1991, the true dawn of the nineties, is now a full 20 years ago. we all know about the 20 year rule for retro, however, does it apply for the 90s? or does 2011 still have too much in common with the '90s for the 90s to be retro now?

I'd expect a big 80s comeback before a 90s ones. I think the reason people think there is a 90s revival is because right now we are kind of caught between trends of the 00s and those of past styles. When I see hair for women on tv it is bigger and has more volume to it than what I would see on tv ads 3 or 4 years ago. I think big hair is slowly coming back which is way we get some of those 90s styles coming back if only a short period of time. I don't really think the 00s had a big 80s retro feel to it maybe with music but most 80s things never really became popular again in the 2000s IMO.

I think things that were kind of corny in the 80s, like robots, would be modernized in this decade.  I also expect a comeback of yuppie-businessmen in the mid 2010s(assuming the economy gets better).

Did you know Ron Howard is bald?

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/ron-howard-picture.jpg

Did you know Ron Howard is bald?

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/ron-howard-picture.jpg


How old is he? He looks so different from his younger years.  :D

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9pzcZul5WAsd4B7vTQSommk1RJ9XO6u2YkEQM_gEaMeJ5lfohWQ&t=1

Yes, I remember the Power rangers. Here is a picture of them.

How old is he? He looks so different from his younger years.  :D


He is 57 years old.  Hard to believe he looks like that, while his daughter looks like this ...

http://24celebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Bryce-Dallas-Howard-pictures-013.jpg    

He is 57 years old.  Hard to believe he looks like that, while his daughter looks like this ...

http://24celebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Bryce-Dallas-Howard-pictures-013.jpg    


Um.... they have the same red hair?  ;D

Did you know Ron Howard is bald?

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/ron-howard-picture.jpg
Yes

I think the early to mid 90s from like 1990-1996 are retro. Maybe even 1997 but 1998-1999 aren't retro enough for me.

Hard to believe Clint Howard once looked like this

http://application.denofgeek.com/images/gb/clint.howard.jpg


when now he looks like this  :o

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BEogiLoYMCk/TGjFsZxDMcI/AAAAAAAAAzY/N4wpGPLtxGw/s1600/10+Clint_Howard.jpg

Although he did have a comb over at the age of 11 so the baldness isn't shocking.


http://celebritykids.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/clinthoward1.jpg

Although he did have a comb over at the age of 11 so the baldness isn't shocking.

http://celebritykids.name/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/clinthoward1.jpg

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http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm66/Phil_O-Sopher/clinthoward1.jpg

Thank you Philip not sure why the  url image didn't show. but I appreciate the back up assist! O0

Hard to believe Clint Howard once looked like this

http://application.denofgeek.com/images/gb/clint.howard.jpg


when now he looks like this  :o

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BEogiLoYMCk/TGjFsZxDMcI/AAAAAAAAAzY/N4wpGPLtxGw/s1600/10+Clint_Howard.jpg




Clint is quite the scary looking guy.  He actually knows that oo, and often plays off that.  He is best known for his appearances in movies directed by his Brother.

Bryce should do a movie where in it, her father and Uncle are played by Ron and Clint.  That would be cool.

and Rance Howard can do a cameo as grandpa!!!  8)

http://blog.al.com/bob-carlton/2009/03/medium_Rance%20two.jpg

damn it's weird, Ron Howard looks like a young person who grew old!!!!  :D

anyways --- do you think it's been long enough that the 90's can be called 'retro'?

damn it's weird, Ron Howard looks like a young person who grew old!!!!  :D

anyways --- do you think it's been long enough that the 90's can be called 'retro'?


In my mind the 90s won't be retro really until the 2020s. It just feels too soon in the 2010s.

did you know that a pregnant goldfish is called a twit?  it's true... google it...
:D

did you know that a pregnant goldfish is called a twit?  it's true... google it...
:D


Yes, I actually do. I heard it on the radio once.  :(

Yes, I actually do. I heard it on the radio once.  :(


I didn't know that.... I just found out today.

I didn't know that.... I just found out today.


I just found out about 4 weeks ago, so you're not too behind. I still don't know all 50 states yet!  ;D

did you know that a pregnant goldfish is called a twit?  it's true... google it...
:D


So does that mean people who twitter are pregnant goldfishers?  :D


2 LEGIT 2 QUIT HEY HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I just found out about 4 weeks ago, so you're not too behind. I still don't know all 50 states yet!  ;D

I think they all end in a y.... oh wait...maybe that's just the days of the week!  :D

anyways --- do you think it's been long enough that the 90's can be called 'retro'?


http://www3.whig.com/whig/blogs/ihavealottoshare/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/justin-bieber-justin-bieber-8699904.jpg

The early 90s are definitely retro, I mean compare 1991 to 2011. The mid 90s are getting there too, the late 90s are still a little too recent(only 12-14 years ago), but are very dated(spikey frosted tips, nu metal, ect.).

