i was born that year and golden age rap was still continuing. I've seen lists of Golden age rap songs and it goes from 1987 to 1997. Just because the NES wasn't popular anymore, doesn't mean that people stopped playing the games. 1993 was fascinating because it had lots good stuff and for the most, 1993 was nothing like 1999. They were 2 different eras. 90s kids can also remember the early 90s too. I bet people born in 1987/88 can remember 1991 and they were 3/4 at the time. Not only were power Rangers important, so were TMNT, and other super hero shows. 

Here's photos from 1993.

http://www.stonybrook.edu/metcalf/Images/groupphotos/1993.jpg

http://rswesterland.lernnetz.de/Photos_Klassen/1993_1992/1993a1.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpiintern/alumni/images/intern_group/images/interns1993.jpg

http://staff.imsa.edu/irc/archives/academic_years/content/large1993.jpg

http://www.rieder-heinz.ch/klassenfotos/ehemalige/1993_1996_A.jpg


That explains it all, you were born in '93. I'm sorry to inform you about this again, but groups like X-Clan had stopped releasing albums after '92. Mainstream rap at the time was from (c)rappers like Snoop Dogg and Wu-Tang Clan. In the actual early 90s, we only had one single by Snoop and Dre and then the Chronic (more of a '93 thing) was sold in December of '92. My question to you is how do you golden age rap was still being produced if you were only born in 1993? Some people may have still played NES games, but the larger majority was into SNES. It's like this, would you prefer to eat the popcorn chicken or the chicken wing? All of that good stuff you mentioned was derived from the early 90s. Did you like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers? The Japanese had them for most of 1992. Animaniacs? They wouldn't exist if Tiny Toon Adventures was scrapped.  I never said that '93 was anything like 1999 in my statement. I know '99 was the start of a new era that would end in 2002, the first real year of the 2000s. How can 90s kids remember the early 90s if most of them were born during the early 90s? That's impossible. 90s kids had to have watched VH1's I Love the 90s to get an idea of what was popular in those times. VH1 messed up by mixing up contents of the early 90s with the late 80s. For example, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was shown as part of a segment in the I Love 1988 episode. Turtlemania occurred at the start of 1990. No one, but comic fans, knew who they were in 1988. Their popularity died in 1993, only one out of ten children were wearing a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sweater in 1994. The third movie did the series in. I don't consider it as part of the movie series. Have you seen it? It was bloody awful, after it was in Theaters, children switched over to the X-Men. X-Men have been around since the 1960s. The 90s did not really have any original superheroes. Image's Spawn was invented sometime in late '91 to April of '92. That's it.

Folks born in '87 and '88 may have memories of '91 and '92, but you never hear them speak of them. Instead they are more focused on the pop culture of the central 90s (1993-1996).  I'm not concerned about what they have to say, because they were too young to hold a Super Soaker 100 in their hands.
If you were of age in '93, you too may have agreed 1993 stunk like all the years that came after it. The mid 90s (1993-1996) were the darkest out of the three parts of the decade. Let's see:

1990-1993

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YoK9Ob3OvFE/UpKuih6uvtI/AAAAAAAABOE/fk2wcHpfUSA/s1600/l347a2c030000_1_1331.jpeg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hGa__2Hg7bg/UnJ8vjKGo_I/AAAAAAAAPQ8/h87Onp9Zp4E/s1600/vanilla+ice++cazal+958+1990s.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X3UU2JYE2x0/T3IylS1AexI/AAAAAAAAAbI/iYvhOTNQpgg/s1600/scarf-print-will-smith.jpg

1993-1996

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y9xoFK6JkBM/TlVFlZCwLtI/AAAAAAAADHo/eSZqeHyPhkU/s1600/katy.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8PATT2NITAA/THhT6ddVwqI/AAAAAAAAABA/La-U0o358pU/s1600/Death+Row+%2823%29.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IdQt3GbB1_Y/ULhUZDBM6lI/AAAAAAAAG10/S4I25jR1c3s/s1600/Saved+By+the+Bell.jpg

1996-1999

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LxuzQllwCIA/TSPKBjK3MEI/AAAAAAAADJM/kiHDjoVlTEM/s1600/7th.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_UlYMJwpxfc/US9c8-HzhEI/AAAAAAAAl5A/VjivK18-asY/s1600/MV5BMTcyNDQwNzY3Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODkwNzYxMQ@@__V1_SY317_CR5,0,214,317_.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GYyUwH6G1Qw/T8AxLdKAkKI/AAAAAAAAA8I/Txv85p5bT4k/s1600/britwr99.jpg


The mid 90s were darker than both the early and late 90s. The economy did come back in late '92 and lasted well into the mid 90s. I'll give a "90s kid" (not child of the 1990s) that.

In the mainstream, there were still late 80's things  around in 1994, but I feel like it tilted more towards the 90's overall. Especially the politics/movies/music. Even a lot of the hair and clothes.

There were every day people with 80's hairstyles that lasted well into the 90's, though. Pro wrestlers, too.


1994 was very 90s with the dispensation of "My So Called Life" and Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun". It doesn't get anymore 90s than that. :)

As far as clean rap flows from 1993 goes, how about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO076n2VXuY

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYIpa1Ulvw

Dr. Dre and G-funk got big that year, but there was other stuff that was big on the charts.


Huh?

That explains it all, you were born in '93. I'm sorry to inform you about this again, but groups like X-Clan had stopped releasing albums after '92. Mainstream rap at the time was from (c)rappers like Snoop Dogg and Wu-Tang Clan. In the actual early 90s, we only had one single by Snoop and Dre and then the Chronic (more of a '93 thing) was sold in December of '92. My question to you is how do you golden age rap was still being produced if you were only born in 1993? Some people may have still played NES games, but the larger majority was into SNES. It's like this, would you prefer to eat the popcorn chicken or the chicken wing? All of that good stuff you mentioned was derived from the early 90s. Did you like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers? The Japanese had them for most of 1992. Animaniacs? They wouldn't exist if Tiny Toon Adventures was scrapped.  I never said that '93 was anything like 1999 in my statement. I know '99 was the start of a new era that would end in 2002, the first real year of the 2000s. How can 90s kids remember the early 90s if most of them were born during the early 90s? That's impossible. 90s kids had to have watched VH1's I Love the 90s to get an idea of what was popular in those times. VH1 messed up by mixing up contents of the early 90s with the late 80s. For example, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was shown as part of a segment in the I Love 1988 episode. Turtlemania occurred at the start of 1990. No one, but comic fans, knew who they were in 1988. Their popularity died in 1993, only one out of ten children were wearing a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sweater in 1994. The third movie did the series in. I don't consider it as part of the movie series. Have you seen it? It was bloody awful, after it was in Theaters, children switched over to the X-Men. X-Men have been around since the 1960s. The 90s did not really have any original superheroes. Image's Spawn was invented sometime in late '91 to April of '92. That's it.

