I forgot all about the sagging pants. It only got worse as time went on.

Yes, it did. Even now, some people sag especially with skinny jeans.
The Urban Dictionary states that:

"...originally meant you were gay in prison (much research into finding and confirming that) but somehow became fashionable."

What about 90s hip-hop fashion?


Here we arrive at why I wanted to travel back to 1985 in 1995. Everything fell flat in the Clinton 90s, from my perspective anyway.

In the early 90s, the hottest gear around was leather African medallions, Rhythm Nation hats, Triple Fat Goose, beepers, Champion sweaters, turtlenecks, small chains, Flava Flav clock necklaces, polka dot shirts, hoodies, name chains, small earrings to go in one ear, bamboo earrings (holdover), hoop earrings, the NWA look (including Starter Jackets), plastic chains you would get from vending machines at Wal-Mart, parka jackets, overalls with one strap down, college football team sweaters, backwards hats, Cross Colors, sneakers and hats with the tags still on and 8 ball leather jackets and Timberland boots.

All I have for the mid 90s are Carthartt jackets and Ben Davis shirts. There were probably a few more. To me, the Clinton 90s really paled in comparison to the early 90s when Bush 1 was President.

Here we arrive at why I wanted to travel back to 1985 in 1995. Everything fell flat in the Clinton 90s, from my perspective anyway.

In the early 90s, the hottest gear around was leather African medallions, Rhythm Nation hats, Triple Fat Goose, beepers, Champion sweaters, turtlenecks, small chains, Flava Flav clock necklaces, polka dot shirts, hoodies, name chains, small earrings to go in one ear, bamboo earrings (holdover), hoop earrings, the NWA look (including Starter Jackets), plastic chains you would get from vending machines at Wal-Mart, parka jackets, overalls with one strap down, college football team sweaters, backwards hats, Cross Colors, sneakers and hats with the tags still on and 8 ball leather jackets and Timberland boots.

All I have for the mid 90s are Carthartt jackets and Ben Davis shirts. There were probably a few more. To me, the Clinton 90s really paled in comparison to the early 90s when Bush 1 was President.


Would you have loved the 90s even more if Bush 1 had won the 1992 presidential election?

Would you have loved the 90s even more if Bush 1 had won the 1992 presidential election?


I can assure you the mid 90s would have been a whole lot different. Somethings would be the same as how they were during Clinton's first term. No, I probably wouldn't like the mid 90s any more than I do now.

I can assure you the mid 90s would have been a whole lot different. Somethings would be the same as how they were during Clinton's first term. No, I probably wouldn't like the mid 90s any more than I do now.
And then the late 90s would have been completely different as well.

And then the late 90s would have been completely different as well.


It would all depend on God's hand upon us. Pop culture institutions of the 2000s would still show up somewhere in Bush's second term.

I forgot all about the sagging pants. It only got worse as time went on.


or wearing your pants backwards.

The 90s was a very diverse decade for music.  I don't consider grunge to be the be-all-end-all of 90s music but it played a significant part.  When I think of the mid-90s, I think of euro-dance and hip-hop just as much as I do grunge.
I can agree with that, the 90s were a very diverse decade when it came to music.

Why are so many people on this site so anti-grunge?


I dunno man, I used to like grunge until I was getting at an age where that type of music doesn't do it for me anymore.  I mean, why would I listen to depressing music when I am trying to get my life together?

Why are so many people on this site so anti-grunge?
I can only speak for myself here, when grunge first appeared I took an instant dislike to it, to save time. For me it is not music, just shouting!

Agreed.

I mean I can still listen to Alice in Chains, but I always saw them as a heavy metal band if anything else.  Grunge to me all sounds the same.

I can only speak for myself here, when grunge first appeared I took an instant dislike to it, to save time. For me it is not music, just shouting!

Agreed.

I mean I can still listen to Alice in Chains, but I always saw them as a heavy metal band if anything else.  Grunge to me all sounds the same.
True, I never was into heavy metal due to the loudest of it all, I wish to preserve my hearing.

