100%                                                    x        x 
90%                                          x                              x
80%                                x                                                  x
70%
60%                        x                                                                    x
50%
40%              x
30%  x
20%
10%
0%

        1990  1991  1992  1993  1994  1995  1996  1997  1998  1999

That sounds about right, but I would have thought 1994 would be higher.

100%                                                     x         x   
90%                                           x                              x
80%                                 x                                                  x
70%
60%                        x                                                                    x
50%
40%              x
30%  x
20%
10%
0%

        1990   1991   1992   1993   1994   1995   1996   1997   1998   1999


That's kinda fun to look at, Donnie  ;D

That sounds about right, but I would have thought 1994 would be higher.


I think 1994 still had a trace of '80s (such as the fashion, lack of Internet), which is why it's 90%. But it's completely '90s too.

That's kinda fun to look at, Donnie  ;D


That's why I made it  ;D

I think 1994 still had a trace of '80s (such as the fashion, lack of Internet), which is why it's 90%. But it's completely '90s too.

You make an interesting point.

100%                                                    x        x 
90%                                          x                              x
80%                                x                                                  x
70%
60%                        x                                                                    x
50%
40%              x
30%  x
20%
10%
0%

        1990  1991  1992  1993  1994  1995  1996  1997  1998  1999


I disagree.  I happen to think 1993-1996 is 100% '90s (With 1993-1995 being the Core '90s years).  Mine would go like this



100%                                  x          x          x        x 
90%                                                                         
80%                        x                                                                x
70%                                                                                x
60%                                                                                           
50%                                                                                                      x
40%              x
30% 
20%  x
10%
0%

      1990  1991  1992  1993  1994  1995  1996  1997  1998  1999

I disagree.  I happen to think 1993-1996 is 100% '90s (With 1993-1995 being the Core '90s years).  Mine would go like this



100%                                   x          x          x         x   
90%                                                                         
80%                         x                                                                 x
70%                                                                                 x
60%                                                                                           
50%                                                                                                       x
40%              x
30% 
20%   x
10%
0%

       1990   1991   1992   1993   1994   1995   1996   1997   1998   1999


That could be about right.

Why don't you register, WalkerP20? Then you can garner up a good post count!

IMO, 1996 started the sort of late '90s things, though it was totally '90s. The Spice Girls came out that year, the "Macarena" (which is a bubblegum, late '90s sort of thing) came out, all these shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer came out, and Belle and Sebastian released their first album.

IMO, 1996 started the sort of late '90s things, though it was totally '90s. The Spice Girls came out that year, the "Macarena" (which is a bubblegum, late '90s sort of thing) came out, all these shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer came out, and Belle and Sebastian released their first album.


In North America, the Spice Girls didn't make their debut until January 1997 when "Wannabe" first hit the Charts, and "Buffy" didn't debut until March 1997

In North America, the Spice Girls didn't make their debut until January 1997 when "Wannabe" first hit the Charts, and "Buffy" didn't debut until March 1997


It's still part of the 1996-1997 school year, though.

It's still part of the 1996-1997 school year, though.


I think late '90s in Europe and Japan began in 1996, and late '90s in the US and Canada in 1997.

Didn't we already post this before? lol

That sounds about right, but I would have thought 1994 would be higher.



Yeah, I think 1994 is probably the absolute peak of the '90s. Either that or '95

In North America, the Spice Girls didn't make their debut until January 1997 when "Wannabe" first hit the Charts, and "Buffy" didn't debut until March 1997


The Spice Girls were popular prior to January of 1997. I can vie for that.

Yeah, I think 1994 is probably the absolute peak of the '90s. Either that or '95


For a long while, I thought 1993 was the peak of the '90s. It probably was the peak of the grunge/coffeehouse "main" '90s, but the overall '90s peak was '94 now that I think about it. I think that's the first year some of the "1997ish" stuff could've come out and been just as well received or practically as well (i.e. South Park, Spice Girls, Jerry Springer Show).

It just sort of began a more "easygoing" atmosphere in that sense if you know what I mean.

1993 the peak of the 90s? It was probably the peak of the 90s you 'wanted' to remember, if you know what I mean. I'd actually say the peak of the 90s is where it should be - 1995 - as 1994 still had some 80s fashion, decor, slang.etc. 1994 is probably 80% 90s.

My estimation would go like this:

1988: 2%
1989: 7%
1990: 22%
1991: 40%
1992: 57%
1993: 68%
1994: 80%
1995: 88%
1996: 86%
1997: 82%
1998: 71%
1999: 45%
2000: 30%
2001: 12%
2002: 8%

For a long while, I thought 1993 was the peak of the '90s. It probably was the peak of the grunge/coffeehouse "main" '90s, but the overall '90s peak was '94 now that I think about it. I think that's the first year some of the "1997ish" stuff could've come out and been just as well received or practically as well (i.e. South Park, Spice Girls, Jerry Springer Show).

It just sort of began a more "easygoing" atmosphere in that sense if you know what I mean.



I totally agree Marty ;). I consider 1994 to be the absolute peak of the '90s over 1993 or 1995 because there was still plenty of early '90s stuff around but there was also a few mid and even some late '90s stuff around.

I totally agree Marty ;). I consider 1994 to be the absolute peak of the '90s over 1993 or 1995 because there was still plenty of early '90s stuff around but there was also a few mid and even last '90s stuff around.

You're right. The early and mid '90s sorta overlap in 1994. But I'm not so sure about the late '90s.

1993 the peak of the 90s? It was probably the peak of the 90s you 'wanted' to remember, if you know what I mean. I'd actually say the peak of the 90s is where it should be - 1995 - as 1994 still had some 80s fashion, decor, slang.etc. 1994 is probably 80% 90s.

My estimation would go like this:

1988: 2%
1989: 7%
1990: 22%
1991: 40%
1992: 57%
1993: 68%
1994: 80%
1995: 88%
1996: 86%
1997: 82%
1998: 71%
1999: 45%
2000: 30%
2001: 12%
2002: 8%


I competely agree.

1993 the peak of the 90s? It was probably the peak of the 90s you 'wanted' to remember, if you know what I mean. I'd actually say the peak of the 90s is where it should be - 1995 - as 1994 still had some 80s fashion, decor, slang.etc. 1994 is probably 80% 90s.

My estimation would go like this:

1988: 2%
1989: 7%
1990: 22%
1991: 40%
1992: 57%
1993: 68%
1994: 80%
1995: 88%
1996: 86%
1997: 82%
1998: 71%
1999: 45%
2000: 30%
2001: 12%
2002: 8%


Being someone born in 1982 and experiencing the '90s from a great view, this is pretty much how I see it

1990: 23%
1991: 49%
1992: 66%
1993: 94%
1994: 100%
1995: 100%
1996: 98%
1997: 80%
1998: 87%
1999: 55%

There was a big dropoff from 1998 to 1999.  Things started changing dramatically in Late 1998 going into 1999.  I felt as if 1993-1996 were the Most '90s, and then 1997 took a complete U Turn and was a throwback to the '80s (Alot like 1985).  And then 1998 got us back on track with the '90s and felt like a mixture between 1993 and 1996, making it a definite '90s year.  Then by the beginning of 1999, things started changing and started the beginning of the '00s

Being someone born in 1982 and experiencing the '90s from a great view, this is pretty much how I see it

1990: 23%
1991: 49%
1992: 66%
1993: 94%
1994: 100%
1995: 100%
1996: 98%
1997: 80%
1998: 87%
1999: 55%

There was a big dropoff from 1998 to 1999.  Things started changing dramatically in Late 1998 going into 1999.  I felt as if 1993-1996 were the Most '90s, and then 1997 took a complete U Turn and was a throwback to the '80s (Alot like 1985).  And then 1998 got us back on track with the '90s and felt like a mixture between 1993 and 1996, making it a definite '90s year.  Then by the beginning of 1999, things started changing and started the beginning of the '00s


Would you say the '90s spanned from about September of 1991 to the 9/11 attacks?

Would you say the '90s spanned from about September of 1991 to the 9/11 attacks?


Not really, I'm a believer that the '90s ended around Mid 1999.  But I do agree however that the '90s began around September 1991 when Nirvana and the other Grunge groups hit the scene.

I don't think it's fair to define the '00s based just on the 9/11 attacks and thinking that that's when the '00s began (I mean, it's not like we were sitting back wondering when some huge earth shattering thing would happen so that we could begin the '00s, I believe it had already begun 2 years earlier with a smooth transition that kinda went un-noticeable)

Not really, I'm a believer that the '90s ended around Mid 1999.  But I do agree however that the '90s began around September 1991 when Nirvana and the other Grunge groups hit the scene.

I don't think it's fair to define the '00s based just on the 9/11 attacks and thinking that that's when the '00s began (I mean, it's not like we were sitting back wondering when some huge earth shattering thing would happen so that we could begin the '00s, I believe it had already begun 2 years earlier with a smooth transition that kinda went un-noticeable)


I think pop culturally the '00s began around Fall of 1999, but in a socioeconomic sense the '90s extended up to the 9/11 attacks, although even by Spring 2000 the economy started sucking, so you can make a case that the '00s began around there.

Here is what I think of the 90sness of each year of the decade. (P.S. I'm too lazy to make a bar chart)
1990 - 20%
1991 - 45%
1992 - 75%
1993 - 95%
1994 - 100%
1995 - 100%
1996 - 100%
1997 - 90%
1998 - 75%
1999 - 55%

The 90s ended in May 2006 when Malcolm in the Middle, the center of the universe and all that we hold near and dear to us, ended.

My estimates

1990: 25%?
1991: 45%
1992: 70%
1993: 85%
1994: 95%
1995: 100%
1996: 100%?
1997: 88-95%?
1998: 80-88%?
1999: 60-70%?

? - debatable

The '90s-ness of each '90s year:

1990 - 100% (When MTV was only about the music)
1991 - 98% (The year when Terminator 2: Judgement Day came out)
1992 - 80% (The last year teenagers wore leather medallions and enjoyed cheesy rap music)
1993 - 75% (Seinfeld was extremely popular in this year)
1994 - 66% (The year Kurt Cobain died)
1995 - 55% (The year when Patrick Swayze took on the role of a drag queen in "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything)
1996 - 45% (The last time it was acceptable to wear fanny packs)
1997 - 30% (The year Married with Children went off the air)
1998 - 22% (Murphy Brown was cancelled in this year)
1999 - 0% (The '90s were over)

1990 - 45%
1991 - 60%
1992 - 70%
1993 - 85%
1994 - 98%
1995 - 100%
1996 - 90%
1997 - 80%
1998 - 70%
1999 - 50%

1990 = 25%
1991 = 40%
1992 = 50%
1993 = 95%
1994 = 100%
1995 = 100%
1996 = 100%
1997 = 95%
1998 = 85%
1999 = 50%

My estimation is this:

http://i.imgur.com/90ixniZ.png

1990: 20%
1991: 35%
1992: 50%
1993: 70%
1994: 100%
1995: 100%
1996: 100%
1997: 90%
1998: 75%
1999: 50%

This is the most Donnie thread ever.



Yeah, I think 1994 is probably the absolute peak of the '90s. Either that or '95


I posted this the day before I got DSL. My last post of the "dial-up" era.

I posted this the day before I got DSL. My last post of the "dial-up" era.


You still had dial-up until 2006? Man, that seemed really slow to post here back then.

1994 to 1996- AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, too much 90's!!!

You still had dial-up until 2006? Man, that seemed really slow to post here back then.


Yep. I finally got DSL on June 15, 2006. And, yeah, this website loaded slow as hell with dial-up. >:(

Yep. I finally got DSL on June 15, 2006. And, yeah, this website loaded slow as hell with dial-up. >:(


Lots of websites by the mid 2000s felt like they needed either DSL or broadband in order to load properly. With dial-up, I'm surprised you had an account before you had DSL.

1990- 45% (last full year of the USSR, house now more popular than freestyle in dance music, hip-hop now fully mainstream, Ford Explorer goes on sale)
1991- 65% (last year before Clinton was widely known, 16-bit video game era now in full swing)
1992- 85% (many classic '80s TV shows cancelled, first full year of grunge mainstream, CDs more popular than cassettes)
1993- 95% (Big hair dies, MTV gets its first website, CD-ROM revolutionizes computer gaming, led by Myst and Doom)
1994- 100% (peak of Disney Renaissance, Power Rangers mania, and grunge, gangsta rap, Eurodance huge, Friends premieres, Netscape launches, Starbucks expands to the East Coast)
1995- 100% (The Internet now a household name, 3D gaming takes off, Goosebumps TV series premieres, Clueless, cars become considerably rounder around this time, end of Full House, classic-era Are You Afraid of the Dark, strongest year of the decade for rock music)
1996- 95%
1997- 75%
1998- 55% (Transition year from core '90s to Millenial transition. But the last few months bring about Pokemon, Britney Spears, the premiere of the first popular sitcom starring LGBTs (Will & Grace), and cellphones are now mainstream with adults as the payphone's decline begins.
1999- 25% (Dreamcast launches next generation of gaming, The Sopranos launches, first Millennial generation high school graduating class, synthetic fashion popular, lots of graphic design/signage looks very sleek, peak of the teen pop wave, Internet saturation. Still, this is pre-9/11, DVD and HD in its infancy, the absolute peak of CD sales, and the Disney Renaissance ends)

My estimation is this:

http://i.imgur.com/90ixniZ.png


Looks decent, although I would say that 1992 and 1993 were as 90s as 1998 and 1997, respectively; 1999 50% 90s.

Totally agree about 1994 and 1995 being the only "pure" 90s years.

Looks decent, although I would say that 1992 and 1993 were as 90s as 1998 and 1997, respectively; 1999 50% 90s.

Totally agree about 1994 and 1995 being the only "pure" 90s years.

1992 still had George H.W. Bush in office and the late '80s were still in pop culture so that's why I put it at 50%.

1993 is the same percentage as 1997 (70%). Also, 1998 is at 65% (just 5% less than 1993), so it's basically equal to '93.

1999 - 45% and 50% are basically the same.

1992 still had George H.W. Bush in office and the late '80s were still in pop culture so that's why I put it at 50%.

1993 is the same percentage as 1997 (70%). Also, 1998 is at 65% (just 5% less than 1993), so it's basically equal to '93.

1999 - 45% and 50% are basically the same.


1992: Post-Soviet Union, post-early 90s recession, first full year of grunge music in the mainstream, Clinton elected into office, visually looked more early 90s than late 80s, etc.

Really, 1992 was the quintessential early 90s year in that it had vestiges of the late 80s, but the culture had shifted way too much for it to be considered part of the "80s 90s."

1992: Post-Soviet Union, post-early 90s recession, first full year of grunge music in the mainstream, Clinton elected into office, visually looked more early 90s than late 80s, etc.

Really, 1992 was the quintessential early 90s year in that it had vestiges of the late 80s, but the culture had shifted way too much for it to be considered part of the "80s 90s."

Yes, all of that is why 1992 is at 50%. BTW, Clinton was elected in late 1992 but he wasn't inaugurated until early 1993. Bush 41 was still President from November 3, 1992 (Election Day) until January 20, 1993 (Inauguration Day 1993).

Yes, all of that is why 1992 is at 50%. BTW, Clinton was elected in late 1992 but he wasn't inaugurated until early 1993. Bush 41 was still President from November 3, 1992 (Election Day) until January 20, 1993 (Inauguration Day 1993).


So basically HW alone accounts for nearly 50%? Because I'm not seeing what "80s pop culture" you're referring to.

So basically HW alone accounts for nearly 50%? Because I'm not seeing what "80s pop culture" you're referring to.

Neon clothes, perms, New Jack Swing, etc.

So basically HW alone accounts for nearly 50%? Because I'm not seeing what "80s pop culture" you're referring to.


Big hair and 80s clothes were still mainstream and the music charts in 1992 were still littered with 80s-leftover stuff.

Neon clothes, perms, New Jack Swing, etc.


New jack swing is like the quintessential sound of 1990s popular music. Most people only refer to stuff from the late 80s and early 90s as new jack swing, but actually, it was still the primary foundation for all sorts of music in the mid and late 90s, plus the beginning of the 2000s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYSArdS0uSg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEb2CecR11I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SGmxbVkUcU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWtLf4-WWs

Not so different from "Humpin' Around," are they? They simply have more modern instrumentation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWfYF-XwugY

Also, 1992 fashion was actually much more 90s than it was 80s. By the start of the year, everybody knew "Smells Like Teen Spirit," and things like mullets, neon clothing, and perms were becoming much more passé. "Permed" hair was still sort of a thing in the early-mid-1990s, but it took on different variations than the giganto-hair look people associate with the late 80s.

New jack swing is like the quintessential sound of 1990s popular music. Most people only refer to stuff from the late 80s and early 90s as new jack swing, but actually, it was still the primary foundation for all sorts of music in the mid and late 90s, plus the beginning of the 2000s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYSArdS0uSg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEb2CecR11I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SGmxbVkUcU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWtLf4-WWs

Not so different from "Humpin' Around," are they? They simply have more modern instrumentation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWfYF-XwugY

Also, 1992 fashion was actually much more 90s than it was 80s. By the start of the year, everybody knew "Smells Like Teen Spirit," and things like mullets, neon clothing, and perms were becoming much more passé. "Permed" hair was still sort of a thing in the early-mid-1990s, but it took on different variations than the giganto-hair look people associate with the late 80s.

Those songs are mostly different from the Bobby Brown's "Humpin' Around". Also, new jack swing from the late '80s and early '90s sounded mostly different from the New Jack Swing after 1993.

Also, permed hair is still permed hair and in 1992 it was still mostly the same as the late '80s (especially 1988 and 1989).

Neon clothes were not "passé" in 1992, that can be said when 1993 came around.

As a point of reference, just look at Lethal Weapon 2 which came out in 1989 and Lethal Weapon 3 which came out in 1992 and tell me that the fashion was vastly different and 1992 still didn't have a lingering late '80s feel. C'mon....I'm not saying that 1992 had the '80s feel that 1990 had but it was still definitely there even with grunge. Grunge style wouldn't become more common until 1993. Also, I put 1992 at 50% which I think is very adequate, 1993 was truly the first '90s year and even it had a few late '80s influences in it.

Those songs are mostly different from the Bobby Brown's "Humpin' Around". Also, new jack swing from the late '80s and early '90s sounded mostly different from the New Jack Swing after 1993.

That transition was more in 1990. Stuff from the late 80s, i.e. "Every Little Step" and "Tender Lover" mostly still had that gated drum sound, but by the early 90s, it was softened up a bit, making it more identifiably 90s. I can't really imagine "Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg," "Humpin' Around," or "I Wanna Sex You Up" being made in the 80s. The songs I listed of course aren't going to sound totally the same as early 90s new jack swing, but they still have beats that qualify, by technical definition, as new jack swing. Y2K teen pop new jack swing is much glossier and in-your-face than early 90s new jack swing, but they're still essentially the same style of music.

