A lot of decadeologists have said they don't think is truly '90s.  

While 1999 is without a doubt different, I still think it's '90s.  1997 and 1998 had a lot of the same stuff 1999 had.  It was before the Reality TV explosion of fall of 2000, Clinton was still President, the economy was great, dial-up was still the norm, and everyone still wore flannel.  Even 2000 and early 2001 I would say are quite '90s.

A lot of decadeologists have said they don't think is truly '90s. 

While 1999 is without a doubt different, I still think it's '90s.  1997 and 1998 had a lot of the same stuff 1999 had.  It was before the Reality TV explosion of fall of 2000, Clinton was still President, the economy was great, dial-up was still the norm, and everyone still wore flannel.  Even 2000 and early 2001 I would say are quite '90s.


Everyone still wore flannel? Not really. Maybe it was more common than today but far from everybody was wearing it in 1999. The main reason I consider 1999 as '90s has to do with it being part of the Clinton era still and also it was about the best time for the economy

A lot of decadeologists have said they don't think is truly '90s.  

While 1999 is without a doubt different, I still think it's '90s.  1997 and 1998 had a lot of the same stuff 1999 had.  It was before the Reality TV explosion of fall of 2000, Clinton was still President, the economy was great, dial-up was still the norm, and everyone still wore flannel.  Even 2000 and early 2001 I would say are quite '90s.


I didn't see anyone wear flannel by this time. It was definitely out by maybe 3 years.

I didn't see anyone wear flannel by this time. It was definitely out by maybe 3 years.


Yeah I agree, flannel was out by 1999 big time.

My belief is that there were far too many similarites in 1999 that there were with the early portion of the '00s (2000-2003) hence, why I believe 1999 is the beginning of the '00s. 

1999 seemed too different from 1998, there was a noticeable transition there, and 1999 seemed to stick around for 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, etc...

So you could look at it 2 different ways, either the '00s began in 1999, or the '00s didn't begin until 2004 (Meaning that you all would count 1999-2003 as the '90s)

Honestly, I don't see that, the Pop-Culture and music from 1999 was far too similar with the early '00s than it was with 1998

Everyone still wore flannel? Not really. Maybe it was more common than today but far from everybody was wearing it in 1999. The main reason I consider 1999 as '90s has to do with it being part of the Clinton era still and also it was about the best time for the economy


But hardly.  Clinton was Impeached in 1998.  Which could also be a sign of the end of the '90s (1998)

My belief is that there were far too many similarites in 1999 that there were with the early portion of the '00s (2000-2003) hence, why I believe 1999 is the beginning of the '00s. 

1999 seemed too different from 1998, there was a noticeable transition there, and 1999 seemed to stick around for 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, etc...

So you could look at it 2 different ways, either the '00s began in 1999, or the '00s didn't begin until 2004 (Meaning that you all would count 1999-2003 as the '90s)

Honestly, I don't see that, the Pop-Culture and music from 1999 was far too similar with the early '00s than it was with 1998


1999 and 2002 are quite different really, and especially 1999 and 2003. 2003 is more of a mid '00s year as I've said before. The '00s began when the millennium pop era ended around 2001 or so.

But hardly.  Clinton was Impeached in 1998.  Which could also be a sign of the end of the '90s (1998)


So he was acquitted easily and was president for another 2 years.

But hardly.  Clinton was Impeached in 1998.  Which could also be a sign of the end of the '90s (1998)


The whole Clinton ordeal was such a '90s "fairy tale" though.

I'm not having this argument again, the '90s are 1990-1999, not worth it arguing over the feel or whatever.

1999 and 2002 are quite different really, and especially 1999 and 2003. 2003 is more of a mid '00s year as I've said before. The '00s began when the millennium pop era ended around 2001 or so.


Yeah, even 2001 and 1999 were so different I don't think that 1999 can be counted as the '00s, except technologically. 1999 was full of pop, college pop-rock, house-influenced dance music. 2001 was full of early glam rap and R&B, and stuff like Jennifer Lopez. Really, house-influenced dance music had sort of a hold until 2000 in terms of influence.

'90s Things in 1999:
-Nu metal (I think it's both a '90s and '00s thing, but bands like Korn have more of a grunge-style '90s attitude.)
-The fashion.
-Clinton.
-The economy.
-Most music, like the teen pop and dance music.
-TV (no reality TV, still dominated by sitcoms and whimsical dramas like Ally McBeal)
-General "attitudes" and ways of "thinking."
-The goth and skater styles.
-Pop-punk pre-emo.
-Dial-up.
-Y2K and the alien/angel/supernatural obsession.

'00s Things in 1999:
-Jennifer Lopez (actually, her early stuff was more like a sexed-up version of earlier '90s house-y dance music...she later became '00s with the raps and all)
-Eminem (quite early '00s)
-The hipster music (stuff like Bright Eyes and Death Cab for Cutie was around, but very underground, around then.)
-DVDs, cellphones, and digital cameras.
-Some movies, such American Pie and The Matrix.

