I think it some ways it seems more like the early 90s than like the previous years, especially musically. House music and rap, including the first gangsta rap was very popular in 1989 and that's really when the "New Jack Swing" sound became big (moreso late in the year). I think movies like Heathers and Dead Poet's Society also seem a bit more edgy compared to movies from slightly earlier times.

Also the fall of communism lasted from late 1988-early 1992 or so and to me that whole period seems like a "long year" if you will. Fashion in 1989 also started to have some more early 90s-like traits like the Demi Moore Ghost type hair or the black leggings and crop tops that dancers in music videos wore.

The New Wave releases in 1989 like Seeds of Love, Talk Talk's Spirit of Eden (technically very late 1988) and the Cure's Disintegration sounds more alternative than their earlier releases and incorporate more acoustic influences.

From today's perspective, 1989 seems way more modern than even - say - 1987. But if you ask my parents who were in their late 20s and 30s, respectively, they wouldn't agree. However, especially my father often tends to mix up the early 80s with the late 70s, so at least the early 80s is a different era to him, in comparison to 1989. But you always have to keep in mind that it was totally normal in 1989 to play core 80s songs on the radio or in public, and they were not considered old. I also remember this from the very early 90s and I grew up with at of 80s music that came out before 1989. So no, I don't think that there really was a different vibe in 1989 or even 1990, especially if you  did not live in a big city. Chart music is not everything.

For sure 1989 felt pretty distinct.  For one, it was the first year since 1980 in which Ronald Reagan was not president of the United States, not to mention the Cold War was no longer going on.  Bush the Elder wasn't quite the same White House presence that Reagan was.

In film, 1989 sticks out because it was the year The Little Mermaid came out, putting an end to the Disney Dark Age and immediately kicking off the Disney Renaissance that was cornerstone to 90s culture.  Additionally, the summer of 1989 saw the release of Tim Burton's Batman, a highly influential movie to 90s action/adventure flicks.

In the gaming world, the Game Boy arrived in 1989, becoming an immediate success thanks to Super Mario Land and Tetris and making portable far more viable than the crummy Nintendo Game & Watch and Tiger Electronics Handheld games.  The Sega Genesis also came out in 1989, and even though it wouldn't peak until Sonic the Hedgehog came out two years later, it immediately attracted lots of hype for its 16-bit graphics, paving the way for the video game console wars of the 90s after a period of complete domination by Nintendo.

The music of 1989 is, for the most part, much more connected to 1990 and 1991 than the rest of the 80s.  Though hip hop had achieved mainstream success since Run-DMC and Aerosmith's Walk This Way in 1986, while new jack swing had caught on since Keith Sweat's I Want Her in 1987, it wasn't until 1989 that both genres were true industry standards, quickly overshadowing the synthpop and hi-nrg that represented the core 80s.  While hair metal was still in its peak, alternative rock was just starting to receive more frequent airplay, courtesy of bands like Jane's Addiction, Faith No More, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.  The end of the year also produced Technotronic's Pump Up the Jam, while Europe also got Ride on Time by Black Box, thus starting the house fad that dominated the early 90s and which would eventually evolve into eurodance.  Typical 80s genres were starting to become stale by 1988, and new ones were quickly phasing in throughout 1989.

The horror/slasher genre really was on its last leg in 1989. By 1990, it was at a low, just because people were sick of it.

In the gaming world, the Game Boy arrived in 1989, becoming an immediate success thanks to Super Mario Land and Tetris and making portable far more viable than the crummy Nintendo Game & Watch and Tiger Electronics Handheld games.

And during the 1990's Gameboy was hugely popular. In fact I still have my original Gameboy.

And during 1989 Old School rap was on it's last legs with guys like Tone Loc and Young M.C. during that year.

Personally, I see the late 80s in general as a lot more modern than the early 80s or even the mid 80s, at least as far as pop culture goes.  While still a long ways off from their modern forms, and often very primitive in comparison, things like the beginning of a new era of gaming (the NES and Game Boy, both far more connected to modern day than the Atari 2600 or Colecovision are), the spread of computers throughout businesses and workplaces, the arrival of hip-hop on the mainstream music scene and the slow bubbling up of alternative from the underground (to boil over in the 90s), the mainstreaming of VCRs, etc. give it a very different feel.

The end result is I feel that 1989, or even 1988, is a lot more connected to the modern day than 1985 is.

While still a long ways off from their modern forms, and often very primitive in comparison, things like the beginning of a new era of gaming (the NES and Game Boy, both far more connected to modern day than the Atari 2600 or Colecovision are),

definitely the early 1990's brought new exciting consoles and games such as The Nintendo Entertainment System and The Gameboy.

No because it was still the 80s.  People had no idea what was to come. 

No because it was still the 80s.  People had no idea what was to come.


I agree, the pop culture icons introduced from 1984 to 1986 were still popular or somewhat relevant in 1989.

I agree, the pop culture icons introduced from 1984 to 1986 were still popular or somewhat relevant in 1989.


Agreed. I wonder why a lot of people only consider the latest events/music/pop culture when talking about a year. For instance, even most things from 2012 are somewhat relevant today.

I agree, the pop culture icons introduced from 1984 to 1986 were still popular or somewhat relevant in 1989.


True. Well depending on who. I don't think Cyndi Lauper was considered that cool in 1989, but Madonna definitely was.

True. Well depending on who. I don't think Cyndi Lauper was considered that cool in 1989, but Madonna definitely was.


Madonna in 1989 had that controversial hit "Like A Prayer".
Cyndi Lauper in 1989 had her hit "I Drove All Night".

Agreed. I wonder why a lot of people only consider the latest events/music/pop culture when talking about a year. For instance, even most things from 2012 are somewhat relevant today.


Those people do not remember much about the year they're discussing, so they use the events, TV show debuts, movies and music to describe what happened in that year. Unfortunately for onlookers, those same Historians tend to confuse copyright dates on merchandise for the date when the pop cultural icon on that merchandise was popular. I had a friend once tell me that Bart Simpson shirts were banned from elementary schools in 1989 (because some of the shirts have '89 as a copyright date on them), but the shirts did not make it stores until the spring of 1990. Those Bart Simpson shirts had to be made in the summer or fall of 1989. I hate when stuff like that happens.

Well depending on who.


I agree. ALF lost his popularity in the late '80s once he started dressing like a party animal. ALF was an alien, for crying out loud!  By the end of '89, I did not know of a soul who watched ALF anymore.

I agree. ALF lost his popularity in the late '80s once he started dressing like a party animal. ALF was an alien, for crying out loud!  By the end of '89, I did not know of a soul who watched ALF anymore.


It was definitely in decline, but even its last seasons got OK ratings, apparently.

I agree. ALF lost his popularity in the late '80s once he started dressing like a party animal. ALF was an alien, for crying out loud!  By the end of '89, I did not know of a soul who watched ALF anymore.


I watched ALF from 1986 to about 1988.

I watched ALF from 1986 to about 1988.


'88, what a year! ALF shirts were in high demand during the spring of '88, but the show fell from the tenth spot on the Nielsen ratings to the thirteenth in the fall of '88. Personally, I always thought it had something to do with his voice change. The show got less and less funnier as the late '80s went on. Like with most shows, the first season of ALF was the best one out of them all.

It was definitely in decline, but even its last seasons got OK ratings, apparently.


ALF was still the only game in town for children then.

'88, what a year! ALF shirts were in high demand during the spring of '88, but the show fell from the tenth spot on the Nielsen ratings to the thirteenth in the fall of '88. Personally, I always thought it had something to do with his voice change. The show got less and less funnier as the late '80s went on. Like with most shows, the first season of ALF was the best one out of them all.


Yeah ALF was everywhere cause he was such a hot commodity in 1987.

1989 definitely felt differently in Germany with the Berlin wall being torn down and reunification on the horizon. The iron curtain was a thing of the past and a new era had arrived in which the people of East and West Germany could finally move freely through the whole country again: :)
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/6133346264653465.jpg
The paper reads: The wall is gone. Berlin is Berlin again.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/1280_6164623336323465.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/3735363762306236.jpg
Opening of the border crossing point in Helmstedt:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/1280_3431323735616535.jpg
Yes, those cars had two stroke engines. 8-P  ;D

However this wasn't until November 89. I don't know about the earlier part of the year as I was only 7-8 years old at the time.

Despite this thread, you could make a similar case for 1980. In America, it was the only year without a Republican President, disco had its last gasp, many iconic '80s shows such as Hill Street Blues, Cheers, Family Ties hadn't been on yet and many '70s shows such as CHiPS, Three's Company, Mork And Mindy, Charlie's Angels, and to a degree Happy Days were still popular and people still had those '70s-style fashions. AIDS had not yet been discovered and drugs were still used recreationally. It also still had that disillusioned, aphethetic, post-Vietnam, "Whip Inflation Now" stigma about how the best days in America are behind them. It was a lot more primitive technologically, with PCs still for rich people, most people not yet having or even knowing someone with cable/VCR, many people still having rotary phones, and 8-track tapes still popular. 1989 is far more in tune with the "spirit of the '80s" than 1980 is since the real backlash against the "80s ideal" was still a year or two away and the country wasn't as concerned much about change like it was in 1980.

The horror/slasher genre really was on its last leg in 1989. By 1990, it was at a low, just because people were sick of it.


Even though the slasher genre was mediocre in the early 90s (with a few exceptions of Candyman, the Puppet Master sequels and the Child's Play sequels). Horror movies weren't that good until the early 2000s, especially with Freddy vs. Jason.

True. Well depending on who. I don't think Cyndi Lauper was considered that cool in 1989, but Madonna definitely was.
I think Cyndi's really popular years were 1983-1986 even if she did have a hit in 1989.

I watched ALF from 1986 to about 1988.
I think I watched ALF in 1st grade in 1986-1987 but not so much after that. I definitely didn't watch him in 3rd grade(1988-1989.)

I think I watched ALF in 1st grade in 1986-1987 but not so much after that. I definitely didn't watch him in 3rd grade(1988-1989.)

I was in 1st grade in 1986-1987 too! And I remember how popular ALF was then. Didn't watch him a whole lot then, however.

Even though the slasher genre was mediocre in the early 90s (with a few exceptions of Candyman, the Puppet Master sequels and the Child's Play sequels). Horror movies weren't that good until the early 2000s, especially with Freddy vs. Jason.


One thing that's actually good about the new millenium, horror films have gotten more sophisticated.  :)

One thing that's actually good about the new millenium, horror films have gotten more sophisticated.  :)


I agree. There was better horror movies in the 2000s like Freddy vs. Jason, The Grudge and Jeepers Creepers to name a few examples.

I agree. There was better horror movies in the 2000s like Freddy vs. Jason, The Grudge and Jeepers Creepers to name a few examples.


I thought you said better horror movies?

I thought you said better horror movies?


Yeah, I said that there was better horror movies in the 2000s.

Yeah, I said that there was better horror movies in the 2000s.
For instance, "The Others" with Nicole Kidman?

For instance, "The Others" with Nicole Kidman?


I never heard of that movie before.

I never heard of that movie before.
The is a classic, with a wonderful twist at the end.

1989 definitely felt differently in Germany with the Berlin wall being torn down and reunification on the horizon. The iron curtain was a thing of the past and a new era had arrived in which the people of East and West Germany could finally move freely through the whole country again: :)
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/6133346264653465.jpg
The paper reads: The wall is gone. Berlin is Berlin again.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/1280_6164623336323465.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/3735363762306236.jpg
Opening of the border crossing point in Helmstedt:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/1280_3431323735616535.jpg
Yes, those cars had two stroke engines. 8-P  ;D

However this wasn't until November 89. I don't know about the earlier part of the year as I was only 7-8 years old at the time.


Those pictures look really old! Like closer to the 50s and 60s than to today, at least on a superficial basis. I sort of remember even in the US that the early 90s were kind of like that.

Yeah late 1989 through 1990 was the transitional point in Germany for sure. It's hard to argue against that being the true beginning of the 21st century there, though the Schengen Area being created in 1995 was arguably of equal importance since Germany became part of the "Greater Europe" then.

I think Cyndi's really popular years were 1983-1986 even if she did have a hit in 1989.

Yeah, that's about right.

Those pictures look really old! Like closer to the 50s and 60s than to today, at least on a superficial basis. I sort of remember even in the US that the early 90s were kind of like that.

The cars used in the "German Democratic Republic" where actually all based on designs from the 60ies. They hardly changed throughout the decades.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant_601
So it's normal that they looked very dated in 89. The fashion over there was also more influenced by Eastern Europe and quite different from West Germany.

Shengen wasn't such a big deal for us as West Germans could always travel through Western Europe without a problem. I'm not sure anymore whether visa were required but I believe that an ID card or passport was sufficient get into most countries.

The horror/slasher genre really was on its last leg in 1989. By 1990, it was at a low, just because people were sick of it.


I noticed this too. The big three (Halloween, Friday the 13th, A Nightmare on Elm Street) each released an installment in 1989, and then went on hiatus until the mid '90s.

I noticed this too. The big three (Halloween, Friday the 13th, A Nightmare on Elm Street) each released an installment in 1989, and then went on hiatus until the mid '90s.


Well actually, Nightmare on Elm Street got Freddy's Dead in 1991, while Friday The 13th got Jason's Dead: The Final Friday in 1993. I think Halloween was the only one you mentioned that went in hiatus until the mid 90s.

Shengen wasn't such a big deal for us as West Germans could always travel through Western Europe without a problem. I'm not sure anymore whether visa were required but I believe that an ID card or passport was sufficient get into most countries.


I mean prior to that you had to go through border customs. After 1995 it was just like going from New York to New Jersey or California to Oregon.

I noticed this too. The big three (Halloween, Friday the 13th, A Nightmare on Elm Street) each released an installment in 1989, and then went on hiatus until the mid '90s.


Yeah, the horrors that came out in the early 90s were a tad more sophisticated too, like Silence of the Lambs, which actually started filming in late 1989. I'd say even by the late 80s it was sort of getting a bit "worn out".

1988 was still in the peak of the horror comedy era of the mid-80s with Beetlejuice, Child's Play, and Killer Klowns from Outer Space.  1989 was really the first year that the style truly wore out.

Well actually, Nightmare on Elm Street got Freddy's Dead in 1991, while Friday The 13th got Jason's Dead: The Final Friday in 1993. I think Halloween was the only one you mentioned that went in hiatus until the mid 90s.


Ah, I forgot about Freddy's Dead and was thinking New Nightmare was the next one released in '94. Final Friday did come out in August 1993 but I consider that mid '90s since it falls in the second third of the decade.

Initially I didn't think 1990 was a big "franchise" year for horror but it did produce The Exorcist III, Child's Play 2, and even Leatherface: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3.

1991 had Child's Play 3 and Freddy's Dead.

1992 had Hellraiser III and the first Candyman

No.  1989 was probably the quintessential year of the decade.

No.  1989 was probably the quintessential year of the decade.


No, 1989 wasn't really the quintessential year of the 80s. For one thing, the Sega Genesis (even though it was released in 1988 in Japan as the Mega Drive) and Game Boy were released in 1989, and both of them became cultural phenomenons during the 90s. Hell, even horror movie franchises like Halloween, Friday The 13th and Nightmare On Elm Street went downhill that year with their lame sequels. Although, some franchises like Child's Play and Puppet Master were kinda popular in 1989 and they soon went to get more sequels during the 90s. 1989 was the year when 90s culture started to fade in.

To me, 1984 and 1985 were the quintessential years of the 80s. With movies like The Gremlins, Back To The Future, The Breakfast Club, The Terminator and Ghostbusters, they were pretty definitive to the 80s. Even with video game consoles like the NES, they were kinda quintessential to the 80s. They were amazing compared to 1989.

I can see why someone would call 1989 the quintessential year of the late 80s, but the decade as a whole?  In addition to what Baltimoreian said about 80s horror franchises declining and new video game platforms being released, 1989 was also when Ronald Reagan was no longer President of the United States, The Little Mermaid hit theaters, and new-jack swing started to displace the popularity of hi-nrg.  Even if a fair amount of core 80s culture was still thriving in 1989, the overall feel of the year is too distant to really count.

In my opinion, 1987 was the quintessential year of the 80s.  You had enough hints of the late 80s by that point (the NES was finally popular, Keith Sweat's I Want Her gave birth to new-jack swing, old-school hip hop had broke into the mainstream, Full House was on television), but the general atmosphere was still full-on 80s, with teen comedies still in their peak (i.e., Dirty Dancing), action flicks still popular (Lethal Weapon, Predator, etc.), Michael Jackson still in his prime (Bad), hair metal reaching its peak (Bon Jovi, Whitesnake, Poison, etc.), and even certain early 80s things like Kool & the Gang, Journey, and Atari still existing in some form.

I noticed this too. The big three (Halloween, Friday the 13th, A Nightmare on Elm Street) each released an installment in 1989, and then went on hiatus until the mid '90s.


I didn't even notice this hiatus until you pointed it out.

For instance, "The Others" with Nicole Kidman?


I loved and still love that movie!

What was so different about it? It was still the 80's.  ???

What was so different about it? It was still the 80's.  ???


It was the year when 90s culture started to rise.

It was the year when 90s culture started to rise.


Yes, people were starting to grow fond of the pop cultural icons introduced in 1987 at that time, but pop cultural institutions for the '90s were still being born in 1989. So, '89 was the last year of the late '80s.

Yes, people were starting to grow fond of the pop cultural icons introduced in 1987 at that time, but pop cultural institutions for the '90s were still being born in 1989. So, '89 was the last year of the late '80s.


Chronologically, yes. It's the last year of the 80s. But, stuff from 1989 like the Genesis and Game Boy turned out to be phenomenons of the 90s.

But, stuff from 1989 like the Genesis and Game Boy turned out to be phenomenons of the 90s.


Exactly.

Stuff like Beverly Hills, 90210 and F.R.I.E.N.D.S (both introduced in the '90s)  would seep well into the 2000s (1999-2011).

No because it was still the 80s.  People had no idea what was to come.


You're right, we still thought of 1989 as the eighties at the time. At that time, people were "headed for the '90s" and "living in the '80s" still.

1990 was the first year of the early '90s.

This video is from 1990:

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Exactly.

Stuff like Beverly Hills, 90210 and F.R.I.E.N.D.S (both introduced in the '90s)  would seep well into the 2000s (1999-2008).


Wasn't Beverly Hills 90210 only popular for the first 4 or 5 seasons?

Exactly.

Stuff like Beverly Hills, 90210 and F.R.I.E.N.D.S (both introduced in the '90s)  would seep well into the 2000s (1999-2008).