Also, permed hair is still permed hair and in 1992 it was still mostly the same as the late '80s (especially 1988 and 1989).

It wasn't all permed hair though. Many women had straightened hair with bangs. Here's a snapshot from Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie from 1992:

http://www.midniteticket.com/sites/default/files/buffy-1992-fashion-1.JPG

Neon clothes were not "passé" in 1992, that can be said when 1993 came around.

The neon look was clearly fading, though.

C'mon....I'm not saying that 1992 had the '80s feel that 1990 had but it was still definitely there even with grunge. Grunge style wouldn't become more common until 1993. Also, I put 1992 at 50% which I think is very adequate, 1993 was truly the first '90s year and even it had a few late '80s influences in it.


If you looked at my percentages, I said 1992 was only 70% 90s, meaning 30% 80s, so I don't totally disagree with you. There were still some lingering aspects of 80s, between The Cosby Show and Cheers wrapping up, to bits of the fashion, to the NES still having lots of new games being made despite the release of the SNES, to pop rock still being largely comprised of late 80s-style bands alongside the concurrent grunge revolution. Even some non-rock pop songs, like "Everything Changes," "Good for Me," and the monster hit "Baby Got Back" are more stylistically 80s than 90s, in my opinion. I just simply don't think 1992 was majority 80s, as a lot had changed since 1989.

That transition was more in 1990. Stuff from the late 80s, i.e. "Every Little Step" and "Tender Lover" mostly still had that gated drum sound, but by the early 90s, it was softened up a bit, making it more identifiably 90s. I can't really imagine "Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg," "Humpin' Around," or "I Wanna Sex You Up" being made in the 80s. The songs I listed of course aren't going to sound totally the same as early 90s new jack swing, but they still have beats that qualify, by technical definition, as new jack swing. Y2K teen pop new jack swing is much glossier and in-your-face than early 90s new jack swing, but they're still essentially the same style of music.

It wasn't all permed hair though. Many women had straightened hair with bangs. Here's a snapshot from Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie from 1992:

http://www.midniteticket.com/sites/default/files/buffy-1992-fashion-1.JPG

The neon look was clearly fading, though.

If you looked at my percentages, I said 1992 was only 70% 90s, meaning 30% 80s, so I don't totally disagree with you. There were still some lingering aspects of 80s, between The Cosby Show and Cheers wrapping up, to bits of the fashion, to the NES still having lots of new games being made despite the release of the SNES, to pop rock still being largely comprised of late 80s-style bands alongside the concurrent grunge revolution. Even some non-rock pop songs, like "Everything Changes," "Good for Me," and the monster hit "Baby Got Back" are more stylistically 80s than 90s, in my opinion. I just simply don't think 1992 was majority 80s, as a lot had changed since 1989.

I disagree with Y2K music and new jack swing as "essentially the same style of music".

Also, I never said it was all permed hair in 1992 not even in the 1980s did every woman wear permed hair ;D. I just said that 1992 was when permed hair was still popular, which is true.

I think neon faded in 1993 but whatever, that's a moot point.

Also, no way is 1992 "70% 90s" but I also never said that 1992 was majority 1980s. I put 1992 as 50% 90s and 50% 80s which is pretty accurate and fair in my opinion.

I disagree with Y2K music and new jack swing as "essentially the same style of music".

It depends on the song ("Genie in a Bottle" and "Bye Bye Bye," for example, don't count), but the songs I listed all have busy, swung, danceable, early hip hop-infused beats with strong melodies. Those are literally the elements of new jack swing, which evolved between 1987 and 2000 but was still grounded by the same basic principles. Pop songs of all sorts had vague new jack swing influences throughout the 90s, which is why I strongly disagree with the genre being a late 80s holdover.

Also, no way is 1992 "70% 90s" but I also never said that 1992 was majority 1980s. I put 1992 as 50% 90s and 50% 80s which is pretty accurate and fair in my opinion.


I personally think it's easily majority 90s. You already had all sorts of significant 90s culture firmly established that year:

* The Simpsons (in its golden age, too)
* Seinfeld
* The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
* Beverly Hills, 90210
* Nicktoons
* Home Improvement
* House music
* The USSR being gone and capitalist reconstruction being the primary focus of international politics
* Nirvana
* CD's being the most popular music format
* 16-bit wars in gaming
* Disney Renaissance
* Balladeers like Celine Dion, Celine Dion, and Boyz II Men dominating the Hot 100
* Hair metal still producing relevant hit singles but faltering against grunge in album sales
* Curtain tops and bowl cuts
* Color Me Badd

It depends on the song ("Genie in a Bottle" and "Bye Bye Bye," for example, don't count), but the songs I listed all have busy, swung, danceable, early hip hop-infused beats with strong melodies. Those are literally the elements of new jack swing, which evolved between 1987 and 2000 but was still grounded by the same basic principles. Pop songs of all sorts had vague new jack swing influences throughout the 90s, which is why I strongly disagree with the genre being a late 80s holdover.

I personally think it's easily majority 90s. You already had all sorts of significant 90s culture firmly established that year:

* The Simpsons (in its golden age, too)
* Seinfeld
* The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
* Beverly Hills, 90210
* Nicktoons
* Home Improvement
* House music
* The USSR being gone and capitalist reconstruction being the primary focus of international politics
* Nirvana
* CD's being the most popular music format
* 16-bit wars in gaming
* Disney Renaissance
* Balladeers like Celine Dion, Celine Dion, and Boyz II Men dominating the Hot 100
* Hair metal still producing relevant hit singles but faltering against grunge in album sales
* Curtain tops and bowl cuts
* Color Me Badd

New Jack Swing is definitely a late 80s holdover, no doubt about it. No way is *NSYNC similar to Positive K for example.

1. The Disney Renaissance started in 1989 and so it started in the late '80s.
2. Color Me Badd was new jack swing and they had the late '80s vibe in 1992 (not after though).
3. Bowl cuts were around longer than the '90s.
4. Boyz II Men did take off in '92 but R&B barely changed from the late '80s and most of the '90s. Also, they were more dominant in 1994 and 1995.
5. 16 bit era started in 1989 with the SEGA Genesis.
6. Nirvana reached their peak in 1993 but I did say that 1992 was 50% '90s remember that.
7. The early episodes of those Nicktoons definitely had a late '80s flare.
8. "Vogue" by Madonna in 1990 made house music popular in the US and would you say that 1990 is mostly 90s year?
9. The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air from 1990-1992/1993 definitely was still heavily influenced by the late '80s (1989 in particular)
10. Home Improvement is one of the reason 1992 is 50% '90s in my opinion but the show did run until 1999.
11. Beverley Hills 90210 started in 1990 and definitely early on had the late '80s vibe just look at the fashion in the first couple of years/seasons versus the rest. Anyways, the show lasted until 2000. Would you say 1992 and 2000 were very similar?
12. The Simpsons started in December 1989 and anyways...The Simpsons is a cartoon.
13. Seinfeld started in 1989, just like Home Improvement and Beverly Hills 90210...the show evolved as the 1990s went on but early on it definitely had the late '80s vibe.
14. Celine Dion did NOT dominate the charts in 1992. She was only #28 ("If You Asked Me To") and #64 ("Beauty and the Beast" with Peabo Bryson...watch the music video for the song and tell me that it isn't very late '80s)
15. I will give you the CD point.
16. I will obviously give you the USSR point.

1996 was pretty 90's.

1996 was pretty 90's.

I agree. I put 1996 as "95% '90s". The end of 1996 (September to December 1996) is when the core '90s ended.

1993-1998 were the most 90s of all from what I remember.

1990-1992 and 1999 were the most unlike the 90s. 1999 was basically the 2000s.

I agree. I put 1996 as "95% '90s". The end of 1996 (September to December 1996) is when the core '90s ended.


1994 to 1996 seems retro to me now. Makes sense, I'm approaching 30.  :\'(

1993-1998 were the most 90s of all from what I remember.

1990-1992 and 1999 were the most unlike the 90s. 1999 was basically the 2000s.

Late 1993 until 1996 was the core '90s in my opinion. 1997 and 1998 were the basic/regular late '90s but the core '90s had already ended.

I agree with the part I bolded.

1994 to 1996 seems retro to me now. Makes sense, I'm approaching 30.  :\'(

You was born in 1988 right?

You was born in 1988 right?


Yes.  :D

New Jack Swing is definitely a late 80s holdover, no doubt about it. No way is *NSYNC similar to Positive K for example.

I'm not convinced if you don't give me specific examples. The type of instrumentation used in new jack swing changed tremendously between the late 80s and early 90s, even though it was also different during the Y2K era compared to the early 90s.

Late 80s new jack swing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReI6gvzVP0Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Ilu12WHlE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAlanHLAKTg

Early 90s new jack swing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN25cGQUPRI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PccRs1HR7VI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Nlajas-7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gHq1s6G-c

Huge difference as far as the production goes. The 1980s in general were all about loud, gated drums and razor-sharp synths. The early 90s had bassier, more compressed beats and smoother backup synths. Regardless of the instrumental differences compared to Y2K era teen pop songs like "Stronger" and "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)", the songs I listed are much closer to the type of stuff still being produced in the mid-1990s than they are to the highly primitive new jack swing from the late 80s. The following songs are from 1994-1996:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1McitdCJA1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hiUuL5uTKc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0my1krqfPE0

1. The Disney Renaissance started in 1989 and so it started in the late '80s.

How the hell does that make Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin more 80s than 90s, though??? The Renaissance started at the end of the 1980s and lasted until the end of the 1990s. Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin certainly aren't part of the same era that brought us The Black Cauldron and The Great Mouse Detective. It doesn't matter which decade a trend started in, it matters more which decade it was relevant for the longest amount of time during, as well as the one it made the greatest impact.

2. Color Me Badd was new jack swing and they had the late '80s vibe in 1992 (not after though).

I already mentioned how Color Me Badd's brand of new jack swing is more evolved from late 80s stuff. By the time Color Me Badd was dominating the airwaves, "You Got It (The Right Stuff)" and "Hangin' Tough" sounded pretty old.

3. Bowl cuts were around longer than the '90s.

They were still fairly popular in the early 2000s, but excluding the 1960s (depending on whether or not you count the British Invasion look), they were primarily a 90s trend. They weren't at all common in the 80s. Even in 1991's T2: Judgment Day, John Connor has a very 90s hairstyle that still looked current in the year the film was set (1995).

4. Boyz II Men did take off in '92 but R&B barely changed from the late '80s and most of the '90s. Also, they were more dominant in 1994 and 1995.

That's not true at all. "End of the Road" was the #1 song for several consecutive weeks in 1992, directly rivaling "I'll Make Love to You" and "On Bended Knee." Besides that, they also had "Motownphilly," "It's So Hard to Say Goodbye," and "In the Still of the Night" in the early 90s. How was r&b no different in the early 90s compared to the late 80s? You're just forcing your argument for the sake of categorizing the early 90s as still the 80s when clearly that sub-era had enough to its own identity that it doesn't need to be classified with a different decade.

5. 16 bit era started in 1989 with the SEGA Genesis.

Same argument as the Disney Renaissance. Just because it started in 1989 doesn't mean games like Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario Kart, and NBA Jam are "80s holdovers." In fact, the Genesis was hardly even relevant upon its 1989 release. From 1988 to 1990, the 8-bit NES was in its absolute commercial peak. By 1992, it was all about the SNES versus the Genesis, even with some NES games still coming out.

6. Nirvana reached their peak in 1993 but I did say that 1992 was 50% '90s remember that.

Nevermind's success was primarily confined to 1992 and the end of 1991. Both "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and its parent album peaked in January 1992. Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden began selling albums like hotcakes soon afterwards.

7. The early episodes of those Nicktoons definitely had a late '80s flare.

That's bull. They had no precedent and were not specifically toyetic like the Ninja Turtles or Real Ghostbusters were. Ren & Stimpy was super controversial when it came out because it was breaking the boundaries of what was considered sensible children's television and fit perfectly with the artistically rebellious mood of the 1990s in general.

8. "Vogue" by Madonna in 1990 made house music popular in the US and would you say that 1990 is mostly 90s year?

It's a half-and-half year, but Madonna's "Vogue" definitely constitutes for the 50% 90s half. It's more stuff like "All I Wanna Do Is Make Love To You," "Cradle of Love," "I Wanna Be Rich," and "How Can We Be Lovers" that give the year its strong 80s vibe.

9. The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air from 1990-1992/1993 definitely was still heavily influenced by the late '80s (1989 in particular)

Its run was 100% during the 1990s. It wasn't a direct ripoff of anything from the 1980s, but rather a revolutionary television show at the start of the 1990s. It's purely a 90s show by default. It doesn't matter that Will Smith first became famous in 1988, his show is still indisputably 90s.

10. Home Improvement is one of the reason 1992 is 50% '90s in my opinion but the show did run until 1999.

Point being?

11. Beverley Hills 90210 started in 1990 and definitely early on had the late '80s vibe just look at the fashion in the first couple of years/seasons versus the rest. Anyways, the show lasted until 2000. Would you say 1992 and 2000 were very similar?

A lot of the fashion was reasonably 90s, though. It wasn't like everybody looked like Madonna or Bret Michaels. Does this soundtrack cover, released in 1992, really look distinctly 80s to you?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/90210_OS.jpg

Whether or not 1992 and 2000 were very similar is beside the point, they're a whopping 8 years apart. 1992 is the same distance from 1984. However, it's still undoubtedly an early 90s year. Wherever you rate its "90s-ness," its percentage is still way higher than 1962 is 60s.

I will say, however, that on a geopolitical front, 1992 is, in fact, extremely similar to 2000 because both years were cleanly confined to the post-USSR, pre-9/11, capitalist reconstruction period synonymous with the 1990s. The two years are really that similar, but there are some commonalities, international politics being the biggest example.

12. The Simpsons started in December 1989 and anyways...The Simpsons is a cartoon.

Only one single episode of The Simpsons aired in the 1980s, and just because it's a cartoon doesn't disqualify it from pop cultural impact. Along with Seinfeld, it was frankly the single most influential television show to 1990s television. This article explains perfectly how The Simpsons was so distinct from 80s television.

13. Seinfeld started in 1989, just like Home Improvement and Beverly Hills 90210...the show evolved as the 1990s went on but early on it definitely had the late '80s vibe.

Again, Seinfeld only aired one single episode in 1989. Its run was otherwise completely confined to the 1990s. Those shows did NOT have a "late 80s vibe," that description is completely vague and is based on little more than the early 90s' chronological proximity to the late 80s versus the mid and late 90s.

14. Celine Dion did NOT dominate the charts in 1992. She was only #28 ("If You Asked Me To") and #64 ("Beauty and the Beast" with Peabo Bryson...watch the music video for the song and tell me that it isn't very late '80s)

#64? What's your source? "Beauty and the Beast" actually peaked at #9. The video could plausibly be aired in the late 80s, but it would look no less in-place in the mid or even late 90s either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxoj-tDDIU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHG2oizTlpY

Dion's hair might be straightened, but the songs themselves are hardly any different from her early 90s hits. Actually, even before 1992, Celine Dion had "Where Does My Heart Beat Now" in 1990/1991, and that song made it to #4.

Some things about 1992 were still pretty 80's. There are a lot of 90's things in 1992, I'll admit.
But you could still see some 80's was here, and there.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ngJszuuMt4s/hqdefault.jpg

Mariah Carey, March 16, 1992. I'm not sure that it counts, since it's early in 1992, so early in the year.
But Mariah looks kind of '80's' with that big hair, and makeup.

I'm not convinced if you don't give me specific examples. The type of instrumentation used in new jack swing changed tremendously between the late 80s and early 90s, even though it was also different during the Y2K era compared to the early 90s.

Late 80s new jack swing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReI6gvzVP0Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Ilu12WHlE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAlanHLAKTg

Early 90s new jack swing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN25cGQUPRI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PccRs1HR7VI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Nlajas-7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gHq1s6G-c

Huge difference as far as the production goes. The 1980s in general were all about loud, gated drums and razor-sharp synths. The early 90s had bassier, more compressed beats and smoother backup synths. Regardless of the instrumental differences compared to Y2K era teen pop songs like "Stronger" and "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)", the songs I listed are much closer to the type of stuff still being produced in the mid-1990s than they are to the highly primitive new jack swing from the late 80s. The following songs are from 1994-1996:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1McitdCJA1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hiUuL5uTKc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0my1krqfPE0

How the hell does that make Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin more 80s than 90s, though??? The Renaissance started at the end of the 1980s and lasted until the end of the 1990s. Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin certainly aren't part of the same era that brought us The Black Cauldron and The Great Mouse Detective. It doesn't matter which decade a trend started in, it matters more which decade it was relevant for the longest amount of time during, as well as the one it made the greatest impact.

I already mentioned how Color Me Badd's brand of new jack swing is more evolved from late 80s stuff. By the time Color Me Badd was dominating the airwaves, "You Got It (The Right Stuff)" and "Hangin' Tough" sounded pretty old.

They were still fairly popular in the early 2000s, but excluding the 1960s (depending on whether or not you count the British Invasion look), they were primarily a 90s trend. They weren't at all common in the 80s. Even in 1991's T2: Judgment Day, John Connor has a very 90s hairstyle that still looked current in the year the film was set (1995).

That's not true at all. "End of the Road" was the #1 song for several consecutive weeks in 1992, directly rivaling "I'll Make Love to You" and "On Bended Knee." Besides that, they also had "Motownphilly," "It's So Hard to Say Goodbye," and "In the Still of the Night" in the early 90s. How was r&b no different in the early 90s compared to the late 80s? You're just forcing your argument for the sake of categorizing the early 90s as still the 80s when clearly that sub-era had enough to its own identity that it doesn't need to be classified with a different decade.

Same argument as the Disney Renaissance. Just because it started in 1989 doesn't mean games like Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario Kart, and NBA Jam are "80s holdovers." In fact, the Genesis was hardly even relevant upon its 1989 release. From 1988 to 1990, the 8-bit NES was in its absolute commercial peak. By 1992, it was all about the SNES versus the Genesis, even with some NES games still coming out.

Nevermind's success was primarily confined to 1992 and the end of 1991. Both "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and its parent album peaked in January 1992. Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden began selling albums like hotcakes soon afterwards.

That's bull. They had no precedent and were not specifically toyetic like the Ninja Turtles or Real Ghostbusters were. Ren & Stimpy was super controversial when it came out because it was breaking the boundaries of what was considered sensible children's television and fit perfectly with the artistically rebellious mood of the 1990s in general.

