I just don't get why you see Hanson as an '00s thing, when it happened in 1997 and didn't last into the '00s, really? Particularly to the peak of it. I mean, grunge and R&B weren't the only parts of the '90s because they were serious. Were bubblegum pop and protest music both important facets of the '60s? Uh-huh. Were they polar opposites? Uh-huh.

No it has to do with the fact that 1999 and 2000 are not quite real '00s yet. 2000 and 2006 are worlds apart music wise. There's a lot of change in 1999, but I still think it leans more towards the '90s. 2001 probably is more '00s though.


Yeah I agree. I'd say the beginning of 2001 was late '90s, and the end of 2001 was clearly of this decade, pop culturally speaking.

There definitely was a big change in 1999, but I don't think it was the beginning of the '00s.  Rather, it was when the '90s stopped feeling like the '90s.

I also hold the view that the 00s began in 1999. Sept 11 was less a cultural and more a political thing. I guess some on this board are too young to really appreciate the change in '99.  ;)

They didn't ACTUALLY, but it felt like it! ;D

They didn't ACTUALLY, but it felt like it! ;D


About time you admitted, Ellipsis  ;D

Maybe you ARE a pretty cool guy  :)

I think '99-'00 is when the technology of the internet really took over, though there was still something very "no-worries", optimistic while thoughtful, breezy, and grungy that I think of as more '90s about the year, in terms of cool.

About time you admitted, Ellipsis  ;D

Maybe you ARE a pretty cool guy  :)

Thank you, Double D. But the fact is, the ni... ah, never mind. It's been splained many times before. ::)

Thank you, Double D. But the fact is, the ni... ah, never mind. It's been splained many times before. ::)


You're right I think it's better just to say the '90s are 1990-1999, that way nobody can aruge about it.

Teen and Latin-flavored pop, techno, country-pop, etc. were all the absolute biggest thing in '99. The atmosphere was very un-'00s. There was definitely one atmosphere change in late '98 and


Those musical trend you mention were popular well into the 00s - I think it was only about 2002-2003 when punk became more 'emo-like', hip hop/r 'n' b/dance music began dominating the charts that we saw signs of the 'mid-90s.' The jump from 98 to 99 was far more revolutionary than that between 99 and 00. In 98 you still had groups like Third Eye Blind, Live, old school Green Day - 'college rock' sort of music, Natalia Imbruglia, Aqua, teen-pop...indeed the only thing 98 and 99 really share seem to be teen pop and boy bands. In 99 we saw a resurgence in a new sort of rap (a 'post' Eminem), lots of cross-over styles: Limp Bizkit, Len.etc, which thrived well into the decade.

Those musical trend you mention were popular well into the 00s - I think it was only about 2002-2003 when punk became more 'emo-like', hip hop/r 'n' b/dance music began dominating the charts that we saw signs of the 'mid-90s.' The jump from 98 to 99 was far more revolutionary than that between 99 and 00. In 98 you still had groups like Third Eye Blind, Live, old school Green Day - 'college rock' sort of music, Natalia Imbruglia, Aqua, teen-pop...indeed the only thing 98 and 99 really share seem to be teen pop and boy bands. In 99 we saw a resurgence in a new sort of rap (a 'post' Eminem), lots of cross-over styles: Limp Bizkit, Len.etc, which thrived well into the decade.


Exactly

And no offense to some of the posters here, but the only posters who believe the 90's didn't end until 2001, are all 18 or younger, while the rest of us who are older happen to believe it ended in Mid-1999

Maybe...Just Maybe, we happen to be just a tad more knowledgable about this than you all...  ;)

Those musical trend you mention were popular well into the 00s - I think it was only about 2002-2003 when punk became more 'emo-like', hip hop/r 'n' b/dance music began dominating the charts that we saw signs of the 'mid-90s.' The jump from 98 to 99 was far more revolutionary than that between 99 and 00. In 98 you still had groups like Third Eye Blind, Live, old school Green Day - 'college rock' sort of music, Natalia Imbruglia, Aqua, teen-pop...indeed the only thing 98 and 99 really share seem to be teen pop and boy bands. In 99 we saw a resurgence in a new sort of rap (a 'post' Eminem), lots of cross-over styles: Limp Bizkit, Len.etc, which thrived well into the decade.


Yeah, '99 was vaguely '00s. But one of the reasons I think it doesn't count as '00s is that almost none of those things survived in non-niche popularity into late 2003-early 2005...the peak of the '00s culturally. I mean, who gave a crap about Limp Bizkit in early 2005? The reason '79 had a fair amount of '80s cred is that alot of new wave bands popular well into the decade had their breakthrough about then, or at least similar things rose to popularity in the late 1983-early 1985 period that was the peak of the decade. The same deal with 1989, really.