I can only speak for myself here, when grunge first appeared I took an instant dislike to it, to save time. For me it is not music, just shouting!


I hated grunge.

or wearing your pants backwards.


How did this slip my mind? Remember the 1992 Snow Beach Ralph Lauren Sport Jackets? Those were flying off the shelves at Macys a little after Kris Kross released "Jump"?

Agreed.

I mean I can still listen to Alice in Chains, but I always saw them as a heavy metal band if anything else.  Grunge to me all sounds the same.


So Pearl Jam sounds like Alice in Chains to you?

How did this slip my mind? Remember the 1992 Snow Beach Ralph Lauren Sport Jackets? Those were flying off the shelves at Macys a little after Kris Kross released "Jump"?


and that became a fad.

I hated grunge.
That is one way of putting it?

So Pearl Jam sounds like Alice in Chains to you?
Each heavy metal group sounds the same, all of them very loud.

So Pearl Jam sounds like Alice in Chains to you?


No...but so almost all the other bands in the era sounded like either Pearl Jam or Nirvana.

I don't think it is happening, but gosh I hope not. Generation X had way better taste than Generation Y. Millennials were the ones who popularized low-rise jeahttp://www.inthe00s.com/Themes/core/images/bbc/bold.gifns, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, southern hip-hop (not even a '90s thing), and teen pop. Yeah, pretty much all of the things I hate.

I want a Generation X pop culture revival!
Those 3 are very early Millennials born in the early 80's.

I don't think it is happening, but gosh I hope not. Generation X had way better taste than Generation Y. Millennials were the ones who popularized low-rise jeans, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, southern hip-hop (not even a '90s thing), and teen pop. Yeah, pretty much all of the things I hate.

I want a Generation X pop culture revival!
Since when have Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and Justin Timberlake been considered gunge?

I forgot all about the sagging pants. It only got worse as time went on.
Yeah I used to sag or  my pants. You look back on it its like "what I was thinking"?

I dunno man, I used to like grunge until I was getting at an age where that type of music doesn't do it for me anymore.  I mean, why would I listen to depressing music when I am trying to get my life together?
Yeah same here. I still have respect for Grunge Music but I haven't listened to it in 10 years almost I think.

and that became a fad.


Yes.

I remember those Looney Tunes shirts with Bugs and Daffy dressed like Kris Kross from early '93. People were wearing large translucent pacifiers on rope necklaces at that time also. The pacifier necklaces were popularized by Chili of TLC, but you don't hear much about them today.

Each heavy metal group sounds the same, all of them very loud.


and annoying.

Since when have Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and Justin Timberlake been considered gunge?


all of them are considered teen pop.

all of them are considered teen pop.
...and not grunge!

I feel like nostalgia for grunge was actually probably more popular ten years ago than now.  Ten years ago, I think a lot of 90s nostalgia (though far less of it existed then than now) focused on the early and mid part of the decade, particularly on stuff like grunge and gangsta rap. 

Now, I feel like the winds of nostalgia have shifted and the period of the 90s most focused on now is the decade's second half.  Stuff like the Backstreet Boys and the Spice Girls seem to receive more nostalgia than Nirvana these days, I would argue. 

On another note, I used to love grunge ten years ago, despite having only been a toddler when it was popular.  90s and 00s alternative rock was the soundtrack to my high school days.  These days though, I hardly ever listen to the 90s stuff.  Maybe I just listened to it too much back then or my tastes changed, one of the two.

Grunge is cool, but I don't think it's the best genre of the entire '90s. I like the Hip-Hop and R&B way better.

Grunge is cool, but I don't think it's the best genre of the entire '90s. I like the Hip-Hop and R&B way better.

Grunge was just a very specific type of alternative rock, not the definition of alternative rock in the 90's. IMO nu-metal trumps grunge by a long shot. R&B was never better than the mid 90's, especially with the female singers.

People love them some grunge, but I doubt it's gonna come back into the mainstream. That would be weird.

