I'd say 1998-2001.

Well the actual late '90s is 1997-1999, but the late '90s "era" extends until 2001.

Well the actual late '90s is 1997-1999, but the late '90s "era" extends until 2001.


Yeah.  I think from a 2003 perspective, 2000, 2001, and even 1999 seem rather '00s, but since the "real '00s" came about around 2003 the pre-9/11 '00s fit in more with the late '90s than now.

Yeah.  I think from a 2003 perspective, 2000, 2001, and even 1999 seem rather '00s, but since the "real '00s" came about around 2003 the pre-9/11 '00s fit in more with the late '90s than now.


2001 and 1998 for example are quite different enviroments. 2001 was at the very least semi-'00s like, whereas 1998 it was still the '90s.

The late '90s was a period of change that fostered teen pop, post-grunge, nu metal, and crossover techno and country, and was a transition between the cultures of the '90s and '00s, while still being mostly '90s. There were some late '90s things like SP and teenybopper pop in 97-98, but the first really late '90s year was 98-99, and the last really late '90s year was 00-01. It wasn't all that long a period, and it's pretty centered around 99-00 (the Y2K period), though there were still some late '90sish things around to 01-02 in culture (9/11 and the mood were very early '00s, but alot of late '90s cultural things were still floating around in modified form, I suppose.)

2001 and 1998 for example are quite different enviroments. 2001 was at the very least semi-'00s like, whereas 1998 it was still the '90s.


Well, as a whole I think 2001 was more '00s, but since like it or not this is the "9/11" decade I think it makes sense to say the '90s lasted until 9/11 happened, in a non-literal way.  The year 2000 was more '90s-like than truly '00s, we still had Clinton, the boy bands, Chili Peppers, grunge fashion, etc. '01 was the merger year.

Well, as a whole I think 2001 was more '00s, but since like it or not this is the "9/11" decade I think it makes sense to say the '90s lasted until 9/11 happened, in a non-literal way.  The year 2000 was more '90s-like than truly '00s, we still had Clinton, the boy bands, Chili Peppers, grunge fashion, etc. '01 was the merger year.



Yeah, '01 was the merger year, though even that still had a residual '90s aftertaste and most '00s things were definitely not yet popular. It felt either like the very late '90s or very early '00s...you could still wear flannel and goth was still around, though. The '90s holdovers in an '00sified way lasted to 2003.

I'm pretty confident the late '90s began in 1997, when I started hearing about the new teen groups in the 2nd half of 4th grade I could sense a change even as a 10 year old.

The late '90s was a period of change that fostered teen pop, post-grunge, nu metal, and crossover techno and country, and was a transition between the cultures of the '90s and '00s, while still being mostly '90s. There were some late '90s things like SP and teenybopper pop in 97-98, but the first really late '90s year was 98-99, and the last really late '90s year was 00-01. It wasn't all that long a period, and it's pretty centered around 99-00 (the Y2K period), though there were still some late '90sish things around to 01-02 in culture (9/11 and the mood were very early '00s, but alot of late '90s cultural things were still floating around in modified form, I suppose.)


I think you really have to break it down.  1997 and 1998 were essentially a mix of the stuff popular in 1995 and 1996 and things that would take over in 1999.  1998 was the last year Nickelodeon was decent, and 1997 was the last year with Beavis and Butt-head and the first with South Park.  1999 was the absolute peak of the boyband/dot-com era.  2000 was similar to 1999, but with more proto-'00s things, like Survivor, Papa Roach, the Bush/Gore election, Nelly.  It was a little different from the actual late '90s, but I'd still say it was closer to that era than to the current one.  2001 was the merger year; musically it was like a hybrid between early/mid '00s and late '90s music, television-wise it was a fusion, as you had Reality, Spongebob, Lizzie McGuire, etc. but you still had a lot of classic '90s shows on the air.  Once 9/11 happened it was the '00s, although the '90s influence was probably heavy up to 2002 or even 2003.  I wouldn't say it was until 2004 that the '00s really became truly defineable.

I'm pretty confident the late '90s began in 1997, when I started hearing about the new teen groups in the 2nd half of 4th grade I could sense a change even as a 10 year old.


I'd say they begin in 1997, but the mid '90s didn't altogether depart until 1998.  Pop culturally speaking. 1997 was kind of both.

Two things really started the late '90s: Seinfeld being cancelled/OFF having its last decent season in 98-99, and Follow the Leader coming out in August 1998. SP was just an omen...

Two things really started the late '90s: Seinfeld being cancelled/OFF having its last decent season in 98-99, and Follow the Leader coming out in August 1998. SP was just an omen...


Yeah, Korn were really big around 1998.  1997 was an odd time, the entire year, not just January of that year changed things. 1998 was slower, but it sowed the seeds of 1999, when the late '90s really boomed.  Then late '90s culture sort of faded in the emo '00s era.  I wouldn't say it was 100% gone until 2005. The relative flop of the Backstreet Boys, at least in the States really proved that that era's finally behind us.

I'm getting tired just reading your posts...And I see alot of pink and purple...alternating  :D

I'm getting tired just reading your posts...And I see alot of pink and purple...alternating  :D


I'm obsessive, aren't I? And bored  :D

What time is it in Aussie now? It's 12:32 here in the western US.

Yeah, Korn were really big around 1998.  1997 was an odd time, the entire year, not just January of that year changed things. 1998 was slower, but it sowed the seeds of 1999, when the late '90s really boomed.  Then late '90s culture sort of faded in the emo '00s era.  I wouldn't say it was 100% gone until 2005. The relative flop of the Backstreet Boys, at least in the States really proved that that era's finally behind us.


Yeah, there isn't that much late '90s stuff that's still actually marketable today...the Backstreet Boys are a good example, but I think alot of the techno/country crossovers, while they would do decently well today, wouldn't get as far as they did.

I'm obsessive, aren't I? And bored  :D

What time is it in Aussie now? It's 12:32 here in the western US.


We're 8+ GMT, and I believe you're -8 GMT. So if there are no daylight saving differences, you're 16 hours behind us.