Did you know..... that A theater manager in Seoul, Korea felt that The Sound of Music was too long, so he shortened it by cutting out all the songs.  :o

Did you know..... that A theater manager in Seoul, Korea felt that The Sound of Music was too long, so he shortened it by cutting out all the songs.  :o


that's off topic but pretty funny.  ;D

I don't get it...what kind of papers do those teachers have you young whippersnappers write today?  Or is this a school debate topic?

I only ask because most people's answers here are, "Who cares?"  :D

I don't get it...what kind of papers do those teachers have you young whippersnappers write today?  Or is this a school debate topic?

I only ask because most people's answers here are, "Who cares?"  :D






this is why we need you to pop in more frequently Midas.... you speak the truth.... no go do that again in the 70s / 80s topic that's probably still on the front page!  ;D

Heyyyy, I just noticed that Clint was sporting the Bieber 'do long before Bieber
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm66/Phil_O-Sopher/clinthoward1.jpghttp://photos.posh24.com/p/917568/z/justin_bieber/justin_bieber_hair.jpg

Heyyyy, I just noticed that Clint was sporting the Bieber 'do long before Bieber
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm66/Phil_O-Sopher/clinthoward1.jpghttp://photos.posh24.com/p/917568/z/justin_bieber/justin_bieber_hair.jpg


thank you for that... I noticed that yesterday but forgot to post a pic!  ;D 

90s pop culture was way too plain to ever become retro. But the technology, definitely.

90s pop culture was way too plain to ever become retro. But the technology, definitely.


It's actually plainier than today's culture. today's culture has character, it's just a character I don't like.

It's actually plainier than today's culture. today's culture has character, it's just a character I don't like.
I am sure everything is plain, when you are learning to eat, walk and talk... and really life up until 5th grade is all sorta dull...

Perhaps it is your age that is guiding your perception - Just saying.  I went to college in the 90's and thought it was much more exciting and eventful than today's culture. But hey I am now working daily, and a parent. Just saying...

I am sure everything is plain, when you are learning to eat, walk and talk... and really life up until 5th grade is all sorta dull...

Perhaps it is your age that is guiding your perception - Just saying.  I went to college in the 90's and thought it was much more exciting and eventful than today's culture. But hey I am now working daily, and a parent. Just saying...


very true. i dont really remember the cultural part of the 90s, save the tail end ...

I am sure everything is plain, when you are learning to eat, walk and talk... and really life up until 5th grade is all sorta dull...

Perhaps it is your age that is guiding your perception - Just saying.  I went to college in the 90's and thought it was much more exciting and eventful than today's culture. But hey I am now working daily, and a parent. Just saying...


Actually, I'd say the opposite. When you're a young kid everything seems amazing, magical, and out of this world.

Actually, I'd say the opposite. When you're a young kid everything seems amazing, magical, and out of this world.


Problem is you grow up and realize that it wasn't. From some reason (I blame your parents for coddling you) it's taking you far too long to accept and deal with reality. You keep yearning for what never was.

*when I say you I mean your generation.

Problem is you grow up and realize that it wasn't. From some reason (I blame your parents for coddling you) it's taking you far too long to accept and deal with reality. You keep yearning for what never was.

*when I say you I mean your generation.


What's wrong with wanting things to keep their magic? Why do you want to force everyone to feel bleak all the time? Some things feel magical even in the here and now. I recognize the reality of now (some aspects I like, others I dislike)  but realize that now isn't the future. None of us know what the future holds. What's wrong with keeping that yearning and treasuring your favorite memories? Appreciating these things is a gift I'll treasure for the rest of my life.

Actually, I'd say the opposite. When you're a young kid everything seems amazing, magical, and out of this world.
You're still a kid... Get to college live on your own, live, have fun, do this do that... Those are the times you will remember.  I do not remember anything fun from my 5th grade year. OH Yah I remember I liked going to the park, the swimming pool and riding my bike.  I did not have opinions in music, culture, or tv shows. Heck I was the youngest, I listened to what someone else had on.  Perhaps your generation, gets to choose more, as you get technology at a younger age.  But you will still not think it is so great when you get out and experience life yourself. 

Problem is you grow up and realize that it wasn't. From some reason (I blame your parents for coddling you) it's taking you far too long to accept and deal with reality. You keep yearning for what never was.

*when I say you I mean your generation.
and that...  probably better stated than I  8)

What's wrong with wanting things to keep their magic? Why do you want to force everyone to feel bleak all the time? Some things feel magical even in the here and now. I recognize the reality of now (some aspects I like, others I dislike)  but realize that now isn't the future. None of us know what the future holds. What's wrong with keeping that yearning and treasuring your favorite memories? Appreciating these things is a gift I'll treasure for the rest of my life.