Overall, it's a very late version of the '90s. Even early 2001 was sort of still the '90s.

How many more threads like this have to be made, seriously?  ::)


Yeah they're completely sh1t aren't they   >:(

Yeah, even 2001 and 1999 were so different I don't think that 1999 can be counted as the '00s, except technologically. 1999 was full of pop, college pop-rock, house-influenced dance music. 2001 was full of early glam rap and R&B, and stuff like Jennifer Lopez. Really, house-influenced dance music had sort of a hold until 2000 in terms of influence.

'90s Things in 1999:
-Nu metal (I think it's both a '90s and '00s thing, but bands like Korn have more of a grunge-style '90s attitude.)
-The fashion.
-Clinton.
-The economy.
-Most music, like the teen pop and dance music.
-TV (no reality TV, still dominated by sitcoms and whimsical dramas like Ally McBeal)
-General "attitudes" and ways of "thinking."
-The goth and skater styles.
-Pop-punk pre-emo.
-Dial-up.
-Y2K and the alien/angel/supernatural obsession.

'00s Things in 1999:
-Jennifer Lopez (actually, her early stuff was more like a sexed-up version of earlier '90s house-y dance music...she later became '00s with the raps and all)
-Eminem (quite early '00s)
-The hipster music (stuff like Bright Eyes and Death Cab for Cutie was around, but very underground, around then.)
-DVDs, cellphones, and digital cameras.
-Some movies, such American Pie and The Matrix.

Overall, it's a very late version of the '90s. Even early 2001 was sort of still the '90s.


I think the fashion was more '00s than '90s by 1999, I remember girls wearing the real preppie stuff by then and seeing "Delia's" catalogs all over the place (definitely '00s ish stuff). Cellphones definitely aren't an exclusive '00s thing, the other tech things though are mainly '00s. Flannel and grunge were long gone by 1999 guys, the preppie look was the thing similar (but not exactly the same as now). The music was mainly a combination of teen pop/latin pop (which kind of blend together in a way), and nu metal.

I think the fashion was more '00s than '90s by 1999, I remember girls wearing the real preppie stuff by then and seeing "Delia's" catalogs all over the place (definitely '00s ish stuff). Cellphones definitely aren't an exclusive '00s thing, the other tech things though are mainly '00s. Flannel and grunge were long gone by 1999 guys, the preppie look was the thing similar (but not exactly the same as now). The music was mainly a combination of teen pop/latin pop (which kind of blend together in a way), and nu metal.


The preppie look was pretty different, actually. It was more the beach bum thing that was in...spikey, seizer cut hair with baggy jeans or cargo shorts. Fashion overall had more of that "relaxed", '90s style look, as I remember. It didn't have that super-airbrushed, dressed-up, pretentious '00s fashion look to it. Definitely something I remember was "grunge twist", like guys who wore t-shirts and cargo shorts but had grunge haircuts.

Fashion wise, everything was "loose" in the 90's.

I REALLY do think 9/11 ended the 90s.  Total different view on the world and how unsafe and unpredictable it can really be.  Everything was so layed back before then.  2001 was also the end of BSB/NSync/Britney three some era.  Music changed DRASTICALLY by the end of 2001.  No more Millenium pop songs.

And the reason I don't think 1999 was apart of the 00's was to think of 1999 and then to think of Avril Lavigne and that whole era beginning in 2002.  Two TOTALLY different worlds in pop culture, pop music, and fashion.   

A lot of decadeologists have said they don't think is truly '90s. 

While 1999 is without a doubt different, I still think it's '90s.  1997 and 1998 had a lot of the same stuff 1999 had.  It was before the Reality TV explosion of fall of 2000, Clinton was still President, the economy was great, dial-up was still the norm, and everyone still wore flannel.  Even 2000 and early 2001 I would say are quite '90s.


Yeah, it's really impossible to argue. There are good points on both sides. I think it probably proves that the 2000s really began in the year 2000!

Yeah, it's really impossible to argue. There are good points on both sides. I think it probably proves that the 2000s really began in the year 2000!


Yeah I'm getting sick of debating it everyday, we'll never agree, except on the fact that the '00s really began on Jan. 1, 2000.

Yeah I'm getting sick of debating it everyday, we'll never agree, except on the fact that the '00s really began on Jan. 1, 2000.


Technically, isn't it supposed to be 1996 since Christ's birth was actually supposedly to be in 4 BC?  ;)

Technically, isn't it supposed to be 1996 since Christ's birth was actually supposedly to be in 4 BC?  ;)


;D

Technically, isn't it supposed to be 1996 since Christ's birth was actually supposedly to be in 4 BC?  ;)


Yes. Technically the 21st Century began at 1991 at earliest, and 1997 at latest.

