Well...I have a few choices that I wouldn't mind being if I had to be a guy.....



First off...


Gale Harold (from Queer as Folk)....ladies, I don't think it gets any better than this ;)

http://www.gale-online.net/gallery/data/media/70/pmmagazine-1.jpghttp://www.gale-online.net/gallery/data/media/176/s57.jpg


Mark Ruffalo (This guy has to have the cutest smile known to man)
http://markruffalofans.com/gallery/albums/ruffy/complex/People.jpghttp://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=mark+ruffalo/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=14vn201hc/EXP=1127791821/*-http%3A//us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/movie_pix/sundance/sundance_film_festival_2004_photos/mark_ruffalo/sundance.jpg

Mark McGrath (from Sugar Ray)

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=mark+mcgrath/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=12nr73ijf/EXP=1127791882/*-http%3A//hometown.aol.de/IngridRoesch/Verschiedenes/Mark%20McGrath2.JPGhttp://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=mark+mcgrath/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=12g077q8e/EXP=1127792248/*-http%3A//photos1.blogger.com/img/272/973/640/Mark_Mcgrath4.jpg

Johnny Depp (how could I forget him ? ;))
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=johnny+depp/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=129gpokuf/EXP=1127792379/*-http%3A//empress.buzzstuff.net/archives/johnny%20depp.jpghttp://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=johnny+depp+finding+neverland/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=13oj0iue6/EXP=1127792522/*-http%3A//www.vh1.com/sitewide/flipbooks/img/movies/premiere_photos/f/finding_neverland/51262891_10.jpg



Erin :)

Conor Oberst

Or

Beck




Beth

Well.. being that the thought of a bunch of girls mobbing me doesn't excite me in the least.. I'd have to say Superman.  It'd be neat to be able to fly! :)

Er . . . Lol . . . Hmmm . . .  ;D

I'd be Winston Churchill - he was a REAL ladykiller!

I'd be Winston Churchill - he was a REAL ladykiller!


He would have been if he sent them to war.  ;D

I would be Brad Pitt.  :D

Me too.....Angelina Jolie anyone ??? ;)
;D ;D ;D

Pamela Anderson! ;D :P

I would be my Irish god, Cillian Murphy and then go have sex with my biggest fan, tanya1976

I would probably be a girl.

Definitely Corin Tucker from the band Sleater-Kinney. Best female voice in rock n roll today!

http://www.citybeat.com/2003-02-19/music-1.jpg

Shes the one to the right. The one in the middle is Carrie Brownstein, and the one to the left is Janet Weiss. They are from Portland, Oregon and they are one of the best things in rock n roll today IMO.

http//www.sleater-kinney.com/index2.php

Jessica Alba

I'd want to be Michael Jackson...hey someone's gotta get some sense into that man one way or another.

I'd want to be Michael Jackson...hey someone's gotta get some sense into that man one way or another.


Ziiiing!  ;D ;D

Well, might as well post pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!11wooooooo!!!111111111...

Conor Oberst

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/entertainment/music/images/brighteyes.jpg

http://www.timmcmahan.com/images/lifted8.jpg

http://www.britishpunk.com/images/wallpaper/conorbrownprettybg.jpg

http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/22/60/28/17f7a334.jpg

http://www.bentclouds.com/emo.jpg



dsnakjhdusaibgvdyh1q d21j33v41

...MAN he's hot. Shutup, Andy  :P


Beth

Heck, Howard, you'd never leave the shower :D


Yeah,that could happen ;D

Eastwood  8)



http://www.laserdisken.dk/billeder/forsidealm/1073749244219391.jpg

Gale Harold (from Queer as Folk)....ladies, I don't think it gets any better than this ;)


Flexes biceps and abs...

Y'wanna bet?!!

Exhales and coughs violently...

(Gasp!) Okay, I'll give you that one!

Uh.. that creepy Japanese lady in Blonde Redhead.

http://www.justconcerts.com/concertinfo/concerts/blond_redhead/040326/BlondeRedhead_3.jpg

Who else would I be but this guy...

Or this guy who drives the #8 car...Dale Jr.!

Or this guy who drives the #8 car...Dale Jr.!
Boy, I wish I was one of those gals with Dale Jr.'s arm around me...get the smelling salts...
JK about the smelling salts!

CRACK
http://www.timmcmahan.com/images/lifted8.jpg
HEAD!


GOOD BOY!!!

The funny thing is.. My dog.. could kick his ass. A dead dog, could kick the anorexic little gimps ass!

I want to be Justin.. wait.. hold on... something here dosen't add up.


jeanine garofalo.. i wanna be clever

CRACK
http://www.timmcmahan.com/images/lifted8.jpg
HEAD!


Haha, he DOES look like one! Observe MORE evidence:

http://www.npr.org/news/images/2005/jan/14/conor_oberst200.jpg

http://www.britishpunk.com/images/Conor/Conor%201/Conor%201-1/0167.jpg

http://www.epitonic.com/art/artists/brighteyes/brighteyes_01.jpg

http://extra.twincities.com/images/bright_eyes.jpg

Conclusion- Yep, he's a crackhead.

Haha, he DOES look like one! Observe MORE evidence:

http://www.npr.org/news/images/2005/jan/14/conor_oberst200.jpg

http://www.britishpunk.com/images/Conor/Conor%201/Conor%201-1/0167.jpg

http://www.epitonic.com/art/artists/brighteyes/brighteyes_01.jpg

http://extra.twincities.com/images/bright_eyes.jpg

Conclusion- Yep, he's a crackhead.




So you think Conor Oberst looks like more of a crack head than Elliott Smith?

http://re2.mm-a1.yimg.com/image/158774985

http://images.fok.nl/upload/elliottsmith.jpg

http://www.garaj.org/images/haber/elliotsmith1.jpg


Shoot, son, you trippin'


Beth

Well, remember, I still work under the theory that Conor Oberst is either Elliott Smith's clone, child, or evil doppelganger.

I'd be a woman stripper at a nudie bar. ;D

Well.. being that the thought of a bunch of girls mobbing me doesn't excite me in the least.....

My thoughts exactly. Just with the gender reversed of course, lol.

Hey, I'm great friends with other guys, I just wouldn't want 'em coming after me if I were female. ;D

I'd have to say Superman. It'd be neat to be able to fly! :)


I always wanted to do that too -- as well as time travel. 8)  ;)

How about a male character on General Hospital....

