
   4) 60 Days

D) Past Performance Requirements (It is assumed any song entered into this contest will not be allowed)
   1) SOTM Podium Parodies are not allowed
   2) SOTM and ABC Podium Parodies are not allowed
   3) SOTM, ABC and Artistry Podium Parodies are not allowed
   4) SOTM, ABC, Artistry, Decathlon 1-2, and Ages Podium Parodies are not allowed
   5) All Parodies are eligible

E) Tie Breaking Procedure
   1) SOTM Tie Breaking Procedure (broken by highest votes (1st-2nd-3rd-4th) left tied at that point)
   2) No Tie Breaking Procedure (If tied, both people receive higher rank, one rank skipped - - IE 1st, 1st, 3rd- - like other comps)

F) Host
    1) One host
    2) Revolving Hosts (IE Winner of each round, or highest ranked person for those who don't want the duty)

Any other issues I should include, or additional choices that should be made before poll is posted?


BAD - I like it - please go for posting the questions.  I will volunteer to run this comp with one stipulation.  I'd like an alternate who could change off with me like from comp to comp or when one of us gets tied up the other could host the comp.  I may be premature with this thought and I'll bite my tongue on it until the voting on the issues completes.  Also, I may have chosen a bad time to attempt to get another comp going.  Summer (in the northern hemisphere)  is always slower on the site.  I'm thinking that we could have all the planning business concluded by say mid September.  At that time we could start the comps perhaps?  And thank you so much for compiling the lists of questions that must be answered before this or any comp can be put into operation.  One question - Does "Podium" mean a win place or show in a comp?  If not please explain this term to me.  That 2 1/2 year gap of not being on the site daily has left me clueless on a few things so I have to ask what appear to be dumb questions.   ;)

Podium refers to the top 3 spots in a given competition, so 'place' would be another good way to look at it.  I choose that instead of medal because of things like "Fuca" being a technical Medal that shouldn't be a factor in qualification, and because Artistry has it's own set of awards too. . .so I figured it's important to define that only an actual podium song is disqualified, not other award winners ;)

Oh and I agree Mid-September is a good start date. . .

Matthias would be a good alternating host, I know he hasn't hosted a big contest in a little while, but if he or no one else is up for it, I'd be willing to share duties, AmIRight Idol will be almost done by then and hopefully the database will be too,reducing my work load. . .

Sorry that I haven't been around to contribute to this discussion everyone

I understand everyone's points about the ABC's.  It's a comp that by definition of its rules can't continue forever anyway, because for instance an ABC9 would have very few parodists eligible with 9 worthy L-parodies, etc, and if they did, the quality of the entries would be really starting to deteriorate.

From my point of view, I have pretty well run out of parodies, and have definitely felt embarrassed about entering the likes of "You and Me Betty..." and "SheDevil's Showdown With Jennifer" and other previous SOTM medallists, but I was just plain out of options and I still wanted to enter.

As such, I would be struggling to enter any ABC5 rounds at all, and so I would have been retiring as host anyway - so given those 2 aspects, I don't really have any right to argue (on my own) that ABC5 should continue under the hosting of someone else.

I am a little sad to see it go though - I took the ABC's VERY seriously (maybe because it took me something like 20 rounds before I won one) and I liked the opportunity it gave people to present older works, and I liked the idea of having to wait for a round to show off a particular parody - and I also liked the fact that you could write a parody with a future ABC comp in mind, that might be 6 months away (especially if you're one of the less prolific parodists like myself who sometimes needed 6 months to start and complete a parody)

soooo... the upshot is that I'm fully behind the "dusty old archives" comp, or whatever takes the place of the ABC's, especially as this new comp seems as though it will serve all or most of the above purposes the ABCs served anyway.

...but I must say I did like the idea of the "Phone-dial" comp (was that your idea Guy?) - that was a very cool idea - maybe someone could do a spin ( :-[)  on that idea as well


stu

Kwitcherbitchin.  ::)  :) There's only a core group of die-hard contest participants who would be even remotely interested in joining something else, and most of them are here.


Yikes!!!  :o  My bad!  I really didn't mean that.  I'm just an excitable boy.   ;D  And I really wouldn't a dun it anyhow, honest.  ::) 

And yes Stu - the phone dial idea is mine.  Thanks!

