Hi my name is Juan, and i'm from Argentina.
With this post, u can prove that your culture is worldwide, how can an argentinean discuss about american culture??
kind of weird.

I was born in 1989, and start living the 90's in 1996, but not so much since i was a little kid.
I remember i was scared of "Black hole sun" video and change the channel. Great memory.

well before talking about my post, i have to admitt that i love the 90's even though i didn't live it like u did.
THe 90's for me was a great decade for united states and argentina. All great bands such us nirvana, ,megadeth, metallica, rolling stones, started coming here.

I saw this web site and i was like..shocked, my dream site!!!.

And talking about married with children, many said that "if they debut in 1987 is from the 80's"

Then, all the 90's great things are from the 80's, right?

Nirvana (my favorite band) is an 80's band 'cause their debut album is from 1989
Soundgarden started in 1986!!
seinfeld is an 80's show 'cause they started in 1989

and somthing to clarify, if a show is in the mainstream, it doesn't mean it is in it's best time.
4 me defining in which decade belongs married with children, i think is the 90's 'cause the best shows (not considering mainstream) were from this decade.


AND don't forget about pat metheny, and he's awesme album "Secret Story".

PLUS: if u think married with children is from the 80's , then VAN HALEN is a 70's band.

c u from Argentina

Juan

Actually, Van Halen released their first album in 1978, so they are a 70's band by technicality ;)

Married With Children is both an 80's and a 90's show.  It ran for nearly 3 seasons in the 80's, so it qualifies :)

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thx for answering!!  :)

any other comment??

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Well...For me, Married With Children, for the first three seasons, iis an 80's show. Then, after December 31st, 1989, any episodes after this date, were 90's shows.

Same goes with every show that ran over 2 decades.


As far as music goes...Songs that came out between January 1 1970 and December 31st 1979 are 70's songs.

Songs that came out between January 1 1980 and December 31st 1989 are 80's songs.

Songs that came out between January 1 1990 and December 31st 1999 are 90's songs.


and so on...

(Although, there are songs that were also cross over songs. For example, He Aint Heavy, He's My Brother by The Hollies was released in 1969 and was still in the charts in 1970, so it is technically a late 60's-early 70's song).

Styles are another touchy issue. New Wave began in the 70's, but is seen as an 80's thing because this is when it was everywhere.

As far as singers go...Van Halen is a 70's, 80, and 90's band...Michael Jackson is a 60's, 70's 80's, 90's and 00's artist and so on. In the 70's they were 70's, in the 80's they were 80's and so on.


I mean, really, you cant call the Married With Children episodes that aired between 1987 and 1989 a 90's show because the 90's hadnt even began yet. In hindsight it could have a 90's style about it (though IMO it doesnt), but those episodes ARE 80's.






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I agree with u...BUT
we can call it a Pre-90's show

many things in 1988 or 1989 in some parts of america looked like the 90's.


But...no...you are right, the 3 seasons i saw, were so much eighties...the hair of kelly is one example

Well...For me, Married With Children, for the first three seasons, iis an 80's show. Then, after December 31st, 1989, any episodes after this date, were 90's shows.

Same goes with every show that ran over 2 decades.


As far as music goes...Songs that came out between January 1 1970 and December 31st 1979 are 70's songs.

Songs that came out between January 1 1980 and December 31st 1989 are 80's songs.

Songs that came out between January 1 1990 and December 31st 1999 are 90's songs.


and so on...

(Although, there are songs that were also cross over songs. For example, He Aint Heavy, He's My Brother by The Hollies was released in 1969 and was still in the charts in 1970, so it is technically a late 60's-early 70's song).

Styles are another touchy issue. New Wave began in the 70's, but is seen as an 80's thing because this is when it was everywhere.

As far as singers go...Van Halen is a 70's, 80, and 90's band...Michael Jackson is a 60's, 70's 80's, 90's and 00's artist and so on. In the 70's they were 70's, in the 80's they were 80's and so on.


I mean, really, you cant call the Married With Children episodes that aired between 1987 and 1989 a 90's show because the 90's hadnt even began yet. In hindsight it could have a 90's style about it (though IMO it doesnt), but those episodes ARE 80's.