It's a half-and-half year, but Madonna's "Vogue" definitely constitutes for the 50% 90s half. It's more stuff like "All I Wanna Do Is Make Love To You," "Cradle of Love," "I Wanna Be Rich," and "How Can We Be Lovers" that give the year its strong 80s vibe.

Its run was 100% during the 1990s. It wasn't a direct ripoff of anything from the 1980s, but rather a revolutionary television show at the start of the 1990s. It's purely a 90s show by default. It doesn't matter that Will Smith first became famous in 1988, his show is still indisputably 90s.

Point being?

A lot of the fashion was reasonably 90s, though. It wasn't like everybody looked like Madonna or Bret Michaels. Does this soundtrack cover, released in 1992, really look distinctly 80s to you?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/90210_OS.jpg

Only one single episode of The Simpsons aired in the 1980s, and just because it's a cartoon doesn't disqualify it from pop cultural impact. Along with Seinfeld, it was frankly the single most influential television show to 1990s television. This article explains perfectly how The Simpsons was so distinct from 80s television.

Again, Seinfeld only aired one single episode in 1989. Its run was otherwise completely confined to the 1990s. Those shows did NOT have a "late 80s vibe," that description is completely vague and is based on little more than the early 90s' chronological proximity to the late 80s versus the mid and late 90s.

#64? What's your source? "Beauty and the Beast" actually peaked at #9. The video could plausibly be aired in the late 80s, but it would look no less in-place in the mid or even late 90s either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxoj-tDDIU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHG2oizTlpY

Dion's hair might be straightened, but the songs themselves are hardly any different from her early 90s hits. Actually, even before 1992, Celine Dion had "Where Does My Heart Beat Now" in 1990/1991, and that song made it to #4.

I would refute most of your points but this is getting really tedious. 1992 was still 50% '80s 50% '90s to me. New Jack Swing from 1988-1993 was different from New Jack Swing from 1994-1996 and any other musical style after it. Whatever, you think 1992 is 70% '90s...all of this is just opinion. Also, just one thing before I'm done...people really overstate the popularity of grunge...it was just one style/trend that lasted for an extremely short time. Kurt Cobain is more popular in death than when he was living.

Some things about 1992 was still pretty 80's. There are a lot of 90's things in 1992, I'll admit.
But you could still see some 80's was here, and there.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ngJszuuMt4s/hqdefault.jpg

Mariah Carey, March 16, 1992. I'm not sure that it counts, since it's early in 1992, so early in the year.
But Mariah looks kind of '80's' with that big hair, and makeup.

I think 1992 was "50% '80s and 50% '90s". #Infinity thinks 1992 is "70% '90s and 30% '80s". In no way do I think 1992 is that 1990s but that's just my opinion.

I think 1992 was "50% '80s and 50% '90s". #Infinity thinks 1992 is "70% '90s and 30% '80s". In no way do I think 1992 is that 1990s but that's just my opinion.


I'm not involved in this.  :-X  :-X  :-X

I'm not involved in this.  :-X  :-X  :-X

But you did involve yourself in this? ;). I was done anyways.

But you did involve yourself in this? ;). I was done anyways.


Picture of Class of 1993, so pictures were probably taken around August to October 1992.

http://grandvalley.ss4.sharpschool.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_2883559/File/YearBooks/1993/0011.jpg

Picture of Class of 1993, so pictures were probably taken around August to October 1992.

http://grandvalley.ss4.sharpschool.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_2883559/File/YearBooks/1993/0011.jpg

Whoa :o, how'd you find a pic of my mom's yearbook? :o (She's the one in the 1st row, second in line).

Whoa :o, how'd you find a pic of my mom's yearbook? :o (She's the one in the 1st row, second in line).


I'm guessing you're joking? I'm so confused.  ;D  ;D

Whoa :o, how'd you find a pic of my mom's yearbook? :o (She's the one in the 1st row, second in line).


So is that a high school or college yearbook?

I would refute most of your points but this is getting really tedious. 1992 was still 50% '80s 50% '90s to me. New Jack Swing from 1988-1993 was different from New Jack Swing from 1994-1996 and any other musical style after it. Whatever, you think 1992 is 70% '90s...all of this is just opinion. Also, just one thing before I'm done...people really overstate the popularity of grunge...it was just one style/trend that lasted for an extremely short time. Kurt Cobain is more popular in death than when he was living.


You didn't give many specific examples or descriptions, you just quoted my points and stated (paraphrasing) "this thing from the early 90s still has an late 80s vibe." I'm mostly emphasizing the 90s-ness of early 90s things because that makes classification much more to the point and doesn't needlessly delve into moot points about how much of an "80s feel" something had, regardless of when it came out. There are some exceptions that are less ambiguous, like Heart's "All I Wanna Do Is Make Love to You" and The Cosby Show still being on television, but whether or not something is 80s and 90s should, first and foremost, come down to which decade it was most prominent or present.

Of course there are some aspects of 1992 that still feel distinctly 80s. However, I still have trouble understanding a lot of your reasoning, particularly your implications that things like The Simpsons, Seinfeld, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, the 16-bit wars, Beverly Hills 90210, and the like are 80s trends. They're 90s, pure and simple. They aren't borderline like Def Leppard's Adrenalize album, Sir Mix-a-Lot's "Baby Got Back" (which uses specific production techniques common in 1980s hip hop that isn't present on more 90s tracks like "Jump Around"), or Bush the Elder's presidency.

I'm guessing you're joking? I'm so confused.  ;D  ;D

You found her :o. How?


So is that a high school or college yearbook?

Really, you can't tell whether that is HS or college? ???


You didn't give many specific examples or descriptions, you just quoted my points and stated (paraphrasing) "this thing from the early 90s still has an late 80s vibe." I'm mostly emphasizing the 90s-ness of early 90s things because that makes classification much more to the point and doesn't needlessly delve into moot points about how much of an "80s feel" something had, regardless of when it came out. There are some exceptions that are less ambiguous, like Heart's "All I Wanna Do Is Make Love to You" and The Cosby Show still being on television, but whether or not something is 80s and 90s should, first and foremost, come down to which decade it was most prominent or present.

Ok....I was done. I find this very tedious. It's mostly opinions anyways.

You found her :o. How?
Really, you can't tell whether that is HS or college? ???
Ok....I was done. I find this very tedious. It's mostly opinions anyways.


You troll!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Found some information you posted.

"My birthday is July 13, 1999.

My mother's birthday is May 29, 1963."

It was in the parents thread.  ;D In the 'more than a decade' section of the website.
She would have been 29 in 1992, not 17/18. Doesn't make sense!  :(  :(  ;D  :D  :D   

You troll!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Found some information you posted.

"My birthday is July 13, 1999.

My mother's birthday is May 29, 1963."

It was in the parents thread.  ;D
She would have been 29 in 1992, not 17/18. Doesn't make sense!  :(  :(  ;D  :D  :D 

What if I was lying?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::).



OK, OK......you got me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. My mom graduated from high school in 1981.

From what I remember about 1992, it seemed half 80s. Lots of people wore frizzed out hair, shoulder pads, and neon. 1993 was far more 90s. But I have a very good memory.

Late 1993 until 1996 was the core '90s in my opinion. 1997 and 1998 were the basic/regular late '90s but the core '90s had already ended.

I agree with the part I bolded.


I think 1997 and 1998 were very 90s, just not the super extreme 90s you had of 1993 through 1996.
I don't group the entire late 90s because 1999 was so different from those years.

From what I remember about 1992, it seemed half 80s. Lots of people wore frizzed out hair, shoulder pads, and neon. 1993 was far more 90s. But I have a very good memory.

I agree with you actually. I even said that 1992 was half '80s, lol and that 1993 was the first truly '90s year even though it had a few lingering '80s influences ;D.


I think 1997 and 1998 were very 90s, just not the super extreme 90s you had of 1993 through 1996.
I don't group the entire late 90s because 1999 was so different from those years.

I wouldn't say 1997 & 1998 was "very '90s" but they were more '90s than 1990 and 1991. 1997 & 1998 still had a bit of the core '90s feel but the millennium vibe was coming in and then would explode in late 1998/1999.

Small town America was still very indistinguishable from the late 80s in 1992. This was shot in May 1992 in a high school in Utah. Could easily pass for 1987.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqBtW2DZfb4

Really, you can't tell whether that is HS or college? ???


Well, I don't know your mom. I know she was born in 1963, but it's not like people specified on what kind of yearbook it is.

Well, I don't know your mom. I know she was born in 1963, but it's not like people specified on what kind of yearbook it is.


If you're assuming it's high school, you're right.

Well, I don't know your mom. I know she was born in 1963, but it's not like people specified on what kind of yearbook it is.

No offense but you could easily tell from those photos that those people are kiddish looking...definitely high school bruv.


If you're assuming it's high school, you're right.

Those guys have kiddish faces...definitely high school.

No offense but you could easily tell from those photos that those people are kiddish looking...definitely high school bruv.


So your mom graduated high school in 1992, despite being 29? Wow. That's like the age into getting your GED (no offense to you). I thought most high schools (at least in New York City) would just say "You're on your own" by the time you're about 21.

So your mom graduated high school in 1992, despite being 29? Wow. That's like the age into getting your GED (no offense to you).

When did I say my mom graduated HS in 1992? ???. I was trolling bruv, I even stated 9 comments ago that my mom graduated HS in 1981. I was stating confusion towards you not being able to distinguish between the faces of high schoolers and college students.

When did I say my mom graduated HS in 1992? ???. I was trolling bruv, I even stated 9 comments ago that my mom graduated HS in 1981. I was stating confusion towards you not being able to distinguish between the faces of high schoolers and college students.


So your mom did graduate from high school around 1981? It's not like I actually know what your mom looks like, so how should I know that she wasn't in that yearbook?

So your mom did graduate from high school around 1981? It's not like I actually know what your mom looks like, so how should I know that she wasn't in that yearbook?

Bruv, my mom graduated from HS in 1981, period...that's it.

I was not talking about if you can tell how my mom looks but I WAS talking about you not being able to tell the DIFFERENCE between high school students and college students.

Bruv, my mom graduated from HS in 1981, period...that's it.

I was not talking about if you can tell how my mom looks but I WAS talking about you not being able to tell the DIFFERENCE between high school students and college students.


Honestly, high school and college students look the same to me. It's not like they look anywhere near different with their yearbook photos between their senior years of high school and college.

Honestly, high school and college students look the same to me. It's not like they look anywhere near different with their yearbook photos between their senior years of high school and college.

Look at that photo again, most of those people look no older than 17. Of course, there some people who retain a youthful appearance but most people look mostly different from their senior year in high school and their senior year of college.

What if I was lying?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::).



OK, OK......you got me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. My mom graduated from high school in 1981.

So she had you very late? Lol

So she had you very late? Lol

I guess yeah. She had me at 36 but she had my sister at 20 (in Nov. 1983). Theoretically, I could have been born anywhere from 1984-1995.

I guess yeah. She had me at 36 but she had my sister at 20 (in Nov. 1983). Theoretically, I could have been born anywhere from 1984-1995.

Oh I see. I could of been born 1979-89 but I was born in '90.

Oh I see. I could of been born 1979-89 but I was born in '90.

OK. When was your mom or parents born?

Mom was born in '66 and Dad was born in '58.

Mom was born in '66 and Dad was born in '58.

OK.

Look at that photo again, most of those people look no older than 17. Of course, there some people who retain a youthful appearance but most people look mostly different from their senior year in high school and their senior year of college.


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College, Class of 2007

To me, they barely look different. It could be the facial features, but they don't look different as opposed to them being 17/18.

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High School, Class of 1982

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College, Class of 2007

To me, they barely look different. It could be the facial features, but they don't look different as opposed to them being 17/18.

Why are you comparing two photos taken 25 years apart? ???

Anyways, those females in the College Class of 2017 do not look younger than 18. A lot of those High School Class of 1982 look no older than 19. Only one..."John" looks like a 55 year old man ;D.

Why are you comparing two photos taken 25 years apart? ???


Because I didn't have any other pictures to get. It's not like I could actually them instantly.


Anyways, those females in the College Class of 2017 do not look younger than 18. A lot of those High School Class of 1982 look no older than 19. Only one..."John" looks like a 55 year old man ;D.


I think I should say that people take looks in a subjective manner, including me obviously. I don't really pay attention on what they do to make themselves look older or younger, since it's not really any of my business.

Because I didn't have any other pictures to get. It's not like I could actually them instantly.

I think I should say that people take looks in a subjective manner, including me obviously. I don't really pay attention on what they do to make themselves look older or younger, since it's not really any of my business.

So why did you post pictures of random people's yearbook photos online for other strangers to see? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???.

So why did you post pictures of random people's yearbook photos online for other strangers to see? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???.


Well 90sBreath did the same thing, except he wasn't trying to prove a point. I used their yearbook photos because I couldn't find any other yearbooks to look for.

Well 90sBreath did the same thing, except he wasn't trying to prove a point. I used their yearbook photos because I couldn't find any other yearbooks to look for.

OK............¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I agree. I put 1996 as "95% '90s". The end of 1996 (September to December 1996) is when the core '90s ended.


Core 90s kid culture ended in late 1998, unless you don't consider anyone born after like 1985 to be a "core 90s kid."

I wouldn't say 1997 & 1998 was "very '90s" but they were more '90s than 1990 and 1991. 1997 & 1998 still had a bit of the core '90s feel but the millennium vibe was coming in and then would explode in late 1998/1999.


You can't be serious. Just because they were "millennium" 90s years doesn't necessarily mean that their "90s cards" should be revoked or "downgraded" in status. There's no mistaking stuff from 1997 or most of 1998 for stuff from the year 2000.

Core 90s kid culture ended in late 1998, unless you don't consider anyone born after like 1985 to be a "core 90s kid."

I said the core '90s...I didn't say core '90s kid culture.

I said the core '90s...I didn't say core '90s kid culture.

Also, some could argue that core '90s kid culture ended earlier than late 1998.

I said the core '90s...I didn't say core '90s kid culture.


I consider 1997-1998 as well as 1992-1993 "core 90s," but not quite "peak 90s" like 1994-1996.

I consider 1997-1998 as well as 1992-1993 "core 90s," but not quite "peak 90s" like 1994-1996.

In no way do I think 1992 was core '90s. Go and watch the video of a high school in 1992 a few comments back, look at the fashion and music and tell me that 1992 is "core '90s". 1993 mostly at the end is where the core '90s show up and that late until late 1996/early 1997. 1997 and 1998 wasn't core '90s but they were core late '90s.

In no way do I think 1992 was core '90s. Go and watch the video of a high school in 1992 a few comments back, look at the fashion and music and tell me that 1992 is "core '90s". 1993 mostly at the end is where the core '90s show up and that late until late 1996/early 1997. 1997 and 1998 wasn't core '90s but they were core late '90s.


So, basically, what you're saying is that the true 90s only lasted about 3 years (late 1993 to late 1996)? :facepalm:

So, basically, what you're saying is that the true 90s only lasted about 3 years (late 1993 to late 1996)? :facepalm:

Yes. Make no mistake 1997 and 1998 were mostly '90s year but they weren't core '90s. Why the facepalm, it's just an opinion? ???

Yes. Make no mistake 1997 and 1998 were mostly '90s year but they weren't core '90s. Why the facepalm, it's just an opinion? ???


Because three years is much too short of a period to constitute the "core" of a decade. You're conflating "core" and "peak."

And you just said that 1997 and 1998 weren't very 90s years, so now I'm confused. If those years were mostly 90s, then that implies core.

Because three years is much too short of a period to constitute the "core" of a decade. You're conflating "core" and "peak."

And you just said that 1997 and 1998 weren't very 90s years, so now I'm confused. If those years were mostly 90s, then that implies core.

No I said that "1997 and 1998 wasn't core '90s but they were core late '90s." Late '90s for the most part is still '90s but not the core '90s. Oh and yes, the core '90s were very short.

No I said that "1997 and 1998 wasn't core '90s but they were core late '90s." Late '90s for the most part is still '90s but not the core '90s. Oh and yes, the core '90s were very short.


You said this earlier today:


I agree with you actually. I even said that 1992 was half '80s, lol and that 1993 was the first truly '90s year even though it had a few lingering '80s influences ;D.
I wouldn't say 1997 & 1998 was "very '90s" but they were more '90s than 1990 and 1991. 1997 & 1998 still had a bit of the core '90s feel but the millennium vibe was coming in and then would explode in late 1998/1999.


Then four hours later you said this:


Yes. Make no mistake 1997 and 1998 were mostly '90s year but they weren't core '90s. Why the facepalm, it's just an opinion? ???

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College, Class of 2007

To me, they barely look different. It could be the facial features, but they don't look different as opposed to them being 17/18.


Are those your girlfriends??  ???

You said this earlier today:

Then four hours later you said this:

Mostly '90s as in still being "identifiable 90s". You can't confuse 1997 for 2000 but 1997 is distinguishable from 1994. Do you get what I mean?

Are those your girlfriends??  ???

No, he said he searched them up on Google. I don't really know why because he said that he didn't see much difference in how they look but then said why did I judge how they look. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, he said he searched them up on Google. I don't really know why because he said that he didn't see much difference in how they look but then said why did I judge how they look. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Okay.

Mostly '90s as in still being "identifiable 90s". You can't confuse 1997 for 2000 but 1997 is distinguishable from 1994. Do you get what I mean?


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It's semantics at this point. "Mostly 90s" and "not very 90s" are total contradictions, and you know it.

FYI, this is my view:

Late 1988/early 1989 to mid-late 1991 (the 90s 80s and 80s 90s)

Late 1991 to late 1993 (the early 90s)

Late 1993 to late 1996 (the mid/peak 90s) 1994-1995 being the pinnacle

Late 1996 to late 1998 (the classic, de facto late 90s)

Late 1998/early 1999 to late mid-late 2001 (Y2K, the turn of the millennium)

So "core 90s" is late 1991 to late 1998.

:facepalm:

It's semantics at this point. "Mostly 90s" and "not very 90s" are total contradictions, and you know it.

FYI, this is my view:

Late 1998/early 1989 to mid-late 1991 (the 90s 80s and 80s 90s)

Late 1991 to late 1993 (the early 90s)

Late 1993 to late 1996 (the mid/peak 90s)

Late 1996 to late 1998 (the classic, de facto late 90s)

Late 1998/early 1999 to late mid-late 2001 (the turn of the millennium)


You mean 1988?

You mean 1988?


Fixed.

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It's semantics at this point. "Mostly 90s" and "not very 90s" are total contradictions, and you know it.