Exactly

And no offense to some of the posters here, but the only posters who believe the 90's didn't end until 2001, are all 18 or younger, while the rest of us who are older happen to believe it ended in Mid-1999

Maybe...Just Maybe, we happen to be just a tad more knowledgable about this than you all...  ;)


No I'm old enough to know ... I remember 1999 like yesterday.  I just don't think 1999 and 2000 are quite '00s.  From a 2003 perspective they don't seem like another decade, but this is 2006.  1998, 1999, and even 2000 and pre-9/11 2001 seem like another era.

Those musical trend you mention were popular well into the 00s - I think it was only about 2002-2003 when punk became more 'emo-like', hip hop/r 'n' b/dance music began dominating the charts that we saw signs of the 'mid-90s.' The jump from 98 to 99 was far more revolutionary than that between 99 and 00. In 98 you still had groups like Third Eye Blind, Live, old school Green Day - 'college rock' sort of music, Natalia Imbruglia, Aqua, teen-pop...indeed the only thing 98 and 99 really share seem to be teen pop and boy bands. In 99 we saw a resurgence in a new sort of rap (a 'post' Eminem), lots of cross-over styles: Limp Bizkit, Len.etc, which thrived well into the decade.


Third eye blind was still very popular in 2000. "Never Let You Go" was a big hit. Teen pop/bubblegum pop started in 1997 and I consider it a '90s trend since it was still well in the '90s when it began in early '97 and only lasted till mid 2001 really. Sugar Ray was also very big in 99, another very late '90s group. The hip-hop though did become very '00s in 1999, with Jay-Z and Eminem. TLC was also huge in 1999, they're a very '90s group. Pearl Jam had a huge hit "Last Kiss" in 1999 as well. I still think 1999 is the '90s overall, but it was the beginning of early '00s trends.

No I'm old enough to know ... I remember 1999 like yesterday.  I just don't think 1999 and 2000 are quite '00s.  From a 2003 perspective they don't seem like another decade, but this is 2006.  1998, 1999, and even 2000 and pre-9/11 2001 seem like another era.


One has to have a greater appreciation of the 90s - actually living some of their teens years in that decade - to really appreciate how much things changed from pre-99 to 1999. It was just amazing how everything changed around mid-99 when we entered the napster/mp3/dvd age.

Exactly

And no offense to some of the posters here, but the only posters who believe the 90's didn't end until 2001, are all 18 or younger, while the rest of us who are older happen to believe it ended in Mid-1999

Maybe...Just Maybe, we happen to be just a tad more knowledgable about this than you all...  ;)


You're 1 year older than me, lol. Many people that I was in the same grade in school with were born in 86 like you. I remember 99 very well.

Third eye blind was still very popular in 2000. "Never Let You Go" was a big hit. Teen pop/bubblegum pop started in 1997 and I consider it a '90s trend since it was still well in the '90s when it began in early '97 and only lasted till mid 2001 really. Sugar Ray was also very big in 99, another very late '90s group. The hip-hop though did become very '00s in 1999, with Jay-Z and Eminem. TLC was also huge in 1999, they're a very '90s group. Pearl Jam had a huge hit "Last Kiss" in 1999 as well. I still think 1999 is the '90s overall, but it was the beginning of early '00s trends.


Apparently Pearl Jam are staging a revival  ::)

Third Eye Blind were still quite popular until about 2000, and teen pop did sort of die down when Mandy, Britney and the rest of them grew too old. Apart from that though, nu-metal, 'rock/rap' crossovers were still strong in the 00s. Very heavy death metal/korn was also particularly popular in 1999, before seeming to disappear altogether in 2000.

Apparently Pearl Jam are staging a revival  ::)

Third Eye Blind were still quite popular until about 2000, and teen pop did sort of die down when Mandy, Britney and the rest of them grew too old. Apart from that though, nu-metal, 'rock/rap' crossovers were still strong in the 00s. Very heavy death metal/korn was also particularly popular in 1999, before seeming to disappear altogether in 2000.


I don't see them having a hit as big as "Last Kiss" anymore, they'll still sell a lot of albums though.

One has to have a greater appreciation of the 90s - actually living some of their teens years in that decade - to really appreciate how much things changed from pre-99 to 1999. It was just amazing how everything changed around mid-99 when we entered the napster/mp3/dvd age.


I hate to say it, but I disagree.  I may not remember the first half of the '90s well, but I remember when there was no (or at best little) DVD/cellphone/broadband technology, around 1995-1998.  However I will say that when it happened I was too young to really care, as the '90s in general was always bringing about new technology.  But still, I definitely remember the days of VHS, etc.

I hate to say it, but I disagree.  I may not remember the first half of the '90s well, but I remember when there was no (or at best little) DVD/cellphone/broadband technology, around 1995-1998.  However I will say that when it happened I was too young to really care, as the '90s in general was always bringing about new technology.  But still, I definitely remember the days of VHS, etc.