Save this post and revisit in 15 years and you'll have the answer.

I never said everyone has to be bleak I just said there's a real world and it would be nice to see your generation step out of the past and engage in it

What's wrong with wanting things to keep their magic? Why do you want to force everyone to feel bleak all the time? Some things feel magical even in the here and now. I recognize the reality of now (some aspects I like, others I dislike)  but realize that now isn't the future. None of us know what the future holds. What's wrong with keeping that yearning and treasuring your favorite memories? Appreciating these things is a gift I'll treasure for the rest of my life.
and then the real world b-tch slaps you right in the nose...  Good luck, keep your dreams, your ideals, your beliefs.  But they will change, because you will realize what you were yearning and treasuring really didn't mean a dyam as what you NEED, Believe and want NOW...

and that...  probably better stated than I  8)


Your point was clear. Probably falling on blind eyes but it was clear.  ;D

Save this post and revisit in 15 years and you'll have the answer.

I never said everyone has to be bleak I just said there's a real world and it would be nice to see your generation step out of the past and engage in it
O0

Your point was clear. Probably falling on blind eyes but it was clear.  ;D
Didn't now the cartman was reading this  ;)

Didn't now the cartman was reading this  ;)


Ha ha. His is a different issue entirely  ;D

and then the real world b-tch slaps you right in the nose...  Good luck, keep your dreams, your ideals, your beliefs.  But they will change, because you will realize what you were yearning and treasuring really didn't mean a dyam as what you NEED, Believe and want NOW...


I think generation Y is extremely spoiled. And I'm a generation Yer. We grew up with better technology than previous generations and great economic times so it made us kinda whiny. I think some of them feel entitled even!

Ha ha. His is a different issue entirely  ;D
Kids these day's just looking to see where they fit in... And I am just asking... Do you call yourself a child of the 70's or 80's?  This has always baffled me.  NEVER would I consider myself a 70's child, yes I was born early in the 70's but I did not care about the culture per se... Fashion was what my mother bought and laid out for me (heck my 1st grade picture brown dress, red tights, and turquoise shoes - WTH), music was what was on the radio, air conditioning was something my parents had in the front seat, I sat on the hump, couldn't cross the road (so I played in the Park, cemetary and block that I never had to cross a road to get to it)...    I always consider myself an 80's child, that is when I got my hair cut like Lady Di, started picking out my own clothes, cuffed my jeans, got a perm, HAD MALL BANGS (Dear God I miss those - someday they will come back), I bought Duran Duran, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, and Van Halen, I bought my own Sweet Valley High books, and I got to watch MIami Vice and Saturday Night Live (OH and Friday Night Video's and SOLID GOLD on Sunday's)...  OH my I am off on a tangent, just wondering if I am the only person who thinks this?

I never felt a need to label myself 70's or 80's i just have fond memories of both. I don't know that I was consciously aware of pop culture but I totally related to the world thru the shows I watched and the music i listened to.  I followed the shift accordingly and changed my opinions as the times changed.  I loved the 70s and 80s and I get nostalgic feeling when I watch movies like now & then or fast times etc. I just don't have an obsessive need to wallow in the culture of those eras. Nor to I analyze everything about and obsess about the differences of then vs now. Times keep changing. It's called evolution. It happens so accept it and move the frack on.

I think generation Y is extremely spoiled. And I'm a generation Yer. We grew up with better technology than previous generations and great economic times so it made us kinda whiny. I think some of them feel entitled even!


That perception entitlement is what I blame the parents for. Seems everyone I encounter who was born just before (or at the beginning of) the 90's seems to think everything is for, because or about them.....which is totally ridiculous since everyone knows it's all only about me!!!! :D

I never felt a need to label myself 70's or 80's i just have fond memories of both. I don't know that I was consciously aware of pop culture but I totally related to the world thru the shows I watched and the music i listened to.  I followed the shift accordingly and changed my opinions as the times changed.  I loved the 70s and 80s and I get nostalgic feeling when I watch movies like now & then or fast times etc. I just don't have an obsessive need to wallow in the culture of those eras. Nor to I analyze everything about and obsess about the differences of then vs now. Times keep changing. It's called evolution. It happens so accept it and move the frack on.
mmmm, I can see that...  I am not 80's obsessed, like I said before I think the best time of my life was probably the 90's (graduated high school, on my own, college, first jobs, some love life, didn't get married till Dec. 1999) I lived it up. And now, hey I am happy in 00's and 10's... I don't want to go backwards, even though my naturally curly hair could ROCK the mall bangs, I love change (even though somewhat fearful)...  Thanks 8)

mmmm, I can see that...  I am not 80's obsessed, like I said before I think the best time of my life was probably the 90's (graduated high school, on my own, college, first jobs, some love life, didn't get married till Dec. 1999) I lived it up. And now, hey I am happy in 00's and 10's... I don't want to go backwards, even though my naturally curly hair could ROCK the mall bangs, I love change (even though somewhat fearful)...  Thanks 8)


You're also not 90's obsessed because you are an adult! Amazing concept huh. You appreciate your youth but recognize it's a thing of the past. The fond memories are something to cherish not hold on to for dear life.

