When do you think the peak of '70s nostalgia was? I'm going to say about late 1997-mid 1998, when the mid-'90s was turning into the late '90s. Boogie Nights, The Ice Storm, Slums of Beverly Hills, and Jackie Brown were that year, I remember smiley faces and bellbottoms coming back in style even in 2nd grade, and That '70s Show premiered in late August 1998. Also, techno and rave were huge then (really disco reduxes), and so were afros. I think the beginning of serious '70s nostalgia was Dazed and Confused in 1993.

Hit the nail on the head, it started with Dazed and Confused, but D & C was celebrating pre disco 70's nostalgia. It was set at the start of the summer of 1976, just before disco started to creep into the mainstream. It was still the arena rock days. Aerosmith, Frampton, Zep, Foghat, America's bicentennial etc. warm summer nights drinking beer, smoking pot, sex is still safe, relaxed attitudes...those sort of 70's.

D & C came out in 1993, where there was more neo hippies and late 60's nostalgia (In 1994 you would have Woodstock II, as well as a Beatles reunion in 1995) I associate the seventies nostalgia of the late 90's as more disco nostalgia.

Yeah. 1998 roughly was the peak of 70's nostalgia.

Hit the nail on the head, it started with Dazed and Confused, but D & C was celebrating pre disco 70's nostalgia. It was set at the start of the summer of 1976, just before disco started to creep into the mainstream. It was still the arena rock days. Aerosmith, Frampton, Zep, Foghat, America's bicentennial etc. warm summer nights drinking beer, smoking pot, sex is still safe, relaxed attitudes...those sort of 70's.

D & C came out in 1993, where there was more neo hippies and late 60's nostalgia (In 1994 you would have Woodstock II, as well as a Beatles reunion in 1995) I associate the seventies nostalgia of the late 90's as more disco nostalgia.


There were actually a fair amount of neo-hippies in the late '80s and '90s, all through the decade, with them following bands like Phish and Blues Traveler. The seventies nostalgia of the mid-'90s, like 1993-1996 or so, was more focused on the aforementioned "arena" rock sort of '70s, the late '90s included disco too, though the Osmonds/Foghat era was still referred to in some of those aforementioned movies. I think '90s teens saw the '70s as a way to channel their own experiences.

Something that amazes me is how recent the '70s were in the early '90s? What time is there between say 1992 and 1978, like 14 years? That's the same amount of time as 1992 to now.

Sounds about right.

Two favorite little-discussed 70s retro movies were dick (1996, just a goofy comedy but very clever, I thought) and jesus's son (1999).

I'd say the '70s nostalgia actually occured between 1993-1996. In 1993 I totally felt that "'70s" feel. They were trying to bring back a lot of '70s fads - clothes, hairstyles, etc. We probably shouldn't consider "hippies" with the '70s as that's really something that's more rooted in the '60s. Hippies were kinda out in the mid to late '70s. But, in the '90s, the '70s were like how the '80s are to us now. It was a fairly a long time ago, but not too long to recall most of it as if it were yesterday. Of course, I didn't live in the '70s, but I felt the vibe more then than I do now. In the '80s, the '60s and '70s were more popular (although there was quite a backlash of '70s stuff in the '80s, a good portion of that feeling hung around quite a bit)

I'd say the '70s nostalgia actually occured between 1993-1996. In 1993 I totally felt that "'70s" feel. They were trying to bring back a lot of '70s fads - clothes, hairstyles, etc. We probably shouldn't consider "hippies" with the '70s as that's really something that's more rooted in the '60s. Hippies were kinda out in the mid to late '70s. But, in the '90s, the '70s were like how the '80s are to us now. It was a fairly a long time ago, but not too long to recall most of it as if it were yesterday. Of course, I didn't live in the '70s, but I felt the vibe more then than I do now. In the '80s, the '60s and '70s were more popular (although there was quite a backlash of '70s stuff in the '80s, a good portion of that feeling hung around quite a bit)


Up even as late as 1996 the '90s still felt a little like the '80s, based on what I remember. Not the pop culture, but the feel, technology, and lifestyle.  1997+ was when everything really became wired.

Up even as late as 1996 the '90s still felt a little like the '80s, based on what I remember. Not the pop culture, but the feel, technology, and lifestyle.  1997+ was when everything really became wired.