Folks born in '87 and '88 may have memories of '91 and '92, but you never hear them speak of them. Instead they are more focused on the pop culture of the central 90s (1993-1996).  I'm not concerned about what they have to say, because they were too young to hold a Super Soaker 100 in their hands.
If you were of age in '93, you too may have agreed 1993 stunk like all the years that came after it. The mid 90s (1993-1996) were the darkest out of the three parts of the decade. Let's see:

1990-1993

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YoK9Ob3OvFE/UpKuih6uvtI/AAAAAAAABOE/fk2wcHpfUSA/s1600/l347a2c030000_1_1331.jpeg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hGa__2Hg7bg/UnJ8vjKGo_I/AAAAAAAAPQ8/h87Onp9Zp4E/s1600/vanilla+ice++cazal+958+1990s.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X3UU2JYE2x0/T3IylS1AexI/AAAAAAAAAbI/iYvhOTNQpgg/s1600/scarf-print-will-smith.jpg

1993-1996

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y9xoFK6JkBM/TlVFlZCwLtI/AAAAAAAADHo/eSZqeHyPhkU/s1600/katy.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8PATT2NITAA/THhT6ddVwqI/AAAAAAAAABA/La-U0o358pU/s1600/Death+Row+%2823%29.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IdQt3GbB1_Y/ULhUZDBM6lI/AAAAAAAAG10/S4I25jR1c3s/s1600/Saved+By+the+Bell.jpg

1996-1999

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LxuzQllwCIA/TSPKBjK3MEI/AAAAAAAADJM/kiHDjoVlTEM/s1600/7th.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_UlYMJwpxfc/US9c8-HzhEI/AAAAAAAAl5A/VjivK18-asY/s1600/MV5BMTcyNDQwNzY3Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODkwNzYxMQ@@__V1_SY317_CR5,0,214,317_.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GYyUwH6G1Qw/T8AxLdKAkKI/AAAAAAAAA8I/Txv85p5bT4k/s1600/britwr99.jpg


The mid 90s were darker than both the early and late 90s. The economy did come back in late '92 and lasted well into the mid 90s. I'll give a "90s kid" (not child of the 1990s) that.
I know because my parents listening to rap on CDs and cassettes and I was listening to it too. I still hope you understand that not all rap was gangsta rap in the mid 90s. Yes, I did as well as tiny toon adventures and animaniacs. the mid 90s werent all that dark like you think. Im sure there was good stuff in that era that you may have forgetten. How could their popularity died if the TMNT cartoon was still on air? I'm sure that people born in the late 80s were playing with super soakers. Last, did you see all the photos i posted from 1993? everyone in those images were not wearing depressing colors and the fashion was still the same (except certain things)

I know because my parents listening to rap on CDs and cassettes and I was listening to it too. I still hope you understand that not all rap was gangsta rap in the mid 90s. Yes, I did as well as tiny toon adventures and animaniacs. the mid 90s werent all that dark like you think. Im sure there was good stuff in that era that you may have forgetten. How could their popularity died if the TMNT cartoon was still on air? I'm sure that people born in the late 80s were playing with super soakers. Last, did you see all the photos i posted from 1993? everyone in those images were not wearing depressing colors and the fashion was still the same (except certain things)



Your parents may have been listening to older records in the mid to late 90s. That east coast and west coast war was not a part of the golden age of rap. Death Row records are what killed Yo! MTV Raps and Pump It Up on the FOX Network. The Tiny Toons were first, the Animaniacs were nothing but a second attempt. Unfortunately, more people caught the Animaniacs in the afternoon than the Tiny Toons years before then. So, the Animaniacs are more well known amongst most young Americans, sadly. Buster and Babs had more character than Wacko, Yako and Dot ever did. What the heck were the Animaniacs? Were they bobcats? Inklings? What? At least children knew Buster and Babs were bunnies. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles may have still been on air, but children and adults alike were watching Batman:The Animated Serie and FOX's X-Men The Animated Series over it. The mid 90s were very dark, you were a child then so you cannot talk about them. Adolescents born in the late 80s may have played with Super Soakers in the late 90s, but not the most iconic ones (Super Soaker 50 and 100). You posted pictures of college students and not teenagers from '93. Of course college students were behind the times. The fashion of the mid 90s was nothing like that of the early 90s. There were a small traces of late 80s clothing in '93 ONLY. The Cosby Sweater were far and few in between back then.

You and I will probably never see eye to eye. I was alive in '93 to see the death of the late 80s and early 90s pop culture. Your evidence is drawn from what you found on-line. Take heed that some of that information is incorrect. I don't know where you got the idea that the golden age of rap ended in '97. Whoever wrote that most have been a child of the 90s. Those children of the 90s will claim that rap was over in 2001, also. Members of my generation will tell you rap died in 1993. They were there to actually witness rap go from Public Enemy's "Fight the Power" to Dr. Dre's "Nuthin' But a G Thang". To us, 1993 will always be known as the year of nothing but gangsta and grunge music. Oh yeah, most people classify the Tag Team's "Whoops! There it is" as dance music and not rap. "Whoop! There It Is" isn't up there with "U Can't Touch This", "Rump Shaker" or "Baby Got Back".

Huh?


Huh right back at you.

Both those songs were rap hits in 1993. Neither song could even remotely be described as gangsta rap/g-funk. Therefore your "theory" that only gangsta rap was popular at that point is sort of easily disproven.

1993 is also commonly described as "golden age" of rap, which is a term used simply to refer to rap's peak period of creative expansion. It's usually described as lasting from the late 80s through the mid 90s, just like New Jack Swing (which was also still popular in 1993).

Huh right back at you.

Both those songs were rap hits in 1993. Neither song could even remotely be described as gangsta rap/g-funk. Therefore your "theory" that only gangsta rap was popular at that point is sort of easily disproven.

1993 is also commonly described as "golden age" of rap, which is a term used simply to refer to rap's peak period of creative expansion. It's usually described as lasting from the late 80s through the mid 90s, just like New Jack Swing (which was also still popular in 1993).


I couldn't see the videos posted for some reason. That is reason I wrote, "Huh"? What songs were they?

1993 is "commonly described as golden age rap" by who? Oh right, "90s kids", why did I ask? No, golden age rap did not last from '88 until sometime in the mid 90s. The golden age of rap ended in 1993 with the popularity of G-Funk and birth of groups like the Wu-Tang Clan, "90s kid". How are you going to tell me that New Jack Swing was still popular in '93? I was there and with the end of "A Different World" on NBC went New Jack Swing. The New Jack Swing that charted in '93 was recorded in 1992. The only R&B being produced in 1993 were slow jams. Why am I arguing with a "90s kid"? Sigh.

I couldn't see the videos posted for some reason. That is reason I wrote, "Huh"? What songs were they?

1993 is "commonly described as golden age rap" by who? Oh right, "90s kids", why did I ask? No, golden age rap did not last from '88 until sometime in the mid 90s. The golden age of rap ended in 1993 with the popularity of G-Funk and birth of groups like the Wu-Tang Clan, "90s kid". How are you going to tell me that New Jack Swing was still popular in '93? I was there and with the end of "A Different World" on NBC went New Jack Swing. The New Jack Swing that charted in '93 was recorded in 1992. The only R&B being produced in 1993 were slow jams. Why am I arguing with a "90s kid"? Sigh.


How am I going to tell you that New Jack was popular in '93? This song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRbJoLXna0

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV05oji5doc

Neither of these songs were released in 1992. They both sound like new jack to me, and both of them were big hits.

Even Blackstreet's first album sounds pretty new jack to me, and that was released in June 1994.