That perception entitlement is what I blame the parents for. Seems everyone I encounter who was born just before (or at the beginning of) the 90's seems to think everything is for, because or about them.....which is totally ridiculous since everyone knows it's all only about me!!!! :D


I always thought the sun revolved around me. Time to go back to school!  ;D

You're also not 90's obsessed because you are an adult! Amazing concept huh. You appreciate your youth but recognize it's a thing of the past. The fond memories are something to cherish not hold on to for dear life.


I think of memories like an album you go to to look at when you're nostalgic or bored.

Of course we can't remember everything because we're human, but we remember enough to have a feeling of what the era or decade was about.

I always thought the sun revolved around me. Time to go back to school!  ;D


Check yourself son....this is my world I simply allow you to be a part of it  :D

You're also not 90's obsessed because you are an adult! Amazing concept huh. You appreciate your youth but recognize it's a thing of the past. The fond memories are something to cherish not hold on to for dear life.
Precisely...  Who would want Hootie and the Blowfish forever ::)

Check yourself son....this is my world I simply allow you to be a part of it  :D
HEY Q - Look over there it's Shemar Moore and he's getting undressed...





It should be safe now -


So we let her to believe  ;D

Save this post and revisit in 15 years and you'll have the answer.

I never said everyone has to be bleak I just said there's a real world and it would be nice to see your generation step out of the past and engage in it
God, you act like our generation is the worst of all time because we all were "coddled little brats" who don't understand the real world. I could say the same thing about the Baby Boomers.

God, you act like our generation is the worst of all time because we all were "coddled little brats" who don't understand the real world. I could say the same thing about the Baby Boomers.
Bwahahahahahaaa  - I am sure those born POST World War II children had all sorts of advantages...  That is why they worked hard for the American Dream... to make their children have 'more' than what they had...  Might want to look into your research again O0

and really - honestly... you haven't experienced the real world. That is what was said; come back in 15 years and then look back...

God, you act like our generation is the worst of all time because we all were "coddled little brats" who don't understand the real world. I could say the same thing about the Baby Boomers.


I work at a university and stand by my opinion.

And read what 2kidsami said there's no comparison between the whiny generation  and baby boomers.

I work at a university and stand by my opinion.

And read what 2kidsami said there's no comparison between the whiny generation  and baby boomers.


I don't plan to go into the real world.... ever! I'm staying in my turtle shell safe and sound.  :(

Anyways, I read somewhere that people are staying at home with their parents at an even older age, 25 or so, these days.

I don't plan to go into the real world.... ever! I'm staying in my turtle shell safe and sound.  :(

Anyways, I read somewhere that people are staying at home with their parents at an even older age, 25 or so, these days.
Partially due to the poor economy, I suggest - even after college, hard to find a job unless you are at the top of the class.  I teach high school, I also see the kids wanting starting pay of 40,000 a year (in Iowa) - um not gonna happen here. 

Partially due to the poor economy, I suggest - even after college, hard to find a job unless you are at the top of the class.  I teach high school, I also see the kids wanting starting pay of 40,000 a year (in Iowa) - um not gonna happen here. 


I see this a lot with my generation. It's that feeling of entitlement.

But at the same time, my generation is still young, just give it time and give us a chance.

Partially due to the poor economy, I suggest - even after college, hard to find a job unless you are at the top of the class.  I teach high school, I also see the kids wanting starting pay of 40,000 a year (in Iowa) - um not gonna happen here. 


im willing to work minimum until i am educated properly and find something (much) better.

I see this a lot with my generation. It's that feeling of entitlement.

But at the same time, my generation is still young, just give it time and give us a chance.
True, with youth is also the idea of conquering the world with the flip of a wrist 8)  It's youth... 8)



I might add though, that no one will conquer the world by playing black ops 24/7 :P

im willing to work minimum until i am educated properly and find something (much) better.
Just remember to take what you can get, even after educated... It is much better to work beneath you, than not work at all! Experience is experience, and companies like to see you pay your dues.

True, with youth is also the idea of conquering the world with the flip of a wrist 8)  It's youth... 8)



I might add though, that no one will conquer the world by playing black ops 24/7 :P


Harry Potter uses a wand with a flick of the wrist.  ::) ;D

Forget the university, I'm going to Hogwarts!

