IMHO
1989-1994(The heart of the Disney Renaissance): Little Mermaid, Rescuers Down Under, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King

1995: The low point(Pocahontas)

1996-1999:(The dying days of the Renaissance): Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan

The curtain call/Grand Finale: Fantasia 2000


Pretty much. Pocahontas can be seen as the worst movie. And all the 1995/6-1999 films did worse than Lion King in 1994 which gives off a downhill decline as time moved on.

For me, it would be Tarzan (1999). I rewatched that movie on Netflix about a year ago and found myself underwhelmed and unimpressed with it. It was definitely a pedestal below the earlier Renaissance movies.

I don't know why people say 1999/2000 was the end for the Disney Renaissance. We still had a lot of great Disney movies from the early 2000s. I'd say that the Renaissance died with Brother Bear. Then they faced a mediocre era in the mid-late 2000s with their movie division.

I don't know why people say 1999/2000 was the end for the Disney Renaissance. We still had a lot of great Disney movies from the early 2000s. I'd say that the Renaissance died with Brother Bear. Then they faced a mediocre era in the mid-late 2000s with their movie division.

Disney Renaissance's golden age

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eLLkDhwaXbY/maxresdefault.jpg

The downturn!
https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/24/A70-12132

The latter years of the Renaissance
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The curtain call
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Transitional period
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Early Post Renaissance
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Transition to the latter post Renaissance (second dark age)
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Latter post Renaissance
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Disney Renaissance's golden age

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eLLkDhwaXbY/maxresdefault.jpg

The downturn!
https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/24/A70-12132

The latter years of the Renaissance
http://images.bwwstatic.com/upload10/446001/1998-03-12Hunchback_of_Notre_Dame1.jpg
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The curtain call
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Transitional period
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Early Post Renaissance
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Transition to the latter post Renaissance (second dark age)
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Latter post Renaissance
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Seems about right.

I would say Toy Story 2. It seemed by this time, Pixar was kinda coming into it's own and everything was heading towards digital animation and effects.

I would say Toy Story 2. It seemed by this time, Pixar was kinda coming into it's own and everything was heading towards digital animation and effects.

I don't think a PIXAR movie ended the Renaissance.

I don't think a PIXAR movie ended the Renaissance.


If there was one film that completely threw a stake into the heart of the Disney Renaissance, it's Shrek. That film was like the perfect anti-Disney Renaissance movie.

If there was one film that completely threw a stake into the heart of the Disney Renaissance, it's Shrek. That film was like the perfect anti-Disney Renaissance movie.

Yup, This ALL THE WAY. That movie ushered in kind of a new era of animated movies. It blew me away first seeing it at 5/6. Ironically, it came out the same year Atlantis the lost empire did, which I consider to be the first true post renaissance movie.

I could see it then that Disney had been dethroned, Pixar and Dreamworks were officially the new kings of animation.

Yup, This ALL THE WAY. That movie ushered in kind of a new era of animated movies. It blew me away first seeing it at 5/6. Ironically, it came out the same year Atlantis the lost empire did, which I consider to be the first true post renaissance movie.

I could see it then that Disney had been dethroned, Pixar and Dreamworks were officially the new kings of animation.


Yep, while Disney was entire their post-renaissance and releasing movies like Chicken Little and Meet the Robinson Pixar was releasing movies like Incredibles, Find Nemo, Wall-E, Up, and Monsters Inc. And Dreamworks had Shrek, Flushed Away, Madagascar,  Kung Fu Panda, and even movies that weren't well recieved critically, but did well commercially like Sharktale and Bee Movie.

The Emperor's New Groove, period.  I don't understand why most accounts end the Disney Renaissance with Tarzan when the Emperor's New Groove came out one year later in 2000 and was still a box-office success.

Dreamworks ruled the 2000s and it all started with Shrek in 2001.  Atlantis was the first movie from Disney that really had a post-renaissance feel to it.

If there was one film that completely threw a stake into the heart of the Disney Renaissance, it's Shrek. That film was like the perfect anti-Disney Renaissance movie.


Shrek even destroyed the Disney Renaissance. It's what made Dreamworks popular during the 2000s.

Yup, This ALL THE WAY. That movie ushered in kind of a new era of animated movies. It blew me away first seeing it at 5/6. Ironically, it came out the same year Atlantis the lost empire did, which I consider to be the first true post renaissance movie.

