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Okay. There are all these newfangled bands (good charlotte, sum41, simple plan, new found glory, not by choice), that we all just can't put our fingers on. Are they punk, pop, rock, a combination of all three? well, I have the answer. There is a new genre of music in town and it is....garage! Young and punkish with a pop-y feel.  Does this make sense?

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#1 Garage isnt new, and it definitly isnt those crappy bands....calling them garage is an insult to real garage bands such as the outsiders, the Standells, the count 5, the Rascals, the Strokes, the Stones Joan Jett, the Ramones, and others that can fall into that catorgory (and yes, the Ramones and the Strokes (or at least I say they are) are punk, but they overlap into this catorgory, and the early stones do too)

#2  Now, i would LOVe to know where the hell you got that definition for garage...cause its wrong

#3  I think Ive figured out a name for these new bands...crap!  They suck..they are Blink 182 clones (Blink sucks too), which really was a crappy and more popish version of Green Day, which was a more popish version of Husker Du, which was influenced by the Sex pistols, which is a band that I hate and wish never existed.  It is generic no-talent  pop molded into a punk look , and an unfinished sound...which people who dont know what real punk is, assume it is punk (and thank you Offspring for this!).  Hopefully these bands will fade away soon, and let real "Punk" bands (ie The White Stripes, the Hives, the Strokes, the BRMC) take over and show people what punk really is (And yes, I know that wever gotten into the argument of the Strokes being real punk before, but they are much closer than NFG!)

and finally, to answer your question...their genre name is officially pop punk (some people call them emo, which is kinda wrong, but also kinda right...its hard to explane...Ill just put it like this..emo is a variation of Punk..theres no big difference...actully, re-phrase..emo is a variation of New Wave, which is a variation of punk)...anyway..dont call them garage....if you actully call them garage in public, Im sure that some Real garage rock band will do something rash to you because you are grouping Good Charlotte with them  

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You don't like the Sex Pistols but you like The White Stripes??  Will wonders never cease...

And it's not like the "new rock" aren't rehashes of rehashes either...

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no, i dont like the sex pistols...and yes, the "new rock" as you call it (which is in essence the garage rock/punk I was talking about) is rehashes of rehashes...I didnt say that was bad...in fact its good that there are bands now that are reviving old bands genres...I like it....I just dont like the sex pistols..I dont know why really..oh wait, I do, I dont like their music, or the people in the band (Sid Vicious was an a$$, and so is Johnny Rotten)  I think that punk would have done fine without them, because so many bad bands spawned from the sex pistols (ie Black Flag, Husker du, Butthole surfers, Cicrle Jerks, Dead kennedys {Sorry, I know that there are DK's fans here, but I just dont like them}), and I could have really done without those bands....Im not a punk rocker, nor have I ever called myself punk in any fashion...nor am I Avril Lavigne (Nor want to be)...so I dont think that not liking the sex pistols is bitting the hand that feeds me (to answer your post Junior)...Ill come clean on something else...Im not a Ramones fans either...I dont really like alot of what they did (there is some I like), but I give them complete respect for what they did, and who they influenced (even though they did influence the sex pistols)..I still believe that if it werent for them we would have half the great bands today (ie U2, REM, Pearl jam, Nirvana, Strokes, Hives, BRMC, ...)as Eddie Vedder said "Everyone in music owes something to Joey Ramone"...and its the truth...so, I hope that explanes myself

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I call it pop. ;D


WTF? White Stripes, Strokes, Hives are punk? Um, no. It's called Indie (or, "new rock", like Kenny mentioned).

And yes, I was thinking the same thing Kenny. The Sex Pistols, they are the ORIGINAL punk band. The ones that started it all. That's biting the hand that feeeds you, if you don't like them, Billy.