Just remember to take what you can get, even after educated... It is much better to work beneath you, than not work at all! Experience is experience, and companies like to see you pay your dues.


yep  :)

yep  :)
This I see A LOT - I am not taking that job, it only pays ...  and I was told I would make ...  and I am not going to sell myself for nothing. I will just live at home and wait for the perfect job! ::) (don't get me started, it might start to get personal)

This I see A LOT - I am not taking that job, it only pays ...  and I was told I would make ...  and I am not going to sell myself for nothing. I will just live at home and wait for the perfect job! ::) (don't get me started, it might start to get personal)


Nah, I want a job, unemployment blows. I want money to travel!!

Some conversation holder's there...

Bwahahahahahaaa  - I am sure those born POST World War II children had all sorts of advantages...  That is why they worked hard for the American Dream... to make their children have 'more' than what they had...  Might want to look into your research again O0

and really - honestly... you haven't experienced the real world. That is what was said; come back in 15 years and then look back...
My generation will have a lot harsher world than our parents generation.

My generation will have a lot harsher world than our parents generation.


Really? Do tell? And before you begin approx how old are your parents?

Really? Do tell? And before you begin approx how old are your parents?


You know what... I just looked at your profile. You're 15 years old. You have no idea about the world yet. Whatever you may currently be going thru (or your family) may be tough but it's a whole 'nother thing when you're the one solely responsible for your life. You are not there yet.

AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!







;D

AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!






;D

Cracked yourself up with that revelation did you???  ;D

Cracked yourself up with that revelation did you???  ;D


Yes. Yes I did.  :(

Yes. Yes I did.  :(


'scool you cracked meup too.  ;D

My generation will have a lot harsher world than our parents generation.
Oh I am soo sure - typical teenage talk. You have it soo rough, instant information at your fingertips, instant entertainment, and oh you think work is going to be tough because you are going to have to do it...  Oh woe is me and I am bored...  ::)

Really? Do tell? And before you begin approx how old are your parents?
He's 15 (perhaps 16, depending on his birthday) - the 1995 gives it away... ANd the attitude

Really? Do tell? And before you begin approx how old are your parents?
Oh so his parents could be anywhere from 30 - 60 (typically) -

You know what... I just looked at your profile. You're 15 years old. You have no idea about the world yet. Whatever you may currently be going thru (or your family) may be tough but it's a whole 'nother thing when you're the one solely responsible for your life. You are not there yet.

LOL - this is the point I was trying to make.  Typical teenager, everything sucks...  Well I hate to tell you, you are living some of your best parts of life... AND then things get REALLY sucky

Oh I am soo sure - typical teenage talk. You have it soo rough, instant information at your fingertips, instant entertainment, and oh you think work is going to be tough because you are going to have to do it...  Oh woe is me and I am bored...   ::)


Jobs are being outsourced, illegal immigration is on the rise, the value of the dollar is falling, and social security is running out.

LOL - this is the point I was trying to make.  Typical teenager, everything sucks...  Well I hate to tell you, you are living some of your best parts of life... AND then things get REALLY sucky


The teenage years aren't always the best of your life. They're often pretty rough.
Teenagers aren't always ignorant and many have struggled through hardship.

Oh I am soo sure - typical teenage talk. You have it soo rough, instant information at your fingertips, instant entertainment, and oh you think work is going to be tough because you are going to have to do it...  Oh woe is me and I am bored...  ::)


I think he has a good point, the younger generations are going to be faced with peak oil, peak coal, overpopulation, out-dated economic system(one that depends on constant growth), our whole way of life is going to change dramatically without "cheap" oil, and no, alternatives(wind, solar, ect.) will not be enough.

The teenage years aren't always the best of your life. They're often pretty rough.
Teenagers aren't always ignorant and many have struggled through hardship.
Yep know all about it!  Child of a one parent family, dad wasn't around, my mother was a beautician, no health insurance - I am a chronic asthmatic, I babysat 35 hours a week to help pay for groceries, clothes, and medicine.  We were never on welfare or food stamps, the park was my best friend, I didn't go to prim or have a car (cause I didn't have the money)... Applied to college and paid for all 4 (& I made sure I got out in 4) years myself!  I

Even with it all, they were easier than life now!  I know how to work and for that I am thankful!

Yep know all about it!  Child of a one parent family, dad wasn't around, my mother was a beautician, no health insurance - I am a chronic asthmatic, I babysat 35 hours a week to help pay for groceries, clothes, and medicine.  We were never on welfare or food stamps, the park was my best friend, I didn't go to prim or have a car (cause I didn't have the money)... Applied to college and paid for all 4 (& I made sure I got out in 4) years myself!  I

Even with it all, they were easier than life now!  I know how to work and for that I am thankful!


Real life sounds rough.