Sonny Corinthos. Just something I like about Sonny,the way he carries himself,the really cool suits he wears, the way his voice sounds...and he's a bad boy...

Bond..James Bond. The '60s Bond played by Sean Connery.

I would be YWN :D

I would be YWN :D


You know what?


Me too.

I'd be a woman stripper at a nudie bar. ;D




why? wouldn't you want to be a nice respectable lady...not someone who degrades themselves by showing their boobies and other assets? ;)




Erin :)

why? wouldn't you want to be a nice respectable lady...not someone who degrades themselves by showing their boobies and other assets? ;)




Erin :)


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They're adults..

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They're adults..



never denied that.....however, it's still degrading.





Erin :)

never denied that.....however, it's still degrading.





Erin :)




I agree 100%. They obviously don't have much respect for themselves, to be okay with 100 nasty old perverts ogling them.


Beth

I agree 100%. They obviously don't have much respect for themselves, to be okay with 100 nasty old perverts ogling them.


Beth



that's another thing I don't get... Why do people dig strippers?


Am I the only boy in the world that doesn't get this or porn? Or... anime hentai?

that's another thing I don't get... Why do people dig strippers?


Am I the only boy in the world that doesn't get this or porn? Or... anime hentai?




Stay that way, dude. Women will respect you a whole lot more  ;)



Beth

that's another thing I don't get... Why do people dig strippers?


Am I the only boy in the world that doesn't get this or porn? Or... anime hentai?




awww....you just earned some major Brownie points! ;)



Erin :)

never denied that.....however, it's still degrading.





Erin :)


Is that a fact? So, you set the standard for what is degrading to women and what isn't? Well, i am sure they will be glad to know someone is looking out for them.

A friend of my dad's girlfriend is a stripper, and so is my aunt's niece. I've met both and they are BOTH very sweet women.


I agree 100%. They obviously don't have much respect for themselves, to be okay with 100 nasty old perverts ogling them.


Beth



According to the ones that I have talked to(See above) most of their patronage is in their late 20s to early 50s.. Lots of average "normal" guys go there. My older brother goes with his buddy every once and awhile, and he is hard working, doesnt cheat on his old lady, he has 5 kids whom he takes care of wonderfully; so it seems silly to pre-judge someone because they go to a strip joint. Grow up.


Stay that way, dude. Women will respect you a whole lot more ;)



Beth


Well, glad to know I met the person speaking for all of them!

Is that a fact? So, you set the standard for what is degrading to women and what isn't? Well, i am sure they will be glad to know someone is looking out for them.

A friend of my dad's girlfriend is a stripper, and so is my aunt's niece. I've met both and they are BOTH very sweet women.

According to the ones that I have talked to(See above) most of their patronage is in their late 20s to early 50s.. Lots of average "normal" guys go there. My older brother goes with his buddy every once and awhile, and he is hard working, doesnt cheat on his old lady, he has 5 kids whom he takes care of wonderfully; so it seems silly to pre-judge someone because they go to a strip joint. Grow up.
Well, glad to know I met the person speaking for all of them!



ok... You are getting a little defensive here... I'm sure that Erin didn't mean that as a whole person, but stripping is kind of a department which lacks self respect...

And if you know two people that are good people yet still strippers, doesn't mean that all strippers are like that. Maybe you're just lucky about that.

Also, I think Beth was exaggerating/kidding about the 100 year old thing...

Is that a fact? So, you set the standard for what is degrading to women and what isn't? Well, i am sure they will be glad to know someone is looking out for them.

A friend of my dad's girlfriend is a stripper, and so is my aunt's niece. I've met both and they are BOTH very sweet women.

According to the ones that I have talked to(See above) most of their patronage is in their late 20s to early 50s.. Lots of average "normal" guys go there. My older brother goes with his buddy every once and awhile, and he is hard working, doesnt cheat on his old lady, he has 5 kids whom he takes care of wonderfully; so it seems silly to pre-judge someone because they go to a strip joint. Grow up.
Well, glad to know I met the person speaking for all of them!



Woah! So you've talked to 2 strippers? Yep, that's about all of em!  ;) ;D


He's married and has 5 kids? Why does he need to see a stripper when he has a wife?   ???


Oh, Hun...I speak for a lot of them. BELIEVE me. I have talked about this before. But hey! I'm really relieved that YOU feel as if you can speak for all them, as well! Hehe, I see much loneliness in your future, and it's actually making me crack a wee bit of a smile, this time! *thumbs up*


I was having a bad day, today. Your post gave me a good laugh. Thanks, kiddo.  ;)



Beth

ok... You are getting a little defensive here... I'm sure that Erin didn't mean that as a whole person, but stripping is kind of a department which lacks self respect...

And if you know two people that are good people yet still strippers, doesn't mean that all strippers are like that. Maybe you're just lucky about that.

Also, I think Beth was exaggerating/kidding about the 100 year old thing...




No, I meant 100 perverted old men. Not 100 year old men.



Beth

No, I meant 100 perverted old men. Not 100 year old men.



Beth


ah... btw, nicely worded on your post before this

ah... btw, nicely worded on your post before this




Thanks, Dom  ;)

Is that a fact? So, you set the standard for what is degrading to women and what isn't? Well, i am sure they will be glad to know someone is looking out for them.

A friend of my dad's girlfriend is a stripper, and so is my aunt's niece. I've met both and they are BOTH very sweet women.

According to the ones that I have talked to(See above) most of their patronage is in their late 20s to early 50s.. Lots of average "normal" guys go there. My older brother goes with his buddy every once and awhile, and he is hard working, doesnt cheat on his old lady, he has 5 kids whom he takes care of wonderfully; so it seems silly to pre-judge someone because they go to a strip joint. Grow up.
Well, glad to know I met the person speaking for all of them!




In my personal opinion, it is degrading to women.  Sure, it might bring in some decent cash...but who wants to be swinging their booty around for a group of perverts (and yes, they are perverts....young AND old). I never said that I hate these women or that they aren't nice or whatever (like you are making it sound)....but I find it very difficult to have a lot of respect for women who chose to exploit themselves in this manner.

Secondly, anyone who has an "old lady" (in your words) and kids at home has NO reason or right even being in a place like that. I am so totally against this. Perhaps they are not actually out there "cheating" physically on their WIFE (your terminology of that word makes my stomach turn), but they are turning their sexual attention toward another woman (whether it be merely ogling them, or more).  I have NO respect for married men who patronize these kinds of places. Hey, if you are single and want your whole life to revolve around that kind of sh!t, whatever...but that only sets them up for a fall for whenever a real relationship is in effect.

