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Subject: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Now I know the whole "Best" and "Worst" thing has been done to death, but I'm not sure if this has been covered or not. Who are your choices for the best and worst singers of the 80's? Solo artists, lead singers in bands, whatever. Just going by vocal ability alone, despite the music they sing...who's got the best and worst voice? Who can sing and who can't? Choose...say...five for each. Here are my choices:
Best:
Martin L. Gore
Morrissey
Alison Moyet
Kate Bush
Paul Humphreys (Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark - I've been on a major OMD kick lately)
Worst:
Roland Gift (Fine Young Cannibals)
Tom Waits
Shane MacGowan (The Pogues)
Ozzy Osbourne
Lita Ford
Let's see your ideas...
Absolutely Vile
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Worst:
Tom Waits
Shane MacGowan (The Pogues)
Absolutely Vile
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Ouch!
OK you're right, the quality of their voices wouldn't rate them as fine singers, but, I'd say that they were two of the best in their style of singing. I was just listening to Waits yesterday, "Nighthawks at the Diner" was my introduction to Tom and still my favorite.
Ah but I digress. This one will take some thought so I'll have to get back to it tomorrow.
A demain...
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
O.k Vile. I think you might have an idea who my favourite singers are.
Best
Rick Astley
Midge Ure (Ultravox)
Simon Le Bon (Duran Duran)
Peter Cetera (Chicago)
Thomas Dolby
Worst
The Proclaimers (I love a few of their hits)
Feargal Sharkey (I do love 'A good heart' though)
Roland Gift (As much I don't like to admit it, he can be unintelligable - I love 'She drives me crazy' however)
John Lydon - Johnny Rotten (Is he really classed as a singer?)
The lead singer of The Specials/Fun Boy Three
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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John Lydon - Johnny Rotten (Is he really classed as a singer?)
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I'm not sure if he can be classed as a singer, more like a screamer in my opinion. :D. I do like the Sex Pistols though, on occasion.
Rio
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Best:
Depeche Mode (New Wave) Martin L. Gore
Duran Duran (Second Greatest New Wave Band) Simon LeBon
Def Leppard (Hard Rock)) Forgot his name. :-/
Van Halen (Second Greatest Hard Rock Band) Diamond Dave
Run DMC (Hip Hop) Daryl "Run" McDaniels
Beastie Boys (Second greatest Hip Hop group) Ad Rock, Mike D., & MCA
Madonna (pop)
...too much to list...
Worst:
Hands down, Milli Vanilli. :P (The people who sang for them)
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
I LIKED
BRYAN ADAMS
COREY HART
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
PLATNIUM BLONDE
CHICAGO
THOSE ARE THE TOP FIVE BUT THERE IS SO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM
Quoting:Worst:
Hands down, Milli Vanilli.
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PLUS OZZY OSBORNE
I REALLY DIDN'T CARE FOR HEAVY METAL
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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I'm not sure if he can be classed as a singer, more like a screamer in my opinion. :D. I do like the Sex Pistols though, on occasion.
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I suppose The Sex Pistols weren't merited for their singing though. Lydon made me laugh when I heard 'Rise' in his Public Image Ltd days. His rhetoric is so over-the-top it makes me chortle (that is unless I haven't fully understood the song). Oddly enough, I do like it though.
"I could be black I could be white
I could be right I could be wrong . . ." Ad Nauseum.
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
I'm talking about vocal quality here, nothing else...
Best
Steve Perry (Journey)
Bono (U2)
Daryl Hall (Hall & Oates)
Bryan Ferry (Roxy Music)
Paul Young
Boy George (Culture Club)
Worst
Kenny Rogers
Don Johnson
Roland Gift (FYC)
Dee Snider (Twisted Sister)
Kevin DuBrow (Quiet Riot)
James Hetfield (Metallica)
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Favorite pop singers:
Morrissey (with and without The Smiths)
Midge Ure/Ultravox
Richard Butler/Psychedelic Furs
Kate Bush
Frank Tovey/Fad Gadget
Elizabeth Frasier/Cocteau Twins
Elvis Costello
Robert Smith/The Cure
David Gahan/Depeche Mode
Glenn Gregory/Heaven 17
Shane McGowan: The Pogues
Least favorite (among artists I like)
Philip Oakey/Human League
Andy McCluskey/OMD
Simon LeBon/Duran Duran
Sting (with and without The Police)
Mark Hollis/Talk Talk
Mike Score/A Flock of Seagulls (live he's pathetic!)
Ivan what's-his-name/Men Without Hats
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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I suppose The Sex Pistols weren't merited for their singing though. Lydon made me laugh when I heard 'Rise' in his Public Image Ltd days. His rhetoric is so over-the-top it makes me chortle (that is unless I haven't fully understood the song). Oddly enough, I do like it though.End Quote
"Rise" is the only PiL song I like, although my husband insists on torturing me with "This Is Not A Love Song." Ick. Johnny Lydon has never professed to be a singer, but he is a brilliant man.
Quoting:"I could be black I could be white
I could be right I could be wrong . . ." Ad Nauseum.