ETA: Bwahahahaha! It's true, it's true! Simple Plan is listed as pop on MuchMusic. 4 Words: I. Told.  You. So. ::)
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I answered part f this in my reply to Kenny, but Ive got to answer the rest here...Sex pistols are not the original punk band....they were just the most famous because of their attitude..not talent, or being first....The Ramones came before them, and were the sex pistols main influence...the CLash came before them, and all proto-punk bands came before them...(ie Iggy pop and the stooges, Television, Patti Smith, VU, NY Dolls, Roxy Music, MC5, etc...)  and pleany of punk bands that were comtemperarys to them took no influence from them (ie Talking heads, Blondie, Elvis Costello...etc)

Now, the other part...White Stripes, Strokes and Hives are punkish (I consider them punk because they possess more aspects of punk than bands like NFG and NoFX do)..I can see why alot of people dont think that they are punk, and thats alright, cause they are VERY garage rockish.  Strokes are almost clones of Nuggetts, while adding in parts of the Stones, but also, talking a great deal (including image) from the Ramones...just look, the leather jackets, the jeans...plus talking a little from their sound...dont believe me, listen to "Rockaway beach" and "Blitzkrieg bop" by the Ramones, and tell me that the Strokes couldnt pull that off as well....White Stripes, well, they are definitly punk, they are sheer striped down rock and roll (which is what punk is!)  they are also garage rockish, but I think of them more as punk than garage rock..the Hives...theyre another combo..they have aspects of garage rock, but alot more aspects of proto-punk in them (listen to stuff from the Stooges and MC5 as see the similarities)......all proto punk bands are similar to garage, and all '77 punk bands (just to differentiate) are kinda similar to garage as well (including sex pistols)...infact, all those punk bands took much of their influence from the garage rock of the 60s....

Now you use the term "Indie"...alot of people use that term and dont know what it means...Indie is a type of label, and the term has been incorrectly placed upon bands on those labels...that is wrong...you would call Public image limited indie , would you?  (They suck too, by the way)...Indie labels are just labels that arent part of the big, was is it now, 4?...they sprung up after all the mergers and every thing.  Now, the term got placed upon bands, because in the begining most of the bands that they held were the same kind of underground punk bands...like Green day..then they all became popular (and left the indie labels)  It is a contradiction to call a popular band like the Strokes "indie"..especially since theyre signed to RCA!  RCA is far from an Indie label...White Stripes , I think are signed to Columbia (i might be wrong on that) and I forget whatthe Hives are signed to, but its not an Indie label.... more or less, Kenny's term of "new rock" is a better title for them than Indie, but that even wrong considering the fact that its not new at all, and they basicly are a throwback to the garage..but still..INXS is still called "modern rock" lol....anyway, I hope you understand what Im saying  ;)

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Okay, I'm sorry I struck a couple nerves there, sometimes I wonder why everyone is so protective of "punk" these days. And when I say garage I mean, that's where they started out. Most of the bands I named were just a bunch of kids that wanted to have fun, and said, hey, let's make a band. And I would know this kinda thing cuz I plan on being in one. So yeah, sorry ya'll if i offended, but geeze, lighten up.
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lol, its alright Shellygal...you just got to understand, I made a big deal because Im a big garage rock fan, and I hate the likes of Sum 41 and all...also, the term garage rock originaly came from what youre saying..and band that started out by getting together and playing music...in a garage (who would of thought?), but after the whole outbreak of it in the 60s, it came to mean a certain sound and all...a sound that the pop punk bands dont have....
Sorry if I got out of hand...

but I still advise you never to call Good Charlotte garage in front of real garage rockers ;)

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I think that punk would have done fine without them, because so many bad bands spawned from the sex pistols (ie Black Flag, Husker du, Butthole surfers, Cicrle Jerks, Dead kennedys {Sorry, I know that there are DK's fans here, but I just dont like them}),
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Dude, never EVER insult Husker Du around me again.  

The Strokes, The Hives, The White Stripes will never come close to the greatness of the original garage rock bands.  (Black Rebel Motorcycle Club might have a shot.)  They're not BAD, per se, and all of them have at least a coule really good songs, but they're wannabes, they're pure hype and they're completely unoriginal (not something that could be said about the Kennedys or the Huskers.)

I will heartily agree with you that Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious were both complete a**es.  But Rotten was at least a smart and entertaining one.

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The Strokes have neither the uncontrived energy nor the caliber of vocalist that could pull either of these songs off with any ability whatsoever.  I knew the Ramones.  I worked with the Ramones.  And these men, sir, are no Ramones.

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Funny.  I consider about half of those as great bands.  

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but I still advise you never to call Good Charlotte garage in front of real garage rockers ;)
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It's okay, I kickbox.  ;D

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Why do people get so pissy when someone puts the wrong tag on their favorite music? IT'S NOT YOUR MUSIC!