Stu brings up a good point about the viability of the ABCs continuing. As I mentioned above, there just seems to be a core group of individuals, about 5 or 6, who have been continually entering rounds, and this is most indicative in the latter half of the run. Doesn't seem like more have the interest to really carry it on.

This go-round was the first time I really made an effort to enter every single letter. Further attempts to force an 'x' or 'z' out of me may be too much of a strain on the creative juices.  ;D As we go into the symbols/#s round one more time and have the prospect of the DOAC around the corner, I would agree that this would be an opportune time to retire our well-storied ABC competition, raise a few beers in its honor and give it a sincere burial while it's still good.

Any other thoughts?

Stu brings up a good point about the viability of the ABCs continuing. As I mentioned above, there just seems to be a core group of individuals, about 5 or 6, who have been continually entering rounds, and this is most indicative in the latter half of the run. Doesn't seem like more have the interest to really carry it on.

This go-round was the first time I really made an effort to enter every single letter. Further attempts to force an 'x' or 'z' out of me may be too much of a strain on the creative juices.  ;D As we go into the symbols/#s round one more time and have the prospect of the DOAC around the corner, I would agree that this would be an opportune time to retire our well-storied ABC competition, raise a few beers in its honor and give it a sincere burial while it's still good.

Any other thoughts?


I agree, The ABC will still have it's place in my database remembering all it's good years, and who know a few years down the line maybe enough new parodists will be around and us established ones will have new entries, and we can consider bringing it back, but for the immediate future, it looks as though the long running 5 season ABC has reached an end to it's very long road. . .

I agree, The ABC will still have it's place in my database remembering all it's good years, and who know a few years down the line maybe enough new parodists will be around and us established ones will have new entries, and we can consider bringing it back, but for the immediate future, it looks as though the long running 5 season ABC has reached an end to it's very long road. . .


BAD - I agree with everything you say here and I second that motion.  Funny thing - as I was reading your post I had the same thought about letting it lie dormant for a few years and then resurrect it again.  And then I read the rest of your "story". So I was thinking exactly as you were.  And Stu's input was spot on about getting burned out on ABC.  Does anyone wish for me to start a poll on thumbs up or thumbs down for ABC and say run it for a week and then we all abide by the results of the poll?  Or should we just put it up for a vote on this thread?

BAD - I agree with everything you say here and I second that motion.  Funny thing - as I was reading your post I had the same thought about letting it lie dormant for a few years and then resurrect it again.  And then I read the rest of your "story". So I was thinking exactly as you were.  And Stu's input was spot on about getting burned out on ABC.  Does anyone wish for me to start a poll on thumbs up or thumbs down for ABC and say run it for a week and then we all abide by the results of the poll?  Or should we just put it up for a vote on this thread?





For those who may not be following this closely, I'd say poll it as it's own thread, and if it is voted to be kept alive, then we'll need someone to step up for Stu as he's done for all of us so long.

For those who may not be following this closely, I'd say poll it as it's own thread, and if it is voted to be kept alive, then we'll need someone to step up for Stu as he's done for all of us so long.


I second the motion on the poll.  Lets please have another yay or two and I will start a poll.

Edit: - I gave this some thought since I posted.  What harm can it do to post a poll now?  If the rest of the interested parties vote down the poll then it won't need to count for anything.  This way we can get an early jump on the poll.  I was half asleep when I posted the first part of this reply and my brain was not running on all of its cylinders..

The "New Parody Competition" poll has concluded with 5 Yays (83.3%) and one lone Nay (16.7%).  Is this enough interest to consider moving on with this contest idea?

What if we ran it like ABC with the same turn around time but make the next ABC round start right in the middle of the new contest's cycle?  This way they would always be opposite each other. 



That would work.  :)


I'm also not understanding the problem with having the same parody in two different comps at the same time. . . Someone give me a clue what the problem is with that? 


Well, putting aside for a moment my own belief that having a parody in two or more contests simultaneously usually works against the author, SOTM and ABC winners are ineligible for this contest... meaning that if a parody is in this comp and one of those two, and places 1st, 2nd or 3rd in one of those two, it's no longer an eligble entry in this contest IMHO, which would get messy if voting has already started in this contest.

A 30 day old parody isn't dusty or a classic, which is another reason I suggested 60 days.


