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Not touching that one with a 20 ft pole. Won't touch it with a 10 ft pole either! A 6 ft pole even. No. Not even a 6 ft pole...
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Why thank you! Another stat to add to my growing list -- don't mind the pun.. ;) :P ;D

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JS, you are....

Brave?
Crazy?

Both?

:o :o :o

You generalized and included all women!

They will eat you alive on here.

And we'll see some of this too --> http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/aktion/aktion047.gif http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/aktion/aktion060.gif  ;D ;D ;D
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lol Hair, I saw this post, but figured JS was having a bad day and didn't take it personally.  ;) ;) ;D

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lol Hair, I saw this post, but figured JS was having a bad day and didn't take it personally.  ;) ;) ;DEnd Quote

Good for you!  :D

I think it's funny (no offense ladies!  :o) because I expect it to blow up like the ticking time-bomb it is.  ;D

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I just figure it's payback for me being deliberately obtuse and let it slide.

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I often wonder why men feel the need to express their views on the group of people who not only put up with bearing them for nine months and giving birth to them, but also participating in certain natural acts with them and carrying their children too!
Did you suffer some distress in your childhood? Was the main female figure in your house abusive? Do you therefore attempt to get your revenge on women in general? Or are you merely stupid?
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Dont do me any favors. I did not ask you for a darn thing. It is your sex which is horrible and mean, not mine. When was the last time a guy twisted words or gave false impressions? Why do you think we go to war? To get away from the mental torture your sex gives.

Sorry to everyone else for what I posted, but to @ssKicker, you are just the kind of woman I am talking about. My original post was not ment to all women, just the cold heartless ones which make living next to impossible.

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lol Hair, I saw this post, but figured JS was having a bad day and didn't take it personally.  ;) ;) ;D
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Thanks shazzaah. I am having a bit more than a bad day. Thanks for your understanding.

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Dont do me any favors. I did not ask you for a darn thing. It is your sex which is horrible and mean, not mine. When was the last time a guy twisted words or gave false impressions? Why do you think we go to war? To get away from the mental torture your sex gives.

Sorry to everyone else for what I posted, but to @ssKicker, you are just the kind of woman I am talking about. My original post was not ment to all women, just the cold heartless ones which make living next to impossible.
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OH SNAP man!!  :o  

You must have had one bad experience with the ladies...but y'know, it's not a one-sided thing.  Men do the same thing back to women.

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Thanks shazzaah. I am having a bit more than a bad day. Thanks for your understanding.
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No problem John. I think we all have days like that.  :(

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I'm sure there's an English-Womanese dictionary out there that you can use ;)  But the Womanese language is updated and changed so often that that might not even help :-/
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I just want to die. I have lived enough. I can not take this ball kicking anymore. I swear there are some women who do it for sport. And I can take that. What I can not take is when someone you are with for 5 years does it to you.

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Methinks the best way to get back at her is to show her that her evil ways can never take you down ;)  Keep a chin up dude, you will survive.

And if my recent trips through the parks and shopping malls are indicative, there are plenty of cute, intelligent women with great personalities out there just waiting for you :D
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5 years is a long time to start from scratch again. I do not want any girl, I want my girl.  :'(

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Methinks the best way to get back at her is to show her that her evil ways can never take you down ;)  Keep a chin up dude, you will survive.

And if my recent trips through the parks and shopping malls are indicative, there are plenty of cute, intelligent women with great personalities out there just waiting for you :D
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BTW, thanks Rice Cube. Thanks for what you are trying to do.

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Maybe the reason I don't have a woman is that they can be so hard to understand!
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As Rice pointed out, it goes both ways!

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Hey, a woman actually finds wisdom in my words :)  I'm touched   :-*
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That's because I've found a lot of truth in the words you say, Rice!  ;)

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As Rice pointed out, it goes both ways!
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Somehow, I think women get the better out of us. I think women have a natural ability to control men. Just like some women can make a man great, other women can tear a man apart. It is an unfair fight because they hit us emotioanlly and that is the one thing we are not prepared for. I would rather have Tyson beat on me than have a woman I love hurt me.

