That's So Raven came out in the end of 2003 and is more of a mid 2000s show. As for Everybody Hates Chris that's more of a mid-late 2000s show due to being made in 2005 and ending in 2009.


That's So Raven came out towards the beginning of 2003 (January), but it's still a mid 2000's show though.

Well barely. You could see some TV shows that star black people as their main characters. But that would mostly come from BET or something like that.
Well Kerry Washington for one is pretty popular nowadays. I guess she would fit in your "just barely" category.

Well Kerry Washington for one is pretty popular nowadays. I guess she would fit in your "just barely" category.


As someone who doesn't really watch TV that much since 2013, I don't really know a lot about modern TV. The only shows that I would watch are HBO shows like The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Boardwalk Empire, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, and Oz. Sometimes, I would watch MLB games, but only if they're interesting to me.

Yep. Like I said, most non-AA folks don't know most of the black TV shows or movies that's on today. If I asked someone about if he or she knows a movie like Think like a Man, the person wouldn't know what I'm talking about.
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Yeah, they are, but I think what was SpyroKev was trying to say is that black culture is not as dominant as the mainstream like it was a decade or two ago. I mean there's not much non-trap rap or R&B or even Jazz.
Didn't Jazz die along with George Benson and Al Jarreau's mainstream music career by 1984? I think Al had a hit with "Moonlighting" in 1987 off the soundtrack for "Moonlighting" but he wasn't popular like he was in 1982-1983 by 1987. "A Called Tribe Called Quest" definately had Jazz infuences in their music and that was in the 90's.

Anyways on a seperate note I actually thought about this a couple months ago and urban music was pretty big from 1987 with Keith Sweat's hit "I Want Her' to Lil Wayne's mid-2008 hit "Lolipop". Than after that urban music took a dive in popularity. Urban music I'm sure will get big again during my lifetime because music goes in cycles.

As someone who doesn't really watch TV that much since 2013, I don't really know a lot about modern TV. The only shows that I would watch are HBO shows like The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Boardwalk Empire, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, and Oz. Sometimes, I would watch MLB games, but only if they're interesting to me.
Yeah I am not a big TV watcher either and don't watch many shows except for sports or politics. I did like "The Sopranos" though when it was popular.

Yeah I am not a big TV watcher either and don't watch many shows except for sports or politics. I did like "The Sopranos" though when it was popular.


Same with me. I do watch some news sometimes. Especially when it's about this year's presidential election.

Didn't Jazz die along with George Benson and Al Jarreau's mainstream music career by 1984? I think Al had a hit with "Moonlighting" in 1987 off the soundtrack for "Moonlighting" but he wasn't popular like he was in 1982-1983 by 1987. "A Called Tribe Called Quest" definitely had Jazz influences in their music and that was in the 90's.

Anyways on a separate note I actually thought about this a couple months ago and urban music was pretty big from 1987 with Keith Sweat's hit "I Want Her' to Lil Wayne's mid-2008 hit "Lolipop". Than after that urban music took a dive in popularity. Urban music I'm sure will get big again during my lifetime because music goes in cycles.
Well I think it did mainstream wise, but underground it was still there. It might not have been full jazz, but it was absolutely fused in with other genres.

Oh, I think so too. One day, Urban music will be popular again, but I think it took a step back for now considering it was everywhere and the fact that some folks still can't stand rap even though not all is about "cars, money & h*es".

Oh, I think so too. One day, Urban music will be popular again, but I think it took a step back for now considering it was everywhere and the fact that some folks still can't stand rap even though not all is about "cars, money & h*es".


Well, it's not clear that everyone thinks that way about modern rap. I just think rap nowadays is just full of dumb noises and incoherent lyrics. It doesn't really mean anything to me, and it's weird that it's mainstream towards the general population.

Well I think it did mainstream wise, but underground it was still there. It might not have been full jazz, but it was absolutely fused in with other genres.