FYI, this is my view:

Late 1988/early 1989 to mid-late 1991 (the 90s 80s and 80s 90s)

Late 1991 to late 1993 (the early 90s)

Late 1993 to late 1996 (the mid/peak 90s)

Late 1996 to late 1998 (the classic, de facto late 90s)

Late 1998/early 1999 to late mid-late 2001 (the turn of the millennium)

Wow, in your statement...you agree with me. Your assessment is correct.

Wow, in your statement...you agree with me. Your assessment is correct.


My definition of "core 90s" is late 1991 to late 1998; my peak is your core.

My definition of "core 90s" is late 1991 to late 1998; my peak is your core.

You think late 1991 until mid 1993 and early 1997 until late 1998 is "core '90s"........ :o :o :o :o :o. Wow.

You think late 1991 until mid 1993 and early 1997 until late 1998 is "core '90s"........ :o :o :o :o :o. Wow.


In a word, yes.

We're mostly disagreeing about semantics, as we clearly agree about the late 1993 to late 1996 period. I just think that the 90s were a very culturally diverse decade, and one must include both the early and late epochs in order to paint a clear picture.

Yes there may have been residual 80s influences through 1992/1993 and hints of the new millennium in 1997/1998, but those are definitive and "identifiable" (as you put it) 90s years.

In a word, yes.

We're mostly disagreeing about semantics, as we clearly agree about the late 1993 to late 1996 period. I just think that the 90s were a very culturally diverse decade, and one must include both the early and late epochs in order to paint a clear picture.

OK I agree that we're disagreeing about semantics but "paint a clear picture". What do you mean by that?

I don't understand why people see 1990 as more 80s than 1982. 1982 had far more classic and cutting edge 80s things.

I don't understand why people see 1990 as more 80s than 1982. 1982 had far more classic and cutting edge 80s things.

Who said that 1990 was more '80s than 1982?

Just looking at this debate, it's giving me a sense that the late 80s and early 90s are actually separate eras, and not a mixture of what some people make it out to be. Here are some videos from 1988-89 and 1992-93.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=NHTdaV27f9c

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rKweZcD9CFE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qgrjBmzWtG8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrUuYrwz8gs

Just looking at this debate, it's giving me a sense that the late 80s and early 90s are actually separate eras, and not a mixture of what some people make it out to be. Here are some videos from 1988-89 and 1992-93.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=NHTdaV27f9c

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rKweZcD9CFE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qgrjBmzWtG8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrUuYrwz8gs



Of course but they are 2 different eras that have a lot of similarities. The late '90s and early 2000s were different eras but they still had lots of similarities.

A side note, it's so interesting seeing videos of high schoolers from the late '80s and early '90s and seeing that besides the fashion and tech...life and how high school students behave are EXACTLY the same (or 99% the same). I love those videos and seeing how society was 6-10 years before my birth :).

Who said that 1990 was more '80s than 1982?


Lots of people here do.

Lots of people here do.

Well not me, lol.

Just looking at this debate, it's giving me a sense that the late 80s and early 90s are actually separate eras, and not a mixture of what some people make it out to be. Here are some videos from 1988-89 and 1992-93.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=NHTdaV27f9c

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rKweZcD9CFE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qgrjBmzWtG8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrUuYrwz8gs



The 1992 class video seems very late 80s/early 90s to me. Pure cheese.

The 1993 one seems more in-line with the "classic 90s" (1993-1996) as we know them.

The 1992 class video seems very late 80s/early 90s to me. Pure cheese.

The 1993 one seems more in-line with the "classic 90s" (1993-1996) as we know them.

Those are the EXACT same thoughts that I have.

There's still no denying that 1991 and 1992 are still very 90's years even if the 80's cheese didn't totally get eaten away yet. :P

Hey Reign, are there any 1992 films you've seen that have that "80s" look? I don't get a very 80s vibe at all with Home Alone 2, Basic Instinct, 3 Ninjas, etc.

Hey Reign, are there any 1992 films you've seen that have that "80s" look? I don't get a very 80s vibe at all with Home Alone 2, Basic Instinct, 3 Ninjas, etc.

I get a very late '80s feel from Home Alone 2.

However, there is Lethal Weapon 3, Patriot Games, Wayne's World, Batman Returns, etc.

Hey Reign, are there any 1992 films you've seen that have that "80s" look? I don't get a very 80s vibe at all with Home Alone 2, Basic Instinct, 3 Ninjas, etc.


Those movies all feel vaguely close to the 80s IMO.

This is basically what most action movies in 1992 looked like. Pretty '80s looking still.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynBoxx_W_g

Here's some other trailers from popular 1992 movies. A lingering '80s aesthetic isn't that hard to detect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6N426QCQ-Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtP2YXQZrSM

I'm sure a lot of it has to do with psychology/confirmation bias. Your brain is programmed to think that 1992 was visually 80s-like, so you see an 80s aesthetic.

I dunno, personally I can spot the difference between 1999 and 2002 fairly easily. Similar aesthetic, sure, but a trained eye can pick up on the nuances.

You guys really think these two look the same or very similar?

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I'm sure a lot of it has to do with psychology/confirmation bias. Your brain is programmed to think that 1992 was visually 80s-like, so you see an 80s aesthetic.

I dunno, personally I can spot the difference between 1999 and 2002 fairly easily. Similar aesthetic, sure, but a trained eye can pick up on the nuances.

I don't know why so many people on this thread are so adamant that 1992 was the first '90s year culturally. 1992 was still heavily influenced by the late '80s of course it wasn't 90-100% 80s like 1990 but it was still fairly late '80s. Just look at the difference in music and fashion from the high school students in 1992 vs 1993. 1993 is the first '90s year and even that had a few late '80s influences.


You guys really think these two look the same or very similar?

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They do look similar.

Are those your girlfriends??  ???


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No, I wish.

I don't know why so many people on this thread are so adamant that 1992 was the first '90s year culturally. 1992 was still heavily influenced by the late '80s of course it wasn't 90-100% 80s like 1990 but it was still fairly late '80s. Just look at the difference in music and fashion from the high school students in 1992 vs 1993. 1993 is the first '90s year and even that had a few late '80s influences.

I view 1989-1992 like I view 1999-2002 in that 1989/1990 and 1999/2000 were very similar years, 1991/2001 a true mixture (say 40/60, 45/55), and 1992/2002 definitively 90s and 00s, respectively, even with the lingering influences of the previous decade; 1993/2003 were when the last 80s and 90s influences died out, respectively, and were nearly 100% of their new cultural decades.

They do look similar.

See I just don't think so; 1992 looked exactly like how the early 90s "should've" looked. They appear neither very similar nor quite different.

1991 is the true half-and-half 80s/90s year, especially considering the early part of the year had a residual 1989/1990 aesthetic. See Silence of the Lambs and Nothing but Trouble. The second half looks more early 90s with Terminator 2, Cape Fear, and Father of the Bride.

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And another obscure Demi Moore film from 1991:

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Just my personal opinion, but 1991 was still pretty 80's to me.  :D

I view 1989-1992 like I view 1999-2002 in that 1989/1990 and 1999/2000 were very similar years, 1991/2001 a true mixture (say 40/60, 45/55), and 1992/2002 definitively 90s and 00s, respectively, even with the lingering influences of the previous decade; 1993/2003 were when the last 80s and 90s influences died out, respectively, and were nearly 100% of their new cultural decades.

See I just don't think so; 1992 looked exactly like how the early 90s "should've" looked. They appear neither very similar nor quite different.

1991 is the true half-and-half 80s/90s year, especially considering the early part of the year had a residual 1989/1990 aesthetic. See Silence of the Lambs and Nothing but Trouble. The second half looks more early 90s with Terminator 2, Cape Fear, and Father of the Bride.

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And another obscure Demi Moore film from 1991:

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Yes, you don't think so but I do. Simple, we're going to keep going in circles. I think 1992 is half '80s and half '90s and you think 1992 is mostly '90s (whatever)...let's leave it at that.

Just my personal opinion, but 1991 was still pretty 80's to me.  :D


In Canada, 1991 was when the economic depression got fully underway, and everything was 7% more expensive thanks to the new sales tax. The '80s were history. ;D

In Canada, 1991 was when the economic depression got fully underway, and everything was 7% more expensive thanks to the new sales tax. The '80s were history. ;D


In America, there was a small recession in 1990 and early 1991. Overall, there was The Great Bull Market from 1987 to 2000.

In America, there was a small recession in 1990 and early 1991. Overall, there was The Great Bull Market from 1987 to 2000.


I saw this video from 1990 yesterday with our current PM in it. It looked '90s to me.  :o But maybe it's a dress code.

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I saw this video from 1990 yesterday with our current PM in it. It looked '90s to me.  :o But maybe it's a dress code.

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Haha. To be serious, the video looks like 1991, at the earliest, and 1994, at the latest.  8)

I saw this video from 1990 yesterday with our current PM in it. It looked '90s to me.  :o But maybe it's a dress code.

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That video seems like it's from 1993 not 1990.

Trudeau looks like a bit of a stoner there. :P

While the 90s-ness of the early 90s continues to be debated, I must say that I'm glad that most people here have assigned 1998 its rightful 90s-ness value. In the past it was customary for early 80s-borns to label 1997 or 1998 as the transition into the 00s, which I always thought was ridiculous. Those two years certainly signaled a major shift from the mid 90s, but they were incredibly 90s years in my eyes. You simply can't have an honest and thorough conversation about the 90s without including them.

In 1990 Depeche Mode released Violator; a very 80's sounding record with all it's synthy new wave sound effects. In 1992, they released Songs of Devotion and Faith which is an attempt to sound like a Grunge band with all their added use of guitars. I don't think it could of ever come out before 1991.

Trudeau looks like a bit of a stoner there. :P

While the 90s-ness of the early 90s continues to be debated, I must say that I'm glad that most people here have assigned 1998 its rightful 90s-ness value. In the past it was customary for early 80s-borns to label 1997 or 1998 as the transition into the 00s, which I always thought was ridiculous. Those two years certainly signaled a major shift from the mid 90s, but they were incredibly 90s years in my eyes. You simply can't have an honest and thorough conversation about the 90s without including them.

1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000 are all 90s in my eyes and I find it rather silly that some people have the nerve to call 1999 "the first year of the 00s". Any year that has Bill Clinton as president, a booming economy, and hope for the future can't possibly be 00s.

I'll agree with the people who say 9/11 ended the 90s, basically. However, late 2001-2002/3 did have its own vibe distinct from the rest of the 00s; late 90s holdovers mixed in with the new oncoming 00s culture, before everything got all lame and emo as Jordan would suggest.

1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000 are all 90s in my eyes and I find it rather silly that some people have the nerve to call 1999 "the first year of the 00s". Any year that has Bill Clinton as president, a booming economy, and hope for the future can't possibly be 00s.

I'll agree with the people who say 9/11 ended the 90s, basically. However, late 2001-2002/3 did have its own vibe distinct from the rest of the 00s; late 90s holdovers mixed in with the new oncoming 00s culture, before everything got all lame and emo as Jordan would suggest.


I'm in near full agreement with you. The one thing I'd amend is that 1999 to late 2001 was the epoch of late 90s (late 1996 to late 1998) holdovers awkwardly mixed together with the craze of the new millennium; the late 2001 to mid 2003 epoch was the millennium hangover slowly starting to give way to the hardcore 00s. A little bit of a more nuanced approach, but we're basically on the same page.

The absolute core of Millennial culture was 1999-2003 because it was 90s-influenced, yet a brand that was certainly too "new school" for Gen X and a little before Gen Z's time.

That video seems like it's from 1993 not 1990.


Ditto. There's no way that that's from 1990.

I saw this video from 1990 yesterday with our current PM in it. It looked '90s to me.  :o But maybe it's a dress code.

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A lot of those kids look pretty 80's to me.

I guess that really was 1990; the video is from what appears to be a credible source.

It does look more like 1992/1993 IMO, especially given the simple and non-tacky clothing. I don't see any mullets or big, curly hair either.

I guess that really was 1990; the video is from what appears to be a credible source.

It does look more like 1992/1993 IMO, especially given the simple and non-tacky clothing. I don't see any mullets or big, curly hair either.

I mean Canada is slightly different than the USA and especially Quebec. I know mullets were popular here but I've never known of it being popular in Canada (I could be VERY wrong :-X). I did see some big hair on the ladies but I don't think I saw female with big, curly hair.

I guess that really was 1990; the video is from what appears to be a credible source.

It does look more like 1992/1993 IMO, especially given the simple and non-tacky clothing. I don't see any mullets or big, curly hair either.


That's what I thought too, it looks very '90s.

I was looking through early '90s videos in the CBC archives this morning. I wish it were easier to browse by year though, it's only sorted by topic.  :-\\

1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000 are all 90s in my eyes and I find it rather silly that some people have the nerve to call 1999 "the first year of the 00s". Any year that has Bill Clinton as president, a booming economy, and hope for the future can't possibly be 00s.

I'll agree with the people who say 9/11 ended the 90s, basically. However, late 2001-2002/3 did have its own vibe distinct from the rest of the 00s; late 90s holdovers mixed in with the new oncoming 00s culture, before everything got all lame and emo as Jordan would suggest.


What is '90s culture to you?

Roseanne, Married with Children, and Seinfeld were all cancelled by 1999. That easily separates 1999 from 1997 and 1998 to me.

What is '90s culture to you?

Roseanne, Married with Children, and Seinfeld were all cancelled by 1999. That easily separates 1999 from 1997 and 1998 to me.

Max was just kidding. He knows 1997 and 1998 were the last true 90s years before the 1999 shift.

What is '90s culture to you?

Roseanne, Married with Children, and Seinfeld were all cancelled by 1999. That easily separates 1999 from 1997 and 1998 to me.


We still had The Nanny, Law and Order, The X-Files, and Buffy The Vampire Slayer. All of which that are considered 90s shows.

We still had The Nanny, Law and Order, The X-Files, and Buffy The Vampire Slayer. All of which that are considered 90s shows.

So? Law and Order still airs. The Nanny and The X-Files were past their primes in 1997. Buffy aired until 2003.

We still had The Nanny, Law and Order, The X-Files, and Buffy The Vampire Slayer. All of which that are considered 90s shows.

One nitpick, Nanny ended mid part that year. Buffy is more of a Millennium era show.

So? Law and Order still airs. The Nanny and The X-Files were past their primes in 1999. Buffy aired until 1993.

This. Also fixed for ya. ;) ;D

This. Also fixed for ya. ;) ;D

This time you didn't ruin it ;) ;D.

We still had The Nanny, Law and Order, The X-Files, and Buffy The Vampire Slayer. All of which that are considered 90s shows.


Those were '90s and '00s TV shows. They are not in the same category as '80s and '90s TV shows (I.e. - Murphy Brown, Roseanne, and Saved by the Bell).

Those were '90s and '00s TV shows. They are not in the same category as '80s and '90s TV shows.

I agree.

One nitpick, Nanny ended mid part that year. Buffy is more of a Millennium era show.


Even though The Nanny ended by mid 1999, it was still made 1999 a bit more 90s with its finale. Although, it wasn't great as it used to be in the mid 90s.

Those were '90s and '00s TV shows. They are not in the same category as '80s and '90s TV shows (I.e. - Murphy Brown, Roseanne, and Saved by the Bell).


But most of those shows weren't even at their peak when they ended by the late 90s/early 2000s.

But most of those shows weren't even at their peak when they ended by the late 90s/early 2000s.

They were still apart of the 90s spirit.

They were still apart of the 90s spirit.


Exactly.

They were still apart of the 90s spirit.


Well yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. They were more 90s for most of the time.

Even though The Nanny ended by mid 1999, it was still made 1999 a bit more 90s with its finale. Although, it wasn't great as it used to be in the mid 90s.


The Nanny came out in the '90s. I would not classify it as a '90s show. It was very different from the sitcoms that were popular at the start of  '90s (I.e. - Roseanne and The Cosby Show). By the time it went of the air, The Nanny was more of a Millenium era show.

The Nanny came out in the '90s. I would not classify it as a '90s show. It was very different from the sitcoms that were popular at the start of  '90s (I.e. - Roseanne and The Cosby Show). By the time it went of the air, The Nanny was more of a Millenium era show.


How do you feel about December 31, 1989 at 11:59 PM? How 90's was it? Did it have more 90's than January 1, 1990 at 12:01 AM?

The Nanny came out in the '90s. I would not classify it as a '90s show. It was very different from the sitcoms that were popular at the start of  '90s (I.e. - Roseanne and The Cosby Show). By the time it went of the air, The Nanny was more of a Millenium era show.


Like Friends, The Nanny was one of the upwardly mobile sitcoms of the 90s. This genre became a big thing later in the decade whereas the early 90s were more down to earth.

Even Seinfeld, which was about apparently well-to-do urbanites, wasn't one of those upwardly mobile shows because it was more about old school urbanites as opposed to the new school urbanites in Friends. Frasier, also, was somewhere in the middle, because it was too adult and too clever to be a show that appealed mainly to the upwardly mobile urban crowd.

How do you feel about December 31, 1989 at 11:59 PM? How 90's was it? Did it have more 90's than January 1, 1990 at 12:01 AM?

The difference between those 2 times are ASTRONOMICAL ;).

I think 1992 was 80s for adults but 90s for teens
Take a look at the 1992 adult contemporary charts (yes I remember all these songs)
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The adults seemed to have 80s fashion and style longer than the high school students.

Now compare to the alternative charts
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I think 1992 was 80s for adults but 90s for teens
Take a look at the 1992 adult contemporary charts (yes I remember all these songs)
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The adults seemed to have 80s fashion and style longer than the high school students.

I've seen videos from the high school "Class of 1992" and the fashion was totally still predominantly '80s.

I've seen videos from the high school "Class of 1992" and the fashion was totally still predominantly '80s.


Do you think class of 1992 hung on to the 80s culture until 1992 similar to how class of 2005 held on to the early 00s culture until 2005?

Do you think class of 1992 hung on to the 80s culture until 1992 similar to how class of 2005 held on to the early 00s culture until 2005?

Well yeah. That's because 1992 was the last '90s year in which the late '80s had any sizeable effect on.

Your name's Shawn, right? Anyway, your signature from 1992 looks pretty 80's to me. I think if it said '85 instead of '92, nobody would bat an eye.

Your name's Shawn, right? Anyway, your signature from 1992 looks pretty 80's to me. I think if it said '85 instead of '92, nobody would bat an eye.

Yes, my name is Shawn :).

Oh yeah, my 1992 Dream Team banner/signature is pretty '80s. You have MJ, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullin....I could go on 8).

Yes, my name is Shawn :).

Oh yeah, my 1992 Dream Team banner/signature is pretty '80s. You have MJ, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullin....I could go on 8).