But you didn't have a teenagers perspective ;). Does make more difference than you think...I know because I can't say I truly experienced 1995s pop culture cos I was still only 9 years old. You would have been 9 in 1999, but perhaps you more aware...nonetheless, you were still only 9. Anyway, gotta go off now, but we'll continue this argument later on. ;-)

Exactly

And no offense to some of the posters here, but the only posters who believe the 90's didn't end until 2001, are all 18 or younger, while the rest of us who are older happen to believe it ended in Mid-1999

Maybe...Just Maybe, we happen to be just a tad more knowledgable about this than you all...  ;)


1999 was the '90s, and don't throw cheap jabs at people because you're older. I don't think somebody born in 1986 is that different from me in terms of experience. Trimac is biased because he's a techie. But I'll go out on a limb and say I really didn't know what a DVD was until 2000 or so. And they weren't essential until 2003. Cell phones really started becoming essential around 2000, but it wasn't '99. And etc. And maybe you're biased because all you see the '90s as was grunge and earlier pop-rock. That's like discrediting the Velvet Underground as '60s because they were so anti-psychedelic. Brian sees the '90s as having ended in 2001 and he's a 1987er. The beginning of the end of the '90s culturally was like sometime in 1999, I admit, but I don't think it turned over to the '00s until the end of '01 and true, honest-to-god '00s culture hadn't killed 1999ish culture until the summer of '03, maybe. I mean, the '80s included both new wave and hair metal...at opposite ends. The '90s included both grunge and teen pop...at opposite ends.

Most culture in 1999 was targeted at a 9 year old, actually. Teen pop? That's like saying my parents didn't know '64 and Beatlemania because they were 9. The '86ers were not real, honest-to-God '90s teens, in America, anyway...I think of you as being a teen from when you're about 14 on. In fact, I think older people could be slightly biased, if I'm going to play the bias game, because of '90s nostalgia.

But you didn't have a teenagers perspective ;). Does make more difference than you think...I know because I can't say I truly experienced 1995s pop culture cos I was still only 9 years old. You would have been 9 in 1999, but perhaps you more aware...nonetheless, you were still only 9. Anyway, gotta go off now, but we'll continue this argument later on. ;-)


He still can have a good memory of 1999, I was 9 in 96 and I have a pretty good memory of it. I have an excellent memory though.

1999 was the '90s, and don't throw cheap jabs at people because you're older. I don't think somebody born in 1986 is that different from me in terms of experience. Trimac is biased because he's a techie. But I'll go out on a limb and say I really didn't know what a DVD was until 2000 or so. And they weren't essential until 2003. Cell phones really started becoming essential around 2000, but it wasn't '99. And etc. And maybe you're biased because all you see the '90s as was grunge and earlier pop-rock. That's like discrediting the Velvet Underground as '60s because they were so anti-psychedelic. Brian sees the '90s as having ended in 2001 and he's a 1987er. The beginning of the end of the '90s culturally was like sometime in 1999, I admit, but I don't think it turned over to the '00s until the end of '01 and true, honest-to-god '00s culture hadn't killed 1999ish culture until the summer of '03, maybe. I mean, the '80s included both new wave and hair metal...at opposite ends. The '90s included both grunge and teen pop...at opposite ends.

Most culture in 1999 was targeted at a 9 year old, actually. Teen pop? That's like saying my parents didn't know '64 and Beatlemania because they were 9. The '86ers were not real, honest-to-God '90s teens, in America, anyway...I think of you as being a teen from when you're about 14 on.


I'm actually going to say 2000 as the end of the '90s now, because overall I think 2001 was definitely more '00s, not peak '00s but it wasn't the '90s anymore. Plus Bush too over in 2001, that kinda of really makes it '00s.

He still can have a good memory of 1999, I was 9 in 96 and I have a pretty good memory of it. I have an excellent memory though.


Yeah, I have a pretty good memory. I think I remember some pop-cultural things back to '94 via the radio and TV, and observation of fashion. I always got 2001 as a mix. There were definitely a ton of  "early '00s", extended bridge things that started then, even if the '00s wasn't totally its own decade until 50 Cent and Beyonce came out and emo, blog, and iPod became household words sometime in the middle of 2003. Even in 1999 and 2000 I think there was more genuinely '90s stuff than 2001, most of the '90s things then could be dated back to 1998 or so.

Yeah, I have a pretty good memory. I think I remember some pop-cultural things back to '94 via the radio and TV, and observation of fashion.


Yea I remember early '90s fashion and I was like 4 years old. Pop culture/world events I know very well from 1994 and up generally. I even remember the 1992 election and when the first Bush was president.

As a great thinker once said, we always select from the past the things that support our own theories and the points of view...I admit I am biased, and there's no real objective way around it. In a sense arguing about 'when the 00s' lead nowhere because there is no 'definitive' answer. It depends on from which point of view you approach it from. I still think it's 1999 tho ;-).

This is clearly a Heated Debate amongst us all.  I mean, I'm pretty confident in myself that I have a better point of view of 1999 than someone younger than me.  We experienced more as Teenagers in 1999 than a 9 or 10 year old did, and we had a more experienced look on life, we were more educated at the time and had a better sense of the stuff going on around us.  Also, we probably had a better understanding of the Pop-Culture at the time

1999 was the '90s, and don't throw cheap jabs at people because you're older.