I chose 1997-1999. That's when the 90's began to transition the most. It's really hard to say that the late 90's was really the end of the 80's influence, because to me, that's when the 90's began - once the 80's began to officially be gone. It's hard to say when that was, but I'd say 1992 was the very last of what we saw of any 80's influence on the 90's. So about 5 years of the 90's were truly 90's. This  goes for most decades.

For example, in the 60's, 1962 was a far different world than it was in 1964. 1964 - EVERYTHING changed. The music, the general tone of the nation, etc.

I chose 1997-1999. That's when the 90's began to transition the most. It's really hard to say that the late 90's was really the end of the 80's influence, because to me, that's when the 90's began - once the 80's began to officially be gone. It's hard to say when that was, but I'd say 1992 was the very last of what we saw of any 80's influence on the 90's. So about 5 years of the 90's were truly 90's. This  goes for most decades.

For example, in the 60's, 1962 was a far different world than it was in 1964. 1964 - EVERYTHING changed. The music, the general tone of the nation, etc.


I think 1997 was the beginning of the transition, but it didn't symbolically stop being the mid-'90s until they pulled the plug on Seinfeld.

In short, I'd say the "late '90s" were Spring 1997-2002 (and maybe a teeny bit of early '03 -- now that I think about it, although I didn't really notice it as it was going on, '03 seemed to be a "changing" year - 2002 feels different than '04 for instance).


Yeah, Korn were really big around 1998.  1997 was an odd time, the entire year, not just January of that year changed things. 1998 was slower, but it sowed the seeds of 1999, when the late '90s really boomed.  Then late '90s culture sort of faded in the emo '00s era.  I wouldn't say it was 100% gone until 2005. The relative flop of the Backstreet Boys, at least in the States really proved that that era's finally behind us.


You know, even as late as 2002 and early '03 is starting to feel a little dated now (in a much more subtle way than 1982 to '85 for instance, but it's still there), much as I hate to say it. If BSB had their comeback then, it probably would've been bigger than it was by '05.

Even a song like "Complicated" by Avril Lavigne sounds like average "today's hits, yesterday's favorites"-radio material, as opposed to something current and cool.

In short, I'd say the "late '90s" were Spring 1997-2002 (and maybe a teeny bit of early '03 -- now that I think about it, although I didn't really notice it as it was going on, '03 seemed to be a "changing" year - 2002 feels different than '04 for instance).

You know, even as late as 2002 and early '03 is starting to feel a little dated now (in a much more subtle way than 1982 to '85 for instance, but it's still there), much as I hate to say it. If BSB had their comeback then, it probably would've been bigger than it was by '05.

Even a song like "Complicated" by Avril Lavigne sounds like average "today's hits, yesterday's favorites"-radio material, as opposed to something current and cool.


That 2001-early 03 timeperiod is certainly different from today, but it's not quite the late '90s either. I'd classify it as simply the early '00s as being distinct from the late '90s and the mid '00s. You're right about Complicated, it's A/C radio material nowadays, I've heard "Hot In Herre" on A/C radio nowadays as well. That seemed weird, lol. All of Pink's 2002 stuff is now A/C radio material as well.

In short, I'd say the "late '90s" were Spring 1997-2002 (and maybe a teeny bit of early '03 -- now that I think about it, although I didn't really notice it as it was going on, '03 seemed to be a "changing" year - 2002 feels different than '04 for instance).

You know, even as late as 2002 and early '03 is starting to feel a little dated now (in a much more subtle way than 1982 to '85 for instance, but it's still there), much as I hate to say it. If BSB had their comeback then, it probably would've been bigger than it was by '05.

Even a song like "Complicated" by Avril Lavigne sounds like average "today's hits, yesterday's favorites"-radio material, as opposed to something current and cool.


2003 was most definitely a change year...it was when emo culture got a name to most American teens, glam rap exploded into chart dominance, hipsters got out of Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and the '00s really began, IMO. "Complicated" and Pink, and Vanessa Carlton, and alot of 2002ish things were still big...I consider that stuff really second wave teen pop, like a revision of something late '90s, as opposed to something really new. The early '80s were sort of similar, in that they had alot of "revised" '70s things to be more '80s. The early '00s, like late 2001-early 2003, to about when 50 Cent got big, were definitely the '00s, but they were still very close to the late '90s and the '00s didn't fully have an identity yet.

I chose 1997-1999. That's when the 90's began to transition the most. It's really hard to say that the late 90's was really the end of the 80's influence, because to me, that's when the 90's began - once the 80's began to officially be gone. It's hard to say when that was, but I'd say 1992 was the very last of what we saw of any 80's influence on the 90's. So about 5 years of the 90's were truly 90's. This  goes for most decades.

For example, in the 60's, 1962 was a far different world than it was in 1964. 1964 - EVERYTHING changed. The music, the general tone of the nation, etc.


So, in this sense, would you say the years 1990 and 1991 are "Eighties", if not 1980s, if you know what I mean?  I see '90 as being '80s, pop culturally, and 1991 is the bridge year.


In short, I'd say the "late '90s" were Spring 1997-2002 (and maybe a teeny bit of early '03 -- now that I think about it, although I didn't really notice it as it was going on, '03 seemed to be a "changing" year - 2002 feels different than '04 for instance).

You know, even as late as 2002 and early '03 is starting to feel a little dated now (in a much more subtle way than 1982 to '85 for instance, but it's still there), much as I hate to say it. If BSB had their comeback then, it probably would've been bigger than it was by '05.

Even a song like "Complicated" by Avril Lavigne sounds like average "today's hits, yesterday's favorites"-radio material, as opposed to something current and cool.


I agree.  I'm not sure if I'd call it late '90s or early '00s, pop culturally.  I guess you could say 2001-2003 was the "1991" of the '90s/'00s.  On one hand, there was Reality TV, Spongebob, Bush, 9/11, very early crunk, etc., but you still had a lot of grungy-type rock, and while emo existed it didn't seemed to be thought of as emo yet by most people.  Also, it wasn't certain that teen pop/boybands were dead yet then, and "Friends", "Frasier", etc. were still on the air.