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Actually, it's "Anger is an energy" ad nauseum. :D
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
My FAVE...Steve Perry, plus I agree with all the others listed here ! Geez, can you tell I'm a Journey fan ?
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My FAVE...Steve Perry, plus I agree with all the others listed here ! Geez, can you tell I'm a Journey fan ?
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Journey rocked! Steve Perry has the most amazing voice ever! They just aren't the same without him!
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Huey Lewis: good or bad?
He was never my style, but I thought his voice was perfect for his songs.
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Huey Lewis: good or bad?
He was never my style, but I thought his voice was perfect for his songs.
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I never liked Huey Lewis and the News...but that aside, and in keeping with the topic, Huey just does not have a good voice! I really don't think he can sing, not that you really need a great voice to sing the songs they did. So I suppose I agree that his voice was good for his songs, but judging from vocal ability alone, he has no talent whatsoever.
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Just to clarify things...I'm not looking for your favourite or least favourite singers. I'm looking for an opinion of who you think has the best and worst voice based on vocal ability alone. Nothing to do with the music or the band they're in.
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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"Rise" is the only PiL song I like, although my husband insists on torturing me with "This Is Not A Love Song." Ick. Johnny Lydon has never professed to be a singer, but he is a brilliant man.
Actually, it's "Anger is an energy" ad nauseum. :D
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Rise has a nice chord structure but 'This is not a love song' is absolute rubbish!
Oh yeah I put my Ad Nauseum on the wrong bit. Maybe I've put an hot-wire to my head. ;D
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Quoting:Just to clarify things...I'm not looking for your favourite or least favourite singers. I'm looking for an opinion of who you think has the best and worst voice based on vocal ability alone. Nothing to do with the music or the band they're in.
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Oh, then how could I forget? Boy George, of course!
Then again, it's not as much fun to critique on talent alone. I'd have to admit that George Michael is a great vocalist, even though he annoys me to end. Madonna has a beautiful voice based on sound alone. Sinead O'Connor is gifted with a great vocal range. I still think of Sinead as '80s because she stole my heart when "The Lion and The Cobra" came out. Then she turned out to be an obnoxious primadonna (not a pre-Madonna!)
Whitney Houston has a nice voice for pop songs, but her vocal method is waaaay overrated. That happens a lot in pop music, look at Aaron Neville, sheesh, he's terrible.
I love Shane McGowan as an all around character, but he can't carry a tune in a bucket. Being sh*tfaced drunk on stage doesn't help!
Tom Waits (not exclusively '80s) has a coarse voice, but a tuneful one with good range.
I was just listening to The Call. Michael Been's voice is great, in a campy sort of way. He's somewhere between Elvis and Tom Jones. So many others, but I'll curtail for brevity's sake.
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Rise has a nice chord structure but 'This is not a love song' is absolute rubbish!
Oh yeah I put my Ad Nauseum on the wrong bit. Maybe I've put an hot-wire to my head. ;D
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I like a lot of PIL songs, "Rise" and "This is not a love song" included. John Lydon distinguished himself from the rest of the 'Pistols with this show of unique talent. I mean, he's still a w*nker of a man, but a creative w*nker at that! Jah Wobble has done tons of interesting work in and out of PIL. I love the sheer dubbiness of "Second Edition." "Flowers of Romance" is excellent, too.
"Warrior" is a great song. I liked to think how much Sex Pistols punk purist must have hated it, big synths and all! "Seattle" was another really catchy pop song, too catchy actually, as it got played to death!
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I mean, he's still a w*nker of a man, but a creative w*nker at that! Jah Wobble has done tons of interesting work in and out of PIL. I love the sheer dubbiness of "Second Edition." "Flowers of Romance" is excellent, too.
"Warrior" is a great song. I liked to think how much Sex Pistols punk purist must have hated it, big synths and all! "Seattle" was another really catchy pop song, too catchy actually, as it got played to death!
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I think I will have a listen to those tracks. Have you heard their 1990 hit 'Don't ask me'. I think it was commentary on the environment.
I always had a problem with PIL's lyrics. For me, they never seemed to scan or say too much (especially Rise - 'what was it all about' to quote his 1990 hit).
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Tsk tsk tsk. If we're talking actual ability, the whole shabang, I can't believe 1 would overlook the obvious. (I can't think of every1; I'd have to go thru the hit lists to drum up at least 5)
Whitney Houston
Lionel Richie
That girl on the Jets
Donna Summer would qualify since she did have a couple hits in the '80s; another *actual* singer
I can't call them worst but definitely overrated:
Steve Perry (I like him)
Bryan Adams :P
Guys like this really only have going for them the fact that they can hit the notes - they're not tone-deaf. But seriously, they sound like they have strep throat (esp. Adams). That's not vocal quality!
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
best
Michael Stipe
Martin Gore
Mike Score (never heard him live, but he sounds great on record)
Pete Byrne
Susanna Hoffs
worst
Simon LeBon is the only one that comes to mind..
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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I always had a problem with PIL's lyrics. For me, they never seemed to scan or say too much (especially Rise - 'what was it all about' to quote his 1990 hit).