Jobs are being outsourced, illegal immigration is on the rise, the value of the dollar is falling, and social security is running out.
And parents didn't have jobs with health insurance, their retirement funds have been taken away, they learned to live on less, food was mire expensive, along with clothing (unless they made their own), only 1 person worked, only 1 car, houses were smaller...  minimum wage was much less, they were paid much less..., more difficult to get credit, striking was a norm.... 

It is cyclic, until you look at the whole economic picture, you will be blind too it!

It is Americas need for more, easier and cheaper that has driven it the way it is!  People buy walmart instead of Doing with less and buying American!  Our greed is where we are at!

And I work in CTE (career and technical education). America has a huge demand for skilled trades (welders, builders, plumbers, sewer, garbage/recycling, foods industry...) but again these jobs are below many's standards...

I think he has a good point, the younger generations are going to be faced with peak oil, peak coal, overpopulation, out-dated economic system(one that depends on constant growth), our whole way of life is going to change dramatically without "cheap" oil, and no, alternatives(wind, solar, ect.) will not be enough.
Till  people start to realize they need to live with less, that is going to be the case!  Nucleur is the cheapest energy source there is, but yet America has not built a facility since 1977.  Europe is light years ahead if us, and they have had expensive oil for years... They seem to survive!

Yep know all about it!  Child of a one parent family, dad wasn't around, my mother was a beautician, no health insurance - I am a chronic asthmatic, I babysat 35 hours a week to help pay for groceries, clothes, and medicine.  We were never on welfare or food stamps, the park was my best friend, I didn't go to prim or have a car (cause I didn't have the money)... Applied to college and paid for all 4 (& I made sure I got out in 4) years myself!  I

Even with it all, they were easier than life now!  I know how to work and for that I am thankful!



That's unfortunate, but not everyone had it as rough as you did. The facts are, Gen Y has more challenges than the Baby Boomers and Gen Xers did.

That's unfortunate, but not everyone had it as rough as you did. The facts are, Gen Y has more challenges than the Baby Boomers and Gen Xers did.
And yet someone doesn't want us to generalize  ::)


Hey I did not have it rough... my mother loved me, she never beat me, and I know how to raise my children and work (no matter what the job is!  Money is Money... to sit and wait for a perfect job - not an option)  8)

The economy sux. We're at war. Life is tough still we have more resources than they did during and after the depression.

Derek it'd be nice if you expanded on your position rather than just writing general statements with no substance.

Sami I love ya but you're having a bad and it's showing.

The economy sux. We're at war. Life is tough still we have more resources than they did during and after the depression.

Derek it'd be nice if you expanded on your position rather than just writing general statements with no substance.

Sami I love ya but you're having a bad and it's showing.


Welll .... can my generation expect to buy a house before we're 30, if ever? Did the Boomers and Xers have to compete with billions of people overseas? Did your generation come of age during a depression?

look im not moping, im just saying my generation is not as (economically) fortunate as yours.

Welll .... can my generation expect to buy a house before we're 30, if ever? Did the Boomers and Xers have to compete with billions of people overseas? Did your generation come of age during a depression?

look im not moping, im just saying my generation is not as (economically) fortunate as yours.
Look at the Early 90's global recession...  yes there were disadvantage was then as well

Oh I am soo sure - typical teenage talk. You have it soo rough, instant information at your fingertips, instant entertainment, and oh you think work is going to be tough because you are going to have to do it...  Oh woe is me and I am bored...  ::)

1.) I know what you're thinking, how can some whiny 15 year old punk know anything about this crap? Im simply interested in decades, music, politics, the future, etc, etc. That's why I like this site. It's fun. I hate when people bash on my generation for being spoiled, stupid, slackers, etc, etc. Why did the Baby Boomers say about Gen X? What did the WWII-Gen say about the Baby Boomers? They said they were spoiled and laizy too and probably still are.

2.) You have no idea what my situation is. I'm not some spoiled teenage idiot who cries over the smallest of things like not getting money from my parents or school. I don't ask for much because I know my parents are in debt and I don't really need anything that is expensive.

Look at the Early 90's global recession...  yes there were disadvantage was then as well


nothing compared to today.

Welll .... can my generation expect to buy a house before we're 30, if ever? Did the Boomers and Xers have to compete with billions of people overseas? Did your generation come of age during a depression?

look im not moping, im just saying my generation is not as (economically) fortunate as yours.


guess you've never heard of the 1980's recession...

I have this aching feeling in my stomache that the economy won't get better until at least 2020 (maybe longer). I don't think we're going into a depression, but it'll be a while until there's any stability in the economy at all.

I have faith it will turn around sooner than that.

I have faith it will turn around sooner than that.


Haven't unemployment rates gone down from 10% to about 8.8% already?

Haven't unemployment rates gone down from 10% to about 8.8% already?


I think so... although I still know people out of work  :-\\ 

The economy won't get better until outsourcing is stopped or limited.