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Well of course you're technically right, but you'd have to be an idiot to think that people suddenly change their tastes at the end of decades, like in the snap of a finger.

Well of course you're technically right, but you'd have to be an idiot to think that people suddenly change their tastes at the end of decades, like in the snap of a finger.



Oh I agree 100%

But when talking about shows and music, the lines are definately drawn. There can be exceptions to this rule, but the 3 seasons of Married With Children from the 80's are SO 80's that you couldnt call them anything else.

Tastes and styles (as in clothes, hair etc) are a very different matter altogether. For example, my favorite decade (the 1970's) was definately still the 1960's until around 1974/5 when it came to clothes and hair styles.

Tastes are not confined to time. After all, I still know a guy who loves his bell bottoms, ruffled shirts and that whole 70's look. Popular fashion is so fickle that at times the 80's are 'in' and then the 70's and so on. Weve recycled so much fashion its not even funny. Tastes (as in what people like and what they wear etc) is not dictated to by time...But TV shows, movies and music are dictated to by time. Although, as Ive said, some do cross over and others are songs in the wrong decade...An example of this is The Captain & Tenille's (Sp?) Do That To Me One More Time. Thats a 70's song, but came out in 1980. There are others like this, but most are not the same.





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Oh I agree 100%

But when talking about shows and music, the lines are definately drawn. There can be exceptions to this rule, but the 3 seasons of Married With Children from the 80's are SO 80's that you couldnt call them anything else.

Tastes and styles (as in clothes, hair etc) are a very different matter altogether. For example, my favorite decade (the 1970's) was definately still the 1960's until around 1974/5 when it came to clothes and hair styles.

Tastes are not confined to time. After all, I still know a guy who loves his bell bottoms, ruffled shirts and that whole 70's look. Popular fashion is so fickle that at times the 80's are 'in' and then the 70's and so on. Weve recycled so much fashion its not even funny. Tastes (as in what people like and what they wear etc) is not dictated to by time...But TV shows, movies and music are dictated to by time. Although, as Ive said, some do cross over and others are songs in the wrong decade...An example of this is The Captain & Tenille's (Sp?) Do That To Me One More Time. Thats a 70's song, but came out in 1980. There are others like this, but most are not the same.





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Do the 1990 and 1991 episodes scream '90s or are they more "less late '80s"?  Also, the '90s extend up to the present day in many ways.

A funny thing about 1980 & '81 and 1990 and '91 is that while they're not particulary '70s/'80s looking, they have little true '80s/'90s in them, so those very early '80s look like they're not in a decade and the very early '90s have a "vaguely '80s" look to them. 

Do the 1990 and 1991 episodes scream '90s or are they more "less late '80s"?  Also, the '90s extend up to the present day in many ways.

A funny thing about 1980 & '81 and 1990 and '91 is that while they're not particulary '70s/'80s looking, they have little true '80s/'90s in them, so those very early '80s look like they're not in a decade and the very early '90s have a "vaguely '80s" look to them. 


I agree that the early 90's episodes ('90-'91) had tones of the 80's in them...But to say that the 80's episodes had tones from the '90s in them (which I believe was Juan's intent) is not possible. Sorry, check that, it IS possible, but so vary rare that a show can accurately 'predict' the fashion trends of the next  six months, let alone the next two years. Some shows can set trends, but looking at the first few seasons of Married With Children you can see that these episodes are reflecting the late 80's trends, not setting them.


The very early '80s TV shows looked like they were from the late 70's, but the late '70s shows simply looked like late '70s shows. It is usually around 2 or 3 years into a decade that they take on a 'look' a 'sound' or a 'feel' of their own in my experience.

I guess what I am saying is that, especially with TV shows, they do have a certain 'feel' or 'look' to them at the turn of a decade, and that look, when reflected upon around ten years later, can definately be seen as a 'left over' from the previous decade...BUT, IMO they dont have the look of the coming dacade UNLESS there is a concious effort to do this, and nine times out of ten they get it wrong when attempting this.