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Well, he's no Dylan, but his lyrics certainly pulse with a merry rage! What was "Rise" all about? Your guess is as good as mine.
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Tsk tsk tsk. If we're talking actual ability, the whole shabang, I can't believe 1 would overlook the obvious. (I can't think of every1; I'd have to go thru the hit lists to drum up at least 5)
Whitney Houston
Lionel Richie
That girl on the Jets
Donna Summer would qualify since she did have a couple hits in the '80s; another *actual* singer
I can't call them worst but definitely overrated:
Steve Perry (I like him)
Bryan Adams :P
Guys like this really only have going for them the fact that they can hit the notes - they're not tone-deaf. But seriously, they sound like they have strep throat (esp. Adams). That's not vocal quality!
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Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. But, how could you say that Steve Perry is overrated? He has outstanding range and can sing any style (rocker or ballad) with ease. He has amazing clarity and range.
I guess it's kind of hard to agree with you since you said that Donna Summer (all throat) and Lionel Richie (all nasal) were good vocalists. Neither of those 2 are in Steve Perry's league.
But, this is all a matter of opinion, and that's mine! :)
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
The worst Steve Depressing Perry. Huey New Drug Lewis. Stung I mean Sting. Michael Old Mc Donald. FYC Singer I like Freddy Mercury. Singer of Bronski Beat. Llyod Cole. Robert Plant. Iggy Pop. Stan Ridgeway. Singer of the Stranglers. Female singers Lena Luvich. Voice of The Bee Hive singer. Kate Pearson. Gwen Stefani (O.C. Rules)
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Well, he's no Dylan, but his lyrics certainly pulse with a merry rage! What was "Rise" all about? Your guess is as good as mine.
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Yeah he seems to enjoy his singing which is something. I'm so glad I'm not the only one that hasn't got a clue what 'Rise' is about - I think I can listen to it with content now. :)
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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The worst Steve Depressing Perry. Huey New Drug Lewis. Stung I mean Sting. Michael Old Mc Donald. FYC Singer I like Freddy Mercury. Singer of Bronski Beat. Llyod Cole. Robert Plant. Iggy Pop. Stan Ridgeway. Singer of the Stranglers. Female singers Lena Luvich. Voice of The Bee Hive singer. Kate Pearson. Gwen Stefani (O.C. Rules)
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Stan Ridgeway - "Wooa oh Camouflage! Things are never quite the way they seem". Did he do more than that one song?
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. But, how could you say that Steve Perry is overrated? He has outstanding range and can sing any style (rocker or ballad) with ease. He has amazing clarity and range.
I guess it's kind of hard to agree with you since you said that Donna Summer (all throat) and Lionel Richie (all nasal) were good vocalists. Neither of those 2 are in Steve Perry's league.
But, this is all a matter of opinion, and that's mine! :)
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Of course it's my opinion and yours is yours, that's a given (sorry, I just get tired of all that apologetic "opinion" thing on every Internet forum - we should all know that, it's intuitively obvious, and don't have to say so :)).
Big surprise - I'm in the minority on this board! As always. ::)
OTOH, this said best singers, and to me that means period, the whole deal. If I can think of people who cover *every* aspect of singing well in the '80s (in this case), I'll list *them* as best singers. Not the 1s who cover some.
Perry has a voice that sounds like sandpaper. He can hit the notes and hold them, but it's raspy.
I mite yield that Richie can be a bit nasally. But I won't yield on Queen Donna. That girl can *actually sing* - the whole deal: range, endurance, *clear* smooth timbre. She had enough plain experience that was almost as good as training, to boot. Not to mention Whitney Houston.
(Most of these rocker dudes just pick up a guitar 1 day and decide they want to be rock stars cuz it would be way cool. No1 judges their vocal ability as much as whether the guitars sound hot; rock is much more about guitars than it is voices.)
Put it this way - no way in hell Steve Perry has a chance at an opera rehearsal. :D That's ~full~ singing quality. (BTW, music style has nothing to do w/vocal quality.) The others are much closer to that option.
So you're rite, Donna and even Lionel are not in Perry's league - they're major while he's AAA. ;) (And that's JMHO...)
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Stan Ridgeway - "Wooa oh Camouflage! Things are never quite the way they seem". Did he do more than that one song?
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Stan Ridgeway was the original singer for Wall of Voodoo. That's him you hear on "Mexican Radio." I loved "Camouflage." Ridgeway did some interesting songs solo, but the Wall of Voodoo album "Dark Continent" (1981)was his finest hour. "Mexican Radio" is also a gem. His voice is like a cross between Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo, and Michael Stipe of REM. If I didn't like the music, I'd find it totally annoying.
I like Mark Mothersbaugh's voice for the for its role in the anti-aesthetic of Devo.
Michael Stipe's voice, his whole presence, makes me CRINGE! I know people love REM, so I'll spare my remarks.
BTW, the post-Stan Ridgeway Wall of Voodoo song "The Far Side of Crazy" is an '80s favorite of mine.