You obviously didn't see the Smiley Face which means "I Come In Peace".  I've tried my best to sound as nice as possible when saying this stuff, but no matter how I say it, you all will take it as "Rude" and "Cheap Jabs", when in reality i'm just being nice

I see that you're upset over this just because some older people think differently about this, but you also have to see it from our point of view, that we are also kind of annoyed that people who were only 9 in 1999 think they know more about this than we do.  So we both have good arguments in why we are upset

And maybe you're biased because all you see the '90s as was grunge and earlier pop-rock

This isn't true at all, because I didn't even start to like Grunge Music until Last Year.  Heck, when I was a kid in the early '90s, I had no clue what Grunge was.  My favorite part of the '90s was the Mid-90s, not the Early '90s.  So i'm not biased and hanging on to the early '90s like you might think.  I actually enjoyed the Late '90s myself

This is clearly a Heated Debate amongst us all.  I mean, I'm pretty confident in myself that I have a better point of view of 1999 than someone younger than me.  We experienced more as Teenagers in 1999 than a 9 or 10 year old did, and we had a more experienced look on life, we were more educated at the time and had a better sense of the stuff going on around us.  Also, we probably had a better understanding of the Pop-Culture at the time

You obviously didn't see the Smiley Face which means "I Come In Peace".  I've tried my best to sound as nice as possible when saying this stuff, but no matter how I say it, you all will take it as "Rude" and "Cheap Jabs", when in reality i'm just being nice

I see that you're upset over this just because some older people think differently about this, but you also have to see it from our point of view, that we are also kind of annoyed that people who were only 9 in 1999 think they know more about this than we do.  So we both have good arguments in why we are upset

This isn't true at all, because I didn't even start to like Grunge Music until Last Year.  Heck, when I was a kid in the early '90s, I had no clue what Grunge was.  My favorite part of the '90s was the Mid-90s, not the Early '90s.  So i'm not biased and hanging on to the early '90s like you might think.  I actually enjoyed the Late '90s myself


As I said, we all tend to get caught up in our atittudes, and that need not be a divisive force; we can all agree to disagree and still discuss and analyse to our hearts content. Donnie and velvetoneo do know more about pop-culture than almost anyone born in 1990 I know, and, no offence either of you, people at that age tend to have a high smart-ass/arse factor. It's the age when kids try and 'act the most mature' - it's the know it all stage. Don't want to sound condescending, or look down on your because of age cos, heck I was once very much like that as well. I used to have many a long message board debate back then about people much older myself. ;).

Nonetheless, you both do sound quite mature and unlike most 'know it all' 15-16yos (its more 13-14-15yos), and I don't doubt you had a very good understanding and memory of the 90s, but there are still things, like as our friend who was born on the 19th May said, like education which totally dictates your worldview, and ends up being the difference between a 9year old and a 14 year olds POV. Of course there are exceptions, but on the whole I think it holds true.

And the board wouldn't be half as interesting without our small group of decade nerds... (Brian06, Donnie Darko, Jamie McBain, machinehead, 19.5.86, velvetoneo, any other's I've missed) even if I myself say more than I actually know!

Ok here's my view, I was born in 1987 and '90s music I remember mostly revolves around the late '90s, and 1999 without a doubt was still the late '90s. It obviously isn't peak or core '90s, but I still think that teen/bubblegum pop is a '90 trend that started still well in the '90s (1997) and ended around 2001 so I consider it mainly a late '90s trend not 2000s.

And the board wouldn't be half as interesting without our small group of decade nerds... (Brian06, Donnie Darko, Jamie McBain, machinehead, 19.5.86, velvetoneo, any other's I've missed) even if I myself say more than I actually know!


Of course it wouldn't.  ;)

Ok here's my view, I was born in 1987 and '90s music I remember mostly revolves around the late '90s, and 1999 without a doubt was still the late '90s. It obviously isn't peak or core '90s, but I still think that teen/bubblegum pop is a '90 trend that started still well in the '90s (1997) and ended around 2001 so I consider it mainly a late '90s trend not 2000s.


I think most people agree that teen-pop/bubblegum was largely a 90s phenomena, but the issue is whether the year 1999 had enough in common with the 00s in all aspects of technology, music.etc to be culturally part of the 00s, rather than the 90s. Which I think it does.

I think most people agree that teen-pop/bubblegum was largely a 90s phenomena, but the issue is whether the year 1999 had enough in common with the 00s in all aspects of technology, music.etc to be culturally part of the 00s, rather than the 90s. Which I think it does.


Exactamundo  ;)

I think most people agree that teen-pop/bubblegum was largely a 90s phenomena, but the issue is whether the year 1999 had enough in common with the 00s in all aspects of technology, music.etc to be culturally part of the 00s, rather than the 90s. Which I think it does.