Sorry, but your posts are pretty silly and are pretty much decadeology. Saying "x year" was when everything magically changed overnight is simply dumb and is easy to disprove by posting actual examples which several others have now done. If I were an admin I'd probably lock this thread.

How am I going to tell you that New Jack was popular in '93? This song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRbJoLXna0

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV05oji5doc

Neither of these songs were released in 1992. They both sound like new jack to me, and both of them were big hits.

Even Blackstreet's first album sounds pretty new jack to me, and that was released in June 1994.

Sorry, but your posts are pretty silly and are pretty much decadeology. Saying "x year" was when everything magically changed overnight is simply dumb and is easy to disprove by posting actual examples which several others have now done. If I were an admin I'd probably lock this thread.


Technically, you are correct about Teddy Riley's Blackstreet being a New Jack Swing group. They did not have the early 90s New Jack Swing sound. They were a mid 90s group.

When it comers right down to it, '77-'87 borns saw the early 90s (1990-1993). '87-'93 babies have their mid 90s (1993-1996) and late 90s (1996-1999). You believe my posts are silly, but that is only your opinion. Things did change the minute Dr. Dre's the Chronic was released in December of 1992. You can't rebuke that truth. By the way, I still can't make out what videos you posted.

Technically, you are correct about Teddy Riley's Blackstreet being a New Jack Swing group. They did not have the early 90s New Jack Swing sound. They were a mid 90s group.

When it comers right down to it, '77-'87 borns saw the early 90s (1990-1993). '87-'93 babies have their mid 90s (1993-1996) and late 90s (1996-1999). You believe my posts are silly, but that is only your opinion. Things did change the minute Dr. Dre's the Chronic was released in December of 1992. You can't rebuke that truth. By the way, I still can't make out what videos you posted.


How can you not make them out when they're showing up just fine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRbJoLXna0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV05oji5doc

I would also disagree that Blackstreet didn't have a New Jack sound on some tracks. Does this not sound New Jack? 1993 right here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ERK-RHqhU

How can you not make them out when they're showing up just fine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRbJoLXna0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV05oji5doc




This is going to go on forever.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9I74focpaSM/VAigIeYmp2I/AAAAAAAAC_c/1DPC-LXHZhA/s1600/neworder.gif

I'll admit that early '93 was early 90s (the worst of the early 90s) but there is no way the fall to winter half of '93 is.

This is going to go on forever.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9I74focpaSM/VAigIeYmp2I/AAAAAAAAC_c/1DPC-LXHZhA/s1600/neworder.gif

I'll admit that early '93 was early 90s but there is no way the fall to winter half of '93 is.


No debating that, actually. January 1, 1990 to April 30, 1993 was the first mathematical third of the '90s. Middle third of the '90s would be May 1, 1993 to August 31, 1996 and last third would be September 1, 1996 to December 31, 1999. If you want to group the pop culture along those lines then you're free to do it I guess.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ImTaTKVyVdY/TZ33PGxu8AI/AAAAAAAAABw/OFme7005Fvs/s1600/Newclass.jpg

I liked the original Saved By The Bell best.

Wasn't "The Right Kind of Love" on the 1992 90210 Soundtrack?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_j1nA6ZV_0EU/S-0xOtV1qnI/AAAAAAAABxY/xIEdzjLBMcU/s1600/jeremy_jordan_mlige_trkol.jpg

"If I Had No Loot" was okay. Their second album was the best.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7_vA-rqSUxU/TxeY5CdVqNI/AAAAAAAAQrY/mqM62fKNYMo/s1600/Tony%2521Toni%2521Ton%25C3%25A9%2521TheRevival1990A.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ImTaTKVyVdY/TZ33PGxu8AI/AAAAAAAAABw/OFme7005Fvs/s1600/Newclass.jpg

I liked the original Saved By The Bell best.


Me too. The New Class isn't even shown in reruns today.

As far as clean rap flows from 1993 goes, how about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO076n2VXuY

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYIpa1Ulvw

Dr. Dre and G-funk got big that year, but there was other stuff that was big on the charts.


That's party rap.

I would also disagree that Blackstreet didn't have a New Jack sound on some tracks. Does this not sound New Jack? 1993 right here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ERK-RHqhU


I never said that Blackstreet was not a New Jack Swing group. Their music does not sound like that of '90 to mid '93. You can tell a New Jack Swing song of 1991 from that of 1994. New Jack of '94 has a heavier and raw sound to it. Portrait's debut album from 1992 was the first to combine the early 90s New Jack sound with the more modern one.

Your parents may have been listening to older records in the mid to late 90s. That east coast and west coast war was not a part of the golden age of rap. Death Row records are what killed Yo! MTV Raps and Pump It Up on the FOX Network. The Tiny Toons were first, the Animaniacs were nothing but a second attempt. Unfortunately, more people caught the Animaniacs in the afternoon than the Tiny Toons years before then. So, the Animaniacs are more well known amongst most young Americans, sadly. Buster and Babs had more character than Wacko, Yako and Dot ever did. What the heck were the Animaniacs? Were they bobcats? Inklings? What? At least children knew Buster and Babs were bunnies. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles may have still been on air, but children and adults alike were watching Batman:The Animated Serie and FOX's X-Men The Animated Series over it. The mid 90s were very dark, you were a child then so you cannot talk about them. Adolescents born in the late 80s may have played with Super Soakers in the late 90s, but not the most iconic ones (Super Soaker 50 and 100). You posted pictures of college students and not teenagers from '93. Of course college students were behind the times. The fashion of the mid 90s was nothing like that of the early 90s. There were a small traces of late 80s clothing in '93 ONLY. The Cosby Sweater were far and few in between back then.

You and I will probably never see eye to eye. I was alive in '93 to see the death of the late 80s and early 90s pop culture. Your evidence is drawn from what you found on-line. Take heed that some of that information is incorrect. I don't know where you got the idea that the golden age of rap ended in '97. Whoever wrote that most have been a child of the 90s. Those children of the 90s will claim that rap was over in 2001, also. Members of my generation will tell you rap died in 1993. They were there to actually witness rap go from Public Enemy's "Fight the Power" to Dr. Dre's "Nuthin' But a G Thang". To us, 1993 will always be known as the year of nothing but gangsta and grunge music. Oh yeah, most people classify the Tag Team's "Whoops! There it is" as dance music and not rap. "Whoop! There It Is" isn't up there with "U Can't Touch This", "Rump Shaker" or "Baby Got Back".
Both of my parents were in their 20s and 30s in the 90s, so they definitely know the golden age of hip-hop. Both shows are good. I bet people remember both of them and how great they were. I doubt that they were watching those shows over TMNT. did the third TMNT movie really kill their popularity? Just because a movie sequel stunk doesnt mean it will destroy a cartoon's popularity. I mean TMNT was on until 1996 while the other two were on until about 1997/98. Yes, I was only a baby, but that doesnt mean I can't talk about it. How do you know that those born in the late 80s were playing with super soakers in the late 90s? They could have used them in the mid 90s as well as they were 5 to 9 years old at that time. I can see 6 to 9 year old kids spraying and squirting each other with super soakers, so you cant say that they were only using them in the late 90s. They were at the right age in the mid 90s to play with them. You do realize high schoolers and colleagues wear the most popular clothing right? They are not that different from each other as they are usually between the ages of 14 and 22. Arent all 4 of those songs dance rap songs? How is Whoop! There it Is not up with the other three? Here's actually a page talking about the golden age of hip-hop which said it was from 1987-1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

Last, were you born in the 70s and what area did you live in during the 90s?