I think the poppier stuff that complemented grunge at the time actually has dated or held up better. Bands like Collective Soul, The Gin Blossoms, Better Than Ezra, "The Wallflowers, "The Counting Crows", and even  music from "Stone Temple Pilots" has held up better than music from The Seattle Bands with the exception of  Soundgarden maybe currently.

"Stone Temple Pilots" they are sort of the link between the Seattle Bands and the poppier stuff like Collective Soul and "The Counting Crows".

I think the poppier stuff that complemented grunge at the time actually has dated or held up better. Bands like Collective Soul, The Gin Blossoms, Better Than Ezra, "The Wallflowers, "The Counting Crows", and even  music from "Stone Temple Pilots" has held up better than music from The Seattle Bands with the exception of  Soundgarden maybe currently.

"Stone Temple Pilots" they are sort of the link between the Seattle Bands and the poppier stuff like Collective Soul and "The Counting Crows".


But The Wallflowers and Gin Blossoms weren't grunge! Are you just talking about regular alternative rock?

But The Wallflowers and Gin Blossoms weren't grunge! Are you just talking about regular alternative rock?
Well maybe Alternative Rock in Collective Soul's case yeah. Gin Blossoms were more of a Progressive Rock Band.

People love them some grunge, but I doubt it's gonna come back into the mainstream. That would be weird.


Exactly. I think that post grunge lasted far too long for that to happen any time soon.

Yes.

I remember those Looney Tunes shirts with Bugs and Daffy dressed like Kris Kross from early '93. People were wearing large translucent pacifiers on rope necklaces at that time also. The pacifier necklaces were popularized by Chili of TLC, but you don't hear much about them today.


I think my cousins had a few of those shirts but I thought the pacifier was more of the rave party culture

Why are so many people on this site so anti-grunge?


I wouldn't say I'm exactly anti-grunge, but I hate when people say it killed off glam metal right away in September of 1991.

While I'm cool with the music of the time, I never did like the style. Looking like a grubby hobo in lumberjack plaids sucked and even at 6 years old, I knew I didn't like it. I don't like plaid in general.

While I'm cool with the music of the time, I never did like the style. Looking like a grubby hobo in lumberjack plaids sucked and even at 6 years old, I knew I didn't like it. I don't like plaid in general.


It wasn't so bad at first in the fall of 1992.

http://images1.musicfeeds.com.au/0de330f8f5a505e0e48427feded93e2d-640x360.png

https://n0stal9ia.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/marc-jacobs-x-perry-ellis-1992.jpg

The crimson flannel look of 1994 is just depressing.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y9xoFK6JkBM/TlVFlZCwLtI/AAAAAAAADHo/eSZqeHyPhkU/s1600/katy.jpg

Thank god 1998 happened!

Of course Grunge is fondly remembered, what kind of question is this???

The crimson flannel look of 1994 is just depressing.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y9xoFK6JkBM/TlVFlZCwLtI/AAAAAAAADHo/eSZqeHyPhkU/s1600/katy.jpg

Thank god 1998 happened!


In one of your earliest posts you said you lived in Dayton, Ohio for most of the '90s. Did you move out in 1998? The midwest was about three years behind in fashion trends back then. People in the midwest in general tend to wear what they like most, but there are some stylish people there. I lived in Bellbrook, Ohio from July 2005 until May 2010.

Grunge fashion peaked in late '93/early '94. Going by the midwest, grunge would have peaked in late '96/early '97. Was that your experience? In another post somewhere you also said you and your peers didn't start wearing flannel until November 1994. My dad, who was born in 1966, said he saw people wearing flannel in late 1991/early 1992. Guess where they lived before California? Ohio! This is really fishy...

My parents lived in California from December 1993 until April 1998. My mom, who was born in 1963, said young people started to dress more preppy or hip-hop by 1995. White people were dressing as black people and acting black. Looking at pictures from then, it seems that preppy was comprised of The Gap or Land's End. Is 1998 when you experienced my mom's 1995 experience?

Grunge fashion peaked in late '93/early '94. Going by the midwest, grunge would have peaked in late '96/early '97. Was that your experience? In another post somewhere you also said you and your peers didn't start wearing flannel until November 1994.