Then you can look at the political situation and economy and that aspect was most certainly '90s. Technology I followed very well, so I know everything about it. DVDs were out before 1999, so was mp3, Napster did come out in 99 though. If you're going to go by technology then you may as well knock off the entire late '90s because they were quite advanced from the early-mid '90s. Technology changes constantly, you really can't cut 1999 off the '90s just because there's advancement in technology, doesn't make any sense.

In the end I don't we're going to agree on this and it's not really a big deal actually. I will agree though that 1999 was the start of a number of '00s trends and a lot less '90s then 1998.

Don't take the easy way out as say 'both'.  :D

This is clearly a Heated Debate amongst us all.  I mean, I'm pretty confident in myself that I have a better point of view of 1999 than someone younger than me.  We experienced more as Teenagers in 1999 than a 9 or 10 year old did, and we had a more experienced look on life, we were more educated at the time and had a better sense of the stuff going on around us.  Also, we probably had a better understanding of the Pop-Culture at the time


I agree, I don't know 1999 as well as I know say 2004 or 2006.  But still, 1999 isn't "before my time" in any way.  With all due respect :)

I do think that 1999 is "pseudo-'90s" ... I actually used to think that 1992-1998 were the only real '90s years, but I think I would include 1999, 2000, and early 2001, along with late 1991 in there too.  1999 still "felt" like the '90s, even if it did essentially launch the '00s culture ... from the perspective of 1999 it was very, VERY "Nineties".

I agree, I don't know 1999 as well as I know say 2004 or 2006.  But still, 1999 isn't "before my time" in any way.  With all due respect :)

I do think that 1999 is "pseudo-'90s" ... I actually used to think that 1992-1998 were the only real '90s years, but I think I would include 1999, 2000, and early 2001, along with late 1991 in there too.  1999 still "felt" like the '90s, even if it did essentially launch the '00s culture ... from the perspective of 1999 it was very, VERY "Nineties".



I was 12 in 1999 and remember it well and I agree here. In '99 rap wasn't bigger than pop, pop was still king and would be until sometime in 2001. I do agree though that '99 started alot of '00s trends but alot of '90s trends started in 1989 and I still consider that to be an overall '80s year. Also as has been stated before since Clinton was still in office 1999-2001 still had a late 90's atmosphere to it.

Gas was dirt cheap in 99 too around here, very un-'00s, lol.

I think most people agree that teen-pop/bubblegum was largely a 90s phenomena, but the issue is whether the year 1999 had enough in common with the 00s in all aspects of technology, music.etc to be culturally part of the 00s, rather than the 90s. Which I think it does.


The music of 1999 wasn't really around all that much in 2004, though, which was the peak of the '00s. Most '99ish music (teen pop, Eminem, nu metal, post-grunge, etc.) didn't remain all that popular when the "real '00s" finally rolled around in the summer of 2003. I'm actually thinking back now and remembering '99-'00, when I was in 4th grade, and I would say the atmosphere (politics, the economy, like people's attitudes about things, the way people acted, DVDs and cell phones being around but not necessary) were '90s, but, '99-'00 was significantly less '90s than '98-'99. The music and TV weren't '00s, but they were less '90s certainly than even 1998. Like the "college rock" type music and all the '90s pop-rock started going out and nu metal, post-grunge, teen pop, Latin pop were huge...none of those are really peak '00s, genuinely '00s things, but they aren't all that '90s either. It was significantly less '90s and in terms of technology more '00s, but I still think of it as '90s. Also, alot of songs from 1999 sound incredibly dated now and have since late 2004, probably (Jennifer Lopez's earlier stuff, Christina Aguilera.) Then and again, there are certain '99ish things that seem a little bit more early '00s (The Slim Shady LP, Tegan and Sara, Macy Gray, Jessica Simpson, The White Stripes.) I think 1997 and 1998 had things in common with the mid '90s and the 1999-2000 year, but 1999-2000 didn't have much in common with the mid-'90s and more with 1997 and 1998. Also, grunge and '90s alt rock, and the whole Lollapalooza style, were pretty cool and recent in '99-'00.

The music of 1999 wasn't really around all that much in 2004, though, which was the peak of the '00s. Most '99ish music (teen pop, Eminem, nu metal, post-grunge, etc.) didn't remain all that popular when the "real '00s" finally rolled around in the summer of 2003. I'm actually thinking back now and remembering '99-'00, when I was in 4th grade, and I would say the atmosphere (politics, the economy, like people's attitudes about things, the way people acted, DVDs and cell phones being around but not necessary) were '90s, but, '99-'00 was significantly less '90s than '98-'99. The music and TV weren't '00s, but they were less '90s certainly than even 1998. Like the "college rock" type music and all the '90s pop-rock started going out and nu metal, post-grunge, teen pop, Latin pop were huge...none of those are really peak '00s, genuinely '00s things, but they aren't all that '90s either. It was significantly less '90s and in terms of technology more '00s, but I still think of it as '90s. Also, alot of songs from 1999 sound incredibly dated now and have since late 2004, probably (Jennifer Lopez's earlier stuff, Christina Aguilera.) Then and again, there are certain '99ish things that seem a little bit more early '00s (The Slim Shady LP, Tegan and Sara, Macy Gray, Jessica Simpson, The White Stripes.) I think 1997 and 1998 had things in common with the mid '90s and the 1999-2000 year, but 1999-2000 didn't have much in common with the mid-'90s and more with 1997 and 1998. Also, grunge and '90s alt rock, and the whole Lollapalooza style, were pretty cool and recent in '99-'00.