Oh, I think so too. One day, Urban music will be popular again, but I think it took a step back for now considering it was everywhere and the fact that some folks still can't stand rap even though not all is about "cars, money & h*es".


and I'm one of them. ::)

Yeah I've always felt like the 90s seemed less racist than today, even though that's probably not true. Honestly, I really can't judge how racist people are to black people, as I am not black myself.
I feel like 9/11 probably fuelled a lot of prejudice in America.

Yeah I've always felt like the 90s seemed less racist than today, even though that's probably not true. Honestly, I really can't judge how racist people are to black people, as I am not black myself.
I feel like 9/11 probably fueled a lot of prejudice in America.


I may be half-black, but I never really got that much prejudice for some reason. Even though I live in a conservative borough in New York City, it never was the case where somebody called me a racial slur or anything. As for post-9/11 racism, I think it just went towards Muslims.

Does anyone else get the impression that Y2K-era teen culture was pretty whitewashed, unlike that of the core '90s?

I think the 80's were a fantastic time for black folks.

I think the 80's were a fantastic time for black folks.


I think the 80s, 90s, and 2000s were cool for black people.

Well, it's not clear that everyone thinks that way about modern rap. I just think rap nowadays is just full of dumb noises and incoherent lyrics. It doesn't really mean anything to me, and it's weird that it's mainstream towards the general population.
Not just modern rap, but all types of rap as well. There's lots of folks who still despise gangsta rap and crunk rap despite them being irrelevant in the last several years.


and I'm one of them. ::)
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I may be half-black, but I never really got that much prejudice for some reason. Even though I live in a conservative borough in New York City, it never was the case where somebody called me a racial slur or anything. As for post-9/11 racism, I think it just went towards Muslims.
Same here. Maybe it has to do with your personality.


Does anyone else get the impression that Y2K-era teen culture was pretty whitewashed, unlike that of the core '90s?
What do you mean by that?


I think the 80's were a fantastic time for black folks.
Yeah, it was! However, it's #3 on the list.


I think the 80s, 90s, and 2000s were cool for black people.
Yeah, these decades are truly the top 3 for black folks ;)

Not just modern rap, but all types of rap as well. There's lots of folks who still despise gangsta rap and crunk rap despite them being irrelevant in the last several years.


I thought a lot of black people liked gangsta rap, since it did make hip hop influential towards the mainstream media.

Same here. Maybe it has to do with your personality.

It may have to deal with the fact that I act white. Especially when I live in a suburban neighborhood.


Yeah, these decades are truly the top 3 for black folks ;)


Agreed.

I thought a lot of black people liked gangsta rap, since it did make hip hop influential towards the mainstream media.

It may have to deal with the fact that I act white. Especially when I live in a suburban neighborhood.

Agreed.
Well they do and it was significant in the media, but I meant that non-black folks don't like rap in general especially if they are older. The first sub-genre of rap they all heard back then was the gangsta type thanks to NWA.

Oh well that does tend to happen. Sometimes, you have to change your attitude to avoid prejudice or some folks will lump with you in with the stereotypical ones.

Well they do and it was significant in the media, but I meant that non-black folks don't like rap in general especially if they are older. The first sub-genre of rap they all heard back then was the gangsta type thanks to NWA.


I think it was because NWA was somehow like the first rap group that gain controversial attention, especially when they made a song called "F*ck da Police". Not only did that song pissed a lot of police officers, but also had the FBI warning NWA to not play that song during their concerts.


Oh well that does tend to happen. Sometimes, you have to change your attitude to avoid prejudice or some folks will lump with you in with the stereotypical ones.


Usually, I don't really act that black. I grew up in a racially mixed neighborhood (my neighbors are either Puerto Rican, African American, European American, and Chinese American). Especially when I grew up in a interracial family (my dad's black, while my mom's white).

This was definitely a big decade for African Americans! I remember all those awesome shows and the wonderful R&B music 😍

I may be half-black, but I never really got that much prejudice for some reason. Even though I live in a conservative borough in New York City, it never was the case where somebody called me a racial slur or anything. As for post-9/11 racism, I think it just went towards Muslims.


I thought I was white until I was 13  ;D I grew up in a 99% white neighbourhood but never really experienced any racism. The only time someone was directly racist to me was in 2012 when I was on the bus. Some middle school aged kids started calling me names, but I pretended to not hear them (I had my headphones on). Thankfully I was off literally the next stop.