I find Friends to be a half 90s/half 2000s sitcom, since they shared at least five years from both decades and they were popular on each season.

I find Friends to be a half 90s/half 2000s sitcom, since they shared at least five years from both decades and they were popular on each season.


It was popular all 10 seasons! 1994-2004!  :)

It was popular all 10 seasons! 1994-2004!  :)


That's exactly my point.

Wasn't Beverly Hills 90210 only popular for the first 4 or 5 seasons?


Yes and it was on for 10 years (1990-2000).

Yes and it was on for 10 years (1990-2000).

Do you think the show should have ended after they graduated high school? I think it should've!!

Do you think the show should have ended after they graduated high school? I think it should've!!


Why should the show end when they graduate high school? It's not like everybody wants it to end after the high school seasons.

Do you think the show should have ended after they graduated high school? I think it should've!!


Yes, definately!

In 1989 music sounded differently, it went from Tone Loc and Young MC to a few years later with NWA, Kriss Kross, Ice Cube and Will Smith just to name a few who started the 90's sound.

In 1989 music sounded differently, it went from Tone Loc and Young MC to a few years later with NWA, Kriss Kross, Ice Cube and Will Smith just to name a few who started the 90's sound.


I consider NWA and Ice Cube to be more early 90s, since they started out in the mid 80s. In fact, wasn't gangsta rap more popular in the late 80s/early 90s?

I consider NWA and Ice Cube to be more early 90s, since they started out in the mid 80s. In fact, wasn't gangsta rap more popular in the late 80s/early 90s?


I would say like early to mid 90's.

I would say like early to mid 90's.


Well yeah, but the mid 90s was kinda like the decline of gangsta rap, with the deaths of Eazy-E (1995), Tupac (1996) and Biggie Smalls (1997).

In 1989 music sounded differently, it went from Tone Loc and Young MC to a few years later with NWA, Kriss Kross, Ice Cube and Will Smith just to name a few who started the 90's sound.


NWA first appeared on Yo! MTV Raps in '89, if I recall correctly.

NWAnnabes were everywhere in the summer of 1990.

Well yeah, but the mid 90s was kinda like the decline of gangsta rap, with the deaths of Eazy-E (1995), Tupac (1996) and Biggie Smalls (1997).


I don't miss gangsta rap at all.

I don't miss gangsta rap at all.


Neither do I.

Child dressed like Raphael for Halloween in 1989:

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Young man trick or treating as Raphael in 1990:

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The official flame retardant Halloween costume was not available in stores until the fall of 1990.

In my honest opinion, 1990 was a far better year than 1989 was.

One must also consider that many of the top shows of the 80's had left the air waves by then. Classics dramas like "Hill Street Blues", "Magnum, P.I.", and "Cagney & Lacey" were already gone, some of the better sitcoms had left, like "The Facts Of Life", and "Sledge Hammer!", While 1989 was the final season for two of NBC's biggest hits, "Miami Vice" and "Family Ties".
Even a decades-old TV institution like "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" was running out of steam by the end of the 80's, setting the stage for the late-night wars of the early 90's. Carson himself was getting lazier, by 1987 shooting only three shows a week, but used the rest of the time to groom Jay Leno as his successor, who in turn was promoting himself to NBC to secure the job. Meanwhile, in 1989 the ratings were being chipped away by the rise of Arsenio Hall, who could not topple Carson's alone, but weakened fan support enough to show it could be done. So once Johnny handed Jay his crown, anything after the news could happen!
To make matters worse, FOX was coming out with shows that seemed edgy to the network, but to most of America simply seemed crass and pandering, such as "Married... With Children" and "The Simpsons"(and for one season, NBC did the same with "Baywatch", but then it was shunted to syndication).
NTM afternoon television had become Oprah-fied and Geraldo-ized, touching off the Shock-TV genre that would foul television in the 90s and beyond, unintentionally helped by the rise of actual reality shows like "Unsolved Mysteries" and "Rescue 911", whose intent formats would be shredded and perverted beyond belief in the development of forthcoming garbage like "Survivor", "The Real World", and "Fear Factor".
At least we still had shows like "Cheers", "Perfect Strangers", and "Murphy Brown", to cling to for a few more years!

Your Pal,
Doc
8)

Child dressed like Raphael for Halloween in 1989:

Young man trick or treating as Raphael in 1990:

The official flame retardant Halloween costume was not available in stores until the fall of 1990.

In my honest opinion, 1990 was a far better year than 1989 was.

I sometimes have the feeling you define most years by how popular the Ninja Turtles were. Were they really that much of a era defining thing in the US? Over here they were just another cartoon show. ???

One must also consider that many of the top shows of the 80's had left the air waves by then. Classics dramas like "Hill Street Blues", "Magnum, P.I.", and "Cagney & Lacey" were already gone, some of the better sitcoms had left, like "The Facts Of Life", and "Sledge Hammer!", While 1989 was the final season for two of NBC's biggest hits, "Miami Vice" and "Family Ties".
To make matters worse, FOX was coming out with shows that seemed edgy to the network, but to most of America simply seemed crass and pandering, such as "Married... With Children" and "The Simpsons"(and for one season, NBC did the same with "Baywatch", but then it was shunted to syndication). NTM afternoon television had become Oprah-fied and Geraldo-ized, touching off the Shock-TV genre that would foul television in the 90s and beyond, unintentionally helped by the rise of actual reality shows like "Unsolved Mysteries" and "Rescue 911", whose intent formats would be shredded and perverted beyond belief in the development of forthcoming garbage like "Survivor", "The Real World", and "Fear Factor".
At least we still had shows like "Cheers", "Perfect Strangers", and "Murphy Brown", to cling to for a few more years!

Your Pal,
Doc
8)


TV was going into an edgier stage.

TV was going into an edgier stage.

Hardly edgier, merely crass. An 'Edgy' show pushes the envelope slightly to see what new issues can be talked about. 'Crass' shows simply take the worst possible material and pander it for ratings. That's how some FOX shows began, but then the rest of the networks jumped on that particular bandwagon.

Your Pal,
Doc
8)

Do you think the show should have ended after they graduated high school? I think it should've!!


I don't think so. The show was still quite good during the college years (1993-1997). It was during the adult years (1997-2000) that it fell off the map creatively for me. The first season was slow and it felt long LONG LONG!!!  >:( However, the show went through this creative renaissance in it's final season. I don't know what it was, but the episodes were intriguing and I felt so compelled to watch it. I'm tempted to consider it the best in the series! I won't though, as I'm unsure about it.

It seems a lot of shows have that creative "spike" after declining for a certain period. The last season of Friends was a good watch after losing steam starting in 1999 (the show probably should have ended with it's fifth season).

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is also a good example of this. The high school years were by and far better than the adult years. Season 4 sucked hard, with few good episodes (such as "Who Are You") and a god-awful big bad (Adam, ugh! SMH). Season 5 was interesting, but not straight up entertaining. This was the improvement over season 4, but 5 was really the only good post-high school year for the series. I liked Glory at first, but got bored with her by the middle and found her straight up annoying by the end. I hated Dawn so much!!! She was such a slap in the face to the fans who watched the show from the very beginning! Other than that the rest of the show was quite bad. Seasons 6 and 7 I dislike, although I found a few good episodes to watch with each season. Generally I think the show should have ended with either Season 3 or Season 5.

I sometimes have the feeling you define most years by how popular the Ninja Turtles were. Were they really that much of a era defining thing in the US? Over here they were just another cartoon show. ???


Before Turtlemania '90:

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You HAD to own a pair of white sneakers.

https://johnkennethmuir.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/freddykrueger006.jpg 

Freddy was your favorite horror movie villain.

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The Cosby Show was the most amazing sitcom on TV.

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Singles from artists like Simply Red were still charting in the Billboard Top 20.


After Turtlemania '90:


http://www.counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/counterkicks_timeline_reebok_pump_03.jpg

Black sneakers were on everyone's foot.

http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx735eib4R1r6jfeuo1_500.jpg

Child's Play and Child's Play 2 were your favorite horror comedies.

https://jewfros.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/roseanne-clothes.jpg

Many Americans were tuning in Roseanne every Tuesday night.

https://thatchristmaydwell.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/hammerdonthurt-em.jpg?w=676

Pop rap hits the charts.

OK that explains it. 8)

Hardly edgier, merely crass. An 'Edgy' show pushes the envelope slightly to see what new issues can be talked about. 'Crass' shows simply take the worst possible material and pander it for ratings. That's how some FOX shows began, but then the rest of the networks jumped on that particular bandwagon.

Your Pal,
Doc
8)


shows like The Simpsons, Married With Children, King Of The Hill and Family Guy.

The Kay Bee Toys flyers of late '89 did not look much different from those of the early '90s, but '89 was still a late '80s year.

https://consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/12476350794_018a8c42ba_h.jpg

The Kay Bee Toys flyers of late '89 did not look much different from those of the early '90s, but '89 was still a late '80s year.

https://consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/12476350794_018a8c42ba_h.jpg


I miss Kaybee Toys.

I miss Kaybee Toys.


I used to go to Kaybee Toys almost all the time during the 80's.

I miss Kaybee Toys.

I used to go to Kaybee Toys almost all the time during the 80's.

I remember that store too! Particularly when watching those kiddie game shows Double Dare and Fun House. Kaybee Toys was a sponsor for one of them.


Of course, now the corporation no longer exists. :(

I worked for Kay Bee toys (when it was shortened to KB) during the 2005 Halloween/Christmas season, and while it seemed a bit strange as a college student working (I seemed a little to Peter Pannish at the time when it was still uncool to get into kids toys unlike now where many of my peers are getting kids), it still was around selling toys not too different compared to even my early childhood. You still had the preschool toys, action figure section, board games, video games, cards, some demonstration toys near the front, and dolls.

I made my similar case to 1980 earlier in this thread, and 1989 blends in better with 1986 (CDs, 8-bit systems, good economy, low inflation, John Hughes-style movies, Hair Metal and lingering new wave/synthpop) than say 1980 does with 1983 outside The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi (Carter vs. Reagan, high vs. lowering inflation, post-disco vs. new wave/synthpop, lingering '70s fashions vs. new '80s fashions). The big "shift" occured in 1991, just like 1981, 1982, and 1983 had rapid shifts.

I worked for Kay Bee toys (when it was shortened to KB) during the 2005 Halloween/Christmas season, and while it seemed a bit strange as a college student working (I seemed a little to Peter Pannish at the time when it was still uncool to get into kids toys unlike now where many of my peers are getting kids), it still was around selling toys not too different compared to even my early childhood. You still had the preschool toys, action figure section, board games, video games, cards, some demonstration toys near the front, and dolls.

What was your job title over there? ???

I worked for Kay Bee toys (when it was shortened to KB) during the 2005 Halloween/Christmas season, and while it seemed a bit strange as a college student working (I seemed a little to Peter Pannish at the time when it was still uncool to get into kids toys unlike now where many of my peers are getting kids), it still was around selling toys not too different compared to even my early childhood. You still had the preschool toys, action figure section, board games, video games, cards, some demonstration toys near the front, and dolls.

I made my similar case to 1980 earlier in this thread, and 1989 blends in better with 1986 (CDs, 8-bit systems, good economy, low inflation, John Hughes-style movies, Hair Metal and lingering new wave/synthpop) than say 1980 does with 1983 outside The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi (Carter vs. Reagan, high vs. lowering inflation, post-disco vs. new wave/synthpop, lingering '70s fashions vs. new '80s fashions). The big "shift" occured in 1991, just like 1981, 1982, and 1983 had rapid shifts.


I'd argue that shift occurred in 1990, not '91. Bath and Body Works (the apothecary of the 21st Century) wasn't around in 1989, nor was Law and Order present at that time.

Yeah, it did feel different from the rest of the '80s. I consider it the true beginning of the '90s (in terms of music). Eternal Flame, Buffalo Stance, I'm That Type of Guy, Keep On Movin', Back to Life, Right Here Waiting, Pump Up the Jam, Second Chance, Miss You Like Crazy, I Feel the Earth Move, Alright; these songs and so many other hits sound like they would fit in better with the core '90s than with the core '80s.

1989 was probably the best year of the '80s.

Yeah, it did feel different from the rest of the '80s. I consider it the true beginning of the '90s (in terms of music). Eternal Flame, Buffalo Stance, I'm That Type of Guy, Keep On Movin', Back to Life, Right Here Waiting, Pump Up the Jam, Second Chance, Miss You Like Crazy, I Feel the Earth Move, Alright; these songs and so many other hits sound like they would fit in better with the core '90s than with the core '80s.

1989 was probably the best year of the '80s.


There was more '90s culture in '89 than there was in the other years of the '80s. Then again, '89 was closer to 1990 on the timelines of world history.

I think it some ways it seems more like the early 90s than like the previous years, especially musically. House music and rap, including the first gangsta rap was very popular in 1989 and that's really when the "New Jack Swing" sound became big (moreso late in the year). I think movies like Heathers and Dead Poet's Society also seem a bit more edgy compared to movies from slightly earlier times.

Also the fall of communism lasted from late 1988-early 1992 or so and to me that whole period seems like a "long year" if you will. Fashion in 1989 also started to have some more early 90s-like traits like the Demi Moore Ghost type hair or the black leggings and crop tops that dancers in music videos wore.

The New Wave releases in 1989 like Seeds of Love, Talk Talk's Spirit of Eden (technically very late 1988) and the Cure's Disintegration sounds more alternative than their earlier releases and incorporate more acoustic influences.


Actually new jack swing was already growing in popularity starting around 1987ish. Examples would be Levert's Casanova and Club Nouveau's cover of Lean on Me. In fact, the roots of new jack swing could be traced back to Janet Jackson's album Control, which came out in 1986. So new jack swing was already big at the very beginning of 1989, not the end.

New jack swing's peak was from about 1988-1991. So I don't really understand why people see new jack swing as a "90s thing". Even though there were new jack swing hits in 1992-1995, they were distinctly different from the ones in the late 80s and 1990/1991. The new jack swing of 1992-1995 had a more refined, and updated sound. It was definitely less poppy during that period.

I do agree with you on house music though. It was starting to creep up in 1988, but it wasn't until late 1989 or 1990, where it was becoming more prominent. As for gangsta rap, that's a bit more complex. Technically NWA was successful with Straight Outta Compton, but it seems like the golden age of gangsta rap wasn't until the mid 90s (1994-1996/early 1997).

I think 1989 still felt pretty 80's.

Actually new jack swing was already growing in popularity starting around 1987ish. Examples would be Levert's Casanova and Club Nouveau's cover of Lean on Me. In fact, the roots of new jack swing could be traced back to Janet Jackson's album Control, which came out in 1986. So new jack swing was already big at the very beginning of 1989, not the end.

Bobby Brown's Don't Be Cruel album pretty much inaugurated the golden age of new-jack swing in autumn 1988, although yes, there were some songs from 1986 to early 1988 with elements of the genre.

New jack swing's peak was from about 1988-1991. So I don't really understand why people see new jack swing as a "90s thing". Even though there were new jack swing hits in 1992-1995, they were distinctly different from the ones in the late 80s and 1990/1991. The new jack swing of 1992-1995 had a more refined, and updated sound. It was definitely less poppy during that period.

Exactly, there's a huge distinction between the late 80s, former New Edition member era of new-jack swing and early 90s new-jack swing.  The early 90s brand of new-jack swing, defined by songs like Bobby Brown's Humpin' Around, Eternal's Stay, and R. Kelly and Public Announcement's She's Got That Vibe has a much slicker, juicier sound that the loud, hammering, gated-drum style from the late 80s.  G-funk influenced r&b albums like TLC's CrazySexyCool and Brandy's self-titled debut led to a recession in new-jack swing's prominence in the United States, but around the beginning of the late 90s, the early 90s style made a sort of comeback through its role in the teen pop movement.  Songs like *NSYNC's I Want You Back, the Backstreet Boys' Everybody (Backstreet's Back), Jimmy Ray's Are You Jimmy Ray, and Britney Spears' Stronger have clear ties to early 90s new-jack swing, even though they're categorized separately.  Even a lot of late 90s teen pop that doesn't exactly "swing" can still trace a lot of vague similarities to the early 90s, thanks to their combination of snares that pop instead of crash, in-your-face melodies, and syncopated rhythms.  In my opinion, it's actually this updated style of new-jack swing that holds 90s pop together on an overall level, far more so than gangsta rap, whose influence was more specifically felt during the mid-90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G4O5AMSevc

IMO 1989 was distinctively different than the earlier part of the decade, the culture was shifting by then...


https://thatchristmaydwell.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/hammerdonthurt-em.jpg?w=676

Pop rap hits the charts.


A much edgier M.C. Hammer in 1989 (almost early hip-hop):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xp72g5rOuo

I recall hanging out at my brother's (a new dad) in 1989, watching VH1 video shows - this was on its rotation and I regarded it a "new" sound

I could see why people think this!
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http://www.history.co.uk/sites/default/files/berlin-wall.jpg

http://www.niashf.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Paul-Tagliabue.jpg

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http://gametrog.com/goblin/images/sega-images-main/sega-genesis-images/sega-genesis-1-images/sega-genesis-1-feature.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MhjCPGVuCyE/UW39ubzUFdI/AAAAAAAACZ4/rYybj6W2RLM/s1600/dragonball_z_early_cast.jpg

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-07/30/11/enhanced/webdr04/enhanced-17554-1406734394-1.png

I could see why people think this!
http://a2.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,h_1200,q_80,w_1200/MTE1ODA0OTcxMjgzODc1MzQx.jpg

http://www.history.co.uk/sites/default/files/berlin-wall.jpg

http://www.niashf.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Paul-Tagliabue.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3222/2950739462_ef10ed0c4b.jpg

http://link2series.com/img/series_img/13934640752119037673.jpg http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2581848/thumbs/o-MARIO-LOPEZ-SAVED-BY-THE-BELL-570.jpg?7http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ke3bEXb7L._SX940_.jpg

http://gametrog.com/goblin/images/sega-images-main/sega-genesis-images/sega-genesis-1-images/sega-genesis-1-feature.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MhjCPGVuCyE/UW39ubzUFdI/AAAAAAAACZ4/rYybj6W2RLM/s1600/dragonball_z_early_cast.jpg

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-07/30/11/enhanced/webdr04/enhanced-17554-1406734394-1.png


The final celebrities and pop culture institutions of the '90s were introduced in 1989. So, that is what made '89 the last year year of the '80s.