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That's an interesting thought.  I admit that at times I feel like there's a double standard in the whole man-woman interaction.  I can't explain it, but it's just something I feel...however, that doesn't mean you can't stand up to it.  It'll build character in the long run, and you'll be a better man for it :)

Feel free to vent as much as you want, I'm a good listener.
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Women do have power over us. I have this one cousin who could not hold a job to save his life. But once he found the right woman, he works overtime and takes classes at night. She is building him to be successful.

Then I have another friend who got screwed over by his wife, and he started drinking, and that lead to other stuff. He is in a bad place.

And then there is me. Like a big dummy, I believe what women say 90% of the time. I figure I have no reason to doubt them. Little do I know they would sell my soul for a some new shoes.

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With all due respect, however, you can't make this argument so one-sided.  It's not fair to the 98.5% of women (I pulled that number out of my butt) who actually are nice and care for their men (or whatever, not that there's anything wrong with that).
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Good women, look the other way because I am about to start a rant.

I think modern culture has changed women for the worse. There was a time when family was important to them. There was a time when truth, honesty, straigh forwardness, and caring were valued character traits. Now, if you look at women, they would rather be like what is on the cover of Cosmo magazine than a good person. What do women see on TV? Feminists telling them to have their own career, get a butch haircut, and not open up to anyone because opening up is like dependancy and weakness. Television tells them they have to look like a Barbi doll to be wanted. Advertisers tell them they have to have 500 fricking pairs of shoes and a medicine cabinet filled with bottles of things which I could not even guess the purpose for. This b*tch I was with taught me a valuable lesson. Whenever I see a woman buying into what the media is putting forward, I will run the opposite direction. I have had it with these kinds of wh*res, who only want what is popular today, and cr*p on what is decent.

If you are a nice caring woman who has read what I wrote, I appologize to you. This rant is for that woman, and she knows who she is, who sucked the life out of me and threw me in the garbage after 5 years.  

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This rant is for that woman, and she knows who she is, who sucked the life out of me and threw me in the garbage after 5 years.  
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Then direct it that woman, and not at women in general.

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I know it's something you don't want to hear right now, but there are some nice, normal, decent, women out there who don't play head games. And eventually, (when you're ready) you'll find each other.

For now, all I can say is take a deep breath and try to distance yourself from this person as quickly as possible before she makes it worse.

I hope tomorrow is better for you.
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I think I have lost my ability to trust. I think I have become cynical about relationships. And it sucks, because all I wanted was for her to be honest. That is all I wanted. She did not even have the decency to do that.

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Then direct it that woman, and not at women in general.
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If I am offending, then I will stop.

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whats that one book? men are from mars, and women are from venus...End Quote

..and both can be a pain in Uranus ;)

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;D  That's a great line.  Mind if I steal it?
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doesnt bother me.

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..and both can be a pain in Uranus ;)
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good point ;)

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Then she solved your problem. You value and want these qualities in a relationship and she did not have them. What's the use in bothering with her? Leave her be and don't look back.

It's not that you've lost your ability to trust, but you are now able to be circumspect... This will help you later on.
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This is wonderful advice, John.  I am sure sorry you got hurt by this woman, just remember most of us aren't this way.  I do hope today goes a little better for you.

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There is an episode of south park which reminds me of her. When Cartman gets the kid to eat his dead father, then Cartman licks the tears off the face of the kid when the kid finds out his father is what he is eating. She did that to me, only instead of eating my flesh, she ate my soul.

Sorry to everyone, but I have no one else to talk to. I really want to die. Someone tell me this is not happening. I have nothing, this was all I cared about. I can not sleep anymore.


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Please don't say you want to die.  I know it is hard now, but don't let her get to you this bad.  We are your friends here and if you want to rant then go ahead and rant.  Just try to take things moment by moment.  Baby steps.... :)

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You generalized and included all women!

They will eat you alive on here.
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He should be so lucky  :o

re: "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" - I've read nearly all of it, and it does contain a lot of truth, especially about the different ways men and women view the same things.  But it's written in such an amazingly annoying style, and repeats itself SOOOOO many times, again and again, over and over (ok, you've got the message ;-)), that I would recommend seeing if you can find a copy in the library rather than buying it yourself.