You can slam me all you want regarding this....I don't really give a flying f***. I have very strong feelings about this and I always will...and no matter what you say in return...it will never change my mind on the matter.



Erin

In my personal opinion, it is degrading to women.  Sure, it might bring in some decent cash...but who wants to be swinging their booty around for a group of perverts (and yes, they are perverts....young AND old). I never said that I hate these women or that they aren't nice or whatever (like you are making it sound)....but I find it very difficult to have a lot of respect for women who chose to exploit themselves in this manner.

Secondly, anyone who has an "old lady" (in your words) and kids at home has NO reason or right even being in a place like that. I am so totally against this. Perhaps they are not actually out there "cheating" physically on their WIFE (your terminology of that word makes my stomach turn), but they are turning their sexual attention toward another woman (whether it be merely ogling them, or more).  I have NO respect for married men who patronize these kinds of places. Hey, if you are single and want your whole life to revolve around that kind of sh!t, whatever...but that only sets them up for a fall for whenever a real relationship is in effect.

You can slam me all you want regarding this....I don't really give a flying f***. I have very strong feelings about this and I always will...and no matter what you say in return...it will never change my mind on the matter.



Erin



ok, now THAT was backed up reasoning...

Alex, I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can convince people your way past this post... If only I had something to say other than just backing up other people's posts...

ok, now THAT was backed up reasoning...

Alex, I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can convince people your way past this post... If only I had something to say other than just backing up other people's posts...



thanks Dominic...I appreciate your support. ;)



Erin :)

Stay that way, dude. Women will respect you a whole lot more ;)



Beth



awww....you just earned some major Brownie points! ;)



Erin :)


I third what these two have said. :)

ok, now THAT was backed up reasoning...

Alex, I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can convince people your way past this post... If only I had something to say other than just backing up other people's posts...


Heres one for ya:

Strippers are entertainers. you don't think there is something exploitive about people who play music for others? or act on stage? all entertainment is exploitive by nature, the performer is being paid to be a jester basically to the patron/fan/listener/viewer..but that is the key word, PAID.  Do you think stripping is less "right" because its physical rather than an artistic expression? Then do you also consider boxing degrading? i mean for christ's sake, its two human beings beating the crap out of eachother for the entertainment of others. They do the same in football.

Heres one for ya:

Strippers are entertainers. you don't think there is something exploitive about people who play music for others? or act on stage? all entertainment is exploitive by nature, the performer is being paid to be a jester basically to the patron/fan/listener/viewer..but that is the key word, PAID.  Do you think stripping is less "right" because its physical rather than an artistic expression? Then do you also consider boxing degrading? i mean for christ's sake, its two human beings beating the crap out of eachother for the entertainment of others. They do the same in football.




yes but two men boxing DO NOT make married men...leave their wives at home to take care of the kids...while they are out getting their jollies off, watching an "entertainer" gyrate on a pole...that is the big difference.  ::)



Erin

In my personal opinion, it is degrading to women.  Sure, it might bring in some decent cash...but who wants to be swinging their booty around for a group of perverts (and yes, they are perverts....young AND old). I never said that I hate these women or that they aren't nice or whatever (like you are making it sound)....but I find it very difficult to have a lot of respect for women who chose to exploit themselves in this manner.

Secondly, anyone who has an "old lady" (in your words) and kids at home has NO reason or right even being in a place like that. I am so totally against this. Perhaps they are not actually out there "cheating" physically on their WIFE (your terminology of that word makes my stomach turn), but they are turning their sexual attention toward another woman (whether it be merely ogling them, or more).  I have NO respect for married men who patronize these kinds of places. Hey, if you are single and want your whole life to revolve around that kind of sh!t, whatever...but that only sets them up for a fall for whenever a real relationship is in effect.

You can slam me all you want regarding this....I don't really give a flying f***. I have very strong feelings about this and I always will...and no matter what you say in return...it will never change my mind on the matter.



Erin


Well put, Erin. 

Well put, Erin. 



Thanks Dagwood! ;)



Erin :)

Heres one for ya:

Strippers are entertainers. you don't think there is something exploitive about people who play music for others? or act on stage? all entertainment is exploitive by nature, the performer is being paid to be a jester basically to the patron/fan/listener/viewer..but that is the key word, PAID.  Do you think stripping is less "right" because its physical rather than an artistic expression? Then do you also consider boxing degrading? i mean for christ's sake, its two human beings beating the crap out of eachother for the entertainment of others. They do the same in football.


*tries to refrain from laughing*
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That was the worst analogy I've ever seen in my life. Oh, Alex, if you're gonna have an argument, at LEAST think things through.  ;)



Beth

yes but two men boxing DO NOT make married men...leave their wives at home to take care of the kids...while they are out getting their jollies off, watching an "entertainer" gyrate on a pole...that is the big difference.  ::)



Erin


Hmm, my brother doesn't do that. When they do cook(they usually eat out because of schedules), he is always the one who cooks. He takes care of the baby 90% of the time.

And its not logical to hold the strippers accountable for patron's behavior. That is akin to saying that a liqour store owner is responsible because some moron who bought a pint from him went out and drove drunk.

Thanks Dagwood! ;)



Erin :)


:)

Hmm, my brother doesn't do that. When they do cook(they usually eat out because of schedules), he is always the one who cooks. He takes care of the baby 90% of the time.




90% to the kids
10% to the strippers...


Oh damn..is that 100% allready? Yeah, that's SOO fair to the wife  ;D  ::)

Again, Alex..*whispers* Learn to back up your argument.  ;)



Beth

Hmm, my brother doesn't do that. When they do cook(they usually eat out because of schedules), he is always the one who cooks. He takes care of the baby 90% of the time.

And its not logical to hold the strippers accountable for patron's behavior. That is akin to saying that a liqour store owner is responsible because some moron who bought a pint from him went out and drove drunk.



I hold the strippers AND the patrons responsible.....they both hold an active part in contributing to sexual gratification OUTSIDE of the home.


and just because your brother cooks and helps with the baby...doesn't make him #1 husband of the year. There is a heck of a lot more to a relationship than that. Hmmmmm...I wonder, honestly, how his wife feels about him patronizing those places...or does she even know that he goes there?