The final celebrities and pop culture institutions of the '90s were introduced in 1989. So, that is what made '89 the last year year of the '80s.

Yes...those shows/movies depicted above premiered in 1989 and helped pave the way for pop culture in the 1990s (as most of 'em, such as SBTB, Family Matters, and Seinfeld) were active for a good part of that decade.

Bobby Brown's Don't Be Cruel album pretty much inaugurated the golden age of new-jack swing in autumn 1988, although yes, there were some songs from 1986 to early 1988 with elements of the genre.

Then you also had Timex Social Club with "Rumors".

http://link2series.com/img/series_img/13934640752119037673.jpg

1989 was also the time when Seinfeld started airing on television.

Then you also had Timex Social Club with "Rumors".


Rumors is just typical mid-80s pop.

IMO 1989 was distinctively different than the earlier part of the decade, the culture was shifting by then...

A much edgier M.C. Hammer in 1989 (almost early hip-hop):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xp72g5rOuo

I recall hanging out at my brother's (a new dad) in 1989, watching VH1 video shows - this was on its rotation and I regarded it a "new" sound


Wait, the music video for "Pump It Up (Here's the News) by MC Hammer was on Video Hits One in '89?

I remember seeing "Bust a Move" by Young MC and "U Can't Touch This" from MC Hammer on MTV in May or June of 1990, but I did not know they played fun hip hop on
VH-1 in the late '80s and early '90s. I guess I'll have to look at VH-1 commercials from 1989 and 1990 on YouTube now.

http://link2series.com/img/series_img/13934640752119037673.jpg

1989 was also the time when Seinfeld started airing on television.

So did Saved By The Bell, Family Matters, and the Simpsons (as a standalone show), as shown a few posts above.

I remember seeing "Bust a Move" by Young MC and "U Can't Touch This" from MC Hammer on MTV in May or June of 1990, but I did not know they played fun hip hop on
VH-1 in the late '80s and early '90s. I guess I'll have to look at VH-1 commercials from 1989 and 1990 on YouTube now.

1989 was the final year for fun hip hop.

'89 was the final year when people were not allowed to be openly nostalgic for the '70s. '80s actresses who got their start in the '70s, like Carrie Fisher, had large roles in popular movies last in 1989.

Movies from '89 have a specific feel but they're undoubtedly 80's.

I can tell these are from 1989 just by looking at them:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Burbsposter.jpg

http://cinemasalem.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/bill-and-teds-excellent-adventure-poster.jpg (I saw this one in theaters in 1989 with my brother! Ah, good times)

https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/15/MPW-7684

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/4/47/Batman_1989_-_Poster_(fan_art).jpg/revision/20140902182858

http://link2series.com/img/series_img/13934640752119037673.jpg

1989 was also the time when Seinfeld started airing on television.


Only the pilot aired in 1989, and that received pretty lukewarm reviews.  It really wasn't until Seinfeld's second season that the show became the tour de force of 90s comedy.

'89 was the final year when people were not allowed to be openly nostalgic for the '70s


What does that even mean?  ???

Movies from '89 have a specific feel but they're undoubtedly 80's.

I can tell these are from 1989 just by looking at them:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Burbsposter.jpg

http://cinemasalem.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/bill-and-teds-excellent-adventure-poster.jpg (I saw this one in theaters in 1989 with my brother! Ah, good times)

https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/15/MPW-7684

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/4/47/Batman_1989_-_Poster_(fan_art).jpg/revision/20140902182858


1989 was a good year for films.

What does that even mean?  ???
...but, what said it?

1989 was a good year for films.

I remember most of those (having seen ads for them on TV and other media), but I never saw 'em in sit-down theatres.

What does that even mean?  ???


Nothing from the '70s was retro to Americans in the 1980s, so adults could not refer to the '70s as a golden age when they were in the company of older people.

I just had a random thought. No one wore short sleeved shirts over long sleeved shirts in 1989.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V_1jIm_xsTw/hqdefault.jpg

1990 Mattel Footlights commercial


https://media.giphy.com/media/FqsdnSqOZNOE0/giphy.gif

Weird Al - Smells Like Nirvana


http://41.media.tumblr.com/b586404c1083cec9d64985571c1bbdc3/tumblr_n4i0alvq9i1s6b8e0o4_500.jpg

Ed Sheeran

I just had a random thought. No one wore short sleeved shirts over long sleeved shirts in 1989 like they did from 1990 to today:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V_1jIm_xsTw/hqdefault.jpg

1990 Mattel Footlights commercial


https://media.giphy.com/media/FqsdnSqOZNOE0/giphy.gif

Weird Al - Smells Like Nirvana


http://41.media.tumblr.com/b586404c1083cec9d64985571c1bbdc3/tumblr_n4i0alvq9i1s6b8e0o4_500.jpg

Ed Sheeran


What!? That look is a total 80's look!

What!? That look is a total 80's look!


My female peers were just beginning to do this in 1989:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c1/90/1b/c1901bb89d1c9f9253384925464a100a.jpg

My female peers were just beginning to do this in 1989:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c1/90/1b/c1901bb89d1c9f9253384925464a100a.jpg


Just to prove my point about the t-shirt over long sleeve style:

1984:
http://www.mongrelmedia.com/MongrelMedia/files/c9/c9cd5224-594e-4e12-8aeb-602f972ed3c6.jpg

1982:
http://www.feistees.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/spclt3.jpg

I remember that style getting big around 1988/1989. Of course, by time I got into High School, overalls weren't the biggest fashion with women anymore.

Just to prove my point about the t-shirt over long sleeve style:

1984:
http://www.mongrelmedia.com/MongrelMedia/files/c9/c9cd5224-594e-4e12-8aeb-602f972ed3c6.jpg

1982:
http://www.feistees.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/spclt3.jpg


I forgot that Spicoli wore a short sleeved shirt over his long sleeved one. Thank you for refreshing my memory, Jordan. I haven't seen that movie in so long.

I remember that style getting big around 1988/1989. Of course, by time I got into High School, overalls weren't the biggest fashion with women anymore.


The style definitely lasted well into the 90s:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/nk_wp_media/uploads/2011/09/b4.jpeg

What!? That look is a total 80's look!


I look at it as another look born in the '80s for the '90s.

That look will forever be associated with Kurt Cobain:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TZFJEAQ0L._SY300_.jpg

My female peers were just beginning to do this in 1989:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c1/90/1b/c1901bb89d1c9f9253384925464a100a.jpg


and this fashion statement started in the early 1990's.

There is also a list of shows that premiered in 1989:
Arsenio Hall
Coach
Super Mario Brothers Super Show
Joan Rivers
Family Matters

and this fashion statement started in the early 1990's.


Some people were wearing their overalls with one strap down in the '88 to '89 school year, like Jordan was saying, but it did not catch on with the general public until the early 1990s.

I look at it as another look born in the '80s for the '90s.

That look will forever be associated with Kurt Cobain:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TZFJEAQ0L._SY300_.jpg


I agree that it was big in the 90's/early 00's but it was already a commonplace look by 1977.

I think it's more associated with skateboarders and slackers than simply just Kurt Cobain. Flannel probably comes to mind first when someone thinks about how Kurt dressed.

Super Mario Brothers Super Show


A program that I remember quite well. Too bad it only lasted one season. :-\\

My female peers were just beginning to do this in 1989:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c1/90/1b/c1901bb89d1c9f9253384925464a100a.jpg

I notice that one of the straps on her overalls is either missing or detached.

Some people were wearing their overalls with one strap down in the '88 to '89 school year, like Jordan was saying, but it did not catch on with the general public until the early 1990s.


Was that a fashion statement?

A program that I remember quite well. Too bad it only lasted one season. :-\\


I thought it was a good show for the time.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-557Ch3JC4_c/UcQ_MQ_Q7qI/AAAAAAAAKeU/lW4o-jhCqHw/s1600/1989+sportswear+80s.jpg

Here is some more late 80's fashion for guys back then.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-557Ch3JC4_c/UcQ_MQ_Q7qI/AAAAAAAAKeU/lW4o-jhCqHw/s1600/1989+sportswear+80s.jpg

Here is some more late 80's fashion for guys back then.


1989 and "actual 80's" both look and feel the same.

Was that a fashion statement?


No.

I thought it was a good show for the time.

I thought so too.

Movies from '89 have a specific feel but they're undoubtedly 80's.

I can tell these are from 1989 just by looking at them:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Burbsposter.jpg

http://cinemasalem.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/bill-and-teds-excellent-adventure-poster.jpg (I saw this one in theaters in 1989 with my brother! Ah, good times)

https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/15/MPW-7684

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/4/47/Batman_1989_-_Poster_(fan_art).jpg/revision/20140902182858


I remember 1989 for these things:

http://iams.pbworks.com/f/1276054203/positive%20polit%20cart.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQyOFgxNjAw/z/DfYAAOSwKPNTyg9Y/$_1.JPG

http://rlv.zcache.com/shot_dead_head_smiley_face_bleeding_bullet_hole_t_shirts-r4a57c4f30ea44fc6ae71595763d8f05f_wio57_324.jpg

http://product-images.highwire.com/7006155/001-dsc0001.jpg

http://www.themoderndaypirates.com/pirates/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/7784682823624446jpg10745689992012697.jpeg

http://www.maximumeyewear.com/productfolder/party-glasses/3d-lizard-eye-sunglasses/lizard-eye-sunglasses.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4e/91/31/4e9131d3301a19aa1013f48d94d18f41.jpg

http://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/img_6769_copy1_blowup.jpg

http://www.fashiongonerogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/candice-bergen-murphy-brown-red-blazer.jpg

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/93741783-swingers-season-one-3-22-88-winnie-and-kevin-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXnxnFe8e2XOtBbO5l0oxPJ2nSJlyq%2B6vTlBevoV5xC5rffW3DPbsZM8IG8UgAi4ZXw%3D%3D


My cousin wanted this for Christmas that year:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bQA5EDxqPlg/UHMbODzzjuI/AAAAAAAATxs/MiL9bLj9fJg/s1600/firestation.jpg

I notice that one of the straps on her overalls is either missing or detached.


Guys wore their overalls and shortalls like that from 1990 to 1998 or '99.

This photo is from 1990:

http://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/300x300/b903102189b2403593d8d42ba9282bf6.png

Hammer pants!

A program that I remember quite well. Too bad it only lasted one season. :-\\


It was only followed by one of the most '90s shows of all time.

http://www.acartoonchristmas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mario-club.jpg

It was only followed by one of the most '90s shows of all time.

http://www.acartoonchristmas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mario-club.jpg

Ah yes, the "live action" segments featuring Lou Albano and Danny Wells as the titular characters were later replaced by "Club Mario" segments. I remember that too.

Guys wore their overalls and shortalls like that from 1990 to 1998 or '99.

This photo is from 1990:

http://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/300x300/b903102189b2403593d8d42ba9282bf6.png

Hammer pants!

Ah, thanks for clarifying. O0 I wasn't sure if that was part of the style (ie, she intentionally wore 'em like that) or accidental.

1989 and "actual 80's" both look and feel the same.



I don't know what the difference was.

http://www.themoderndaypirates.com/pirates/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/7784682823624446jpg10745689992012697.jpeg

I remember owning a Nintendo system.

(Pictures of cool 1989 stuff)



My favorite memory of 1989 will always be seeing Bill and Ted with my brother in theaters. That is what sticks out most about 1989 to me.


Guys wore their overalls and shortalls like that from 1990 to 1998 or '99.


Got to disagree about this one, though. When I started High School in 1996 that style was already dying. By 1998, like most mid 90's fashions, not many people wore it anymore.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cC5WSNffsOE/hqdefault.jpg

Here's a picture from a scene in Halloween 5 (1989). The movie was filmed in the spring of 1989.

Ah, thanks for clarifying. O0 I wasn't sure if that was part of the style (ie, she intentionally wore 'em like that) or accidental.


Happy to help, nally.  ;)

http://www.themoderndaypirates.com/pirates/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/7784682823624446jpg10745689992012697.jpeg

I remember owning a Nintendo system.


It was the best selling Christmas gift for two years of the late '80s.

My favorite memory of 1989 will always be seeing Bill and Ted with my brother in theaters. That is what sticks out most about 1989 to me.


I was trying to get my hands on the Who Framed Roger Rabbit VHS in December of '89. Roger Rabbit was everywhere at the start of '89.

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m1ekUOe0lfBh-TP1PnnAK-w.jpg

I was trying to get my hands on the Who Framed Roger Rabbit VHS in December of '89. Roger Rabbit was everywhere at the start of '89.

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m1ekUOe0lfBh-TP1PnnAK-w.jpg


So TheEarly90sGuy, did 1989 feel different from the rest of the 1980's? I only turned one in November of 1989.

So TheEarly90sGuy, did 1989 feel different from the rest of the 1980's? I only turned one in November of 1989.


Living in the last two months of '89 was not all too different from being in January of 1990. The transition from the '80s to the '90s was not complete until after 12:00 AM on January 1, 1990. '89, for the most part, was not any less '80s than all of the other years.

Donna Summer was still the undisputed Queen of Disco then:

czF6f8u1X-E

Sonny Bono was mayor of Palm Springs at the time and he was on Letterman:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z3SuDKVXdGc/hqdefault.jpg

The now vintage Scooby Doo plushes were on store shelves like they were in the '70s:

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjA3/z/N8oAAOSwwE5WWRcA/$_35.JPG

'89 was the last time when both Billy Crystal and '80s actress Carrie Fisher starred in a pop-culturally important movie:

http://gallerytheimage.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Original_Watermark/when_harry_met_sally_frgrand.jpg

Not to mention, '89 was the very final time when "pet rock" jokes weren't rare:

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-08-03/news/vw-1042_1_pet-rock

Single plastic dangling hoop earrings were still being worn by people under the age of 18:

http://www.singleblackmale.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/saved-lisa-turtle-then.gif


1989 did give us '90s icons, like Steve Urkel, but Urkel wasn't the wacky next door neighbor that America fell in love with in 1990 just yet. Jaleel was only a guest star on the show in 1989.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hZmPbBTfQ4A/hqdefault.jpg


I consider 1989 to be the last year of the 1980s and nothing else.

Living in the last two months of '89 was not all too different from being in January of 1990. The transition from the '80s to the '90s was not complete until after 12:00 AM on January 1, 1990. '89, for the most part, was not any less '80s than all of the other years.


If the 90's began on 1990 then why do you hate everything 1993 onward?

It was the best selling Christmas gift for two years of the late '80s.


I have loads of favorite games from that console.

If the 90's began on 1990 then why do you hate everything 1993 onward?


There was not as much '00s culture coming in before 1992 as there was after that point.

I'll take the worst sitcom of the 1980s and early '90s over Friends any day. While those programs are cheesy today, many of them still hold their charm.

I also miss the clothes of the early '90s.

Here is a Newport ad from 1990:

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/u8YAAOxymspSHnOT/s-l300.jpg

I have loads of favorite games from that console.


Duck Hunt and Paperboy are classic video games in my book.

There was not as much '00s culture coming in before 1992 as there was after that point.

I'll take the worst sitcom of the 1980s and early '90s over Friends any day. While those programs are cheesy today, many of them still hold their charm.

I also miss the clothes of the early '90s.

Here is a Newport ad from 1990:



I agree from a certain point of view. You probably already know I consider 1998-2002 the "what-if 2000's" (with a bit of the real 90's mixed in) and not the real 2000's. If you mean that "what-if 2000's" culture was already coming in by 1993 then I agree. Real 2000's culture, on the other hand, started in 2003.

I still consider 1990-1992 a part of the 80's.

I agree from a certain point of view. You probably already know I consider 1998-2002 the "what-if 2000's" (with a bit of the real 90's mixed in) and not the real 2000's. If you mean that "what-if 2000's" culture was already coming in by 1993 then I agree. Real 2000's culture, on the other hand, started in 2003.

I still consider 1990-1992 a part of the 80's.


What is "what-if 2000s" culture and real 2000s culture?

For the life of me, I cannot see Sonic the Hedgehog as anything other than a '00s pop culture character. Sonic was not present at any time during the years 1978 to 1989 nor was he last seen in 1998. You could still turn on your TV in 2004 and see a Saturday morning Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon. Sonic is not important to this decade like he was to the last one. There is a clear difference between now and then.

What is "what-if 2000s" culture and real 2000s culture?

For the life of me, I cannot see Sonic the Hedgehog as anything other than a '00s pop culture character. Sonic was not present at any time during the years 1978 to 1989 nor was he last seen in 1998. You could still turn on your TV in 2004 and see a Saturday morning Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon. Sonic is not important to this decade like he was to the last one.


What-if 2000's examples = Sum 41, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, blink-182, The Calling, Goo Goo Dolls, Can't Hardly Wait, American Pie, Van Wilder, Spiky hair, baggy dickies

Real 2000's examples = Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco, Paramore, Hawthorne Heights, Myspace, Mean Girls, iPods, White Chicks, bangs, v-necks, tight pants

Fair point about Sonic.

What-if 2000's examples = Sum 41, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, blink-182, The Calling, Goo Goo Dolls, Can't Hardly Wait, American Pie, Van Wilder, Spiky hair, baggy dickies

Real 2000's examples = Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco, Paramore, Hawthorne Heights, Myspace, Mean Girls, iPods, White Chicks, bangs, v-necks, tight pants

Fair point about Sonic.


Lindsay Lohan, that's a name I have heard in a while. She definitely the teen idol of the 2000s.

Lindsay Lohan, that's a name I have heard in a while. She definitely the teen idol of the 2000s.


I totally agree. You see, before Mean Girls, she was in all those kiddie Disney movies and she didn't have the teen idol status. 2004 changed that. Child-Teen Lindsay Lohan from Parent Trap to Freaky Friday is a part of the what-if 2000's but adult Lindsay Lohan who had starred in Mean Girls is definitely real 2000's. Jason Biggs is the real star of the What-If 2000's. Along with Matthew Lillard, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Jennifer Love-Hewitt, Freddie Prinze Jr. and Neve Campbell. Those stars weren't as relevant after 2003 as they were during the 90's/2000-2002. 

Living in the last two months of '89 was not all too different from being in January of 1990. The transition from the '80s to the '90s was not complete until after 12:00 AM on January 1, 1990. '89, for the most part, was not any less '80s than all of the other years.