I never said that Blackstreet was not a New Jack Swing group. Their music does not sound like that of '90 to mid '93. You can tell a New Jack Swing song of 1991 from that of 1994. New Jack of '94 has a heavier and raw sound to it. Portrait's debut album from 1992 was the first to combine the early 90s New Jack sound with the more modern one.


I thought you said that New Jack wasn't popular in 1993, now you're saying it was still hanging around in 1994!?  :o

Sorry, but your posts are pretty silly and are pretty much decadeology.


Totally agree!

Totally agree!


>:(

I thought you said that New Jack wasn't popular in 1993, now you're saying it was still hanging around in 1994!?  :o


You aren't paying attention to my posts!!! I said the Blackstreet songs had a different sound to them from that of the early 90s. Just because an album was released doesn't mean that New Jack Swing was still popular in 1994. They were a Teddy Riley produced band and as you may not know, Teddy was the Father of the genre.

Both of my parents were in their 20s and 30s in the 90s, so they definitely know the golden age of hip-hop. Both shows are good. I bet people remember both of them and how great they were. I doubt that they were watching those shows over TMNT. did the third TMNT movie really kill their popularity? Just because a movie sequel stunk doesnt mean it will destroy a cartoon's popularity. I mean TMNT was on until 1996 while the other two were on until about 1997/98. Yes, I was only a baby, but that doesnt mean I can't talk about it. How do you know that those born in the late 80s were playing with super soakers in the late 90s? They could have used them in the mid 90s as well as they were 5 to 9 years old at that time. I can see 6 to 9 year old kids spraying and squirting each other with super soakers, so you cant say that they were only using them in the late 90s. They were at the right age in the mid 90s to play with them. You do realize high schoolers and colleagues wear the most popular clothing right? They are not that different from each other as they are usually between the ages of 14 and 22. Arent all 4 of those songs dance rap songs? How is Whoop! There it Is not up with the other three? Here's actually a page talking about the golden age of hip-hop which said it was from 1987-1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

Last, were you born in the 70s and what area did you live in during the 90s?


You doubt those shows were popular from late '92 to 1994 because you were an infant. Therefore, you cannot talk about anything that occurred from '93 to '96. I dare you to look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles episodes of 1994. They spoof almost everything from Batman the Animated Series, that is why they are referred to as the "Red Sky" episodes by the fans. According to you, when were those two shows ever popular since you are such an expert on all things 90s despite being born in '93? Ask any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan which film they did not like the most and they'll tell you the third film. I know how long the Turtles were on for but the craze ended in 1993! AGAIN, I SAID THE LATE 80S BABIES NEVER PLAYED WITH THE SUPER SOAKER 50 OR 100 WHEN THEY WERE NEW. DO YOU PAY ATTENTION?! High Schoolers wear the fashions of the times, not Collegians. Do you know what a colleague is?  "Whoops! Others It Is!" wasn't a classic like the other three I listed. It was an annoying song with an obnoxious singer who got on people's nerves. It was no different from "Who Let the Dogs Out?".That Golden Age rap article was more than likely written by a "90s kid". People my age would not waste their time writing Wikipedia articles. Of course a "90s kid" wants everyone to see his side to things. Like I said before, rap died in 1993 with posers like Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Wu Tang Clan. 1993-1996 were the darkest years out of the whole 90s. That is only my view on things.

I was born in '77 and resided in Dayton, Ohio for most of the 1990s. Why does that matter here? I have nothing to prove.

You doubt those shows were popular from late '92 to 1994 because you were an infant. Therefore, you cannot talk about anything that occurred from '93 to '96. I dare you to look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles episodes of 1994. They spoof almost everything from Batman the Animated Series, that is why they are referred to as the "Red Sky" episodes by the fans. According to you, when were those two shows ever popular since you are such an expert on all things 90s despite being born in '93? Ask any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan which film they did not like the most and they'll tell you the third film. I know how long the Turtles were on for but the craze ended in 1993! AGAIN, I SAID THE LATE 80S BABIES NEVER PLAYED WITH THE SUPER SOAKER 50 OR 100 WHEN THEY WERE NEW. DO YOU PAY ATTENTION?! High Schoolers wear the fashions of the times, not Collegians. Do you know what a colleague is?  "Whoops! Others It Is!" wasn't a classic like the other three I listed. It was an annoying song with an obnoxious singer who got on people's nerves. It was no different from "Who Let the Dogs Out?".That Golden Age rap article was more than likely written by a "90s kid". People my age would not waste their time writing Wikipedia articles. Of course a "90s kid" wants everyone to see his side to things. Like I said before, rap died in 1993 with posers like Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Wu Tang Clan. 1993-1996 were the darkest years out of the whole 90s. That is only my view on things.

I was born in '77 and resided in Dayton, Ohio for most of the 1990s. Why does that matter here? I have nothing to prove.
when I said i doubt those shows were popular over TMNT i meant that people didn't stop watching TMNT when the 3rd movie turned out to be awful. In fact,  all 3 cartoons were watched by everyone and it didn't matter how old the cartoons were.  Besides, both x-men and batman premiered way before the third TMNT movie. Therefore, they all were already popular.  Cartoons spoof things all the time, so this isnt new. Yeah, you're right,  they didn't play with super soakers when they were new, but you also said that they began using them in the late 90s and that was inaccurate because like i said, they could have used them in the mid 90s as they were the perfect age to use super soakers since they were 5 to 9 years old during that era.  Yes, i know what a colleague is. It's an associate (classmate) or coworker. College students wear all the popular fashion items like high schoolers too.  Like I said, they're not that different. If whoomp wasn't a classic, why has it been referenced in TV programs and other things? I don't think a 90s kid would write wikipedia articles as that would be an opinion, not fact.  Btw, rap didn't die in 1993, it changed and once again, not all mid 90s rap was gangsta rap. What about jay-z, nas, a tribe called quest, g Warren,  lords of the underground, common, arrested development,  big l, black sheep, and eric & rakim. They weren't gangsta rappers/groups.  Also on one thing, you said that golden age rap died when the west-east coast rap war began. it didn't begin until Tupac was shot in late 1994 and the only reason why it happened in the first place was because Tupac believed that biggie and puff daddy knew that he was going to be ambushed by a gang and didn't warn him about it which made Tupac think that they caused the ambush when bad boy records had nothing to do with the ambush, so it was actually a huge misunderstanding. That's what caused the rap war and it shouldn't have happened at all.

Since you lived in Ohio, was that state ahead of pop culture times and because you were in high school during the early 90s, did you really see everyone in your school change fashion immediately when 1993 came?