Do you think bands like The Ramones, The White Stripes, The Strokes, The Stones sat around while they were writing music saying "I hope nobody puts our music in the wrong category"?

Ask any of these bands what they think and they'll tell you that they couldn't care less what category people think their music should be in.

Being punk is writing music that's true to yourself, there is no script for how a punk album should look or sound. And if there is a script, than it ain't punk.
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actully, Im very sure that the Ramones cared very much about what catorgory they wre put in...I dont think that they would have liked being pput in the same catorgory as the likes of Styx, Kansas, and Journey...


Being punk isnt writing music thats true to yourself...that seems more like singer/songwriter music to me (ie James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Al Stewart...)..some punk songs didnt really even have much meaning ( "Rockaway beach" comes to mind)..some did too..some were political statements and the such...so what the hell am I saying? lol.....anyway..there is not blueprint for punk...that is completely correct....but that was originally the correct statement....now, there is a blueprint for punk..or at least thats what bands like NFG and Blink are trying to tell you...if you dont realize it, they are theying to follow a blueprint, and thats why they suck...a real punk band never did follow a blueprint...they did what they wanted...when they wanted....I know someone (I dont know him well..I more or less know him from being online...) I know someone who was in the early 80s British/Canadian punk band the Generics....youve probably never heard of them, but they were one of the first bands that came out after punk was considered bad (If I remember the link to his website, Ill post it)...but anyway, he can tell you that they followed no blueprint for being a punk band..they played the Sex pistols and had the attitude of the Ramones....all in a time when being punk was considered wrong...

anyway, Im going on a tangent...do you understand what Im saying?

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Why do people get so pissy when someone puts the wrong tag on their favorite music? IT'S NOT YOUR MUSIC!

Do you think bands like The Ramones, The White Stripes, The Strokes, The Stones sat around while they were writing music saying "I hope nobody puts our music in the wrong category"?

Ask any of these bands what they think and they'll tell you that they couldn't care less what category people think their music should be in.

Being punk is writing music that's true to yourself, there is no script for how a punk album should look or sound. And if there is a script, than it ain't punk.
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I LOVE YOU, resinchaser!!!!!!!
Sorry. But you just made a very good point. Thank ya.  ;D

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Do you think bands like The Ramones, The White Stripes, The Strokes, The Stones sat around while they were writing music saying "I hope nobody puts our music in the wrong category"?
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If you labelled the White Stripes as pop, I guarantee you that Jack White would throw a hissy fit and whine about how he's being put in the wrong category.  'Cause that's just the kind of guy he is.  

If the press started calling The Strokes, say, a hip-hop group, I'm sure they'd want to let it known that they are definitely not.  

Labels are important, sadly.  Everyone's got their own conception of what kind of music they make.

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I'll just keep calling them pop-punk, it's less confusing, thankyouverymuch.
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This reminds me of the ska-punk bands of the late nineties. I labeled them "Skunk".

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If you labelled the White Stripes as pop, I guarantee you that Jack White would throw a hissy fit and whine about how he's being put in the wrong category.  'Cause that's just the kind of guy he is.  

If the press started calling The Strokes, say, a hip-hop group, I'm sure they'd want to let it known that they are definitely not.  

Labels are important, sadly.  Everyone's got their own conception of what kind of music they make.
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No one would say that The White Stripes are pop, and if someone did then it would be understandable that they would get upset. Same goes for The Strokes being hip hop. But that's only because these groups don't happen to sound like pop or rap.

My point is that there are people who take such offence to saying that Sum 41 might be a garage band. When I was growing up we considered anything that you couldn't play in the house "Garage Rock", that meant anything from Metallica to The Misfits. Garage is not a style of music you're playing, it's where you had to play it.

And to think that groups like The Strokes are so different than Good Charlotte, do you remember the media hype that was generated by the record company for the Strokes before their album even came out?

 

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Wow, I'm surprised, my humble thread has become a Hot Topic!!! Hey isn't Hot Topic where so-called "wannabes" get their pants? Maybe the heavens are sending me a message...sorry. I don't think so.  ;D
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lmao...i'm still waiting for one of our malls to get a hot topic.  i have a feeling that store is going to be the next abercrombie...

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that's what i classify those bands as...i think i've offended some people by calling good charlotte that.  ;D  it's amusing how if you call someone's music popular, they'll get mad at you... ::)

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Garage is not a style of music you're playing, it's where you had to play it.