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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The worst Steve Depressing Perry. Huey New Drug Lewis. Stung I mean Sting. Michael Old Mc Donald. FYC Singer I like Freddy Mercury. Singer of Bronski Beat. Llyod Cole. Robert Plant. Iggy Pop. Stan Ridgeway. Singer of the Stranglers. Female singers Lena Luvich. Voice of The Bee Hive singer. Kate Pearson. Gwen Stefani (O.C. Rules)
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Stan Ridgeway? You're kidding, right? Lena Lovich? Still kidding, right? ???
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Put it this way - no way in hell Steve Perry has a chance at an opera rehearsal. :D That's ~full~ singing quality. (BTW, music style has nothing to do w/vocal quality.) The others are much closer to that option.
So you're rite, Donna and even Lionel are not in Perry's league - they're major while he's AAA. ;) (And that's JMHO...)
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Of course Steve Perry doesn't have a chance at an opera rehearsal. He's a blue-eyed soulful rock and roll singer. Paviarottti couldn't sing "Stone In Love" so what's your point?
Saying Donna and Lionel are better vocalists than Steve Perry is totally asinine! You need to listen to what he has done in his career. Both solo and with Journey - simply remarkable! You keep listening to your tired old disco singers and I'll keep listening to Steve Perry who not only has an AWESOME voice but sings with soul and passion, not a bunch of repetitive crap put together by some producer to sell records! ;)
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Stan Ridgeway was the original singer for Wall of Voodoo. That's him you hear on "Mexican Radio." I loved "Camouflage." Ridgeway did some interesting songs solo, but the Wall of Voodoo album "Dark Continent" (1981)was his finest hour. "Mexican Radio" is also a gem. His voice is like a cross between Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo, and Michael Stipe of REM. If I didn't like the music, I'd find it totally annoying.
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Oddly enough, I downloaded 'Mexican Radio' a few weeks back. I might do that again to make the connection. Thanks Max. :)
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Of course Steve Perry doesn't have a chance at an opera rehearsal. He's a blue-eyed soulful rock and roll singer. Paviarottti couldn't sing "Stone In Love" so what's your point?
Saying Donna and Lionel are better vocalists than Steve Perry is totally asinine! You need to listen to what he has done in his career. Both solo and with Journey - simply remarkable! You keep listening to your tired old disco singers and I'll keep listening to Steve Perry who not only has an AWESOME voice but sings with soul and passion, not a bunch of repetitive crap put together by some producer to sell records! ;)
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Let me preface this by saying, I understand if people like something and they want to defend it no matter what. I really don't want this to be a fight, just a discussion - that gets a bit spirited at times!
The point, again, is that opera (for ex) requires the ENTIRE vocal ability, and that's what we're talking about. Again, Steve Perry sounds like he has strep throat. That is not full vocal ability. I don't care range, hitting notes, endurance, if he doesn't have that *other* quality to boot, it's *not* >complete< quality vocal.
And again, it is immaterial who wrote the songs or what type they are; the question is VOCAL ABILITY in pop music in the '80s. I will fight tooth and nail against saying Steve Perry or any1 else w/a raspy voice (Adams aaaaaaaa) has the BEST vocal talent of the decade.
And again, if you read my post, you'd see that I like Steve Perry. It has nothing to do w/not liking him or what he's done (unlike Bryan Adams, whom I think is overrated in *everything*). If I could think of any1 I *don't* like and put them on the Best list, I would. But I can't think of every1. I'm not much into the acts as much as the songs. Takes about 4 songs before I'll know an act, anyway!
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I'm sure you all have NO idea who my first choice for best would be!! ;D
However I'd also like to add:
Michael Hutchence (RIP) :'( :'(
Elton John
Martin Gore
Neil Tennant
Worst would have to be:
Bruce Springsting (sp?)
Huey Lewis
Bob Dylan
Tom Petty
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Quoting:
best
Michael Stipe
Martin Gore
Mike Score (never heard him live, but he sounds great on record)
Pete Byrne
Susanna Hoffs
worst
Simon LeBon is the only one that comes to mind..
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:o What? Simon is a great singer.
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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Let me preface this by saying, I understand if people like something and they want to defend it no matter what. I really don't want this to be a fight, just a discussion - that gets a bit spirited at times!
The point, again, is that opera (for ex) requires the ENTIRE vocal ability, and that's what we're talking about. Again, Steve Perry sounds like he has strep throat. That is not full vocal ability. I don't care range, hitting notes, endurance, if he doesn't have that *other* quality to boot, it's *not* >complete< quality vocal.
And again, it is immaterial who wrote the songs or what type they are; the question is VOCAL ABILITY in pop music in the '80s. I will fight tooth and nail against saying Steve Perry or any1 else w/a raspy voice (Adams aaaaaaaa) has the BEST vocal talent of the decade.
And again, if you read my post, you'd see that I like Steve Perry. It has nothing to do w/not liking him or what he's done (unlike Bryan Adams, whom I think is overrated in *everything*). If I could think of any1 I *don't* like and put them on the Best list, I would. But I can't think of every1. I'm not much into the acts as much as the songs. Takes about 4 songs before I'll know an act, anyway!