Erin

*tries to refrain from laughing*
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That was the worst analogy I've ever seen in my life. Oh, Alex, if you're gonna have an argument, at LEAST think things through.  ;)



Beth


You aren't backing up your's. You did NOTHING to debunk what I said. Either do so or SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

I mean come on, was that arrogant retort where your argument was supposed to go? I at least had one. Put up, or shut up, you know?



90% to the kids
10% to the strippers...


Oh damn..is that 100% allready? Yeah, that's SOO fair to the wife ;D ::)

Again, Alex..*whispers* Learn to back up your argument. ;)



Beth


What the heck are you on about? I meant that 90% of the time he is the one who takes care of the baby. I didn't say that he spends 90% of his overall time doing so, and I didn't say anything close to "he spends 10% of his time with a stripper". Its the type of thing he goes a few times a year. Learn to read before you shoot your mouth off.

Heres one for ya:

Strippers are entertainers. you don't think there is something exploitive about people who play music for others? or act on stage? all entertainment is exploitive by nature, the performer is being paid to be a jester basically to the patron/fan/listener/viewer..but that is the key word, PAID.  Do you think stripping is less "right" because its physical rather than an artistic expression? Then do you also consider boxing degrading? i mean for christ's sake, its two human beings beating the crap out of eachother for the entertainment of others. They do the same in football.



Good pooint...

but here's the thing: They're meant to make guys, well... you know, get aroused.


That's not what music/football is for

Hmm, my brother doesn't do that. When they do cook(they usually eat out because of schedules), he is always the one who cooks. He takes care of the baby 90% of the time.

And its not logical to hold the strippers accountable for patron's behavior. That is akin to saying that a liqour store owner is responsible because some moron who bought a pint from him went out and drove drunk.


do you realize you're only using your brother as an example? What about all the other people?

Psst, Alex...



http://www.ronaldreagan.com/current_events/normal_owned21.jpg




Beth

I hold the strippers AND the patrons responsible.....they both hold an active part in contributing to sexual gratification OUTSIDE of the home.


and just because your brother cooks and helps with the baby...doesn't make him #1 husband of the year. There is a heck of a lot more to a relationship than that. Hmmmmm...I wonder, honestly, how his wife feels about him patronizing those places...or does she even know that he goes there?



Erin


And what is inherently bad about it? Give a LOGICAL reason, not an emotion-based one. If you can't, you have no argument in that regard.

Its not your business anyway. Its between the husband and wife.

I don't ask her how she feels about it because it is between them. She does know, and obviously it doesn't cause friction for them. They really never fight that anyone can see. They are very much in love. I remember he and his first wife fought ALL the time. Their marriage lasted less than 3 years. Hes been happily married to his current wife for going on 7 years.



Good pooint...

but here's the thing: They're meant to make guys, well... you know, get aroused.


That's not what music/football is for


Logically speaking, what is inherently wrong with that?

Logically speaking, what is inherently wrong with that?


Nothing.. Unless you're married with 5 kids.. I mean...

Isn't that sort of going against your wife? That's also kind of saying your wife isn't good enough?

Nothing.. Unless you're married with 5 kids.. I mean...

Isn't that sort of going against your wife? That's also kind of saying your wife isn't good enough?




Any wife that's okay with that, is probably just putting up with the husband because she doesn't wanna be alone with 5 children.  ;)
Maybe money plays a factor, as well?



Beth

Nothing.. Unless you're married with 5 kids.. I mean...

Isn't that sort of going against your wife? That's also kind of saying your wife isn't good enough?


I know that is how I would look at it. 

that's another thing I don't get... Why do people dig strippers?


Am I the only boy in the world that doesn't get this or porn? Or... anime hentai?


Ugh, hentai.  Ugh, porn!  That stuff grosses me out, man.  Well, the hardcore anyways.

And what is inherently bad about it? Give a LOGICAL reason, not an emotion-based one. If you can't, you have no argument in that regard.

Its not your business anyway. Its between the husband and wife.

I don't ask her how she feels about it because it is between them. She does know, and obviously it doesn't cause friction for them. They really never fight that anyone can see. They are very much in love. I remember he and his first wife fought ALL the time. Their marriage lasted less than 3 years. Hes been happily married to his current wife for going on 7 years.

Logically speaking, what is inherently wrong with that?




And why isn't an "emotion-based" reason enough for you?  Don't you realize what can happen to a relationship if the emotional aspect has been tampered with in any way...oh wait...I guess you wouldn't know, now would you?  Just because a reason is not "logical"...in your scientific-like opinion, doesn't mean that it is not a good candidate for an argument.  You see...emotion plays a HUGE part in a marriage relationship....and whenever someone in the relationship feels slighted and/or a "lesser" human being...it can do horrible things for a relationship.  Perhaps your sister-in-law is OK with this, as some women don't seem to have a problem (that's their right and opinion), however, I truly believe that more women would have a problem than wouldn't..especially if it's something that is coming between their marriage, or becoming an extreme habit.

You say it's not my business...that it is between the husband and the wife....well, being a wife myself...and having been in a previous marriage (with someone that put this kind of sh!t as a higher priority than me...the wife)....I think it IS my business...at least to voice my opinion on something that is VERY personal to me.  It wouldn't be my business to go and knock on your brother's door and demand a reason as to why he does this...but yes, I have every right to say (in a thread) why I am against it.

Not that it really matters or anything, but I would be curious to know if part of the reason that he and his first wife fought all of the time, had to do with his frequent ventures to those places?  I am telling you....that can really put a damper on a marriage...especially if it is something that is done behind the wife's back....or if it is something that the wife it totally against...yet the husband keeps doing it, etc....  Marriage is about respect....and IMO, that is one easy way to diminish it.



Erin

Ugh, hentai.  Ugh, porn!  That stuff grosses me out, man.  Well, the hardcore anyways.


no, really.. When I see the porn pop ups on sites, I go.. man! That's just... not appealing

And I hate it! It gets me in trouble too...

They look like they're in pain...


I'll admit to browsing though, but usually just in the softcore aisles of the internet.



ahem... it's not good to admit to that

ahem... it's not good to admit to that


Admit what?  ::)

And why isn't an "emotion-based" reason enough for you?  Don't you realize what can happen to a relationship if the emotional aspect has been tampered with in any way...oh wait...I guess you wouldn't know, now would you?  Just because a reason is not "logical"...in your scientific-like opinion, doesn't mean that it is not a good candidate for an argument.  You see...emotion plays a HUGE part in a marriage relationship....and whenever someone in the relationship feels slighted and/or a "lesser" human being...it can do horrible things for a relationship.  Perhaps your sister-in-law is OK with this, as some women don't seem to have a problem (that's their right and opinion), however, I truly believe that more women would have a problem than wouldn't..especially if it's something that is coming between their marriage, or becoming an extreme habit.