Again, 1997 still felt too recent to think of the '80s as being "far" away. Yet, jump another ten years and yowzers, it's like - Whoa, where did the time go. But, in 1997, I think the '80s feeling felt that way because it really was only 8 years away from that time. It's kinda like how we're analyzing how much the '00s hasn't really become it's "own" because it has such a strong '90s influence to it still - although that's somewhat fading away.

Again, 1997 still felt too recent to think of the '80s as being "far" away. Yet, jump another ten years and yowzers, it's like - Whoa, where did the time go. But, in 1997, I think the '80s feeling felt that way because it really was only 8 years away from that time. It's kinda like how we're analyzing how much the '00s hasn't really become it's "own" because it has such a strong '90s influence to it still - although that's somewhat fading away.


Yeah, the residual '90s influence that was there through 2002-2003 is almost gone.

I think people forget how many generic holdovers there always are, like stuff like Starship and alot of the '80s A/C that was just an "updated" '70s sound. I think up to 1997-1998, the '90s still felt a little '80s.

Something that amazes me is how recent the '70s were in the early '90s? What time is there between say 1992 and 1978, like 14 years? That's the same amount of time as 1992 to now.


That's something that still amazes me.

From 1990 to 2006 is 16 years, the same time from 1974 to 1990!! In 1974, Led Zep were still bangin' out stadium rock at the MSG, the Vietnam War was still on, colour tv had not yet arrived in Oz. Whereas 1990 is sort of the same 'era' to me as 2006 because they are both within my lifetime. 1990 is alot older than it seems.

That's something that still amazes me.

From 1990 to 2006 is 16 years, the same time from 1974 to 1990!! In 1974, Led Zep were still bangin' out stadium rock at the MSG, the Vietnam War was still on, colour tv had not yet arrived in Oz. Whereas 1990 is sort of the same 'era' to me as 2006 because they are both within my lifetime. 1990 is alot older than it seems.


Would you say 1990 is actually as similar to 1974 as it is to 1990? I actually would.

Would you say 1990 is actually as similar to 1974 as it is to 1990? I actually would.


You mean 1990 is as similar to 1974 as to 2006?

At first glance I would've said No way, definitely not. But on closer inspection, 1990's retroness becomes apparent. Just can't believe it's halfway to 1974!

You mean 1990 is as similar to 1974 as to 2006?

At first glance I would've said No way, definitely not. But on closer inspection, 1990's retroness becomes apparent. Just can't believe it's halfway to 1974!


Well 1990 is after all almost 20 years ago ... like I've said it the '80s was shifted a year, it's stereotype would not change at all ... in fact it might be reinforced.

Well 1990 is after all almost 20 years ago ... like I've said it the '80s was shifted a year, it's stereotype would not change at all ... in fact it might be reinforced.


Years don't really mean anything. They're just there to measure time. Pop-culture works on an entirely different plane to chronology.

Years don't really mean anything. They're just there to measure time. Pop-culture works on an entirely different plane to chronology.


Definitely ... for instance the '80s are much, much more like now than the '60s.

Definitely ... for instance the '80s are much, much more like now than the '60s.


Yeah, cos everything moved so fast in the 60s and 70s. Can you imagine the difference between 1963 to 1967??? In a mere four years, from early Mo-town, vocal groups to Jimi Hendrix, the Grateful Dead and stoner music. It's as if New Wave happened in 2000 - that's how big a difference it was.

Yeah, cos everything moved so fast in the 60s and 70s. Can you imagine the difference between 1963 to 1967??? In a mere four years, from early Mo-town, vocal groups to Jimi Hendrix, the Grateful Dead and stoner music. It's as if New Wave happened in 2000 - that's how big a difference it was.


Oh yeah ... the '60s were amazing. The '70s were, IMO, a half-assed '60s, combined with '80s greed. I hate the '70s. My favorite decade are the '60s, '80s, and '90s.

Oh yeah ... the '60s were amazing. The '70s were, IMO, a half-assed '60s, combined with '80s greed. I hate the '70s. My favorite decade are the '60s, '80s, and '90s.


I think the 70s gets almost a bed rep as the 80s. Sure it was bad, but how can you not like a decade which gave us Blaxploitation, the Martial Arts craze, the best movies EVER, Disco, the beginnings of New Wave, the best horror movies. the 70s was Pop culture gold, or pop culture nirvana!

I think the 70s gets almost a bed rep as the 80s. Sure it was bad, but how can you not like a decade which gave us Blaxploitation, the Martial Arts craze, the best movies EVER, Disco, the beginnings of New Wave, the best horror movies. the 70s was Pop culture gold, or pop culture nirvana!