Your signature looks at the earliest, 1988, at the latest 1991

Your signature looks at the earliest, 1988, at the latest 1991

True and the roster for Team USA's 1992 Men's Olympic Basketball Team was formulated in 1991 8).

Yes, my name is Shawn :).

Oh yeah, my 1992 Dream Team banner/signature is pretty '80s. You have MJ, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullin....I could go on 8).


I swear that I could also see Charles Barkley in that picture.

I swear that I could also see Charles Barkley in that picture.

Yes, he's there.

The Nanny came out in the '90s. I would not classify it as a '90s show. It was very different from the sitcoms that were popular at the start of  '90s (I.e. - Roseanne and The Cosby Show). By the time it went of the air, The Nanny was more of a Millenium era show.
I'm sorry, but your logic about eras is somewhat twisted. So by your statement, Cosby Show is 90s because it came out in the '80s? ::). Oh, and The Nanny is a '90s show, and so are the rest.


Do you think class of 1992 hung on to the 80s culture until 1992 similar to how class of 2005 held on to the early 00s culture until 2005?
I think the C/O 1994 were the last hung on to the 80s. Their HS days were pretty much '80s influenced.

Oh, and I agree with the comment that said teens wanted the 90s and adults wanted to keep the '80s look. I think many people forget that each previous fashion trends stay much longer with adults than teens.

I think the C/O 1994 were the last hung on to the 80s. Their HS days were pretty much '80s influenced.

Oh, and I agree with the comment that said teens wanted the 90s and adults wanted to keep the '80s look. I think many people forget that each previous fashion trends stay much longer with adults than teens.

I don't know....based on videos I've seen the high school "Class of 1993" was truly the last to hold on to the late '80s. The high school "Class of 1994" was already wearing prominent quintenssial '90s fashion.

I don't know....based on videos I've seen the high school "Class of 1993" was truly the last to hold on to the late '80s. The high school "Class of 1994" was already wearing prominent quintenssial '90s fashion.
No. The Class of 1994 would be the last. They began HS in 1990 which at the time had heavy effects of the previous decade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebJ6zVWEUM

No. The Class of 1994 would be the last. They began HS in 1990 which at the time had heavy effects of the previous decade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebJ6zVWEUM


But wouldn't they be early 90s teens by that point?

But wouldn't they be early 90s teens by that point?
Yeah, but remember that the first 90s were strongly '80s in some way which their HS days took place in.

No. The Class of 1994 would be the last. They began HS in 1990 which at the time had heavy effects of the previous decade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebJ6zVWEUM

They may have started HS in 1990 but the world was different in 1994. Based on that video....the quintessential '90s fashion had definitely taken over the late '80s fashion. Definitely not much '80s cheese in that video.

They may have started HS in 1990 but the world was different in 1994. Based on that video....the quintessential '90s fashion had definitely taken over the late '80s fashion. Definitely not much '80s cheese in that video.
That's because they were seniors by then. If one were to look at a yearbook from 1991-93 when they were 9th-11th, they would have the last types of '80s influenced fashion.

That's because they were seniors by then. If one were to look at a yearbook from 1991-93 when they were 9th-11th, they would have the last types of '80s influenced fashion.

Yes, that's because late '80s fashion was still acceptable in 1991-1993.

Yes, that's because late '80s fashion was still acceptable in 1991-1993.
I agree for the adolescents, but for adults it lasted a little longer.

I agree for the adolescents, but for adults it lasted a little longer.

Really? I'm a not a fan of Friends but when that came out it in 1994, it was official that late 80s fashion were no longer accepted.

Really? I'm a not a fan of Friends but when that came out it in 1994, it was official that late 80s fashion were no longer accepted.
Yeah. Remember that it was the Boomers (and maybe the Silents) who wanted to keep the '80s fashion. Gen Xers wanted the '90s fashion.

Yeah. Remember that it was the Boomers (and maybe the Silents) who wanted to keep the '80s fashion. Gen Xers wanted the '90s fashion.

True.

True.
And now just thinking about it. I believe the reason we had hipster fashion this decade is because of the Millennials. Boomers and Xers have been like 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P

And now just thinking about it. I believe the reason we had hipster fashion this decade is because of the Millennials. Boomers and Xers have been like 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P

And that is why I wish I was a Gen Xer.....I don't like the "trendy" hipster fashion of now.

And that is why I wish I was a Gen Xer.....I don't like the "trendy" hipster fashion of now.
I don't blame you. It has been awful. Good thing I didn't get into it, but my friends and people I knew did. Hopefully it declines really soon.

I don't blame you. It has been awful. Good thing I didn't get into it, but my friends and people I knew did. Hopefully it declines really soon.

Same...some my friends have gotten into it but I won't shed a tear if it goes away ;D.

Same...some my friends have gotten into it but I won't shed a tear if it goes away ;D.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I really don't know how this counterculture went widespread. It better off when it was small.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I really don't know how this counterculture went widespread. It better off when it was small.

It's because of the Web.....things spread so quickly nowadays because of it. Modern hipster culture would have been better as a small trend.

It's because of the Web.....things spread so quickly nowadays because of it. Modern hipster culture would have been better as a small trend.
Probably so and I think YouTube had to do with it as well. OTT, yeah it better as a small trend.

Probably so and I think YouTube had to do with it as well. OTT, yeah it better as a small trend.

Yes sir 👍.

Yeah. Remember that it was the Boomers (and maybe the Silents) who wanted to keep the '80s fashion. Gen Xers wanted the '90s fashion.


It wasn't boomers or silents. It's the MTV Generation half of the X'ers who wanted to keep 80's fashion.

It wasn't boomers or silents. It's the MTV Generation half of the X'ers who wanted to keep 80's fashion.
Them too. As for Boomers, they were part of it since some of them actually enjoyed the pop culture and didn't want the era to end.

Them too. As for Boomers, they were part of it since some of them actually enjoyed the pop culture and didn't want the era to end.


I know very few boomers that actually enjoyed the 80's. Most of them prefer the "real, raw" culture of the 70's and don't like the flashy cheesiness of the 80's.

I know very few boomers that actually enjoyed the 80's. Most of them prefer the "real, raw" culture of the 70's and don't like the flashy cheesiness of the 80's.
They must have been the older ones. The younger ones, however would have enjoyed the 80s since many of them were in their 20s.

I know very few boomers that actually enjoyed the 80's. Most of them prefer the "real, raw" culture of the 70's and don't like the flashy cheesiness of the 80's.


My parents were born in '54 so both core boomers. Both considered the 80s the peak of their lives. My dad especially loved the 80s pop culture - Prince, GN'R; My mom loved Tracy Chapman. Both of them embraced the culture well into the end of the decade, my dad especially on the fashion front. In the mid 80s he wore sleeveless skater style muscle shirts. He wore a mullet as early as 1983/1984 on and off the rest of the decade until 1996. Double denim. He wore a fanny pack as early as '89. My mom used the hell out of her VCR and recorded tons of movies from that era off the TV like "Baby Boom" and "Big" and such. I suppose the fact that they were raising kids might have helped - my sisters were born in '72, '73 and '80 respectively.

I know very few boomers that actually enjoyed the 80's. Most of them prefer the "real, raw" culture of the 70's and don't like the flashy cheesiness of the 80's.

My mom was born in 1963 and she loves the 1980s.....she was 17-26 during the '80s and she partied hard 8).

Man, looking at some of Donnie's old posts. Some of them make a lot of sense, but others are wayyyy off-base!

For example, he said 1996 was the "last year that had some 80s influence in it". No... just no. 1996 was the last year of the rustic grungy "classic" 90s, NOT the 80s. The 80s and the classic 90s had some things in common, but only on the base level, like some of the technology, or movies and TV shows still having that "faded-out" 35mm grainy film look (a switch to digital cameras began around the late 90s). There was really no 80s left in 1996; the 80s completely died around 1992/3.

Man, looking at some of Donnie's old posts. Some of them make a lot of sense, but others are wayyyy off-base!

For example, he said 1996 was the "last year that had some 80s influence in it". No... just no. 1996 was the last year of the rustic grungy "classic" 90s, NOT the 80s. The 80s and the classic 90s had some things in common, but only on the base level, like some of the technology, or movies and TV shows still having that "faded-out" 35mm grainy film look (a switch to digital cameras began around the late 90s). There was really no 80s left in 1996; the 80s completely died around 1992/3.

I agree with you. In no way was 1996 the last '90s year that had '80s influence.....that year was 1993. The late '80s influence started to die a little in 1992 and then fully died in late 1993.

They must have been the older ones. The younger ones, however would have enjoyed the 80s since many of them were in their 20s.


Quite possibly. However, with that said, my Nan (born in 1949) likes Van Halen and Julian Lennon's songs, so I suppose it is possible for older Baby Boomers to have enjoyed some of the culture in the 80s. My Grandad (born in 1947), on the other hand, is the complete opposite. He doesn't like any songs which were released after 1969. He never liked the counterculture of the Late 60s and he hates bands such as Queen and AC/DC. I guess it depends on the individual.

I agree with you. In no way was 1996 the last '90s year that had '80s influence.....that year was 1993. The late '80s influence started to die a little in 1992 and then fully died in late 1993.


1988 was the start of the decline (especially after the time NWA's Straight Outta Compton was released)

1989 was when you start to see political changes leading to the 90's (Nicolae Ceaușescu, Fall of Berlin Wall)

1990 was the start of the new decade when it comes to looking at the calendar.

1991 was when the USSR collapsed, the Golden Age of Nickelodeon ushered in, and when Nirvana and Pearl Jam released their albums.

1992 was when grunge started to become popular and when glam metal progressively becomes a thing from the past.

1993 was when Clinton got inaugurated (and also became the president for the rest of the 20th century) and when grunge made it to its peak.

By 1994, the 80's were six feet under. Plus the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1994 (big part of "zero-tolerance" policies and how they started to become widespread throughout the mid to late 90's) was enacted on March 31, 1994, which put the final nail in the coffin for the 80's.

1988 was the start of the decline.
1989 was when you start to see political changes leading to the 90's (Nicolae Ceaușescu, Fall of Berlin Wall)
1990 was the start of the new decade when it comes to looking at the calendar.
1991 was when the USSR collapsed, the Golden Age of Nickelodeon ushered in, and when Nirvana and Pearl Jam released their albums.
1992 was when grunge started to become popular and when glam metal progressively becomes a thing from the past (however, Mr. Big still released "To Be With You")
1993 was when Clinton got inaugurated (and also became the president for the rest of the 20th century) and when grunge made it to its peak.
By 1994, the 80's were six feet under.

1988 and 1989 are unusual years because they were still overwhelming '80s even though they were the last 2 years of the decade. Late 1993 to me was when the late '80s influnce truly ended because you had MMPR, Boys Meets World, Living Single, Walker, Texas Ranger, The X-Files premieres and that to me put a true end to the late '80s influence in the 1990s.

1988 and 1989 are unusual years because they were still overwhelming '80s even though they were the last 2 years of the decade. Late 1993 to me was when the late '80s influnce truly ended because you had MMPR, Boys Meets World, Living Single, Walker, Texas Ranger, The X-Files premieres and that to me put a true end to the late '80s influence in the 1990s.


One thing you would also see is that in some networks and logos, even until mid-1993, the bumpers feel like they have a slight 80's touch to them.

By late 1993 or early 1994, all of this vanished.

One thing you would also see is that in some networks and logos, even until mid-1993, the bumpers feel like they have a slight 80's touch to them.

By late 1993 or early 1994, all of this vanished.

Yes, that is correct.

They must have been the older ones. The younger ones, however would have enjoyed the 80s since many of them were in their 20s.


I think the '80s were to the boomers what the '10s are to Millennials.  Younger boomers considered the '80s to be "their decade" while older boomers preferred the '70s but were not yet completely out of touch with pop culture in the '80s.

I think the '80s were to the boomers what the '10s are to Millennials.  Younger boomers considered the '80s to be "their decade" while older boomers preferred the '70s but were not yet completely out of touch with pop culture in the '80s.
I can agree with this. I think this can also apply to Millennials in the 2020s since they won't be out of touch by then, and I'm with you on your statement that there could be some form of adult contemporary in the next decade towards them as well.

I think the '80s were to the boomers what the '10s are to Millennials.  Younger boomers considered the '80s to be "their decade" while older boomers preferred the '70s but were not yet completely out of touch with pop culture in the '80s.


Older Boomers preferred the 60s. They were the ones at Woodstock.

I guess some boomers would like the 80's but a couple of the ones in my family believe the 70's were a great time for pop culture and think of the 80's as too "fake" for them.


My parents were born in '54 so both core boomers. Both considered the 80s the peak of their lives. My dad especially loved the 80s pop culture - Prince, GN'R; My mom loved Tracy Chapman. Both of them embraced the culture well into the end of the decade, my dad especially on the fashion front. In the mid 80s he wore sleeveless skater style muscle shirts. He wore a mullet as early as 1983/1984 on and off the rest of the decade until 1996. Double denim. He wore a fanny pack as early as '89. My mom used the hell out of her VCR and recorded tons of movies from that era off the TV like "Baby Boom" and "Big" and such. I suppose the fact that they were raising kids might have helped - my sisters were born in '72, '73 and '80 respectively.


Your dad is a totally cool dude! I've seen the photos you've posted of him a few times and he is stylish! 8) I guess anyone can be into anything no matter what age they are. I've got one X'er uncle and he loves the 80's, 90's (his time) and the 70's but still keeps up to date with current events and it doesn't even matter what time it came out, if he likes it then he likes it.

I can agree with this. I think this can also apply to Millennials in the 2020s since they won't be out of touch by then, and I'm with you on your statement that there could be some form of adult contemporary in the next decade towards them as well.


If the 2020s pop culture is good enough, I'll consider that my personal decade over everything.

Older Boomers preferred the 60s. They were the ones at Woodstock.

Agreed!


I think the '80s were to the boomers what the '10s are to Millennials.  Younger boomers considered the '80s to be "their decade" while older boomers preferred the '70s but were not yet completely out of touch with pop culture in the '80s.

Eh... It depends on what part of the 10s you're talkin bout. Maybe the Late 10s are to millennials like the 80s were to boomers. But the early to mid 10s, were kinda like how the 70s were to boomers, well IMO.

And that is why I wish I was a Gen Xer.....I don't like the "trendy" hipster fashion of now.


I hear you. Today's fashion makes me want to vomit. Hopefully something better replaces it soon.

I simplify again. To me 1993 was fully 90's.
The 90's, to me, began in late 1992, or early 1993. But again, opinion.

I hear you. Today's fashion makes me want to vomit. Hopefully something better replaces it soon.
Well, it could come sometime this year. It seems the hipster fashion is declining which is good.

I hear you. Today's fashion makes me want to vomit. Hopefully something better replaces it soon.

I know right. Most mainstream music sucks today. Also, I hope the hipster trend is gone by the end of the year.


Well, it could come sometime this year. It seems the hipster fashion is declining which is good.

That is good and I hope it fully dies by December 31, 2017 😈.

No. The Class of 1994 would be the last. They began HS in 1990 which at the time had heavy effects of the previous decade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebJ6zVWEUM


I don't know. The clothing in the video looks pretty "90s" to me. On a side note, why the heck did this guy include "A Whole New World" from Aladdin and "I Will Always Love You" by Whitney Houston, in a video about 1994? Both songs, as well as their respective films, came out in 1992.

I don't know. The clothing in the video looks pretty "90s" to me. On a side note, why the heck did this guy include "A Whole New World" from Aladdin and "I Will Always Love You" by Whitney Houston, in a video about 1994? Both songs, as well as their respective films, came out in 1992.

I said the same thing (the part I bolded).

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That is good and I hope it fully dies by December 31, 2017 😈.
I don't blame you or MusicGuy.


I don't know. The clothing in the video looks pretty "90s" to me. On a side note, why the heck did this guy include "A Whole New World" from Aladdin and "I Will Always Love You" by Whitney Houston, in a video about 1994? Both songs, as well as their respective films, came out in 1992.



I said the same thing (the part I bolded).
That's because it was their senior year. The other school years though would have been somewhat 80s influenced.

As for the question, I honestly don't know. Maybe the person liked the songs, and decided to put them in.

I wonder what people will think of how life was now when they look back at the high school Class of 2017 videos that I might be apart of ;).

I wonder what people will think of how life was now when they look back at the high school Class of 2017 videos that I might be apart of ;).
I'll bet they will think it was awesome or probably funny ;)

I'll bet they will think it was awesome or probably funny ;)

They'll probably laughing at us like "In 2017, you guys actually had solid materials used in your phones and not just a holograph :-\\", "Males wore jeans that sweezed their balls, lol", "People wore clothes that weren't chrome or metallic....how did you guys even live?" ::)  ;D

They'll probably laughing at us like "In 2017, you guys actually had solid materials used in your phones and not just a holograph :-\\", "Males wore jeans that sweezed their balls, lol", "People wore clothes that weren't chrome or metallic....how did you guys even live?" ::)  ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. I imagine it would be worse for those in the C/O 2010-13 because of the neon fashion.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. I imagine it would be worse for those in the C/O 2010-13 because of the neon fashion.

;D ;D ;D Yep.....it's funny but slightly scary at the same time :(.

;D ;D ;D Yep.....it's funny but slightly scary at the same time :(.
I know, but it will still be funny ;) ;D

I know, but it will still be funny ;) ;D

I hope......:-\\.

We were supposed to have "Jaws 19" by now and pink Mattel hoverboards everywhere. So the future can become a disappointment.....

I hope......:-\\.

We were supposed to have "Jaws 19" by now and pink Mattel hoverboards everywhere. So the future can become a disappointment.....
I don't think we'll ever have Jaws 19. I don't even think it made it 4 or 5.

I don't think we'll ever have Jaws 19. I don't even think it made it 4 or 5.

Yeah, I know....my entire comment was Back to the Future II (1989) references.

I don't think we'll ever have Jaws 19. I don't even think it made it 4 or 5.

Jaws 4: The Revenge was released in 1987.

Yeah, I know....my entire comment was Back to the Future II (1989) references.
Ohhh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Jaws 4: The Revenge was released in 1987.
For some reason I forgot that one.

For some reason I forgot that one.

Maybe because it was terrible lol. Everyone hates that one.

Maybe because it was terrible lol. Everyone hates that one.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093300/

It's rated even worse than Barney and Friends. It also got 0% on Rotten Tomatoes.

This - 2.9 stars
Barney and Friends - 3.6 stars

I'm sorry, but your logic about eras is somewhat twisted. So by your statement, Cosby Show is 90s because it came out in the '80s? ::). Oh, and The Nanny is a '90s show, and so are the rest.