That's kind of why I consider 1999 more '90s because it has more in common with 1997 and 1998 than say 2002. Teen pop dominated in 1999, that's why ruled radio for the most part. 1999 was the peak late '90s pop year really, with some more early '00s things sneaking in (Eminem, Jay-Z, J-Lo, latin pop). If teen/bubblegum pop is a '90s phenomena and that's what dominated music in 1999, then 1999 is still '90s.

Plus TLC was still cool in 99.

That's kind of why I consider 1999 more '90s because it has more in common with 1997 and 1998 than say 2002. Teen pop dominated in 1999, that's why ruled radio for the most part. 1999 was the peak late '90s pop year really, with some more early '00s things sneaking in (Eminem, Jay-Z, J-Lo, latin pop). If teen/bubblegum pop is a '90s phenomena and that's what dominated music in 1999, then 1999 is still '90s.


Even J-Lo's 1999 songs now sound dated, with all the pseudo-'90s production and techno affectations.

Even J-Lo's 1999 songs now sound dated, with all the pseudo-'90s production and techno affectations.


Oh yea, well even 2001 songs sound dated. Her early songs kind of fit in with the late '90s pop, just like Pink when she first came out. Then with the "This Is Me...Then" album in 2002 she became very '00s.

See Trimac, I told ya  ;D

See Trimac, I told ya  ;D


I guess it depends on what you listened to then, I listened to the same pop as I did in 97 or 98 that I listened to 1999. 1999 is more late '90s than early '00s, I just don't know how you can't see that. The '00s didn't really get going till late 2000 or so.

I guess it depends on what you listened to then, I listened to the same pop as I did in 97 or 98 that I listened to 1999. 1999 is more late '90s than early '00s, I just don't know how you can't see that. The '00s didn't really get going till late 2000 or so.


Look at 1998 and 1999 and just try and tell me that they are similar.  Then look at 1999 and 2000 and try and tell me that they are any different

Look at 1998 and 1999 and just try and tell me that they are similar.  Then look at 1999 and 2000 and try and tell me that they are any different


While I agree that 1998 and 1999 are a bit different, I still consider them part of the same late '90s era which extends into 2000. There's quite a bit of a change in 2001, when hip-hop really began to take over everything late in the year and the bubblegum pop faded away. I still say 2000 has much more in common with 98 than it does say 2005. Maybe 1999-early 2001 are their own little era separate from the '90s and the '00s, that's all I can say.

I do agree that 1999 had that very millennium entering a new era kinda feel, so it is different but not really the 2000s yet either.

I think that one can't say 1999 was '00s just because it was different from the rest of the '90s, when apart from the technology it shared very little in common with the '00s. Really, 2000 wasn't all that similar to 2003, 2004, or 2005. It was much more similar to 1998...though I do admit 1999 had more in common with 2000 than 1998, both were ultimately the late '90s...teen pop, pop/rap R&B and new jack swing, and nu metal/post-grunge dominated the years, though there were some things that are more truly early '00s like say Eminem and earlier emo/"classic rock revival" stuff like the Strokes, even though most teens were not really aware of that.

I think that one can't say 1999 was '00s just because it was different from the rest of the '90s, when apart from the technology it shared very little in common with the '00s. Really, 2000 wasn't all that similar to 2003, 2004, or 2005. It was much more similar to 1998...though I do admit 1999 had more in common with 2000 than 1998, both were ultimately the late '90s...teen pop, pop/rap R&B and new jack swing, and nu metal/post-grunge dominated the years, though there were some things that are more truly early '00s like say Eminem and earlier emo/"classic rock revival" stuff like the Strokes, even though most teens were not really aware of that.


I don't feel like arguing about it anymore, lol. I don't I'm going to change their opinion. I think MartyMcFly said he thinks 99 is '90s too and his was born in '81. My cousin born in 80 also thinks it's '90s. It began the trasition to the '00s, but it's not 2000s yet.

I don't feel like arguing about it anymore, lol. I don't I'm going to change their opinion. I think MartyMcFly said he thinks 99 is '90s too and his was born in '81. My cousin born in 80 also thinks it's '90s. It began the trasition to the '00s, but it's not 2000s yet.


Yeah, I don't either.

Yeah, I don't either.


You were the one who created it...what did you expect?  :D

Have to admit, this is one of the most  ::) threads out there, surely worthy of one of my threads. Let's just say 1999 and 2001 had strongly influences from both decades and leave it at that. It's the extent to which they belonged to either that the 90s/00s which we're disagreeing on.