I'd say:

1997: 95% '90s, 5% '00s
1998: 90% '90s, 10% '00s
1999: 80% '90s, 20% '00s
2000: 60% '90s, 40% '00s
2001: 50% '90s, 50% '00s (overall, '00s, because of 9/11)
2002: 40% '90s, 60% '00s
2003: 30% '90s, 70% '00s
2004-2006: about 20% '90s

So, in this sense, would you say the years 1990 and 1991 are "Eighties", if not 1980s, if you know what I mean?  I see '90 as being '80s, pop culturally, and 1991 is the bridge year.

I agree.  I'm not sure if I'd call it late '90s or early '00s, pop culturally.  I guess you could say 2001-2003 was the "1991" of the '90s/'00s.  On one hand, there was Reality TV, Spongebob, Bush, 9/11, very early crunk, etc., but you still had a lot of grungy-type rock, and while emo existed it didn't seemed to be thought of as emo yet by most people.  Also, it wasn't certain that teen pop/boybands were dead yet then, and "Friends", "Frasier", etc. were still on the air.

I'd say:

1997: 95% '90s, 5% '00s
1998: 90% '90s, 10% '00s
1999: 80% '90s, 20% '00s
2000: 60% '90s, 40% '00s
2001: 50% '90s, 50% '00s (overall, '00s, because of 9/11)
2002: 40% '90s, 60% '00s
2003: 30% '90s, 70% '00s
2004-2006: about 20% '90s




Yes, I was actually listening to a compliation CD of songs from 1990 and they were very different from the songs of 1991. 1991 was VERY 1990's to me. I mean, growing up around that time, you never really take notice of that progression in the same sense as you do some 16 years later. But looking back, 1990 was still highly 1980's influenced. That may go for music, but some other cultural things may have progressed slower into the 90's, especially fashion. That really didn't turn 90's until maybe 1993.

Yes, I was actually listening to a compliation CD of songs from 1990 and they were very different from the songs of 1991. 1991 was VERY 1990's to me. I mean, growing up around that time, you never really take notice of that progression in the same sense as you do some 16 years later. But looking back, 1990 was still highly 1980's influenced. That may go for music, but some other cultural things may have progressed slower into the 90's, especially fashion. That really didn't turn 90's until maybe 1993.


I agree.

That's not to say that 1991 wasn't '80s-influenced also, but even the more peppy, '80s like songs of that year, like "Baby, Baby" by Amy Grant had a '90s feel.  1990 on the other hand was very late 1980s, musically speaking and otherwise.  You still had hair metal, synth pop, freestyle, ultra-old school rap, etc. in 1990.  A decade really can't happen in less than a year.  But 1991 is very '90s musically, even if really primitively so.  Still, it's not 1995, but it's very much the jumpstart of the '90s musical scene, especially after Grunge hit at the end of the year.

Early '90s fashion is essentially a form of 1980s fashion.  Really, it is.  It isn't until 1993-1994 that you got the ultra-boring styles of the '90s going in.  1990-1992 fashion was extremely campy. 

The late 90's "era" was roughly Early 1998-Mid 2001.

I agree.

That's not to say that 1991 wasn't '80s-influenced also, but even the more peppy, '80s like songs of that year, like "Baby, Baby" by Amy Grant had a '90s feel.  1990 on the other hand was very late 1980s, musically speaking and otherwise.  You still had hair metal, synth pop, freestyle, ultra-old school rap, etc. in 1990.  A decade really can't happen in less than a year.  But 1991 is very '90s musically, even if really primitively so.  Still, it's not 1995, but it's very much the jumpstart of the '90s musical scene, especially after Grunge hit at the end of the year.

Early '90s fashion is essentially a form of 1980s fashion.  Really, it is.  It isn't until 1993-1994 that you got the ultra-boring styles of the '90s going in.  1990-1992 fashion was extremely campy. 


I would agree for the most part. In 1990 and 1991, I wore more bright colors. The "Navy" look was stylish back around that time, like wearing whites and blues and looking like a cute little sailor. I had a few dresses that reflected that style. Then come 1992-1993, things started to become sort of 1970's influenced. That's when the 70's (sort of like how the 80's are now) became popular again. Birkenstocks were popular. The "Hippie" look was popular - like those baby doll dresses, tans and browns, folksy looking. I even owned my own pair of Birkenstocks and wore them A LOT. I loved them. So, I'd probably say the 90's style settled in somewhere between 1993-1994.

But, that would be off topic now...  :)

I agree.

That's not to say that 1991 wasn't '80s-influenced also, but even the more peppy, '80s like songs of that year, like "Baby, Baby" by Amy Grant had a '90s feel.  1990 on the other hand was very late 1980s, musically speaking and otherwise.  You still had hair metal, synth pop, freestyle, ultra-old school rap, etc. in 1990.  A decade really can't happen in less than a year.  But 1991 is very '90s musically, even if really primitively so.  Still, it's not 1995, but it's very much the jumpstart of the '90s musical scene, especially after Grunge hit at the end of the year.

Early '90s fashion is essentially a form of 1980s fashion.  Really, it is.  It isn't until 1993-1994 that you got the ultra-boring styles of the '90s going in.  1990-1992 fashion was extremely campy. 


I was listening to On the Edge, a compilation of alternapop like the Rembrandts, the Sundays, the Church, etc. and it's mostly 1989-1991, and largely sounds pretty '90s. Not 1997, but it could have even been 1994 or 1995. However, mainstream music felt very late '80s in 1990 and early 1991, I'd say. The non-mainstream music, like the hip-hop and alt rock, sounded '90sish as early as 1986 or 1987, honestly.

There's something very distinctive about 1989-1992 in fashion, like if you watch a very old episode of Seinfeld you'd get what I mean. Lots of angular edges, long jackets, colors like salmon and dark brown, funky neon patterns that look almost cartoonish, layers of patterns and dark colors, delicate silky material, sort of a "smooth" look, and materials like corduroy, sheen, etc., but without that very '80s-looking flair. And lots of big double-breasted jackets with big, dark colors covering them, but in more "'80s"-looking materials.