How can The Nanny be a '90s show when it was not on the air before 1993? That to me is twisted logic. Married with Children, Seinfeld, and Murphy Brown are all '90s shows. The Nanny, Buffy, and the rest are '90s and '00s TV shows.

How can The Nanny be a '90s show when it was not on the air before 1993? That to me is twisted logic. Married with Children, Seinfeld, and Murphy Brown are all '90s shows. The Nanny, Buffy, and the rest are '90s and '00s TV shows.
It's a 90s show plain and simple. The culture has no symptoms of anything associated with the next decade (even the Y2K era). Calling those 90s shows 00s would be incorrect.

It's a 90s show plain and simple. The culture has no symptoms of anything associated with the next decade (even the Y2K era). Calling those 90s shows 00s would be incorrect.


Even for me, it didn't have any '00s influences within any episode. I felt like I was watching a core 90s sitcom when I watched it years ago.

Even for me, it didn't have any '00s influences within any episode. I felt like I was watching a core 90s sitcom when I watched it years ago.
Same here. I've seen that show many times, and not once did I think it was a 00s show. A TV series that begins in one decade is not a contender for the next.  He's just trying to confuse us.

Same here. I've seen that show many times, and not once did I think it was a 00s show. A TV series that begins in one decade is not a contender for the next.  He's just trying to confuse us.

Early '90s Guy is well known for his unique opinions on the decades......so don't sweat it too much.

Early '90s Guy is well known for his unique opinions on the decades......so don't sweat it too much.


Yeah, but some of them are extremely questionable. Like on how he thinks the 80s started in 1978.

Yeah, but some of them are extremely questionable. Like on how he thinks the 80s started in 1978.

Yeah, I know that unique opinion of his very well. You can't let that get to you though.....just breathe and respectfully disagree with him....or just not say anything.

Early '90s Guy is well known for his unique opinions on the decades......so don't sweat it too much.
Oh, I know. I don't try to sweat it, but when statements like that are questionable, I have to pitch in.

Oh, I know. I don't try to sweat it, but when statements like that are questionable, I have to pitch in.

OH OK, I got you boss.

Early '90s Guy is well known for his unique opinions on the decades......so don't sweat it too much.


I'm just relieved he now considers shows and franchises that started in one decade and ended in another part of both decades rather than just the latter. Before, I recall him referring to disco and Jaws as strictly 80s trends, Back to the Future and TMNT purely 90s, and so on.

I'm just relieved he now considers shows and franchises that started in one decade and ended in another part of both decades rather than just the latter. Before, I recall him referring to disco and Jaws as strictly 80s trends, Back to the Future and TMNT purely 90s, and so on.

Yes, I know he has changed a bit when it comes to those topics. Maybe, it's a sign that the end times are near ;D.

Early 90s Guy is a nice guy. I think some of this forum tends to shoot him down rather cruelly, solely because his views on the decade shifts don't line up with that of the rest of the forum.

He's one of the only Gen Xers on this forum (along with Howard), so I think it's cool to hear his opinions on things many of us were too young to experience.
Only because he's pushing them as fact, and that he even said everyone remembers them the same way he did.

Early 90s Guy is a nice guy. I think some of this forum tends to shoot him down rather cruelly, solely because his views on the decade shifts don't line up with that of the rest of the forum.

He's one of the only Gen Xers on this forum (along with Howard), so I think it's cool to hear his opinions on things many of us were too young to experience.

Nobody is saying that he is a bad guy. He just often thinks that his unique opinions are basically holy and should only be accepted...that's why there is some contention. However, once again...I don't think he's a bad guy in anyway shape or form.

Nobody is saying that he is a bad guy. He just often thinks that his unique opinions are basically holy and should only be accepted...that's why there is some contention. However, once again...I don't think he's a bad guy in anyway shape or form.
Yes! This is the only problem I have had with him. I hopes he tones it down.

Yes! This is the only problem I have had with him. I hopes he tones it down.

Yeah, me too.

Yes! This is the only problem I have had with him. I hopes he tones it down.


It's still better than spewing hateful insults, which is why for a lot of us, after awhile, he comes off as more entertaining than rancid.

It's still better than spewing hateful insults, which is why for a lot of us, after awhile, he comes off as more entertaining than rancid.

Yes, that is true ;D.

I still can't figure out if Early90sGuy likes, or dislikes, 1993.  :P

He sometimes shows that he likes 1993, he sometimes shows that he doesn't!

I still can't figure out if Early90sGuy likes, or dislikes, 1993.  :P

He sometimes shows that he likes 1993, he sometimes shows that he doesn't!


I agree about that. Every time he talks about 1993, it raised up in an unusual way. It doesn't really show if he either likes or dislikes 1993. I wonder if it has to deal with issues about pop culture back in 1993, which makes him separate 1993 with the rest of the early 90s.

I still can't figure out if Early90sGuy likes, or dislikes, 1993.  :P

He sometimes shows that he likes 1993, he sometimes shows that he doesn't!


1993 was a horrible year for pop culture, especially music. Jurassic Park was the only movie I saw that year and I thought the book was better.

I agree about that. Every time he talks about 1993, it raised up in an unusual way. It doesn't really show if he either likes or dislikes 1993. I wonder if it has to deal with issues about pop culture back in 1993, which makes him separate 1993 with the rest of the early 90s.


'93 was an early '90s year to you?

Perhaps I should change my name to HW Bush Era Guy.  :(

1993 was a horrible year for pop culture, especially music. Jurassic Park was the only movie I saw that year and I thought the book was better.


Is there a reason why you don't like anything post-1993 in general? Especially 1993? I don't mean to sound like a hypocrite since I don't like anything from post-2011, but people know why I don't like it so much.


'93 was an early '90s year to you?

Perhaps I should change my name to HW Bush Era Guy.  :(


Well, most of the early 90s happened with George H.W. Bush's presidency.  1993 is the only early 90s year that was with Bill Clinton as president.  :P

1993 was a horrible year for pop culture, especially music. Jurassic Park was the only movie I saw that year and I thought the book was better.
Only for you. There was actually great music from all genres, good movies and even fantastic games. Not everything was a regurgitation that year.


'93 was an early '90s year to you?
That depends on the system he's using. There's the thirds, quarters, and halves.

1993 was a great year to me (with the exception of the 1993 World Trade Center Bombings).

Only for you. There was actually great music from all genres, good movies and even fantastic games. Not everything was a regurgitation that year.


1993 was one of the greatest years for movies with Jurassic Park, Schnidler's List, Philadelphia, Nightmare Before Christmas, A Bronx Tale, and Free Willy. The worst movie in 1993 for me was Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Friday, which was a huge disappointment from most F13 fans.


That depends on the system he's using. There's the thirds, quarters, and halves.


I don't think any calendar system would probably have 1993 as a non-early 90s year. Unless it used 1993 as a mid 90s year.

'93 was an early '90s year to you?

Perhaps I should change my name to HW Bush Era Guy.  :(


No, no. We've had enough of the Bush's name on every news channel.  :P

I agree about that. Every time he talks about 1993, it raised up in an unusual way. It doesn't really show if he either likes or dislikes 1993. I wonder if it has to deal with issues about pop culture back in 1993, which makes him separate 1993 with the rest of the early 90s.


I started Pre-School in 1993.

1993 was one of the greatest years for movies with Jurassic Park, Schnidler's List, Philadelphia, Nightmare Before Christmas, A Bronx Tale, and Free Willy. The worst movie in 1993 for me was Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Friday, which was a huge disappointment from most F13 fans.

I don't think any calendar system would probably have 1993 as a non-early 90s year. Unless it used 1993 as a mid 90s year.
Agreed! That year had amazing films that are now classics.

True. The only time 1993 is in the middle is when the thirds method of 3-4-3 is used. Sometimes, the 0 is not there which makes it early such as:

1991-93

1994-96

1997-99

Besides, when people count it's 1, 2, 3, not 0, 1, 2.

1993 was a great year to me (with the exception of the 1993 World Trade Center Bombings).


What a horrible preview it was.  :(

What a horrible preview it was.  :(

Yes I know :\'(.

1993 was a great year to me (with the exception of the 1993 World Trade Center Bombings).


What about Waco?

Well, most of the early 90s happened with George H.W. Bush's presidency.  1993 is the only early 90s year that was with Bill Clinton as president.  :P


1993 was a pretty transitional year for the 90s, to be fair. Besides Clinton becoming President of the United States, it was also when gangsta rap emerged a full-blown movement (with profanity suddenly common on top 20 hits in general), classic eurodance entered the mainstream, and radio rock became alternative like Radiohead, Soul Asylum, and Gin Blossoms as opposed to all these late 80s-ish groups like Ugly Kid Joe and Adrenalize-era Def Leppard. It also saw one of the single biggest shifts in television, with monster hits like The X-Files, Beavis & Butthead, Frasier, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, and Boy Meets World all making their debuts that year.

Is there a reason why you don't like anything post-1993 in general? Especially 1993? I don't mean to sound like a hypocrite since I don't like anything from post-2011, but people know why I don't like it so much.

The post-1993 culture does not compare to the pre-'93 stuff.

What about Waco?

I forgot about that....yeah Waco and the WTC Bombings are the only exceptions.

1993 was a pretty transitional year for the 90s, to be fair. Besides Clinton becoming President of the United States, it was also when gangsta rap emerged a full-blown movement (with profanity suddenly common on top 20 hits in general), classic eurodance entered the mainstream, and radio rock became alternative like Radiohead, Soul Asylum, and Gin Blossoms as opposed to all these late 80s-ish groups like Ugly Kid Joe and Adrenalize-era Def Leppard. It also saw one of the single biggest shifts in television, with monster hits like The X-Files, Beavis & Butthead, Frasier, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, and Boy Meets World all making their debuts that year.


Now I could probably get why he doesn't like a lot of stuff from 1993 and after. But we still had some gems like The Simpsons' golden age (up until 1997, which is debatable), MTV still doing good and people weren't obsessed with the Internet yet.

Now I could probably get why he doesn't like a lot of stuff from 1993 and after. But we still had some gems like The Simpsons' golden age (up until 1997, which is debatable), MTV still doing good and people weren't obsessed with the Internet yet.


He thinks The Simpsons jumped the shark with Marge vs. the Monorail, one of the most popular episodes of the series, because of the line "Batman's a scientist" (one of its best jokes in context, by the way), not Principal Skinner revealing himself to be an imposter named Armin Tamzarian in 1997. I don't think he cares much for grunge and gangsta rap, both of which had fully established themselves by the mid-90s.

He thinks The Simpsons jumped the shark with Marge vs. the Monorail, one of the most popular episodes of the series, because of the line "Batman's a scientist" (one of its best jokes in context, by the way), not Principal Skinner revealing himself to be an imposter named Armin Tamzarian in 1997. I don't think he cares much for grunge and gangsta rap, both of which had fully established themselves by the mid-90s.
Weren't these more underground though?

He thinks The Simpsons jumped the shark with Marge vs. the Monorail, one of the most popular episodes of the series, because of the line "Batman's a scientist" (one of its best jokes in context, by the way), not Principal Skinner revealing himself to be an imposter named Armin Tamzarian in 1997. I don't think he cares much for grunge and gangsta rap, both of which had fully established themselves by the mid-90s.


Huh. That's peculiarly odd for when he thinks The Simpsons "jumped the shark". It still has that classic 90s feel for The Simpsons though.

He thinks The Simpsons jumped the shark with Marge vs. the Monorail, one of the most popular episodes of the series, because of the line "Batman's a scientist" (one of its best jokes in context, by the way), not Principal Skinner revealing himself to be an imposter named Armin Tamzarian in 1997. I don't think he cares much for grunge and gangsta rap, both of which had fully established themselves by the mid-90s.


Now I know when The Simpsons Jumped The Shark, or at least, began to.  :o

Now I know when The Simpsons Jumped The Shark, or at least, began to.  :o


To me, it didn't really matter for that episode. The Treehouse of Horror specials were still good until the late 2000s, imo.

He thinks The Simpsons jumped the shark with Marge vs. the Monorail, one of the most popular episodes of the series, because of the line "Batman's a scientist" (one of its best jokes in context, by the way), not Principal Skinner revealing himself to be an imposter named Armin Tamzarian in 1997. I don't think he cares much for grunge and gangsta rap, both of which had fully established themselves by the mid-90s.


I'm not alone:

"Let's start off with the beginning moment that I think eventually led the show down it's slippery slope way back in Season 4. Marge VS The Monorail is a great episode and it's outlandish plot with it's ridiculous moments such as Leonard Nemoy teleporting all work in the episode. Unfortunately, I think it became a blueprint for how ridiculous the show would later get. It set a dangerous precedent for the show."

- The poster QtotheT on when The Simpsons jumped the shark ("Q and T jumps the shark" thread on the Rotten Tomatoes message board)

I'm not alone:

"Let's start off with the beginning moment that I think eventually led the show down it's slippery slope way back in Season 4. Marge VS The Monorail is a great episode and it's outlandish plot with it's ridiculous moments such as Leonard Nemoy teleporting all work in the episode. Unfortunately, I think it became a blueprint for how ridiculous the show would later get. It set a dangerous precedent for the show."

- The poster QtotheT on when The Simpsons jumped the shark ("Q and T jumps the shark" thread on the Rotten Tomatoes message board)


The Simpsons grew increasingly wacky and outlandish with each and every passing season, but it retained its intelligent sense of humor until the late 90s. Most people will tell you that the mid-90s were the show's quality peak, even though it was arguably more groundbreaking during the early 90s due to viewership and timing.

To me, it didn't really matter for that episode. The Treehouse of Horror specials were still good until the late 2000s, imo.


I don't believe there was one sharp moment where everything changed and it all went down the trash bin for The Simpsons.

It was a steady downward slide. Most people say the first 8 seasons are the golden years. And it was a steady downward slide until roughly 2000.

For me, the show was good all the way until 2004, but it could be my age then, and my personal bias.

Weren't these more underground though?


They went from primarily countercultural genres during the early 1990s to heavily mimicked fads in the mid-1990s. Intermixed with the classic originators continuing to thrive artistically, you had a lot of inferior, often radio-friendly counterparts like Collective Soul, Domino, and Coolio dominating the pop charts and everyday adolescents adopting the fashions and lifestyle of these movements for the sake of fitting in, not because they empathized with Compton and Seattle. Granted, I personally like most of the commercial gangsta rap (I don't like Domino because his rapping skills are horrific, but Coolio is pretty solid) and post-grunge, but these musicians clearly weren't the grassroots successes that their inspirations were.

They went from primarily countercultural genres during the early 1990s to heavily mimicked fads in the mid-1990s. Intermixed with the classic originators continuing to thrive artistically, you had a lot of inferior, often radio-friendly counterparts like Collective Soul, Domino, and Coolio dominating the pop charts and everyday adolescents adopting the fashions and lifestyle of these movements for the sake of fitting in, not because they empathized with Compton and Seattle. Granted, I personally like most of the commercial gangsta rap (I don't like Domino because his rapping skills are horrific, but Coolio is pretty solid) and post-grunge, but these musicians clearly weren't the grassroots successes that their inspirations were.
Oh I see. It's just that when I see folks talk about 90s music, they seem to forget R&B and Adult Contemporary which I thought were more popular than Grunge and Hip-Hop.

Oh, and wasn't there lots of non-grunge rock and non-gangsta hip-hop at that time as well?

Oh I see. It's just that when I see folks talk about 90s music, they seem to forget R&B and Adult Contemporary which I thought were more popular than Grunge and Hip-Hop.

Yeah, the 90s were indeed an eclectic time for popular music. If you look at the charts, it was actually artists like Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, and Boyz II Men who were racking up the most #1's, while pop rock was dominated more by Gin Blossoms, Hootie & the Blowfish, Melissa Etheridge, Sheryl Crow, and Alanis Morissette than Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains. I would also add new jack swing to the list of genres that dominated the 90s because like I stated before, even though really only the late 80s/early 90s stuff earns the label, it played a significant role in the production of many other 90s songs as well, extended as late as the teen pop craze of the Y2K era.

Oh, and wasn't there lots of non-grunge rock and non-gangsta hip-hop at that time as well?

Yep, there sure was. Even though many general pop rock acts from 1993 on were at least partially inspired by grunge, many others evolved more out R.E.M., like Gin Blossoms, Blues Traveler, and Counting Crows, while other sub-movements of alternative rock included post-Metallica black album metal, britpop, and even the survival of new wave and synthpop groups like the Human League, Duran Duran, INXS, and Erasure. Gangsta rap was the driving force of hip hop in the mid-90s, but also significant were the Beastie Boys' fusion of hip hop with punk and garage rock, Rage Against the Machine's marriage of hard rock with politically confrontal lyrics, and also the onslaught of alternative hip hop acts, many of which achieved mainstream success such as the Fugees, OutKast, and The Roots. The 90s were so diverse that pretty much anybody could discover something they loved that decade.

Early 90s Guy is a nice guy. I think some of this forum tends to shoot him down rather cruelly, solely because his views on the decade shifts don't line up with that of the rest of the forum.

He's one of the only Gen Xers on this forum (along with Howard), so I think it's cool to hear his opinions on things many of us were too young to experience.


Ahem.

I agree with Early '90s Guy.  :-X :-X :-X :-X

1990-1992 are the real '90s.  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

But I'd extend it to include 1993-1995 as well.  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

The best 90's were 1990-1995. 8) Along with 1983-1989 you've got the best era ever.

Pre-golden age: 1982-1983

Golden age: 1982-1995

Silver age: 1996-2002

Brown age: 2003-present

Ahem.

1982 borns aren't Gen Xers....you're just old :).

1982 borns aren't Gen Xers....you're just old :).


I believe those of us born in 1982 are the final Gen Xers. 8)

I believe those of us born in 1982 are the final Gen Xers. 8)

It's only in your mind old man :).

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I know....sad isn't it. You turn 35 on August 27th....how does it feel to be almost ready to live in a retirement home? ;D

I know....sad isn't it. You turn 35 on August 27th....how does it feel to be almost ready to live in a retirement home? ;D


Why did you have to remind me!? 35! When I was 12, I'd think "wow people who are 35 are ancient!" Now look at me! At least I'm not my brother. He turns 40 this year! ;D

Why did you have to remind me!? 35! When I was 12, I'd think "wow people who are 35 are ancient!" Now look at me! At least I'm not my brother. He turns 40 this year! ;D

That's OK....I used to think like that as well. Now, that I'm 18....I think that 45 is old ;D.

That's OK....I used to think like that as well. Now, that I'm 18....I think that 45 is old ;D.


Haha, soon enough you'll be hitting 30, too. ;) The time flies like nothing!