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Nothing mean-spirited here! :D I just disagree with you saying that Steve Perry doesn't have a good voice. He may not have the technique and training of an opera singer, but his voice simply sounds awesome! I don't think he sounds like he has strep ??? He just comes and sings his heart out! I do agree with you about Bryan Adams however. I like his music, but like Mick Jagger and John Mellencamp, they don't have the best singing voice, but their music is outstanding. Back to Steve Perry, you might not like his voice so much, but to me, he is the pinnacle of rock singers! ;D
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I'
Worst would have to be:
Bruce Springsting (sp?)
Huey Lewis
Bob Dylan
Tom Petty
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Oh, you mean Springsteen. I love Springsteen, not in a Jersey "Bruuuuuce!" sort of way, it's more an appreciation of his POPULISM. Since the right wing doesn't understand irony, they seized upon "Born in the USA" as a nationalist anthem. They couldn't be more wrong. Patriotic, yes. Nationalist, no. There's a difference. Anyway, my favorite Springsteen records are "Nebraska," and "The Ghost of Tom Joad."
I know people who just hate Bruce. I don't begrudge them for it, he's not for everybody.
The name Springsteen sounds Dutch, but I think he's more Italian.
The Dylan records I like are all his folk-rock albums from the '60s. I couldn't heap enough praise on him as a lyricist and a tunesmith. His voice? Well, that's an aquired taste!
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Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No more Steve Perry!!!! ;D
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Best:
Depeche Mode (New Wave) Martin L. Gore
Duran Duran (Second Greatest New Wave Band) Simon LeBon
Def Leppard (Hard Rock)) Forgot his name. :-/
Van Halen (Second Greatest Hard Rock Band) Diamond Dave
Run DMC (Hip Hop) Daryl "Run" McDaniels
Beastie Boys (Second greatest Hip Hop group) Ad Rock, Mike D., & MCA
Madonna (pop)
...too much to list...
Worst:
Hands down, Milli Vanilli. :P (The people who sang for them)
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Joe Elliot-Def Leppard ;)
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Best Female Vocalists: Annie Lenox (Eurythmics) and Kate Bush (read somewhere she's got an 8 octave range!)
Best male vocalists: Prince and (undisputably) Freddy Mercury!
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Peter Murphy Love that guy's voice.
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Singers like David Gahan (Depeche Mode) and Philip Oakey (Human League) helped define the early 80's New Wave vocal sound. Sort of that low, monotone sound that was so prominent in a lot of good New Wave songs. :)
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Good:
Nik Kershaw is/was great.
Lawrence Gowan
Stan Meissner Both from Canada eh?
Bad
Howard Jones, his voice cracks. But I love his stuff. He's such a great song writer (And I prefer music by the original artist).
Ok I take Howard back. I have been watching his vids from his site. His voice may crack sometimes. But these are good.
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
Ric Ocasek isn't that great of a singer. He "hiccups" too much with his vocals.
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Ric Ocasek isn't that great of a singer. He "hiccups" too much with his vocals.
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The Cars are one of my all-time favorites, but I agree with you. If you take Ric Ocasek and put him with any other band, it would probably sound pretty dreadful. But the combination of their music, his voice, and their background vocals are a good formula. They just sound so cool!
Subject: Re: Worst and best SINGERS of the 80's
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The Cars are one of my all-time favorites, but I agree with you. If you take Ric Ocasek and put him with any other band, it would probably sound pretty dreadful. But the combination of their music, his voice, and their background vocals are a good formula. They just sound so cool!
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But that's just an affect. I think the intent of most of the Cars songs is to be bouncy and fun, pretty non-serious. He puts a little Broadway bravada in there, if you will (not the same way, just something that shows/sounds his boisterous enthusiasm?).
If you listen to the ballad "Drive", he doesn't do hiccuping. So it's not something I think as a defect, just that the hiccup is his way of showing fun. :)
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If you listen to the ballad "Drive", he doesn't do hiccuping. So it's not something I think as a defect, just that the hiccup is his way of showing fun. :)
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Ric Ocasek actually doesn't sing the song "Drive." It's Benjamin Orr, their keyboardist(?). So that would probably explain why there's no hiccupping in the song. :D I know what you mean though. "Magic" is one of the best examples I can think of for Ric's hiccupping vocals.
Absolutely Vile
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Ric Ocasek actually doesn't sing the song "Drive." It's Benjamin Orr, their keyboardist(?). So that would probably explain why there's no hiccupping in the song. :D I know what you mean though. "Magic" is one of the best examples I can think of for Ric's hiccupping vocals.
Absolutely Vile
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The late Benjamin Orr was actually the bass player for The Cars. He also sang on their hits "Let's Go", "Just What I Needed", "Bye Bye Love", and "Moving In Stereo" which was the song used in Judge Reinhold's memorable personal love scene from "Fast Times At Ridgemont High." ;D
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Ben Orr sang "Let's Go" and "Moving in Stereo"???????
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Ben Orr sang "Let's Go" and "Moving in Stereo"???????
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He also sang "Drive"
Glad I can modify my entries............. I see that was already stated here. My bad.