Next - Secret entry and secret ballot?  It was done once by Claude Prez for a halloween comp.  Everyone posted a parody on amiright to the OS "Who Can It Be Now?" by Men At Work, is it?  Everyone who entered wrote to the same OS but used a fake name as the author.  Parodies were listed for voting.  When the comp ended everyone "unmasked" declaring which one was their own.  Then anyone that wanted to could resubmit the parody under their real name.


I remember the Halloween 04 round - great idea and concept. I was thinking about something different here though. By "secret entry", one would publically indicate (on the entry thread) that they are going to be in the contest, but the actual parody being entered would be sent to the organizer of the contest via PM or something. Votes could be done the same way. Just a thought...

This has been suggested before but is probably too much work for the entrants and whoever heads up the contest.

Ant

That would work.  :)

Well, putting aside for a moment my own belief that having a parody in two or more contests simultaneously usually works against the author, SOTM and ABC winners are ineligible for this contest... meaning that if a parody is in this comp and one of those two, and places 1st, 2nd or 3rd in one of those two, it's no longer an eligble entry in this contest IMHO, which would get messy if voting has already started in this contest.

A 30 day old parody isn't dusty or a classic, which is another reason I suggested 60 days.

I remember the Halloween 04 round - great idea and concept. I was thinking about something different here though. By "secret entry", one would publically indicate (on the entry thread) that they are going to be in the contest, but the actual parody being entered would be sent to the organizer of the contest via PM or something. Votes could be done the same way. Just a thought...

This has been suggested before but is probably too much work for the entrants and whoever heads up the contest.

Ant


Ant cast a vote, I posted it earlier in the thread, right now if memory serves me right, on that question--60 days is winning.

That would work.  :)

Well, putting aside for a moment my own belief that having a parody in two or more contests simultaneously usually works against the author, SOTM and ABC winners are ineligible for this contest... meaning that if a parody is in this comp and one of those two, and places 1st, 2nd or 3rd in one of those two, it's no longer an eligble entry in this contest IMHO, which would get messy if voting has already started in this contest.

A 30 day old parody isn't dusty or a classic, which is another reason I suggested 60 days.

I remember the Halloween 04 round - great idea and concept. I was thinking about something different here though. By "secret entry", one would publically indicate (on the entry thread) that they are going to be in the contest, but the actual parody being entered would be sent to the organizer of the contest via PM or something. Votes could be done the same way. Just a thought...

This has been suggested before but is probably too much work for the entrants and whoever heads up the contest.

Ant


5 Yays in the poll will carry then so I'll second that.  However I am not in favor of the 60 day rule.  I'll compromise - let's say 45 days.  The poll to keep ABC alive seems to be carrying with an over 70% of votes cast in favor of keeping it.

I'm for it.

Post from the poll to keep ABC going



After reading Dave's post, I like the idea of bracketing the letters in twos - very simple
(and I would be able to find parodies myself to enter with that large a net to cast ::))

so I would be prepared to host ABC5 under the following arrangement...

***  13 rounds, letters bracketed in twos (with symbols being added to the YZ round)
***  best 7 scores wins (so even if you miss the first half, you can still come from behind and win)
***  3 weeks between comps (2 weeks was killing me!)

I don't want to put it to a vote, because I might end up back where we started

Is everyone okay with that?

I'm happy for it to not be run that way, as long as somebody else hosts it! ;)





I moved this quote from the keep ABC poll.  All matters related to the DOAC should be on one thread.

This post was copied from the ABC poll thread so that all input could be on one thread as to avoid confusion and keep any holes filled in during this debate process.

Posted on: August 27, 2008, 03:52:53 PMPosted by: Below Average Dave 
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It appears, with a 7-2 vote thus far--There is actually a lot of interest in both the new COMP and the ABC. . .Stu has said he wishes to retire at the end of this cycle as host, though I hope that does not mean he's leaving contests all together. . .

There are questions that must be answered to keep ABC running. . .

Who wants to step up and take over ABC.  If I am hosting Artistry/SOTM/POTQ and helping Guy with DOA until someone takes it over, we really need a new host to step up for Stu, maybe he has someone in mind--I don't know.

More pressing to me is the rounds

I think that for the next cycle, the following should be done, looking for conversation. . .