Haha, soon enough you'll be hitting 30, too. ;) The time flies like nothing!

Noooooo I don't want to get old :(.

Noooooo I don't want to get old :(.


You'll have to wait until they invent a way to stop aging.

You'll have to wait until they invent a way to stop aging.

Or until Bill & Ted make me time travel with them ;) 8).

Or until Bill & Ted make me time travel with them ;) 8).


Oh yeah, that would be most excellent!! 8)

Yeah, the 90s were indeed an eclectic time for popular music. If you look at the charts, it was actually artists like Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, and Boyz II Men who were racking up the most #1's, while pop rock was dominated more by Gin Blossoms, Hootie & the Blowfish, Melissa Etheridge, Sheryl Crow, and Alanis Morissette than Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains. I would also add new jack swing to the list of genres that dominated the 90s because like I stated before, even though really only the late 80s/early 90s stuff earns the label, it played a significant role in the production of many other 90s songs as well, extended as late as the teen pop craze of the Y2K era.

Yep, there sure was. Even though many general pop rock acts from 1993 on were at least partially inspired by grunge, many others evolved more out R.E.M., like Gin Blossoms, Blues Traveler, and Counting Crows, while other sub-movements of alternative rock included post-Metallica black album metal, britpop, and even the survival of new wave and synthpop groups like the Human League, Duran Duran, INXS, and Erasure. Gangsta rap was the driving force of hip hop in the mid-90s, but also significant were the Beastie Boys' fusion of hip hop with punk and garage rock, Rage Against the Machine's marriage of hard rock with politically confrontal lyrics, and also the onslaught of alternative hip hop acts, many of which achieved mainstream success such as the Fugees, OutKast, and The Roots. The 90s were so diverse that pretty much anybody could discover something they loved that decade.
Yeah, I have to say it was an amazing time for music. There was so much diversity there was something out there for everyone. It sucks how there's literally no variety in the charts today not just in music, but everything else as well. Almost every movie and TV show has that dark and serious tone with all types of fashion being hipstery, and the music being trap-influenced.

The folks who say that today is comparable to the 90s are wrong. This decade is definitely no way similar to that era. The lack of diversity has been missing this whole time that it has caused some people to miss out on something they want to enjoy because it's all monotone.

I can totally see why you, MusicGuy, NYR, Jordan and even ReignMan despise this era so much, and I don't blame you guys at all.

Yeah, I have to say it was an amazing time for music. There was so much diversity there was something out there for everyone. It sucks how there's literally no variety in the charts today not just in music, but everything else as well. Almost every movie and TV show has that dark and serious tone with all types of fashion being hipstery, and the music being trap-influenced.

The folks who say that today is comparable to the 90s are wrong. This decade is definitely no way similar to that era. The lack of diversity has been missing this whole time that it has caused some people to miss out on something they want to enjoy because it's all monotone.

I can totally see why you, MusicGuy, NYR, Jordan and even ReignMan despise this era so much, and I don't blame you guys at all.


I remember 90s radio from the early 90s through late 90s. People who say this era's music is the same quality or variety obviously don't remember the radio back then. When do you think music will get better? The music I listen to is mostly from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I tried listening to a top 40 station on the mainstream radio today and I couldn't stand it for 20 seconds it was that bad. I've never seen music as bad as now. TV is also a giant borefest today.

The question needs to be asked, what caused this significant drop in quality across all outlets of pop culture? We have unprecedented access to so many different forms of music, tv shows and movies. Anyone can search for a music genre on iTunes and have access to thousands of songs from all around the world. With so much variety at our hands, wouldn't you think the pop culture would reflect the inter-connected nature of our society? I mean, there literally is something for everyone. It's almost as if people are overwhelmed by the abundance of different options there are. However, with that said, that doesn't explain the drop in quality and lack of variety currently in our pop culture.

Yeah, I have to say it was an amazing time for music. There was so much diversity there was something out there for everyone. It sucks how there's literally no variety in the charts today not just in music, but everything else as well. Almost every movie and TV show has that dark and serious tone with all types of fashion being hipstery, and the music being trap-influenced.

The folks who say that today is comparable to the 90s are wrong. This decade is definitely no way similar to that era. The lack of diversity has been missing this whole time that it has caused some people to miss out on something they want to enjoy because it's all monotone.

I can totally see why you, MusicGuy, NYR, Jordan and even ReignMan despise this era so much, and I don't blame you guys at all.

Well, I don't despise this era (2010-present aka the 2010s) but to me....the culture, vibe, music, fashion, etc was just better imo from 1987-1996. Now, it's just blander and almost the same.....however, I don't hate the era of now/today.

Noooooo I don't want to get old :(.


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That's how old I felt when I saw a Yahoo Answers question that said "I was born in 2009 am I a 2000s kid?" :( :( :( :( :( :(.

Well, I don't despise this era (2010-present aka the 2010s) but to me....the culture, vibe, music, fashion, etc was just better imo from 1987-1996. Now, it's just blander and almost the same.....however, I don't hate the era of now/today.
Oh. For some reason, I thought you did.

OTT, yeah I definitely agree with you. Hopefully we get more variety soon, and if not then the 2020s


That's how old I felt when I saw a Yahoo Answers question that said "I was born in 2009 am I a 2000s kid?" :( :( :( :( :( :(.
When did this happen?

Oh. For some reason, I thought you did.

OTT, yeah I definitely agree with you. Hopefully we get more variety soon, and if not then the 2020s

When did this happen?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160604104213AA8VM93

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https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160604104213AA8VM93

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Whoa almost a year ago?! :o

Damn, i bet that's even making 2000 folks feel old.

Whoa almost a year ago?! :o

Damn, i bet that's even making 2000 folks feel old.

I know....the fact that a 7-8 year old is worrying about whether they are a 2000s kid or not makes me feel old. However, it makes me feel soemthing different as well....it makes me feel like we have taken this "decade kid" thing and generation thing too seriously and it's not good...at all :(.

I know....the fact that a 7-8 year old is worrying about whether they are a 2000s kid or not makes me feel old. However, it makes me feel soemthing different as well....it makes me feel like we have taken this "decade kid" thing and generation thing too seriously and it's not good...at all :(.
I know. Ever since the debate on YouTube, now some people are wondering if they are kid of a certain decade.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160604104213AA8VM93

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Surely that can't be genuine!  :o

Surely that can't be genuine!  :o

It's shocking I know.

I miss the 2000s where I could say I was a '90s kid and no one would say anything.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160604104213AA8VM93

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Damn, I'm old enough to be his Daddy.

Damn, I'm old enough to be his Daddy.

I know...I was stunned when I saw it.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160604104213AA8VM93

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I wish I would answer that kid's question, since this is what it would be like..

No! If you were born in the mid-late 2000s, then you are more likely to be a 2010s kid. You're not special since you were born in 2009 and you are obviously still a kid.

I wish I would answer that kid's question, since this is what it would be like..

No! If you were born in the mid-late 2000s, then you are definitely a 2010s kid. You're not special since you were born in 2009 and you are obviously still a kid.

Fixed your theoretical answer ;).

Fixed your theoretical answer ;).


Thanks. Although I think the kid would get the message by the first sentence.

1993 is the only early 90s year that was with Bill Clinton as president.  :P


Clothes teens wore at the start of 1992: Varsity jackets, College sweatshirts, leather African medallions, Z. Cavaricci, polka dots, sweatshirts, Cosby sweaters, black and neon sweaters, Fila sneakers, two-tone clothes, pastel pink with light blue pin striped shirts, OP shirts, and Stussy shirts

Clothes teens wore at the start of 1993: Cross Colors, Starter puffa jackets, Champion gear, Karl Kani, washed Hypercolor shirts, flannel, ravewear, Kris Kross Looney Tunes shirts, College football sweatshirts, Ben Davis shirts, and pot leaf caps


1993 was the first year of the mid '90s. Clinton being elected in '92 was the final nail in the coffin for the early '90s.

Interesting topic. I'd like to branch this out a bit more and go back to the 60s and assess all those years and how respective they were to their cultural decades;

60s                                                                          70s
1960 - 80% 50's|20% 60's                                                1970 - 75% 60's|25% 70's
1961 - 70% 50's|30% 60's                                                1971 - 60% 60's|40% 70's
1962 - 55% 50's|45% 60's                                                1972 - 55% 60's|45% 70's
1963 - 50% 50's|50% 60's                                                1973 - 60% 70's|40% 60's
1964 - 65% 60's|35% 50's                                                1974 - 75% 70's|25% 60's
1965 - 75% 60's|25% 50's                                                1975 - 90% 70's|10% 60's
1966 - 90% 60's|10% 50's                                                1976 - 100% 70's
1967 - 100% 60's                                                              1977 - 100% 70's (quintessential year)
1968 - 100% 60's (quintessential year)                            1978 - 95% 70's|5% 80's
1969 - 85% 60's|15% 70's                                                1979 - 75% 70's|25% 80's

80s
1980 - 65% 70's|35% 80's                                                90s
1981 - 55% 70's|45% 80's                                                1990 - 60% 80's|40% 90's
1982 - 65% 80's|35% 70's                                                1991 - 55% 80's|45% 90's
1983 - 95% 80's|5% 70's                                                  1992 - 70% 90's|30% 80's
1984 - 100% 80's (quintessential year)                            1993 - 95% 90's|5% 80's
1985 - 100% 80's                                                              1994 - 100% 90's
1986 - 95% 80's|5% 90's                                                  1995 - 100% 90's (quintessential year)
1987 - 90% 80's|10% 90's                                                1996 - 100% 90's
1988 - 80% 80's|20% 90's                                                1997 - 80% 90's|20% 00's
1989 - 60% 80's|40% 90's                                                1998 - 70% 90's|30% 00's
                                                                                          1999 - 55% 90's|45% 00's

I wouldn't say 1986 had 5% 90's.

I wouldn't say 1986 had 5% 90's.


I would say 1986 was 5% 90's because this year was when "Walk This Way" became popular and brought significant new attention to rap music. While it may still have been stylistically 80's rap music, the fact that rap had gained top 40 chart success in that year was a stylistic contrast to the rest of the decade. New jack swing also first became recognised this year with Janet Jackson's Control album, flat top haircuts first started to appear and CDs were becoming popular.

I would say 1986 was 5% 90's because this year was when "Walk This Way" became popular and brought significant new attention to rap music. While it may still have been stylistically 80's rap music, the fact that rap had gained top 40 chart success in that year was a stylistic contrast to the rest of the decade.

"Rapper's Delight" achieved top 40 success back when it came out around the beginning of the decade. Actually, in the UK, there were a whole bunch of successful hip hop songs that came out before "Walk This Way."

New jack swing also first became recognised this year with Janet Jackson's Control album

"Nasty" is really the only new jack swing song on that album, and even so, its production its too primitive to pass as 90s. The rest of the LP is solidly 80s.

, flat top haircuts first started to appear

I think it's debatable whether flat tops are more 80s or 90s, but I'm pretty sure they still weren't that prominent in 1986.

and CDs were becoming popular.

They had only just gone on sale. Hardly anybody owned them yet. 1986 wad roughly the peak of the audio cassette, the definitive audio format of the 80s. Even vinyl records were still significantly more popular at the time than compact discs were.

By the way, you still consider 1984 the quintessential 80s year? I thought you said I had sort of convinced you otherwise. I can understand going with 1985 instead, depending on what you're focusing on, but I just think 1984, despite being almost purely 80s, is still working its way out of the somewhat downplayed, neutral, not-fully-developed trends popular around 1983. To me personally, its atmosphere and zeitgeist are not as in-your-face 80s as the ultra-polished, ultra-hairsprayed, ultra-extravagant 1986's are.

By the way, you still consider 1984 the quintessential 80s year? I thought you said I had sort of convinced you otherwise. I can understand going with 1985 instead, depending on what you're focusing on, but I just think 1984, despite being almost purely 80s, is still working its way out of the somewhat downplayed, neutral, not-fully-developed trends popular around 1983. To me personally, its atmosphere and zeitgeist are not as in-your-face 80s as the ultra-polished, ultra-hairsprayed, ultra-extravagant 1986's are.


Yes I did say that, but then I thought about it and I just think 1984 is undoubtedly the peak of the 80's. I'm not the only one to think this either, read all these articles other people have wrote about the year;

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6296392/1984-best-year-of-pop-music-ever-essay

http://www.liketotally80s.com/2007/08/80s-capsules-1984/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gregory-weinkauf/my-favorite-year-the-pop_b_5490756.html

I always saw the peak of the 80's as somewhere between 1985 and 1987. Although by 1987, we are slowly stepping into 'late 80's' territory!

I always saw the peak of the 80's as somewhere between 1985 and 1987. Although by 1987, we are slowly stepping into 'late 80's' territory!


Maybe at the end of the year when the stock market crashed, and when rap and alternative rock started to get recognition. But for the most part, 1987 is very much a part of the 80's zeitgeist.

Yes I did say that, but then I thought about it and I just think 1984 is undoubtedly the peak of the 80's. I'm not the only one to think this either, read all these articles other people have wrote about the year;

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6296392/1984-best-year-of-pop-music-ever-essay

http://www.liketotally80s.com/2007/08/80s-capsules-1984/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gregory-weinkauf/my-favorite-year-the-pop_b_5490756.html


There's a significant difference between which year produced the decade's most memorable culture and which represented its decade at its most ubiquitous. While I personally think 1984 is a far superior year for popular culture to 1986, which wasn't bad but felt a little too hollow and commercial compared to the more groundbreakingly enthusiastic years that preceded it, I still cannot think of any other time, besides late 1985, that just screams 80s times eleven.

1984 may have rules, but it lacks a lot of conspicuous elements that defined the decade that existed in 1985 and 1986, or just felt too comparatively neutral to really fully represent 80s stereotypes and culture all the way. Yes, there were a lot of excellent albums and movies released in 1984, but if you really focus on the social climate as a whole, it isn't quite as obviously fleshed out in 80s-ness as late 1985 and 1986 were. Television is a huge example - several important shows to the 1980s, like Growing Pains, Jem, MacGyver, Moonlighting, Care Bears, and Golden Girls, for example, did not exist yet in 1984 but were broadcasting by 1985 and 1986. Hardlt any quintessential 80s show still on air in 1984 wasn't still running in 1985 or 1986 (a few, like Knight Rider, ended in, but still aired new episodes during the latter). In place of the huge 80s debuts from 1985 and 1986, 1984 had the last stretches of old, worn-out 70s series like The Jeffersons, Happy Days, and Three's Company. By 1985 and 1986, nof only were all of the 1984 premieres on air for the entirety of their respective years, they had also established their footing in popular culture, as well.

Some huge songs from 1984, while not completely 70s, don't totally epitomize the 80s, either. Phil Collins' "Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now)," Lionel Richie's "Stuck on You" and "Hello," and Paul McCartney's "No More Lonely Nights" (the original ballad, not the dance remix) are all examples of tracks that, while not out of place in their decade, really aren't as obviously tailored for the 80s as say, "One More Night," "Say You, Say Me," or "Press."

Even the socioeconomic climate of 1984, while certainly within 80s territory during Reagan's reelection campaign, hadn't gotten to its absolute height of greed is good or corporations running seemingly everything about the media. Yuppies were around, but not as common as they were by '86. Gorby wasn't even the Soviet Premier yet.

There's a significant difference between which year produced the decade's most memorable culture and which represented its decade at its most ubiquitous. While I personally think 1984 is a far superior year for popular culture to 1986, which wasn't bad but felt a little too hollow and commercial compared to the more groundbreakingly enthusiastic years that preceded it, I still cannot think of any other time, besides late 1985, that just screams 80s times eleven.

1984 may have rules, but it lacks a lot of conspicuous elements that defined the decade that existed in 1985 and 1986, or just felt too comparatively neutral to really fully represent 80s stereotypes and culture all the way. Yes, there were a lot of excellent albums and movies released in 1984, but if you really focus on the social climate as a whole, it isn't quite as obviously fleshed out in 80s-ness as late 1985 and 1986 were. Television is a huge example - several important shows to the 1980s, like Growing Pains, Jem, MacGyver, Moonlighting, Care Bears, and Golden Girls, for example, did not exist yet in 1984 but were broadcasting by 1985 and 1986. Hardlt any quintessential 80s show still on air in 1984 wasn't still running in 1985 or 1986 (a few, like Knight Rider, ended in, but still aired new episodes during the latter). In place of the huge 80s debuts from 1985 and 1986, 1984 had the last stretches of old, worn-out 70s series like The Jeffersons, Happy Days, and Three's Company. By 1985 and 1986, nof only were all of the 1984 premieres on air for the entirety of their respective years, they had also established their footing in popular culture, as well.

Some huge songs from 1984, while not completely 70s, don't totally epitomize the 80s, either. Phil Collins' "Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now)," Lionel Richie's "Stuck on You" and "Hello," and Paul McCartney's "No More Lonely Nights" (the original ballad, not the dance remix) are all examples of tracks that, while not out of place in their decade, really aren't as obviously tailored for the 80s as say, "One More Night," "Say You, Say Me," or "Press."

Even the socioeconomic climate of 1984, while certainly within 80s territory during Reagan's reelection campaign, hadn't gotten to its absolute height of greed is good or corporations running seemingly everything about the media. Yuppies were around, but not as common as they were by '86. Gorby wasn't even the Soviet Premier yet.


If 1984 isn't the quintessential 80's year, then I would probably go with 1987 instead. I know what you're probably going to say, "How could that be the peak of the 80's when there were 90's trends coming in" etc. But 1987, I think despite the emergence of a few 90's-ish things (like alt rock, hardcore rap, etc) could easily pass as the peak 80's year. Why? Like 1984, it produced some of the most well known songs and movies of the era with stuff like: Never Gonna Give You Up, I Wanna Damce With Somebody, Heaven Is A Place On Earth, Bad, Welcome To The Jungle etc and for movies there were Fatal Attraction, Stakeout, Beverley Hills Cop II, Wall Street, RoboCop, Dirty Dancing, Predator, Lethal Weapon etc and as a year it seemed to have all the trends of the early, mid and late 80's all at once with new jack swing, synthpop, adult contempary, hair metal, hi-NRG and rap. 1987 is in some ways very similar to 1969 because many would argue that was the quintessential 60's year because of Woodstock, but that year had the first glimpses of 70's culture with the emergence of funk, Sly Stone and Led Zeppelin. Not only that, but 1987 and '69 are both tied as two of the greatest years in music history.