John, women are (by and large) not insane - nor even illogical: but the way they use logic is very, very different to us guys.  Accepting this rather than arguing about it is a major part of any long-term relationship (and is especially true of marriage).  But it does sound like you've been burned by a rather noxious example of the gender - why is it that the caring, loving members of one sex always seem to end up with the bastards of the other?  On second thoughts, that's a question which almost answers itself.

Hope it wears off soon, and you can get back to normality

Phil

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Oh and by the way, the shoe thing is not because magazines tell us to buy them it's because the little voice in our head tells us we need them..........
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Whew. I thought it was just me.  ;D Seriously, John, Gis is absolutely right. As is Philbo, Dagwood, Ricecube, etc. You have a lot of friends here who want to help if they can.  :)

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John_Seminal, why do you feel that working women are "evil"? My own mother was working when I was born, and since my father died when I was two, she's had to bring my sister and I up on one person's salary. It's a good thing she trained as an anaesthetist before her husband died. If she'd been a housewife, we'd just be living on benefits.
If your views are correct, and women that work are indeed "evil", then does that mean that girls should be denied an education, in case the unthinkable happens, and they get enough qualifications for a job when they grow up?
If one woman hurt you, then contempt for her is only to be expected. But not for the whole female population.
Learn to trust others, and they'll trust you. And perhaps you will find someone who will love you.
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@sskicker, I have to say, when I read this post, I forgot you are only 13, you have a lot of wisdom.

John, part of me would like to slap you around a little, but you're hurting and ranting, so I can understand why you've written some of the things you've written (it still doesn't mean I have to like it, though).  No one, and I repeat, no one is worth suicide.  Relationships change, people change.  We've only heard your side of the story (and not much of that either, but enough to surmise she betrayed you some how, either cheated on you or left you or something) so I am not making any judgements on who is right and who is wrong.  Think about this, and think about it hard, would you really have wanted her to stay with you if she didn't love you?  In my own opinion, the idea of true love is a Hollywood pipe dream.  And to think of suicide over a person, that isn't love, that's obsession.  Like I said, I don't know the whole story.  Five years is a long time, however, it does not mean everlasting love.  Starting over from scratch is scary, but it's not the end of the world.  It's okay to grieve, and it's okay to hate her (as long as you take no action on it, even if you have the desire for revenge, be the better person and resist it) and feel angry, that's all part of getting over a relationship gone bad.

After you've done your grieving, move on, when you're ready for a new relationship, you'll know.  If you still love her, don't burn your bridges behind you.  I don't know if love can withstand everything, but it sure can forgive a lot.  Betrayed trust is hard to get over, and I wish you the best.

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John_Seminal, why do you feel that working women are "evil"? My own mother was working when I was born, and since my father died when I was two, she's had to bring my sister and I up on one person's salary. It's a good thing she trained as an anaesthetist before her husband died. If she'd been a housewife, we'd just be living on benefits.
If your views are correct, and women that work are indeed "evil", then does that mean that girls should be denied an education, in case the unthinkable happens, and they get enough qualifications for a job when they grow up?
If one woman hurt you, then contempt for her is only to be expected. But not for the whole female population.
Learn to trust others, and they'll trust you. And perhaps you will find someone who will love you.
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I do not believe I ever wrote that "working women are evil." What I believe is modern culture has changed the values of women for the worse. The values of truth and honesty have been replaced with wanting to look the way the media tells you to look, or subscribe to a philosophy such as feminism. Personally, I think all people should go to college and get a good education. I also think women should work if that is what they want to do. What I disagree with is all the images that the media displaying, that if you want to be "happy" or "wanted" you have to buy into what they are selling. For example, how many women on TV do you see which are of a normal weight and how many look extrodinarily thin? Is this healthy? And how much time will you waste trying to become something you are not? Why not spend that time finding out what you like and want in life without being told?

I think things are better when they are basic. Is the person a good human being? Are they honest and trustworthy? This means more to me than if you have a job and are independantly wealthy or if you have the right shoes or right outfit. I need someone I can trust, and without trust it hurts because you always think the worst.

BTW, @sskicker, for a 13 year old you are sharp. I did not target my rant toward women in particular. Sometimes you just need to blow off steam and yesterday was a horrible day for me.

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He should be so lucky  :o

re: "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" - I've read nearly all of it, and it does contain a lot of truth, especially about the different ways men and women view the same things.  But it's written in such an amazingly annoying style, and repeats itself SOOOOO many times, again and again, over and over (ok, you've got the message ;-)), that I would recommend seeing if you can find a copy in the library rather than buying it yourself.

