I think some people find it strange that I actually watch wrestling for the wrestling.



But,don't you watch wrestling for the storylines? :D




Howard

Pro wrestling has had storylines forever, so I guess it depends on your definition of storyline Howard. I like the fued that Big Boss Man and Mountie Had where the looser had to spend a night in jail or the Time Repo Man would come out and attack the bulldog and ole Davey Boy powerslammed and pinned him a week later on Raw in less than 5 minutes. However these storylines like Who's the father of Lita's baby and Triple H pretending to screw a corpse is plain disgusting and raunchy. It's wrong and No I don't like those storylines.

Bobby - I think the reason people don't get those Porno flicks is because if they did that then they'd be "Weirdo's", "Perverts", and God forbid UN-Normal. Everyone and their dog watches Pro wrestling now a days so as long as everyone else is doing it, it's "Normal".


Well IMO let them pay a lot of money for their own insecurities, Harmonica. Lol. Honestly, I would rather pay 2 or 3 pounds (4 dollars?) to hire a porno film than goodness knows how much to watch a woman who doesn't even flash! Basic economics I say.  ;D

I agree with you,Bobby.Wrestling sucks and it will still continue to suck as far as I'm concerned. >:( :P


It's a shame because I don't think wrestling 'sucks'. It has the potential to be exactly like it was from the 70s - very early 90s. The WWE don't want to go back though and I find that, as a result, wrestling will continue to suck.

Pro wrestling has had storylines forever, so I guess it depends on your definition of storyline Howard. I like the fued that Big Boss Man and Mountie Had where the looser had to spend a night in jail or the Time Repo Man would come out and attack the bulldog and ole Davey Boy powerslammed and pinned him a week later on Raw in less than 5 minutes. However these storylines like Who's the father of Lita's baby and Triple H pretending to screw a corpse is plain disgusting and raunchy. It's wrong and No I don't like those storylines.


Wrestling thrives on storylines. Most were simple but they were storylines nonetheless. The feud between The Bossman and The Mountie was at least relevant (two areas of law enforcement face off against each other - looking at it more deeply America V Canada). The Jailhouse match at Summerslam was awful but the vignettes that occurred during the P-P-V was funny and showed one of it's daring scenes at the time when The Mountie was stuck in a cell with another prisoner. That was cheeky though and wasn't raunchy IMO.

I didn't see the part where HHH was pretending to screw a corpse. How wrong is that!?! What I find ironic is these people you say are trying to be 'normal', Harmonica, by following mob mentality has opted to go for the necrophilia option instead.  ;D

If the majority of people think it's right, then it's considered normal or appropriate.  Society as a whole is not a leader, it is a follower. It's proven again and again and again. Look at Adolf Hitler, look at abortion, look at Osama Bin Ladin. Wrong. Yes. Matters? No. The majority of people view something to be something then thats they way it is in the eyes of the people, even if IT ISN'T the way it is in all sense of reality.

If the majority of people think it's right, then it's considered normal or appropriate.  Society as a whole is not a leader, it is a follower. It's proven again and again and again. Look at Adolf Hitler, look at abortion, look at Osama Bin Ladin. Wrong. Yes. Matters? No. The majority of people view something to be something then thats they way it is in the eyes of the people, even if IT ISN'T the way it is in all sense of reality.


I must admit, Harmonica. We are stepping into something other than wrestling now.  :)

If you were referring to my last post, I was just musing over what you said about what people find as normal or abnormal. Nothing more and nothing less.

I agree with you, society follows and not leads, which is why I used the term 'mob mentality'.  :-\\

 

Wrestling is my absolute favorite thing 2 watch... I find nothing wrong with wrestling. It bothers quite a few people, but it doesn't bother me at all. I'm fifteen and I'm able to stomach all of the nasty little things they sometimes come up with.At the end of the day some of these people should know that part of wrestling IS "fake".... :-X lol. All and all, its not THAT horribly bad to watch ;)!