You say it's not my business...that it is between the husband and the wife....well, being a wife myself...and having been in a previous marriage (with someone that put this kind of sh!t as a higher priority than me...the wife)....I think it IS my business...at least to voice my opinion on something that is VERY personal to me.  It wouldn't be my business to go and knock on your brother's door and demand a reason as to why he does this...but yes, I have every right to say (in a thread) why I am against it.

Not that it really matters or anything, but I would be curious to know if part of the reason that he and his first wife fought all of the time, had to due with his frequent ventures to those places?  I am telling you....that can really put a damper on a marriage...especially if it is something that is done behind the wife's back....or if it is something that the wife it totally against...yet the husband keeps doing it, etc....  Marriage is about respect....and IMO, that is one easy way to diminish it.



Erin


I don't know I didn't ever ask him. But its not an extreme habit, he goes like two or three times a year. The thing about stripping is that its just for money. It means nothing to the woman doing it, and if he has any sense, it shouldn't to the guy watching. If a man goes all the time to fulfill some sort of need then the marriage already was in trouble. If it bothers the wife then the guy shouldn't go out of respect for her. I am saying though it does not bother all women. It probably does bother a majority. But nevertheless a significant percantage of patrons to strip bars are married men. But just because it bothers the majority, that doesn't make your position more valid than mine.


It comes down to this: different strokes for different folks. Its cliche but it applies. Its an issue based more off emotional opinions so arguments are useless.

I'd just like to say though it seems that on these forums if you find yourself to be in the minority about something you are ostricized up to a point. That is wrong. And I will be the first to say, I've found myself on YOU guys' side of the fence before. My apologies to Mark.  ;)

Thats why I dedicated "Mines Not A High Horse" to you in the song dedication thread.

So anyway; I am done with this dicussion.

And why isn't an "emotion-based" reason enough for you?  Don't you realize what can happen to a relationship if the emotional aspect has been tampered with in any way...oh wait...I guess you wouldn't know, now would you?  Just because a reason is not "logical"...in your scientific-like opinion, doesn't mean that it is not a good candidate for an argument.  You see...emotion plays a HUGE part in a marriage relationship....and whenever someone in the relationship feels slighted and/or a "lesser" human being...it can do horrible things for a relationship.  Perhaps your sister-in-law is OK with this, as some women don't seem to have a problem (that's their right and opinion), however, I truly believe that more women would have a problem than wouldn't..especially if it's something that is coming between their marriage, or becoming an extreme habit.

You say it's not my business...that it is between the husband and the wife....well, being a wife myself...and having been in a previous marriage (with someone that put this kind of sh!t as a higher priority than me...the wife)....I think it IS my business...at least to voice my opinion on something that is VERY personal to me.  It wouldn't be my business to go and knock on your brother's door and demand a reason as to why he does this...but yes, I have every right to say (in a thread) why I am against it.

Not that it really matters or anything, but I would be curious to know if part of the reason that he and his first wife fought all of the time, had to due with his frequent ventures to those places?  I am telling you....that can really put a damper on a marriage...especially if it is something that is done behind the wife's back....or if it is something that the wife it totally against...yet the husband keeps doing it, etc....  Marriage is about respect....and IMO, that is one easy way to diminish it.



Erin




....Very Well Put, Erin.


As for you, Alex....


http://www.chowpalace.com/aon/punch_pwned.jpg



*toothy grin*



Beth

I don't know I didn't ever ask him. But its not an extreme habit, he goes like two or three times a year. The thing about stripping is that its just for money. It means nothing to the woman doing it, and if he has any sense, it shouldn't to the guy watching. If a man goes all the time to fulfill some sort of need then the marriage already was in trouble. If it bothers the wife then the guy shouldn't go out of respect for her. I am saying though it does not bother all women. It probably does bother a majority. But nevertheless a significant percantage of patrons to strip bars are married men. But just because it bothers the majority, that doesn't make your position more valid than mine.


It comes down to this: different strokes for different folks. Its cliche but it applies. Its an issue based more off emotional opinions so arguments are useless.

I'd just like to say though it seems that on these forums if you find yourself to be in the minority about something you are ostracized up to a point. That is wrong. And I will be the first to say, I've found myself on YOU guys' side of the fence before. My apologies to Mark.  ;)

Thats why I dedicated "Mines Not A High Horse" to you in the song dedication thread.

So anyway; I am done with this dicussion.



well whatever.....I mean, everyone is entitled to their own opinions...and that is fine....but it always seems like if it is you giving your opinon...then everything is hunky dory...but as soon as someone comes up against you...that's when it becomes wrong, and/or people start whining about being ostracized, etc, (and by no means do I mean this just about you...there have been others guilty of this as well).  It's not about getting as many people as you can on "your side".....IMO, it's just about getting my opinion out and my point across....that's about it.  So....later.


Erin

Whoa...

Let me guess:  This can be traced to Howard talking about being a stripper.

Yeah leave it up to Howard!



Uh..So guys, I guess I'd like to be Mark Ruffalo, if I had to chose...



*awkward silence*  :-\\



God, I love these tangents! This thread will never be the same, I tell ya!



Beth

Admit what?   ::)


don't play howard with us

Yeah leave it up to Howard!



Uh..So guys, I guess I'd like to be Mark Ruffalo, if I had to chose...



*awkward silence*  :-\\



God, I love these tangents! This thread will never be the same, I tell ya!



Beth



very good choice! ;)



Erin :)

Whoa...

Let me guess:  This can be traced to Howard talking about being a stripper.


yeah... weird, huh?

I believe I was the original post deleter, thank you very much!

...Right?


Post deleter of what?  ::)

Post deleter of what?  ::)

Eh?

Now... I may be interpreting this wrong... but it sounds like you're comparing boxing to stripping, right?

Well, when men watch strippers, most of them want to have sex with them, right?

... Does that mean that when you watch boxing, you want to get punched in the face?

By the way. Boxers aren't in there just for the entertainment of the people. Sure, people draw entertainment out of it, but boxers are there for many reasons. Money, honor, pride, physical fitness, fame... Much more than pure entertainment. They're athletes, not clowns.


that's actually a good comparison... I like the punch in face part :)

To get back on topic

I'd like to be Corin Tucker from Sleater-Kinney, my favorite rock band(along with the Shins that is). She is an amazing singer, and great on the guitar too..she also has a fabulous sense of humor. Download the live version of White Rabbit, shes funny. :) I got one of my "trademark" jokes from her..