I was listening to On the Edge, a compilation of alternapop like the Rembrandts, the Sundays, the Church, etc. and it's mostly 1989-1991, and largely sounds pretty '90s. Not 1997, but it could have even been 1994 or 1995. However, mainstream music felt very late '80s in 1990 and early 1991, I'd say. The non-mainstream music, like the hip-hop and alt rock, sounded '90sish as early as 1986 or 1987, honestly.

There's something very distinctive about 1989-1992 in fashion, like if you watch a very old episode of Seinfeld you'd get what I mean. Lots of angular edges, long jackets, colors like salmon and dark brown, funky neon patterns that look almost cartoonish, layers of patterns and dark colors, delicate silky material, sort of a "smooth" look, and materials like corduroy, sheen, etc., but without that very '80s-looking flair. And lots of big double-breasted jackets with big, dark colors covering them, but in more "'80s"-looking materials.


The hairstyles of c. 1990 are like a very modest '80s.  The clothes are probably even dumber than '80s clothes, but the hair seems like very toned-town '80s.  Not "Rachel cut" '90s, but not crazy Cyndi Lauper hair either.

The hairstyles of c. 1990 are like a very modest '80s.  The clothes are probably even dumber than '80s clothes, but the hair seems like very toned-town '80s.  Not "Rachel cut" '90s, but not crazy Cyndi Lauper hair either.


It's like '80s...but brought down with alot of indications of the '90s. For example, I think that straight-up, middle-of-the-head ponytail with crazy, curly hair and cascading ringlets coming out of it is very 1990ish, and looks like a compromise between the two. And the "Elaine", that long, curly hair with a high top is similarly 1990ish. Already, the "Uma" cut and modified versions (short, almost straight bob with bangs and a slight curve) was floating around.

It's like '80s...but brought down with alot of indications of the '90s. For example, I think that straight-up, middle-of-the-head ponytail with crazy, curly hair and cascading ringlets coming out of it is very 1990ish, and looks like a compromise between the two. And the "Elaine", that long, curly hair with a high top is similarly 1990ish. Already, the "Uma" cut and modified versions (short, almost straight bob with bangs and a slight curve) was floating around.


Admit it, you just want to be more '90s  ;D

No seriously I agree.  1990, I guess was in some ways primitively '90s, but again I think it takes about 1 1/2-2 years for a decade to really seem anything unlike the decade that just ended.  1990 doesn't "scream" '80s like even 1988 would.

Admit it, you just want to be more '90s  ;D

No seriously I agree.  1990, I guess was in some ways primitively '90s, but again I think it takes about 1 1/2-2 years for a decade to really seem anything unlike the decade that just ended.  1990 doesn't "scream" '80s like even 1988 would.


To me 1990 is a part of the 80s...the 80s really only ended 'properly' about 93, being one of the most enduring of all decades. Primary in the fashion/pop culture department, certainly not in the music department. Whereas the 90s were short of cut-short by something, I feel they ended about 98.

To me 1990 is a part of the 80s...the 80s really only ended 'properly' about 93, being one of the most enduring of all decades. Primary in the fashion/pop culture department, certainly not in the music department. Whereas the 90s were short of cut-short by something, I feel they ended about 98.




I agree. Musically, I'd say the '80s is about late 1981 - early 1991.  A little short.  Fashionwise, I'd say it went from about 1979 to 1993; '90s fashion was late in coming, which is why it's still somewhat around now.  TV and general attitude I'd say the '90s went up to about 1992; I think Rodney King is really what began the '90s attitude.

The '90s ended with 9/11, but the feel really was gone by 1998 or 1999.

Admit it, you just want to be more '90s  ;D

No seriously I agree.  1990, I guess was in some ways primitively '90s, but again I think it takes about 1 1/2-2 years for a decade to really seem anything unlike the decade that just ended.  1990 doesn't "scream" '80s like even 1988 would.


Yeah, it was pretty in between. 1988 was really the last year that "screamed" '90s...

Yeah, it was pretty in between. 1988 was really the last year that "screamed" '90s...


I think you mean 80s...

Not being there, or only being there as tikes, all we can do is speculate and look back, but I think one can gain a good idea from old TV shows and movies.

To get back to the question, I personally would restrict 'late 90s' to a very short time span: mainly because the mid-90s and the very late 90s millenium cusp were so prominent. That would be about most of 97 and 98. 99 was VERY 00s, if you were old enough to remember it as a teenager; the MP3-Napster/Internet revolution began in mid-99...The mid-90s kind of carried on into 97 with Radiohead, such bands as Starsailor, Soft-rock/AC.etc

I think you mean 80s...

Not being there, or only being there as tikes, all we can do is speculate and look back, but I think one can gain a good idea from old TV shows and movies.

To get back to the question, I personally would restrict 'late 90s' to a very short time span: mainly because the mid-90s and the very late 90s millenium cusp were so prominent. That would be about most of 97 and 98. 99 was VERY 00s, if you were old enough to remember it as a teenager; the MP3-Napster/Internet revolution began in mid-99...The mid-90s kind of carried on into 97 with Radiohead, such bands as Starsailor, Soft-rock/AC.etc


I was only 9 in 1999,  but I remember the year extremely well. Way better than say even 1997.  The year I'd say was '90s in most ways, but musically it was very early '00s.  The earliest examples of the Reality trend, like Big Brother in Europe and Who Wants to be a Millionaire in the states also began in 1999.

I was only 9 in 1999,  but I remember the year extremely well. Way better than say even 1997.  The year I'd say was '90s in most ways, but musically it was very early '00s.  The earliest examples of the Reality trend, like Big Brother in Europe and Who Wants to be a Millionaire in the states also began in 1999.


1999 was still '90s, but yea it was more '00s like in a lot of ways then the previous couple years which had little or no '00s qualities about them.

1999 was still '90s, but yea it was more '00s like in a lot of ways then the previous couple years which had little or no '00s qualities about them.