                                        -Jenny

Pro wrestling has had storylines forever, so I guess it depends on your definition of storyline Howard. I like the fued that Big Boss Man and Mountie Had where the looser had to spend a night in jail or the Time Repo Man would come out and attack the bulldog and ole Davey Boy powerslammed and pinned him a week later on Raw in less than 5 minutes. However these storylines like Who's the father of Lita's baby and Triple H pretending to screw a corpse is plain disgusting and raunchy. It's wrong and No I don't like those storylines.


And people wonder why the ratings are down & attendance is extremely low.Last week's was a horrible 3.1 for Smackdown.I only wonder what the ratings were this week for Monday Night Raw? :P


Howard

Wrestling thrives on storylines. Most were simple but they were storylines nonetheless. The feud between The Bossman and The Mountie was at least relevant (two areas of law enforcement face off against each other - looking at it more deeply America V Canada). The Jailhouse match at Summerslam was awful but the vignettes that occurred during the P-P-V was funny and showed one of it's daring scenes at the time when The Mountie was stuck in a cell with another prisoner. That was cheeky though and wasn't raunchy IMO.

Well,let me say this.If WWE got the F back in,screw the bikni matches,make less ridiculous storylines and get better competition,WWF would be a better show or shows to watch.That's my 2 cents. ;)



Howard

It's a shame because I don't think wrestling 'sucks'. It has the potential to be exactly like it was from the 70s - very early 90s. The WWE don't want to go back though and I find that, as a result, wrestling will continue to suck


I agree with you 100% Bob. http://www.prowrestling.com/discuss/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif


Howard

Wrestling is my absolute favorite thing 2 watch... I find nothing wrong with wrestling. It bothers quite a few people, but it doesn't bother me at all. I'm fifteen and I'm able to stomach all of the nasty little things they sometimes come up with.At the end of the day some of these people should know that part of wrestling IS "fake".... :-X lol. All and all, its not THAT horribly bad to watch ;)!

                                         -Jenny


May I commend you RocknRollPrincess on having great taste in Sports Entertainment and secondly, that you are right, wrestling (surprise suprise to some) is predetermined. The main problem I do have is the execution of storylines and not neccessarily what the storylines contain. Adult themes like relationships, death and betrayal are great topics for wrestling but it's the uninterested way the WWE shows them. I remember a time when the Bigbossman cooked Al Snow's dog (!). When BigShow's dad died, Bogbossman would come along to the funeral and tie the coffin to his truck and ride off with it! Not only did the plot get little air time to develop, it was quite tasteless. It's great to put a heel (baddie) over but sometimes you've got to feel for the wrestlers in the way they have been portrayed. My personal top 10 wasted wrestlers in the WWE:

10. Rob Van Dam

The man hailing from Battlecreek, Michigan was perhaps rightly called 'The Whole F...in' Show' in ECW and had tremendous 20 minute plus matches with wrestlers like Lance Storm, Tommy Dreamer and Sabu. Now, the man seems to have got lazy preferring to do a patterned repertoir rather than show his excellence. Despite this, Van Dam deserves better, longer matches and definitely deserves a match with Shawn Michaels (preferrably in a WWE title match). His tag team partners (Booker T?) haven't done his image any favours either. He doesn't do the Van Daminator or the Van Terminator much these days either.

9. 'Million Dollar Man' Ted Dibiase

Not Ted Dibiase? Well think about it. He arrived and got a massive response trying to buy the WWF belt from Andre before Wrestlemania 4 but straight after, he was wasted talent (his repeated feuds with Hogan masked how ill-used he was) until Virgil turned on him at Royal Rumble 1991 (despite an excellent performance at the Royal Rumble the previous year). The feud with Virgil wasn't that amazing really and was helped along by 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper. After losing twice to 'jobber' Virgil in P-P-Vs. He had an appalling performance at Royal Rumble 1992 and from there became Money Inc where, once they got the tag titles, preferred to get counted out during matches. In hindsight, they could have done much more with Ted Dibiase and the gimmick IMO.