I think it's a little unfair to gain up on someone just because they are 15. Ageism goes both ways. I don't think our generation is any different than a lot of the ones that came before, but a lot of teens are struggling to find jobs right now. My mom was born in the mid-1950s and said that this has so far been the worst recession she's ever seen and this is coming from someone who hasn't lost her job but seen a lot of others get laid off. Saying that, I know it's not just young people that are hurting but we can't forget teens are struggling as well. I've applied at almost every place in my town (which is a decent size town) and still haven't even gotten interviews or a job (and I've never had a DUI, minor, or convicted of any other crime.) Back to our generation being cuddled, I don't think that stereotype really fits a lot of teens today especially if their parents are hurting finacially because the kids/teens are also hurting. I think it's just kind of recurring that when a new generation starts becoming teens or younger adults, older generations will start putting negetive stereotypes to sum up a whole group of people. Baby Boomers had the whole counter culture thing in the 60s/70s. Gen X(the name already makes them sound bad) had the slacker/rebellious thing going and I've heard many older people say they are also very spoiled/selfish, Gen Y also has the same thing going for them, and so on.

I wouldn't say we were ganging up on the 15 yr old I just know (FROM EXPERIENCE) that your generation is going to see the world a whole lot differently in a couple of years.

As for the coddling.... I have been working at my university since 1996 and the kids get progressively worse... the kids coming in who were born 89-92 seem to be the worst lot yet... 

I wouldn't say we were ganging up on the 15 yr old I just know (FROM EXPERIENCE) that your generation is going to see the world a whole lot differently in a couple of years.

As for the coddling.... I have been working at my university since 1996 and the kids get progressively worse... the kids coming in who were born 89-92 seem to be the worst lot yet... 




What do they do exactly that is bad? Are they overly rebellious?

What do they do exactly that is bad? Are they overly rebellious?


well yes... but that's not it  ;D 


there's a sense of entitlement that I have never witnessed I can give you a few examples but know I'm dealing with this crap daily so there are hundreds more....

- girl loses her notebook with all her notes for a class... she was notified by Lost and Found that the notebook was there (3 weeks prior) and given the hours that she can pick it up. She calls on a saturday (lost and found is closed) 3wks after she was notified and says she wants her notebook. I inform her that lost and found is closed and alarmed and we can't get in she tells me that her final is monday and she needs the book. I tell her it's too bad she didn't make arrangements when she was first called three wks prior. she hangs up and calls back another line thinking it's another department. I tell her the message is going to be the same no matter who she calls.... 10 minutes later daddy calls to yell at me and tell me his daughter needs the book to study and i explain to him she had three weeks to pick it up and there is no possible way to get in lost and found on  a weekend.


- a man calls because his daughter called him crying. it was the first week of school and she's a freshman. She is having a hard time adjusting to being away from home. classes are hard and she hasn't made friends yet and she was just cited by one of my officers for a traffic violation. Daddy wanted me to make the ticket go away because his daughter was upset.


-a woman called because her daughter was cited and released for forgery. she said her daughter was straight A student who would never do anything wrong. I ask what the cite was for and it turns out the girl was caught using a forged parking permit... seems lame I know but the parking permits carry the state of CA seal and it is a felony to forge the state seal.  I explain to the mom that it's a crime to forge the CA seal and she says she knows but her daughter is a good kid who had her bike stolen and needed to get to class that day and it's not right that her daughter is going to have a record because she made a mistake...


-a man called because his daughter called him the night before to say that someone was in her apartment. I asked when the daughter called him and he said the night before. I asked why his daughter didn't call the police and he said that she called home because she didn't know what else to do. I asked why he didn't tell her to call the police last night. He said the man had left. I informed the dad that burglars frequently walk into unlocked apartments and if they see someone there they pretend it's the wrong apt.  Had the girl (or dad) called when the incident occurred we could've caught a burglar.


- mom calls yelling at me... seriously screaming at me like someone ran over her child....why? because the kid  got his bike impounded for parking it illegally.... really.... wtf....


speaking of illegally parked bikes... we have 16,000 bikes on campus...maybe more.  and the kids seem to think they can just leave them where they want...there are regulations and whenever an illegally parked bike gets impounded the kid comes in all puffed up and adamant that our bike enforcement employees stole their bike... no dumbass - you got your bike impounded because you did not want to follow the rules


-how about the kids shocked that the purse, wallet, computer, bike or whatever is stolen when they walk away from it from it for longer than 5 minutes?  and the number of times I have to tell parents every week that they cannot report a crime for their child who is over the age of 18. The person only person who can report a theft is the victim of said theft..... and there are invariably two reasons why mommy or daddy call.....
            1) the kid is "too busy" - we are open 24hrs. it takes 20 mins to file a report....
            2) (my favorites)  They don't know how  or they don't know the number.....  amazing .... the parents managed to find the 
                number to the police dept...and no... it's not 9-1-1 not for a cold theft report.  and for the ones who don't know how to file 
                report? this is an excellent time for them to learn.

well yes... but that's not it  ;D 


there's a sense of entitlement that I have never witnessed I can give you a few examples but know I'm dealing with this crap daily so there are hundreds more....

