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This topic reminds me how much I liked the movie "Singles" by director Cameron Crowe.  A great movie for both guys and gals.  Very funny too.  It really typlifies the early 90's.


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I love that movie too!  ;D I was thinking of that when I read this thread.

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I moved to Seattle from a town about 40 miles away in '89, Starbucks was very well known in the area before the grunge scene hit,  they just expanded in the 90s and continues to expand today.  I don't think there is any great correlation between the two, just that we were the 1st to be suckered into paying high high prices for a traditionally cheaper product.  But dang, it's good coffee. ;)
As for the grunge movement itself that did come from Seattle, perhaps the rain and grey sky's contributed to it, listen to Soundgardens' Black Hole Sun and tell me that wasn't written on a rainy freakin' day.  "Black hole sun, won't you come, and wash away the rain"  During those wet months the sun isn't much more than a black hole.
Grunge was really the 90's answer to punk, just better muscians. If you recall the latter part of the 80's music went very corporate and bands were more about style than content.  Big hair, tight leather clothes, music was girls, cars, and money, etc.
Seattle is a very liberal town with a strong music and art scene, many people were coming this way back then cause we were a bit smaller, cheaper and socially more liberal than the big cities.  These musicians went the anti-establishement route, not everything is sex, drugs, and money.  As a grunge fan I've never felt that it was "depressing" music, just honest.  The lyrics and music was more about anger, fear, injustice, etc.  This was music to represent what most of us had chosen not to see and too many have lived.  
I could ramble on forever but will call this good for now.
In short- Starbucks, we were the first suckers and continue to not have learned any lesson.
Grunge-Anti-Establishment, music by people, not idols.
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I aways got the impression that the grunge movement seemed to be "against the 80's" in many ways.  It was more against the corporate establishment as you say, and against the glitzy manufactured qualities of 80's music.  Most 80's bands had this feeling of being recorded in a studio somewhere, while grunge felt more raw and more sincere.  You got the impression there was somone actually playing instruments, rather then having a synth/keyboard do all your work.  And to top it off, what better way to be against the 80's then ressurrect the previously hated 70's and make it cool again?

These days things seem to be a return to the 80's mentality with the success of studio groomed stars like Britney Spears and N'sync, granted I know they are fading or have faded from what they were a couple of years ago, but you know what I'm talking about.  

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I aways got the impression that the grunge movement seemed to be "against the 80's" in many ways.  It was more against the corporate establishment as you say, and against the glitzy manufactured qualities of 80's music.  Most 80's bands had this feeling of being recorded in a studio somewhere, while grunge felt more raw and more sincere.  You got the impression there was somone actually playing instruments, rather then having a synth/keyboard do all your work.  And to top it off, what better way to be against the 80's then ressurrect the previously hated 70's and make it cool again?

These days things seem to be a return to the 80's mentality with the success of studio groomed stars like Britney Spears and N'sync, granted I know they are fading or have faded from what they were a couple of years ago, but you know what I'm talking about.  
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You got it Fernando. :)

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This topic reminds me how much I liked the movie "Singles" by director Cameron Crowe.  A great movie for both guys and gals.  Very funny too.  It really typlifies the early 90's.
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Oh I saw that film recently on cable.  It has really dated with it's grunge music and grungey style.  Not to mention that it's angst ridden, Gen Xer cynical about everything in the world, hip dissenter attitude seems to have really dated as well.  The movie just screams 1992.

It's also loaded with unnecessary cameos from 90's stars of that time, like Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam and the just about everyone from Alice in Chains.  I'm guessing Kurt Cobain wasn't in this movie because Nirvana was out on tour when the movie was shot.  The goofy cameos were just too much for me.  

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I don't live in Seattle, but every time I visit(which isn't often), the weather seemed fine.  
Also, I heard on VH-1 that Kurt Cobain was actually raised in Aberdeen, WA, then moved to Seattle since it's the biggest city here.
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Hey Chris, I grew up in Gig Harbor, not far from you in Port Orchard.  Both are beautiful towns, good place to grow up.  Your right, Kurt grew up in Aberdeen and you can't say the same about that place :-/.  It's a truly depressed area and I'm sure at least some of Kurts angst came from there.  
And the weather?  No big deal, a bit of rain but no one dies from heat or cold here, no tornados or hurricanes, rarely do we have floods, sometimes some ground softens and house that was built where it shouldn't have been comes down.  Oh well.
So yeah, we drink to much coffee, have pasty skin and listen to angry white musicians- good times.

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Oh I saw that film recently on cable.  It has really dated with it's grunge music and grungey style.  Not to mention that it's angst ridden, Gen Xer cynical about everything in the world, hip dissenter attitude seems to have really dated as well.  The movie just screams 1992.

It's also loaded with unnecessary cameos from 90's stars of that time, like Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam and the just about everyone from Alice in Chains.  I'm guessing Kurt Cobain wasn't in this movie because Nirvana was out on tour when the movie was shot.  The goofy cameos were just too much for me.  
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It's not the best movie ever, but I thought it was good.  It's a romantic comedy.  It's not like this film was trying to reach the epic proportions of Citizen Kane grandeur.  

I thought the cameos were funny.   Since you didn't see this film when it was first released in the early 90's, you'll have a different viewpoint than someone like me who saw it at the theater.  It has dated, but I don't think as badly as you claim it has.  I have a special place in my heart for this movie because of the fact it was one of the first movies I saw together with my high school sweetheart.  It's a film about love and being in love, two of the best things life has to offer someone...