Donna Summer was still the undisputed Queen of Disco then:

czF6f8u1X-E

Sonny Bono was mayor of Palm Springs at the time and he was on Letterman:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z3SuDKVXdGc/hqdefault.jpg

The now vintage Scooby Doo plushes were on store shelves like they were in the '70s:

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjA3/z/N8oAAOSwwE5WWRcA/$_35.JPG

'89 was the last time when both Billy Crystal and '80s actress Carrie Fisher starred in a pop-culturally important movie:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE0ODEwNjM2NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjU2Mzg3NA@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg

Not to mention, '89 was the very final time when "pet rock" jokes weren't rare:

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-08-03/news/vw-1042_1_pet-rock

Single plastic dangling hoop earrings were still being worn by people under the age of 18:

http://www.singleblackmale.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/saved-lisa-turtle-then.gif


1989 did give us '90s icons, like Steve Urkel, but Urkel wasn't the wacky next door neighbor that America fell in love with in 1990 just yet. Jaleel was only a guest star on the show in 1989.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hZmPbBTfQ4A/hqdefault.jpg


I consider 1989 to be the last year of the 1980s and nothing else.


Thank you, TheEarly90sGuy.  :)

There was not as much '00s culture coming in before 1992 as there was after that point.

I'll take the worst sitcom of the 1980s and early '90s over Friends any day. While those programs are cheesy today, many of them still hold their charm.

I also miss the clothes of the early '90s.

Here is a Newport ad from 1990:

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/u8YAAOxymspSHnOT/s-l300.jpg


Are you kidding me? Friends was way more funny and likable than the sitcoms of the '80s. Friends brought back likable characters in sitcoms (Ross was an ass, but he was the only one). The '80s sitcoms never did anything to tell a story or teach a lesson in any meaningful way. A lot (almost all) of the humor from then is outdated and incredibly stupid. As in, "wow, people actually thought this was funny?" Friends was better than a lot of other sitcoms running at the same time such as Seinfeld (unlikable characters) and Step By Step (stupid humor), and the humor and jokes have aged well. The writer have done a fine job at trying to avoid using technology and fads to keep the jokes alive even today.

And the clothes of the early '90s were not only ugly, but also impractical and poorly made. 1993 isn't different from the early '90s. 1994 is.

1993 isn't different from the early '90s. 1994 is.


'93 isn't different from the early '90s? I don't know where you got that from. Care to expound on that a bit?

Thank you, TheEarly90sGuy.  :)


My pleasure, Millenium Mansion 07.

'93 isn't different from the early '90s? I don't know where you got that from. Care to expound on that a bit?


Uh, the music? It sounds completely the same as 1991 and 1992. Even some 1989 songs sound like they could fit comfortably with 1993. And people were also dressing the exact same in 1993 as they were in 1989-1992.

Duck Hunt and Paperboy are classic video games in my book.


I also enjoyed Hogan's Alley.

http://slgames.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/hogans-alley.jpg

Uh, the music? It sounds completely the same as 1991 and 1992. Even some 1989 songs sound like they could fit comfortably with 1993. And people were also dressing the exact same in 1993 as they were in 1989-1992.


I agree with you that the major shift into the mid-90s was in 1994, but there were a lot of subtle differences between 1993 and the few years preceding it.  For one, musically, the beginning of the year saw the commercial breakthrough of gangsta rap.  While classic party rap like "Boom! Shake the Room" and "Come Baby Come" still locked most of the hip hop industry, you can't deny the wave of more aggressive songs flooding in like "Dre Day", "Check Yo Self", and "Insane in the Brain."  These types of songs were existent during the Bush '41 era, but they were still fairly underground.  Around 1993, eurodance began to really emerge with its classic 90s sound; this trend began fully with Snap's "Rhythm Is a Dancer" and progressed with stuff like "More and More," "All That She Wants," and "What Is Love," although 1994-1996 was the genre's true peak in the United States.  Hair metal still had glimpses of popularity throughout 1992, thanks to the success of certain singles (especially Guns N' Roses' "November Rain"), but aside from a minor hit each by Poison and Def Leppard at the beginning of the year, 1993 saw 80s glam metal cleared from the forefront of the music industry completely.

The film and television industries also experienced sizable shifts in 1993.  The Ninja Turtles franchise jumped the shark with the underwhelming third film, allowing newer shows like Batman: TAS, Animaniacs, Power Rangers, and the first wave of Nicktoons to overtake it.  Frasier, Beavis and Butthead, and The X-Files, three of the most significant shows of the decade, all premiered in 1993.  1980s-style male action flicks made their final, unsuccessful breath that year with Last Action Hero, while Jurassic Park completely redefined the summer blockbuster for the coming generation.

Fashion in 1993 was a clash of the new and old.  80s perms remained popular with women, while African American males still largely sported fade tops instead of corn rows.  Some neon colors remained popular in 1993.  However, grunge fashion was now at its most popular.  Curtained hair and bowl cuts were standard for guys, the mullet pretty much obsolete by this point.

1993, in my opinion, was still early 90s first and foremost - critical mid-90s trends like pop punk, post-grunge, britpop, and g-funk-influenced contemporary r&b were still not established yet - but it was also the first year that felt comfortably detached from the 1980s, so I can understand why TheEarly90sGuy pinpoints such a shift during that year.  It was the first year Bill Clinton was President of the United States, which in itself should account for quite a lot.  There was definitely a lot of core 90s influence creeping in, especially during the last third of the year, but at the same time, it was still the peak of things like Sega Genesis, Nirvana, classic Nicktoons, Street Fighter II and Mortal Kombat, house music, modern new-jack swing, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

Uh, the music? It sounds completely the same as 1991 and 1992. Even some 1989 songs sound like they could fit comfortably with 1993. And people were also dressing the exact same in 1993 as they were in 1989-1992.

I don't know man, ''Hey Mr. Dj'' by Zhane, ''It was a good Day'' by Ice Cube and ''Aint nuthin but a G thang'' all sound like there mid 90s to me.

I don't know man, ''Hey Mr. Dj'' by Zhane, ''It was a good Day'' by Ice Cube and ''Aint nuthin but a G thang'' all sound like there mid 90s to me.


Honestly, those three songs are transitional more than anything else.  "Hey Mr. DJ" still has a new-jack swing rhythm, as opposed to the silkier, more laid-back sound that TLC and Brandy would bring in a year later.  It sounds more modern than previous pop songs, but I doubt it would have still been a hit had it come out in mid-1995.  "It Was a Good Day" may be a lot more profane than the majority of big hits that preceded it, but it lacks the g-funk flavor that gangsta rap is most known for; "You Know How We Do It" from Lethal Injection is a much stronger example of Ice Cube pursuing a distinctly mid-90s sound.  Even "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang," despite its influence on future hip hop chart hits, does not have an entirely developed soundscape.  Despite the iconic squeal-synth riff, the song's beat actually sounds distinctly early 90s with its light, shaker/tambourine-driven feel, a lot like Snow's "Informer," which was popular at the same time.  It really wasn't until Snoop Dogg came out with Doggystyle that mid-90s gangsta rap fully found its voice.

I don't know man, ''Hey Mr. Dj'' by Zhane, ''It was a good Day'' by Ice Cube and ''Aint nuthin but a G thang'' all sound like there mid 90s to me.


Yes, they do. But you can say the same thing for a couple years after, such as Next's "Too Close" (which sounds a lot like "Hey Mr. DJ"; male equivalent), Coolio's "C U When U Get There", and Tamia's "So Into You" which all sound mid '90s as well.


Despite the iconic squeal-synth riff, the song's beat actually sounds distinctly early 90s with its light, shaker/tambourine-driven feel, a lot like Snow's "Informer," which was popular at the same time.


That was an orchestra, dude. They were using violins.

That was an orchestra, dude. They were using violins.


I mean during the intro, as well as the chorus, not the bridge.

I mean during the intro, as well as the chorus, not the bridge.


I was talking about the pre-chorus section. During these lyrics, they had an actual orchestra:

Now, that's realer than real deal Holyfield
And now all you hookas and ho's know how I feel
Well, if it's good enough to get broke off a proper chunk
I'll take a small piece of some of that funky stuff

and

To add to my collection, the selection
Symbolizes dope, take a toke but don't choke
If ya' do, ya' have no clue
O' what me and my homey Snoop Dogg came to do

I was talking about the pre-chorus section. During these lyrics, they had an actual orchestra:

Now, that's realer than real deal Holyfield
And now all you hookas and ho's know how I feel
Well, if it's good enough to get broke off a proper chunk
I'll take a small piece of some of that funky stuff

and

To add to my collection, the selection
Symbolizes dope, take a toke but don't choke
If ya' do, ya' have no clue
O' what me and my homey Snoop Dogg came to do


Yeah, I know there's an orchestra section right before the chorus, but my point was that during the intro and chorus, that same motif is played with a synthesizer instead.

Most songs from 1993 are pretty distinct from 1989. 1992 is half and half, I guess.

Most songs from 1993 are pretty distinct from 1989. 1992 is half and half, I guess.


1992 is the last year connected to the 80's, in my opinion.

1992 is the last year connected to the 80's, in my opinion.


Yeah with 1993, although there are bits of 80s here and there, it is very 90s by then.

Yeah with 1993, although there are bits of 80s here and there, it is very 90s by then.


For sure! 1993 was a transition year that was more 90's than 80's. 1992 had stuff like Degrassi: School's Out which felt very 80's whereas 1993 had movies like Jurassic Park which is 100% 90's.

For sure! 1993 was a transition year that was more 90's than 80's. 1992 had stuff like Degrassi: School's Out which felt very 80's whereas 1993 had movies like Jurassic Park which is 100% 90's.


How 80's was 1992, percentage wise?  ???

How 80's was 1992, percentage wise?  ???


Man, I suck at math.... About 85% to 95%, maybe? Thing is, I consider 1990-1992 the 80's rather than the 90's. I remember 1992 feeling closer to 1987-1989 than it did 1994 and 1995.

Man, I suck at math.... About 85% to 95%, maybe? Thing is, I consider 1990-1992 the 80's rather than the 90's. I remember 1992 feeling closer to 1987-1989 than it did 1994 and 1995.


Good enough for me.

I remember when The original Gameboy came out in 1989 just as some new Nintendo games too as well.

I remember when The original Gameboy came out in 1989 just as some new Nintendo games too as well.


They all came with Tetris. That is a pretty rad game!

They all came with Tetris. That is a pretty rad game!



Tetris was also a cool game, very challenging.

Tetris was also a cool game, very challenging.


I am the master Tetris player. I played that game everyday on my way to school when I was a kid.

I am the master Tetris player. I played that game everyday on my way to school when I was a kid.


How did you do?

How did you do?


I wasn't too bad. I'd be able to play for a good ten minutes before losing.

I agree with you that the major shift into the mid-90s was in 1994, but there were a lot of subtle differences between 1993 and the few years preceding it.  For one, musically, the beginning of the year saw the commercial breakthrough of gangsta rap.  While classic party rap like "Boom! Shake the Room" and "Come Baby Come" still locked most of the hip hop industry, you can't deny the wave of more aggressive songs flooding in like "Dre Day", "Check Yo Self", and "Insane in the Brain."  These types of songs were existent during the Bush '41 era, but they were still fairly underground.  Around 1993, eurodance began to really emerge with its classic 90s sound; this trend began fully with Snap's "Rhythm Is a Dancer" and progressed with stuff like "More and More," "All That She Wants," and "What Is Love," although 1994-1996 was the genre's true peak in the United States.  Hair metal still had glimpses of popularity throughout 1992, thanks to the success of certain singles (especially Guns N' Roses' "November Rain"), but aside from a minor hit each by Poison and Def Leppard at the beginning of the year, 1993 saw 80s glam metal cleared from the forefront of the music industry completely.

The film and television industries also experienced sizable shifts in 1993.  The Ninja Turtles franchise jumped the shark with the underwhelming third film, allowing newer shows like Batman: TAS, Animaniacs, Power Rangers, and the first wave of Nicktoons to overtake it.  Frasier, Beavis and Butthead, and The X-Files, three of the most significant shows of the decade, all premiered in 1993.  1980s-style male action flicks made their final, unsuccessful breath that year with Last Action Hero, while Jurassic Park completely redefined the summer blockbuster for the coming generation.

Fashion in 1993 was a clash of the new and old.  80s perms remained popular with women, while African American males still largely sported fade tops instead of corn rows.  Some neon colors remained popular in 1993.  However, grunge fashion was now at its most popular.  Curtained hair and bowl cuts were standard for guys, the mullet pretty much obsolete by this point.

1993, in my opinion, was still early 90s first and foremost - critical mid-90s trends like pop punk, post-grunge, britpop, and g-funk-influenced contemporary r&b were still not established yet - but it was also the first year that felt comfortably detached from the 1980s, so I can understand why TheEarly90sGuy pinpoints such a shift during that year.  It was the first year Bill Clinton was President of the United States, which in itself should account for quite a lot.  There was definitely a lot of core 90s influence creeping in, especially during the last third of the year, but at the same time, it was still the peak of things like Sega Genesis, Nirvana, classic Nicktoons, Street Fighter II and Mortal Kombat, house music, modern new-jack swing, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.


It was the peak of Sonic the Hedgehog, Grohlvana, Ren and Stimpy, Street Fighter II, Mortal Kombat, modern house music, modern new-jack swing, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. All of those were introduced in the early '90s and reached their peak in 1993 (the first year of the mid '90s). The inside-out sweatshirts, black biker shorts with the neon stripes on them, and tribal sweaters with the multicolor print were all gone by the time '93 rolled around.

It was the peak of Sonic the Hedgehog, Grohlvana, Ren and Stimpy, Street Fighter II, Mortal Kombat, modern house music, modern new-jack swing, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. All of those were introduced in the early '90s and reached their peak in 1993 (the first year of the mid '90s). The inside-out sweatshirts, black biker shorts with the neon stripes on them, and tribal sweaters with the multicolor print were all gone by the time '93 rolled around.


I think 1993 is a transitional year that's more 90's than 80's. It had some remains of the early 90's but it became almost solidly mid 90's early on in the year. Especially around March 'cause that's when Beavis and Butthead premiered.

I remember when The original Gameboy came out in 1989 just as some new Nintendo games too as well.

They all came with Tetris. That is a pretty rad game!

Sure is!! I remember when I got my Gameboy and enjoyed the Tetris game.

Tetris was also a cool game, very challenging.


I am the master Tetris player. I played that game everyday on my way to school when I was a kid.

I wasn't too bad. I'd be able to play for a good ten minutes before losing.


Of course, it does get more challenging as you proceed past the single-digit level numbers, cuz then the blocks start coming down really fast. The level, btw, tops out at 20...this I found out on Youtube, so if you get more than 209 lines the level will remain at 20 until the blocks pile up to the top (since that's the only way for the game to end). For the record, I myself have never gotten that many lines (my all time best is 185 lines on the GB version of Tetris), but yeah it did get increasingly hard to maneuver the pieces when they started coming down so quickly.

Of course, it does get more challenging as you proceed past the single-digit level numbers, cuz then the blocks start coming down really fast. The level, btw, tops out at 20...this I found out on Youtube, so if you get more than 209 lines the level will remain at 20 until the blocks pile up to the top (since that's the only way for the game to end). For the record, I myself have never gotten that many lines (my all time best is 185 lines on the GB version of Tetris), but yeah it did get increasingly hard to maneuver the pieces when they started coming down so quickly.


This certainly answers my lifelong question of Tetris either congratulating you or just going until you hit the top! You certainly did better than I did! I think I barely just passed 100 when I'd play. It was tons of fun, though. I remember in High School I'd play it all throughout my classes. Never got caught once, either! It was a bit difficult without the black light but I managed. 

For sure! 1993 was a transition year that was more 90's than 80's. 1992 had stuff like Degrassi: School's Out which felt very 80's whereas 1993 had movies like Jurassic Park which is 100% 90's.


The best shows of the early '90s (Doogie Howser MD, Life Goes On, and Saved by the Bell) all went flat at the very start of 1993. So, there was definitely a noticeable difference between 1992 and 1993.

I'd say that Degrassi: School's Out was '90s film. It was nowhere near as good as the '89 to '90 and '90 to '91 seasons of Degrassi High, but it was the finale to the series.

This certainly answers my lifelong question of Tetris either congratulating you or just going until you hit the top! You certainly did better than I did! I think I barely just passed 100 when I'd play. It was tons of fun, though. I remember in High School I'd play it all throughout my classes. Never got caught once, either! It was a bit difficult without the black light but I managed.

Thanks. Also, before I ever reached the century mark in number of lines for the first time (this was sometime in the 90s), I wondered what would happen if you got to that plateau; turns out the level does go to 10 (even though you can't start the game at that level number)... and as I wrote above, the number doesn't go past 20. (I think that if it did, the blocks would be virtually impossible to maneuver.)

The best shows of the early '90s (Doogie Howser MD, Life Goes On, and Saved by the Bell) all went flat at the very start of 1993. There was definitely a noticeable difference between 1992 and 1993.

I'd say that Degrassi: School's Out was '90s film. It was nowhere near as good as the '89 to '90 and '90 to '91 seasons of Degrassi High, but it was the finale to the series.


It's true 1992 was a lot different than 1993 but I still think that the year was a transition from the 80's to the real 90's. It leaned a lot more on the 90's side than the 80's side but the 90's wasn't completely there yet.

You think so? That movie reeks 80's to me. I mean, yeah, it definitely wasn't at all as good as the show itself but the fashion and music seems a lot closer to something from 1988 or 1989 than the alternative grungy fashions of the mid 90's.


Thanks. Also, before I ever reached the century mark in number of lines for the first time (this was sometime in the 90s), I wondered what would happen if you got to that plateau; turns out the level does go to 10 (even though you can't start the game at that level number)... and as I wrote above, the number doesn't go past 20. (I think that if it did, the blocks would be virtually impossible to maneuver.)


Could you imagine it going past 20 on those small scenes?? Oh man, it'd be so much more difficult than it already was! I'm happy to finally know that it actually stops somewhere. I seriously thought it would of kept going on until you died.

Could you imagine it going past 20 on those small scenes?? Oh man, it'd be so much more difficult than it already was! I'm happy to finally know that it actually stops somewhere. I seriously thought it would kept going on until you died.

By the way, here's the video of the longest known gameplay of GB Tetris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keeSEJG4XzU
It was apparently uploaded ten years ago.
The score also maxes out at six digits.

It's true 1992 was a lot different than 1993 but I still think that the year was a transition from the 80's to the real 90's. It leaned a lot more on the 90's side than the 80's side but the 90's wasn't completely there yet.


The last months of '92 were the tip end of the line that passed through the two points (1990 and 1993). 1992 was the still a year of the early '90s, but it looked most like the start of '93 by the end.