Agreed. 1998-2001 is alot like 1988-1991 since both times had current decade stuff and stuff from the next one.

1999 was still '90s, but yea it was more '00s like in a lot of ways then the previous couple years which had little or no '00s qualities about them.


Yeah. I mean 1997 and '98 had some '00s-like qualities, but they were really very primitive.  For instance, I think the boybands are more related to '00s music than early '90s music, but since they occured mostly in the late '90s they're not really a '00s thing.

Agreed. 1998-2001 is alot like 1988-1991 since both times had current decade stuff and stuff from the next one.


The main difference between the two is I feel the 00s really began in 99, whereas the 90s began in 91. So in effect, my version of the 90s is 1991-1999. Mainly because the trends which characterised the 00s began in 99. 99 was a very strange year indeed - as all end of decade years are. I remember there was so much hoo-ha over Y2K, entering a whole new epoch - there was almost an apocalyptic feel to the era. Revolutions were literally happening every day. I was also entering high school, so it seemed the world at large was entering a Brave new world.

The main difference between the two is I feel the 00s really began in 99, whereas the 90s began in 91. So in effect, my version of the 90s is 1991-1999. Mainly because the trends which characterised the 00s began in 99. 99 was a very strange year indeed - as all end of decade years are. I remember there was so much hoo-ha over Y2K, entering a whole new epoch - there was almost an apocalyptic feel to the era. Revolutions were literally happening every day. I was also entering high school, so it seemed the world at large was entering a Brave new world.


I'd actually say 1999 really began the 21st Century, in a more abstract way. 1998 seems more like the final year of the century.  I think of the "Nineties" as spanning from maybe late 1991 (because early 1991 is naturally tied to 1990, which is very "Eighties") to the 9/11 attacks or Bush/Gore election, or maybe a bit later musically to when Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, 50 Cent etc. came out, i.e. around 2002-2003.  However 1999-mid 2001 didn't really feel like the nineties, but still I think of it as the final epoch of the '90s, rather than the beginning of the '00s.

I'd actually say 1999 really began the 21st Century, in a more abstract way. 1998 seems more like the final year of the century.  I think of the "Nineties" as spanning from maybe late 1991 (because early 1991 is naturally tied to 1990, which is very "Eighties") to the 9/11 attacks or Bush/Gore election, or maybe a bit later musically to when Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, 50 Cent etc. came out, i.e. around 2002-2003.  However 1999-mid 2001 didn't really feel like the nineties, but still I think of it as the final epoch of the '90s, rather than the beginning of the '00s.


It is true, the 9/11 attacks were also a watershed between the 90s and 00s. But that was more in the political areana. Pop-culture wise it had little impact. Interestingly, however, both the ipod and digital TV came out in 2001, though the year they really picked up steam was 2003, which is the beginning of the middle part of our decade. Both 99 and 01 seemed like changing points, so I guess it depends on one considers more 'important.'

Good Charlotte heralded in the 'true' core-00s...but it also sounded vaguely like 90s-early 00s punk recycled for an even younger audience.

The main difference between the two is I feel the 00s really began in 99, whereas the 90s began in 91. So in effect, my version of the 90s is 1991-1999. Mainly because the trends which characterised the 00s began in 99. 99 was a very strange year indeed - as all end of decade years are. I remember there was so much hoo-ha over Y2K, entering a whole new epoch - there was almost an apocalyptic feel to the era. Revolutions were literally happening every day. I was also entering high school, so it seemed the world at large was entering a Brave new world.


1999 is still drastically different from 2003 and 2004, I still say it's the '90s. I look at the world and poltical situation as well and it's very '90s. The music still had a lot of '90s type stuff.

I'd actually say 1999 really began the 21st Century, in a more abstract way. 1998 seems more like the final year of the century.  I think of the "Nineties" as spanning from maybe late 1991 (because early 1991 is naturally tied to 1990, which is very "Eighties") to the 9/11 attacks or Bush/Gore election, or maybe a bit later musically to when Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, 50 Cent etc. came out, i.e. around 2002-2003.  However 1999-mid 2001 didn't really feel like the nineties, but still I think of it as the final epoch of the '90s, rather than the beginning of the '00s.


???  I don't believe for a second that you were Born in 1990.  You speak about the 80's and 90's as if you were an Adult through both decades

And this isn't meant as disrespectful at all, but you talk about how certain 90's years didn't feel like the 90's and this and that.  How on earth would you even remember it as well as some of us older people who actually remember it quite well? I don't think you could  ;D

Do you even remember the majority of 1996 or 1997 at all?  :D

I'm just bustin' your chops  8)

It is true, the 9/11 attacks were also a watershed between the 90s and 00s. But that was more in the political areana. Pop-culture wise it had little impact. Interestingly, however, both the ipod and digital TV came out in 2001, though the year they really picked up steam was 2003, which is the beginning of the middle part of our decade. Both 99 and 01 seemed like changing points, so I guess it depends on one considers more 'important.'

Good Charlotte heralded in the 'true' core-00s...but it also sounded vaguely like 90s-early 00s punk recycled for an even younger audience.


Yeah, 9/11 had little to do with pop culture.  Again, I guess it depends how you look at it.  1999-2001 is very, very odd and transitional.  It's more like 2006 than say 1991, but I think of it as being the fastest part of the accelerating '90s.  To me it's more '00s-like, but 1999-early '01 still seem much, more more '90s than now.  I think when Aaliyah died was also a turning point.

???  I don't believe for a second that you were Born in 1990.  You speak about the 80's and 90's as if you were an Adult through both decades

And this isn't meant as disrespectful at all, but you talk about how certain 90's years didn't feel like the 90's and this and that.  How on earth would you even remember it as well as some of us older people who actually remember it quite well? I don't think you could  ;D

Do you even remember the majority of 1996 or 1997 at all?  :D

I'm just bustin' your chops  8)


I'm a pop culture geek. Most of it is read up, and I know so well it's like I was there  ;D

I certainly don't know the '90s as well as most people here, firsthand. I only started following popular music in I believe 1999, for instance.  But still, I'm old enough to remember the feel for at least about 1996 upwards.  1999 seems more now than say 1994, from my perspective, although I still see it as '90s.