- girl loses her notebook with all her notes for a class... she was notified by Lost and Found that the notebook was there (3 weeks prior) and given the hours that she can pick it up. She calls on a saturday (lost and found is closed) 3wks after she was notified and says she wants her notebook. I inform her that lost and found is closed and alarmed and we can't get in she tells me that her final is monday and she needs the book. I tell her it's too bad she didn't make arrangements when she was first called three wks prior. she hangs up and calls back another line thinking it's another department. I tell her the message is going to be the same no matter who she calls.... 10 minutes later daddy calls to yell at me and tell me his daughter needs the book to study and i explain to him she had three weeks to pick it up and there is no possible way to get in lost and found on  a weekend.


- a man calls because his daughter called him crying. it was the first week of school and she's a freshman. She is having a hard time adjusting to being away from home. classes are hard and she hasn't made friends yet and she was just cited by one of my officers for a traffic violation. Daddy wanted me to make the ticket go away because his daughter was upset.


-a woman called because her daughter was cited and released for forgery. she said her daughter was straight A student who would never do anything wrong. I ask what the cite was for and it turns out the girl was caught using a forged parking permit... seems lame I know but the parking permits carry the state of CA seal and it is a felony to forge the state seal.  I explain to the mom that it's a crime to forge the CA seal and she says she knows but her daughter is a good kid who had her bike stolen and needed to get to class that day and it's not right that her daughter is going to have a record because she made a mistake...


-a man called because his daughter called him the night before to say that someone was in her apartment. I asked when the daughter called him and he said the night before. I asked why his daughter didn't call the police and he said that she called home because she didn't know what else to do. I asked why he didn't tell her to call the police last night. He said the man had left. I informed the dad that burglars frequently walk into unlocked apartments and if they see someone there they pretend it's the wrong apt.  Had the girl (or dad) called when the incident occurred we could've caught a burglar.


- mom calls yelling at me... seriously screaming at me like someone ran over her child....why? because the kid  got his bike impounded for parking it illegally.... really.... wtf....


speaking of illegally parked bikes... we have 16,000 bikes on campus...maybe more.  and the kids seem to think they can just leave them where they want...there are regulations and whenever an illegally parked bike gets impounded the kid comes in all puffed up and adamant that our bike enforcement employees stole their bike... no dumbass - you got your bike impounded because you did not want to follow the rules


-how about the kids shocked that the purse, wallet, computer, bike or whatever is stolen when they walk away from it from it for longer than 5 minutes?  and the number of times I have to tell parents every week that they cannot report a crime for their child who is over the age of 18. The person only person who can report a theft is the victim of said theft..... and there are invariably two reasons why mommy or daddy call.....
            1) the kid is "too busy" - we are open 24hrs. it takes 20 mins to file a report....
            2) (my favorites)  They don't know how  or they don't know the number.....   amazing .... the parents managed to find the   
                number to the police dept...and no... it's not 9-1-1 not for a cold theft report.  and for the ones who don't know how to file 
                report? this is an excellent time for them to learn.






I read the whole thing and I wonder, was it this bad 15 years ago?

As for the coddling.... I have been working at my university since 1996 and the kids get progressively worse... the kids coming in who were born 89-92 seem to be the worst lot yet...  


We've all heard the traditional version of the quote.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

But I can't authenticate it, and I just can't see Socrates using a word like "dainties" (even in translation), and especially not after meeting these dudes.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/schmutzig/TOUR%20PHOTOS/68e69c95.jpg

But how 'bout this?

"when the young are to be silent before their elders; how they are to show respect to them by standing and making them sit; what honour is due to parents; what garments or shoes are to be worn; the mode of dressing the hair; deportment and manners in general."
 - Plato/Socrates, The Republic, Book 4

" ...Yes, I said, he lives from day to day indulging the appetite of the hour; and sometimes he is lapped in drink and strains of the flute; then he becomes a water-drinker, and tries to get thin; then he takes a turn at gymnastics; sometimes idling and neglecting everything, then once more living the life of a philosopher; often he-is busy with politics, and starts to his feet and says and does whatever comes into his head; and, if he is emulous of any one who is a warrior, off he is in that direction, or of men of business, once more in that. His life has neither law nor order; and this distracted existence he terms joy and bliss and freedom; and so he goes on."
 - Plato/Socrates, The Republic, Book 8

(I'm sorry.  Are the -360s retro? :)

Was it this bad 15 years ago?  25 years ago?  It was this bad 2500 years ago.