It emerged in the mid 1990s after Kurt Cobain dies, but when? When did it first become popular? When I hear post-grunge I generally think of Creed and Nickelback. Is Post-Grunge really even a 90s thing?

IMO Post-Grunge is the more poppish version of grunge. According to VF's chart, Post-Grunge didn't really emerge into mainstream popularity until around 1999/2000, with its popularity roughly coinciding with the 2000s decade (which is what I associate part of the 2000s with(, though it faded quickly in 2009. The 1995-1998 was simply more of a standard alternative rock that hardly had much from the grunge scene, though the post-grunge did remain underground. Some traditional grunge artist bands such as Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails transitioning into post-grunge.

It emerged in the mid 1990s after Kurt Cobain dies, but when? When did it first become popular? When I hear post-grunge I generally think of Creed and Nickelback. Is Post-Grunge really even a 90s thing?

Creed is labelled post-grunge, but why? Their sound to me doesn't have similarities with grunge to begin with. They're alternative metal, though rock would be more appropriate because I don't think them or Nickelback are hard enough to be metal.

IMO Post-Grunge is the more poppish version of grunge. According to VF's chart, Post-Grunge didn't really emerge into mainstream popularity until around 1999/2000, with its popularity roughly coinciding with the 2000s decade (which is what I associate part of the 2000s with(, though it faded quickly in 2009. The 1995-1998 was simply more of a standard alternative rock that hardly had much from the grunge scene, though the post-grunge did remain underground. Some traditional grunge artist bands such as Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails transitioning into post-grunge.


Alanis Morissette released "Jagged Little Pill" in 1995 and that was Post-Grunge. Also the song "Bitch" from Meredith Brooks is Post-Grunge too. Don't forget Foo Fighters too.

I consider Alanis alternative or pop-rock.

Some very early post-grunge hits came in the '90s, but for the most part it was a purely '00s fad. 

I think of Post-Grunge definitely a 90s thing, but one that went on until very, very far into the 00s.  Post-Grunge was probably around for a full ten years or so, though by the tail end in the mid-00s, all its fans were aging.  Certainly nobody in my high school liked it.

That said, the line between Post-Grunge and "90s Alt Rock" is very thin at times.  That said, according to stuff like Wikipedia and allmusic and such, a lot of the stuff on Alternative Rock radio in the mid-90s could be classified as Post-Grunge: Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, Bush, Live, Collective Soul, and others.  Though I'd argue there is a difference in sound between mid-90s Post-Grunge and mid-00s Post-Grunge

As this thread has shown, post-grunge is a very wide genre that long overstayed its welcome, lasting from the mid'90s through the late '00s.  Most people however when they hear the term, think of Nickelback, Daughtry, and the ilk which is distinctly '00s.  The last huge Top 40 post-grunge song I remember is September by Daughtry in 2010.

So should this be moved to the 2000s board?

It emerged in the mid 1990s after Kurt Cobain dies, but when? When did it first become popular? When I hear post-grunge I generally think of Creed and Nickelback. Is Post-Grunge really even a 90s thing?


Depends really.  You could say that Post-Grunge really happened around 1991, when all the original Grunge bands became popular and corporations have been pimping them out.  But for the sake of the argument, I'd say around 1995 when bands like SilverChair start appearing on the scene.

This is too trival anyways, as original Grunge bands thought they were playing traditional Heavy Metal or Punk in the beginning(despite being isolated in Seattle).

This is too trival anyways, as original Grunge bands thought they were playing traditional Heavy Metal or Punk in the beginning(despite being isolated in Seattle).


Exactly, I've long argued that besides playing some kind of loud rock and being from Seattle, there weren't really any unifying sound characteristics among grunge bands. I'm from Seattle, so I've always seen grunge as more of a regional rock scene rather than a true genre.

Exactly, I've long argued that besides playing some kind of loud rock and being from Seattle, there weren't really any unifying sound characteristics among grunge bands. I'm from Seattle, so I've always seen grunge as more of a regional rock scene rather than a true genre.

Like how Desert Rock is a type of stoner rock from Palm Desert, but sometimes is used interchangable.

Exactly, I've long argued that besides playing some kind of loud rock and being from Seattle, there weren't really any unifying sound characteristics among grunge bands. I'm from Seattle, so I've always seen grunge as more of a regional rock scene rather than a true genre.


Yeah, Alice in Chains and Nirvana for example sound nothing alike. And yet they're both labeled grunge? I think of grunge as a MTV/media promotional tactic more than an actual defined music genre. There certainly was a culture associated with the whole early 90s alt-rock movement, but it was broad and varied while the media tried to focus on a very small segment of it post Smells Like Teen Spirit.

Yeah, Alice in Chains and Nirvana for example sound nothing alike. And yet they're both labeled grunge? I think of grunge as a MTV/media promotional tactic more than an actual defined music genre. There certainly was a culture associated with the whole early 90s alt-rock movement, but it was broad and varied while the media tried to focus on a very small segment of it post Smells Like Teen Spirit.


My opinion is that corporations needed a similiar heavy rock product as Hair Metal died and something needed to be replaced.

Also, there were many other different rock genre's that were getting pushed back in the early 90s, such as more aggressive Heavy Metal(Death Metal and the like) which you can find in MTV's HeadBangers Ball. 