1999 is still drastically different from 2003 and 2004, I still say it's the '90s. I look at the world and poltical situation as well and it's very '90s. The music still had a lot of '90s type stuff.


Musically, yes, I'd agree 1999 is almost wholly 90s. I recently listened to some old dance records from 99, including some songs by the Vengaboys/Aqua, and noticed how comparatively primitive the beats.etc were in comparison to today's music. Everything just seemed to accelerate until 9/11, and after it as well.

1999 is still drastically different from 2003 and 2004, I still say it's the '90s. I look at the world and poltical situation as well and it's very '90s. The music still had a lot of '90s type stuff.


I agree. Looking back at 1999, things are so much more different than they were at 2001. I guess I will always feel 2001 as a turning point in how our nation changed. It was kinda like how when JFK was assassinated (even though I wasn't alive, it was probably a similiar hopeless feeling that we felt during 9/11).

Musically, yes, I'd agree 1999 is almost wholly 90s. I recently listened to some old dance records from 99, including some songs by the Vengaboys/Aqua, and noticed how comparatively primitive the beats.etc were in comparison to today's music. Everything just seemed to accelerate until 9/11, and after it as well.


I actually think that 9/11-2003 was very slow, relative to the late '90s.  To me, 2002, 2003, and even early '04 seemed like an extension of the end of 2001.

I agree. Looking back at 1999, things are so much more different than they were at 2001. I guess I will always feel 2001 as a turning point in how our nation changed. It was kinda like how when JFK was assassinated (even though I wasn't alive, it was probably a similiar hopeless feeling that we felt during 9/11).


2001 is kind of to Y what 1963 was to the Flower Plower silent/boomer cusp generation.  You HAVE to remember 2001 to be a Yer.

I'm a pop culture geek. Most of it is read up, and I know so well it's like I was there  ;D

I certainly don't know the '90s as well as most people here, firsthand. I only started following popular music in I believe 1999, for instance.  But still, I'm old enough to remember the feel for at least about 1996 upwards.  1999 seems more now than say 1994, from my perspective, although I still see it as '90s.


I know few 90ers who are as interested in decadology as much as you are though. I myself am no expert, just like to compare, contrast and categorise things. The problem with remembering back is that I remember from a child's perspective, never having been a teen or young adult, and fully appreciating the world back then. I wish I could say I was a teen in the 90s, so I could objectively compare it to the 00s, but I wasn't, so my evaluation will be subjective.

Well, actually, I was technically a teen for 11 months of the 90s... :D

I was almost a teen in the '90s, unless you consider 2000 '90s, actually some of us do.  ;D

I know few 90ers who are as interested in decadology as much as you are though. I myself am no expert, just like to compare, contrast and categorise things. The problem with remembering back is that I remember from a child's perspective, never having been a teen or young adult, and fully appreciating the world back then. I wish I could say I was a teen in the 90s, so I could objectively compare it to the 00s, but I wasn't, so my evaluation will be subjective.


Yeah, that's because most kids are stupid ... or have a life  ;D

Yeah, the '00s are the first decade I can really say I fully "experienced", but I still think the '90s are part of my time also, at least the latter half of them.  After all they're still almost 2/3 of my life.

I was almost a teen in the '90s, unless you consider 2000 '90s, actually some of us do.  ;D


If you think now is still the '90s, I was a teen in the '90s  ;D ;D

I know few 90ers who are as interested in decadology as much as you are though. I myself am no expert, just like to compare, contrast and categorise things. The problem with remembering back is that I remember from a child's perspective, never having been a teen or young adult, and fully appreciating the world back then. I wish I could say I was a teen in the 90s, so I could objectively compare it to the 00s, but I wasn't, so my evaluation will be subjective.


Yeah.  I mean the Earliest I can actually start to remember things clearly in my life was about Late 1992 and onward.  I didn't really start listening to Popular Music until Mid 1994

I know few 90ers who are as interested in decadology as much as you are though. I myself am no expert, just like to compare, contrast and categorise things. The problem with remembering back is that I remember from a child's perspective, never having been a teen or young adult, and fully appreciating the world back then. I wish I could say I was a teen in the 90s, so I could objectively compare it to the 00s, but I wasn't, so my evaluation will be subjective.


I remember the '90s well, definitely the late '90s, I was well aware of world events by then and I kept up with the news pretty well. I knew some of the music, though I didn't really follow it like today. The '00s of course I'll always remember better because I'm older, but the '90s still are a big part of my life.

Yeah.  I mean the Earliest I can actually start to remember things clearly in my life was about Late 1992 and onward.  I didn't really start listening to Popular Music until Mid 1994


You're five years up from me. I didn't make a deliberate effort to 'follow' music until '99 (when I bought my first CD). Before that I knew music from what was playing on the radio...but I did remember alot of music I heard on the radio.

Yeah, that's because most kids are stupid ... or have a life  ;D

Yeah, the '00s are the first decade I can really say I fully "experienced", but I still think the '90s are part of my time also, at least the latter half of them.  After all they're still almost 2/3 of my life.


I wouldn't find it bogus for you to consider the 90's as part of "your time" as you did spend 10 years in that decade. You probably garnered more memories from the 90's as a child, than I did as a child born in the 80's who only spent 8 years of my life in that decade.

I wouldn't find it bogus for you to consider the 90's as part of "your time" as you did spend 10 years in that decade. You probably garnered more memories from the 90's as a child, than I did as a child born in the 80's who only spent 8 years of my life in that decade.


Thanks. Actually I have an odd suspicion I was born in 1991, and my parents got it wrong.  Stupid huh?  ;D I'm pretty sure I'm a 1990er though. 

I've never seen anything from the second half of the '90s as before my time.  Even the early '90s, not really, since I at least existed then.

You're five years up from me. I didn't make a deliberate effort to 'follow' music until '99 (when I bought my first CD). Before that I knew music from what was playing on the radio...but I did remember alot of music I heard on the radio.