I could see it then that Disney had been dethroned, Pixar and Dreamworks were officially the new kings of animation.


Yeah, people were more excited to see movies made by Pixar and Dreamworks back in the 2000s.

The Emperor's New Groove, period.  I don't understand why most accounts end the Disney Renaissance with Tarzan when the Emperor's New Groove came out one year later in 2000 and was still a box-office success.

Except it wasn't a box office success. It only made $169.3 million worldwide on a budget of $100 million, easily the worst returns of any film in the Disney canon since The Rescuers Down Under (the next lowest-grossing Renaissance film was Hercules, which made nearly $100 million more than Emperor and on a smaller budget). In fact, even Atlantis: The Lost Empire outgrossed The Emperor's New Groove, totaling in at $186.1 million.

The Emperor's New Groove, period.  I don't understand why most accounts end the Disney Renaissance with Tarzan when the Emperor's New Groove came out one year later in 2000 and was still a box-office success.

Dreamworks ruled the 2000s and it all started with Shrek in 2001.  Atlantis was the first movie from Disney that really had a post-renaissance feel to it.

This!!!!!! :D  Except Pixar mainly ruled the 2000s Dreamworks was second!

This!!!!!! :D  Except Pixar mainly ruled the 2000s Dreamworks was second!


Pixar did dominated Disney in the 2000s, so I could get that.

Pixar did dominated Disney in the 2000s, so I could get that.

Yep, Shrek being released along with Atlantis the Lost Empire; which I agree with Chris on it being the first post Renaissance movie, is another reason why the 2000s for movies started in 2001.

I've seen some purists say that The Lion King was the last true movie of the Renaissance, with Pocahontas and The Hunchback of Notre Dame ushering in the Post Renaissance era. Needless to say, I think that's absurd. Both movies did well at the box office, and are (at least to me) even better in hindsight than they seemed 20 years ago. In particular, I think Pocahontas suffered somewhat critically because it had the difficult task of following The Lion King, but I just watched that movie again about a year or so ago and it still holds up really well to me.

So, yeah, I'd probably agree that the Renaissance ended around the turn of the millennium, probably with The Emperor's New Groove. Atlantis, being such a major box office flop, is undeniably the first Post Renaissance movie.

Shrek 2 is awesome!

So, yeah, I'd probably agree that the Renaissance ended around the turn of the millennium, probably with The Emperor's New Groove. Atlantis, being such a major box office flop, is undeniably the first Post Renaissance movie.


But The Emperor's New Groove did even worse! People really seem to forget how underwhelming that movie's returns were because it got better reviews than Atlantis: The Lost Empire and is more of a cult hit. There's no way The Emperor's New Groove is a Renaissance film, it isn't even a broadway-style musical and has far less of a focus on ambitious visuals and more on its comedy (Aladdin was a very humorous movie as well, but it was still an epic fairytale at the same time).

This!!!!!! :D  Except Pixar mainly ruled the 2000s Dreamworks was second!


I think even Tarzan feels somewhat post-Renaissance-ish, mostly due to the broadway musical numbers being replace by overdubbed Phil Collins pop songs, which is what they did with Brother Bear a few years later. It's also one of the weakest Renaissance movies, in my opinion. However, since it performed so well at the box office, it's easier to just sort with the Renaissance period.

I think even Tarzan feels somewhat post-Renaissance-ish, mostly due to the broadway musical numbers being replace by overdubbed Phil Collins pop songs, which is what they did with Brother Bear a few years later. It's also one of the weakest Renaissance movies, in my opinion. However, since it performed so well at the box office, it's easier to just sort with the Renaissance period.


Tarzan had a great soundtrack!  8)

Tarzan had a great soundtrack!  8)


I liked Tarzan's soundtrack (bought the official CD), but I can understand everyone's issue with it.

I think even Tarzan feels somewhat post-Renaissance-ish, mostly due to the broadway musical numbers being replace by overdubbed Phil Collins pop songs, which is what they did with Brother Bear a few years later. It's also one of the weakest Renaissance movies, in my opinion. However, since it performed so well at the box office, it's easier to just sort with the Renaissance period.

Phil Collins singing the songs are a mere coincidence. It still felt renaissance like Mulan.

But The Emperor's New Groove did even worse! People really seem to forget how underwhelming that movie's returns were because it got better reviews than Atlantis: The Lost Empire and is more of a cult hit. There's no way The Emperor's New Groove is a Renaissance film, it isn't even a broadway-style musical and has far less of a focus on ambitious visuals and more on its comedy (Aladdin was a very humorous movie as well, but it was still an epic fairytale at the same time).