I thought I was white until I was 13  ;D I grew up in a 99% white neighbourhood but never really experienced any racism. The only time someone was directly racist to me was in 2012 when I was on the bus. Some middle school aged kids started calling me names, but I pretended to not hear them (I had my headphones on). Thankfully I was off literally the next stop.


I never really gave a crap about my race. I thought I was just like the characters from my favorite children's books (Olivia, Harold and the Purple Crayon, Chrysanthemum, Where the Wild Things Are), even though I grew out of it after I was about 6 and a half.

I never really gave a crap about my race. I thought I was just like the characters from my children's books (Olivia, Harold and the Purple Crayon, Chrysanthemum, Where the Wild Things Are), even though I grew out of it after I was about 6 and a half.


Exactly how it should be!  :D

Exactly how it should be!  :D


Yeah. I don't know why people really identify that much towards their race. Especially in the United States. Even though I'm mixed race, it didn't really matter towards what race do I identify best with. I usually identify with how happy I was as a kid, and how I felt mature over the years. I listen to the music that I like, because it's like a work of art. It has feelings, settings, and overall atmosphere. Not because a lot of people in the race that I usually identify with listen to it.

Yeah. I don't know why people really identify that much towards their race. Especially in the United States. Even though I'm mixed race, it didn't really matter towards what race do I identify best with. I usually identify with how happy I was as a kid, and how I felt mature over the years. I listen to the music that I like, because it's like a work of art. It has feelings, settings, and overall atmosphere. Not because a lot of people in the race that I usually identify with listen to it.


Oh, I see. I can see why people identify with race, but your growing up experience sounds pretty cool too.

Oh, I see. I can see why people identify with race, but your growing up experience sounds pretty cool too.


It has to deal with them (especially minorities) being racially segregated, even though it's immoral (to most people) and illegal in the United States. But yeah, growing up with children's books as a young kid gave me an identity somehow. Same with PBS Kids and Nick Jr. shows (e.g. Dragon Tales, Oswald, Maggie and the Ferocious Beast, George Shrinks, etc).

I thought I was white until I was 13  ;D I grew up in a 99% white neighbourhood but never really experienced any racism. The only time someone was directly racist to me was in 2012 when I was on the bus. Some middle school aged kids started calling me names, but I pretended to not hear them (I had my headphones on). Thankfully I was off literally the next stop.
You're from Canada, right? That might have something to do with it.

I thought I was white until I was 13  ;D I grew up in a 99% white neighbourhood but never really experienced any racism. The only time someone was directly racist to me was in 2012 when I was on the bus. Some middle school aged kids started calling me names, but I pretended to not hear them (I had my headphones on). Thankfully I was off literally the next stop.

What ethnicity are you?

Its a shame that the culture isn't as big as it used to be. There are not many shows or films geared toward Blacks. The times there are, they're not popular. R&B, as I've discussed before, is not like it used to be. Its not even really R&B anymore! The Rap & Hip-Hop these days is no good. Even legends like to "convert" to the crap that is mainstream. Wayne Carter only cares about Nicki's booty and his purple drink. Drake is a good singer but I don't like his raps. I want to hear fun songs like "Tennessee" and "The Humpty Hump". Real songs about the toughness of life like "Dear Mama". Also, I enjoyed the Gangsta Rap. Snoop and Daz and Pac were true idols. As cheesy as No Limit and early Cash Money were, I'll take those any day over what's on the radio now. Also, there was plenty of good rap in the early - mid 00's. I enjoyed Snap. And Ludacris was a favorite of mine.