The first real popular song I remember hearing which got me into popular music was "Black Hole Sun" by Soundgarden in the Summer of 1994.  I remember because my Friend at the time was obsessed with the song, so obviously I heard it quite often at the time and then began listening to more and more of the Radio

When I think about it, the time I really remember getting into mainstream Music on the radio and MTV was around Late 1995.  I remember getting my first Boom Box for Christmas in 1995 and whenever I would take a Bath, I would always bring my boom box with me listen to it while I sat in the Tub

I also remember getting into MTV alot in Late 95 as well.  I still have some old tapes where I had taped Music Videos from MTV from Late 1995 (like "Fantasy" by Mariah Carey, "The World I Know" by Collective Soul, and "Feel Me Flow" by Naughty By Nature)

Thanks. Actually I have an odd suspicion I was born in 1991, and my parents got it wrong.  Stupid huh?  ;D I'm pretty sure I'm a 1990er though. 

I've never seen anything from the second half of the '90s as before my time.  Even the early '90s, not really, since I at least existed then.



I guess the way you feel about maybe being part of the 80's culture in some form, is how I feel of being part of the 70's culture since I was also born so close to that decade.

I guess the way you feel about maybe being part of the 80's culture in some form, is how I feel of being part of the 70's culture since I was also born so close to that decade.


Yeah, although probably even more so, since 1990 is more '80s-like than 1982 is '70s like (although both are quite transitional; 1982 isn't "full on '80s").  Also, the '80s culture still existed in pockets until the very late '90s.

Yeah, although probably even more so, since 1990 is more '80s-like than 1982 is '70s like (although both are quite transitional; 1982 isn't "full on '80s").  Also, the '80s culture still existed in pockets until the very late '90s.


I would say the 80's influence was very, very small by the late 90's.

I would say the 80's influence was very, very small by the late 90's.


I'd say:

1990: 60% '80s
1991: 45% '80s
1992-1996: 10% '80s
1997-1998: 5% '80s
1999: almost 0% '80s

In terms of influence.

I'd say:

1990: 60% '80s
1991: 45% '80s
1992-1996: 10% '80s
1997-1998: 5% '80s
1999: almost 0% '80s

In terms of influence.


Says the Expert  ::)  ;D

I'd say:

1990: 60% '80s
1991: 45% '80s
1992-1996: 10% '80s
1997-1998: 5% '80s
1999: almost 0% '80s

In terms of influence.


To me, there was hardly an 80's influence past 1996-1997. The 90's really was it's own thing by that time.

To me, there was hardly an 80's influence past 1996-1997. They 90's really was it's own thing by that time.


Yea I agree, I saw no '80s in 1996 at all.

Yea I agree, I saw no '80s in 1996 at all.


Yeah, I'd say it would be pushing it a bit. Just like the 70's influence on the 80's pretty much ended around 1985 or just slightly later.

Yeah, I'd say it would be pushing it a bit. Just like the 70's influence on the 80's pretty much ended around 1985 or just slightly later.


Yea I think '80s influence on the '90s ends around 1993 or so, 1994 is even pushing it really.

Yeah, I'd say it would be pushing it a bit. Just like the 70's influence on the 80's pretty much ended around 1985 or just slightly later.


Well I don't mean pop culturally ... I more mean similarity in the general lifestyle, etc.  For instance technology up to about 1996 was probably closer to late '80s technology than '00s technology.

I think tech periods are sort of different than pop cultural periods, though they can intersect...1986-1993 or so was one tech period but part of two different, if close pop cultural periods. 1994-1999 or so was another, 1979-1985 was another, etc.

I think tech periods are sort of different than pop cultural periods, though they can intersect...1986-1993 or so was one tech period but part of two different, if close pop cultural periods. 1994-1999 or so was another, 1979-1985 was another, etc.


I would divide them:

Technology:

Agrarian: Dawn of Man - c. 1800 A.D.

Industrial:

Early Industrial: 1800-1914 A.D.
Factory Age: 1915-1946 A.D.
Early Cold War: 1947-1980

Digital:

Late Cold War: 1981-1993
Dot-com era: 1994-2000
Wireless era: 2001-present

Pop culture:

Pre-pop culture: Dawn of Man - mid 19th Century
Early Pop Culture: c. 1880-1920
Swing Era: 1920-1945
"The Fifties": 1946-1963
"The Sixties": 1964-1974
Disco Era: 1975-1980
New Wave Era: 1981-1986
Hair Metal Era: 1987-1991
Grunge '90s: 1992-1997
Late '90s: 1998-2001
Emo '00s: 2002-present

Well I don't mean pop culturally ... I more mean similarity in the general lifestyle, etc.  For instance technology up to about 1996 was probably closer to late '80s technology than '00s technology.


That's true  ;) (damn - you get me everytime!)

I would divide them:

Technology:

Agrarian: Dawn of Man - c. 1800 A.D.

Industrial:

Early Industrial: 1800-1914 A.D.
Factory Age: 1915-1946 A.D.
Early Cold War: 1947-1980

Digital:

Late Cold War: 1981-1993
Dot-com era: 1994-2000
Wireless era: 2001-present

Pop culture:

Pre-pop culture: Dawn of Man - mid 19th Century
Early Pop Culture: c. 1880-1920
Swing Era: 1920-1945
"The Fifties": 1946-1963
"The Sixties": 1964-1974
Disco Era: 1975-1980
New Wave Era: 1981-1986
Hair Metal Era: 1987-1991
Grunge '90s: 1992-1997
Late '90s: 1998-2001
Emo '00s: 2002-present




I would say that you could subdivide the 1971-1975 period into the "stadium rock" era, and change around the "swing era" a bit.

I think:

1919-1929: The "jazz"/Rudolph Valentino era.
1930-1946: The big band/Frank Sinatra era.
1947-1955: The "traditional pop" era.
1956-1963: The rock n' roll/girl group/maltshop era.

That's true  ;) (damn - you get me everytime!)