You doubt those shows were popular from late '92 to 1994 because you were an infant. Therefore, you cannot talk about anything that occurred from '93 to '96. I dare you to look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles episodes of 1994. They spoof almost everything from Batman the Animated Series, that is why they are referred to as the "Red Sky" episodes by the fans. According to you, when were those two shows ever popular since you are such an expert on all things 90s despite being born in '93? Ask any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan which film they did not like the most and they'll tell you the third film. I know how long the Turtles were on for but the craze ended in 1993! AGAIN, I SAID THE LATE 80S BABIES NEVER PLAYED WITH THE SUPER SOAKER 50 OR 100 WHEN THEY WERE NEW. DO YOU PAY ATTENTION?! High Schoolers wear the fashions of the times, not Collegians. Do you know what a colleague is?  "Whoops! Others It Is!" wasn't a classic like the other three I listed. It was an annoying song with an obnoxious singer who got on people's nerves. It was no different from "Who Let the Dogs Out?".That Golden Age rap article was more than likely written by a "90s kid". People my age would not waste their time writing Wikipedia articles. Of course a "90s kid" wants everyone to see his side to things. Like I said before, rap died in 1993 with posers like Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Wu Tang Clan. 1993-1996 were the darkest years out of the whole 90s. That is only my view on things.

I was born in '77 and resided in Dayton, Ohio for most of the 1990s. Why does that matter here? I have nothing to prove.


I remember the super soakers and TMNT. I had a TV in my room and watched it myself since the age of 4. Pop culture moves much slower to children and adults than to teenagers. How is that difficult to grasp?

when I said i doubt those shows were popular over TMNT i meant that people didn't stop watching TMNT when the 3rd movie turned out to be awful. In fact,  all 3 cartoons were watched by everyone and it didn't matter how old the cartoons were.  Besides, both x-men and batman premiered way before the third TMNT movie. Therefore, they all were already popular.  Cartoons spoof things all the time, so this isnt new. Yeah, you're right,  they didn't play with super soakers when they were new, but you also said that they began using them in the late 90s and that was inaccurate because like i said, they could have used them in the mid 90s as they were the perfect age to use super soakers since they were 5 to 9 years old during that era.  Yes, i know what a colleague is. It's an associate (classmate) or coworker. College students wear all the popular fashion items like high schoolers too.  Like I said, they're not that different. If whoomp wasn't a classic, why has it been referenced in TV programs and other things? I don't think a 90s kid would write wikipedia articles as that would be an opinion, not fact.  Btw, rap didn't die in 1993, it changed and once again, not all mid 90s rap was gangsta rap. What about jay-z, nas, a tribe called quest, g Warren,  lords of the underground, common, arrested development,  big l, black sheep, and eric & rakim. They weren't gangsta rappers/groups.  Also on one thing, you said that golden age rap died when the west-east coast rap war began. it didn't begin until Tupac was shot in late 1994 and the only reason why it happened in the first place was because Tupac believed that biggie and puff daddy knew that he was going to be ambushed by a gang and didn't warn him about it which made Tupac think that they caused the ambush when bad boy records had nothing to do with the ambush, so it was actually a huge misunderstanding. That's what caused the rap war and it shouldn't have happened at all.

Since you lived in Ohio, was that state ahead of pop culture times and because you were in high school during the early 90s, did you really see everyone in your school change fashion immediately when 1993 came?


Again, you're imagining all three shows were popular since you were a baby at the time. You were too young to see the mid 90s for what they were. You're writing a fairy tale when I witnessed the real story.
I know that both Batman the Animated Series and X-Men the Animated Series debuted in the fall of 1992. It wasn't way before the third film came out. I wasn't just talking about any Super Soaker, I spoke of the classic first ones (50 and 100). They go for a lot on the black market. College students are far more mature than High Schoolers. They do not wear the same clothes. Collegians dress more like their parents do in any era. "Whoops! There It Is" was used a reference in many shows and movies at the time because it was popular at the time. It still isn't up there with the three I mentioned. I claimed that the Golden Age of rap was dead in 1993, not the genre. Snoop Doggy Dog and the Wu Tang Clan weren't singing about anything important. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G weren't political rappers like Public Enemy, Arrested Development or Boogie Down Productions. Arrested Development and Black Sheep's most well known albums were released in 1991 and '92 respectfully.

To be honest with you, the grunge fashion was starting to seep in around late '92. At that time, people were wearing thrift store clothes and not flannel. Leather jackets and dirty looking purple shirts were primarily worn. Around the spring of 1993, I noticed children even wearing flannel and a white shirt underneath. In the early 90s, most Americans were trying to break away from the looks of the 1980s. I remember my Father saying in 1990, "It's still the 80s". To be fair, that was uttered before the recession began. 1990 was most like 1989 with '92 being the least. 1993 was like the sum of the early 90s. That's why I probably do not see it as another year of the early 90s. In a way, 1990 was the total of all three years that happened before it. That effect started to wear off in mid 1991. All of the sudden, shows like "Monsters", "Out of this World" and "My Secret identity" were cancelled. The new shows were "Ren and Stimpy", "Rugrats", and "Home Improvement". After seeing all of that Ren and Stimpy merchandise in 1993, I came to the conclusion that we definitely weren't in the early 90s anymore. The "'89 vibe" was just wasn't there in 1993. It felt like a new time because of the new things introduced in the years 1990,1991 and 1992 were at the forefront in 1993 an it was unavoidable. For example, from '89 to '93, flannel was used for its purpose and not an anti-fashion statement. Then, in 1993, all of that changed. The flannel and Nirvana shirt trend was more of a '94 event. 1994 made '93 look like an innocent time by comparison. The World Trade Center bombing and NAFTA signing happened in 1993. Worst of all, when a person looks back on the 90s, most will realize the best time to have been a child was from 1990 to the start of 1993. Everything fell apart after 1992. I'm not just saying this because I love those years. 1992 really was the last great year for pop culture. Americans saw Quentin Tarantino's first flick, Sir Mix-a-Lot sing about backs Martin Lawrence say wussup, the Cold War ending and Wayne's World (created in 1988, but it's the best SNL flick) in Theaters. The 90s were never great after that to anyone over the age of five. In terms of decades, the title goes to the 1980s although the early 90s had their moments.

I remember the super soakers and TMNT. I had a TV in my room and watched it myself since the age of 4. Pop culture moves much slower to children and adults than to teenagers. How is that difficult to grasp?


Okay, you remember what a Super Soaker generally looks like. Have you ever played with the first ones? You know, the 50 and 100? Gosh, as I type this, I'm thinking, "Man, I love the early 90s". Super Soakers, Zubaz pants, Hypercolor shirts and colorful socks…what a time....

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls400eJKpe1r317bvo1_250.gif

Is this really something to get excited about? I-played-with-that-before-you-did-so-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaaaaaaahhh.
Come on, let's play nice. There isn't a test later for who REALLY played with the supersoaker first.

Again, you're imagining all three shows were popular since you were a baby at the time. You were too young to see the mid 90s for what they were. You're writing a fairy tale when I witnessed the real story.
I know that both Batman the Animated Series and X-Men the Animated Series debuted in the fall of 1992. It wasn't way before the third film came out. I wasn't just talking about any Super Soaker, I spoke of the classic first ones (50 and 100). They go for a lot on the black market. College students are far more mature than High Schoolers. They do not wear the same clothes. Collegians dress more like their parents do in any era. "Whoops! There It Is" was used a reference in many shows and movies at the time because it was popular at the time. It still isn't up there with the three I mentioned. I claimed that the Golden Age of rap was dead in 1993, not the genre. Snoop Doggy Dog and the Wu Tang Clan weren't singing about anything important. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G weren't political rappers like Public Enemy, Arrested Development or Boogie Down Productions. Arrested Development and Black Sheep's most well known albums were released in 1991 and '92 respectfully.