So many great black shows of the 90's and early 00's:

Living Single, A Different World, Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, Martin, The Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air, Sister Sister, The Wayans Bros, In Living Color, The Jamie Foxx Show, The Steve Harvey Show, Moesha, Thea, My Brother And Me, Kenan & Kel, Cousin Skeeter, New York Undercover, Family Matters, For Your Love, The Hughleys, Sparks, Smart Guy, In The House, Cosby

Soul Food, My Wife & Kids, Girlfriends, All Of Us, Cuts, Half & Half, Eve, One On One, That's So Raven, The Parkers, The Bernie Mac Show, All About The Andersons, Like Family

Its a shame that the culture isn't as big as it used to be. There are not many shows or films geared toward Blacks. The times there are, they're not popular. R&B, as I've discussed before, is not like it used to be. Its not even really R&B anymore! The Rap & Hip-Hop these days is no good. Even legends like to "convert" to the crap that is mainstream. Wayne Carter only cares about Nicki's booty and his purple drink. Drake is a good singer but I don't like his raps. I want to hear fun songs like "Tennessee" and "The Humpty Hump". Real songs about the toughness of life like "Dear Mama". Also, I enjoyed the Gangsta Rap. Snoop and Daz and Pac were true idols. As cheesy as No Limit and early Cash Money were, I'll take those any day over what's on the radio now. Also, there was plenty of good rap in the early - mid 00's. I enjoyed Snap. And Ludacris was a favorite of mine.

So many great black shows of the 90's and early 00's:

Living Single, A Different World, Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, Martin, The Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air, Sister Sister, The Wayans Bros, In Living Color, The Jamie Foxx Show, The Steve Harvey Show, Moesha, Thea, My Brother And Me, Kenan & Kel, Cousin Skeeter, New York Undercover, Family Matters, For Your Love, The Hughleys, Sparks, Smart Guy, In The House, Cosby

Soul Food, My Wife & Kids, Girlfriends, All Of Us, Cuts, Half & Half, Eve, One On One, That's So Raven, The Parkers, The Bernie Mac Show, All About The Andersons, Like Family


Real R&B became extinct by 2007. I have a belief that the more advance music became, disallowed the soul. If you look back to the earlier 2000s and 90s, R&B is supposed to have a balance of old school and futuristic. I'll list Aaliyah as an example.

If you look at Lil Wayne in his early Cash Money days, he was way more human then compared to now.

Real R&B became extinct by 2007. I have a belief that the more advance music became, disallowed the soul. If you look back to the earlier 2000s and 90s, R&B is supposed to have a balance of old school and futuristic. I'll list Aaliyah as an example.

If you look at Lil Wayne in his early Cash Money days, he was way more human then compared to now.


I felt like 2006 was more sane towards R&B than the later years of the 2000s. When I heard of Irreplaceable by Beyonce that year, it felt majestic. Even though I would rather listen to 2000s R&B instead of the crap we have today, It's like early-mid 2000s black music was the sh*t for me.

I think the 80's were a fantastic time for black folks.

Yeah... but nothin compared to the 90s and 00s.

Does anyone else get the impression that Y2K-era teen culture was pretty whitewashed, unlike that of the core '90s?

Yep. when the millennium era of NSYNC, Britney and BB started the black culture's popularity was briefly pushed aside; despite DMX and Eminem ruling the charts and shows like Moesha, Steve Harvey, and Jamie Foxx.

I don't even consider Obama black. Just 50%/50%. I wish he was more brown.

Understandable, since Obama is technically mixed race.



But dude... I'm a bit light skinned myself. ::)  Yet... I consider myself black, I don't have to be dark skinned. ;D

Not just modern rap, but all types of rap as well. There's lots of folks who still despise gangsta rap and crunk rap despite them being irrelevant in the last several years.
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Same here. Maybe it has to do with your personality.
What do you mean by that?
Yeah, it was! However, it's #3 on the list.
Yeah, these decades are truly the top 3 for black folks ;)


You mean to tell me it wasn't #1? ???

This was definitely a big decade for African Americans! I remember all those awesome shows and the wonderful R&B music 😍


Are you referring to the 80's?

You mean to tell me it wasn't #1? ???


Well, not everybody thinks that it's #1. It's subjective.

You're from Canada, right? That might have something to do with it.


How do you mean? Canada isn't utopia, but I wouldn't really hesitate in saying it's the least racist country on earth (not that there was much competition). For one, we're the only Western country without a far-right party. ;D


What ethnicity are you?