A) Turn ABC into an annual competition that combines letters into 13 rounds.
    A/B, C/D, E/F, G/H, I/J, K/L, M/N, O/P, Q/R, S/T, U/V, W/X, Y/Z

    Count all 13 Rounds towards Author of the Tournament since the reason it was being counted that way initially was it was unreasonable
       to expect anyone to have an entry into all 26 letters and the numbers round.

    I think the Numbers/Symbol round should be eliminated.  We ignore "A" and "The" right now in a title for alphabetization, I don't see why
       we can't do the same with symbols (Though in honesty I've never seen an entry into that round that wasn't a number anyway)  If a
       song was named after a symbol, symbols have spellings anyway (IE $=Dollar Sign, thus it could be a "D" round entry just as the word 
       "The" as a parody title would qualify for the T round)

    Numbers have spellings too.  0=Zero, thus it's a "Z" round entry, 4 is "F", 22 is "T", 100 is "O", there is no need to have that round when
       we can have those parodies qualify for any given round that spells it
 
   **For the record this is all my opinion, feel free to comment, I realize they are alphabetized differently but I really feel strongly that they
      should not have their own round, it would help some of the tough letters out too. . .as you see above "F", "O" and "Z" are all weak

    Because the comp would be shortened to 13 rounds, I think we could have the parody of the tournament expanded to be the top 2 songs
      from each round as often (as we've seen in SOTY) a parody that placed 2nd (or even 3rd) can beat the song that placed ahead of it
      with the additional voters who may not have been around that month.

B) Combine tough letters only, leave strong ones by themselves
     A, B, C, D, each get their own round
     E and F get combined as neither letter are all the strong
     G and H get combined for the same reason
     I gets it's own round
     J and K get combined as neither are terribly strong
     L, M, N each get their own round
     O and P get combined, P is probably strong enough, but it's not terribly strong--and O being a weak one could help out P
     Q and R get combined, similar to above, R can stand on it's own, but it's not the strongest letter, and Q is a weak letter
     S and T each get their own round
     U, V, and W get combined as one round. . .W is the strongest late letter in the alphabet and could carry U and V--both of which struggle
     X, Y and Z get combined as one round. . .Y is strong enough because of "You" variations, X and Z don't hurt it.

*****************************************************
I may be the only one who thinks this way, I don't know. . .I know Red Ant liked the idea of combining certain letters too, it may be tougher on whoever hosts it to do option "B" but ultimately combining letters is the only way we can keep ABC strong.

If people are absolutely against ending the #s/Symbols round, it can be added to the Y/Z round in option A or the X/Y/Z round in option B--though as I stated above--it's really not a necessary round, and I do think not having it could actually help the other letters (IE the first two entries into set 4 are "404" parodies, that'd help "F", one of the weaker letters as noted above)
Posted on: August 22, 2008, 05:11:22 AMPosted by: DoRitos 
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After 4 rounds, many of the regular ABC competitors are running out of entries especially for difficult letters like "Q", "X" and "Z".  Round 4 is nearing completion of its cycle. A concensus is to replace it with what may be called the DOAC.  Dusty Old Archives Comp.  See thread on this page.  Options are:  Option 1 - keep it going.  Option 2 - retire it and after a few years when new blood comes to the site and the regulars have had time to replenish parodies with all letters of the alphabet decide to resurrect it.  OR NOT.  Poll will run for one week starting on 22 Aug 08. 

Edit:  This portion was replied to BAD from Doritos on the ABC poll and copied here:

Yes indeed my poll is over and it overwhelmingly stated that ABC should continue.  I made a motion over a week ago that we use the telephone dial which would create a lot less rounds so maybe, you BAD, have the better idea for this.  I'm still in favor of having 2 separate rounds for numbers and symbols.  Heck, we are at that number/symbol part of the comp. now with ABC and it would allow plenty of time for anyone to get something into round 5 for these. Seems like all we now need is a general concensus on the rules of the game and the structure changes proposed.  I'm going to copy and paste this to the DOAC thread as all posting on this should be on one thread not two.

This thread has seen no input or activity since Aug 29, 2008 and the last input to it was posted my me.  Given that, and the fact that the conclusion of the ABC round has been voted down overwhelmingly in a poll, may I assume that there is no further interest in starting this comp?  If so then lets drop the whole idea.  Any seconds?