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Subject: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: RockandRollFan on 04/29/02 at 09:09 a.m.

I was just listening to the radio while dropping my boys off at school when the DJ said....call now to win at 1-800-BobTom1, to which my youngest asked what those numbers were.  Why can't they just say the numbers you need to dial..I hear this All the time and IMO it's annoying ???..to nitpicky?  What are your thoughts on this rather boring subject! :)

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: Crazy Don on 04/29/02 at 09:24 a.m.

Years ago, most phone numbers consisted of an exchange and five numbers and to dial someone, you dialed the first two letters of the exchange (if the exchange were two words, you dialed the first two letters of the first word!) and then the five-digit number.  For example, when I was a kid, my phone number was DIckens x-xxxx (I'm not giving it out) and to call it, you would call DI (34) then the five-digit number.  For example, these numbers have made their way into song titles, such as "BEechwood 4-5789" by the Marvelettes (also recorded by the Beatles and the Carpenters), "PEnnsylvania 6-5000" by Glenn Miller, and "LOnesome 7-7203" by Hawkshaw Hawkins.  For more information, visit:

http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html

which explains it all.  In fact, New York City was one of the last places on earth where there were two-letter/five-digit phone numbers.  It also explains why all area codes before 1995 had a "0" or "1" as a second digit, since those two numbers did not have a letter assigned to them.

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: BadAngel on 04/29/02 at 09:38 a.m.

crazydon, that's a load of info!  Thanx, I never knew that!  But still, they didn't need the letters...they could have dialed the numbers, as they did anyway.   ???

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: Kryllith on 04/29/02 at 09:43 a.m.

Besides, apparently people have an easier time remember a word or two than set of numerals.  For a good time dial 1-900-Kryl'ith

Kryllith

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: ChuckyG on 04/29/02 at 10:37 a.m.


Quoting:
crazydon, that's a load of info!  Thanx, I never knew that!  But still, they didn't need the letters...they could have dialed the numbers, as they did anyway.   ???
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you're forgetting that before the 1960s, most people talked to an operator to place a call, long distance or local. Much easier to say a name and have no confusion as to which numbers the person stated

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: XenaKat13 on 04/29/02 at 01:41 p.m.

I checked with mom on this one, she was born in 1927.

The first two letters corresponded to the name of the neighborhood you lived in.  My mother's number was FA5-XXXX
(for the neighborhood called FAirview).

This would also prevent you from being mistakenly connected to Mr. John Doe, whose number might be MH5-XXXX (for Mount Hope, which was  two blocks away from mom's house).

And now that we have to dial all kinds of area codes just to make a local call, many businesses are looking to the letters as a mnemonic device.  It is easier for me to remember to dial 1-800-BUY-THIS, than to remember 1-800-123-4567-8910 ect. ect.

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: RockandRollFan on 04/29/02 at 02:12 p.m.

Okay guys, so they had used letters Before....but why do they need them NOW?  I do like it though when they include the corrosponding numbers just below the letters...in certain ads.  :)

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: Bobo on 04/29/02 at 02:16 p.m.

This thread has got me thinking... why do they have # and * buttons on (at least these) telephones? All I can think of are the Games companies putting out cheatlines saying # is to go back one, and * to go back to the beginning. Can anyone shed light on this?

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: ... on 02/02/04 at 01:46 p.m.


Quoting:
Okay guys, so they had used letters Before....but why do they need them NOW?  I do like it though when they include the corrosponding numbers just below the letters...in certain ads.  :)
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I agree with you 100%. One thing that I DON'T understand, however, is sometimes in ads they give words that are longer than 7 letters in phone numbers, like 1-800-MY TOYOTA. I know that you only dial the first seven, but why do they have to include subsequent letters? Some people would find that misleading. How about Progressive (auto insurance)? That word's 11 letters long!

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: Fred on 02/02/04 at 03:32 p.m.

If you look at the phone one number represents 3 letters.

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: gumbypiz on 02/02/04 at 08:23 p.m.