For sure! 1993 was a transition year that was more 90's than 80's. 1992 had stuff like Degrassi: School's Out which felt very 80's whereas 1993 had movies like Jurassic Park which is 100% 90's.


I just cannot think of Jurassic Park as a '90s staple. The franchise may not have been dominant in the 2000s, but the merchandise was in stores from day one of that time (2000s) to the very end. Don't get me wrong, the '93 movie is one of the reasons why so many people love the year 1993, but it was not the last film in the series. Most things are great when they are launched for the first time, but culture usually grows into something more over time. 2001 was the last year that I remember hearing a Jurassic Park film was in theaters.

By the way, here's the video of the longest known gameplay of GB Tetris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keeSEJG4XzU
It was apparently uploaded ten years ago.
The score also maxes out at six digits.


Jesus! Things on Youtube uploaded 10 years ago. That is still a crazy thought!

Oh hey, it does congratulate you! The mystery of my youth has been solved! I don't know why I didn't look this up a long time ago.


The last months of '92 were the tip end of the line that passed through the two points (1990 and 1993). 1992 was the still a year of the early '90s, but it looked most like the start of '93 by the end.


You see 1990-1992 as a transitional time whereas I see it as a prominently 80's time with some minor transitions. 1993 felt like the true start of the 90's.


I just cannot think of Jurassic Park as a '90s staple. The franchise may not have been dominant in the 2000s, but the merchandise was in stores from day one of that time (2000s) to the very end. Don't get me wrong, the '93 movie is one of the reasons why so many people love the year 1993, but it was not the last film in the series. Most things are great when they are launched for the first time, but culture usually grows into something more over time. 2001 was the last year that I remember hearing a Jurassic Park film was in theaters.


I don't think that just because it wasn't around from 1990-1999, doesn't exclude it from being a 90's franchise. In my opinion, the full 90's decade was 1993-2003 so from my point of view Jurassic Park was there from beginning to end of the 90's. But uhh... Jurassic World was in theaters last year. 

Sure is!! I remember when I got my Gameboy and enjoyed the Tetris game.


and still to this date after 27 years I still have the original Gameboy but not in the greatest shape.

Jesus! Things on Youtube uploaded 10 years ago. That is still a crazy thought!

Oh hey, it does congratulate you! The mystery of my youth has been solved! I don't know why I didn't look this up a long time ago.

You see 1990-1992 as a transitional time whereas I see it as a prominently 80's time with some minor transitions. 1993 felt like the true start of the 90's.

I don't think that just because it wasn't around from 1990-1999, doesn't exclude it from being a 90's franchise. In my opinion, the full 90's decade was 1993-2003 so from my point of view Jurassic Park was there from beginning to end of the 90's. But uhh... Jurassic World was in theaters last year.


The Jurassic Park books and movies were only from the '90s. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a '90s franchise, The Turtles were present from January 1st of 1990 to the end of 1998. When you ask people over the age of 30 about the Turtles, they usually say something to the extent of The Turtles being in stores in the '90s.

Jurassic World was a new chapter in the franchise, it was not on the same page as the trilogy. There were not any DVDs or toys with the Jurassic World label on them during the 2000s. The 2000s were the time of Jurassic Park merchandise being in stores. I think of the release of Jurassic World was the divider from the early 2010s and late '10s. There were Jurassic Park action figures in stores from 2011 to 2014, but 2015 appears to be the cut off year that makes 2010s less like the 2000s and more like the 2020s. We'll probably see Jurassic Park Blu-Ray discs in stores for the remainder of the 2010s and into the 2020s. After all, they were only first sold in 2011.

The Jurassic Park books and movies were only from the '90s.

What about Jurassic Park III, which came out in 2001?

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a '90s franchise, The Turtles were present from January 1st of 1990 to the end of 1998. When you ask people over the age of 30 about the Turtles, they usually say something to the extent of The Turtles being in stores in the '90s.

Or unless those people you mentioned also heard of TMNT back in the late 80s. Especially when they have a famous TV show which premiered in 1987. Or unless you were screwing around with us.

The Jurassic Park books and movies were only from the '90s. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a '90s franchise, The Turtles were present from January 1st of 1990 to the end of 1998. When you ask people over the age of 30 about the Turtles, they usually say something to the extent of The Turtles being in stores in the '90s.


That works if you consider the early 2000's a part of the 90's since Jurassic Park 3 came out in 2001. Dude, the Turtles never left. They got real big in 1990 when the movie came out and they're still a hit with the kids. When I went Christmas shopping last year I saw a whole slew of new Turtle toys at Toys R Us. Not to mention the fact that they're still making movies. You do realize I'm 33, right? You're only around 5 years older than me. I never really watched the trutles, though. I preferred shows like The Real Ghost Busters, He-Man, Looney Tunes and Duck Tales.



Jurassic World was a new chapter in the franchise, it was not on the same page as the trilogy. There were not any DVDs or toys with the Jurassic World label on them during the 2000s. The 2000s were the time of Jurassic Park merchandise being in stores. I think of the release of Jurassic World was the divider from the early 2010s and late '10s. There were Jurassic Park action figures in stores from 2011 to 2014, but 2015 appears to be the cut off year that makes 2010s less like the 2000s and more like the 2020s. We'll probably see Jurassic Park Blu-Ray discs in stores for the remainder of the 2010s and into the 2020s. After all, they were only first sold in 2011.


...???... Yeah... Uhh...

...That doesn't make a lick of sense whatsoever...

How's Jurassic World any different from the other three aside from the name? It's still Jurassic Park. A continuation of a franchise from the, uh, you know... the 90's...

What about Jurassic Park III, which came out in 2001?

I was saying in my last post that Jurassic Park was a '00s franchise born in the '90s. The last film, like you are saying, was shown in theaters in the 2000s.

Or unless those people you mentioned also heard of TMNT back in the late 80s. Especially when they have a famous TV show which premiered in 1987. Or unless you were screwing around with us.


The Turtles were only the third best selling toys of the 1989 Christmas season, not the first. That honor went to the Gameboy. Most Americans remember the hustle to find Teenage Mutant Ninia Turtles action figures in the early '90s and how the action figures stayed on the shelves all through the '90s even when they were no longer popular.

Yeah, I know there's an orchestra section right before the chorus, but my point was that during the intro and chorus, that same motif is played with a synthesizer instead.


He's wrong ::), it is a synth, mostly likely a ARP string synth, it was used quite frequently during the '70s.

That works if you consider the early 2000's a part of the 90's since Jurassic Park 3 came out in 2001. Dude, the Turtles never left. They got real big in 1990 when the movie came out and they're still a hit with the kids. When I went Christmas shopping last year I saw a whole slew of new Turtle toys at Toys R Us. Not to mention the fact that they're still making movies. You do realize I'm 33, right? You're only around 5 years older than me. I never really watched the trutles, though. I preferred shows like The Real Ghost Busters, He-Man, Looney Tunes and Duck Tales.

Unlike Jurassic World, I can definitely see why TheEarly90sGuy would divide Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles by generation (1987 cartoon/live action trilogy era, 2003 cartoon/2007 CGI film era, and 2012 cartoon/Michael Bay era).  The newer generation is very different from its predecessor, in this case.  However, the series was nowhere near as popular in the mid-90s and late 90s as it was in the late 80s and early 90s.  New films stopped coming out for a while after the failure of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III, and the original cartoon was canceled in 1996, despite the series finale clearly alluding to a new season.  The Next Mutation live action show aired during the 1997-1998 TV season but was pulled due to being a huge flop.  So, technically, this generation was around during the entire 90s period, at least as TheEarly90sGuy defines it, but it was only truly relevant during the decade's early years.  This is consistent with his idea that pop culture moved away from "the spirit of 1990" as the decade progressed, but I still wouldn't categorize the original show and live action films as having represented the entire decade, as opposed to both the late 80s and early 90s.

Jurassic World was a new chapter in the franchise, it was not on the same page as the trilogy. There were not any DVDs or toys with the Jurassic World label on them during the 2000s. The 2000s were the time of Jurassic Park merchandise being in stores. I think of the release of Jurassic World was the divider from the early 2010s and late '10s. There were Jurassic Park action figures in stores from 2011 to 2014, but 2015 appears to be the cut off year that makes 2010s less like the 2000s and more like the 2020s. We'll probably see Jurassic Park Blu-Ray discs in stores for the remainder of the 2010s and into the 2020s. After all, they were only first sold in 2011.


It's not like Jurassic World is a complete reboot of the entire series, it's explicitly the fourth film in the same canon as the original movies, even making several direct references to the first film.  It certainly isn't the same thing as the 2010s "of the" Planet of the Apes franchise versus the 2001 Tim Burton film, or the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy versus the Prequel Trilogy.


I was saying in my last post that Jurassic Park was a '00s franchise born in the '90s. The last film, like you are saying, was shown in theaters in the 2000s.

The biggest problem is that you always define decades based on "the spirit of" specific years that happened  to have merchandise and spin-offs in the coming years of products that peaked during that year, regardless of their popularity at the time.  It's pretty ridiculous to say Jurassic World was not an important part of 1990s culture just because it doesn't represent the spirit of 1990, a year which was still more dominated by trends popular in the 1980s than ones that would be truly popular during most of the 90s.  Actually, the novel that the film was originally based on was written in 1990, so technically the franchise was around during every year of the decade.  For most of the actual 2000s, on the other hand, Jurassic Park merchandise was pretty limited, especially after the home video release of Jurassic Park III.  Why does the release date of the final film in the franchise, which was nowhere near as successful as the first two, matter so much more than the movies that grossed far more at the box office and actually inspired the most products and rip-offs in deciding which decade the franchise is "for"?  It doesn't matter if products based on or inspired by Jurassic Park still technically existed during all of the 2000s, even if only through things like Internet fan fiction or DVD rereleases, I certainly wouldn't expect somebody to think of Jurassic Park when a year like 2007 is brought up, for example.

In fact, let's compare the franchise in the 90s versus the 2000s:

1990s:

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https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/142/MPW-71462

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Jurassic_Park_(Sega_game).jpg

http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/the-lost-world-jurassic-park-poster.jpg

2000s:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Jurassic_Park_III_poster.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tifBiMkTHo

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Universal_Studios_Theme_Parks_Adventure_Coverart.png

You tell me which decade produced the most relevant Jurassic Park media.

The Turtles were only the third best selling toys of the 1989 Christmas season, not the first. That honor went to the Gameboy. Most Americans remember the hustle to find Teenage Mutant Ninia Turtles action figures in the early '90s and how the action figures stayed on the shelves all through the '90s even when they were no longer popular.


First of all, you're acting as though Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was more popular in the mid and late 90s than it was in the late 80s.  There's a reason TMNT products stayed on the shelves in 1994-1998, even though they were still being made.  Second, isn't "third best selling" still pretty darn significant?  Just because 1990 was when the Turtles peaked doesn't mean that's when everybody was introduced to them.  You're contradicting yourself, anyway, by pretending the Turtles "weren't relevant enough" in 1989 to have defined that year, even though you're perfectly okay calling 1997 and 1998 TMNT years even though the original cartoon was over by then and only the sucky Next Mutation show remained.

That works if you consider the early 2000's a part of the 90's since Jurassic Park 3 came out in 2001.

I do not see how anyone could consider the early '00s a part of the 1990s. Jurassic Park 3 was a monster of a different type than Jurassic Park and The Lost World: Jurassic Park.


...???... Yeah... Uhh...

...That doesn't make a lick of sense whatsoever...

How's Jurassic World any different from the other three aside from the name? It's still Jurassic Park. A continuation of a franchise from the, uh, you know... the 90's...


Yes, the name separates it from the other titles. It was the fourth installment of the series, but the sequels will be filed under that name in the future.

That works if you consider the early 2000's a part of the 90's since Jurassic Park 3 came out in 2001. Dude, the Turtles never left. They got real big in 1990 when the movie came out and they're still a hit with the kids. When I went Christmas shopping last year I saw a whole slew of new Turtle toys at Toys R Us. Not to mention the fact that they're still making movies. You do realize I'm 33, right? You're only around 5 years older than me. I never really watched the trutles, though. I preferred shows like The Real Ghost Busters, He-Man, Looney Tunes and Duck Tales.


...???... Yeah... Uhh...

...That doesn't make a lick of sense whatsoever...

How's Jurassic World any different from the other three aside from the name? It's still Jurassic Park. A continuation of a franchise from the, uh, you know... the 90's...


I'm almost 42 and I remember the cartoons growing up in the early 80's.

The biggest problem is that you always define decades based on "the spirit of" specific years that happened  to have merchandise and spin-offs in the coming years of products that peaked during that year, regardless of their popularity at the time.  It's pretty ridiculous to say Jurassic Park was not an important part of 1990s culture just because it doesn't represent the spirit of 1990, a year which was still more dominated by trends popular in the 1980s than ones that would be truly popular during most of the 90s.  Actually, the novel that the film was originally based on was written in 1990, so technically the franchise was around during every year of the decade.  For most of the actual 2000s, on the other hand, Jurassic Park merchandise was pretty limited, especially after the home video release of Jurassic Park III.  Why does the release date of the final film in the franchise, which was nowhere near as successful as the first two, matter so much more than the movies that grossed far more at the box office and actually inspired the most products and rip-offs in deciding which decade the franchise is "for"?  It doesn't matter if products based on or inspired by Jurassic Park still technically existed during all of the 2000s, even if only through things like Internet fan fiction or DVD rereleases, I certainly wouldn't expect somebody to think of Jurassic Park when a year like 2007 is brought up, for example.

The Jurassic Park novel was originally published in November of 1990. Americans were not familiar with that title in the first months of 1990, so nothing about it screams "typically '90s" to the people who lived the '90s from beginning to end.

In fact, let's compare the franchise in the 90s versus the 2000s:

1990s:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/Jurassicpark.jpg

https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/142/MPW-71462

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/6/69/JP-VGArcade.png/revision/latest?cb=20090711091136

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Jurassic_Park_(Sega_game).jpg

http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/the-lost-world-jurassic-park-poster.jpg

2000s:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Jurassic_Park_III_poster.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tifBiMkTHo

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/61C9YFyYp0L._SS400_.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Universal_Studios_Theme_Parks_Adventure_Coverart.png

You tell me which decade produced the most relevant Jurassic Park media.

1999:

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Warpath Jurassic Park for the Sony Playstation

2000:

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Jurassic Park Collector's Edition VHS and DVD

2001:

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Jurassic Park 3

2002:

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Jurassic Park 3 action figures: Humans Series 2

2003:

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Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis

2004:

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Jurassic Park Dinosaurs action figures

2005:

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Jurassic Park Adventure Pack

2006:

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Jurassic Park coffee mug from from Universal Studios

2007:

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Jurassic Park Explorer DVD game

2008:

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Hot Wheels Jurassic Park Dinosaur Launcher

2009:

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Jurassic Park Battle Growlers

2010:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/5/5e/JURASSIC_PARK_REDEMPTION_01_cover.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100916213533

Jurassic Park comics from IDW



The first film was a pop culture phenomenon, but the fact remains that Sam Neil was last seen as Dr. Alan Grant in the 2001 American science fiction adventure film Jurassic Park 3.


First of all, you're acting as though Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was more popular in the mid and late 90s than it was in the late 80s.  There's a reason TMNT products stayed on the shelves in 1994-1998, even though they were still being made.  Second, isn't "third best selling" still pretty darn significant?  Just because 1990 was when the Turtles peaked doesn't mean that's when everybody was introduced to them.  You're contradicting yourself, anyway, by pretending the Turtles "weren't relevant enough" in 1989 to have defined that year, even though you're perfectly okay calling 1997 and 1998 TMNT years even though the original cartoon was over by then and only the sucky Next Mutation show remained.


"Third best selling" is not that significant when compared to the fact that Playmates Toys made over $200 million dollars in pretax profit one year later. The beginning of Turtlemania occurred shortly after the release of the first movie, not before then. If not for the shellheads of the '90s, the last variants of the toyline would have never been produced.

I'm almost 42 and I remember the cartoons growing up in the early 80's.


Masters of the Universe was one of the greatest 30 minute toy commercials, in my opinion.

The Jurassic Park novel was originally published in November of 1990. Americans were not familiar with that title in the first months of 1990, so nothing about it screams "typically '90s" to the people who lived the '90s from beginning to end.

Most people don't describe decades based on what existed at the very beginning of the decade, especially considering a lot of it tends to already be quite popular, if not in its peak during the several years preceding the year.  It still came out in 1990, so surely it has to represent your "spirit of 1990" definition for the decade to some degree, am I right?  Besides, weren't you the one who stated that the first few months of 1990 were very different from the later ones, in that the lingering 1978 culture disappeared and the year became purely 90s?  The Fresh Prince of Bell-Air and Tiny Toons Adventures weren't around during the first few months of 1990, so does that make them 2000s shows?  Is Home Alone specifically a 2000s thing, in which case the entire line of movies and rip-off films was all just building up to Home Alone 4?

1999:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Warpath_Jurassic_Park.jpg

Warpath Jurassic Park for the Sony Playstation

2000:

http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/makDqi7ErtloB7sCGBlcANA.jpg

Jurassic Park Collector's Edition VHS and DVD

2001:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/8/8c/Jurassic_Park_III_Poster.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140116192050

Jurassic Park 3

2002:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6LIas3WJ0wo/maxresdefault.jpg

Jurassic Park 3 action figures: Humans Series 2

2003:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/Jurassic_Park_Operation_Genesis_Cover.jpg/256px-Jurassic_Park_Operation_Genesis_Cover.jpg

Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis

2004:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/d/d5/Raptortrooper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150724044404

Jurassic Park Dinosaurs action figures

2005:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Jtpxo%2BG%2BL._SY300_.jpg

Jurassic Park Adventure Pack

2006:

http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/1AkAAOSwk1JWcHxZ/s-l225.jpg

Jurassic Park coffee mug from from Universal Studios

2007:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61C9YFyYp0L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Jurassic Park Explorer DVD game

2008:

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzg5WDE2MDA=/z/jtkAAOSwBLlVPSJ0/$_1.JPG

Hot Wheels Jurassic Park Dinosaur Launcher

2009:

http://www.actiontoys.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/JP09-1.jpg

Jurassic Park Battle Growlers

2010:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/5/5e/JURASSIC_PARK_REDEMPTION_01_cover.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100916213533

Jurassic Park comics from IDW



You're pretty good at digging up obscure toys.  My assumption is that, first of all, there were many more toys and other spin-offs in the 90s than the 2000s - the Universal Theme Park ride, mind you, originally opened in 1996, although I'm assuming you only count the Orlando counterpart because that opened in 1999.  But second, didn't you just admit that there were still Jurassic Park products in 2011-2014, before the release of Jurassic World?  How is the entirety of the 2000s so special, then?