Emperors New Groove is basically the definition of a transitional movie regarding Disney. Even though it isn't apart of the Renaissance, it still kinda had that feel though. However, Atlantis was LEGITIMATELY the first TRUE post renaissance feel.

Tarzan had a great soundtrack!  8)

That soundtrack always gets me in a nostalgic mood!

That soundtrack always gets me in a nostalgic mood!


Phil Collins!

I liked Tarzan's soundtrack (bought the official CD), but I can understand everyone's issue with it.


The movie to me, is like a late 1990's Lion King.

Phil Collins singing the songs are a mere coincidence. It still felt renaissance like Mulan.


Hardly a coincidence when you consider it was a conscious decision on behalf of the Disney Studio to reuse Phil Collins instead of bringing back the broadway format well into the post-Renaissance period.


Emperors New Groove is basically the definition of a transitional movie regarding Disney. Even though it isn't apart of the Renaissance, it still kinda had that feel though. However, Atlantis was LEGITIMATELY the first TRUE post renaissance feel.


How does The Emperor's New Groove have a Renaissance feel in the least? It feels a lot more like a DreamWorks movie than a 90s Disney film. It has no in-movie songs aside from the goofy Tom Jones number at the beginning, the visuals aren't as much of a focus, the direction is extremely comic, there's constant use of the fourth wall and pop cultural references, it's clearly trying hard to be modern, far more so even than Aladdin and Hercules, both of which still put story, songs, and visuals first despite things like the Robin Williams Genie and James Woods as Hades.

Tarzan, Fantasia 2000, and Dinosaur are really the true transitional films between the Renaissance and post-Renaissance. They all strayed from the broadway format, yet at the same time retained a lot of the timeless magnificence that represented the Disney studio's 90s films. The Emepror's New Groove is a good movie, but for completely different reasons than the Disney Renaissance films.

Quality alone isn't even the only thing that should distinguish the two eras - Pocahontas received weaker reviews than most post-Renaissance Disney films, while Lilo & Stitch earned a very positive reception. It's ultimately the respective styles that make the two films possible to categorize; Pocahontas is a visually-driven broadway musical, whereas Lilo & Stitch is a non-musical that takes place in modern-day Hawaii and features aliens.

I've never seen so many arguments ardently defending The Emperor's New Groove as a Disney Renaissance movie until this thread.

The movie to me, is like a late 1990's Lion King.

Just like Hercules was kinda like a late 90s Aladdin.

How does The Emperor's New Groove have a Renaissance feel in the least? It feels a lot more like a DreamWorks movie than a 90s Disney film. It has no in-movie songs aside from the goofy Tom Jones number at the beginning, the visuals aren't as much of a focus, the direction is extremely comic, there's constant use of the fourth wall and pop cultural references, it's clearly trying hard to be modern, far more so even than Aladdin and Hercules, both of which still put story, songs, and visuals first despite things like the Robin Williams Genie and James Woods as Hades.

Tarzan, Fantasia 2000, and Dinosaur are really the true transitional films between the Renaissance and post-Renaissance. They all strayed from the broadway format, yet at the same time retained a lot of the timeless magnificence that represented the Disney studio's 90s films. The Emepror's New Groove is a good movie, but for completely different reasons than the Disney Renaissance films.

Quality alone isn't even the only thing that should distinguish the two eras - Pocahontas received weaker reviews than most post-Renaissance Disney films, while Lilo & Stitch earned a very positive reception. It's ultimately the respective styles that make the two films possible to categorize; Pocahontas is a visually-driven broadway musical, whereas Lilo & Stitch is a non-musical that takes place in modern-day Hawaii and features aliens.

I've never seen so many arguments ardently defending The Emperor's New Groove as a Disney Renaissance movie until this thread.

That's the way I felt then, and you aren't going to change my mind. I also wouldn't go as far as to say it felt like a Dreamworks film, give me a break.
That's debatable I might make a topic about this later in the evening probably; but I NEVER EVER considered Tarzan to be a transitional movie. Fantasia 2000 was always the grand finale of that run imo. Now Dinosaur I DEFINITELY agree with. If you saw my post I made earlier describing the eras; you'll know that I think that movie along with Emperors were THE transitional movies.