They had their ups ... it just seems like the good things about the '70s were glorified during the '90s, and all the crappy things about them weren't mentioned. 

They had their ups ... it just seems like the good things about the '70s were glorified during the '90s, and all the crappy things about them weren't mentioned. 


The 70s has had its fair share of spoofing. 'That 70s Show' is sort of a 70s spoof. And all those parodies of the Bradie Bunch, 70s pop-star phenomena. ABBA and Disco always gets 'cheapened.' If you've watched many movies made and set in the 70s, you definitely won't miss the dark underberry of the era. 'Badlands,' 'Taxi Driver', 'Shaft' are just some examples. There was a darkness about the 70s which in some way made the Disco and neon lights look even more glamorous.

The 70s has had its fair share of spoofing. 'That 70s Show' is sort of a 70s spoof. And all those parodies of the Bradie Bunch, 70s pop-star phenomena. ABBA and Disco always gets 'cheapened.' If you've watched many movies made and set in the 70s, you definitely won't miss the dark underberry of the era. 'Badlands,' 'Taxi Driver', 'Shaft' are just some examples. There was a darkness about the 70s which in some way made the Disco and neon lights look even more glamorous.



Did the '70s have uber-gore like the '90s (i.e. flying organs), etc?

Did the '70s have uber-gore like the '90s (i.e. flying organs), etc?


Yes, it did, and though the technology was of course inferior, I think the goriness looked less cartoony. Also the 'shock value' was greater due to the era.

Apart from well known shows such as 'Dirty Harry', 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre', there were B-movies like 'Death Race 2000' and 'Dawn of the Dead' (both R-Rated). DR2000 is pretty bad; tires crushing heads resulting in blood spraying everywhere, being gored by horns between the legs. Pretty gross stuff.

Yes, it did, and though the technology was of course inferior, I think the goriness looked less cartoony. Also the 'shock value' was greater due to the era.

Apart from well known shows such as 'Dirty Harry', 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre', there were B-movies like 'Death Race 2000' and 'Dawn of the Dead' (both R-Rated). DR2000 is pretty bad; tires crushing heads resulting in blood spraying everywhere, being gored by horns between the legs. Pretty gross stuff.


Not on TV like in the '90s though, right? Although I will say even in the '90s gory television was pretty rare.

Not on TV like in the '90s though, right? Although I will say even in the '90s gory television was pretty rare.


Real gory TV is still quite rare - here some 'tame' R-Rated movies like 'Scarface' may be slightly edited (e.g. for the TV version they edited out the infamous 'Chainsaw in the Shower' scene), but overall TV violence - like TV sex - is pretty tame. The only area where the tube holds its own is coarse language.

Real gory TV is still quite rare - here some 'tame' R-Rated movies like 'Scarface' may be slightly edited (e.g. for the TV version they edited out the infamous 'Chainsaw in the Shower' scene), but overall TV violence - like TV sex - is pretty tame. The only area where the tube holds its own is coarse language.


Oh yeah ... very few TV shows are actually gory ... was there a censorship loosening in the '90s? I always thought there was, but I only rarely hear mention of it.

Oh yeah ... very few TV shows are actually gory ... was there a censorship loosening in the '90s? I always thought there was, but I only rarely hear mention of it.


I don't think there was any censorship loosening at all. It's just all hot air, AFAIC.

I don't think there was any censorship loosening at all. It's just all hot air, AFAIC.


Interesting.

I wonder if there were two '70s nostalgias.' The nostalgia for the early 70s classic rock, Brady Bunch, MASH, Partridge Family sort of world, and another nostalgia for the grittiness of Sex Pistols.etc. I remember seeing alot of re-runs of 60s and 70s shows in the 90s on free-to-air TV like M.A.S.H., Brady Bunch, Bewitched, Get Smart.etc, which have all disappeared. I think late 70s nostalgia - the Pistols/Ramones - is still strong. Sort of the same as 80s nostalgia.

I wonder if there were two '70s nostalgias.' The nostalgia for the early 70s classic rock, Brady Bunch, MASH, Partridge Family sort of world, and another nostalgia for the grittiness of Sex Pistols.etc. I remember seeing alot of re-runs of 60s and 70s shows in the 90s on free-to-air TV like M.A.S.H., Brady Bunch, Bewitched, Get Smart.etc, which have all disappeared. I think late 70s nostalgia - the Pistols/Ramones - is still strong. Sort of the same as 80s nostalgia.