Fashion wise, everything was "loose" in the 90's.

I REALLY do think 9/11 ended the 90s.  Total different view on the world and how unsafe and unpredictable it can really be.  Everything was so layed back before then.  2001 was also the end of BSB/NSync/Britney three some era.  Music changed DRASTICALLY by the end of 2001.  No more Millenium pop songs.

And the reason I don't think 1999 was apart of the 00's was to think of 1999 and then to think of Avril Lavigne and that whole era beginning in 2002.  Two TOTALLY different worlds in pop culture, pop music, and fashion.   


Good points.

Avril and alot of that 2002/03 pop (e.g. Vanessa Carlton, "Drift Away" by Uncle Cracker) is weird. From a 2002 perspective, it was pretty fresh, new and un-90s, but from today's perspective, it's almost a little 1999ish, just "updated". It's kind of different and kind of not too, if you know what I mean. Sort of how 1971-75 was and wasn't the "60s" at the same time.

Good points.

Avril and alot of that 2002/03 pop (e.g. Vanessa Carlton, "Drift Away" by Uncle Cracker) is weird. From a 2002 perspective, it was pretty fresh, new and un-90s, but from today's perspective, it's almost a little 1999ish, just "updated". It's kind of different and kind of not too, if you know what I mean. Sort of how 1971-75 was and wasn't the "60s" at the same time.


I think it probably fits in with the other typical '00s a/c ish stuff (Train, Coldplay, Dido, Sheryl Crow, Hoobastank, Daniel Powter, James Blunt, Natasha Bedingfield, Five for Fighting, etc.).

I think it probably fits in with the other typical '00s a/c ish stuff (Train, Coldplay, Dido, Sheryl Crow, Hoobastank, Daniel Powter, James Blunt, Natasha Bedingfield, Five for Fighting, etc.).


You call that A/C?  More like watered down Emo'ish A/C,  Which happens to be an '00s trend.  It's nothing like '90s a/c (Music that's actually good that adults happen to like)

You call that A/C?  More like watered down Emo'ish A/C,  Which happens to be an '00s trend.  It's nothing like '90s a/c (Music that's actually good that adults happen to like)


Yeah, all that aforementioned stuff is dull, depressing, emo-influenced A/C. A/C is nothing compared to the '90s.

You call that A/C?  More like watered down Emo'ish A/C,  Which happens to be an '00s trend.  It's nothing like '90s a/c (Music that's actually good that adults happen to like)


Natasha Bedingfield is not freaking emo, lol. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

You call that A/C?  More like watered down Emo'ish A/C,  Which happens to be an '00s trend.  It's nothing like '90s a/c (Music that's actually good that adults happen to like)


A lot of adults like today's A/C, not saying it's as good as the '90s but it does exist and has popularity.

I'm sick of everything (incorrectly) being labelled as "emo" when it's clearly not.

I'm not having this argument again, the '90s are 1990-1999, not worth it arguing over the feel or whatever.


I agree. I mean, being that it was the one "full" decade I lived and remember well, when I was living 1999, to me - all it was was the end of the '90s. I mean, of course some '90s inf;luences carried over into the '00s, but again - EVERY decade goes through that.

I'm sick of everything (incorrectly) being labelled as "emo" when it's clearly not.


Yeah, none of that stuff is really emo. Though, how glum stuff like James Blunt definitely works off the climate created by emo.

Yeah, all that aforementioned stuff is dull, depressing, emo-influenced A/C. A/C is nothing compared to the '90s.


Amen to that, Brother James!  :D

I agree. I mean, being that it was the one "full" decade I lived and remember well, when I was living 1999, to me - all it was was the end of the '90s. I mean, of course some '90s inf;luences carried over into the '00s, but again - EVERY decade goes through that.



1999 is a '90s year with some '00s influences.

1999 is a '90s year with some '00s influences.


Would you say the year 2000 is more 90s or 00s? To me it's definitely more 00s...

Would you say the year 2000 is more 90s or 00s? To me it's definitely more 00s...



It's hard to say really. To me both 1999 and 2000 are years that are both slightly '90s and slightly '00s.

It's hard to say really. To me both 1999 and 2000 are years that are both slightly '90s and slightly '00s.


Yeah, but most certainly do not subscribe to the theory that the 00s as a pop culture period began after Sept 11.

Yeah, but most certainly do not subscribe to the theory that the 00s as a pop culture period began after Sept 11.



Yeah, I dont really agree with that either. Actually there was more of a change in late 2000 than late 2001 IMO.

Yeah, I dont really agree with that either. Actually there was more of a change in late 2000 than late 2001 IMO.


Yeah, there was also a big change in pre Sept-11 2001, but it still wasn't the end of the 90s and the start of the 00s.

Yeah, there was also a big change in pre Sept-11 2001, but it still wasn't the end of the 90s and the start of the 00s.



Yeah, sometime in the early summer of 2001 there was a change.