That's the way I felt then, and you aren't going to change my mind. I also wouldn't go as far as to say it felt like a Dreamworks film, give me a break.

DreamWorks is usually more off-color and humor-driven, and that's exactly what The Emperor's New Groove was. It's full of jokes that would feel completely out of place in any Disney Renaissance film, even Aladdin and Hercules (mostly the fourth wall gags and stuff like the secret laboratory).

That's debatable I might make a topic about this later in the evening probably; but I NEVER EVER considered Tarzan to be a transitional movie. Fantasia 2000 was always the grand finale of that run imo. Now Dinosaur I DEFINITELY agree with. If you saw my post I made earlier describing the eras; you'll know that I think that movie along with Emperors were THE transitional movies.


Tarzan is still Disney Renaissance by popular consensus, but the Phil Collins soundtrack certainly differentiates it from its predecessors at least to some degree. Fantasia 2000 is a great film and easily one of the more underrated movies in the Disney canon, but it did pretty poorly at the box office and wasn't a traditional fairytale (in my opinion, it's neither Renaissance, nor post-Renaissance, but rather its own thing).

I agree. I don't see how The Emperor's New Groove is a Disney Renaissance movie in any way. It's feel is much closer to Atlantis and Lilo and Stitch than to even the latter-Renaissance movies. It's a super 70's-nostalgic movie set in Incan times which focuses more on feeling modern rather than "classic".

I agree. I don't see how The Emperor's New Groove is a Disney Renaissance movie in any way. It's feel is much closer to Atlantis and Lilo and Stitch than to even the latter-Renaissance movies. It's a super 70's-nostalgic movie set in Incan times which focuses more on feeling modern rather than "classic".


It was a fun movie.

I liked Tarzan's soundtrack (bought the official CD), but I can understand everyone's issue with it.


Hercules soundtrack was the greatest. I recorded it on cassette, and even recorded myself singing it ;D

It was a fun movie.


I agree. That movie rules.

I agree. That movie rules.


The emperor is very sarcastic and pompous.  ;D

The emperor is very sarcastic and pompous.  ;D


Yep! "It's all about ME! ME! ME!"

Kronk and Ezma have got to be one of the greatest team of villains ever.

Yep! "It's all about ME! ME! ME!"

Kronk and Ezma have got to be one of the greatest team of villains ever.


People seem to believe that The Black Cauldron, in 1985, was the low point of the 'dark' era of Disney movies.

People seem to believe that The Black Cauldron, in 1985, was the low point of the 'dark' era of Disney movies.


I haven't seen that movie in forever! I don't remember it being all to great, though.

I haven't seen that movie in forever! I don't remember it being all to great, though.


It's still much better than Oliver & Company, but it wasn't as kid-friendly or marketable as that, hence its failure and Eilonwy being denied Disney Princess membership.

It's still much better than Oliver & Company, but it wasn't as kid-friendly or marketable as that, hence its failure and Eilonwy being denied Disney Princess membership.


They were both pretty bad snooze fests but I hadn't seen either of them since I was a kid. I forgot her name was "Elionwy" like... What the hell kind of name is Eilonwy?

Gotta agree that Emperor's New Groove doesn't feel at all like the Disney template up to that point. The humor and story of that movie was much closer to something like Shrek or Ice Age than it was to the '90s Disney classics.

Tarzan was probably the end of that era of hand-drawn animated, classical Disney stories being met with commercial+critical success. That IMO is what marked the Disney Renaissance period. Rescuers Down Under notwithstanding, I'd say that it stretched from The Little Mermaid until Tarzan.

It's still much better than Oliver & Company, but it wasn't as kid-friendly or marketable as that, hence its failure and Eilonwy being denied Disney Princess membership.


I enjoyed Oliver & Company. I saw it when I was a kid and watched it again in 2012 and I liked it both times. It really seems like you're just reciting critical opinion. You said Pocahontas "sucked" (it didn't, you just exaggerate how bad everything is), and now you're saying Oliver & Company is bad too? Give me a break..

I enjoyed Oliver & Company. I saw it when I was a kid and watched it again in 2012 and I liked it both times. It really seems like you're just reciting critical opinion. You said Pocahontas "sucked" (it didn't, you just exaggerate how bad everything is), and now you're saying Oliver & Company is bad too? Give me a break..