To get back on topic

I'd like to be Corin Tucker from Sleater-Kinney, my favorite rock band(along with the Shins that is). She is an amazing singer, and great on the guitar too..she also has a fabulous sense of humor. Download the live version of White Rabbit, shes funny. :) I got one of my "trademark" jokes from her..


I like "Off with your Head"

You're right, I apologize for going off-topic.

... Now to make a new thread!


If you do you will be debating alone, Justin.  ;D

I'm tired, and going to bed. Plus this argument is just way too draining. I think everyone involved has said their peace on it, so lets move on ok?

Oh and no hard feelings about you-know-what. Know what I mean?  ;)  :)

I have no problem with you at all.

I don't know I didn't ever ask him. But its not an extreme habit, he goes like two or three times a year. The thing about stripping is that its just for money. It means nothing to the woman doing it, and if he has any sense, it shouldn't to the guy watching. If a man goes all the time to fulfill some sort of need then the marriage already was in trouble. If it bothers the wife then the guy shouldn't go out of respect for her. I am saying though it does not bother all women. It probably does bother a majority. But nevertheless a significant percantage of patrons to strip bars are married men. But just because it bothers the majority, that doesn't make your position more valid than mine.


It comes down to this: different strokes for different folks. Its cliche but it applies. Its an issue based more off emotional opinions so arguments are useless.

I'd just like to say though it seems that on these forums if you find yourself to be in the minority about something you are ostricized up to a point. That is wrong. And I will be the first to say, I've found myself on YOU guys' side of the fence before. My apologies to Mark.  ;)

Thats why I dedicated "Mines Not A High Horse" to you in the song dedication thread.

So anyway; I am done with this dicussion.


You can do a lot of other things "just for money." There are people busting their brains and stomping the sidewalks, working REAL jobs to try make this world a better place. Strippers, regardless of how and why they're doing it - will and never have the respect that they should get from another profession.

There are better ways to end a marriage if it's sour - it's called divorce. If people want to strenghen it, stripclubs are the last place to go. Stripclubs hold all the elements of a dwindling self esteem amongst weak men. It has all the vices one could want - smoking, drinking, nude women, and giving away your last $100 (yeah, that was smart - just throw that $100 bill where you could've bought something way cooler). Not only that, but then it could add to addiction and even obsession or lust. Strip clubs just become another gamble in your life. Another addiction you have to support instead of putting food on the table. That's where these things become dangerous. People aren't thinking "logically" when going to these places. It's where logic is thrown to the wind when they decide to step inside of one.

Why do people dig strippers?

Am I the only boy in the world that doesn't get this or porn? Or... anime hentai?


You're attracted to more not-whorish women, I guess. I'm the same way.

And its not logical to hold the strippers accountable for patron's behavior. That is akin to saying that a liqour store owner is responsible because some moron who bought a pint from him went out and drove drunk.



If a liquor store owner or bartender knew that a person intended to drive after drinking(and if there is a way to prove it), and still served him anyway they can be charged with accessory before the fact.

with strippers, they know that men are going to get aroused (thats the whole purpose of going there in the first place)

that's another thing I don't get... Why do people dig strippers?


Am I the only boy in the world that doesn't get this or porn? Or... anime hentai?


Pornography is fine.. in the short term. It get's dull after a while.. it's all the same basically.

TENTACLE HENTAI IS WHERE IT'S AT DOMINIC!

Hold on, i shalt mull over my response to mr 'Nothing is degrading.. i decree it' whilst i'm at college. Surrounded by fellow intellectuals.  ;D

Surrounded by fellow intellectuals.  ;D


surrounded by intellectuals anyway  ;)

You can do a lot of other things "just for money." There are people busting their brains and stomping the sidewalks, working REAL jobs to try make this world a better place. Strippers, regardless of how and why they're doing it - will and never have the respect that they should get from another profession.

There are better ways to end a marriage if it's sour - it's called divorce. If people want to strenghen it, stripclubs are the last place to go. Stripclubs hold all the elements of a dwindling self esteem amongst weak men. It has all the vices one could want - smoking, drinking, nude women, and giving away your last $100 (yeah, that was smart - just throw that $100 bill where you could've bought something way cooler). Not only that, but then it could add to addiction and even obsession or lust. Strip clubs just become another gamble in your life. Another addiction you have to support instead of putting food on the table. That's where these things become dangerous. People aren't thinking "logically" when going to these places. It's where logic is thrown to the wind when they decide to step inside of one.




very well put! ;)



Erin :)

You can do a lot of other things "just for money." There are people busting their brains and stomping the sidewalks, working REAL jobs to try make this world a better place. Strippers, regardless of how and why they're doing it - will and never have the respect that they should get from another profession.

There are better ways to end a marriage if it's sour - it's called divorce. If people want to strenghen it, stripclubs are the last place to go. Stripclubs hold all the elements of a dwindling self esteem amongst weak men. It has all the vices one could want - smoking, drinking, nude women, and giving away your last $100 (yeah, that was smart - just throw that $100 bill where you could've bought something way cooler). Not only that, but then it could add to addiction and even obsession or lust. Strip clubs just become another gamble in your life. Another addiction you have to support instead of putting food on the table. That's where these things become dangerous. People aren't thinking "logically" when going to these places. It's where logic is thrown to the wind when they decide to step inside of one.



Wow. Exactly. I agree with Erin, very well written.


Beth

Is that a fact?


Yes, yes it is. I don't mind seeing naked chicks.. but you know what, I'm guessing that wasn't their top priority in life. Oh i know, I'll show my tits to strangers  ::)


So, you set the standard for what is degrading to women and what isn't? Well, i am sure they will be glad to know someone is looking out for them.


The whole.. female name kinda gives it away dosen't it  ::).
Do you set the standard, does.. the Government set the standard, do religious and moral ethics set the standard for what is and what isn't degrading?
WHERE WILL THE MADNESS END!
Well you know, nobody's looking out for them at the moment. I think we should stick you on a stage.. you can dance.. and.. grind.. and.. whatever else you kids do today, and be groped, and you know.. beat up and raped outside in the bushes. Usual kinda stuff. barrel of laughs eh


A friend of my dad's girlfriend is a stripper, and so is my aunt's niece. I've met both and they are BOTH very sweet women.


