To the person(s) who submitted the above examples.

car and far rhyme to many, many people.  Listen to how he sings the song not how you speak.

'rillo and pillow rhyme to many many people.

I'll accept that dawning and morning are not exact rhymes but they are so close as to be indistinguishable.

How can dyin' and tryin' not rhyme?  I'm with Ed on this one.

wall and all not rhyme.  Have you gone deaf or something?

and so on and so on.

BTW many people do not pronounce been as "bin", just because you do does not make the rest of the population wrong.  In fact it's consider the "common" or slang way to pronounce the word where I live.

LOL !  I am the Editor responsible for misrhymed lyrics.  I have even done some parodies and therefore been responsible for some in a different way  :)

I have long since considered starting a thread about this, and given someone else now has, I will make my editing position clear.


To take the first example :

The thing is that these two words don't rhyme in North American English where "leisure" rhymes with "seizure" but they do rhyme in other dialects.  Now, do you judge a British band's rhyming against the standards of North American English?  "Leisure" and "pleasure" rhyme perfectly in Scouse (the dialect spoken in Liverpool).  The words rhyme the way the Beatles sung them.

The concept of "North American English" is just as amusing to me as "Australian English" or "New Zealand English" (the only people who have sex between five and seven  ;))...

There is simply English, and then there are dialects as you point out.  Leisure and pleasure rhyme perfectly where I come from as well, and I am half a world away from Merseyside.  Then again, I am just as accepting of leisure and seizure rhyming, because I understand that in North America, they do.

I could go on forever.  I say "can't" with a "carnt" sound rather than "can" with a T on the end.  On the other hand, I say "France" and "Plant" with an "an" sound (as in 'ran') instead of with an "ar" sound (Frarnce and plarnt).  Half the people in Australia say "Newcastle" with an "at" sound (New-cass-el) and half use an "ar" sound (New-car-stle).  I say "Coventry" with the same "o" sound as in "cop", but some people say it with a "u" sound as in the Ark of the "covenent" (Cuv-en-try).  There are four valid ways of saying "wrath" that I know of.  "Roth" - with an "o" sound as heard it "cot", "rarth" (with an "are" sound), "roarth" or "rath".  You can go on and on and on yet all are correct, or all are incorrect, depending on your level of tunnel vision  ;)

But to apply all of these variations strictly and assume that whatever yourself, as an individual, believes, without any consideration for variation in dialects and the effect they have on speech patterns - well, it's just asking for trouble  :o

So the basic rules I got by when editing misheard lyrics are these :

I do not approve submissions where the submitter points out specifically that it does not rhyme in America.  Comments such as "It may rhyme to the British but it doesn't rhyme here" are flawed on two fronts.  On one hand the submitter is admitting that it does rhyme somewhere else.  Secondly, 'here" ?  The 'www' in www.amiright.com stands for WORLD wide web... ;)  A peruse of of the misrhymed lyrics pages reveals a lot of "funny accent" type comments - from previous submitters.  All I will say to that is "by whose standard" ?  We ALL have funny accents.  I find it highly amusing that my best friend on this board pronounces Squirrel with one syllable !  To me, it sounds for all the world like "Squirl".  Doesn't make her wrong (even though I told her she was)  :P

Examples such as "been" and "seen" not rhyming rarely get past because as Karen has correctly pointed out, the pronunciation of "been" as "bin" is slang in my opinion as well.  Not saying that this makes it wrong.  As a striney type expression I may well say to a friend "How ya bin?".  But I know the word is "been".

The other examples of what do not get past are the dreaded "car" not rhyming with "far" argument.  They are from a certain repeat poster (by his own admission) - so now they all get wiped out.  As I said in another thread on the subject, I can put them in my circular file much faster than the submitter can submit them  :)

The other stuff that has been listed sometimes gets through with an Ed's comment, because it just seems too bizarre to be true.  Sometimes it is more fun that way.  :)

The best one (to my mind) was Chris De B*rgh's 'Lady In Red'...

...okay, 'dance' and 'chance', I'll give him that...

...but sticking 'romarnce' in there...?!!

(And the song's crap too...!!)

The best one (to my mind) was Chris De B*rgh's 'Lady In Red'...

...okay, 'dance' and 'chance', I'll give him that...

...but sticking 'romarnce' in there...?!!