8. 'The Model' Rick Martel

I feel Martel was much better suited with a partner than wrestling on his own. There was three feuds Martel got involved with and only one really captured the capacity crowd's attention. When Strike Force broke up, Martel was left feuding with Santana for what felt like forever without ever actually developing it (would you believe that four years later they continue the thing briefly at Royal Rumble 1993?), Long feuds are not a bad thing but long pointless feuds are . . . Well . . . Pointless. Martel was well used in his feud with Jake Roberts but from there he jobs continuously to 'unbeaten' Tatanka. Martel's last match in a WWF P-P-V was lasting a couple of minutes at Royal Rumble 1995 - the WWE's way of saying thanks to a wrestler that has stayed with the company for 8 or 9 years.  ::)

7. Test

They put Test through the motions and even winning an invincible battle royal at Survivor Series didn't help his cause. Test like a lot of wrestlers is a very generic based wrestler and if given the proper character to portray himself (along with the likes of Prince Albert/A-Train) could have been given enough empathy with the crowd to make his feuds more interesting. As it stood, the latest thing I saw with him involved was the Stacey Keibler jealousy angle that looked quite pathetic. I think perhaps the most stupidest, and yet the most interesting thing they could do with him is have him tag with Bradshaw - they both have the same build and would complement each other quite well merely as toughmen.

6. Red Rooster

In an interview recently, Terry Taylor described this gimmick has 'ahead of it's time'. I would dissagree, The Rooster was a heel initially as part of The Heenan Family (for some obscure reason), he rebelled against Bobby and then beat him in a singles match at Wrestlemania 5. The gimmick was not developed and the wrestler became a jobber up until his poor performance at Royal Rumble 1990. He did nothing notable at all but could have been so much more with a more feasible gimmick. The red set in his mullet didn't make matters better either.

5. Sgt Slaughter

In a very similar way to 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan but in reverse. Slaughter was merely a one feud wrestler and that was against Hulk Hogan around a time of political unrest.  However, Slaughter could have been used in all manner of ways depicting various prejudices and intolerances. After a useless Summerslam 1991 rematch,the WWF decided to turn him face rather quickly - and he has done nothing notable since.

4. 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan

Why do I say 'wasted'? Because Duggan has a very general gimmick. They could have used him for lots of positive messages beyond the USA patriotism thing around 1990/1991. The WWE chose not to and as a result, we saw countless matches with 'Hacksaw' bouncing a plank off people's heads as a way to win matches - here is a fact for you, in P-P-V, the only one person that has pinned 'Hacksaw' is Ted Dibiase at Wrestlemania 4 in the WWF World title tournament. I will check up on that one later, lol.

3. Koko B Ware

Koko's lack of body weight didn't help him much but the WWE could have made him more than a glorified jobber! He jobbed in his career to almost every wrestler on P-P-V (Butch Reed, Bigbossman, Akeem, Rick Martel all spring to mind . . .). He had an animal gimmick (a parrot called Frankie) that didn't work properly and finally became a tag partner with Owen Hart as 'Hi Energy'. Of course, they at least jobbed to The Headshrinkers. A shame really, one or two good wins would have made him quite a character to root for.

2. Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine

I love this wrestler but he was so badly used. He won the Intercontinental title and The Tag titles (with Brutus Beefcake) and from around Wrestlemania 3 onwards was used and then ill-used in the strangest of ways. For example, Greg and Beefcake split up by Wrestlemania 4, Greg managed to do in what Savage couldn't do in about double the time the Wrestlemania previous - pin Ricky Steamboat. Of course, he lost to Machoman during the tournament. Greg has a feud with hopeless Ronny Garvin that culminates in a nice (if overlong) submission match at Royal Rumble 1990. Then, inexplicably, the WWE pair him up with Honky Tonk Man to form Rhythm and Blues (why Greg why?), complete with died black hair! Watch Wrestlemania 6 when they perform 'Hunka Hunka Honky Love'. Greg has no idea what he is doing at all. Greg splits from Honky about 6 months later and then lasts about 50 minutes at Royal Rumble 1991 (a big thing back then, perhaps encompassed by a better time by Rick Martel on the same night!). For some really stupid reason they don't capitalise on his 'strongman' persona and make him job to Earthquake at Wrestlemania 7! Greg never recovered from this and entered Royal Rumble's 1992 and 1994 with mediocre results.