John, women are (by and large) not insane - nor even illogical: but the way they use logic is very, very different to us guys.  Accepting this rather than arguing about it is a major part of any long-term relationship (and is especially true of marriage).  But it does sound like you've been burned by a rather noxious example of the gender - why is it that the caring, loving members of one sex always seem to end up with the bastards of the other?  On second thoughts, that's a question which almost answers itself.

Hope it wears off soon, and you can get back to normality

Phil
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What sucks even more is when you love that other person.

Thanks to everyone who said such nice things. I did not mean to offend anyone. It is amazing how someone can lash out when hurt. And that is not me, I am a loving person. I guess I invested too much in that relationship and that is why it hurt so much. I should have been smarter.

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Almost everyone goes through love and loss at one point or another in their life.

I did.

Time is the answer.

Give yourself time to heal.

Don't deny that to yourself, no matter how angry and bitter you feel right now.

It will pass, rest assured.  :)
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Agreed here Hair....I am coming out of a 5 year marriage...and my sister just ended her 16 year marriage.  It is very hard to start over at first...but with each day it gets a little better.  Not to say you won't still have bad days along with the good.  But know that you are still a person, you still have worth...and with time, will find that special someone really meant for you, and then all the hurt you are feeling now will just be a memory.

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Well, You never told us exactly what happened....

But I think the song applies to the overall message that some things happen for the best.  :)

Good things happen when you least expect them.
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She was my best friend. There is not that much to say. I do remember a time, a year after we first met, it was christmas, and I was leaving her parents house. She was in the car with me and said she had a gift. She opened her purse, and took out a condom. I told her "thanks, but I have plenty" and gave it back. Back then I thought of her as a sister. I still do in many ways, or at least wish I could. My greatest happines was in watching her achieve things she thought she could not. I helped her get her degree, writing her papers and studying with her til 3am many nights. Now she is done, and I was a tool. She is the kind willing to use people to get what she wants. Ain't it funny, she defined me, and I do not know who I am or what I like. All I can do is be in pain, and not let anyone get close.

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She was my best friend. There is not that much to say. I do remember a time, a year after we first met, it was christmas, and I was leaving her parents house. She was in the car with me and said she had a gift. She opened her purse, and took out a condom. I told her "thanks, but I have plenty" and gave it back. Back then I thought of her as a sister. I still do in many ways, or at least wish I could. My greatest happines was in watching her achieve things she thought she could not. I helped her get her degree, writing her papers and studying with her til 3am many nights. Now she is done, and I was a tool. She is the kind willing to use people to get what she wants. Ain't it funny, she defined me, and I do not know who I am or what I like. All I can do is be in pain, and not let anyone get close.
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Your kindness to her will be rewarded one way or another through life.  :)

However,  you must not be so bitter. You did what you wanted to do for her. You chose to help her and be there for her. You chose to be supportive. She was the very willing recipient.

Perhaps you thought she would grow to love you in the process of or because of your devoted support?

If you choose to be a friend, helper and support to someone, that should come with no strings. A true friend gives themselves freely, expecting nothing in return.

I don't mean to sound preachy. I've made some choices, whether consciously or subconsciously, thinking they were the right thing at the time.

Those realization periods really do suck!  :P

Sometimes people have to learn some of life's lessons the hard way.

I am a survivor of some of life's suckier episodes.

And here I am! Happy as a lark!!!  :D

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If you choose to be a friend, helper and support to someone, that should come with no strings. A true friend gives themselves freely, expecting nothing in return.

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I agree 100%. I used to believe in unconditional love. It just sucks when someone else tells you they love you too, and they do not. It is like she decided "If I act like I love him, then he will do all these things for me". Men can be so blind. I swear I am like a dog who will do anything for a "Good boy, your my good little doggy. Yes I love you, yes I do." I am so fricking dumb and accepting. Now I am at the other end of the spectrum, dark, pessimistic and cynical. It is hard to be caring, I do not want to feel this way ever again.

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Maybe we should all set up a "Betrayed Boyfriends" club :D  But I'm sure one already exists in the land of stand-up comics ;)