Did they call you Sug? Is that it? Ask them if they would like their kids to do it. "Oh i'm an entertainer, i'm not ashamed of what I do." Of course your not sweetie, now shut the hell up and show us them titties!


According to the ones that I have talked to(See above) most of their patronage is in their late 20s to early 50s.. Lots of average "normal" guys go there. My older brother goes with his buddy every once and awhile, and he is hard working, doesnt cheat on his old lady, he has 5 kids whom he takes care of wonderfully; so it seems silly to pre-judge someone because they go to a strip joint. Grow up.


Ya know..
Just because your brother dosen't cheat on his 'old lady' (in andrew's home country, 'old lady' mean mother, Yeskumeh) dosen't mean other people don't.
Now.. here is where a thin line must be walked. Men as a whole, have specific needs..
HOWEVER! Here is where confusion sets in for me. If i am at home.. and.. i dunno, have a copy of Penthouse or.. everyones favourite 'le' Internet.. you can, you know.. choke the chicken. At a strip club... your making it worse!!! I know if i went and had some chick gyrate naked in front of me.. I'd be even more.. 'in need' so to speak. So, what are you gaining. This is however besides the point.
Now.. all of you militant ladies have to take in to account, guys like to see some flesh, it's a fact.. It's natural it's just..

http://www5f.biglobe.ne.jp/~galmania/wwe_i/img/evolution01.jpg

... anyway. Your married to the guy and you suddenly stop 'doing' anything. Yeah, he's gonna get somewhat hot under the collar. Now, here is where i stand the chance of being called hypocritical. If the time comes that i chose to get married, it will be because i have found somebody that i want to spend the rest of my life with, it's understandable that certian sacrafices will have to be made, it's not just Ring = Nightly Sex, it's all a matter of give and take.
However.. let's take a hypothetical situation.

I go and i get married.. we have a healthy sex life and enjoy each others company. All of a sudden, she gets pissed at me (impossible because i am as we all know perfect, but work with me here) Now.. this goes on for a few months, all of a sudden things are getting a bit desperate. Now, in my mind, what am i more likely to do, go watch some chick gyrate in front of me and spend $100-$200 whilst i'm at it. Or bang a quick 'big tits' search in to google. I think we all know the answer to that.

I've rambled a lot here, but you know, if you search through the mindless inane sophomoric humor, you should find my point. Let me summarise..

If my wife went to a strip club when she could have just used the net and saved the money.. I'd be pissed.
Secondly, if my wife went to a strip club and decided to you know.. be a bit Physical.. i'd be thinking.. I'LL KILL YOU SLUT! I wouldn't expect my wife to think any different about me.

However, if i said to her, 'Sweetie, the guys are going to this club tonight, there could well be some you know.. 'dancers' there.. is that alright' she of course loving me so much would say 'That's fine darling, do you need any money'.

Oy! Again with the rambling. I'll stop now... let it be said, i feel the whole situation is full of Hypocrasy and to a seperate extent, moral, ethical and marital issues between couples. It is indeed degrading, I know i wouldn't want anybody i cared about doing it.

why? wouldn't you want to be a nice respectable lady...not someone who degrades themselves by showing their boobies and other assets? ;)




Erin :)



Yeah,you're right It's nice once in a while to rake in some dough. ;D

Bill Gates.The only person in America nerdier than me. And he makes $$$$$$$ off of it.

Jason White, quarterback for the Oklahoma Sooners!

Jason White, quarterback for the Oklahoma Sooners!


You wouldn't want to be TONY STEWART!?!  :o

This is surprising that somebody would make a topic like this but...

Maybe I would be Kristin Davis formely from "Sex And The City". She is beautiful. The only thing is it would be funny to see guys looking at me. I would have to beat those guys with a stick if I looked as good as her and had to be a member of the opposite sex.

You wouldn't want to be TONY STEWART!?!  :o


how can you compliment Tony Stewart without being egotistical if you ARE him?

how can you compliment Tony Stewart without being egotistical if you ARE him?


I guess she would have to call herself 'Mefan' or something.  ;D

I guess she would have to call herself 'Mefan' or something.  ;D



Or MeIstheMAN!!



Beth

Or MeIstheMAN!!


Which would take an operation or two.  ;) ;D

Whoa.. did you know that as I'm posting this, there were 666 views of this page?  :o

Whoa.. did you know that as I'm posting this, there were 666 views of this page?  :o


Quick! We need an old priest and a young priest!  ;D

Which would take an operation or two.  ;) ;D
One to turn into a man and another to change back into a woman?

Wait, did that sound right?  :o

One to turn into a man and another to change back into a woman?

Wait, did that sound right?  :o


...

WHY ARE YOU MAKING IT SO HARD FOR ME TO RESIST QUOTING LYRICS?!?!?!?! DAMN YOU!!!!

One to turn into a man and another to change back into a woman?

Wait, did that sound right?  :o


I am not too sure how many procedures/stages it takes for that kind of operation, Luke.  ;D

...

WHY ARE YOU MAKING IT SO HARD FOR ME TO RESIST QUOTING LYRICS?!?!?!?! DAMN YOU!!!!


I'm not dumb but I can't understand, why she walks like a woman and TALKS LIKE A MAN! LOOOLA! L-O-L-A LOOOLA!

;D

I don't want to be the opposite sex. ;D

I would not mind trading places with the St. Louis Cardinals' Albert Pujols!!

He was in last month's ESPN Magazine,the same issue that Tony Stewart was on the cover of.....now that I've seen Pujols dressed to the nines in suit and tie...OH MY GAWD...

He's a d@mn good baseball player too. As well as a MAJOR LEAGUE hottie.

Quick! We need an old priest and a young priest!  ;D
Maybe the Man(or shall I say the beast) Downstairs has the Internet...
just kidding.

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Am I the only one who sees an innuendo in the question, "If you could be any member of the opposite sex"?

Am I the only one who sees an innuendo in the question, "If you could be any member of the opposite sex"?



Yes, yes you are....










Perv.

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you'd be pretty skinny...

I would not mind trading places with the St. Louis Cardinals' Albert Pujols!!

He was in last month's ESPN Magazine,the same issue that Tony Stewart was on the cover of.....now that I've seen Pujols dressed to the nines in suit and tie...OH MY GAWD...

He's a d@mn good baseball player too. As well as a MAJOR LEAGUE hottie.


I know!!

He's a good looking guy, but man, he's lived here more or less all his life and he still struggles with some English.