If 1984 isn't the quintessential 80's year, then I would probably go with 1987 instead. I know what you're probably going to say, "How could that be the peak of the 80's when there were 90's trends coming in" etc. But 1987, I think despite the emergence of a few 90's-ish things (like alt rock, hardcore rap, etc) could easily pass as the peak 80's year. Why? Like 1984, it produced some of the most well known songs and movies of the era with stuff like: Never Gonna Give You Up, I Wanna Damce With Somebody, Heaven Is A Place On Earth, Bad, Welcome To The Jungle etc and for movies there were Fatal Attraction, Stakeout, Beverley Hills Cop II, Wall Street, RoboCop, Dirty Dancing, Predator, Lethal Weapon etc and as a year it seemed to have all the trends of the early, mid and late 80's all at once with new jack swing, synthpop, adult contempary, hair metal, hi-NRG and rap. 1987 is in some ways very similar to 1969 because many would argue that was the quintessential 60's year because of Woodstock, but that year had the first glimpses of 70's culture with the emergence of funk, Sly Stone and Led Zeppelin. Not only that, but 1987 and '69 are both considered two of the greatest years in music history.


Once again, your definition of "quintessential" seems to be competely different from what I thought this thread was shooting for. Your choice of 1984 and 1987 is clearly based strictly on personal preference, that 1985 and 1986 were supposedly more forgettable years by comparison, even though by logical definition, sandwiching those two years in-between your #1 and #2 choices would not make any sense if we were going strictly by how 80s their environments were, not simply by which years had the debuts of the highest number of movies, television shows, and albums you consider the best.

Wait..you guys are talking about which is the "quintenssial '80s year" on a thread titled "The '90s-ness of the '90s Years" ;D ;D ;D.

Once again, your definition of "quintessential" seems to be competely different from what I thought this thread was shooting for. Your choice of 1984 and 1987 is clearly based strictly on personal preference, that 1985 and 1986 were supposedly more forgettable years by comparison, even though by logical definition, sandwiching those two years in-between your #1 and #2 choices would not make any sense if we were going strictly by how 80s their environments were, not simply by which years had the debuts of the highest number of movies, television shows, and albums you consider the best.


What do you mean by how 80's their environments were? I don't base them on what I like, I just think the films and songs I list for those years are popular for that decade. People usually define the quintessential year of a cultural decade by film, music and cultural events and it seemed 1984 and 1987 produced a lot of the most famous movies and songs of the decade. I think 1985 and 1986 had slightly less than those aforementioned years so that's why I didn't mention them. Some of the films and songs I mentioned I don't even like.

What do you mean by how 80's their environments were? I don't base them on what I like, I just think the films and songs I list for those years are popular for that decade. People usually define the quintessential year of a cultural decade by film, music and cultural events and it seemed 1984 and 1987 produced a lot of the most famous movies and songs of the decade. I think 1985 and 1986 had slightly less than those aforementioned years so that's why I didn't mention them. Some of the films and songs I mentioned I don't even like.

Which ones?

What do you mean by how 80's their environments were? I don't base them on what I like, I just think the films and songs I list for those years are popular for that decade. People usually define the quintessential year of a cultural decade by film, music and cultural events and it seemed 1984 and 1987 produced a lot of the most famous movies and songs of the decade. I think 1985 and 1986 had slightly less than those aforementioned years so that's why I didn't mention them. Some of the films and songs I mentioned I don't even like.


Percentage-wise, 1985 and 1986 were more 80s than 1984 and 1987, for the reasons I listed earlier. Even you listed 1985 as being 100% 80s and 1987 only 90% 80s, 10% 90s.

1984 may have produced a lot of hugely memorable culture, but that same culture was still relevant in some form during 1985 and 1986, as well. Born in the USA, Reckless, Beverly Hills Cop sountrack, etc. were still producing hit singles in 1985, and shows that debuted in 1984 were still on the air and/or in their peak in 1985 and 1986. Regardless of how likable the new culture was in 1985 and 1986, those two years still had pretty much the most undiluted 80s atmosphere possible.

Percentage-wise, 1985 and 1986 were more 80s than 1984 and 1987, for the reasons I listed earlier. Even you listed 1985 as being 100% 80s and 1987 only 90% 80s, 10% 90s.

1984 may have produced a lot of hugely memorable culture, but that same culture was still relevant in some form during 1985 and 1986, as well. Born in the USA, Reckless, Beverly Hills Cop sountrack, etc. were still producing hit singles in 1985, and shows that debuted in 1984 were still on the air and/or in their peak in 1985 and 1986. Regardless of how likable the new culture was in 1985 and 1986, those two years still had pretty much the most undiluted 80s atmosphere possible.


So by stating this how is 1984 not 100%?

So by stating this how is 1984 not 100%?


* Happy Days, The Jeffersons, Three's Company are still on television.
* Some songs still follow the soft, conventional, somewhat acoustic style that makes them sound not too distant from late 70s music. The songs from 1984 I listed are not full-on 80s.
* Fashion is developing its 80s identity, but is still not completely permy, mullety, or hairsprayed as would be the case during the second half of the decade. 1984 fashion is sort of caught in-between the neutral, post-70s 1983 styles and the MTV look that defined the 1980s.
* Technologically, cassettes are only marginally more popular than vinyl records and are not yet at the height of their popularity like they would be later in the 80s.

I would say 1986 was 5% 90's because this year was when "Walk This Way" became popular and brought significant new attention to rap music. While it may still have been stylistically 80's rap music, the fact that rap had gained top 40 chart success in that year was a stylistic contrast to the rest of the decade. New jack swing also first became recognised this year with Janet Jackson's Control album, flat top haircuts first started to appear and CDs were becoming popular.


- Schoolly D (among others) began sporting flat top haircuts in late '84/1985
- CD's got their first big boost when Dire Strait's Brothers in Arms came out in early '85, even Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA and Madonna's Like a Virigin were hot sellers on CD beginning in '85
- Chaka Khan and New Edition had two big hits (I Feel For You and Cool it Now, respectively) in late 84/early 85 which were not only top 40 rap hits but they mended rap together with RnB and pop music in ways that were seldom done before. Rock based rap is mostly an 80's thing (aside from nu metal in the late 90's/early 00's) but pop-rnb-rap is one of the quintessential crossover genres of the 90's. Arguably, those two songs (among others, of course) laid the groundwork for the 90's sound
- Diana Ross' Eaten Alive from 1985, while it wasn't that big of a commercial success, featured many songs that were pretty new jack swing sounding

Late 1984 is 100% peak 80's but up until the middle of the year, the decade still had some setting up to do. 1985 and 1986 are the most important years of the decade, if you ask me.

I would always break it down by school years, as culture seems to change more in the spring to fall stretch.

1989-90: 89-90% '80s, vast majority of popular culture still evokes that decade... as one would expect
1990-91: 55% '80s, that decade's cultural trends generally still hanging on but newer trends becoming more visible
1991-92: 60% '90s, probably the switchover to where things evoke the new decade more firmly than not, but plenty of '80s culture lingers
1992-93: 80% '90s, the last time where '80s culture had some visible relevance but distinctly new culture had by then firmly taken over
1993-94: 90% '90s, arguably the creative peak of the new decade for film/music, as '80s trends are nearly completely scrubbed
1994-95: 99% '90s, perhaps the last point where any semblance of the '80s maybe lingers a tad
1995-96: 100% '90s, there's no mistaking this time for any other decade
1996-97; 100% '90s, ditto
1997-98: 95% '90s, the newfound importance of the internet starts to blur the lines with the aughts a little
1998-99: 90% '90s, a bit more so here
1999-00: 85% '90s, and a bit more so here, as the '90s fade quite gradually at first

I would always break it down by school years, as culture seems to change more in the spring to fall stretch.

1989-90: 89-90% '80s, vast majority of popular culture still evokes that decade... as one would expect
1990-91: 55% '80s, that decade's cultural trends generally still hanging on but newer trends becoming more visible
1991-92: 60% '90s, probably the switchover to where things evoke the new decade more firmly than not, but plenty of '80s culture lingers
1992-93: 80% '90s, the last time where '80s culture had some visible relevance but distinctly new culture had by then firmly taken over
1993-94: 90% '90s, arguably the creative peak of the new decade for film/music, as '80s trends are nearly completely scrubbed
1994-95: 99% '90s, perhaps the last point where any semblance of the '80s maybe lingers a tad
1995-96: 100% '90s, there's no mistaking this time for any other decade
1996-97; 100% '90s, ditto
1997-98: 95% '90s, the newfound importance of the internet starts to blur the lines with the aughts a little
1998-99: 90% '90s, a bit more so here
1999-00: 85% '90s, and a bit more so here, as the '90s fade quite gradually at first


I wouldn't say 1999 was that 90's, since that year saw teen pop explode into the mainstream which began the Y2K era. You could even make the case that 1999 was the start of the 2000s zeitgeist.

To be honest, when I look at 1999....it has more similarities with the mid '90s than mid '00s. I look at videos of '99 and pictures and most average people didn't wear the fancy and shiny clothes that is associated with 1999 and the Y2K countdown. Most people still looked as they did from at least 1996 and it was mostly celebrities who dressed in the fancy, shiny way. Also, despite the popularity of teen pop and Latin pop in 1999...1999 shares more similarities with the rest of the '90s than '00s. Of course, at the end of the day...the '90s zeitgeist was long gone by 1999 but I still think that it was a slightly majority culturally '90s year (like 55% '90s, 45% '00s). I know that my opinion is unpopular but that's just what I think and I just recently developed this opinion, lol :P.

To be honest, when I look at 1999....it has more similarities with the mid '90s than mid '00s. I look at videos of '99 and pic and most average people didn't wear the fancy and shiny clothes that is associated with 1999 and the Y2K countdown. Most people still looked as they did from at least 1996 and it was mostly celebrities who dressed in the fancy, shiny way. Also, despite the popularity of teen pop and Latin pop in 1999...1999 shares more similarities with the rest of the '90s than '00s. Of course, at the end of the day...the '90s zeitgeist was long gone by 1999 but I still think that it was a slightly majority culturally '90s year (like 55% '90s, 45% '00s). I know that my opinion is unpopular but that's just what I think and I just recently developed this opinion, lol :P.


Well really I think the Y2K era of 1999-2002 is sort of an era of its own and doesn't belong to neither the 90's or 00's. Course, you could make the same case for 1988-1991 as the bush 41 era and 1979-1981 the post 70s/pre 80s era, but in those years the culture of the former decades were the still the majority. But in 1999 all the main facets of 90's culture were gone and were replaced by teen pop, yet teen pop itself is not really a trend of the 2000's either.

Well really I think the Y2K era of 1999-2002 is sort of an era of its own and doesn't belong to neither the 90's or 00's. Course, you could make the same case for 1988-1991 as the bush 41 era and 1979-1981 the post 70s/pre 80s era, but in those years the culture of the former decades were the still the majority. But in 1999 all the main facets of 90's culture were gone and were replaced by teen pop, yet teen pop itself is not really a trend of the 2000's either.


For the most part, Y2K era teen pop leans much more towards the 90s than the 2000s. Even though it wasn't quite as popular in the United States during the mid-90s, it was nonetheless present throughout the entire decade. However, beginning with Avril Lavigne and then extending to acts like Hilary Duff, Ashlee Simpson, and the Jonas Brothers, teen pop in the 2000s trended much more towards pop rock, a huge contrast to the hip hop, r&b, eurodance, and new jack swing influences that dominated the genre from 1988 to 2002.

Here's a year-by-year anthology of teen pop during the 1990s, prior to its commercial peak during the Y2K era:

1990:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay6GjmiJTPM

1991:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO6BtpIzIiM

1992:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKLnifIvnDQ

1993:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZ3XbxCRZs

1994:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-3PaXdstI

1995:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec_EltnJx3A

1996:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhkrkyxUyfQ

1997:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhWEI6-_w9E

1998:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_XI_290cfw

Well really I think the Y2K era of 1999-2002 is sort of an era of its own and doesn't belong to neither the 90's or 00's. Course, you could make the same case for 1988-1991 as the bush 41 era and 1979-1981 the post 70s/pre 80s era, but in those years the culture of the former decades were the still the majority. But in 1999 all the main facets of 90's culture were gone and were replaced by teen pop, yet teen pop itself is not really a trend of the 2000's either.

True..what you said is true.

However, 1999 is not the same as 2002 or even 2001. Many things about the world were gone or not the same in 2001 and 2002 that were a thing in 1999.

I agree with #Infinity though :P.

I wouldn't say 1999 was that 90's, since that year saw teen pop explode into the mainstream which began the Y2K era. You could even make the case that 1999 was the start of the 2000s zeitgeist.



I wouldn't say teen pop was inherently a staple of the '00s, since it fell off so hard after 2001 or so and was already fairly ubiquitous in 1997-98. That Y2K-style teen pop felt really old school within a handful of years.

1999 had a booming economy and of course solidly pre-dates 9/11, and looking back I think the fashions from that year were generally also looking a bit dated by 2003-04. I think it fits in solidly with the rest of the late '90s, main differences being the further and at that point rapid advancement of the internet/cell phones/HD technology which gave it a more '00s cultural angle.

I wouldn't say teen pop was inherently a staple of the '00s, since it fell off so hard after 2001 or so and was already fairly ubiquitous in 1997-98. That Y2K-style teen pop felt really old school within a handful of years.

Yeah, I remember Oops!...I Did It Again, Black & Blue, etc. seeming like they were from a totally bygone era even by late 2002. It seemed by then that the majority of teen pop acts by then had either gone down a more hip hop route, like Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears did, or they ultimately treaded more towards pop rock, like the Backstreet Boys did with their 2005 comeback.

In America, 1999 was the peak of album sales. I guess once something hits a peak, it's like it has to go down, or something along those lines.  :(  :(  :(

But that doesn't mean it won't go up again, one day. We just don't know when!

I would always break it down by school years, as culture seems to change more in the spring to fall stretch.

1989-90: 89-90% '80s, vast majority of popular culture still evokes that decade... as one would expect
1990-91: 55% '80s, that decade's cultural trends generally still hanging on but newer trends becoming more visible
1991-92: 60% '90s, probably the switchover to where things evoke the new decade more firmly than not, but plenty of '80s culture lingers
1992-93: 80% '90s, the last time where '80s culture had some visible relevance but distinctly new culture had by then firmly taken over
1993-94: 90% '90s, arguably the creative peak of the new decade for film/music, as '80s trends are nearly completely scrubbed
1994-95: 99% '90s, perhaps the last point where any semblance of the '80s maybe lingers a tad
1995-96: 100% '90s, there's no mistaking this time for any other decade
1996-97; 100% '90s, ditto
1997-98: 95% '90s, the newfound importance of the internet starts to blur the lines with the aughts a little
1998-99: 90% '90s, a bit more so here
1999-00: 85% '90s, and a bit more so here, as the '90s fade quite gradually at first


A redo of that list in terms of how much closer we were to the 2000s in the 1990s:

1989-1990: 10% (The Simpsons tv show, Burger King Kids Club, Baby Blues comic strip, Photoshop, Kid Cuisine)

1990-1991: 45% (Bath and Body Works, Beverly Hills 90210, Law and Order, Disney Adventures, GPS, the character Shrek, Saturn cars, Super Soaker, the character Sonic the Hedgehog)

1991-1992: 60% (Lollapolooza, Planet Hollywood, Fruit by the Foot, Gushers, Sun Chips, Terminator sequels, John Singleton films,Nicktoons, Talk Soup, The Jerry Springer Show, Barney and Friends, The Real World)

1992-1993: 80%  (Sagging your jeans, K’Nex, Snackwells, Bruce Timm cartoons, Sci-Fi channel, Cartoon Network, first Quentin Tarantino movie, Home Alone sequels, Bill Clinton as President, Taco Bell chihuahua)

1993-1994: 90% (Power Rangers, Julius Caesar haircuts, TNBC, The X-Files, NYPD Blue, Beanie Babies, Magic the Gathering cards,  Leprechaun sequels, Old Navy, Mark Wahlberg movies)

1994-1995: 99% (Friends, ER, Kevin Smith films, first OJ Simpson trial, Spawn action figures, George Foreman grills, comedy films written by Adam Sandler, Yahoo)

1995-1996: 99.30% (PlayStation, Toy Story, modern looking CGI M&Ms spokespersons, The WB, eBay, Ice Breakers gum)


1996-1997: 99.67% (Tickle Me Elmo dolls, TV parental guidelines, Everybody Loves Raymond, The Crocodile Hunter, DVD players, Jurassic Park movie sequels, King of the Hill, Austin Powers, Tamagotchi, Surge soda)

1997-1998: 99.99% (Men In Black, Lilith Fair, South Park, Behind the Music, Viagra, Teletubbies, Red Bull hits the US, Tech Decks)

1998-1999: 100% (Lindsay Lohan films, first Britney Spears music video, Sex in the City, Blade, Urban Legend, Will and Grace, King of Queens, American Pokèmon TCG, Furby, Star Wars prequel teaser, American copy of Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone)

1999-2000: Living in the 2000s already

I found these High School class photos on Google Images that show the evolution of 90s fashion very well

1990
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1990_high.jpg

1991
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1991_high.jpg

1992
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1992_high.jpg

1993
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1993_high.jpg

1994
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1994_high.jpg

1995
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1995_high.jpg

1996
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1996_high.jpg

1997
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1997_high.jpg

1998
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1998_high.jpg

1999
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1999_high.jpg

Give me your opinions on these photos?

What percentage 80s and 90s would you rank these?

I found these High School class photos on Google Images that show the evolution of 90s fashion very well

1990
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1990_high.jpg

1991
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1991_high.jpg

1992
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1992_high.jpg

1993
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1993_high.jpg

1994
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1994_high.jpg

1995
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1995_high.jpg

1996
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1996_high.jpg

1997
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1997_high.jpg

1998
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1998_high.jpg

1999
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1999_high.jpg

Give me your opinions on these photos?

What percentage 80s and 90s would you rank these?

1990-1993 look basically the same.

1994-1999 look very similar with only slight differences.

I found these High School class photos on Google Images that show the evolution of 90s fashion very well

1990
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1990_high.jpg

1991
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1991_high.jpg

1992
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1992_high.jpg

1993
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1993_high.jpg

1994
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1994_high.jpg

1995
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1995_high.jpg

1996
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1996_high.jpg

1997
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1997_high.jpg

1998
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1998_high.jpg

1999
http://www.waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/1999_high.jpg

Give me your opinions on these photos?

What percentage 80s and 90s would you rank these?

i remember when i was trying to find my mothers class of '96 year book and when i found it everything looked interesting. And my mother being young also lol.

1990-1993 look basically the same.

1994-1999 look very similar with only slight differences.


1993 looks pretty different, the big bushy hair of the 80's was gone.

1993 looks pretty different, the big bushy hair of the 80's was gone.


Yup, just looking at those pictures, 1993 seems like a big change from 1992.