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I'll tell you who gets my vote for one of the WORST:
Christopher Cross
His whining countertenor and mush-mouthed lyrics were vomit-inducing!!
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these faves are mostly alternative and some heavy metal singers:
IAN ASTBURY of THE CULT. I just think he's an amazing singer and frontman!!
Iron Maiden's BRUCE DICKINSON! The title track from their"Number Of The Beast"CD is one reason why.
MICHAEL HUTCHENCE(RIP)of INXS
Pat Benatar. Lita Ford is a Benatar wannabe.
Deb Iyall of Romeo Void
JOE ELLIOTT of DEF LEPPARD
and the ones that make me cringe:
CRONOS of the band VENOM!!The guy sounds like he crawled outta some dungeon and gargled shards of glass!
LEMMY KILMISTER of MOTORHEAD! He sounds every bit as ugly as he looks!
all five New Kids on The Block-just thinking of those no-talent prepubescent teenybopper idols makes me NAUSEOUS!!
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Best singers
David Gahan-Depeche Mode
Morrisey-Smiths
Andy Bell-Erasure
Robert Smith-Cure
Bernard Sumner-New Order
Allison Moyet-Yaz
Worst singers
Milli Vanilli
Al Jorgenson-Ministry
Karen Finley
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Best singers
David Gahan-Depeche Mode
Morrisey-Smiths
Andy Bell-Erasure
Robert Smith-Cure
Bernard Sumner-New Order
Allison Moyet-Yaz
Worst singers
Milli Vanilli
Al Jorgenson-Ministry
Karen Finley
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I agree whole heartedly with your best, now as to your worst...
With Milli Vanilli, are you referring to the fact that they didn't sing at all in the '80s, or to what happened in the early '90s when they TRIED to sing? LOL! Which one offed himself, Milli or Vanilli?
I have a longstanding grudge agains Al Jourgensen for being a total sh*t of a man, and hijacking the term "industrial music" for his own idiotic noisemaking. However, when he was doing synth-pop, I found his voice (phony British accent and all) to fit the purpose. On 'Twitch,' and subsequent work, he used so much distortion, it's hard to call it his own voice. It's like saying Ogre from Skinny Puppy was a bad singer. Ogre was, actually. If you ever heard the final 'Puppy studio album, "The Process," on which they used no distortion, Ogre doesn't 'sing," so much as he talks in monotone!
Anyway, I have to credit 'Twitch' with getting me interested in "industrial music" in the first place. 'Twitch,' however is more of an Adrian Sherwood record than a Ministry record. Ministry just released 'Twitched,' which features unreleased versions and remixes from that time. I might buy that one, but I'd like to hear more about it first.
Karen Finley, an overrated and misanthropic performance artist, is less known for singing than the "canned yam jam." Don't ask, I won't tell! :-X
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I grappled with the idea of putting David Gahan on my "best" list, since I am such a huge Depeche Mode fan. But instead I chose Martin Gore. While Dave did have a great voice in the 80's, Martin (in my opinion) has always had the better voice in Depeche Mode. Sweet, melodic, angelic...a voice that could make you melt. :)
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Ah, another soft spot. Dear Morrissey. :) Great choice. He is a God. :)
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I've often wondered if Andy Bell was Vince Clarke's male replacement for Alison Moyet since their voices are so similar. I love both. Andy Bell is great with Erasure, and Alison Moyet has always been great, both with Yazoo and as a solo artist. She's one of my favourite female singers, along with Kate Bush.
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Best singers? Really? Well, it's all a matter of opinion, I guess. :) While I love both The Cure and New Order, the voices of their respective singers are nothing really special. Certainly not in comparison to Alison, Kate, Martin...and even David! :) Bernard (Albrecht) Sumner is too monotone for me. There's no real emotion there. And Robert Smith...I love The Cure a lot, but Robert's voice can be rather whiny. Not really great quality vocals there, but the songs definitely make up for it.
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I will have to agree with the fact that Robert Smith and Bernard Sumner are not in the same category as the others. Depeche Mode is also my favorite group. I have seen them on every tour starting with Music For The Masses. I believe that was a pivotal album for them and a classic. I saw them on the last tour for Exciter in Dallas and it was a great show. It brought back the memories of when they ruled the world. I saw an interview with David Gahan on MTV2 several months ago. It seems that there is trouble in paradise between him and Martin Gore. Im glad I had a chance to see them touring for Exciter album, might be the last time. 8)
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Ok Vile.
I'm gonna sound really ignorant and even kinda dumb for typing this, but its only because I haven't really paid any attention, I just enjoy all of the music no matter who sings the songs.
First, don't beat me up, but I really didn't know for sure that Martin Gore sang in DM :-[ :-[ :-[. I could tell that there were two different voices but I didn't know who was who. I've learned my lesson now. :)
Second, What are the songs that Martin sings? I need to know because some songs, I won't mention which ones here, really, well, you know. They get to me in a good way. A really, really, really, really good way. ;)
I'm just wondering if its Martins voice because if it is, it has a profound effect on me. If so, I think it needs to be mentioned that no other voice has ever really done what his has done to my, mood. I say this now because of the way you described his voice. I know that David Gahan's voice is a little bit more sharper, if thats the way I could describe it. Well, let me know.