Reggie sanders is the brain of the Cards, smart guy.

Am I the only one who sees an innuendo in the question, "If you could be any member of the opposite sex"?


What innuendo?

*snicker* ... Hehe.... Pooholes....  ;D
Oh brother...someone who takes something COMPLETELY innocent and twists it around to make it absolutely tasteless...just my opinion.

Oh brother...someone who takes something COMPLETELY innocent and twists it around to make it absolutely tasteless...just my opinion.



I'm pretty sure he was just joking around.  ::)

I'm pretty sure he was just joking around.  ::)
ok i get it

I know who I would NOT want to be because they are bad people, haters, dishonest, murderous...

Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin. Both Der Fuhrer and Comrade Stalin were power mad, bloodthirsty, mass-murdering, horribly twisted madmen...

Jim Jones. Convinced his followers they would go to a better place if they just drank that poison-laced Kool-Aid...

Osama Bin Laden..the man behind all kinds of terrorist mayhem as head of Al-Qaeda..responsible for the attacks on 9/11/2001..

Saddam Hussein..the Butcher of Baghdad. Gassed his own countrymen,namely the Kurdish in Iraq..and was a major kiddie-porn addict too, along with his sons..

'Uncle Charlie' Manson....manipulated others to kill for him...

Bill Clinton. Could not keep his fly up while in the company of Monica Lewinsky..as well as a few other gals.

George W. Bush...stole the Presidency.

I'd rather be a lemming than any of those people..not that lemmings are much smarter..

Wow, that's pretty harsh.

Ever try thinking about it on the other side of the arguement?
Why? All of the names I mentioned are people who did some pretty heinous deeds! And I have no symphathy for murderers or dishonest politicians!

What about a videogame creature of the opposite sex?

I'd be Sonic the Hedgehog. It would be cool to be able to run at superfast speeds...and I'd ruin Dr. Robotnik's day every chance I got!

What about a videogame creature of the opposite sex?

I'd be Sonic the Hedgehog. It would be cool to be able to run at superfast speeds...and I'd ruin Dr. Robotnik's day every chance I got!


Video game?  It'd have to be Blaze from the Sega game Streets of Rage.  She was one hot babe who could kick some serious ass

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/whistledog/blaze.gif

I would be Zelda...he was one hot video game character! ;)




Erin :)

I would be Zelda...he was one hot video game character! ;)




Erin :)


LOL Zelda was the Princess.  Link was the hero :)

LOL Zelda was the Princess.  Link was the hero :)




oooooohhh....that's right!! LOL!  ;D Yes, I would be Link....he was cute! ;)



Erin :)

From a video game?...


http://rds.yahoo.com/l=IVI/;_ylt=Ah73eWXNEfMuW3sGVON_sgSjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=126vlhfek/EXP=1129865507/*-http%3A//www.asiaposter.de/S1032Virtua_Fighter_4.jpg



He just looks so kickass.

From a video game?...


http://rds.yahoo.com/l=IVI/;_ylt=Ah73eWXNEfMuW3sGVON_sgSjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=126vlhfek/EXP=1129865507/*-http%3A//www.asiaposter.de/S1032Virtua_Fighter_4.jpg



He just looks so kickass.




I always say you as more of a Heihachi http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2/heihachi-3p.jpg

I always say you as more of a Heihachi http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2/heihachi-3p.jpg



;D Gross.

Alright, let's take a look at some of the people that you mentioned:

Adolf Hitler you referred to as a "power mad, bloodthirsty, mass-murdering, horribly twisted madman." Tell me, have you ever studied anything about Hitler? By no stretch of the imagination can anybody call him a "madman." Adolf Hitler was a genius. He was polite, artistic, and very smart. Power mad and mass-murdering, yes. But definitely not a madman. All Hitler wanted was to be a God, just like a lot of people out there. However, Hitler broke it down and actually took a somewhat logical path on the road to achieving a God-like Status.



Jim Jones. This topic is so vague, I don't even know how you could bring it into the arguement. In reality, nobody knows what actually happened at Jonestown. Some people even suggest that it was a mind-control experiment done by the CIA.

As for Jim Jones, the person himself, I think you're misunderstanding him. He had a mental illness, which was enhanced by his use of prescription drugs. Saying that he was a "dishonest, muderous hater" is like saying that a child with down syndrome is an "idiot, the dumbest thing that I've ever layed my eyes on, and completely pathetic." In which case, YOU would be more of a bad person than they would.

The People's Temple (Jim Jones' religious followers) believed in Translation, which was the "going to a better place" that you mentioned. ... Is that so terrible? It's a religion, just like Christianity and Buddhism. I don't see how wanting to be happy is a bad thing, as you put it.



"Osama Bin Laden... the man behind all kinds of terrorist mayhem as head of Al-Qaeda..responsible for the attacks on 9/11/2001.."
... True, he was. But the way you word it, you make it seem like he just randomly sends airplanes jetting into large objects. Well, let me tell you something. You don't become the head of a (rather successful) terrorist organization for that long without knowing a thing or two about what's what. Osama Bin Laden has a plan, and he always has had a plan.



'Uncle Charlie' Manson may have manipulated others to kill for him, true. But they would have had to agree with him, wouldn't they? I don't believe that Manson is the only person at fault here, as you put it.



Bill Clinton... big deal. OH NOES! A MAN LIKES the SEX!!! It's not that unusual. He shouldn't have done it, but if everybody in the country wasn't like "OMFG YOU DONE WENT AND GOT SOME BOOTY FROM MONICA LEWINSKY?!!," he probably wouldn't have been so nervous about telling the truth. Did you know that Bill Clinton took more steps towards eliminating Tobacco from the country than any other president? Not many people do, considering all they know is "Bill Clinton = Sex."



"George W. Bush...stole the Presidency."
Oh-ho, he STOLE it, did he? Did he stick it in his pocket when nobody was looking? Or did the majority of America vote him to rule their country? Twice, no less?


You see, if you look at it from the other side of the arguement, it doesn't sound so harsh. These things still shouldn't have been done, but there's a reason for everything.

Note: Some of the people I left out, due to a lack of knowledge on the subject.  :)


Once again... You've done my proud my boy.
HOWEVER!

In 2000 Gore got 500,000 more votes than P.D.A.

Newt Gingrinch got 10x the number of blowjobs Clinton did, but Newt Gingrich is pro-family  ::)

Hitler.. was only mad so far as that he trusted his astrologists to plan a lot of his strategy.