I'm really not as pessimistic as you've constantly been trying to argue as of late. Pocahontas and Oliver & Company are actually in my bottom 5 films in the whole 55-film Disney canon, the only worse movies being Chicken Little and Home on the Range. I've seen both multiple times and genuinely didn't care for them.

Actually, Oliver & Company is excellent during its first 10 minutes or so, including the somber and criminally underrated Huey Lewis number, "Once Upon a Time in New York City," as well as the incredibly infectious "Why Should I Worry," but everything after the latter song sequence is just generic family entertainment with stock characters and little development in the leads. It's like the studio was really excited about the movie early in its production but then got bored after a bit of time and decided to just rush the rest of it.

As for Pocahontas, the entire film is rather forgettable, with the glaring exception of one thing: "Colors of the Wind." That song sequence is undeniably some of the best 3 and a half minutes in Disney history and still gives me chills whenever I see it. I just wish the rest of the film had been as visually driven, as opposed to clashing mostly flat characters and failed comic relief with the potently magnificent scenery. I don't know when I specifically said that movie "sucked," but it's still undoubtedly one of the lesser films in the Disney canon. I just find the feature overall boring, as it's missing the sense of adventure and charm of most Disney films of its era.

Oh, and just for the record, it's not just the critics who didn't care that much for Oliver & Company and Pocahontas. The former has a 6.7 IMDB average, while the latter has a 6.6; on a general level, those are adequate mean scores, but by Disney standards, they're below average. A lot of the positive reviews, anyway, are probably the result of childhood Disney nostalgia.

It's still much better than Oliver & Company, but it wasn't as kid-friendly or marketable as that, hence its failure and Eilonwy being denied Disney Princess membership.

Yeah Black Cauldron was the sheesh!!!!! :D :D :D

Oliver and Company was 80's as hell!  ::)

I'm saying that as a good thing, to be clear.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bOTDVT7v15I/hqdefault.jpg

I only like Pocahontas because of the ice cream series that came out during that era.

Oliver and Company was 80's as hell!  ::)

I'm saying that as a good thing, to be clear.


Which is interesting as Disney movies never really give off the vibe of the era that they came from.

Which is interesting as Disney movies never really give off the vibe of the era that they came from.


Emperor's New Groove felt pretty early 00's to me.

Emperor's New Groove felt pretty early 00's to me.


I agree.

Which is interesting as Disney movies never really give off the vibe of the era that they came from.


I couldn't tell what year Beauty and the Beast came out if I didn't know the year. :.shrugs shoulders:.

Anyone notice that the 1989 to 1994 era of the 90's renaissance is more well loved than the 1995 to 1999/2000 years?  ???

I couldn't tell what year Beauty and the Beast came out if I didn't know the year. :.shrugs shoulders:.


It came out in 1991.

It came out in 1991.


Oh, I know that. I'm just saying that without knowing that it came out precisely in 1991, I couldn't have guess it.

Emperor's New Groove felt pretty early 00's to me.

It kinda did, but then again it was still pretty transitional.

I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story 2 with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.

I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.


I just associate Toy Story 2 with the core Y2K era, aka Spring 1999 - September 11, 2001. It didn't lean strongly towards the past, nor the future. It's a sequel to a mid-90s movie and came out at the end of the chronological 90s, but it's part of Pixar's golden age, which extends all the way up to 2010 with Toy Story 3.

I just associate Toy Story 2 with the core Y2K era, aka Spring 1999 - September 11, 2001. It didn't lean strongly towards the past, nor the future. It's a sequel to a mid-90s movie and came out at the end of the chronological 90s, but it's part of Pixar's golden age, which extends all the way up to 2010 with Toy Story 3.

Fair enough! :)

I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story 2 with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.


Well.. even though Toy Story 2 was more popular in the early '00s, I still find it to be very 90s. I mean, a lot of people were excited about the movie during its theatrical release. Hell, I bet if you go on YouTube, tons of 90s kids would say they loved Toy Story 2 as a kid.

I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story 2 with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.


I associate everything from 1998 and 1999 with the early 00's and everything from 2000/2001/2002 with the late 90's.


It kinda did, but then again it was still pretty transitional.



I dunno if I can agree. To me, it has the same feel of Lilo and Stitch and Atlantis.

I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story 2 with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.
For me personally I would have to say yes. When I talk of 90s movies I usually have a strange look when somebody mentions Toy Story 2 being that it came out so late in 1999 it only had theatrical run for only one full month of the 90s unlike the 1st Toy Story which came out during the heart of the 90s. I would associate Toy Story 2 mostly with the year 2000 and very early 2001.