The answer to this question depends entirely on who you ask, but I have heard alot of people say that this Candlebox hit from 1993 is the first true "post-grunge" song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu3EuWg2qNI

Personally, I've always considered 1995 as the year that post-grunge really took off. I mean, the Foo Fighters debut album, "Cumbersome", and "Breakfast at Tiffany's" all came out that year. Plus you had this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJ4O-nSveg

Some very early post-grunge hits came in the '90s, but for the most part it was a purely '00s fad.


A fad is something that last for only a very short while. Dubstep was a 2012 fad. It became popular in 2012 by Skrillex and it continued to be popular into early 2013, but it died by April I would say. Post-Grunge was a major trend.

A fad is something that last for only a very short while. Dubstep was a 2012 fad. It became popular in 2012 by Skrillex and it continued to be popular into early 2013, but it died by April I would say. Post-Grunge was a major trend.


I get what you are saying.  Post-grunge was more than a fad because it lasted so long.  I would say dubstep started in 2011 though.  It didn't last near as long as I thought it would.

I get what you are saying.  Post-grunge was more than a fad because it lasted so long.  I would say dubstep started in 2011 though.  It didn't last near as long as I thought it would.
Post grunge lasted from the mid-90s to about 2009, whereas dubstep became a fad in 2010, it peaked around 2011/12, and has been losing popularity since then.

I'd say post grunge lasted roughly from 1994 to 2009.

I'd say post grunge lasted roughly from 1994 to 2009.


Post-grunge didn't exist in 1994, it started in 1995.

First, let's look at grunge itself.
After Nevermind was released in 1991, the genre blew up in popularity. The narrative goes it stayed that way until Cobain died. 1994, however, was arguably the commercial peak of grunge, with Nirvana's posthumous acoustic EP becoming huge. Pearl Jam's Vitalogy, Soundgarden's Superunknown, Stone Temple Pilots's Purple, Hole's Live Through This, and Bush's Sixteen Stone all represent the genre at its height.
However, after that, perhaps BECAUSE Nirvana was clearly gone, and the genre's other big bands were also suffering from problems (Pearl Jam's battle with Ticketmaster), the scene quickly died off. 1995's only major release in terms of grunge was the self-titled album by Alice In Chains. Otherwise, this year in my opinion is when "post-grunge" truly got big. Foo Fighter's first album in my opinion represents this transition perfectly. You can still hear grunge influences in it, but it's starting to become post-grunge. Other post-grunge records from this year include Collective Soul, Sparkle and Fade, and Pet Your Friends. Whilst none of the post-grunge bands you know (except Foo Fighters of course) were popular yet, the stage for the genre was being set up. Do note that first-wave post-grunge doesn't really have much of an identity yet. I remember one article called it "scrunge", but most of it was probably just labelled as alternative rock or pop rock. It's a lot like how grunge in the mid-80s was generally labelled as punk or metal (alternative rock wasn't popular back then), then it was called "the Seattle sound" before finally being labelled as grunge. I'd say the second half of 1995 is when post-grunge REALLY began to have an identity beyond just being called grunge or pop rock.
Many of the post-grunge bands you guys probably know like Nickelback, Creed, and Puddle of Mudd however REALLY blew up in one year in particular: 2001. That was the year we had albums like Silver Side Up, Weathered, and Come Clean came out. Most tellingly, however, How You Remind Me became the #1 single of the year. IMO this is when so-called "butt rock" really blew up, giving rise to what I consider "second-wave" post-grunge, or again, often referred to as butt-rock. This also encompasses stuff like Daughtry and Hinder. Basically, all those bands that stayed big until 2008, then rock AS A WHOLE died off in 2009 in favor of electropop.
To me, first-wave and second-wave post-grunge are VERY different, which is sad to see genuinely good bands like Everclear, Collective Soul, and of course Foo Fighters being labelled alongside bands like Nickelback and Saving Abel and Theory of a Deadman.

Summary:
First-wave post-grunge: 1995-2000
Second-wave post-grunge: 2001-2008

All I know is that Grunge was in between 1992 and 1995.

1993/1994 is when it began, it began while Cobain was still alive, and probably reached its peak between 1995-1997.

The answer to this question depends entirely on who you ask, but I have heard alot of people say that this Candlebox hit from 1993 is the first true "post-grunge" song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu3EuWg2qNI

Personally, I've always considered 1995 as the year that post-grunge really took off. I mean, the Foo Fighters debut album, "Cumbersome", and "Breakfast at Tiffany's" all came out that year. Plus you had this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJ4O-nSveg


Shine by Collective Soul is considered one of the first true post grunge songs and that song was released first in March 1993, and then re-released in October 1993 and became the best selling rock song of 1994. It peaked at #11 on the Billboard Hot 100 on August 13th, 1994, and ruled the rock charts for 8 weeks straight. Far Behind peaked a little letter, coming it at #18 on the same chart (Hot 100) on October 1st, 1994. Both were certified gold and later platinum by the end of '94.

So I'd say the post grunge scene as it well was well established by the end of 1994, with beginnings in 1993. The next year ('95) Collective Soul released a self titled album that went multi-platinum.

All I know is that Grunge was in between 1992 and 1995.
Do you sing Grunge?