There's two '70s - 1970-1974 and 1975-1978 (1979, IMO is part of the '80s).

There's two '70s - 1970-1974 and 1975-1978 (1979, IMO is part of the '80s).


I'd say 1971-1976 is 'early 70s', and 1976-1979 is 'late 70s.' I consider the turning point was 1976, when both Disco and Punk exploded almost simultaneously.

I'd say 1971-1976 is 'early 70s', and 1976-1979 is 'late 70s.' I consider the turning point was 1976, when both Disco and Punk exploded almost simultaneously.


Yeah 1975 is still "pseudo-'60s".

Yeah 1975 is still "pseudo-'60s".


At least we all agree that 1976 was the turning point between 'early 70s' and 'late 70s'!

At least we all agree that 1976 was the turning point between 'early 70s' and 'late 70s'!


Yes ... just like 1997 is the early/late '90s turning point, and 2006 is the early/late '00s turning point.

watergate and the fall of saigon really gouged a seam in the decade, happening in 74 and 75, respectively.

watergate and the fall of saigon really gouged a seam in the decade, happening in 74 and 75, respectively.


Yes Politically, but I doubt they'd have had much impact pop-culturally. Just like Sept. 11: a political divide, but hardly a pop-culture one.

Yes Politically, but I doubt they'd have had much impact pop-culturally. Just like Sept. 11: a political divide, but hardly a pop-culture one.


Ever noticed the STRIKING similarity between the Kent state shooting and the Boston Massacre?

Ever noticed the STRIKING similarity between the Kent state shooting and the Boston Massacre?


Hmm, don't really recall the Boston Massacre. Jog my memory. What year was it/what happened?

Hmm, don't really recall the Boston Massacre. Jog my memory. What year was it/what happened?


Oh it's American history. It occured I believe on May 5, 1770 (one day less than 200 years before the Kent State shooting).

American colonists, who were fed up with British occupation of the then-American colonies, started throwing things at armed British soldiers. In frustration the British soldiers killed several of the protestors (who were unarmed).

Oh it's American history. It occured I believe on May 5, 1770 (one day less than 200 years before the Kent State shooting).

American colonists, who were fed up with British occupation of the then-American colonies, started throwing things at armed British soldiers. In frustration the British soldiers killed several of the protestors (who were unarmed).


Was that the same as the Boston Tea Party? We didn't really learn American history in school.

Was that the same as the Boston Tea Party? We didn't really learn American history in school.


No it was a different event. The Tea Party happened in 1773, and did not involve slayings.

Yes ... just like 1997 is the early/late '90s turning point, and 2006 is the early/late '00s turning point.


I actually think 2007 is the late 00s turning point...but that's for another day  :)

I actually think 2007 is the late 00s turning point...but that's for another day  :)


or another thread ... make one! :)

or another thread ... make one! :)


Sorry, I don't want what's left of my reputation ruined just yet  ;) ;D. Maybe tommorow, since I've already posted bout 4 new topics today.

Sorry, I don't want what's left of my reputation ruined just yet  ;) ;D. Maybe tommorow, since I've already posted bout 4 new topics today.


I'll make it then ;)

I'll make it then ;)


I dunno, if you do that just about every thread on this board will be yours!  ;D ;D ;D Go ahead anyway...

I dunno, if you do that just about every thread on this board will be yours!  ;D ;D ;D Go ahead anyway...


Ain't that the truth  ;D

Would you say 1990 is actually as similar to 1974 as it is to 1990? I actually would.


Maybe in terms of tech, but I think people act basically the same as they did then.

Maybe in terms of tech, but I think people act basically the same as they did then.


Oh yeah for sure. The '70s was still formative in terms of modern mindset, ie sexism was still common up to about 1990.

Oh yeah for sure. The '70s was still formative in terms of modern mindset, ie sexism was still common up to about 1990.


Sexism's still common today. It's just less obvious and visible. Actually, the early 70s were the peak of the 'Women's lib' movement, which was strong throughout the 80s and early 90s before sort of dying down.

Sexism's still common today. It's just less obvious and visible. Actually, the early 70s were the peak of the 'Women's lib' movement, which was strong throughout the 80s and early 90s before sort of dying down.


Oh of course. But as far as rights go, it's almost reversed in some ways.