(And the song's crap too...!!)


Agreed, specially the last sentiment  :D  Commercial BS at it's zenith  :)

Agreed, specially the last sentiment  :D  Commercial BS at it's zenith  :)


Heh!

In which case, Luke ('specially as it's you...)

...I won't push you toward a certain Mr Gurvitz doing amazing things with 'classic', 'attic' and 'addict'...!!

(Oh, sorry! I just did...!!)

Heh!

In which case, Luke ('specially as it's you...)

...I won't push you toward a certain Mr Gurvitz doing amazing things with 'classic', 'attic' and 'addict'...!!

(Oh, sorry! I just did...!!)


Hey Paul ! What a memory !  :o

Post it here then :

http://www.amiright.com/real/submitmis.shtml

and see if I approve it  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The best one (to my mind) was Chris De B*rgh's 'Lady In Red'...

...okay, 'dance' and 'chance', I'll give him that...

...but sticking 'romarnce' in there...?!!

(And the song's crap too...!!)


But I would say romance. There is no second 'r' there.

"Dawning" and "morning" rhyme perfectly for me (being a speaker of a non-rhotic dialect) & for many many others as do "been" and "seen".  There are other good examples of this accent thing.  As for the others B&Q mentions, well, I guess the submitter has a rare accent, a hearing problem, doesn't know what a rhyme is, is lying or is simply nuts.

"But to apply all of these variations strictly and assume that whatever yourself, as an individual, believes, without any consideration for variation in dialects and the effect they have on speech patterns - well, it's just asking for trouble" you write, FussBudgetVanPelt.  I agree absolutely and I think that this is what's happening here.

Perhaps ~*^Girl^*~ (and others) posted her(their) comment(s) not without consideration of variation but without knowledge of it.  But once it's noticed that the claimed misrhyme is no misrhyme then shouldn't something be done?  Shouldn't it be done whether or not the poster acknowledges the variation or not?

Perhaps, as you suggest, FussBudgetVanPelt, it would be best to put it through with an Ed's comment, yeah, that could be more fun.  Otherwise, why not just remove it?

But I would say romance. There is no second 'r' there.


You must have scared Paul off as he didn't submit it  ;D

"Dawning" and "morning" rhyme perfectly for me (being a speaker of a non-rhotic dialect) & for many many others as do "been" and "seen".  There are other good examples of this accent thing.  As for the others B&Q mentions, well, I guess the submitter has a rare accent, a hearing problem, doesn't know what a rhyme is, is lying or is simply nuts.

"But to apply all of these variations strictly and assume that whatever yourself, as an individual, believes, without any consideration for variation in dialects and the effect they have on speech patterns - well, it's just asking for trouble" you write, FussBudgetVanPelt.  I agree absolutely and I think that this is what's happening here.

Perhaps ~*^Girl^*~ (and others) posted her(their) comment(s) not without consideration of variation but without knowledge of it.  But once it's noticed that the claimed misrhyme is no misrhyme then shouldn't something be done?  Shouldn't it be done whether or not the poster acknowledges the variation or not?

Perhaps, as you suggest, FussBudgetVanPelt, it would be best to put it through with an Ed's comment, yeah, that could be more fun.  Otherwise, why not just remove it?


I meant to address this in my original message, Jim.

Currently, the editing process only allows me to accept, reject, or modify new entries.  I have no ability to change anything that is already on there (including the one mentioned in the second post where it erroneously claims "No Milk Today" was by The Monkees... :(

It is something that Chuck (site owner) is working on, but at the moment editors cannot make retrospective changes.

I can understand the regional accent problems, but what planet are the rest of these idiots living on? :o

I can understand the regional accent problems, but what planet are the rest of these idiots living on? :o


You wouldn't BELIEVE how many submissions I throw out  :o  I sit there and try and work out how some of the things that get submitted couldn't rhyme...and I can't do it !

I can't make the words NOT rhyme  :o ;D ;D ;D

You wouldn't BELIEVE how many submissions I throw out  :o  I sit there and try and work out how some of the things that get submitted couldn't rhyme...and I can't do it !

I can't make the words NOT rhyme  :o ;D ;D ;D


Clearly you have the wrong 'funny accent'  ;)

Clearly you have the wrong 'funny accent'  ;)


That, or I don't talk goodly enough  :)