Hmmm, there were more '00sish things about '99 than I originally thought, actually, when I took a second look at the TV premieres and such. But I don't think the "feel" was all that '00s, so we can stop arguing or what not and agree to disagree. I think it depends on what perspective you look at it from.

Hmmm, there were more '00sish things about '99 than I originally thought, actually, when I took a second look at the TV premieres and such. But I don't think the "feel" was all that '00s, so we can stop arguing or what not and agree to disagree. I think it depends on what perspective you look at it from.


Yea I agree, it all depends on how you look at it.

The more I think back you guys do have a point, a lot changed in 1999. DVD really was taking over that year, that's when I got my first DVDs and DVD players. HDTVs were appearing. Digital camcorders were spreading, same with digital cameras. Music began it's turn towards the '00s, but I still think it was more late '90s like then '00s overall. I think I'll just say both overall for 1999 and 2000, they're really neither truly '90s or '00s. 2001 is more '00s.

The more I think back you guys do have a point, a lot changed in 1999. DVD really was taking over that year, that's when I got my first DVDs and DVD players. HDTVs were appearing. Digital camcorders were spreading, same with digital cameras. Music began it's turn towards the '00s, but I still think it was more late '90s like then '00s overall. I think I'll just say both overall for 1999 and 2000, they're really neither truly '90s or '00s. 2001 is more '00s.


Yeah, though VHS was still king into 2002. Alot of those technologies did start spreading that year (digital cameras, camcorders, etc.) but they didn't reach saturation point until 2003, even. It's like how VHS started in the early '80s, but didn't reach saturation point until like 1986, maybe. I think 98-99 was the last "fully '90s" cultural year and 99-00 and 00-01 were in between the two. Overall more '90s, though, because of the pre-9/11 feel and the lack of really genuine '00s musical trends (glam hop, emo, indiemo, etc.) 99-00 was the equivalent to 89-90, it had alot of things that weren't quite '90s but didn't last so far into the '00s either, though I think 89-90 was somewhat more '90s than 99-00 was '00s, because of the Y2K excitement and dot-com boom, and the lack of the terrorism fear.

89-90 was still appreciably far more 80s in feel than 90s...believe me, they were almost indistinguishable from 85-86. As I've said, aside from music, the 80s were a decade which carried on well into the 90s: even in 1994 the ghost of the 80s zeitgeist hung in the air. In fact think a movie was made in the 80s, when in fact it was released in the 90s. 1994 was probably the last year with significant 90s influence, but the 80s really lasted as a cohesive period until at least mid-1991.

89-90 was still appreciably far more 80s in feel than 90s...believe me, they were almost indistinguishable from 85-86. As I've said, aside from music, the 80s were a decade which carried on well into the 90s: even in 1994 the ghost of the 80s zeitgeist hung in the air. In fact think a movie was made in the 80s, when in fact it was released in the 90s. 1994 was probably the last year with significant 90s influence, but the 80s really lasted as a cohesive period until at least mid-1991.


I think you posted this in the wrong thread  :D

89-90 was still appreciably far more 80s in feel than 90s...believe me, they were almost indistinguishable from 85-86. As I've said, aside from music, the 80s were a decade which carried on well into the 90s: even in 1994 the ghost of the 80s zeitgeist hung in the air. In fact think a movie was made in the 80s, when in fact it was released in the 90s. 1994 was probably the last year with significant 90s influence, but the 80s really lasted as a cohesive period until at least mid-1991.


I agree. Sure, 1987 wasn't cool in 1990, but 1990 wasn't cool at all in 1993.  I'd say the "Eighties" as people know them are musically about 1982-mid 1991.  As far as television goes, they're about 1984 to 1993.  Overall I'd say the "Eighties" world is about 1981 to 1992. They were a very long lasting decade.

One thing I get with the early nineties is that it looked like the eighties, but people acted like it was the early '90s.  The exact opposite goes for the early '00s ... they looked and felt '00s, but people acted like it was the '90s!

I agree. Sure, 1987 wasn't cool in 1990, but 1990 wasn't cool at all in 1993.  I'd say the "Eighties" as people know them are musically about 1982-mid 1991.  As far as television goes, they're about 1984 to 1993.  Overall I'd say the "Eighties" world is about 1981 to 1992. They were a very long lasting decade.

One thing I get with the early nineties is that it looked like the eighties, but people acted like it was the early '90s.  The exact opposite goes for the early '00s ... they looked and felt '00s, but people acted like it was the '90s!


Yeah, I agree. People didn't start acting like it was the '00s fully until the middle of 2003 or so. The early '90s looked like a more "modern" '80s but people acted '90s from the middle of 1989 on or so. I would say the "'80s" television period finally concluded in 1993, but there were already '90s shows like Seinfeld, The Simpsons etc. on the air which, despite having been around since the pre-'90s, are very, very '90s shows. Thanks for making me realize the change in the middle of 2003 was more the people than anything else. People got that super-materialistic "'00s" attitude in late 2003, just as they were becoming politically apathetic again.