The first film was a pop culture phenomenon, but the fact remains that Sam Neil was last seen as Dr. Alan Grant in the 2001 American science fiction adventure film Jurassic Park 3.

This statement says all I need to know about your logic.  Tell that to any casual person, and they'll probably laugh at your reasoning.

"Third best selling" is not that significant when compared to the fact that Playmates Toys made over $200 million dollars in pretax profit one year later. The beginning of Turtlemania occurred shortly after the release of the first movie, not before then. If not for the shellheads of the '90s, the last variants of the toyline would have never been produced.

Turtlemania was only a 1990 thing, according to you, though?  Even if the movies had never been made, my guess is that the 1987 cartoon would have still lasted well into the 90s and products would've continue to exist in some form through the entire decade.  Everything that Turtlemania did for the franchise in 1990 was undermined, anyway, when Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III alienated fans in 1993, during which shows like Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, Animaniacs, Batman: TAS, and Beavis & Butthead were becoming a far huger deal, anyway.  Like it or not, general audiences were first introduced to the Turtles in the late 80s with the premiere of the original cartoon, 1984, even, if they read the comics.

Unlike Jurassic World, I can definitely see why TheEarly90sGuy would divide Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles by generation (1987 cartoon/live action trilogy era, 2003 cartoon/2007 CGI film era, and 2012 cartoon/Michael Bay era).  The newer generation is very different from its predecessor, in this case.  However, the series was nowhere near as popular in the mid-90s and late 90s as it was in the late 80s and early 90s.  New films stopped coming out for a while after the failure of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III, and the original cartoon was canceled in 1996, despite the series finale clearly alluding to a new season.  The Next Mutation live action show aired during the 1997-1998 TV season but was pulled due to being a huge flop.  So, technically, this generation was around during the entire 90s period, at least as TheEarly90sGuy defines it, but it was only truly relevant during the decade's early years.  This is consistent with his idea that pop culture moved away from "the spirit of 1990" as the decade progressed, but I still wouldn't categorize the original show and live action films as having represented the entire decade, as opposed to both the late 80s and early 90s.


Diving it by generation makes sense but him acting like the Turtles were some huge cultural phenomenon throughout 1993-1999 makes no sense. I wonder if he thinks Betsy's Wedding is a 2000's movie because it was around from September 25th at 8:30:55 PM, 1999 (the true start of the 2000's) to October 13th 12:45:11 AM, 2011 (the end of the spirit of 1999). It wasn't around for the first few months of 1990 so it isn't a 90's movie. Just like Home Alone which is a 2000's movie because it was a build up to that episode of Malcolm in the Middle "Home Alone 4" but that episode of Malcolm in the Middle is actually a 2010's episode since it didn't exist for the entirety of the 2000's (September 25th at 8:30:55 PM, 1999 to October 13th 12:45:11 AM, 2011 just in case you're wondering. ;)).


I do not see how anyone could consider the early '00s a part of the 1990s. Jurassic Park 3 was a monster of a different type than Jurassic Park and The Lost World: Jurassic Park.


You just said eariler that Jurassic Park 3 was a part of the trilogy but Jurassic World is a "new chapter". Now you're contradicting yourself. I don't see how that movie would separate the early 00's from the 90's.

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Yes, the name separates it from the other titles. It was the fourth installment of the series, but the sequels will be filed under that name in the future.


I would love to see your face if they name the next movie "Jurassic Park 5".


Masters of the Universe was one of the greatest 30 minute toy commercials, in my opinion.


I thought the Transformers was your favorite 30 minute toy commercial since Optimus Prime is basically the figure head of the 90's (and not Kurt Cobain) since he was on shelves from 1990 to 1999 and then subsequently replaced with skinny jeans Emo albums (since the 2000's began in 1999)? Another contradiction!


I'm almost 42 and I remember the cartoons growing up in the early 80's.


I only remember things from the mid 80's onward.

Diving it by generation makes sense but him acting like the Turtles were some huge cultural phenomenon throughout 1993-1999 makes no sense. I wonder if he thinks Betsy's Wedding is a 2000's movie because it was around from September 25th at 8:30:55 PM, 1999 (the true start of the 2000's) to October 13th 12:45:11 AM (the end of the spirit of 1999). It wasn't around for the first few months of 1990 so it isn't a 90's movie. Just like Home Alone which is a 2000's movie because it was a build up to that episode of Malcolm in the Middle "Home Alone 4" but that episode of Malcolm in the Middle is actually a 2010's episode since it didn't exist for the entirety of the 2000's (September 25th at 8:30:55 PM, 1999 to October 13th 12:45:11 AM just in case you're wondering. ;)).

I never said the Turtles were cultural phenomenon from 1993 to 1999. Home Alone 4: Taking Back the House was originally released on ABC in November of 2002. The first three movies were tied to the fourth installment of the film series, but the original picture is one of the most loved Christmas movies of all time.

You just said eariler that Jurassic Park 3 was a part of the trilogy but Jurassic World is a "new chapter". Now you're contradicting yourself. I don't see how that movie would separate the early 00's from the 90's.

Jurassic Park 3 was the only film in the franchise that was not directed by Steven Spielberg. The films were only bursting into multiplexes for the first time in the '90s; by the year 2001, the general public had a deeper appreciation for the first film. 


I would love to see your face if they name the next movie "Jurassic Park 5".

Jurassic World 2 has been confirmed for a 2018 release since last summer, Jordan.

I thought the Transformers was your favorite 30 minute toy commercial since Optimus Prime is basically the figure head of the 90's (and not Kurt Cobain) since he was on shelf's from 1990 to 1999 and then subsequently replaced with skinny jeans Emo albums (since the 2000's began in 1999)? Another contradiction!


Transformers the Movie was better than any episode of Masters of the Universe, but I did not like the writing for most episodes of the Transformers series. 

I never said the Turtles were cultural phenomenon from 1993 to 1999. Home Alone 4: Taking Back the House was originally released on ABC in November of 2002. The first three movies were tied to the fourth installment of the film series, but the original picture is one of the most loved Christmas movies of all time.


You're right. You said from 1993 to 1998 'cause 1998 and 1999 are so different. Home Alone 4 is also an episode of Malcolm in the Middle released in 2000. This does more for my point of 2000-2002 being a part of the 90's than yours about the spirit of 1990 (which ended in 1993 if anything). Actually, with this, I could say the spirit of 1990 lasted until 2003. 2002 is the last year of a Home Alone movie and Home Alone is the spirit of 1990.


Jurassic Park 3 was the only film in the franchise that was not directed by Steven Spielberg. The films were only bursting into multiplexes for the first time in the '90s; by the year 2001, the general public had a deeper appreciation for the first film. 


I'm pretty sure we all appreciated the film during 1993, too. It was seen as a classic as soon as it hit theaters.


Jurassic World 2 has been confirmed for a 2018 release since last summer, Jordan.


Ah, f*ck! Maybe a Jurassic Park 6 will happen. If Rambo has taught me anything, it's that you never know what they'll name their movies next!


Transformers the Movie was better than any episode of Masters of the Universe, but I did not like the writing for most episodes of the Transformers series. 


But Optimus Prime is still more culturally relevant to the 90's than Kurt Cobain ever was. Optimus Prime represents Generation X in every way. 

You're right. You said from 1993 to 1998 'cause 1998 and 1999 are so different. Home Alone 4 is also an episode of Malcolm in the Middle released in 2000. This does more for my point of 2000-2002 be a part of the 90's than yours about the spirit of 1990 (which ended in 1993 if anything). Actually, with this, I could say the spirit of 1990 lasted until 2003. 2002 is the last year of a Home Alone movie and Home Alone is the spirit of 1990.

The first installment of the Home Alone movie series was only introduced in November of 1990. It was a new comedy to us at the time. Nothing about it was '90s about it like a bad sequel to a film from the '80s. A new Home Alone flick was not in theaters or on video rental store shelves for every year of the 1990s.


I'm pretty sure we all appreciated the film during 1993, too. It was seen as a classic as soon as it hit theaters.

How could it be seen as a classic when it hit theaters? It was not referenced in TV shows until after August of '93.

Ah, f*ck! Maybe a Jurassic Park 6 will happen. If Rambo has taught me anything, it's that you never know what they'll name their movies next!

A Jurassic Park 6 could be in store for the future. You never know. As of right now, it looks like the film will be produced under the title Jurassic World 3.

But Optimus Prime is still more culturally relevant to the 90's than Kurt Cobain ever was. Optimus Prime represents Generation X in every way.


I fell off my chair after reading that. Optimus Prime was culturally relevant from 1985 to 1987, but he has received the largest amount of toys since '84. I'm sorry to say it, but Transformers action figures did first warm toy shelves in the 1990s. So, they were a part of the '90s atmosphere rather you choose to accept that truth or not. The toys were just not as much fun the second time around.

The first installment of the Home Alone movie series was only introduced in November of 1990. It was a new comedy to us at the time. Nothing about it was '90s about it like a bad sequel to a film from the '80s. A new Home Alone flick was not in theaters or on video rental store shelves for every year of the 1990s.


Why it's so important that a thing has to exist from January 1990 to December 1999 (or whatever you think 1998/1999) to be a part of that decade's culture? Most of these things stop being relevant after a year or two.


How could it be seen as a classic when it hit theaters? It was not referenced in TV shows until after August of '93.


So, it needs to be referenced in TV shows to be seen as a classic? The movie was universally successful and loved by all people. We all knew it was going to be a classic.


I fell off my chair after reading that. Optimus Prime was culturally relevant from 1985 to 1987, but he has received the largest amount of toys since '84. I'm sorry to say it, but Transformers action figures did first warm toy shelves in the 1990s. So, they were a part of the '90s atmosphere rather you choose to accept that truth or not. The toys were just not as much fun the second time around.


But my 90's atmosphere wasn't defined by what toys were on the shelves of Toys R Us stores.

Also, the toys stopped being fun 'cuz we got older, dude... :-\\

I only remember things from the mid 80's onward.

How good is your memory?

I do not see how anyone could consider the early '00s a part of the 1990s. Jurassic Park 3 was a monster of a different type than Jurassic Park and The Lost World: Jurassic Park.


We're not saying that the early 2000s are part of the 90s. Culturally, it can be, but not chronologically. Also, Jurassic Park III still had dinosaurs.

How good is your memory?


Really good. I can remember things solidly from 2 onward.


We're not saying that the early 2000s are part of the 90s. Culturally, it can be, but not chronologically. Also, Jurassic Park III still had dinosaurs.



Well... I mean... I kinda am...

Well... I mean... I kinda am...


That post wasn't really meant for you.

That post wasn't really meant for you.


You said "we" so I just wanted to point out that grouping the early 00's with the 90's was the intention of my argument.

Why it's so important that a thing has to exist from January 1990 to December 1999 (or whatever you think 1998/1999) to be a part of that decade's culture? Most of these things stop being relevant after a year or two.

What else could thought of as being "'90s" than something that was around for each year of that time?

The release of movies like Home Alone and Jurassic Park were only events that happened in the 1990s.

Take a look at this picture for a minute:

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This photo of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson has been described as "so '90s" by Huffing-ton Post because almost everyone and their mothers were wearing fanny packs at some point in the 1990s.

My peers were already wearing fanny packs by the summer of 1989, but they caught on with mainstream America in '90. So, to this very day, fanny packs are thought of as one of the biggest fashion trends of the '90s.

So, it needs to be referenced in TV shows to be seen as a classic? The movie was universally successful and loved by all people. We all knew it was going to be a classic.

Yes, it was universally successful and loved by all people shortly after the movie was in theaters. Before then, people were only getting ready to a best selling book-to-movie adaption.

The film was officially classic by year 2005 when the Cold Case episode "Wishing" aired on TV.

But my 90's atmosphere wasn't defined by what toys were on the shelves of Toys R Us stores.


Well, other people do have memories from the '90s that consist of Transformers action figures, Jordan:

http://www.transformerland.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=580&p=4251

What else could thought of as being "'90s" than something that was around for each year of that time?


Stuff that actually defined the culture of the time? The absolute 90's lasted from March 8th, 1993 to November 28th, 1997 and the leftovers took place during the 90's sub-era from 1998-2003.


The release of movies like Home Alone and Jurassic Park were only events that happened in the 1990s.


That would make them things of the 90's, not the 2000's. Home Alone only felt like an 80's movie and it had only defined the early 90's while Jurassic Park defined the real 90's.


My peers were already wearing fanny packs by the summer of 1989, but they caught on with mainstream America in '90. So, to this very day, fanny packs are thought of as one of the biggest fashion trends of the '90s.


Does this mean Betsy's Wedding is a 2000's movie? It wasn't on the shelves from January 1990 to December 1999.


Yes, it was universally successful and loved by all people shortly after the movie was in theaters. Before then, people were only getting ready to a best selling book-to-movie adaption.

The film was officially classic by year 2005 when the Cold Case episode "Wishing" aired on TV.


It's like how right after Lord of the Rings came out, they were already being defined as classics. People loved Jurassic Park.

That's awfully arbitrary, isn't it?


Well, other people do have memories from the '90s that consist of Transformers action figures, Jordan:

http://www.transformerland.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=580&p=4251


People also have memories of the 2000's that consist of Transformers action figures. Still wasn't as big as it was in the 80's. 

This photo of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson has been described as "so '90s" by Huffing-ton Post because almost everyone and their mothers were wearing fanny packs at some point in the 1990s.


fanny packs were the style back then.

This movie came out.

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fanny packs were the style back then.


From the 80's 'til about 1994. Maybe 1995. From 1996 onward, like most mid 90's fashions, they started to loose steam.


This movie came out.

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Yeah!! That had The Ramones on the soundtrack! :D

Stuff that actually defined the culture of the time?

So, Roseanne does not define the '90s because it premiered in 1988?

That would make them things of the 90's, not the 2000's. Home Alone only felt like an 80's movie and it had only defined the early 90's while Jurassic Park defined the real 90's.

Okay, Macaulay Culkin was the biggest child star in the world from December of 1990 to sometime in 1993 because of his role as Kevin in the first film. The movie still only new to theaters in 1990. There was not any anticipation for the film then like there was for Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Home Alone was in the vein of pictures like The Goonies and The Monster Squad, making it more of a '90s movie than a '00s one, but moviegoers were not familiar with the characters before November of '90. So, technically, Home Alone and Jurassic Park were movie franchises that started in the '90s. The background culture of '00s (stuff that was not relevant then] consisted of the last Home Alone and Jurassic Park film.

As hard as it is to believe, Jurassic Park 3 still has a higher domestic gross than A Beautiful Mind.


Does this mean Betsy's Wedding is a 2000's movie? It wasn't on the shelves from January 1990 to December 1999.

No, Betsy's Wedding is a lesser known '90s movie. It best remembered as the film Molly Ringwald did over Ghost. Although, there were an awful lot of wedding comedy films in the 2000s. Runaway Bride and My Big Fat Greek Wedding certainly did come to mind when I said that.


It's like how right after Lord of the Rings came out, they were already being defined as classics. People loved Jurassic Park.

The films do not become classics until after people formed an opinion about them over a period of time. People had a much deeper appreciation for the film in the 2000s than they ever did in the '90s. By 2005, there was more than enough time to compare the first one to The Lost World and Jurassic Park 3 and point out the significance to it over the other pictures.


People also have memories of the 2000's that consist of Transformers action figures. Still wasn't as big as it was in the 80's.


The heyday for the toyline was from the fall of 1984 to 1987. Transformers were on toy shelves for every year of the 1990s, nonetheless. If a toy collector was blindfolded and transported to a Kay Bee Toys in the spring of 1990, after asking to revisit any year of the '90s, Transformers Micromasters would be one of the lines he or she would see there. Now, if they were given the chance to go back to a toy store in any year of the '80s…different story.

So, Roseanne does not define the '90s because it premiered in 1988?


Show got more and more 90's by 1993/1994. Does Nevermind not define the 90's because it came out in 1991? What about Dookie and Smash from 1994?


Okay, Macaulay Culkin was the biggest child star in the world from December of 1990 to sometime in 1993 because of his role as Kevin in the first film. The movie still only new to theaters in 1990. There was not any anticipation for the film then like there was for Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Home Alone was in the vein of pictures like The Goonies and The Monster Squad, making it more of a '90s movie than a '00s one, but moviegoers were not familiar with the characters before November of '90. So, technically, Home Alone and Jurassic Park were movie franchises that started in the '90s. The background culture of '00s (stuff that was not relevant then] consisted of the last Home Alone and Jurassic Park film.


Yes. Home Alone is a 90's movie, not a 00's movie. Same with Jurassic Park. These are phenomenons of the 90's, not the 2000's.


As hard as it is to believe, Jurassic Park 3 still has a higher domestic gross than A Beautiful Mind.


Wasn't higher than Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Sherk and Monster's Inc.


No, Betsy's Wedding is a lesser known '90s movie. It best remembered as the film Molly Ringwald did over Ghost. Although, there were an awful lot of wedding comedy films in the 2000s. Runaway Bride and My Big Fat Greek Wedding certainly did come to mind when I said that.


But the VHS for that movie wasn't on the shelves of Blockbuster's everywhere from January 1st, 1990 to December 31st, 1999! How would it be a 90's movie?? Yes, all those movies suck real bad, too. Wedding Crashers also sucks.


The films do not become classics until after people formed an opinion about them over a period of time. People had a much deeper appreciation for the film in the 2000s than they ever did in the '90s. By 2005, there was more than enough time to compare the first one to The Lost World and Jurassic Park 3 and point out the significance to it over the other pictures.


That's subjective and either based off of your personal experience or some conjecture you made up. I know people who considered the movie a classic right after seeing it in 1993, in like, 1993.


The heyday for the toyline was from the fall of 1984 to 1987. Transformers were on toy shelves for every year of the 1990s, nonetheless. If a toy collector was blindfolded and transported to a Kay Bee Toys in the spring of 1990, after asking to revisit any year of the '90s, Transformers Micromasters would be one of the lines he or she would see there. Now, if they were given the chance to go back to a toy store in any year of the '80s…different story.


What do Micromasters have to do with this? They were first released in 1989. Transformers toys were on shelves of Toys R Us stores everywhere around the whole big wide world for every year of the 2000's, too. Honestly, Transfromers haven't stopped being relevant.

This movie came out.

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I saw that video, quite scary.  :o

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This horror film also came out in 1989.