To be honest with you, the grunge fashion was starting to seep in around late '92. At that time, people were wearing thrift store clothes and not flannel. Leather jackets and dirty looking purple shirts were primarily worn. Around the spring of 1993, I noticed children even wearing flannel and a white shirt underneath. In the early 90s, most Americans were trying to break away from the looks of the 1980s. I remember my Father saying in 1990, "It's still the 80s". To be fair, that was uttered before the recession began. 1990 was most like 1989 with '92 being the least. 1993 was like the sum of the early 90s. That's why I probably do not see it as another year of the early 90s. In a way, 1990 was the total of all three years that happened before it. That effect started to wear off in mid 1991. All of the sudden, shows like "Monsters", "Out of this World" and "My Secret identity" were cancelled. The new shows were "Ren and Stimpy", "Rugrats", and "Home Improvement". After seeing all of that Ren and Stimpy merchandise in 1993, I came to the conclusion that we definitely weren't in the early 90s anymore. The "'89 vibe" was just wasn't there in 1993. It felt like a new time because of the new things introduced in the years 1990,1991 and 1992 were at the forefront in 1993 an it was unavoidable. For example, from '89 to '93, flannel was used for its purpose and not an anti-fashion statement. Then, in 1993, all of that changed. The flannel and Nirvana shirt trend was more of a '94 event. 1994 made '93 look like an innocent time by comparison. The World Trade Center bombing and NAFTA signing happened in 1993. Worst of all, when a person looks back on the 90s, most will realize the best time to have been a child was from 1990 to the start of 1993. Everything fell apart after 1992. I'm not just saying this because I love those years. 1992 really was the last great year for pop culture. Americans saw Quentin Tarantino's first flick, Sir Mix-a-Lot sing about backs Martin Lawrence say wussup, the Cold War ending and Wayne's World (created in 1988, but it's the best SNL flick) in Theaters. The 90s were never great after that to anyone over the age of five. In terms of decades, the title goes to the 1980s although the early 90s had their moments.
You're right I was young, but that doesn't mean I can't post my view. Yeah, both shows premiered; however soon after, they were popular along the TMNT cartoon. I know you were just talking about the classics ones, but I can see late 80s babies using the super soakers 50 and 100 in the mid 90s even though they weren't new then. Yes, college students are more mature. however, they are still part of the target audience of pop culture like high schoolers and middle schoolers; therefore, I see them wearing popular items and talking about the latest things. That song has also been reference used after it was popular too. The golden age of rap didnt die in 1993, there were still good tracks that didnt have a gangsta vibe. What do you mean Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G werent political rappers like Public Enemy? whats the difference? Yes, Arrested Development and Black Sheep's best albums were released in those 2 years, but they still made music after that.


Did you observe all of this in high school and around the city?

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls400eJKpe1r317bvo1_250.gif

Is this really something to get excited about? I-played-with-that-before-you-did-so-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaaaaaaahhh.
Come on, let's play nice. There isn't a test later for who REALLY played with the supersoaker first.
You're right. this is a friendly site talking about pop culture and you're also right that who was the first to play with super soakers isn't important.

You're right I was young, but that doesn't mean I can't post my view. Yeah, both shows premiered; however soon after, they were popular along the TMNT cartoon. I know you were just talking about the classics ones, but I can see late 80s babies using the super soakers 50 and 100 in the mid 90s even though they weren't new then. Yes, college students are more mature. however, they are still part of the target audience of pop culture like high schoolers and middle schoolers; therefore, I see them wearing popular items and talking about the latest things. That song has also been reference used after it was popular too. The golden age of rap didnt die in 1993, there were still good tracks that didnt have a gangsta vibe. What do you mean Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G werent political rappers like Public Enemy? whats the difference? Yes, Arrested Development and Black Sheep's best albums were released in those 2 years, but they still made music after that.


Did you observe all of this in high school and around the city?


This has gone on for way too long and it's off topic.

You were young, therefore you cannot post your views on the topic. How do you know both shows were popular alongside the original Ninja Turtles cartoon when you were only a baby at the time? You can see late 80s babies using Super Soaker 50 and 100, it doesn't mean they used them. Collegians may still talk about popular culture but they do not wear what's in. The golden age of rap DID die in 1993. How are you going to tell me it didn't die when you were only an infant in '93?! You thought there were still some good tracks! You being the subject and not rap fans. That's your opinion. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G did not rap about the way of the world like Public Enemy or Arrested Development did. I'm aware that Black Sheep and Arrested Development made music after that but it was never as good as what was on their debuts.

How can you not know what the trends and fads are of a time? People have to buy clothes. Flannel is all you saw in department stores at one time in the mid 1990s. I stand by my fact that 1993-1996 were the darkest years of the 90s.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls400eJKpe1r317bvo1_250.gif

Is this really something to get excited about? I-played-with-that-before-you-did-so-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaaaaaaahhh.
Come on, let's play nice. There isn't a test later for who REALLY played with the supersoaker first.


That was an A B conversation.

No one can truly answer the question listed as the topic of the thread. Those born in the 70s will say the early 90s weren't dark. Children of the 90s will post that no part of the 90s was as dim as a post 9/11 year. An 80s fan will state that every year of the 90s was filled with angst because of "that darn Grunge music that was so awful". Others will try to get someone who disagrees with them to see things their way. To each it's own.

This has gone on for way too long and it's off topic.

You were young, therefore you cannot post your views on the topic. How do you know both shows were popular alongside the original Ninja Turtles cartoon when you were only a baby at the time? You can see late 80s babies using Super Soaker 50 and 100, it doesn't mean they used them. Collegians may still talk about popular culture but they do not wear what's in. The golden age of rap DID die in 1993. How are you going to tell me it didn't die when you were only an infant in '93?! You thought there were still some good tracks! You being the subject and not rap fans. That's your opinion. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G did not rap about the way of the world like Public Enemy or Arrested Development did. I'm aware that Black Sheep and Arrested Development made music after that but it was never as good as what was on their debuts.

How can you not know what the trends and fads are of a time? People have to buy clothes. Flannel is all you saw in department stores at one time in the mid 1990s. I stand by my fact that 1993-1996 were the darkest years of the 90s.
Yes, I was. however, I can still post on the topic. I know because they were popular until the Batman series ended in 1995 while TMNT ended in 1996 and X-Men ended in 1997; therefore, they were all popular during the mid 90s. Late 80s babies did use them, but it wasnt until the mid 90s because they were considered too young to play with huge water guns. I mean with a super soaker you need both hands and as a 2/3 year old, it was too big for them. It didnt die, songs of 1993 to 1996 are also considered classics, so that means the golden age continued until the late 90s. also, I am a rap fan. I've been listening to rap since the 90s and I have listen to some before that period. They probably didnt because they wanted to have their own sound and all of them along with Public Enemy and Arrested Development have classic songs that can be replayed over and over again.

