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Subject: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: batfan2005 on 02/25/20 at 7:32 pm
So do you consider 1989 the 80's or early 90's? It's kind of on the fence.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: violet_shy on 02/25/20 at 7:49 pm
It's more 80s if you focus on the fashion and music. It all lasted until 1990. I wore things in 1989 that I never would have sported in 1992 because it was already out of style. Maybe in early 1990. But not in 1992.
Music still sounded 80s beat in 1989. What's strange is it wasn't like 1986 80s. It had a late 80s sound to it. But it wasn't yet 90s.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: oldmusicfan on 02/25/20 at 8:30 pm
Toned down 1986 music, but still closer to 1986 than 1992. Songs like “Baby Baby Baby” by TLC, “Jump Around” by House of Pain, and “If You Asked Me To” by Celine Dion would have been out of place in the year that brought us “Hanging Tough” by New Kids on the Block, “Girl You Know It’s True” by Milli Vanilli, and “Soul Provider” by Michael Bolton.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: Howard on 02/26/20 at 4:42 am
Toned down 1986 music, but still closer to 1986 than 1992. Songs like “Baby Baby Baby” by TLC, “Jump Around” by House of Pain, and “If You Asked Me To” by Celine Dion would have been out of place in the year that brought us “Hanging Tough” by New Kids on the Block, “Girl You Know It’s True” by Milli Vanilli, and “Soul Provider” by Michael Bolton.
You also have Tone Loc and Young MC.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: oldmusicfan on 02/26/20 at 1:47 pm
You also have Tone Loc and Young MC.
1989 Tone Loc and Young MC would not have lasted a day in 1992 which had groups like Cypress Hill, Naughty by Nature, and Das EFX.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: Howard on 02/27/20 at 7:11 am
1989 Tone Loc and Young MC would not have lasted a day in 1992 which had groups like Cypress Hill, Naughty by Nature, and Das EFX.
old school fun rap was starting to go away, hardcore rap was beginning.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: robby76 on 02/27/20 at 9:27 am
In the UK, 1989 had a deluge of dance music - Technotronic, Soul II Soul. There was definitely a completely new feel than even 1988.
But for the US, I suppose it was more of the same.
In this particular instance I'm going to say it's more like 1992. The videos from 89 would look almost the same as 1992, but totally different from 1986 music videos. Take for instance Madonna's "Like A Prayer" in 89. That sounded more like her 90s work, than her very pop'py 80s efforts.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: oldmusicfan on 02/27/20 at 4:28 pm
In the UK, 1989 had a deluge of dance music - Technotronic, Soul II Soul. There was definitely a completely new feel than even 1988.
But for the US, I suppose it was more of the same.
In this particular instance I'm going to say it's more like 1992. The videos from 89 would look almost the same as 1992, but totally different from 1986 music videos. Take for instance Madonna's "Like A Prayer" in 89. That sounded more like her 90s work, than her very pop'py 80s efforts.
Madonna’s work is a great example for this thread. The album Like A Prayer sides more with Erotica from 1992 than True Blue from 1986.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: robby76 on 02/27/20 at 9:32 pm
Madonna’s work is a great example for this thread. The album Like A Prayer sides more with Erotica from 1992 than True Blue from 1986.
I'd also say Janet's "Rhythm Nation" was more 1992 than 1986.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: oldmusicfan on 02/27/20 at 10:27 pm
I'd also say Janet's "Rhythm Nation" was more 1992 than 1986.
Every single off of Rhythm Nation was different from The Best Things In Life are Free from Janet Jackson and Luther Vandross . “Miss You Much” wanted to be “Control”, but missed the mark (no pun intended) by a lot.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: yelimsexa on 02/28/20 at 9:32 am
Overall, I said 1986, but by a nose. The big reason IMO is the rock/metal scene: hair metal was still big that year, like you had with Slippery When Wet, but 1992 was the year that it had truly given away to grunge/alternative. There were noticeably more uses of gated drums as well, as well as synths like the DX7.
Madonna's Like A Prayer and Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 are nice "halfway" examples as well. "Express Yourself" and "Black Cat" clearly lean back toward '86, but the title tracks of each truly lean forward.
Then you have the case of the original version of "If You Asked Me To" by Patti LaBelle from '89. It sounds very typical of the late '80s AC/soft rock sound, with more noticeable old school synths used than the Celine Dion version.