Sorry for being so naive! I should do my homework sometime, ya think? ;D ;)
Rio
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I think I may be the only that actually LIKES Huey Lewis and the news. Actually they are my favorite Band, but I DO admit that Huey's voice is that kinda raspy type voice. (Reminds me of Kelly osbourne. I enjoyed her papa dont preach because her voice was kinda perfect for the way she sang it, but other than that I cant say whether or not she has talent)I noticed that on Duets, when you do the special features that show him and Gwennie Paltrow practicing the song he sounds reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad..although I have seen him live and he sounds great. I suppose a band to back you up helps though hehe.
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Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No more Steve Perry!!!! ;D
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Why not??
I missed this I guess. I of course am a HUGE Steve fan...but I can say that there are others that were good in the 80's
I liked Huey Lewis...when he was with the band.
Lionel Richie...just because I did
Hall and Oates...saw them in concert and they were awsome
I don't like heavy metal..so take your pick, that what I classify as worst.
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First, don't beat me up, but I really didn't know for sure that Martin Gore sang in DM :-are somewhat similar, except Martin's is much smoother, more angelic, with a higher range. He's usually done Depeche Mode's ballads. Very rarely will Martin have sung a faster DM song (the only exception I can think of being their cover of "Route 66," but Dave sang it live.)
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I know what you mean. His voice has the same effect on me as well. :) OK, here's an album-by-album list of the songs that Martin does lead vocal:
Speak & Spell (1981)
Any Second Now (Voices)
A Broken Frame (1982)
(He doesn't do any lead vocals on this one)
Construction Time Again (1983)
Pipeline
Some Great Reward (1984)
It Doesn't Matter
Somebody
Black Celebration (1986)
A Question Of Lust
Black Day (B-side to Stripped)
It Doesn't Matter Two
Sometimes
World Full Of Nothing
Music For The Masses (1987)
I Want You Now
Route 66 (B-side to Behind The Wheel)
The Things You Said
Violator (1990)
Blue Dress
Sweetest Perfection
Enjoy The Silence (Harmonium) (demo version)
Death's Door (on the soundtrack to Until The End Of The World (1991))
Songs Of Faith And Devotion (1993)
Judas
One Caress
Ultra (1997)
Home
The Bottom Line
Exciter (2001)
Breathe
Comatose
Martin has also released two solo records, an EP called Counterfeit (1989) and Counterfeit² (2003). He also contributed a song ("Coming Back To You") on a Leonard Cohen tribute album called Tower Of Song: The Songs Of Leonard Cohen.
Hope this all helps! ;D
Absolutely Vile-Gore
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David's and Martin's voices are somewhat similar, except Martin's is much smoother, more angelic, with a higher range. He's usually done Depeche Mode's ballads. Very rarely will Martin have sung a faster DM song (the only exception I can think of being their cover of "Route 66," but Dave sang it live.)
I know what you mean. His voice has the same effect on me as well. :) OK, here's an album-by-album list of the songs that Martin does lead vocal:
Speak & Spell (1981)
Any Second Now (Voices)
A Broken Frame (1982)
(He doesn't do any lead vocals on this one)
Construction Time Again (1983)
Pipeline
Some Great Reward (1984)
It Doesn't Matter
Somebody
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The 1984 concert video on which he comes out and sings "Somebody" is embarrassing! He sounds petrified, I think he had stage fright or something!
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Martin has also released two solo records, an EP called Counterfeit (1989) and Counterfeit² (2003). He also contributed a song ("Coming Back To You") on a Leonard Cohen tribute album called Tower Of Song: The Songs Of Leonard Cohen.
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Is Countefeit-2 available retail?, or will I have to order it online?
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You should be able to find it in record stores. I bought my copy in one. But then, I got it when it was first released. I'm noticing now that fewer and fewer shops here have it on the shelves. Some major ones might though. Have a look locally before you order online. You won't regret it! :D
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Kevin DuBrow of Quiet Riot was godawful!
But how can some people think James Hetfield stinks? His voice IMO is perfect for the loud n' thrashy songs Metallica performs! And James is actually a DECENT singer(check out "Nothing Else Matters" and "Fade To Black"!) Another godawful singer is Graham Bonnett(Rainbow and Michael Schenker Group)he is just plain annoying!
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The 1984 concert video on which he comes out and sings "Somebody" is embarrassing! He sounds petrified, I think he had stage fright or something!End Quote
Which video was this? The World We Live In And Live In Hamburg? I still need to see that! Anyway...Martin prorbably did have stage fright. Maybe he didn't have enough to drink. :) (Apparently, for several years Martin would play live with DM fuelled on alcohol. The Exciter tour (or the Singles tour) was his first one sober.) He looked very uncomfortable on stage when it was his turn to sing, but I think he's gotten better with the few shows he did solo for Counterfeit².
Absolutely Vile
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David's and Martin's voices are somewhat similar, except Martin's is much smoother, more angelic, with a higher range. He's usually done Depeche Mode's ballads. Very rarely will Martin have sung a faster DM song (the only exception I can think of being their cover of "Route 66," but Dave sang it live.)