I do know. In the mid 90s, there wasnt just flannel. there was also overalls, baggy jeans, fila shoes, Jncos, scrunchies, butterfly clips, the cesar cuts, eraser-head afros, braids, pixie cuts, bowl cuts, jordans, dark make-up, tucked in clothing, bald-heads, plaid and denim clothing. Fads were power rangers, SNES, Sega Genesis, Disney, dial-up, gameboy, rap, grunge, PS1, Sega Saturn, the golden age of nicktoons, VHS tapes, All That, Boy Meets World, Sister sister, Snick, and being slimed on Nickelodeon.

You doubt those shows were popular from late '92 to 1994 because you were an infant. Therefore, you cannot talk about anything that occurred from '93 to '96. I dare you to look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles episodes of 1994. They spoof almost everything from Batman the Animated Series, that is why they are referred to as the "Red Sky" episodes by the fans. According to you, when were those two shows ever popular since you are such an expert on all things 90s despite being born in '93? Ask any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan which film they did not like the most and they'll tell you the third film. I know how long the Turtles were on for but the craze ended in 1993! AGAIN, I SAID THE LATE 80S BABIES NEVER PLAYED WITH THE SUPER SOAKER 50 OR 100 WHEN THEY WERE NEW. DO YOU PAY ATTENTION?! High Schoolers wear the fashions of the times, not Collegians. Do you know what a colleague is?  "Whoops! Others It Is!" wasn't a classic like the other three I listed. It was an annoying song with an obnoxious singer who got on people's nerves. It was no different from "Who Let the Dogs Out?".That Golden Age rap article was more than likely written by a "90s kid". People my age would not waste their time writing Wikipedia articles. Of course a "90s kid" wants everyone to see his side to things. Like I said before, rap died in 1993 with posers like Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Wu Tang Clan. 1993-1996 were the darkest years out of the whole 90s. That is only my view on things.

I was born in '77 and resided in Dayton, Ohio for most of the 1990s. Why does that matter here? I have nothing to prove.


Bro I understand TMNT (and the early 90s pop culture in general) is probably close to your heart so you feel kinda "protective" of it... but someone not being born/not being old enough at the time doesn't perclude them from having an opinion or being able to comment on it (if that was true no historians could ever talk about stuff from past centuries!).  ;D Its that kind of elitist attitude about some nostalgists that turns me off....maybe because so much of what I like and grew up on is from 1980 1982 or 1985 - i.e. right before I was born or when I was really small...so I'm bound to stick up for anyone else who does too.

Sure, the "coolest", most cutting edge relevant pop culture in 1995 may have been pure 90s... but that doesn't mean there wasn't still some 80s aesthetic hanging around, and it certainly doesn't mean people (including young kids) can't get into things later. I did that with many many things.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls400eJKpe1r317bvo1_250.gif

Is this really something to get excited about? I-played-with-that-before-you-did-so-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaaaaaaahhh.
Come on, let's play nice. There isn't a test later for who REALLY played with the supersoaker first.


;D

Not sure if TheEarly90sGuy thinks I'm allowed to talk about this (I was born in 87), but I actually agree with a lot of what he's saying. I've always seen 92 as the last really "old school" year. The whole ~88-92 period seems kind of like its own era. More edgy/urban than the core 80s culture, but still a strong "80s vibe". 93 seems a lot less cheesy in comparison. That could be because 93 is the first year I have a decently strong memory of, so 92 seems more vague and "old school" to me personally, but it really does seem like there was a cultural shift around 92/93.

Then around 97/98, teen pop exploded and pop culture became more up-beat and happy again. So I would agree that neither the early or late 90s were really dark. That would be the mid 90s.

Not sure if TheEarly90sGuy thinks I'm allowed to talk about this (I was born in 87), but I actually agree with a lot of what he's saying. I've always seen 92 as the last really "old school" year. The whole ~88-92 period seems kind of like its own era. More edgy/urban than the core 80s culture, but still a strong "80s vibe". 93 seems a lot less cheesy in comparison. That could be because 93 is the first year I have a decently strong memory of, so 92 seems more vague and "old school" to me personally, but it really does seem like there was a cultural shift around 92/93.

Then around 97/98, teen pop exploded and pop culture became more up-beat and happy again. So I would agree that neither the early or late 90s were really dark. That would be the mid 90s.



I was born very close to you but have a different view. The very late 90s were bubbly on the surface but much darker underneath.

The very late 90s and very early 00s were extremely dark.
This song was from 2000 and this was the vibe I remember:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20jvV-BPNSk

Bro I understand TMNT (and the early 90s pop culture in general) is probably close to your heart so you feel kinda "protective" of it... but someone not being born/not being old enough at the time doesn't perclude them from having an opinion or being able to comment on it (if that was true no historians could ever talk about stuff from past centuries!).  ;D Its that kind of elitist attitude about some nostalgists that turns me off....maybe because so much of what I like and grew up on is from 1980 1982 or 1985 - i.e. right before I was born or when I was really small...so I'm bound to stick up for anyone else who does too.

Sure, the "coolest", most cutting edge relevant pop culture in 1995 may have been pure 90s... but that doesn't mean there wasn't still some 80s aesthetic hanging around, and it certainly doesn't mean people (including young kids) can't get into things later. I did that with many many things.


I hate it when people with later memories try to tell it how it was for everyone else. I remember the adult contemporary songs of the early 90s word for word.

I was precocious and had an early memory so I have vivid memories of 1990 and even some flash memories of the late 80s. This makes me feel older than my age.

Not sure if TheEarly90sGuy thinks I'm allowed to talk about this (I was born in 87), but I actually agree with a lot of what he's saying. I've always seen 92 as the last really "old school" year. The whole ~88-92 period seems kind of like its own era. More edgy/urban than the core 80s culture, but still a strong "80s vibe". 93 seems a lot less cheesy in comparison. That could be because 93 is the first year I have a decently strong memory of, so 92 seems more vague and "old school" to me personally, but it really does seem like there was a cultural shift around 92/93.

Then around 97/98, teen pop exploded and pop culture became more up-beat and happy again. So I would agree that neither the early or late 90s were really dark. That would be the mid 90s.


Talk on. Thank you.

Bro I understand TMNT (and the early 90s pop culture in general) is probably close to your heart so you feel kinda "protective" of it... but someone not being born/not being old enough at the time doesn't perclude them from having an opinion or being able to comment on it (if that was true no historians could ever talk about stuff from past centuries!).  ;D Its that kind of elitist attitude about some nostalgists that turns me off....maybe because so much of what I like and grew up on is from 1980 1982 or 1985 - i.e. right before I was born or when I was really small...so I'm bound to stick up for anyone else who does too.

Sure, the "coolest", most cutting edge relevant pop culture in 1995 may have been pure 90s... but that doesn't mean there wasn't still some 80s aesthetic hanging around, and it certainly doesn't mean people (including young kids) can't get into things later. I did that with many many things.


How can they talk about it when they weren't there?

Yes, I was. however, I can still post on the topic. I know because they were popular until the Batman series ended in 1995 while TMNT ended in 1996 and X-Men ended in 1997; therefore, they were all popular during the mid 90s. Late 80s babies did use them, but it wasnt until the mid 90s because they were considered too young to play with huge water guns. I mean with a super soaker you need both hands and as a 2/3 year old, it was too big for them. It didnt die, songs of 1993 to 1996 are also considered classics, so that means the golden age continued until the late 90s. also, I am a rap fan. I've been listening to rap since the 90s and I have listen to some before that period. They probably didnt because they wanted to have their own sound and all of them along with Public Enemy and Arrested Development have classic songs that can be replayed over and over again.