South Asian, but light skinned, which is why I thought I was white lol.


Well, not everybody thinks that it's #1. It's subjective.


Wasn't there a huge cocaine epidemic that killed a lot of people?

Wasn't there a huge cocaine epidemic that killed a lot of people?


If you're talking about the drug war, then I guess so. The 80s were notorious for that, although I still enjoy their pop culture.

Are you referring to the 80's?

Nope she's talking bout the 90s Howard.

I felt like 2006 was more sane towards R&B than the later years of the 2000s. When I heard of Irreplaceable by Beyonce that year, it felt majestic. Even though I would rather listen to 2000s R&B instead of the crap we have today, It's like early-mid 2000s black music was the sh*t for me.


I was going to say 2006 my self, but Mary J. Blige made a surprising comeback in 2007 with Just Fine, which is on pair with her older hits.

If you look at Lil Wayne in his early Cash Money days, he was way more human then compared to now.

Yes that's so true! He's like an android robot now...

How do you mean? Canada isn't utopia, but I wouldn't really hesitate in saying it's the least racist country on earth (not that there was much competition). For one, we're the only Western country without a far-right party. ;D


That's what made Canada look better than the U.S. in comparison.


South Asian, but light skinned, which is why I thought I was white lol.


I looked white on pictures when I was a newborn to about 7 or 8. It might have to deal with my melanin developing somewhere between those ages.

Yep. when the millennium era of NSYNC, Britney and BB started the black culture's popularity was briefly pushed aside; despite DMX and Eminem ruling the charts and shows like Moesha, Steve Harvey, and Jamie Foxx.
That's why I had a racial complex when I was in preschool, kindergarten, and the first few years of elementary.

Real R&B became extinct by 2007. I have a belief that the more advance music became, disallowed the soul. If you look back to the earlier 2000s and 90s, R&B is supposed to have a balance of old school and futuristic. I'll list Aaliyah as an example.

If you look at Lil Wayne in his early Cash Money days, he was way more human then compared to now.
He became mainstream in 2008 when he became really popular.

I was going to say 2006 my self, but Mary J. Blige made a surprising comeback in 2007 with Just Fine, which is on pair with her older hits.
Her 90's stuff is great.

I looked white on pictures when I was a newborn to about 7 or 8. It might have to deal with my melanin developing somewhere between those ages.


Were your childhood photos taken in film? Going by my childhood photos, the camera tends to make people look whiter, and make white people look pink ;D


That's why I had a racial complex when I was in preschool, kindergarten, and the first few years of elementary.


I thought you lived in the Philippines?

Oh, Filipinos have racial complexes too.

Were your childhood photos taken in film? Going by my childhood photos, the camera tends to make people look whiter, and make white people look pink ;D


My baby pictures were taken in either a film or digital camera. My family does have a lot of pictures of me as a baby, especially with two albums for it. There's also pictures of me when I was in preschool, but I'm not sure where my family puts it. For my other pictures taken from 2005-2007, I think it was taken by a digital camera. In fact, it's stored on a SD card. So, I guess there's that.

Yep. when the millennium era of NSYNC, Britney and BB started the black culture's popularity was briefly pushed aside; despite DMX and Eminem ruling the charts and shows like Moesha, Steve Harvey, and Jamie Foxx.
Actually, I say they were side to side especially since R&B was huge during that era. Keep in mind there were black millennium era acts such as Destiny's Child, 3LW, Jagged Edge, Blaque, Next, etc.

Actually, I say they were side to side especially since R&B was huge during that era. Keep in mind there were black millennium era acts such as Destiny's Child, 3LW, Jagged Edge, Blaque, Next, etc.


Blackstreet were a phenomenon.

Blackstreet were a phenomenon.
Them too! They were everywhere.

Blackstreet were a phenomenon.

I love them ☺

I love them ☺
Were there any other urban artists you liked?

Were there any other urban artists you liked?

There were so many! It would take forever to list them!

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That's a pretty cool way to describe African American culture in the early 90s.

That's a pretty cool way to describe African American culture in the early 90s.


Thank you.