I know what you mean. His voice has the same effect on me as well. :) OK, here's an album-by-album list of the songs that Martin does lead vocal:
Speak & Spell (1981)
Any Second Now (Voices)
A Broken Frame (1982)
(He doesn't do any lead vocals on this one)
Construction Time Again (1983)
Pipeline
Some Great Reward (1984)
It Doesn't Matter
Somebody
Black Celebration (1986)
A Question Of Lust
Black Day (B-side to Stripped)
It Doesn't Matter Two
Sometimes
World Full Of Nothing
Music For The Masses (1987)
I Want You Now
Route 66 (B-side to Behind The Wheel)
The Things You Said
Violator (1990)
Blue Dress
Sweetest Perfection
Enjoy The Silence (Harmonium) (demo version)
Death's Door (on the soundtrack to Until The End Of The World (1991))
Songs Of Faith And Devotion (1993)
Judas
One Caress
Ultra (1997)
Home
The Bottom Line
Exciter (2001)
Breathe
Comatose
Martin has also released two solo records, an EP called Counterfeit (1989) and Counterfeit² (2003). He also contributed a song ("Coming Back To You") on a Leonard Cohen tribute album called Tower Of Song: The Songs Of Leonard Cohen.
Hope this all helps! ;D
Absolutely Vile-Gore
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Yeah, it helps me out alot! Thank you so much! I was right about the songs I figured he sang too!
Rio
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Which video was this? The World We Live In And Live In Hamburg? I still need to see that! Anyway...Martin prorbably did have stage fright. Maybe he didn't have enough to drink. :) (Apparently, for several years Martin would play live with DM fuelled on alcohol. The Exciter tour (or the Singles tour) was his first one sober.) He looked very uncomfortable on stage when it was his turn to sing, but I think he's gotten better with the few shows he did solo for Counterfeit².
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YES, it was Live in Hamburg.. I learned later about Martin's drinking. He behaved badly sometimes, like the time he got arrested because he wouldn't turn down the volume in his room! A little adolescent regression there, Marty?
But it pulled him through. I haven't heard about drinking hurting him recently, though.
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He behaved badly sometimes, like the time he got arrested because he wouldn't turn down the volume in his room! A little adolescent regression there, Marty?End Quote
Here's a quote from Martin about the arrest (from www.martinleegore.com):
: "The night before I got arrested, I had a party in my room and there were about 50 people and it was really loud. The night of the arrest, it was me and a friend and the music was really quiet. They rang me and asked me to turn it down, so I did. They rang me again and asked me to turn it down, so I turned it off. Next thing I know there's complete silence and the police knocked on the door. I stupidly opened it. They burst in, threw me on the bed and handcuffed me. There was no music whatsoever playing. I think they were out to get me for the night before. I can't remember much about it. I was really drunk at the time and it seemed like fun. The next day, when I sobered up, I realized why some of the people in there weren't too happy with me. I'd just been done for disturbing the peace."
This was in 1993, so he was only a year or two older than I am now. You're never too old to party! :D
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Here's a quote from Martin about the arrest (from www.martinleegore.com):
: "The night before I got arrested, I had a party in my room and there were about 50 people and it was really loud. The night of the arrest, it was me and a friend and the music was really quiet. They rang me and asked me to turn it down, so I did. They rang me again and asked me to turn it down, so I turned it off. Next thing I know there's complete silence and the police knocked on the door. I stupidly opened it. They burst in, threw me on the bed and handcuffed me. There was no music whatsoever playing. I think they were out to get me for the night before. I can't remember much about it. I was really drunk at the time and it seemed like fun. The next day, when I sobered up, I realized why some of the people in there weren't too happy with me. I'd just been done for disturbing the peace."
This was in 1993, so he was only a year or two older than I am now. You're never too old to party! :D
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How strange. I never heard of hotel management behaving like that. I'm not saying Martin isn't telling the truth, but there's something we're missing. Sounds like they wanted to get back at him for something that transpired between the previous night and the night he was arrested.
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How strange. I never heard of hotel management behaving like that. I'm not saying Martin isn't telling the truth, but there's something we're missing. Sounds like they wanted to get back at him for something that transpired between the previous night and the night he was arrested.
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I don't know. If it happened in L.A., I'd pretty much consider it a publicity stunt for the cops. (Remember the George Michael incident?) But this was Denver, Colorado. A far cry from Hollywood, I think. :)
Maybe the hotel wanted some publicity...?
Absolutely Vile
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My Best:
Robert Smith/The Cure
Roland Orzabal/Tears For Fears
Thomas Dolby
Roland Gift/FYC
Curt Smith of Tears For Fears is okay...
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My Best:
Annie Lennox (Beautiful voice)
Freddie Mercury
Midge Ure
Michael Hutchence
Phil Oakey
Van Halen man
Axl Rose
I don't really like Elton John's or Simon LeBon's.
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I forgot Adam Ant!!!! He's in my best column of course. He has such a distinctive and sexy voice.