The renaissance ended around the 1600's!  :D

The renaissance ended around the 1600's!  :D


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Morgan Freeman is God. The racists will have an emotional breakdown!  ::)  :D

Morgan Freeman is God. The racists will have an emotional breakdown!  ::)  :D


Hahaha, the entire south will freak out. ;D

Well.. even though Toy Story 2 was more popular in the early '00s, I still find it to be very 90s. I mean, a lot of people were excited about the movie during its theatrical release. Hell, I bet if you go on YouTube, tons of 90s kids would say they loved Toy Story 2 as a kid.

Actually when I first saw Toy Story when it was out, it looked and FELT brand new to me. The first toy story had that iconic classic 90s feel to it. Toy Story 2 on the other hand...like Infinity and Jordan said was VERY Y2K like.

For me personally I would have to say yes. When I talk of 90s movies I usually have a strange look when somebody mentions Toy Story 2 being that it came out so late in 1999 it only had theatrical run for only one full month of the 90s unlike the 1st Toy Story which came out during the heart of the 90s. I would associate Toy Story 2 mostly with the year 2000 and very early 2001.

Me too. During the time it was out,that movie impacted young ''90s kids''(like yourself) and older ''00s kids'' equally. That movie felt Y2Kish, and looked REALLY brand new.

Hahaha, the entire south will freak out. ;D


Yes,.....yes they will!  :(

Actually when I first saw Toy Story when it was out, it looked and FELT brand new to me. The first toy story had that iconic classic 90s feel to it. Toy Story 2 on the other hand...like Infinity and Jordan said was VERY Y2K like.


Well... it does have a Y2K vibe, so yeah.

Morgan Freeman is God. The racists will have an emotional breakdown!  ::)  :D


I think the most Southern/pro-Confederate states would cause a riot towards Morgan Freeman, if that were the case.

YES!!!! Dinosaur, Emperor's, Atlantis, Lilo and Stitch, Treasure Planet were all pretty good to me then! I just didn't think they were ANYTHING compared to Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan.

If you ask me, the real "low point" of Disney movies had to be 2004-2006.

People often say how the early 2000s were their lowest, but if you ask me, it's the mid 2000s. The Wild, Chicken Little, and Home on the Range are just bad.

If you ask me, the real "low point" of Disney movies had to be 2004-2006.

People often say how the early 2000s were their lowest, but if you ask me, it's the mid 2000s. The Wild, Chicken Little, and Home on the Range are just bad.

Yup I agree 100% Disney just didn't give a f*ck during that time. They got so cocky and decided to make pointless sequels to hit films and you can tell they decided to focus more on their shows rather than their big movies.

Yup I agree 100% Disney just didn't give a f*ck during that time. They got so cocky and decided to make pointless sequels to hit films and you can tell they decided to focus more on their shows rather than their big movies.


Honestly, Lilo and Stitch 2 was a pretty good sequel, IMO. Even if it was straight-to-DVD, it felt more charismatic than most of the Disney sequels in the mid 2000s. Same with Leroy and Stitch, although it was the series finale to the TV series.

Honestly, Lilo and Stitch 2 was a pretty good sequel, IMO. Even if it was straight-to-DVD, it felt more charismatic than most of the Disney sequels in the mid 2000s. Same with Leroy and Stitch, although it was the series finale to the TV series.

True. ::)  Also Brother Bear 2 was decent, Lion King 2 I also enjoyed.
And the Aladdin Sequels were probably the best Disney sequels. :D

True. ::)  Also Brother Bear 2 was decent, Lion King 2 I also enjoyed.
And the Aladdin Sequels were probably the best Disney sequels. :D


Brother Bear 2 was really enjoyful to me. Also, I think I remember when I watched The Lion King 2, which was decent as a sequel.

Yup I agree 100% Disney just didn't give a f*ck during that time. They got so cocky and decided to make pointless sequels to hit films and you can tell they decided to focus more on their shows rather than their big movies.

Actually Disney started making cheap sequels in the mid 90s.

The mid 00s are where they *ended*.

Actually Disney started making cheap sequels in the mid 90s.

The mid 00s are where they *ended*.

True.  when Pixar bought them, they were like ''no more sh*ty sequels!!'' ;D ;D ;D

Actually Disney started making cheap sequels in the mid 90s.