I mean, imagine what someone in the 1970's wouldve thought of when asked to picture what a TV show in the 80's would look like. Imagine what someone from the 70's wouldve imagined when asked to picture fashions from the 80's. Thats why most shows and movies usually get it wrong when trying to predict the future of popular culture. Back in 1982, when I was ten, I was asked in my year 4 class to imagine what life in the year 2000 would be like...Well, I imagined it to be very much like a cross between The Jetsons and the 1970's version of Buck Rodgers In The 25th Century.




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I agree that the early 90's episodes ('90-'91) had tones of the 80's in them...But to say that the 80's episodes had tones from the '90s in them (which I believe was Juan's intent) is not possible. Sorry, check that, it IS possible, but so vary rare that a show can accurately 'predict' the fashion trends of the next  six months, let alone the next two years. Some shows can set trends, but looking at the first few seasons of Married With Children you can see that these episodes are reflecting the late 80's trends, not setting them.


The very early '80s TV shows looked like they were from the late 70's, but the late '70s shows simply looked like late '70s shows. It is usually around 2 or 3 years into a decade that they take on a 'look' a 'sound' or a 'feel' of their own in my experience.

I guess what I am saying is that, especially with TV shows, they do have a certain 'feel' or 'look' to them at the turn of a decade, and that look, when reflected upon around ten years later, can definately be seen as a 'left over' from the previous decade...BUT, IMO they dont have the look of the coming dacade UNLESS there is a concious effort to do this, and nine times out of ten they get it wrong when attempting this.

I mean, imagine what someone in the 1970's wouldve thought of when asked to picture what a TV show in the 80's would look like. Imagine what someone from the 70's wouldve imagined when asked to picture fashions from the 80's. Thats why most shows and movies usually get it wrong when trying to predict the future of popular culture. Back in 1982, when I was ten, I was asked in my year 4 class to imagine what life in the year 2000 would be like...Well, I imagined it to be very much like a cross between The Jetsons and the 1970's version of Buck Rodgers In The 25th Century.




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I have to (partly) disagree.  I do agree the decades almost always arrive late, they seem to differentiate themselves from the just-finished decade about 1 1/2 years after they start (the only exception would be 50s/60s - the 50s went clear up to Kennedy's assasination). 

What I disagree with is decades not being able to predate themselves.  Take the boybands for instance.  In 1999 they'd of course be seen as a '90s thing, but in 2003 they'd seem like a '90s and '00s thing, since they were present as late as 2001'-02.  I don't think they're really a '00s or '90s thing, but they did lead up to the youth-obsessed 2000s in many ways.

I have to (partly) disagree.  I do agree the decades almost always arrive late, they seem to differentiate themselves from the just-finished decade about 1 1/2 years after they start (the only exception would be 50s/60s - the 50s went clear up to Kennedy's assasination). 

What I disagree with is decades not being able to predate themselves.  Take the boybands for instance.  In 1999 they'd of course be seen as a '90s thing, but in 2003 they'd seem like a '90s and '00s thing, since they were present as late as 2001'-02.  I don't think they're really a '00s or '90s thing, but they did lead up to the youth-obsessed 2000s in many ways.



I agree with you on the boy bands to an extent...Except that their real origins (as far as modern boy bands go) were definately in the 1980's. New Kids On The Block for example, were an 80's boy band.

Music can predate itself. I will agree with you on that. There can be a song which sounds like it is, for an example, a 90's song, but is really an 80's song. But, no matter how you look at it, that song belongs to the 80's.

TV shows and movies, on the other hand, are a completely different kettle of fish. Sure, there are a few that set trends for the coming decade, but they are very few and far between.

Songs from the 1970's can sound like new songs to someone who hasnt heard them before, which is why we get many of the older songs being sampled and becoming huge (For example the guitar riff from the Led Zeppelin song Kashmir was used as the music track for the rap song Come With Me from the Godzilla soundtrack and became huge, same with Madonna and her latest song).

Yet, the visual will always be seen as being from a certain decade. Of course, fashions do get recycled (usually on a 20 year cycle from my experience), but even to people concede that they are from a previous generation. An example of this was the resurgence of the 'friendship' bands and leg warmers here in Australia back in the late 1990's.

Also, as far as film and TV goes, you can actually see from all of the cultural references which decade it is from (or which decade it crosses over from/into).






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