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This horror film also came out in 1989.


I remember that movie being pretty awful.

I remember that movie being pretty awful.


Why was it awful? ???

Why was it awful? ???


I remember it being really bland and generic. 8-P

Show got more and more 90's by 1993/1994.

Exactly. Roseanne was a '90s sitcom that began in the late '80s.

Does Nevermind not define the 90's because it came out in 1991? What about Dookie and Smash from 1994?

Nirvana was a '90s band, so their landmark album definitely qualifies as '90s music album. For me, every song off Dookie is incoming '00s stuff since Green Day was one of the best rock bands of the 2000s. As for Smash, I would classify that under '90s punk rock.

Yes. Home Alone is a 90's movie, not a 00's movie. Same with Jurassic Park. These are phenomenons of the 90's, not the 2000's.

Those feature films made their debuts in the '90s, but their pointless sequels were first shown in the 2000s. There.

But the VHS for that movie wasn't on the shelves of Blockbuster's everywhere from January 1st, 1990 to December 31st, 1999! How would it be a 90's movie??

Molly Ringwald was the main attraction of the film, at the time. "Brat Pack Lovers" were familiar with her before the first of January in 1990.

What do Micromasters have to do with this? They were first released in 1989.

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They were still on store shelves for each year of the early '90s.

Transformers toys were on shelves of Toys R Us stores everywhere around the whole big wide world for every year of the 2000's, too. Honestly, Transfromers haven't stopped being relevant.


The '90s were the first period when the figures were on toy store shelves for every year.

Exactly. Roseanne was a '90s sitcom that began in the late '80s.


From 1988 to 1992, it felt like an 80's show. From 1993 onward it felt like a proper 90's show.


Nirvana was a '90s band, so their landmark album definitely qualifies as '90s music album. For me, every song off Dookie is incoming '00s stuff since Green Day was one of the best rock bands of the 2000s. As for Smash, I would classify that under '90s punk rock.


So your logic only applies to certain things!? What about bands that started and broke up in the 90's? The only way Dookie is incoming 2000's culture is that it heavily influenced the early 00's style of (1996/1997) 1998-2003 but that's not even the real 2000's. If Green Day stayed in the their 1994-2002 era, they would of never broken through in 2004. They had to go through a huge sound and image change to stay relevant. The Offspring was actually bigger than Green Day was from 1998 to 2003 when they released Americana, Conspiracy and Splinter.


Those feature films made their debuts in the '90s, but their pointless sequels were first shown in the 2000s. There.


Pointless is right.


Molly Ringwald was the main attraction of the film, at the time. "Brat Pack Lovers" were familiar with her before the first of January in 1990.


But the film itself wasn't on shelves from January 1st, 1990 to December 31st, 1999!


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They were still on store shelves for each year of the early '90s.


http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9400000/Beavis-and-Butthead-Huh-Huh-Humbug-beavis-and-butthead-9406643-720-480.jpg

But not the entire 90's.


The '90s were the first period when the figures were on toy store shelves for every year.


But the 2000's were the second period.

From 1988 to 1992, it felt like an 80's show. From 1993 onward it felt like a proper 90's show.

I concur.

So your logic only applies to certain things!? What about bands that started and broke up in the 90's? The only way Dookie is incoming 2000's culture is that it heavily influenced the early 00's style of (1996/1997) 1998-2003 but that's not even the real 2000's. If Green Day stayed in the their 1994-2002 era, they would of never broken through in 2004. They had to go through a huge sound and image change to stay relevant. The Offspring was actually bigger than Green Day was from 1998 to 2003 when they released Americana, Conspiracy and Splinter.

I thought you were asking for my logic in your post.

Do you know of any groups who were active from 1990 to the end of the '90s?

Pointless is right.

To be fair, the titles are listed on Netflix as of now, so they are all but forgotten.

But the film itself wasn't on shelves from January 1st, 1990 to December 31st, 1999!

That's very true, but Molly Ringwald fans were expecting to see more movies with her in them after Strike It Rich was shown in theaters. The '90s were supposed to be her time.

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9400000/Beavis-and-Butthead-Huh-Huh-Humbug-beavis-and-butthead-9406643-720-480.jpg

But not the entire 90's.

I was making the point that Micromasters were on store shelves after the year they were released.

But the 2000's were the second period.


The first period is most important in relation to the launch date of the toy line.

Transformers enthusiasts may have picked up their first Optimus Prime in '84, but they remember hunting toy stores, in every year of the '90s, for different robots to add to their collections.

I thought you were asking for my logic in your post.

Do you know of any groups who were active from 1990 to the end of the '90s?


I was but it doesn't make sense. I thought things, in order to be real 90's, had to exist from the very beginning of '90 to the very end of 99?

No, but I know bands that existed from one point in time during the 90's and ended during the 90's and who's albums haven't been in print since 1996 or 1997.


To be fair, the titles are listed on Netflix as of now, so they are all but forgotten.


Yeah, but who wants to watch those anyway??


That's very true, but Molly Ringwald fans were expecting to see more movies with her in them after Strike It Rich was shown in theaters. The '90s were supposed to be her time.


But Strike It Rich wasn't even a movie that stood out! I don't think anyone sees the 90's as Molly Ringwald's time or what was supposed to be her time.


I was making the point that Micromasters were on store shelves after the year they were released.

The first period is most important in relation to the launch date of the toy line.

Transformers enthusiasts may have picked up their first Optimus Prime in '84, but they remember hunting toy stores, in every year of the '90s, for different robots to add to their collections.
 

How is it more important? Wouldn't when the toys were actually relevant be more important!?

Did they stop in the 2000's?

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This comedy film came out in 1989.

Yeah, it did feel different from the rest of the '80s. I consider it the true beginning of the '90s (in terms of music). Eternal Flame, Buffalo Stance, I'm That Type of Guy, Keep On Movin', Back to Life, Right Here Waiting, Pump Up the Jam, Second Chance, Miss You Like Crazy, I Feel the Earth Move, Alright; these songs and so many other hits sound like they would fit in better with the core '90s than with the core '80s.

1989 was probably the best year of the '80s.

the 80s were already winding down by 89. its just so happened that the transition of culture and the changing of the decade coincided.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M2NT5B5RL.jpg

This comedy film came out in 1989.

Yes, and it was Weird Al's first feature film. In addition, he wrote and performed all the music from the soundtrack; it comprised his sixth studio album.

I do see some 1988 movies where there are small glints of a 90's feel. So I never saw 1988 or 1989 as the peak of the 1980's, obviously.

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Rap albums of 1989

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Rap albums of 1989


The Chronic?  That wasn't until three years later.  N.W.A. was still together in 1989.

I was but it doesn't make sense. I thought things, in order to be real 90's, had to exist from the very beginning of '90 to the very end of 99?

I thought it was self-explanatory and thorough.

I don't think anyone sees the 90's as Molly Ringwald's time or what was supposed to be her time.

Molly, herself, did not know she was going to star in so many box office failures throughout the 1990s in the year 1989.

 
How is it more important?

The '90s were the first full decade for Transformers action figures.

Wouldn't when the toys were actually relevant be more important!?

No, the toys were relevant from the fall of '84 to sometime in 1987. That does not tell you much about the history of the toy-line.

Did they stop in the 2000's?


No, the toys are still being produced in this day and age. The G2 and Machine Wars lines of the '90s were closer in form to the G1 figures than anything from the Armada and Robots In Disguise assortments.

I thought it was self-explanatory and thorough.


It wasn't and doesn't make sense.


Molly, herself, did not know she was going to star in so many box office failures throughout the 1990s in the year 1989.


Yeah, she'd have to be psychic to know that one.


The '90s were the first full decade for Transformers action figures.



No, the toys were relevant from the fall of '84 to sometime in 1987. That does not tell you much about the history of the toy-line.


You just pointed out why it doesn't matter what full decade had what. They weren't relevant in the 90's.


No, the toys are still being produced in this day and age. The G2 and Machine Wars lines of the '90s were closer in form to the G1 figures than anything from the Armada and Robots In Disguise assortments.


But the 2000-2002 reissues! They are pretty close to G1.

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1989 technology

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1989 technology


I still have my Gameboy!

I still have my Gameboy!


After 27 years I still have my Gameboy, I just don't know how good it plays?

After 27 years I still have my Gameboy, I just don't know how good it plays?


I either use that one or the color. Both still work really well! :D

I either use that one or the color. Both still work really well! :D


I think it's from all that wear and tear, I might need some new fresh batteries.

I think it's from all that wear and tear, I might need some new fresh batteries.


Just make sure you change them regularly to prevent leakage. That's the worst and will kill your systems faster than anything.

I still have my Gameboy!

So do I, and it still works like a charm!

So do I, and it still works like a charm!


I don't have a smartphone so when I go out and wait, say, for the doctor in the waiting room I usually play Mario or Tetris on my Gameboy. I've had it for 26 years now and it's never failed me!

Just make sure you change them regularly to prevent leakage. That's the worst and will kill your systems faster than anything.



That's why I haven't played it in quite some time.

So do I, and it still works like a charm!


What games do you own?

I don't have a smartphone so when I go out and wait, say, for the doctor in the waiting room I usually play Mario or Tetris on my Gameboy. I've had it for 26 years now and it's never failed me!


and it still works without any problems?

It wasn't and doesn't make sense.

Well, I thought it did. Then again, no two of us are alike - even identical twins.

You just pointed out why it doesn't matter what full decade had what. They weren't relevant in the 90's.

Imagine a post-Millennial looking through a Transformers figure guide book. How could they not be curious as to what Transformers looked like in the following decade?

But the 2000-2002 reissues! They are pretty close to G1.


They were G1 reissues, but the commemorative series label is the major dividing factor between them and the originals.

Imagine a post-Millennial looking through a Transformers figure guide book. How could they not be curious as to what Transformers looked like in the following decade?


Or unless he/she watched the Michael Bay movies.

and it still works without any problems?


Most definitely!


Well, I thought it did. Then again, no two of us are alike - even identical twins.


You are correct.


Imagine a post-Millennial looking through a Transformers figure guide book. How could they not be curious as to what Transformers looked like in the following decade?


I dunno what goes on in the head of a Post-Millennial going through a book of the transformers.


They were G1 reissues, but the commemorative series label is the major dividing factor between them and the originals.


Closer to G1 than anything else, though.

Most definitely!

You are correct.

I dunno what goes on in the head of a Post-Millennial going through a book of the transformers.

Closer to G1 than anything else, though.


most of the games do work but the square screen comes off sometimes.

http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=1989

Here are the top hits from 1989.

most of the games do work but the square screen comes off sometimes.


Mine doesn't do that. Still stays on as it did way back in the day. ;D

I don't have a smartphone so when I go out and wait, say, for the doctor in the waiting room I usually play Mario or Tetris on my Gameboy. I've had it for 26 years now and it's never failed me!

I got mine as a birthday gift in '91, so mine will be 25 years this summer. Of course, the first few years I had it I played with it regularly. On occasion, after several years of not using it, I have periodically put in some new batteries and played one of my games on it, usually Mario or Tetris. I also have a 'Home Alone' game which I used to be not-so-good at, but after watching a playthrough on Youtube, I've wanted to go back and try it. Just haven't gotten around to doing so yet.

What games do you own?

Tetris
Super Mario Land
Dr Mario
Home Alone
Berlitz French Translator

I got mine as a birthday gift in '91, so mine will be 25 years this summer. Of course, the first few years I had it I played with it regularly. On occasion, after several years of not using it, I have periodically put in some new batteries and played one of my games on it, usually Mario or Tetris. I also have a 'Home Alone' game which I used to be not-so-good at, but after watching a playthrough on Youtube, I've wanted to go back and try it. Just haven't gotten around to doing so yet.


I don't think I ever stopped playing mine regularly. Even when I got my Game Boy Color in 1998 I'd still play my original quite often. Even today, I took mine out and played it just because of all this Game Boy talk. ;D Played some good ol' Super Mario Land, Tetris and Donkey Kong.

Yes it did.

I don't think I ever stopped playing mine regularly. Even when I got my Game Boy Color in 1998 I'd still play my original quite often. Even today, I took mine out and played it just because of all this Game Boy talk. ;D Played some good ol' Super Mario Land, Tetris and Donkey Kong.

I never got GB Color. Just the basic, original GB.

I mentioned in my above posting that I have Super Mario Land; I didn't get very far on it personally.

I never got GB Color. Just the basic, original GB.

I mentioned in my above posting that I have Super Mario Land; I didn't get very far on it personally.


Both of them were pretty cool!

Haha, you've gotta play it all in one go because there's no save option. ;D

Both of them were pretty cool!

Haha, you've gotta play it all in one go because there's no save option. ;D

That's true about every GB game. I beat the first boss but stumbled in the second stage of the second level. However, recently I watched a playthrough of it on Youtube to get some advice on how to get past certain points.

That's true about every GB game. I beat the first boss but stumbled in the second stage of the second level. However, recently I watched a playthrough of it on Youtube to get some advice on how to get past certain points.


I know exactly what you're talking about. Man, what a pain! Those playthroughts are pretty helpful. Thanks to the net, I've beaten more games than I did 15/16 years go.

I know exactly what you're talking about. Man, what a pain! Those playthroughts are pretty helpful. Thanks to the net, I've beaten more games than I did 15/16 years go.


Yeah, here's a playthrough of Super Mario Land, which someone uploaded 7 1/2 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0qJd-phvQ

It's 32 minutes long, but it'll be worth it to watch.

Yeah, here's a playthrough of Super Mario Land, which someone uploaded 7 1/2 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0qJd-phvQ

It's 32 minutes long, but it'll be worth it to watch.


Totally perfect! Thanks, dude! ;D

Now I can finish this game!

Mine doesn't do that. Still stays on as it did way back in the day. ;D


I've used mine a lot 20-25 years ago way before I owned a PS3.

Tetris
Super Mario Land
Dr Mario
Home Alone
Berlitz French Translator


I own:
Qix
Pit Fighter
Muhammed Ali
WWF Superstars
Personal Organizer
Monday Night RAW
King Of The Ring
HAL Wrestling
George Foreman
Operation C
WCW

I don't think I ever stopped playing mine regularly. Even when I got my Game Boy Color in 1998 I'd still play my original quite often. Even today, I took mine out and played it just because of all this Game Boy talk. ;D Played some good ol' Super Mario Land, Tetris and Donkey Kong.


I just let mine collect dust.

I just let mine collect dust.

Mine didn't, because I have a protective case for it.

I've used mine a lot 20-25 years ago way before I owned a PS3.


The PS2 is the superior system. ;D


I just let mine collect dust.


:o


Mine didn't, because I have a protective case for it.


This is a smart idea.

The PS2 is the superior system. ;D

:o

This is a smart idea.


The PS3 is superior. :P

The PS3 is superior. :P


The PS4 is superior.  8)

You're both wrong! The PS2 is the greatest video game system to ever grace this planet! :D No system is better than the PS2! Only the PS1 comes close.

You're both wrong! The PS2 is the greatest video game system to ever grace this planet! :D No system is better than the PS2! Only the PS1 comes close.


So, you think a video game console which uses DVDs is the greatest? Hypocrite.

So, you think a video game console which uses DVDs is the greatest? Hypocrite.


No, I don't care about it's DVD features. I care about the games.

No, I don't care about it's DVD features. I care about the games.


They can easily break though. Since they're DVDs.

They can easily break though. Since they're DVDs.


These are the risks you have to take when playing the mighty PS2 games.

They can easily break though. Since they're DVDs.


The PS2 disc readers actually used to break all the time. The PS2 was the Xbox 360 of 6th Gen in terms of reliability.

The PS2 disc readers actually used to break all the time. The PS2 was the Xbox 360 of 6th Gen in terms of reliability.


This is sadly true. The PS2 was so good, though! I didn't care if the readers would break because of it's amazing games.

The PS2 disc readers actually used to break all the time. The PS2 was the Xbox 360 of 6th Gen in terms of reliability.


See, Jordan. Even 2001 agrees with me.  8)

See, Jordan. Even 2001 agrees with me.  8)


Uh, he said that the PS2 DVD reader would break. We both agreed with that. :P

This is sadly true. The PS2 was so good, though! I didn't care if the readers would break because of it's amazing games.


It used to matter to me when I had no source of income  ;D

But true dat, the PS2 is amazing I even bought two  8)

See, Jordan. Even 2001 agrees with me.  8)


I thought you were being facetious  ;D

It used to matter to me when I had no source of income  ;D

But true dat, the PS2 is amazing I even bought two  8)


Haha, that is so true, isn't it?

It was truly amazing. Mine didn't break, but if it did, I'd buy it again!

I thought you were being facetious  ;D


What? Since when was I using inappropriate humor during this debate?

The PS4 is superior.  8)


The PS3 has what I want. Netflix, Hulu, YouTube and browsing through the internet just to name a few.

You're both wrong! The PS2 is the greatest video game system to ever grace this planet! :D No system is better than the PS2! Only the PS1 comes close.


The PS2 to me after a while became a piece of crap. :P

So, you think a video game console which uses DVDs is the greatest? Hypocrite.


I can watch Netflix and Hulu on mine.

The PS2 disc readers actually used to break all the time. The PS2 was the Xbox 360 of 6th Gen in terms of reliability.


and thus to me it became crap.

The PS2 to me after a while became a piece of crap. :P


Howard! How could you! The PS2 is amazing! :o

The PS4 is superior.  8)

GTFO! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

See, Jordan. Even 2001 agrees with me.  8)

In terms of games in general the PS2 is still the best game console ever! The backwards compatibility also helped!

You're both wrong! The PS2 is the greatest video game system to ever grace this planet! :D No system is better than the PS2! Only the PS1 comes close.

Agreed! Except the N64 was better than PS1 imo! ;) 8) 

They can easily break though. Since they're DVDs.

Mine never broke! ::)

The PS3 has what I want. Netflix, Hulu, YouTube and browsing through the internet just to name a few.

You're never going to get a PS4? ???

Agreed! Except the N64 was better than PS1 imo! ;) 8)


I always thought the PS1 was superior but the N64 does come close. It too is a mighty system!

I always thought the PS1 was superior but the N64 does come close. It too is a mighty system!