The mid 00s are where they *ended*.



True.  when Pixar bought them, they were like ''no more sh*ty sequels!!'' ;D ;D ;D


Then they invested more into Pixar's animation during the late 2000s, until they made Tangled in 2010.

I consider the Emperor's New Groove to be the final Renaissance movie.  I don't see why it wouldn't be as it followed the same formula as many of the movies considered to be a part of the Renaissance and it was commercially successful.  Lilo & Stitch was the first post-Renaissance movie.  The '00s was dominated by Dreamworks primarily and Disney took a back seat.

One of the hallmarks of the Disney Renaissance is almost all of the films were historical fantasies or dealt with royalty in some fashion.

I consider the Emperor's New Groove to be the final Renaissance movie.  I don't see why it wouldn't be as it followed the same formula as many of the movies considered to be a part of the Renaissance and it was commercially successful. 


Because it wasn't really as memorable as the other Renaissance movies. Hell, even Pocahontas (despite being very historically inaccurate), and the other movies made from the late 90s were kinda better than The Emperor's New Groove in a way. I could get that it's underrated, but Dreamworks was starting to slowly take over Disney's popularity in the early 2000s. So I could get why people, even in this forum, say that it's not that much of a Renaissance movie.


One of the hallmarks of the Disney Renaissance is almost all of the films were historical fantasies or dealt with royalty in some fashion.


So does most Disney movies from the 20th century.

Because it wasn't really as memorable as the other Renaissance movies. Hell, even Pocahontas (despite being very historically inaccurate), and the other movies made from the late 90s were kinda better than The Emperor's New Groove in a way. I could get that it's underrated, but Dreamworks was starting to slowly take over Disney's popularity in the early 2000s. So I could get why people, even in this forum, say that it's not that much of a Renaissance movie.

So does most Disney movies from the 20th century.


The Emperor's New Groove wasn't memorable for me because I was past the age of appeal for Disney movies by the time it came out (Mulan was the last one I remember really enjoying).  I remember a lot of kids around 2000 liking it though.  You are right though, by that time Dreamworks had slowly begun taking over Disney's popularity.  That wouldn't become clear though until a year later, with Monsters Inc.

Edit: I don't understand the hate for Pocahontas.  It wasn't as good as the Lion King but I still really enjoyed it.  Honestly, it's difficult to top the Lion King and I still don't think Disney has topped it since.

Mulan for me, Tarzan always felt like a classic Disney movie, but it didn't feel like it went with the Disney Renaissance era to me, I just get a different feeling from that movie, maybe it's because of that tv show it had in the 2000s, but it felt different, I don't know, that's probably just me, but it felt like it fit more with Emperor's New Groove and Lilo & Stitch. Little Mermaid to Mulan for me.

The Emperor's New Groove wasn't memorable for me because I was past the age of appeal for Disney movies by the time it came out (Mulan was the last one I remember really enjoying).  I remember a lot of kids around 2000 liking it though.  You are right though, by that time Dreamworks had slowly begun taking over Disney's popularity.  That wouldn't become clear though until a year later, with Monsters Inc.


I consider Pixar to be quite different compared to Disney, since they do have different ways of telling their stories. Plus, their atmosphere is more sci-fi, since they tend to have more movies about life forms and machines, compared to Disney's fascination with fairy tales and history.

Actually Disney started making cheap sequels in the mid 90s.

The mid 00s are where they *ended*.


Yep, but it's funny that in the 10s Disney doesn't make cheap sequels anymore. There have been hints of Frozen 2, Tangled 2, Wreck it Ralph 2, and a Big Hero 6 sequel, but I get the feeling that Frozen 2 and Wreck it Ralph 2 would get actual theatrical releases instead of direct-to-video. And Tangled/Big Hero 6 have already been announced to have a sequel in the form of a TV series in 2017. Guess Disney has learned their lessons and are stepping up their game. Especially since TV shows that're based on Disney movies (such some of the One Saturday Morning and Disney Afternoon cartoons) actually ended up being pretty decent.

The Lion King is my favorite Disney Renaissance movie of all time, with Aladdin being my 2nd favorite. My favorite Pixar movie of all time is The Incredibles, with the Toy Story trilogy being my 2nd favorite.

Sorry if I missed, but did anybody on here make a thread about the Lion King live-action remake being planned?

Sorry if I missed, but did anybody on here make a thread about the Lion King live-action remake being planned?


I don't think so.