I do know. In the mid 90s, there wasnt just flannel. there was also overalls, baggy jeans, fila shoes, Jncos, scrunchies, butterfly clips, the cesar cuts, eraser-head afros, braids, pixie cuts, bowl cuts, jordans, dark make-up, tucked in clothing, bald-heads, plaid and denim clothing. Fads were power rangers, SNES, Sega Genesis, Disney, dial-up, gameboy, rap, grunge, PS1, Sega Saturn, the golden age of nicktoons, VHS tapes, All That, Boy Meets World, Sister sister, Snick, and being slimed on Nickelodeon.


Your post sound similar to my old ones on another forum. I remember trying to convince 80s people that the late 80s and early 90s were just as wonderful as the mid 80s were. Of course, they weren't having it. Those same people were told off by punk rockers that 1980-1983 were the only great years of the 1980s. All 80s fans heard 70s people tell them how much better the 70s were when compared to the 80s. So, 80s fans had hear about how all of the innocence was gone once Ronald was President and MTV was on the tube.


You can't tell me when all three shows were popular because you were an infant. I have my views and you have what is listed on-line. Please stop trying, this isn't even on topic. Songs of the mid 90s may be classics to children and teens of that time, but they aren't a part of the Golden Age of rap. I know what I'm talking about. Even the cheesy pop phase of rap was dead in 1993.


FYI, all of those styles you mentioned were mainly from late 90s, not 1993-1996. I know what the fads of the mid 90s were. You didn't need to tell me that. I wasn't born yesterday. The shows you brought up were never pop culture like The Wonder Years, Full House, Ren and Stimpy or even the Rugrats.

I'm not agreeing with you. I stick by my word, the mid 90s were darker than both the early and late 90s. There was so much flannel in the mid 90s you would look away and think the sky was red and black.

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That was pretty funny.

I hate it when people with later memories try to tell it how it was for everyone else. I remember the adult contemporary songs of the early 90s word for word.

I was precocious and had an early memory so I have vivid memories of 1990 and even some flash memories of the late 80s. This makes me feel older than my age.


If a person with "later memories" isn't around to speak of what happened at the time, then who will speak of what the times were like when so and so came out?! Huh?! ???

How can they talk about it when they weren't there?


So we all should stop talking about the time before our birth? Go tell that all the history teachers  ;D

So we all should stop talking about the time before our birth? Go tell that all the history teachers  ;D


They read from a textbook and imagine what happened. They weren't there. ;D

This guy's stuff about the "golden age" of rap is what is silliest to me. For one that term is extremely subjective, and two any actual rap fan old or young would tell you that there was a plethora of awesome hip hop being released in the mid 1990s. Albums like Illmatic and Ready to Die being a couple of examples. I've always felt that rap peaked between 1991 and 1995, and many people feel the deaths of 2pac and Biggie put an end to a classic era of hip hop.

This guy's stuff about the "golden age" of rap is what is silliest to me. For one that term is extremely subjective, and two any actual rap fan old or young would tell you that there was a plethora of awesome hip hop being released in the mid 1990s. Albums like Illmatic and Ready to Die being a couple of examples. I've always felt that rap peaked between 1991 and 1995, and many people feel the deaths of 2pac and Biggie put an end to a classic era of hip hop.


Umm…the guy is right here. Awesome hip hop does not equal Golden Age rap. YOU have always felt like rap peaked from 1991 to 1995, not all rap fans. B.I.G. isn't up there with Public Enemy, Black Sheep and Arrested Development. He never was nor will he ever be. He was Silver Age then and still is now.

Umm…the guy is right here. Awesome hip hop does not equal Golden Age rap. YOU have always felt like rap peaked from 1991 to 1995, not all rap fans. B.I.G. isn't up there with Public Enemy, Black Sheep and Arrested Development. He never was nor will he ever be. He was Silver Age then and still is now.


That too sounds like a personal opinion, not a fact. However, it is a fact to say that B.I.G is generally as acclaimed and placed on the same level as any of them (Arrested Development? Pretty sure Biggie would trump them). The fact that you apparently detest him and call yourself a rap fan clearly makes you a minority on the issue. This Golden Age/Silver Age BS is just some subjective concoction you've devised in your own head.

Your post sound similar to my old ones on another forum. I remember trying to convince 80s people that the late 80s and early 90s were just as wonderful as the mid 80s were. Of course, they weren't having it. Those same people were told off by punk rockers that 1980-1983 were the only great years of the 1980s. All 80s fans heard 70s people tell them how much better the 70s were when compared to the 80s. So, 80s fans had hear about how all of the innocence was gone once Ronald was President and MTV was on the tube.


You can't tell me when all three shows were popular because you were an infant. I have my views and you have what is listed on-line. Please stop trying, this isn't even on topic. Songs of the mid 90s may be classics to children and teens of that time, but they aren't a part of the Golden Age of rap. I know what I'm talking about. Even the cheesy pop phase of rap was dead in 1993.


FYI, all of those styles you mentioned were mainly from late 90s, not 1993-1996. I know what the fads of the mid 90s were. You didn't need to tell me that. I wasn't born yesterday. The shows you brought up were never pop culture like The Wonder Years, Full House, Ren and Stimpy or even the Rugrats.

I'm not agreeing with you. I stick by my word, the mid 90s were darker than both the early and late 90s. There was so much flannel in the mid 90s you would look away and think the sky was red and black.
Yep, I see this all the time. However, thats a generalization because there are some people out there who like other generations pop culture.

I know I cant, but all I was saying was that all those shows were popular in the mid 90s and they weren't popular over the other. Another thing, not only were those songs classics to children and teens, but they were also classics to adults as well. In fact, both of my parents own both early 90s and mid 90s rap CDS and they have all of those classics on their phones. I also even have all those classics on my phone and I listen to them on YouTube too. I've listened to rap songs from 1993 and some still had the cheesy pop phase. If golden age of rap ended in 1993, then why is Snoop Dogg, Wu-Tang Clan, Dr, Dre, Redman, Outkast and Nas listed in the page?

I think you need to look at the page again and see the notable artists listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

Heres a quote from Wikipedia listing the time frame of golden age rap from the first book

In the book Contemporary Youth Culture, the "golden age era" is described as being "from 1987–1999", coming after "the old school era: from 1979 to 1985

Here another quote from another book

In Icons of Hip Hop : An Encyclopedia of the Movement, Music, and Culture (Greenwood Icons) the golden age of hip hop is described by scholar Mickey Hess as "circa 1986-1994

Are you sure about the styles? Most of those were universally in the whole 90s. You also do realize all of those shows were in the mid 90s right? Sister, Sister didnt even end until 1999. Boy Meets World didnt end until 2000, the first All That didnt end until 2000. therefore, they were part of the mid 90s pop culture.

Was flannel really the only thing that made the mid 90s dark? and BTW, 1993 is also part of the early 90s.





To the OP of the topic - No. I dont see the late 90s as a dark era. In fact, most of the 90s was actually happy as the style of pop culture didnt have much of a dark tune in it.