 
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actully, garage is a style...it turned into one in the late 60s....

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O my God!!!! I'm sorry... but you don't see ShellyGal dissing
your favorite bands. And besides,  I know for a fact she wasn't around when YOUR bands where big.

And please admire her for one thing... she had the guts to pick a band that aren't POP STARS!!! She prefers to stand alone, and for that, I think she rocks! Because punk is about what you believe in, not what you look or sound like.

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The thing is, they ARE pop stars.  So are Eminem, Bono, the Dave Matthews Band, LL Cool J, and the Dixie Chicks.  They're popular and famous.

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Ideally, punk is not about what you look or sound like, but in the end it turns out to be about those things anyway.

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I think it's more like, "Does this chain make me look punk enough?  Maybe I should add some paperclips.  But then would I look like I'm trying too hard?"  That's exaggeration, but don't you think that Sum 41 or NFG at least put some effort into looking cool?

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The thing is, they ARE pop stars.  So are Eminem, Bono, the Dave Matthews Band, LL Cool J, and the Dixie Chicks.  They're popular and famous.


Ideally, punk is not about what you look or sound like, but in the end it turns out to be about those things anyway.


I think it's more like, "Does this chain make me look punk enough?  Maybe I should add some paperclips.  But then would I look like I'm trying too hard?"  That's exaggeration, but don't you think that Sum 41 or NFG at least put some effort into looking cool?
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Well said, Kenny.


See, I really try to avoid people who strictly like only one genre, they can get on my nerves. While I do listen to mostly rock, I enjoy artists from the likes of Norah Jones and Michelle Branch to OutKast, Eminem, and Missy Elliott, to TaTu and Shakira.

As far as this whole punk-pop-or-whatever-its-called thing, I enjoy listening to NFG, Sum41, and other bands, but I truly cannot stand Good Charlotte or Simple Plan. It may partially be because of image, but mostly because of their music, I can't stand Simple Plan's singer and Good Charlotte is just annoying.

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O my God!!!! I'm sorry... but you don't see ShellyGal dissing
your favorite bands. And besides,  I know for a fact she wasn't around when YOUR bands where big.

And please admire her for one thing... she had the guts to pick a band that aren't POP STARS!!! She prefers to stand alone, and for that, I think she rocks! Because punk is about what you believe in, not what you look or sound like.
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I wasnt around when most of MY bands were around either...and Sum 41, NFG, and all are pop stars...the bands I said (ie the standells, the easybeats, the move...etc) are not pop stars, in fact I bet youve never heard of them...

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Well said, Kenny.


See, I really try to avoid people who strictly like only one genre, they can get on my nerves. While I do listen to mostly rock, I enjoy artists from the likes of Norah Jones and Michelle Branch to OutKast, Eminem, and Missy Elliott, to TaTu and Shakira.


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I dont know if this was aimed at me or not, but I will say, that people that only listen to one genre sometimes annoy me too...personally, I have so many different genres in my music collection is funny.....ive got stuff ranging from Iron Maiden to Hall and Oates, to Blondie to the Clash, to Blind faith, to Norah Jones, to John Mayor to Michelle Branch, to Cat Stevens to The drifters to Bob Marley, to the temptations, to Diana Ross to Marvin Gaye, to Gary Numan to the human League, to Bonjovi, to Aerosmith, to elton john, to the Beatles, to Clapton, to the stones, to GNR, to Sheryl crow, to Bread, to the Strangloves, to the Standells, to Jerry Lee LEwis, to Bo Diddley, to Elvis, to chuck Berry, to Little Richard to CHarlie RIch to BB king, to Zappa, to ELP to Frank Sinatra to Glen Miller to Beethoven to Young Rascals to an Morrison to....well, you get the point

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I dont know if this was aimed at me or not, but I will say, that people that only listen to one genre sometimes annoy me too...personally, I have so many different genres in my music collection is funny.....ive got stuff ranging from Iron Maiden to Hall and Oates, to Blondie to the Clash, to Blind faith, to Norah Jones, to John Mayor to Michelle Branch, to Cat Stevens to The drifters to Bob Marley, to the temptations, to Diana Ross to Marvin Gaye, to Gary Numan to the human League, to Bonjovi, to Aerosmith, to elton john, to the Beatles, to Clapton, to the stones, to GNR, to Sheryl crow, to Bread, to the Strangloves, to the Standells, to Jerry Lee LEwis, to Bo Diddley, to Elvis, to chuck Berry, to Little Richard to CHarlie RIch to BB king, to Zappa, to ELP to Frank Sinatra to Glen Miller to Beethoven to Young Rascals to an Morrison to....well, you get the point
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It wasn't aimed at anyone, just to let you know. :)