That was my experience also. I don't remember anyone around me wearing dark colored flannel in 1993. It looked more the garments these two are wearing:

http://vickiehowell.com/uploaded_images/me&amy-93-788956.JPG

Looking back, my friends and I were late to the trend, but everyone at our school looked like this at the time:

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/punkybshouse/5622726876/in/search_QM_q_IS_flannel+1994_AND_mt_IS_all_AND_w_IS_all

My dad, who was born in 1966, said he saw people wearing flannel in late 1991/early 1992. Guess where they lived before California? Ohio! This is really fishy...

As you can see from this 1989 photo, Metalheads were mainly the ones wearing flannel before grunge took off :

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wGWyEldKdFM/TaeWUMKyACI/AAAAAAAAARk/ICuKAP7Hndc/s1600/ss-110406-mall-scenes-searsmullets.ss_full.jpg

I'm willing to bet the people wearing flannel in late '91/'92 resembled lumberjacks like the woman pictured here in this early 90s photo:

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/lobstar/224806632/in/search_QM_q_IS_flannel+1989_AND_mt_IS_all_AND_w_IS_all

This look did not rear it's ugly head until sometime late in the summer of 1992:

http://images1.musicfeeds.com.au/0de330f8f5a505e0e48427feded93e2d-640x360.png

My parents lived in California from December 1993 until April 1998. My mom, who was born in 1963, said young people started to dress more preppy or hip-hop by 1995. White people were dressing as black people and acting black. Looking at pictures from then, it seems that preppy was comprised of The Gap or Land's End. Is 1998 when you experienced my mom's 1995 experience?

Brands like Tommy Hilfiger, Nautica and Polo Sport were going strong in the mid 90s:

https://fornaught415.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/work-it-snoop-dogg-in-tommy.jpg

I don't remember anyone wearing flannel in 1998.  This look was coming in:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/paul-walkers-endearing-1998-teen-people-profile

I don't remember anyone wearing flannel in 1998.  This look was coming in:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/paul-walkers-endearing-1998-teen-people-profile


That look became fashionable in 1996. My family has pictures from then. If you look at catalogs of men's fashion on the website Uomo Classico, you can see that outfit was cool in 1996. Also lots of movies and television portray that preppy look too.

In one of your earliest posts you said you lived in Dayton, Ohio for most of the '90s. Did you move out in 1998? The midwest was about three years behind in fashion trends back then. People in the midwest in general tend to wear what they like most, but there are some stylish people there. I lived in Bellbrook, Ohio from July 2005 until May 2010.

Grunge fashion peaked in late '93/early '94. Going by the midwest, grunge would have peaked in late '96/early '97. Was that your experience? In another post somewhere you also said you and your peers didn't start wearing flannel until November 1994. My dad, who was born in 1966, said he saw people wearing flannel in late 1991/early 1992. Guess where they lived before California? Ohio! This is really fishy...

My parents lived in California from December 1993 until April 1998. My mom, who was born in 1963, said young people started to dress more preppy or hip-hop by 1995. White people were dressing as black people and acting black. Looking at pictures from then, it seems that preppy was comprised of The Gap or Land's End. Is 1998 when you experienced my mom's 1995 experience?
Yeah it was  the 1995-1996 School Year that the fashion change happened I believe. Going into the 1995-1996 school year now that I think about it now 1993 sounding music was "in" still but the "fashion" wasn't. I think the 1994-1995 School Year both "Grunge" and "Hip-Hop" Clothes were popular so that was probably the "cross year" fashion wise between 1993 and 1997 fashion.

Yeah it was  the 1995-1996 School Year that the fashion change happened I believe. Going into the 1995-1996 school year now that I think about it now 1993 sounding music was "in" still but the "fashion" wasn't. I think the 1994-1995 School Year both "Grunge" and "Hip-Hop" Clothes were popular so that was probably the "cross year" fashion wise between 1993 and 1997 fashion.


That sounds about right.  Hip-hop fashion peaked in the 1997-98 school year at my school.  By 2000 everyone was wearing Abercrombie & Fitch.