IMO, from the systems I played
1.PS2
2.N64
3.PS3
4.XBOX 360
5.PS1
6.Sega Genesis
7.Sega Dreamcast
8.XBOX
9.PS4
10.Wii

IMO, from the systems I played
1.PS2
2.N64
3.PS3
4.XBOX 360
5.PS1
6.Sega Genesis
7.Sega Dreamcast
8.XBOX
9.PS4
10.Wii


You win just for putting PS2 at number 1! ;D

For me:

1. PS2
2. PS1
3. N64
4. Gamecube/Xbox (both felt equally good to me)
5. Dreamcast
6. SNES
7. NES
8. PS3
9. Xbox 360 (played it once or twice and didn't like it)
10. Wii
..........
107. Sega Saturn (the worst)

You win just for putting PS2 at number 1! ;D

For me:

1. PS2
2. PS1
3. N64
4. Gamecube/Xbox (both felt equally good to me)
5. Dreamcast
6. SNES
7. NES
8. PS3
9. Xbox 360 (played it once or twice and didn't like it)
10. Wii
..........
107. Sega Saturn (the worst)


Dreamcast was actually better than the original XBOX, in terms of exclusives that is. Aside from Halo 1 and 2, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, Battlefront, and sports games; XBOX was just a good little console. PS2, Gamecube, and Dreamcast were superior. And the Dreamcast's exclusives were THE sheesh!

Dreamcast was actually better than the original XBOX, in terms of exclusives that is. Aside from Halo 1 and 2, Ninja Gaiden, Fable, Battlefront, and sports games; XBOX was just a good little console. PS2, Gamecube, and Dreamcast were superior. And the Dreamcast's exclusives were THE sheesh!


I don't know if I'd say it was better but the Dreamcast is definitely an amazing console. Namely games like SA1 and 2, Crazy Taxi, Soul Caliber and Jet Set Radio. Those games are still rad!

Howard! How could you! The PS2 is amazing! :o


Yeah, the DBZ Budokai, Jak and Daxter, Kingdom Hearts, the list goes on!

Yeah, the DBZ Budokai, Jak and Daxter, Kingdom Hearts, the list goes on!


Ratchet and Clank is another rad game!

GTFO! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Nah. I never really liked the PS4 anyway. I just said that for jokes. I like the PS2/PS3 better.

You win just for putting PS2 at number 1! ;D

For me:

1. PS2
2. PS1
3. N64
4. Gamecube/Xbox (both felt equally good to me)
5. Dreamcast
6. SNES
7. NES
8. PS3
9. Xbox 360 (played it once or twice and didn't like it)
10. Wii
..........
107. Sega Saturn (the worst)


I changed mine lol
1.PS2
2.N64
3.PS3
4.XBOX 360
5.PS1
6.Sega Genesis
7.Sega Dreamcast
8.XBOX
9.Gamecube
10.Wii

Howard! How could you! The PS2 is amazing! :o


I kept tripping over the console most of the times, it was so skinny.

Mine never broke! ::)


mine almost came close to being broken.

You're never going to get a PS4? ???


maybe in the future, I'm not sure yet, I'm still enjoying my PS3 for the time being.

IMO, from the systems I played
1.PS2
2.N64
3.PS3
4.XBOX 360
5.PS1
6.Sega Genesis
7.Sega Dreamcast
8.XBOX
9.PS4
10.Wii


Atari 2600
Nintendo Entertainment System
Vectrex
PS2
PS3
Gameboy

I kept tripping over the console most of the times, it was so skinny.


I got the original fatty from 2000. See? Even thing before 2004 was better. That's when the slim came out! ;D

I got the original fatty from 2000. See? Even thing before 2004 was better. That's when the slim came out! ;D


I had the skinny PS2 and the only things I liked was that it could play DVDs and music.

I had the skinny PS2 and the only things I liked was that it could play DVDs and music.


Exactly. Skinny PS2 came out in 2004. Nothing good can come out of things after 2003!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Fatty'z da raddest of the rad, homie.

Exactly. Skinny PS2 came out in 2004. Nothing good can come out of things after 2003!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Fatty'z da raddest of the rad, homie.


and that's why I traded in my PS2 for a PS3 upgrade.

and that's why I traded in my PS2 for a PS3 upgrade.


You should of upgraded the slim PS2 for da mad fatty PS2.

You should of upgraded the slim PS2 for da mad fatty PS2.


The PS2 didn't have what I wanted including apps that you can download for free such as Netflix, Hulu and Crackle.

Well, the Sega Genesis had been released a year prior. It wouldn't be a year before Nintendo released their version, and two years before Sega introduced their competitor to Mario...Sonic! :D
And not really...the only thing I know about 1989 is that it had CRAZY dance-pop singles, which would be continued to be released in 1990. I think Todd in the Shadows reviewed one, by, IIRC, Dee Lite.

Well, the Sega Genesis had been released a year prior. It wouldn't be a year before Nintendo released their version, and two years before Sega introduced their competitor to Mario...Sonic! :D
And not really...the only thing I know about 1989 is that it had CRAZY dance-pop singles, which would be continued to be released in 1990. I think Todd in the Shadows reviewed one, by, IIRC, Dee Lite.


If you meant the Japanese versions, the Mega Drive was released in 1988, while the Super Famicom was released in 1990. So, it would've been two years before the Super Famicom was released.

The PS2 didn't have what I wanted including apps that you can download for free such as Netflix, Hulu and Crackle.


But it had super rad games!

But it had super rad games!

Yup it had better GAMES, like a GAME SYSTEM is suppose to have! :)  Not a damn commercialized entertainment system! >:(

Yup it had better GAMES, like a GAME SYSTEM is suppose to have! :)  Not a damn commercialized entertainment system! >:(


Exactly! The PS2 had a glorious, magnificent and mighty game library! The PS3 is only shiny with a bunch of dumb applications.

The PS2:
http://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/canstock1123703.jpg

The PS3:
http://image2.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/compositions/20799461/views/1,width=235,height=235,appearanceId=1,backgroundColor=f9f9f9,version=1439462472/Steaming-Turd-Polo-Shirts.jpg

The only reason the Genesis was popular in the United States was because of its image - it basically targeted the "cool kids," who in America were pressured into being manly, even if there was little substance behind the product they bought.  The Genesis certainly looks edgier than the SNES, but it's otherwise inferior from a technological standpoint.  I don't even like the classic Sonic the Hedgehog games that much; they're ruined by all the obstacles that prevent dashing from being a good idea and are ultimately just standard platformers with a few gameplay gimmicks, but not nearly as diverse as Super Mario World.  It may have had a larger catalogue of more mature games than the SNES, but again, that's just feeding into the American gaming audience's thirst for grittiness rather than strategy, which was usually something to be found more on the SNES.

The Sega Genesis actually lost to the TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine in Japan.  Though part of the reasoning there was that the PC Engine arrived to the shelves as early as 1987, making it the only 16-bit rival (technically actually 8+8-bit, but still pretty much arcade-quality) to the then-four-year-old Famicom, an aggressive "Genesis Does What Nintendon't" or "Blast Processing" commercial probably wouldn't have resonated with Japanese gamers in the first place compared to a campaign that explicitly highlighted the technical advantages of the system versus Nintendo and NEC.  The TurboGrafx-16 and Sega Genesis both came out around the same time in America, which gave a lot of leverage to the superior marketeer, but by the time the Mega Drive was released in Japan in 1988, the PC Engine had already been out for almost a full year and had thus already secured the main foundation of the new console generation.  The Mega Drive thus wasn't this groundbreaking dark horse console upon its Japanese release like it would be in the United States.

Exactly! The PS2 had a glorious, magnificent and mighty game library! The PS3 is only shiny with a bunch of dumb applications.

The PS2:
http://cdn.xl.thumbs.canstockphoto.com/canstock1123703.jpg

The PS3:
http://image2.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/compositions/20799461/views/1,width=235,height=235,appearanceId=1,backgroundColor=f9f9f9,version=1439462472/Steaming-Turd-Polo-Shirts.jpg


This is my impression of the PS2:

http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2015/01/grinding.jpg
http://images.psxextreme.com/screenshots/ps2_gt_2000/ps2_gt_2000_231.jpg
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/655/655271/dance-dance-revolution-extreme-2-20051003075808970-000.jpg
http://www.dealspwn.com/writer/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jak_and_Daxter_-_The_precursor_lega.jpg
http://gimmegimmegames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/wallpaper-final-fantasy-x-tidus001-1024.jpg
http://www.upithq.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SSX-Tricky-Remake-2.png

This, on the other hand, is the PS3:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--rZ0hUJsf--/18j492vo7nv7zjpg.jpg
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/1840/236314-bioshock_water.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2874/10817126203_2354800bb2_o.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kjObGWEvCYA/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bnck2oXdxMo/maxresdefault.jpg
https://media.playstation.com/is/image/SCEA/bcus-98119-game-ss-16?$MediaCarousel_LargeImage$
http://images.pushsquare.com/screenshots/37726/large.jpg

Maybe I'm just being unfair, since there are other PS3 games besides the FPS's and cutscene-centered "interactive movies," but it just doesn't feel like there's the same level of significance for more eclectic and gender-neutral titles anymore like there was around the millennial era (BioShock is sort of an exception in the modern category, but it still blends in decently with other games of its kind in my opinion).  The XBOX 360 is even worse as far as variety goes.

This is my impression of the PS2:

http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2015/01/grinding.jpg
http://images.psxextreme.com/screenshots/ps2_gt_2000/ps2_gt_2000_231.jpg
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/655/655271/dance-dance-revolution-extreme-2-20051003075808970-000.jpg
http://www.dealspwn.com/writer/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jak_and_Daxter_-_The_precursor_lega.jpg
http://gimmegimmegames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/wallpaper-final-fantasy-x-tidus001-1024.jpg
http://www.upithq.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SSX-Tricky-Remake-2.png

This, on the other hand, is the PS3:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--rZ0hUJsf--/18j492vo7nv7zjpg.jpg
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/1840/236314-bioshock_water.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2874/10817126203_2354800bb2_o.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kjObGWEvCYA/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bnck2oXdxMo/maxresdefault.jpg
https://media.playstation.com/is/image/SCEA/bcus-98119-game-ss-16?$MediaCarousel_LargeImage$
http://images.pushsquare.com/screenshots/37726/large.jpg

Maybe I'm just being unfair, since there are other PS3 games besides the FPS's and cutscene-centered "interactive movies," but it just doesn't feel like there's the same level of significance for more eclectic and gender-neutral titles anymore like there was around the millennial era (BioShock is sort of an exception in the modern category, but it still blends in decently with other games of its kind in my opinion).  The XBOX 360 is even worse as far as variety goes.


You're right on the mark. That PS2 list is too rad for words. The sickest Tony Hawk games with a slammin' Pop Punk soundtrack? Yeah, everyone knows I'm da dude who's down wid that. Speedy racing and snowboarding games? Those games are sweet. Dance Dance? I loved making a fool out of myself with that game! Fantasy-adventure games like Final Fantasy and Jak and Daxter, were also really good. All the different dudes of the world can find something in the PS2 to enjoy. A mighty library, indeed.

The PS3/PS4? Laaaammmmeeee!!! It's all hyperrealism FPS bullsh!t for 12 year old mouth breathers. Those awful interactive games are crap, too. More homogenized 2010's garbage. 

But it had super rad games!


The only few games I liked was Strike Force Bowling and The Sims:

http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/0/4/8/58048_front.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5133QE45ECL.jpg

The only few games I liked was Strike Force Bowling and The Sims:

http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/0/4/8/58048_front.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5133QE45ECL.jpg


Sims is better for the PC, though.

Sims is better for the PC, though.


Did you play Strike Force Bowling? ???

Did you play Strike Force Bowling? ???


Yeah, it was slammin'! (Pun intended)

Sims was still much better for the PC. Sims 3 being the best one. I remember when the first one came out in 2000 and I'd make sims of douchebags I didn't like and try my best to get them killed. Man, what a good game.

Sims is better for the PC, though.


The Sims for PS2 was really fun multilayer. My brother always tried to flirt with me and get me into bed with him and I would just set up death traps for him so he would die.

The Sims for PS2 was really fun multilayer. My brother always tried to flirt with me and get me into bed with him and I would just set up death traps for him so he would die.


???

You kids did the weirdest sh!t, man...

Sims 2 had the better multiplayer on the PS2. I remember that weird mission where you were at that stupid restaurant with those douchebags. I turned on the radio and some weird screamy-type music (not real Screamo, though) came on and my wife (then girlfriend) came in and asked me if I was dying. I should look for that game to see if it holds up today.

???

You kids did the weirdest sh!t, man...

Sims 2 had the better multiplayer on the PS2. I remember that weird mission where you were at that stupid restaurant with those douchebags. I turned on the radio and some weird screamy-type music (not real Screamo, though) came on and my wife (then girlfriend) came in and asked me if I was dying. I should look for that game to see if it holds up today.


Oh yeah it was the Sims 2 lol. I remember getting abducted by the aliens mission.

The songs on the stereo were super catchy. I like the pop station, it had good bubblegum pop lol. 

Yeah, it was slammin'! (Pun intended)

Sims was still much better for the PC. Sims 3 being the best one. I remember when the first one came out in 2000 and I'd make sims of douchebags I didn't like and try my best to get them killed. Man, what a good game.


Sims 3 and 4 are such huge money grabs. I bought Sims 2 and most its expansion packs and then they make Sims 3 vanilla and expected us to buy all the expansion packs again  >:( It was like an early form of game-breaking DLC.

Oh yeah it was the Sims 2 lol. I remember getting abducted by the aliens mission.

The songs on the stereo were super catchy. I like the pop station, it had good bubblegum pop lol.


I remember those one's being real weird. It was worse on the PC 'cause when the aliens would get you, they'd impregnate you and your dude-man sims would be the ones having the kids. Ouch! I hated those restaurant douchebags the most. They pissed me off with their snobbishness. I remember there was also a surf house with a dumb surfer dude. He sucked, too. The only good character in the whole game was mine. His name was "Jordan" and he hated the (then current) mid 2000's so whenever I'd turn the radio on and a core 2000's sounding song came out, I'd make sure he'd turn it off right away and reminisce about the bygone times. He also kicked a lot of ass. This one time, a robber tried to steal his TV and he came out and kicked his ass no problem. He had maybe 5 or 6 girlfriends, too. That Jordan, he was a stud.

I'm watching some dude on Youtube play the game right now to see what it was like. I don't care about his bullsh!t commentary but the gameplay's good.

You know, to be honest, I don't really remember what songs were on the radio but I think I liked one or two. Must of been early 2000's songs. :P :P :P :P :P


Sims 3 and 4 are such huge money grabs. I bought Sims 2 and most its expansion packs and then they make Sims 3 vanilla and expected us to buy all the expansion packs again  >:( It was like an early form of game-breaking DLC.


Yeah, but at least Sims 3 had the cool map and everything! They may have been money grab's but they sure were rad. Sims 4 sucks sh!t more than anything! Have you played it? I am so glad I didn't spend money on that crap! It's more like Sims 1.5 than anything. >:( >:( >:(

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You kids did the weirdest sh!t, man...

Sims 2 had the better multiplayer on the PS2. I remember that weird mission where you were at that stupid restaurant with those douchebags. I turned on the radio and some weird screamy-type music (not real Screamo, though) came on and my wife (then girlfriend) came in and asked me if I was dying. I should look for that game to see if it holds up today.


Were you in that house with other people and you had to do other tasks in the house? ???

Were you in that house with other people and you had to do other tasks in the house? ???


Yes! That stupid missions sh!t! Lazy bastards!

The Sims for PS2 was really fun multilayer. My brother always tried to flirt with me and get me into bed with him and I would just set up death traps for him so he would die.


Lordy Jesus, I'm glad my cousins weren't like that! :o ;D

Yes! That stupid missions sh!t! Lazy bastards!


And you were able to create your own character?

And you were able to create your own character?


Sure could! My character was the baddest motherf*cker in the game. "Jordan" was his name. He had 6 girlfriends and kicked robber ass! He reminds me of someone but I'm not sure who.

Sure could! My character was the baddest motherf*cker in the game. "Jordan" was his name. He had 6 girlfriends and kicked robber ass! He reminds me of someone but I'm not sure who.


I created my own character myself but I forgot what he looked like.

I created my own character myself but I forgot what he looked like.


I remember how I tried to make my character look as 1995 as possible but since this game came out in 2004, all the choices were lame mid 00's clothing and not baggy enough. To chain wallets, either. Bummer, dude.

I remember how I tried to make my character look as 1995 as possible but since this game came out in 2004, all the choices were lame mid 00's clothing and not baggy enough. To chain wallets, either. Bummer, dude.


They don't give you much of a choice in that game.

They don't give you much of a choice in that game.


Terrible customization. You had to work with a lot of crap!

In the PC version at least, it seems like there are still a lot of 90s clothes and hairstyles to choose from.  The demo for The Sims 2 was already a bonus disc with The Sims Makin' Magic in 2003, so I guess bowl cuts, curtain hair, tube tops, baggy pants, etc. were still viable fashion options back when the programmers were producing the game.

In the PC version at least, it seems like there are still a lot of 90s clothes and hairstyles to choose from.  The demo for The Sims 2 was already a bonus disc with The Sims Makin' Magic in 2003, so I guess bowl cuts, curtain hair, tube tops, baggy pants, etc. were still viable fashion options back when the programmers were producing the game.


No, it's more that game developers don't typically pay too much attention to fashion. This was back when gamers were geeks, and the industry was just becoming mainstream. The developers don't really pay attention too much to what is cool in the fashion world, they usually just use their imagination.

In the PC version at least, it seems like there are still a lot of 90s clothes and hairstyles to choose from.  The demo for The Sims 2 was already a bonus disc with The Sims Makin' Magic in 2003, so I guess bowl cuts, curtain hair, tube tops, baggy pants, etc. were still viable fashion options back when the programmers were producing the game.


Yeah, those things were still pretty common to see in 2003 but the demo was a PC demo which had more variety. The PS2 Sims 2 had awful choices and no variety.

Yeah, those things were still pretty common to see in 2003 but the demo was a PC demo which had more variety. The PS2 Sims 2 had awful choices and no variety.


I definitely agree on that.

No, it's more that game developers don't typically pay too much attention to fashion. This was back when gamers were geeks, and the industry was just becoming mainstream. The developers don't really pay attention too much to what is cool in the fashion world, they usually just use their imagination.


The Sims 1 already sold like 16 million copies, with a majority of its customers being female and also a large amount of casuals.  The franchise was clearly an exception to the geek-centric nature of video games during most of the 2000s.

In my opinion 1982 - 1987 were the real eighties. Although the first changes started in late 1886, 1988 was the first year that it became obvious that pop culture was moving on, and by 1989 a new era was in full swing. 1989 - 1991/1992 were somewhat similar to the core eighties, but a lot more modern.