How does one 'act like it's the 00s?' How is that different from acting like its the 90s? Socially both were pretty much the same. To me it sounds an odd thing to say...

How does one 'act like it's the 00s?' How is that different from acting like its the 90s? Socially both were pretty much the same. To me it sounds an odd thing to say...


Eh, in the US, for teens anyway, I think it's alot less regard for being PC and charitable, being more self-centered in some ways, and more obsessed with style, personal preference, more driven, and absolutely obsessed with expensive status symbols.

I agree there's a difference between "acting" and "feeling." Like, people acted '90s for a very long time...some people (alt rock fans and twentysomethings, emblems of the Reality Bites subculture) were acting sort of '90s from the late '80s, but most people "acted" '90s from late 1989 or so to sometime in 2003, in some ways. People acted '80s from like maybe late 1982 to the middle of 1989. However, the "'80s" look only really stopped in 1992.

Eh, in the US, for teens anyway, I think it's alot less regard for being PC and charitable, being more self-centered in some ways, and more obsessed with style, personal preference, more driven, and absolutely obsessed with expensive status symbols.

I agree there's a difference between "acting" and "feeling." Like, people acted '90s for a very long time...some people (alt rock fans and twentysomethings, emblems of the Reality Bites subculture) were acting sort of '90s from the late '80s, but most people "acted" '90s from late 1989 or so to sometime in 2003, in some ways. People acted '80s from like maybe late 1982 to the middle of 1989. However, the "'80s" look only really stopped in 1992.


You're 16....I doubt you would have any first hand experience on whether or not everyone was acting "80s" or "90s" in the Early 90s

You're 16....I doubt you would have any first hand experience on whether or not everyone was acting "80s" or "90s" in the Early 90s


Well, would you? You were like 6. This is from talking to alot of people, movies, etc.

I do know teens were still acting fairly '90s around 2001-2002 and even in 2002-2003, from knowing alot of teens then.

Well, would you? You were like 6. This is from talking to alot of people, movies, etc.

I do know teens were still acting fairly '90s around 2001-2002 and even in 2002-2003, from knowing alot of teens then.


Well to be fair, I do have a better first hand view on it.  I actually do remember a good deal of the Early '90s and I hung around at my Uncle & Aunt's House alot during the early 90s and my cousins at the time were Teenagers.  So I got a good feel of how Teenagers acted and dressed in the early 90s

btw, I'm not saying you're totally Wrong or anything.  It's just the fact that you were, I guess, a Baby in the very Early 90s, yet you talk about it like you remember it so well  :D

Well, would you? You were like 6. This is from talking to alot of people, movies, etc.

I do know teens were still acting fairly '90s around 2001-2002 and even in 2002-2003, from knowing alot of teens then.


Despite what they say, teens are greatly influenced by the role models they had. Come to think, the 00s weren't a very 'teen' period; I mean, teen culture wasn't that much in the mainstream as it was in the 50s, or even the 90s. We had no equivalent to 'Saved by the Bell,' and 'DeGrassi' changed so much from the 90s in the early 00s, so 00s teens largely got there cues from 90s teens, from watching all those 90s tv shows.

Well to be fair, I do have a better first hand view on it.  I actually do remember a good deal of the Early '90s and I hung around at my Uncle & Aunt's House alot during the early 90s and my cousins at the time were Teenagers.  So I got a good feel of how Teenagers acted and dressed in the early 90s

btw, I'm not saying you're totally Wrong or anything.  It's just the fact that you were, I guess, a Baby in the very Early 90s, yet you talk about it like you remember it so well  :D


I watched Clarissa Explains It All and Saved by the Bell alot in the mid-'90s, so I know the early '90s, better than the late '80s, anyway. Those shows sort of outlined how early '90s teens were supposed to act, if not necessarily act in real life. Like The O.C. is a good representation of the way '00s teens are "supposed to act." Can you just respond to my posts without constantly talking about my age, please? You wouldn't like it if somebody born in 1982 belittled your view of the late '80s.

My theory is that the '00s teen originated when The O.C. came out.

Yes, you don't have to have lived at a time when a TV show was on prime time to remember it. I watched 'Clarissa' in the late 90s not realising (back then) it was from the early 90s. I was only 11, and thought all the shows on Nick were new episodes (I was naive back then), so shows like that didn't strike me as 'odd' or 'outdated.' I also recall the 'Cosby Show', 'Full House', 'Home Improvement.' etc, and remember it was only later I saw how dated they looked.

I remember a number of TV shows when they were on live. Clarissa I watched since I was very young, I'm sure I caught some of its original run, I believe it ended in 1994. Salute Your Shorts is another show I deifnitely watched some during its original run. I watched a lot of Nick in the early-mid '90s so I remember it all pretty well. Home Improvement, I remember when that was on and watched a bit of it. I remember when Full House was on as well. I watched a lot of ABC back then, so most of the shows I do remember from the early-mid '90s were probably on ABC.