After listening to this music over a period of time, I realized something – I want a grunge music revival.

While "post-grunge" may have lasted too long, it's not real grunge. Nirvana vs Creed? Bush vs Trapt? The sounds are so drastically different from each other that they're not even the same genre! Real grunge was amazing, so thoughtful and creative. Maybe it could bring back rock music and kill dance?

Compare "Creep" by Radiohead to "Photograph" by Nickelback. They're not the same in any way whatsoever. I want the "Creep" sound to come back.

After listening to this music over a period of time, I realized something – I want a grunge music revival.

While "post-grunge" may have lasted too long, it's not real grunge. Nirvana vs Creed? Bush vs Trapt? The sounds are so drastically different from each other that they're not even the same genre! Real grunge was amazing, so thoughtful and creative. Maybe it could bring back rock music and kill dance?

Compare "Creep" by Radiohead to "Photograph" by Nickelback. They're not the same in any way whatsoever. I want the "Creep" sound to come back.

They really need to stop calling everything post grunge. It's alternative and they're not comparable because they're different. I'd take Trapt and Creed any day because their music sounds far more cleaned up. Rock music isn't dead you know, there is plenty of current material by Godsmack, Chevelle, Thousand Foot Krutch, Five Finger Death Punch and other bands that got their start in earlier decades. Pop music is what needs the fix!

They really need to stop calling everything post grunge. It's alternative and they're not comparable because they're different.


I agree. There are so many different styles of rock music, some of which don't even have a name yet because they're so unique.


I'd take Trapt and Creed any day because their music sounds far more cleaned up.


Like, Trapt and Creed over Nirvana and Radiohead? I like all four, but for different reasons. Trapt and Creed have catchier and more sing-alongy lyrics ("Headstrong" and "Higher"), but I also enjoy the more hardcore and unrestrained sound of Nirvana and Radiohead ("Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Creep").


Rock music isn't dead you know, there is plenty of current material by Godsmack, Chevelle, Thousand Foot Krutch, Five Finger Death Punch and other bands that got their start in earlier decades.


Well, yes, rock music isn't dead. It's just that I want it to be cool in the mainstream. Most of my 2010s rock songs come from the free singles section of iTunes (some of them are quite good actually).


Pop music is what needs the fix!


Yes, it does.  8-P At this point I want a complete overhaul on popular culture.

The mainstream music industry is going through a dark age. A long a$$ one.

Fondly forgotten!

Not by me. As someone said on You Tube last year, it is the Special Olympics of Rock N' Roll.

That was my experience also. I don't remember anyone around me wearing dark colored flannel in 1993. It looked more the garments these two are wearing:

http://vickiehowell.com/uploaded_images/me&amy-93-788956.JPG

Looking back, my friends and I were late to the trend, but everyone at our school looked like this at the time:

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/punkybshouse/5622726876/in/search_QM_q_IS_flannel+1994_AND_mt_IS_all_AND_w_IS_all

As you can see from this 1989 photo, Metalheads were mainly the ones wearing flannel before grunge took off :

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wGWyEldKdFM/TaeWUMKyACI/AAAAAAAAARk/ICuKAP7Hndc/s1600/ss-110406-mall-scenes-searsmullets.ss_full.jpg

I'm willing to bet the people wearing flannel in late '91/'92 resembled lumberjacks like the woman pictured here in this early 90s photo:

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/lobstar/224806632/in/search_QM_q_IS_flannel+1989_AND_mt_IS_all_AND_w_IS_all

This look did not rear it's ugly head until sometime late in the summer of 1992:

http://images1.musicfeeds.com.au/0de330f8f5a505e0e48427feded93e2d-640x360.png

Brands like Tommy Hilfiger, Nautica and Polo Sport were going strong in the mid 90s:

https://fornaught415.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/work-it-snoop-dogg-in-tommy.jpg

I don't remember anyone wearing flannel in 1998.  This look was coming in:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/paul-walkers-endearing-1998-teen-people-profile


My sister, Fall 1992:
http://i67.tinypic.com/16gzdk3.jpg