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I dont know if this was aimed at me or not, but I will say, that people that only listen to one genre sometimes annoy me too...personally, I have so many different genres in my music collection is funny.....ive got stuff ranging from Iron Maiden to Hall and Oates, to Blondie to the Clash, to Blind faith, to Norah Jones, to John Mayor to Michelle Branch, to Cat Stevens to The drifters to Bob Marley, to the temptations, to Diana Ross to Marvin Gaye, to Gary Numan to the human League, to Bonjovi, to Aerosmith, to elton john, to the Beatles, to Clapton, to the stones, to GNR, to Sheryl crow, to Bread, to the Strangloves, to the Standells, to Jerry Lee LEwis, to Bo Diddley, to Elvis, to chuck Berry, to Little Richard to CHarlie RIch to BB king, to Zappa, to ELP to Frank Sinatra to Glen Miller to Beethoven to Young Rascals to an Morrison to....well, you get the point
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it doesn't bother me when people just listen to one genre of music...what does bother me is when people tell you about it EVERY DAY because they thing it will change your opinion of them.  (well, it works, i ignore them...;D)  kind of like how half of the "punks" at my school run around yelling about how punk new found glory, blink-182, and good charlotte are and how that makes them "kewlziez h4rdk0r3 punks"...i like good charlotte and blink-182 isn't bad on occation, but they're really not punk.  it drives me insane when they say blink-182 "invented" punk!  (i don't know much about punk music, but i sure as hell know that blink-182 didn't "invent" punk music.) ...if that made any sense.

of course, this is coming from someone who will listen to eminem and elvis in the same day... ;D

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I think it's more like, "Does this chain make me look punk enough?  Maybe I should add some paperclips.  But then would I look like I'm trying too hard?"  That's exaggeration, but don't you think that Sum 41 or NFG at least put some effort into looking cool?
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Uh. No.They don't try. They look like skaters for all I know. Which is a kind of punk, buhleive it or not. And it's not like they dress that hardcore anyway (spikes, tatoos, piercings), they have one tatoo each. (shellygal knows this kind of  thing  ;D).
Oh. And by the way, the Dave Matthews Band has split for  "creative differences". *cough*  *money*

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Uh. No.They don't try. They look like skaters for all I know. Which is a kind of punk, buhleive it or not. And it's not like they dress that hardcore anyway (spikes, tatoos, piercings), they have one tatoo each. (shellygal knows this kind of  thing  ;D).
Oh. And by the way, the Dave Matthews Band has split for  "creative differences". *cough*  *money*
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once you start making a dress code like that, whether it be Skater or piercings, then it loses its connotation as punk....plus Im pretty sure that one of the guys from Good Charlotte has Spikes and Piercings........plus, tattoos arent for punks....theyre for motorcyclers, like the Hells angles......

Dave Matthews band broke up?  youre kidding me?  WHen the hell did this happen?  Damn that sucks

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My point is, they dress in a certain manner that fits the image of the band which they are trying to sell.  They may have always dressed that way, I don't know.  But it's still a very image-based band.

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Now we get to hear Dave blandly yelp his songs without the marginally talented backing band?  Oh, rapture.

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Oh. And by the way, the Dave Matthews Band has split for  "creative differences".
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Attention everyone,
I have wronged you. In other words, I am an a$$. I said the Dave Matthews Band split, but I think it was the Matthew Good Band. Screw the Matthews! ;D I am so messed up, it's not even funny.

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Okay. There are all these newfangled bands (good charlotte, sum41, simple plan, new found glory, not by choice), that we all just can't put our fingers on. Are they punk, pop, rock, a combination of all three? well, I have the answer. There is a new genre of music in town and it is....garage! Young and punkish with a pop-y feel.  Does this make sense?

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No. None of it makes sense,at all. It's not garage, it's not punkish, and it's not even good enough to be called real pop. They're all boy bands. Rock and roll has gone to s***.