;D

I guess what I mean is around 1997, I was playing Nintendo, watching semi-classic Nick, and eating pizza bagels while watching Star Wars.  It was in the '90s, but it's similar to what '80s kids nostalgize about, LOL ;)

The pop culture of 1996-'97 was of course more '00s-like than '80s-like, but I think the first 2/3 or so of '90s was more like the "world" of the '80s than the present world.

I would say that you could subdivide the 1971-1975 period into the "stadium rock" era, and change around the "swing era" a bit.

I think:

1919-1929: The "jazz"/Rudolph Valentino era.
1930-1946: The big band/Frank Sinatra era.
1947-1955: The "traditional pop" era.
1956-1963: The rock n' roll/girl group/maltshop era.


I would count 1963 as sort of right dead center between the 60's as we know it today and the 60's era that was known as the JFK era.

The first real popular song I remember hearing which got me into popular music was "Black Hole Sun" by Soundgarden in the Summer of 1994.  I remember because my Friend at the time was obsessed with the song, so obviously I heard it quite often at the time and then began listening to more and more of the Radio

When I think about it, the time I really remember getting into mainstream Music on the radio and MTV was around Late 1995.  I remember getting my first Boom Box for Christmas in 1995 and whenever I would take a Bath, I would always bring my boom box with me listen to it while I sat in the Tub

I also remember getting into MTV alot in Late 95 as well.  I still have some old tapes where I had taped Music Videos from MTV from Late 1995 (like "Fantasy" by Mariah Carey, "The World I Know" by Collective Soul, and "Feel Me Flow" by Naughty By Nature)


The earliest I remember was from about 93, with groups as diverse as M.C. Hammer, Kriss Kross, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Celine Dion, Crowded House.etc. It seemed actually very gangsterish back in the early 90s, even more so than the early 00s.

I would count 1963 as sort of right dead center between the 60's as we know it today and the 60's era that was known as the JFK era.


There were definitely two sixties. The sixties of chequered shirts, white-picket fences, the Twist, Milk-bars, Hot rods.etc: i.e. pretty much a slightly updated version of the 50s (probably the only thing different was there were more shopping malls, more kids drove cars and more music was coming in from overseas). Folk, Motown, and later British Invasion sub-Mersey-beat/beat music in the vein of early Gerry and the Pacemakers, Frank Ifield.etc. The quantum leaps were the assasination of J.F.K. and Beatlemania, which were also powerful globalising influences. So the true 'early' sixties are up to November '63, but can broadly extend to Beatlamania in the states and other countries through 1964. The 'psychadelic 60s', I think, began with the exodus of youngsters to Sisco throughout mid-66, when LSD, marijuana and other recreational drugs hit like a nuetron bomb. The counter-culture, and loosely associated New Age revival had begun earlier, but only seemed to culminate in the 'Age of Aquarius', said to be 1969. It is true the Beatle's Sgt. Pepper was influential in the movement, but was only really the tip of the ice-berg. Monterey Pop remains the defining event of the era.

There were definitely two sixties. The sixties of chequered shirts, white-picket fences, the Twist, Milk-bars, Hot rods.etc: i.e. pretty much a slightly updated version of the 50s (probably the only thing different was there were more shopping malls, more kids drove cars and more music was coming in from overseas). Folk, Motown, and later British Invasion sub-Mersey-beat/beat music in the vein of early Gerry and the Pacemakers, Frank Ifield.etc. The quantum leaps were the assasination of J.F.K. and Beatlemania, which were also powerful globalising influences. So the true 'early' sixties are up to November '63, but can broadly extend to Beatlamania in the states and other countries through 1964. The 'psychadelic 60s', I think, began with the exodus of youngsters to Sisco throughout mid-66, when LSD, marijuana and other recreational drugs hit like a nuetron bomb. The counter-culture, and loosely associated New Age revival had begun earlier, but only seemed to culminate in the 'Age of Aquarius', said to be 1969. It is true the Beatle's Sgt. Pepper was influential in the movement, but was only really the tip of the ice-berg. Monterey Pop remains the defining event of the era.




Wow, that was great. You summed it all up just perfectly in a nice tight paragraph. One more thing I'd mention is "The Summer of Love" another defining moment in the 60's (1967, to be exact,  when Austin Powers got frozen in time  ;D)

Wow, that was great. You summed it all up just perfectly in a nice tight paragraph. One more thing I'd mention is "The Summer of Love" another defining moment in the 60's (1967, to be exact,  when Austin Powers got frozen in time  ;D)


Yes, there seemed to be two geographically seperated 'epicentres' of the 'Summer of Love.' San Francisco - areas such as Haight-Ashbury, Berkley, North Beach, and London, the Swinging Sixties of Austin Powers, the Stones, the Who, Floyd, the U.F.O. club. Sisco was more about lifestyle, while London was more about STYLE. Lol.

Yes, there seemed to be two geographically seperated 'epicentres' of the 'Summer of Love.' San Francisco - areas such as Haight-Ashbury, Berkley, North Beach, and London, the Swinging Sixties of Austin Powers, the Stones, the Who, Floyd, the U.F.O. club. Sisco was more about lifestyle, while London was more about STYLE. Lol.


And it's funny to think San Francisco and London have one main thing in common - FOG!  ;D

And it's funny to think San Francisco and London have one main thing in common - FOG!  ;D


Fog and LSD...Can't quite see the relationship. ;D

Fog and LSD...Can't quite see the relationship. ;D




The fog is caused by all the LSD smoke puffs  ;D

The fog is caused by all the LSD smoke puffs  ;D


So even those purtanical Victorian gents and ladies were smokin' acid back in the 1860s?  ;D

So even those purtanical Victorian gents and ladies were smokin' acid back in the 1860s?  ;D


I don't think you SMOKE acid...

I don't think you SMOKE acid...


I didn't think so myself, but for most drugs one can take them anyway they want. I think LSD isn't one of those drugs which is that much more potent injected over say chewing, but I may be wrong.

to me the "late 90s" is 1998-2001

to me the "late 90s" is 1998-2001



Same here. I see 1998-2001 as late '90s as well.