1. Tito Santana

He gained the Intercontinental title and Tag title (with Rick Martel as Strike Force) away from P-P-V and in the course of this man's Wrestlemania illustrious history, he managed to job 7 of his 8 matches! He won his first match at the first Wrestlemania against The Executioner (In order of losses: The Funk Brothers (tag partner with Junkyard Dog), Hart Foundation and Danny Davis (tag partners: British Bulldogs), Demolition (tag partner: Rick Martel), Brainbusters (tag partner: Rick Martel again), Barbarian, Mountie (perhaps the worst job of all - the match lasted about a minute before The Mountie zapped him with his cattleprod) and then Shawn Michaels. The WWF never seemed to know what to do with the Mexican star and made him wage a long (yawnful) feud with Rick Martel that went absolutely nowhere. Perhaps Santana's surprise success was beating Sgt Slaughter's team at Survivor Series 1990 to enter the 'Grand Finale' at the end with Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior (Hogan, Warrior and then Santana?). They made Santana wear bright green and pink costume later on and call him 'El Matador'. No success followed with this gimmick either . . .

Another long read and remember, it is only my opinion.  :)

It's a shame because I don't think wrestling 'sucks'. It has the potential to be exactly like it was from the 70s - very early 90s. The WWE don't want to go back though and I find that, as a result, wrestling will continue to suck


I agree with you 100% Bob. http://www.prowrestling.com/discuss/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif


Ah! That's cool, Howard. You mentioned stupid storylines. The storylines can be as stupid as they want as long as they are fitted comfortably with the wrestlers. Could you imagine the departed Brock Lesnar involved in a romantic plot-line for example? Or The Undertaker involved in a mission to look for his long lost mother? Stupid but not incredible that's what I say. The WWE should want you to believe the storylines they dish up. I think a lot of wrestlers should develop a sense of humour as well - miserable looking sods most of them.  ;D

Wrestling 1990-2000

1990 to 2000 was a decade professional wrestling fans will never forget. From the rise and fall of WCW to WWF's new "attitude" approach, this was certainly an exciting time.



1990--WWF

We start off in 1990. Contrary to what most think, this was not a great time for the WWF. We begun the year with WWF Royal Rumble and Tony Schavoni announcing?!?!?!?! This was after the peak Hulk Hogan era of the latter part of the 80's. Although Hogan begun the year as champ, many credit 1990 as the year of the Ultimate Warrior. WWF started a feud between the two at the Royal Rumble, as Hogan "accidentally" eliminate the Warrior from the battle royal. This lead to Wrestlemania VI at the Skydome in Toronto Canada, and yes a Warrior victory. What perhaps is most shocking about this is that this was one of 2 or 3 (at the most) matches Hogan jobbed cleanly for. After his loss, Hogan was shuffled into a feud with Earthquake (John Tenta) and Warrior continued a prior feud with Rick Rude. Much remained the same for the rest of 1990 in the WWF. People were becoming tired of the red and yellow, and this was a refreshing break. (Hogan had been champ from 84-88 and from 89-90) The undercard of 1990 was pretty dismal. Highlights of the year included: Dusty Rhodes in Polka Dot Tights teaming with a 300 pound Saphire to take on "Macho King" Randy Savage and Sherri Martel in the WWF's first ever mixed tag team match; first ever title for title match (hogan/warrior); The Undertaker debuts at the Survivor Series 1990; Rick Rude wrestles his last match for the WWF, losing to Warrior at Summerslam in a steel cage match.

1990-WCW

1990 in WCW was the year of the Stinger. Sting (Steve Borden) captured his first WCW championship at the Great American Bash in July of that year. Perhaps the greatest angle was after Flair had lost, and had not been granted a rematch, he disquised himself as a "Black Scorpion" and targeted Sting which led to the blow-off feud at Starrcade in December of that year. Other than that, WCW was in a state of consistancy. Highlights of the year included: The Black Scorpion; The Four Horsemen