Quoting:
This thread has got me thinking... why do they have # and * buttons on (at least these) telephones? All I can think of are the Games companies putting out cheatlines saying # is to go back one, and * to go back to the beginning. Can anyone shed light on this?
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Actually if you notice this, press two keys on the same row or two on the same column, you'll notice that they create a simalar tone, the reason that 'ol Ma Bell brought about touch tone was to make dialing easier and take the human operater out of the equation. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, (I'll get to zero later) was fine but in order for the tones to work (at least when they developed touch tone in the early 60's) they need four rows of three. The # & * were added to solve the problem, plus telephone techs used the # & * for testing the tones on line and volt checks without actually triggering a switch.

You'll also notice that you don't even need to use the tones to dial, try this (even on an old rotary phone), lift up the receiver, and click or flash it for each number you want to dail (ex. flash four times for 4, 7 for 7 etc.) this will work for every number execpt zero. Zero is a combo of all tones, it isn't actually a tone to itself, that's why zero used to be for OPERator, it signaled the switches just for them, indivdual tones in combo with zero meant that an actual phone number was being signaled to the switches...
This is what I learned while I worked briefly at Pac (Pacific) Bell/SBC and Verizon, although it has some holes in the concept, I know that the phone companies go out of their way to make EVERYTHING they do CONFUSING & COMPLICATED. So if it sounds convoluted and unneeded thats because they want it to be..

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: Bobo on 02/02/04 at 10:36 p.m.

An answer to a query I made so long ago that I don't remember it!

Thanks for the information, gumbypiz! I understand stuff better now!

Picking up on a previous point, though:

On a certain Simpsons episode, people are told to phone KLONDIKE 5-3226 (with apologies for my lack of fluency with phone number formats). So, what this means, I presume, is that they'd phone:

5 3 2 2 6 ?

Is this right? I'm not very well versed in areas such as this.

Quoting:

Actually if you notice this, press two keys on the same row or two on the same column, you'll notice that they create a simalar tone, the reason that 'ol Ma Bell brought about touch tone was to make dialing easier and take the human operater out of the equation. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, (I'll get to zero later) was fine but in order for the tones to work (at least when they developed touch tone in the early 60's) they need four rows of three. The # & * were added to solve the problem, plus telephone techs used the # & * for testing the tones on line and volt checks without actually triggering a switch.

You'll also notice that you don't even need to use the tones to dial, try this (even on an old rotary phone), lift up the receiver, and click or flash it for each number you want to dail (ex. flash four times for 4, 7 for 7 etc.) this will work for every number execpt zero. Zero is a combo of all tones, it isn't actually a tone to itself, that's why zero used to be for OPERator, it signaled the switches just for them, indivdual tones in combo with zero meant that an actual phone number was being signaled to the switches...
This is what I learned while I worked briefly at Pac (Pacific) Bell/SBC and Verizon, although it has some holes in the concept, I know that the phone companies go out of their way to make EVERYTHING they do CONFUSING & COMPLICATED. So if it sounds convoluted and unneeded thats because they want it to be..
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Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: gumbypiz on 02/03/04 at 02:35 a.m.


Quoting:
Picking up on a previous point, though:

On a certain Simpsons episode, people are told to phone KLONDIKE 5-3226 (with apologies for my lack of fluency with phone number formats). So, what this means, I presume, is that they'd phone:

5 3 2 2 6 ?

Is this right? I'm not very well versed in areas such as this.
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Exactly, it would be KLondike 5-3226, or 555-3226, in days of yore the first two letters would be capitalized. The 555 exchange being the standard TV exchange number, it didn't exsist (though I read isometime ago that it actually does now but only for some private held clec/phone line lease number).

Subject: Re: WHY Letters On Phone Key Pads?!

Written By: karen (Guest) on 02/04/04 at 03:28 a.m.

The same system used to be in the UK.  In old films they would call Scotland Yard on Whitehall 1212.  Schott's Original Miscellany gives the list of all the old London exchanges and I bet that many numbers still exist is those locations that start with the old exchange code.

Some companies used them letters as an aid to rememberiing internal numbers.  Allegedly a company used MEND for the maintenance crew, POST for the mail room etc.  Then someone noticed the manager's number spelt TWIT!