Freestyle (Dino, Expose, Seducation, et. all) had its last big year as well, and would have sounded mostly out of place in 1992 when house and eurodance was the popular dance sound. It was still slightly more popular than house in the mainstream that year, especially in North America.
Hip-hop was still in its golden age and still seen as fun.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: robby76 on 02/28/20 at 9:54 am
I was looking through the no1 singles from 1989.
The US definitely had more 80s sounding no1s... Paula Abdul, Phil Collins, Gloria Estefan, Bon Jovi.
But like I said earlier, in the UK, these two no1 singles definitely signalled something new and 90s. They both actually also made the US top 10, but not no1.
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Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: oldmusicfan on 02/28/20 at 3:36 pm
I was looking through the no1 singles from 1989.
The US definitely had more 80s sounding no1s... Paula Abdul, Phil Collins, Gloria Estefan, Bon Jovi.
But like I said earlier, in the UK, these two no1 singles definitely signalled something new and 90s. They both actually also made the US top 10, but not no1.
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The 90s sound evolved shortly after 1990.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: mc98 on 02/29/20 at 3:08 pm
Slightly towards 1986 but that year was really, REALLY 80s compared to 1989.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: oldmusicfan on 02/29/20 at 3:36 pm
The adult contemporary singles of 1989 was closer to 1992, but the pop singles were more towards 1986.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: MarkMc1990 on 02/29/20 at 4:39 pm
Every single off of Rhythm Nation was different from The Best Things In Life are Free from Janet Jackson and Luther Vandross . “Miss You Much” wanted to be “Control”, but missed the mark (no pun intended) by a lot.
Something interesting to consider about “Love Will Never Do (Without You)”
It first appears on the Rhythm Nation album released in 1989. However, it’s not released as a single until late 1990. It climbs the charts and hits number 1 in early 1991 and ranks in the top 20 on Billboard’s year-end Hot 100 for that year. So, do we “assign” the song to 1989, 1990, or 1991?
Obviously it’s common for songs released late in one year to peak in the next, but Janet had some longer album/single cycles compared to artists who were routinely releasing new albums about every two years. This actually allowed Rhythmn Nation 1814 to achieve the distinction of being the only album in history to spawn #1s in three different calendar years (“Miss You Much” in 1989, “Escapade” and “Black Cat” in 1990, and “Love Will Never Do Without You” in 1991.) In a lot of ways I think that album is like the pinnacle of the 80s/90s cultural crux.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: oldmusicfan on 02/29/20 at 6:19 pm
Something interesting to consider about “Love Will Never Do (Without You)”
It first appears on the Rhythm Nation album released in 1989. However, it’s not released as a single until late 1990. It climbs the charts and hits number 1 in early 1991 and ranks in the top 20 on Billboard’s year-end Hot 100 for that year. So, do we “assign” the song to 1989, 1990, or 1991?
Obviously it’s common for songs released late in one year to peak in the next, but Janet had some longer album/single cycles compared to artists who were routinely releasing new albums about every two years. This actually allowed Rhythmn Nation 1814 to achieve the distinction of being the only album in history to spawn #1s in three different calendar years (“Miss You Much” in 1989, “Escapade” and “Black Cat” in 1990, and “Love Will Never Do Without You” in 1991.) In a lot of ways I think that album is like the pinnacle of the 80s/90s cultural crux.
Good point. Rhythm Nation 1814 album did not stack up to Control album either.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: MarkMc1990 on 02/29/20 at 6:58 pm
Good point. Rhythm Nation 1814 album did not stack up to Control album either.
Stack up in what what exactly?
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: robby76 on 02/29/20 at 8:49 pm
Whilst I love both albums, I'd say Rhythm Nation is a better written album than Control. "Control" had too many fillers and singles like "Pleasure Principle" I've never really liked or gotten why it is so popular. Even the video for that seems to get more praise than it deserves.
Subject: Re: Music of 1989: Closer to 1986 or 1992?
Written By: oldmusicfan on 02/29/20 at 9:37 pm
Stack up in what what exactly?
The album Rhythm Nation 1814 does not measure up to the greatness that was Control from 1986. Most singles from the album Control were cutting edge for the time the album was released. Then, Paula Abdul put out the album Forever Your Girl which was closer to Control than Janet’s late 80s album Rhythm Nation 1814. Basically, Rhythm Nation 1814 was Ghostbusters 2 to Control’s Ghostbusters. Too much like Control, but nowhere near as memorable or lovable as every title on Control.