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Subject: Renegade Retro Notice
As visitors to the station website will see, there is a new notice posted on the main page, which I will repost here for those who listen in directly:
I am forced to shut down the requests function on the station, at least temporarily. This is due to a single person or multiple users on the same network hijacking the station with their requests. I have made repeated pleas to discontinue doing this, but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears and someone or some group have forced me to punish ALL listeners.
The IP addresses of the offenders are:
66.196.72.76
66.196.72.24
66.196.72.69
66.196.72.101
66.196.72.74
66.196.72.31
66.196.72.50
66.196.72.46
66.196.72.29
66.196.72.28
66.196.72.54
66.196.72.104
66.196.72.108
66.196.72.65
66.196.72.64
The list goes on, and clearly these are all originating from the same location, and network. And as much as I'd love to believe I have this many listeners at one time, Live365 stats do not support this.
SO, someone is using multiple computers, or using software to spoof their IP address in order to exceed the number of allowed requests.
My offering requests in the first place is a violation of the DMCA, but I do it. But I'm NOT going to allow this, and have someone pissing off other listeners who can't hear THEIR requests because you're too dam*ed inconsiderate to abide by the rules established by me for everyone's enjoyment. They want to hear their music as much as you want to hear yours, and screwing them over makes them mad. It only takes one pissed off listener to complain to Live365 and have this station shut down. I'd rather shut down requests than allow that. Congratulations, a*****e.
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
Man, I'm sorry this happened :( I hope you can catch this guy and make his monitor explode or something, because this ain't cool.
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
The IP numbers all trace back to Inktomi.com, which is a web search company about to be taken over by Yahoo. I'm not aware of any internet service that they provide, so it's probably someone who works for the company.
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Well...thanks a lot whoever it was. >:( Why oh why is there always one person who has to ruin it for everyone? But, I understand why you have to TV9... :(
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
Inktomi has been used for DOS attacks before it might be spoofed addresses.
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What a shame! :( I don't know why some people seem to think only of themselves and not of others who also enjoy the show! >:(
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
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Man, I'm sorry this happened :( I hope you can catch this guy and make his monitor explode or something, because this ain't cool.End Quote
I agree. It does suck. Perhaps you'll find some way to block-out/ban the addys from your site.
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
It's sad, really. I just checked the logs again, and whoever's doing it isn't even LISTENING to the station. They are somehow automatically making requests with the server. The log shows continuous requests from those sets of IP addresses every 5-10 minutes steadily over the last 24 hours.
It's also amazing how few people must read the home page before jumping into the request pages, or just have the request pages bookmarked. I'm showing random requests all night long as well, here and there, done AFTER I shut the requests down and made the announcement on the home page.
The station software doesn't allow blocking requests from certain IP's. As soon as I can figure out how to beat this SOB, I'll turn the requests function back on.
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
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As soon as I can figure out how to beat this SOB, I'll turn the requests function back on.End Quote
Good luck!
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
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I am forced to shut down the requests function on the station, at least temporarily. This is due to a single person or multiple users on the same network hijacking the station with their requests. I have made repeated pleas to discontinue doing this, but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears and someone or some group have forced me to punish ALL listeners.
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um.. silly question, but did you put a robots.txt in your root directory to prevent a search engine from indexing your request links? Since you've made them straight links, without any kind of form submission, it's quite possible a search engine indexing robot is just checking each link to index your site.. you may need to change your request feature to require some kind of human interaction (ie. enter the word from the image above before making your request, hit submit button, etc).
considering it's Inktomi.com, which is a search engine, it makes sense that they are just indexing your site.. this could happen from google or altavista just as easily though..
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
That was my thought as well, but if that's what's happening, then it's happening totally at random. It's not using any order, not going page by page, nothing. Now, I'm not sure how the bots work, and in all likelihood, that IS what's going on, but it just seems strange, and VERY long and drawn out. At the rate it's going, it won't stop for another week at least.
Unfortunately, I didn't create the HTML for the request links, it's created by the SAM Program itslef, and I edit the look to fit my site. Most functions that actually interact with the SAM work that way.
I just switched to SAM2 last night, which is supposed to allow me block requests from certain IP's (we'll see), and I'm in the middle of configuring it now. I may have to re-do all 27 of the request pages, though. *shudder* Now THAT'S a pain in the a**.
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
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That was my thought as well, but if that's what's happening, then it's happening totally at random. It's not using any order, not going page by page, nothing. Now, I'm not sure how the bots work, and in all likelihood, that IS what's going on, but it just seems strange, and VERY long and drawn out. At the rate it's going, it won't stop for another week at least.
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still quite possible it's a search engine robot. If you place a file called robots.txt on your domain, it will check it before looking at any pages.. worth a shot.. won't slow down badly written spiders, but inkotmi certainly follows them (I believe they were one of the first to implement the robots.txt check).
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Unfortunately, I didn't create the HTML for the request links, it's created by the SAM Program itslef, and I edit the look to fit my site. Most functions that actually interact with the SAM work that way.
I just switched to SAM2 last night, which is supposed to allow me block requests from certain IP's (we'll see), and I'm in the middle of configuring it now. I may have to re-do all 27 of the request pages, though. *shudder* Now THAT'S a pain in the a**.
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ugh.. been there.. done that before.. I'm pretty handy at writting regular expressions and simple shell scripts for handling cases like that.. if you can spot the differences in how the URLs are created, you might be able to automate something..
Subject: Re: Renegade Retro Notice
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still quite possible it's a search engine robot. If you place a file called robots.txt on your domain, it will check it before looking at any pages.. worth a shot.. won't slow down badly written spiders, but inkotmi certainly follows them (I believe they were one of the first to implement the robots.txt check).
ugh.. been there.. done that before.. I'm pretty handy at writting regular expressions and simple shell scripts for handling cases like that.. if you can spot the differences in how the URLs are created, you might be able to automate something..
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Well, after the disaster that was the show on Saturday night, with new software, I have reverted back to the old software again. I updated the robots.txt on my site, placing it in the root directory (www.downmainelimited.com) as I should, and specifically named Inktomi as disallowed. Then turned requests back on, and watched as 12 requests came in from those same IP ranges again within the first 2 hours. And apparently only that little because I've restricted the request policy to only 1 from each IP address every 60 minutes...
I guess I'm gonna have to go ith that crap new software after all...